Not sure
#beta-ptr-spoilers
white quartz
sullen dawn
I guess comic later october
white quartz
Thats also a possibility tbh
sullen dawn
Trailer/deep dive/ptr at blizzcon
white quartz
Honestly I dont know if they would do that and the only reason I say that is because it would kinda mix with the next expac announcement. Its possible dont get me wrong but I just dont think they will do it
storm marsh
Saw the news. Hooraaay
flint meteor
ancient jasper
@zealous basalt I believe you get it when you get the actual HoA boost from upgrading it to be able to use the Essences.
zealous basalt
Ahh
ancient jasper
Also, yay 8.2.5 next week!
forest sphinx
8.2.5 out next week? Holy crap!
vernal juniper
yeah as I wrote was 24/09 or 08/10 as possible dates. they did the more logical to get more money possible with raf-
tropic trail
OMG HOW NICE
ancient jasper
Here's hoping there aren't any idiotic bugs or huge issues with the War Campaign since Blizzard decided not to test it on the PTR. >_>
storm marsh
I suppose their employees have been testing it precisely
tranquil steeple
or hopefully they've had specific players test it, without them being able to share anything about it
to preserve the story of the end to the war campaign
and not spoil it
dense plover
unlikely
almost guaranteed to be internal testing
probably excessively
i wouldnt be suprised if they tested it more than theyve tested most of the war campaign
ancient jasper
I've seen how bad some of their internal testing can be.. Here's hoping this round was extremely vigorous.
tranquil steeple
yeah, if the case is that it's exclusively internally tested.. then I hope they put in as much effort as the rest of the war campaign then doubled it for this last stretch
tropic trail
Honestly, the amount of “effort” in the new hearthstone makes me kind of scared lol.
Looks like a lazy mans job rip
lucid steeple
will the bee mount BEEable to walk on its legs or is it like the bat mount and such it just flys never lands only for the emote it dose.?
zealous basalt
Stoo
ancient jasper
Good question. Don't think we've seen it besides in previews so far
lucid steeple
yeah i figured it was something like that haha
tropic trail
Well when you press the space bar it goes on it’s legs when it can’t fly
So I’m assuming 🤔
lucid steeple
odd of blizzard to add a mount that has legs but never uses them ;l
tropic trail
I thought the bee was from the quest when you finish it and the rep grind is everything else
night swift
looks at bird mounts
lucid steeple
i heard about the quest but then again blizzard can make it whatever they want
night swift
not every mount has to walk
tropic trail
Bees don’t usually walk tbh when they do something’s wrong with them
night swift
they hover
tropic trail
From the bees I’ve seen lol
tropic trail
I just don’t want horde to get it because they have so many cool ass mounts that we can’t use
🙄
lucid steeple
you must work for Animal planet XD
tropic trail
Ally gets ONE cool mount and they hitch
Bitch *
They favor the horde so they had to be like “oh everyone can use it”
? Rip
lucid steeple
why not they made Kua'fon for horde thats why i play both sides to reap rewards from both
dense plover
pretty much every BfA horde mount can be used by ally
lucid steeple
not...well each one changes to ally but not the speical ones like horde bike you gotta buy the alli one because horde won that
night swift
except the rep/faction specific ones
lucid steeple
lucky jekrs....
ancient jasper
shrug Horde got unique Mounts foe each of their Rep Factions. Alliance got Horses.
tropic trail
Lel
dense plover
and gryphons
tropic trail
Yeah
night swift
that are way too expensive
dense plover
so are the pterrorsaurs
tropic trail
Like ally never wins the cool mount game
dense plover
why is this in ptr? because of the bee mount? cant kuafon be used by alliance?
tropic trail
I know I got 1 gryphon and I don’t even use it. Yes we were taking about the bee mount.
night swift
yeah the bee
lucid steeple
Alli didnt win the bike thing and the alli bike was awsome
horde was only won because A bigger amount of people play horde
night swift
alliance can buy the bike wtf
dense plover
^
lucid steeple
alliance have to buy there bike
night swift
horde cant
dense plover
like, do you not know that new horde players cant get the bike?
lucid steeple
100k just to get it
lucid steeple
no horde won theres so they get it free
dense plover
at least ally can buy it
night swift
dude no one can get the horde bike anymore
night swift
it was only during that time
lucid steeple
thats non sence
night swift
No
dense plover
its true
lucid steeple
new horde players cant get it
night swift
thats fair
dense plover
yeah, they cant
lucid steeple
alright i guess alince do win :3
dense plover
and again, kuafon and bee are essentially equivalent here - extended grind limited to faction but the mount can be used by both
zealous basalt
There were problems with the Horde bike because they gave it for free right?
dense plover
yes
they couldnt sell it with gold
because of the terms of the contest
and various contest laws
by giving it away for free as a limited thing, they couldnt sell it
smart thing to do would be to make a recolor and sell that
zealous basalt
I have both bikes
ancient jasper
Horde won the Bike Contest they did aaaages ago and were given it for free.
That's probably how you got it
vernal juniper
does horde will get something unique from the bee questchain?
(do I need do to rep on both sides? I play ally and I will get the mount)
vernal juniper
I had read something for horde too, let me checkk
Stormsong’s Beekeepers have discovered a new hive in town. Alliance players can work with Barry to locate the hive and court the favor of the Hivemother in order to earn the Honeyback Harvester mount—and both factions can earn several other bee-themed toys and items.
Well we will see
night swift
The mount is usable on both sides
Alliance are the only ones that can do the quest for it though
languid yoke
we will soon know!
ancient jasper
I'd say external is better just because of the sheer amount of people playing the content. You may have, at most, 100 internal players. You'll have at least 500k external testers.
And a large chunk of those 500k will be using different to vastly different machines
dense plover
its probably not 500k
its probably, at most, 100k
for like, big major patches, it MIGHT be
ancient jasper
... You think WoW is down to 100k subs? Really?
dense plover
but not for little ones
no
but PTR doesnt have the playerbase of live
it never has
it never will
theres no incentive
ancient jasper
Oooh I was talking after the Patch hits
But yeah
On PTR you are right
Yea, no, my comment seems kind of dumb now. But yea even say the 50k who do play it are probably a far better test force than the ones internally.
dense plover
well
sort of
the problem is how people report bugs
and who
we can probably waive another 50% just on not reporting bugs
that leaves us with 25k
of those 25k, maybe 10% provide a high enough number of unique bug reports to be valuable
thats 2.5k
those are the people who matter
those are the people who are functionally near or useful to blizzard
that number might be as high as 4-5k
thats probably the top if I had to guess
im basing this on the bug report emails from 8.2
This was mine
I personally found 10 undiscovered bugs, 48 total
I literally found, on my own, 1% of previously unfound bugs
dense plover
total, i found 0.24% of the total bug reports
assuming they arent counting duplicates
zealous basalt
Thing is they don't really know which beta testers are actually uncovering bugs
zealous basalt
I mean, ye
dense plover
I have been getting beta access since Warlords
during warlords I won beta on twitch, and i made a fuck ton of bug reports and gave feedback
zealous basalt
BfA was my first beta and I was focusing on those graphical glitches from
that ice area
Though it was like
dense plover
ive had beta access to both Legion and BfA through Blizz since then
zealous basalt
one week before ptr
dense plover
making good bug reports is important
the stuff I usually find includes holes in the world, or just completely busted areas
or dialogue bugs
most people dont report dialogue bugs
like where dialogue overlaps
zealous basalt
I reported some errors on the translations on how could they translate it better
dense plover
but I mention the two lines that overlap - this is extremely useful because they can look those lines up in the dialogue db and fix them
and since I explicitly refrence the specific lines, its exactly useful
zealous basalt
but other than that, that was my first beta ever
dense plover
play PTR
if you play PTR and give reports, youll get beta
although tbh, I think they prefer native english speakers
since thats the language the devs speak
zealous basalt
It's not like im going to send the report in spanish xD
dense plover
no ofc
zealous basalt
but i get what you say
dense plover
but how a native english speaker says something and how you say something might not always be the same
when they want to find a bug, the more the instructions in the report communicate, the better
but any PTR testing will help
zealous basalt
mhm
feral belfry
@dense plover odd
dense plover
odd?
feral belfry
and most the bugs got fixed lol
dense plover
only with 8.2
dense plover
ptr
feral belfry
yeah well
they need to fix the base game too lmao
I feel like Live bug reports go to a void
zealous basalt
Need to know what is a high priority bug and low priority
dense plover
holes in the world
game breaking
crashes
dialogue overlap
non-functioning stuff
zealous basalt
I reported that hole in Boralus
dense plover
good
zealous basalt
Wasz the first thing that happened when i got to boralus tbh...
was messing around and then
I got in some weird place and couldn't get out
languid yoke
Dazar'alor had so many holes for me to report too
limber mural
and some of em even made it into the game
i recall one I used once as a proof of concept that let you go from start to Opulence
meager zodiac
i cant wait for the surprise time gatting on the new war campaign
zealous basalt
ye ye
night swift
Pretty much
And then people will probably datamine the cutscene anyway
Unless its kept encrypted
night swift
Not sure
The only game that I know of that keeps cutscenes encrypted on live is call of duty
dark furnace
The raid cinematics dont get leaked do they?
Aren't they encrypted until you beat the raid?
stiff vector
Cinematics are encrypted until server sends you the key which could be upon completing a quest, after a certain time or doing whatever, really
zealous basalt
So basically, until someone gets there
stiff vector
Yeah and said someone knows how to send the key to someone that can do something with it
zealous basalt
So in short, no datamining now
stiff vector
Indeed
Or when Blizzard wants to be more annoying, only have it available temporarily so @ancient forge has to go fetch it himself
zealous basalt
that makes things interesting
stiff vector
But I wouldn't be surprised if they just end up sending the war effort story stuff key to everyone after maintenance or something considering how large of an impact it has
sullen dawn
as an EU boi, if cinematics launch with war campaign this week, tuesday is gonna be rough 😛
waited this long, ive decided to see em in game now
stiff vector
Technically speaking the cinematics are encrypted separately
So not necessarily going live the same time as the rest of the stuff but who knows what they are
sullen dawn
yeh I'm aware, just saying if they do drop on tuesday, or even if they dont, gonna be hard to avoid the war campaign spoilers
stiff vector
yeah
sullen dawn
its 1 day so i may as well wait and experience them myself, but i think i need to stay far away from disc and reddit
ionic terrace
They will kill Sylvanas but Calia will appear and say "There must always be a... Banshee Queen."
tropic trail
ionic terrace
I honestly wouldn't be surprised AT ALL
Ok, what about Magni gets to be Banshee Queen?
😛
tropic trail
zealous basalt
The king of diamonds have become a queen
sullen dawn
Yasss queen
dark furnace
Banshee Drag Queen
tropic trail
I mean it’s 100k to get to 70 neck so some of the story won’t be there for a lot of people lol
I honestly don’t see how they can timegate the war campaign now got exalted with everything lol... and no new raids so
inland anchor
dense plover
i dont see them doing that
firstly because this isnt a major patch
so its probably not that long of a questline
secondly, because theres no need
the point of timegating is to hold people over for some of the later content
thats not a thing with a minor patch
its POSSIBLE it could be gated to finish right before blizzcon
but thats the worst case scenario
dense plover
yes
sullen dawn
Yeh and the nazjatar rank 3 thing
Guess they want people up to date with war campaign
uncut vault
I mean, you say that peach
but they added a day of timegating to the baine story in 8.1.5 😛
we'll probably see something like that again
its what theyve done the last two patches
zealous basalt
Rekt
dense plover
im just saying it wont be major
terse patrol
green laurel
@dense plover there have been concept maps in the past that look exactly like the shadowlands pic format
your claim that it looks nothing like concept maps is unfounded
from a presentation at blizzcon for MoP
also your claim that concept maps do not get as detailed as the shadowlands map is also not true
zealous basalt
Tf is this now
green laurel
those are just concept maps of mists of pandaria
green laurel
shown at blizzcon
zealous basalt
What are you doing
green laurel
I'm responding to what mrpeach said awhile ago arguing with baseless claims about the leak
zealous basalt
Why would you want to Revive such topic now That we know war campaign is ending very soon
green laurel
i'm sorry I dont understand the relevance
do you understand what i'm talking about here or
zealous basalt
In short, we ain't caring about this and I don't think peach either
night swift
green laurel
why dont you care about this now and what does that have to do with the war campaign
zealous basalt
I don't care because we went over this a long ago
night swift
That convo had to do with the war campaign
That was 3 hours ago
Also why bring up the maps??
green laurel
just cause I was looking up in chat and saw their convo and peach was acting as though we can 100% unconfirm the leak
and made some like downright not true bad takes in an attempt to defend that position
night swift
When the hell was that mentioned????
green laurel
this isnt a forum this is a discord chatroom
zealous basalt
When we were discussing about how stupid the leak was
green laurel
lol makore seems to also be weirdly defensive on the position that the leak is fake
green laurel
I mean no honeslty I havent noticed that anyone other than you 2 think that
night swift
Which leak we talking about
zealous basalt
Shadowlands
night swift
Oh
tranquil steeple
majority of people that are active here
night swift
D o u b t
tranquil steeple
were opposing of the shadowlands leak
zealous basalt
Ye
green laurel
I have yet to a credible reason for why though
night swift
Is there a credible reason to prove it?
zealous basalt
Someone literally game a shit ton of reasons of why it was a fake on a certain point
green laurel
It lines up with almost every single plot point there is
the wrathion sub plot
sylvanas's motives
zealous basalt
Because those are things we already knlw
night swift
It wide speculation at best
zealous basalt
That's why you cna hook people with leaks
Put things that you can see in game and try to make reasons and try to tie em up
green laurel
okay but you cannot make the claim that you know it's false
zealous basalt
But I can make claims it's stupid and a waste of time
night swift
^
green laurel
it's not like this is some religion where if you do choose to leave it open for possibility that you're needing to actively abide by it
tranquil steeple
I'mma be real and say
night swift
Maybe we should see whats actually about to come out first before we jump head like 3 or 4 patches
tranquil steeple
everything about the shadowlands leak is too detailed to be legit, imo
zealous basalt
^^
night swift
8.2.5 could kill the rumor with like a single line
tranquil steeple
and blizz would've likely hammered down all the info about it
green laurel
lol theres no precedence for that whatsoever for that to be a credible proof that its fake
tranquil steeple
to keep it as something they'd reveal at blizzcon
and have you seen an expansion leak actually be
night swift
Theres also no fucking proof its real
tranquil steeple
accurate?
zealous basalt
8.2.5 killed that leak already johck
green laurel
you're just stating facts about the leak and saying those are the reasons its fake without drawing the line between why those facts = your conclusion
night swift
If it ain’t from blizzard themselves its not true
zealous basalt
By ending the war campaign it kills any "Tie into next expax"
green laurel
lol what in what way does that = that
@night swift lol now you're just being willingly ignorant
tranquil steeple
but... it's true.
night swift
Wheres Emu’s jojo reactions when I need them
green laurel
lol if its not from blizzard than it cannot be true
zealous basalt
... Remember what you said about not following stuff
tranquil steeple
from unofficial sources
green laurel
thats a big fucking laugh
zealous basalt
You are making a big fool of yourself now man
night swift
So you’re willing to trust an “UNOFFICIAL” source, over ACTUAL BLIZZARD
green laurel
lol yeah because 3 people are ganging up on me making 0 good takes at all
green laurel
and you're using the fact that its difficult to respond to 3 people as a reason to say "ITS FACT"
night swift
Peach was tagged into this mess already
green laurel
you're just hoping what i'm saying gets lost in you 3 spamming bad points at me
tranquil steeple
that still doesn't change the fact that blizzard hasn't made it official. sure, not YET as it could be revealed at blizzcon
zealous basalt
And you are hoping we can buy that shadow land thing
tranquil steeple
but until then it's NOT OFFICIAL
night swift
^
green laurel
another stupid point
tranquil steeple
but a valid one
green laurel
from makore
night swift
Seriously
green laurel
what you just said makore doesnt take anything away from what I just said to you
or anything in this convo
night swift
Its amazing how far people will go to defend a leak
zealous basalt
Okay if you want to go at it and make me speculate with you, I will
green laurel
now you're just trying to ad hom me by saying i'm somehow pathetic for simply saying your points are bad because somehow that isnt hypocritical coming from 3 people spamming defenses of those bad takes
zealous basalt
Just for the shits and giggles
green laurel
bad defenses that is
green laurel
idk i think you would have to die to see it
zealous basalt
Correct
The shadow lands is just your eternal rest
We go there every Time we die
Sylvanas was there twice
zealous basalt
Game mechanics =/= lore
green laurel
its an eternal rest yet sylvanas can come back from it twice
oh yeah I mean I agree with you
tranquil steeple
because val'kyr
tranquil steeple
that sacrificed themselves to revive her
tranquil steeple
and yes arthas too
zealous basalt
But yes, it's just another plane, like the emerald dream, but it has a plus that it can't be bothered by the void gods
Old *
green laurel
I think it would be cool if the bosses from Mogu'shan vaults were to be in the shadowlands since they both were like heavily foreshadowed as coming back from the dead or something
zealous basalt
Because as we all know, old gods doesn't give a fuck about your soul if you don't have a body
green laurel
Do you guys remember the line said by Garajal the spiritbinder it was like such a hard foreshadow and nothing ever came of it
zealous basalt
If you can Revive someone dragging their soul from the Shadow lands, then you can Revive someone unlimited times
Now, the leak makes it as this super important place where we are going to fight and that we can come back from it with a gnome machine
green laurel
could be linked with the heart of azeroth being decommissioned
zealous basalt
We haven't seen the heart doing such thing
green laurel
all the azerothian power being used for some crazy shit
zealous basalt
See how it turns?
green laurel
I mean you can say that but like you could say that about anything the HoA does
zealous basalt
And now comes the other question
If we are all dead
Like
Leaders and all
Why fight?
green laurel
We havent ever seen the heart of azeroth shoot giant flame balls that increase our dps by like 12% before
i mean until we did see that
zealous basalt
The heart yes, can be used offensively or defensively
But I think wasting its power to fuel a revival machine is just a big middle finger to everyone
green laurel
why fight? thats one of the points in the leak is that after the plan is revealed and explained the war is over
you can see them all talking in the supposed screen
zealous basalt
Why come back?
Or rather
Why care of having a screens hots of their souls like that?
Like if they wanted to make it more believable
green laurel
wat
zealous basalt
It would be in a battleground with everyone dying
green laurel
they die and then we see hey heres the reason why sylvanas has been such a bitch, lets stop fighting, lets kill the old gods
zealous basalt
Then why kill them
terse patrol
Me any time the Shadowlands "leak" comes up
green laurel
kill who
terse patrol
zealous basalt
The leaders
green laurel
because they think theres a war>!!?!!?!?
zealous basalt
I don't think they need to be killed to see the real threat
green laurel
dude why are we fighting now??
because
theres a war?
what kind of question is that
frail rover
Methinks the tinhat had mercury in it and someones mad as a hatter.
zealous basalt
Do you know why the war started?
green laurel
doodlebug and honkerton making some solid points here
you guys convinced me with those hot opinions
zealous basalt
We know why Sylvanas attacked
green laurel
no we fucking dont lmfao
zealous basalt
We know her reasoning and why she is doing what she does
green laurel
what?!?!!
zealous basalt
... Dude, did you read the novels?
frail rover
.... its in the book?
green laurel
oh boy guys makore KNOWS why sylvanas has been doing what shes been doing
thank god cause like
frail rover
Yeah its in canon lore
green laurel
thats been a huge plot mystery but hey
zealous basalt
... Everyone knows why Sylvanas does it
green laurel
they know the answer
zealous basalt
In elegy there is a well written reason of why she rallies the horde to war
green laurel
write it well here
zealous basalt
Because she know peace is not possible, because she knows that in both alliance and horde there is still hate in the hearts of people, and while that hate is still there, there will be always a risk of a war
What she did was attacking first to ensure the horde prevails
green laurel
so she wants to not only find peace she wants the alliance to surrender
zealous basalt
And her point is validated with Genn and the Sky Captain
zealous basalt
She wants the Alliance destroyed so it can be peace for the Horde
zealous basalt
This ain't your usual Shonen where people talk and fix problems
The scars of war are still on every alliance member and horde member as well
That is the reason Sylvanas started the war
green laurel
Isnt that literally what you're claiming they have done, talk and completely reveal their motives here plainly with zero nuance?
zealous basalt
What?
night swift
Nani?
green laurel
Also just need to point out before we get carried away
her exclaiming she has a certain motive in no way disproves her having a secret motive as well
zealous basalt
facepalms
night swift
We’ve known that since legion
zealous basalt
Her "secret" motive is justice for her forsaken
night swift
That ain’t new
zealous basalt
And make every member of the alliance an undead
green laurel
lol wait so you're telling me she said these things before the war even started
and thats your big point
frail rover
translation: im not gonna pay attention to anything anyone says bc i like this "leaked" idea
zealous basalt
Dude
night swift
^^^^^^
zealous basalt
Did you played Legion?
frail rover
Sylvanas has been doing this for eons
night swift
Doodlebug right on point
green laurel
I'm not saying anything definite but you're saying you DEFINITELY know its fake because of these lines
zealous basalt
Or a more general question
green laurel
when you cant say that
zealous basalt
Do you know Lore?
tranquil steeple
the fact that she had secret motives was proven in legion, with her trying to enslave Eyir, and trying to strike a deal with Helya
tranquil steeple
because she went and did something nobody but the players found out, and her right hand (Nathanos) knew.. and even that's a stretch
green laurel
lol selatharia but wait in wotlk she STATED her motives then and those HAD to be her motives for every action afterwards
i have documents
zealous basalt
yes
night swift
OLD NEWS
zealous basalt
And she changed those motives after her goal was fulfilled
green laurel
that says she is doing all of this to KILL THE LICH KING
zealous basalt
...
tranquil steeple
and after she did
green laurel
oh wait
zealous basalt
This boy ain't clever
frail rover
.... we all know her motived changed after that
night swift
Yeah and then she died
green laurel
LMFAO
night swift
Hated death and came back
zealous basalt
She kms
tranquil steeple
got ressed
frail rover
Because she had nothing to livr for
green laurel
do you not see the fucking irony here
tranquil steeple
'cause she didn't want to stay dead
green laurel
you saying her motive was revealed later to change
frail rover
No
night swift
No
night swift
I see the stupidity in this
tranquil steeple
who'd have thought dead people can change motives too
zealous basalt
This dude is going to defend that leak no matter what
green laurel
yeah stop cause you cant respond now makore or are tired of being shown to be wrong
green laurel
im not defending the leak im just saying your points in no way disprove anything the leak says
zealous basalt
Dude I just tell you why is a bad idea
frail rover
Whod have thought the person you "lived" to kill dying would change your perspective and motives.
night swift
I have an idea
tranquil steeple
ok so, how about... legion and bfa, she says she wants the horde to succeed, and that's her motive. SURE.
you complain that the fact that she has motives doesn't disprove having SECRET MOTIVES
night swift
green laurel
disproven by many different citations in lore talking about the shadowlands
tranquil steeple
the ones unearthed to the players in legion
zealous basalt
Having the leaders to die in a fight
tranquil steeple
from her trying to enslave eyir and strike a deal with helya
zealous basalt
Just to be aware they fucked up?
green laurel
nothing can be used to come back besides a resurrection?
you wanna stake some money on that claim
tranquil steeple
and that's the only things WE'VE seen
zealous basalt
Prove me wrong
frail rover
This goes back to the : you have to weigh what you imagine can happen against what is canon lore that has happened
Yes wow can change it all and do shoddy writing
green laurel
lol you want to stake money on the claim that we have never seen someone coming back from the dead without a resurrection
zealous basalt
And I can prove you wrong
Anyone that knowledge of Wow Lore have been proving you wrong
green laurel
Okay y'know that class released in Wrath?
zealous basalt
Death knights?
frail rover
They were ressurected by Arthas
night swift
Death knights
green laurel
Yeah yah
night swift
That were resurrected
zealous basalt
The ones that link the soul to a pudge of flesh?
green laurel
get to my point
zealous basalt
OK ok
green laurel
Go look up a talent guide for blood dks
zealous basalt
Really
frail rover
?????
night swift
Thats a fucking reach if I’ve ever seen it
night swift
tranquil steeple
oh you talking about wraith walk
night swift
Uhhhh
zealous basalt
What's up with them?
tranquil steeple
something only available for players
frail rover
Youre basing this on wraith walk?
green laurel
you literally sidestep
tranquil steeple
because we're PLAYERS
tranquil steeple
WE'RE EXCLUSIVE HEROES IN A GAME
zealous basalt
...
green laurel
wheres my fucking gold bitch
zealous basalt
Of course
frail rover
The same place as your sanity.
zealous basalt
You are a genius
frail rover
In lala land.
tranquil steeple
every case of someone going to the shadowlands or getting ressed
IN-GAME
are related to players
night swift
Gameplay mechanic =/= Lore
night swift
I ain’t giving you shit
tranquil steeple
players die, we're temporarily in the shadowlands until we get back to our body when we click the "Release Spirit" button
green laurel
also wait
btw
btw
btw
the entire claim here
is that its impossible for this GAME MECHANIC to exist in the leak
zealous basalt
Idk if he is being purposely like that or
green laurel
so your point isnt valid there
zealous basalt
So... We are all dks
frail rover
No you havent proven anything
tranquil steeple
where being there was suffering
green laurel
your point was that its impossible for a game mechanic to bring us back from the shadowlands like the one claimed in the leak
frail rover
Except that you are more oblivious than i even realized
tranquil steeple
WHY WOULD WE GO TO WHERE EVER THAT IS TO FIGHT THE OLD GODS
zealous basalt
Sel
green laurel
to fight the old gods
zealous basalt
We are dks
green laurel
you answered the question in the question
zealous basalt
Old gods don't belong to the shadowlands
zealous basalt
The only reason they would be there is because they are dead
green laurel
🙂
zealous basalt
facepalms
I have the slight feeling that everyone that defend the leak has no lore knowledge
A very slight feeling
frail rover
Ok but question. Have you read the books? Or just reddit and streamers and youtubers?
night swift
Oh yes
frail rover
😂
tranquil steeple
shadowlands
is the end after death
really should be no way of going back logically
without a major sacrifice
night swift
Did you believe the super trustworthy Bellular vid on that
zealous basalt
I am sorry to do this guys
green laurel
ANYTHING WE'VE NOT SEEN NOW CAN NEVER BE EXPLAINED THROUGH LORE
tranquil steeple
except in the case of us players 'cause we're.. playing a game
we can't just die permanently in a MMO
thus we can return to our bodies
frail rover
No im saying using past lore to weigh claims of current unsubstantiated ideas is logical and rational.
tranquil steeple
in the game
green laurel
I feel like if i explained to you guys that the next expac will have an orc leader travel through time to an alternate timeline of an alien planet you'd be like BRUH THATS SILLY YOU CANT TRAVEL THROUGH TIME JUST LIKE THAT
zealous basalt
@uncut vault @dense plover @tropic trail
night swift
Oh boy
tranquil steeple
let's check
green laurel
lol so you're now giving up
green laurel
just because of an expansion
tranquil steeple
no we're getting actual lore people
zealous basalt
You should feel honored if they answer
green laurel
just read up on it
theres a literal list of examples
of people
going in
and coming back
tranquil steeple
at least as far as normal wow players go
green laurel
from the shadowlands
tranquil steeple
aka non-blizz people
green laurel
and just so we're clear just because we havent seen a device do something in wow before
doesnt mean
its not possible.
you could say that about anything the HoA does
zealous basalt
I saw you port
frail rover
Except there was pre estbalished lore in the beforr thr storm book that set up parameters for the azerite
green laurel
"You cant just have a necklace that literally shoots fire balls at people we've never seen a lore example before of that ever happening"
night swift
Porter run
zealous basalt
We saw people casting Azerite spheres before
We saw witches doing soul. Magic with Azerite
frail rover
Sapphy and grizzek survived because of an azerite ring that shieldrd them
zealous basalt
It doesn't say it
tranquil steeple
what part mentions people coming back from the shadowlands after DYING
green laurel
During the battle with Gara'jal the Spiritbinder in Mogu'shan Vaults, adventurers were sent to the spirit world via his Spirit Totems.
uncut vault
zealous basalt
We didn't die
night swift
Porter you sure you want in on this
zealous basalt
He has to
Or do you think it's no bueno?
... I should tag Emu here tll
Should I? Sel
night swift
God Emu would get a kick out of this!
green laurel
even though im pretty sure I could find a plot point where it happens
we're making the mistake here
again
saying
"because this has never happened before in established lore, then blizzard could never give a plot explanation for it happening in an expansion"
zealous basalt
Like the void elves
And that makes things really shitty
There is something called fore...
tranquil steeple
that's only talking about "not-dead" mortals
zealous basalt
Foreshadowing
zealous basalt
In BfA we had foreshadowing of the essences by the people that used Azerite for their own goods
We saw what the perfection mechaturbo did
And boom
tranquil steeple
val'kyr have to SACRIFICE themselves to bring someone back to life fully
zealous basalt
Essence
green laurel
lol damn you got me there theres never been foreshadowing towards the shadowlands before
frail rover
No hes not. Hes living in his own lala land where reason and rational thinking dont exist.
night swift
^
zealous basalt
WE CAN'T ENTER AND ESCAPE SHADOW LANDS AT WILL
There are beings that are in charge of giving a passage yes
But we do that when
Guess what
We are alive
When our body is still funtional
There has
Never been a foreshadowing of a mortal that died
And came back like nothing
green laurel
dude there is no possible way an orc could like
ring a giant magical bell
and travel through time
like
zealous basalt
...
zealous basalt
If you are talking about the Vision of Time
green laurel
use a BELL
night swift
....
green laurel
to travel through time
zealous basalt
Because... That bell that you say
night swift
When did you start the game dude
zealous basalt
It's called Vision of Time
tranquil steeple
MoP = Mists of Pandaria
zealous basalt
It has the power to look through time
tranquil steeple
the expansion where you reference Gara'jal
zealous basalt
Or in their peak of power
zealous basalt
About your bell that you say
night swift
Welp this convo is done now
zealous basalt
We did?
green laurel
to travel in time
green laurel
only cases we've seen that happen is with dragons and pretty sure ur claiming an ORC did it?
no way jose
zealous basalt
If you are trying to make a fool of the whole foreshadow thing using the Vision of Time
You are making a bigger fool of yourself
People that did the Vision of Time progress say I
I
green laurel
no you havent that couldnt possibly exist
zealous basalt
But it did
green laurel
we've never seen it happen before in the previous expacs of cata, wotlk, bc
frail rover
I should have been done before. But its gotten so stupid it isnt even funny now so... peace to more patient people than me. 
zealous basalt
We saw it since BC though?
green laurel
me, from my perspective of a person playing in cata, that could NEVER possibly happen
an ORC using some magic BELL?
to travel through time?
sorry WHAT?
night swift
What the fuck is happening
tranquil steeple
ok, TJ
zealous basalt
He is confusing the Mystic Bell for the Vision of Time
green laurel
we have never seen anyone use an hour glass to travel through time
tranquil steeple
you know the giant hourglass in the caverns of time?
in the middle of the whole place?
green laurel
you're being rediculous
zealous basalt
And you need to catch up with Lore
zealous basalt
He has lost it
zealous basalt
Go ahead
night swift
We broke him
green laurel
through the past expacs
of cata, wotlk and bc
we've never seen that happen before
zealous basalt
End of Time dungeons?
green laurel
therefore
zealous basalt
Culling of Stratholme?
green laurel
it could NEVER happen
zealous basalt
Caverns of Time in BC?
green laurel
because something has not happened before in wow, that means it can NEVER happen
zealous basalt
With the help of a bronze dragon
Yes
And it was the Bronze dragon that did everything
green laurel
a dragon traveling someone else? through time???
????
we've nevER
seen
that happen
zealous basalt
We do that in every Cavern of Time duggeon
unborn glacier
It was actually all Kairoz. Garrosh did nothing. It was Kairoz at the behest of Wrathion.
green laurel
therefore it can NEVER HAPPEN!!!!
green laurel
?????
why waste the mods time just because you're flustered by a convo
jesus christ dude yikes
unborn glacier
Sure TJ is slightly spergy, but, what could a Mod do? He technically hasn't broken any rules.
green laurel
more ad homs lmfao
zealous basalt
Isn't repeating the same over and over be considered spam tho
green laurel
makore look at your past page of comments
unborn glacier
But, he hasn't
zealous basalt
"We have never seen it happen" "???" for the last minutes
west relic
hello
green laurel
i'm responding to your points of something never happening meaning it can never happen in the future
tranquil steeple
kinda same general thing, but, not exactly the same. still let's just let the mod(s) do what they think is right
green laurel
of course im going to have those words in my comment
west relic
WHO DARES SUMMON ME
zealous basalt
I did
unborn glacier
Firing off short sentences in quick sequence isn't really spam
zealous basalt
But uh
unborn glacier
Unless he is literally repeating the same exact sentence over and over
green laurel
makore is angry because I'm responding to his weird defenses rather than just x'ing out of the discord
unborn glacier
I will say this.
zealous basalt
Now I'm the one with weird defenses
unborn glacier
This has been quite entertaining
unborn glacier
And deliiciouslyu spergy on all sides.
green laurel
is that because something has yet to happen in wow's lore
that means it is impossible for it to happen in the future of wows lore
unborn glacier
I mean, its Blizz we're talking about. Asspulls are their thing, tbh.
zealous basalt
... Well, yeah, we saw that with the void elves
green laurel
okay now please tell me where in cata it is foreshadowed that an orc will travel back in time to go to another dimension and save his alternate reality daddy
zealous basalt
Warcraft 3
unborn glacier
Thrall? Ok, I'm curious, for curiousity sake.
green laurel
what are you talking about? arthas is the heir to the throne of lorderon and would never do that
unborn glacier
I have to ask, how did Cata use thrall to foreshadow wod?
unborn glacier
Novel*
unborn glacier
And that wasn't time travel
zealous basalt
It wasn't but it saved his pops
unborn glacier
That was his spirit being ripped from his body and going into an old god blood chamber beneath Hyjal
To talk to Deathwing
zealous basalt
Wasn't that when he got into that multiple time lines thing and ended in a place where Kalec was the only survivor?
green laurel
sorry that is impossible ranger
unborn glacier
No
green laurel
you cant have your soul ripped from your body and survive
i mean
thats never happened before
unborn glacier
Ysera and the Earthen Ring saved him
zealous basalt
I do remember a novel like that
unborn glacier
The caused one of Hyjals roots to pierce the chamber to let Thrall out
zealous basalt
In a part where Jaina flooded Orgrimmar and that caused a massive mess up
unborn glacier
Thats now Dawn of the Aspects
zealous basalt
And ended with Kalec being crazy and being the Lone survivor of all of it
zealous basalt
Oh. My bad
unborn glacier
Dawn of the Aspects is Kalec being given visions of the past at the formation of the Aspects after touching Tyrs artifact
zealous basalt
Huh
I can swear that there was a novel that showed up how things could have changed if time was messed with
terse patrol
They need to make Salandria an adult and introduce her to the story.
dense plover
jesus
@green laurel dont fucking ping someone about something from a week+ ago
secondly, those concept maps have way less work put in them than the shadowlands one
theres fucking color shading on the shadowlands map
the mop map does not have that
notice how its as simple as possible?
green laurel
@dense plover dont fucking ping someone about something from 1 and a half hours ago
dense plover
nah
see thats not equivalent
because you pinged me first
and also, it was recent
green laurel
lets arbitrarily draw lines where we can say bullshit in the past without getting called out lul
dense plover
thats not arbitrary
an hour or two isnt a necro
a day or two definitely is
especially in a channel this actuive
dense plover
Yeah, do you see th water levels? They don’t do that
green laurel
dense plover
Secondly, see how the L in World is totally illegible?
dense plover
Yeah, they don’t because that isn’t a concept map
green laurel
they dont they just dont
dense plover
That’s a preview map - aka, official map isn’t done
green laurel
..............................
dense plover
Not, hey so we are working on planning zones
green laurel
you're drawing an arbitrary line there again
dense plover
That they show off
green laurel
wait wait wait lol
my dude
you have this twisted
that mop map was shown off
at blizzcon
dense plover
I’m not going to argue this on a shitty side screenshot someone faked. It’s not happening. Nyalotha isn’t in the shadowlands
green laurel
the mop map was shown at blizzcon
dense plover
How about we start there
green laurel
thats the source.
green laurel
the mop map was shown at blizzcon
dense plover
They’re not related
velvet wind
TJ why are you being so confrontational? It’s just a game 
green laurel
the mop map was shown at blizzcon so your point there isnt valid
dense plover
Nzoth has nothing to do with the shadowlands