Basically what some people said in the video
#beta-ptr-spoilers
zealous basalt
languid yoke
so the team that cares about 8.3 going well is not hte team caring about 9.0 beta going well
zealous basalt
"And since BfA is dead, they might as well start with the beta now"
dense plover
It just had more content and the focus of beta testing was too spread out
zealous basalt
People forget that time means shit
dense plover
It also isn’t dead
zealous basalt
If you don't have a focus
dense plover
Bfa is still actively played
tranquil steeple
bfa's failing because the rewards for the new systems aren't worth the effort.. 90% of the time.
dense plover
^ this
vernal juniper
not so much played 😄
dense plover
Artifacts gave points all the time
zealous basalt
And classes were Legion's leftover
zealous basalt
BfA got a massive boost because Classic
zealous basalt
Classic didn't take BfA clients
tranquil steeple
I've played at least a couple days a week, every week since launch
zealous basalt
It's easy to guess
tranquil steeple
things sure ain't like it used to in Legion
dense plover
No but high realm pop and the cities are full and the queues are there and hroupfinder is busy
zealous basalt
Make a new character and queue
tranquil steeple
but it's still WoW
vernal juniper
I can tell you a thing but you will think is a bullshit
tranquil steeple
the best part of it is the people you play with
zealous basalt
Its approximation
vernal juniper
I have an account basically 24/24
dense plover
Because Blizz hasn’t given numbers
zealous basalt
Players don't buy things in AH at this moment because the content is already done
vernal juniper
told you think is a bulshit :P. I'm not talking about the number of sells.
You don't need to watch it too see if is decreasing.
zealous basalt
A better way to measure it is early level queues as dps
vernal juniper
you need to watch of the amount of auction posted on ah
and it dropped around 50 % from July, to now.
tranquil steeple
and early on in patches
people just DUMP anything new from the patch
to make gold
zealous basalt
People buy stuff in AH when it's current content to either dump or get stuff for Raiding
It's the hot hour
vernal juniper
That's my point, he said a lot of people are playing the game. As today there are not.
tropic trail
ME
See I have 108 new messages on ptr-spoilers get excited
also ME
See that they are arguing again about this stupid "maybe 8.3 wont be a thing" topic hopes destroyed
zealous basalt
YOUR BASE IS THE AH TRAFFIC
tranquil steeple
new ore needed for blacksmithing/engineering? here comes the 50 dump trucks full of it flooding the AH in single stacks
from people wanting to make gold
smoky mural
we already know that we are going to nyalota whit last year blizzcon teaser at the end
zealous basalt
You can't me assure the base of a realm population based on the AH
vernal juniper
ofcourse, the ah taffic is better than "i see pleople write in chat"
zealous basalt
Ooooo
tranquil steeple
patch has cooled down for about a month? people will start putting up larger stacks of profession mats
zealous basalt
Damn
dense plover
I have so many problems with that makuta
zealous basalt
Because it's an eye
tranquil steeple
at best when it comes to ny'alotha
zealous basalt
And it sahs
tranquil steeple
it's going to be a vision
zealous basalt
"Teh end"
tranquil steeple
given to us by n'zoth
dense plover
Nzoth is weaker
vernal juniper
the % of people who post on Ah is always close to the same compared to the overall % of players. If you have 100 milions of players and 10% post on ah than if you will have 10 millions of players you will again around 10% of people posting,
zealous basalt
That is not how economy work
dense plover
That’s anecdotal
dense plover
Not statisticall
tranquil steeple
usually the ones who get a fuckton of new patch mats
vernal juniper
you don't get the point, whatever.
zealous basalt
It's just a dumb comparison
I still say it, the best way to get an approximation is via queues
Early queues
tranquil steeple
90% of the AH is same people unless you're looking for something specific
vernal juniper
as I said it is not, but whatever.
zealous basalt
As DPS
Because it means that you are in a long queue with more players that want to get in a dungeon
unborn glacier
I've never bought the idea that Nzoth was actually the weakest. Yshaarj was arrogant and flaunted his power. I honestly believe Nzoth is as powerful but was smart enough not to make it known.
zealous basalt
So Nzoth is goku? Just playing with people?
unborn glacier
I mean, he loves mind games
unborn glacier
I have. I'm on break and it ends in 1 minute, so I'll have to give my opinion after work
zealous basalt
Oboi
So what do you guys hope for next xpacs referring to classes
Would you all like things like seals and stances to come back?
sullen dawn
instead of seals, i want a talent which gives paladin the ability to fight on a mount permantly
and a lance
tranquil steeple
but only vs other paladins with the same talent 
sullen dawn
or for 30s on a 3 min cooldown
zealous basalt
So a weaker version of that talent of the holy horse thing
terse patrol
I still don’t get what Blizzard was expecting with BFA. @dense plover
dense plover
i think its a mix of wanting to do one thing but players wanting something else
and not understanding why legion worked
terse patrol
Coming off of Legion which was well received by the end with this terrible story.
dense plover
in retrospect, they 100% know why legion works now, and why BfA didnt
zealous basalt
And do you know why?
zealous basalt
hindsight?
ancient jasper
I can't wait to find out how the insanity of BfA ends..
terse patrol
They should have known the writing was bad while they were doing it.
dense plover
i think the issue is most of it is pre-Golden
and Golden has TRIED to save it
but its a fucking disaster
terse patrol
Tbh, Blizzard should have seen the changing demographics of their game. More people than EVER are invested in the lore.
So writing rule of cool knee jerk bullshit can’t fly anymore.
zealous basalt
What do you mean with hindsight?
dense plover
"understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed."
tranquil steeple
pretty much
realizing you wrote down the wrong answer on a test
after you'd turned it in
terse patrol
I think the main rumor is that the guys at the top of Blizzard chose to burn Teldrassil and told the writers to make it work. Dunno if that’s true or not. Wouldn’t surprise me.
zealous basalt
Ahh, so basically getting better after making a big mess
terse patrol
They wanted a big edgy opening to the next expansion to get people invested. And it WORKED. Initially.
zealous basalt
It worked because people thought it was going to be different
terse patrol
Then the players realized there was no substance. The writing made no sense.
zealous basalt
And then they revealed that Sylvanas did it because of fuck you
Most of my friends of my old guild were so interested on seeing what'd have happened
Then the pre-patch came and they grow bored
dense plover
in regards to party sync: interesting strings related to rewards
"Completing this quest while in Party Sync has a chance at rewarding:"
night swift
They also really liked legion’s class design and then forgot that taking away the legion stuff made them god awful
zealous basalt
How could they forget it?
tranquil steeple
well, especially taking away legion stuff without compensation
dense plover
" RAF_RECRUIT_ACTIVITY_DESCRIPTION Use Party Sync and complete the following tasks with %s to receive a reward."
tranquil steeple
for what the classes lost
sullen dawn
Honkerton i seriously doubt the guys 'at the top of blizzard' have time to get involved with the story
zealous basalt
Like...Legion's class design was based on the artifcat
dense plover
so it seems like RAF activities might also give bonus rewards
sullen dawn
they have a business to run
zealous basalt
Well, gear is stupid
dense plover
no clue whats inside
also
starting quests arent supposed to be a thing
" ERR_QUEST_SESSION_RESULT_QUEST_NOT_COMPLETED Party Sync failed to start because a party member has not completed their starting quests."
terse patrol
I remember my main theory back then was that the Horde and Alliance battle in the boughs of Teldrassil, both sides using the overcharged artifact weapons in the fight. This results in some sort of expulsion of energy which burns the tree.
zealous basalt
And what does the game consider as starting quest?
terse patrol
With the artifacts being destroyed in the process
zealous basalt
Until they reach goldshire for example?
terse patrol
Instead Blizzard just says “what artifacts?”
zealous basalt
Yeah, I dislike that artifacts didn't have any impact in BfA
dense plover
probably the race exclusive quests
the ones you cant do if you go to the zone at lvl 1
terse patrol
Seriously, 7.3.5 and the pre patch and the book build up Azerite as extremely important, only for it to be AP V.2
night swift
All we’ve seen it used for is war
zealous basalt
more like Ap beta
night swift
And endgame grind
terse patrol
@night swift And we barely see it used for that.
zealous basalt
that turned out to not be a grind
because after 7.3.5
The artifacts just went all the way up
121 being the max artifact level
And us dealing billions of dps
zealous basalt
It feel conflicted to have that kind of power
dense plover
zealous basalt
BUT WHY YOU NEED GEAR
terse patrol
The Alliance doesn’t even do anything with Azerite.
zealous basalt
Oh
dense plover
probably equivalent to WQ gear
night swift
Why do we need so much gear rewards
terse patrol
Saffy and Grizzek want to use it for good things, and they leave to join the Alliance, yet we never see the Alliance do anything with Azerite.
dense plover
its also probably AP and war resources too
zealous basalt
Give us AP instead for Max levels
with Benthic gear that kind of thing is useless
zealous basalt
I don't really get it either
I mean
I as a 120 player would
surely have a ilvl 420 gear that it means nothing
Why would I need that 120 gear?
Unless it is an elusive tmog gear
tranquil steeple
i'd just love to be able to do something else than m+/raid for decent gear
that doesn't need titanforge to be on-par
zealous basalt
Also lets not talk about azerite and lets talk about how they should have introduced the stat squish in a good way
Because I still remember the hissy fits of the players when they realized their artifact got weak af and they were squishy again
Imo they should have said that artifacts draned us entirely and as a side of it we got back to our puny mortal levels
terse patrol
Well, they built up an expansion around getting more and more powerful.
People are gunna get mad if that just disappears.
zealous basalt
I knew it was a bad idea
tranquil steeple
even if it makes sense it can't stay forever
zealous basalt
To spoil people like that
Like
You had people that in their lifes felt that op in wow
You spoil them and one day
without any explanation
it is gone
its like removing an addiction
tranquil steeple
like thanos snapping cocaine out of existence
tranquil steeple
maybe, ye
he was there with us when we drained sargeras' sword
using our artifacts
zealous basalt
And that in turn we absorbed part of their power and that they lingered with our soul or something like that
night swift
I just wonder what will happen after bfa
zealous basalt
me too
terse patrol
Either something awesome or terrible.
It’s... hard to say at this point.
But if they go too far in justifying Sylvanas, I’ll quit.
tranquil steeple
if world reset is where things are going
terse patrol
Considering there are rock models for Westfall of all places in the BFA files, it might be more likely than we think.
tranquil steeple
I'll bet it's related to azeroth bleeding out way too fast for us to fix things
zealous basalt
Make us all feel shitty
Lol imagine it
They punish their playerbase for not playing the game
night swift
Well its also that a LOT of the game has become irrelevant
Or retconned out to just kinda be there
zealous basalt
I think that's the problemw ith expacs
terse patrol
I want next expac to focus heavily on dwarves and gnomes Alliance side.
But I know it’ll just be more Anduin.
zealous basalt
Hard with people prefering human story
night swift
Can nelfs get some kinda update as to wtf happened to them
Night warrior just kinda happened
terse patrol
You’re asking for too much.
night swift
Lol
terse patrol
Night Elves exist to push Orc story.
terse patrol
Kill them to extinction and make them the new Undead Elf allied race for the Horde.
tranquil steeple
tbh
I'd rather expect blizz to just
do a night elf looking allied race
and then give them a fuckton of content
and just point and laugh at the normal night elves
night swift
Remember when people wondered if night warrior was gonna be an AR
tranquil steeple
well... uh... n- i mean... you're not wrong
zealous basalt
Who was the one that was pissed because nightborne were horde?
night swift
Someone here?
zealous basalt
Ye
night swift
No clue
zealous basalt
i think it was des
terse patrol
I remember how stoked people were when the Highborne joined the Alliance. Then Blizzard created Highborne 2.0 but they’re cooler and Horde now.
tranquil steeple
i'd say des, but iirc they were WAY more on just purely wanting the night elves to be great again, or wanted high elves for alliance
night swift
Highborne that got the model no one expected and hated it
terse patrol
The Nightborne even have the same fucking backstory as the Shen’dralar.
zealous basalt
Well
They had it easy
Considering Highborne are a bunch of pushovers that never stood against Aszhara
terse patrol
Nightborne didnt either tho
sullen dawn
some did
sullen dawn
is Forondis hightborne?
zealous basalt
Farondis-chan is highborne yes
terse patrol
The only difference between the two is that the Nightborne’s shield was powered by a edgy Sunwell ripoff.
zealous basalt
He is the only elf that got my respect
sullen dawn
well he stood against her
zealous basalt
Other highbornes should have died for what they did
terse patrol
But ye Nightborne were created to act as “cooler” Horde night elves
zealous basalt
Idc
They belong with the trash with some of the horde classes
I dont see where is the cool with having those face
Nightbornes look awful
terse patrol
Blizzard likes them, thats all that matters
uncut lintel
o-o nightborne are my favorite elfs no offence
zealous basalt
Eh, they could have worked better on their faces
Idc which side gets cooler or better races
In the end we all know humans master race
night swift
Male nightborne have like one good face
The others have that really ugly mouth that doesnt close
zealous basalt
Yeah, as i said i don't see why honk think that is cool compared to the uniqueness of the fiery beard of the dwarves
tropic trail
Its funny and sad that the Nightbornes Lore is already better and more interesting then the whole Night elf lore , since they were introduced into WoW
night swift
Didnt nelfs get more lore in the warcraft game than WoW
zealous basalt
Ye
tropic trail
yep
night swift
And now look at them
tropic trail
the nelfs were interesting in Warcraft. I actually really liked them
gave me some amazona warrior vibes
night swift
Lost everything and are now left in the dust
zealous basalt
Teldrassil fucked it up tbh
tropic trail
but since added into wow they are kinda useless and super passive
zealous basalt
Like, giving thim an extra home rather than Ashenvale where they got closer to Horde
I never liked Teldrassil tbh
tropic trail
even back then, a super warrior and priestess like Tyrande acts totaly beta in front of Varian
zealous basalt
It was just a cheap version of Nordrassil
tropic trail
Teldrassil actually made the nelfs for the first time more interesting, since WC3
zealous basalt
Nah
tropic trail
ya-ha. There is now a big oppurtunity to make them relevant once again
zealous basalt
The burning or the tree itself
tropic trail
now it depends if blizz fuck its up and ignores them once more or if they finaly start to become a race they were in WC3
zealous basalt
Well to be honest Tilted
They were useless from the beggining
Think about it and they are only defensive peebs
Like always
zealous basalt
But why give them a reason of being something they arent?
tropic trail
if Teldrassil is not a reason to do so, well then I dont know
what do you mean they arent?
in WC 3 night elves were the aggressor
they attacked the orcs first
zealous basalt
Because the orcs were cutting trees of Ashenvale
zealous basalt
In that aspect orcs offended them
tropic trail
but my point is, back then Night elves killed people just for cutting trees
today, you have to force them to do something after genociding them...
zealous basalt
that is also my point
If you think about it its all about defense (alliance) vs offensive
tropic trail
well, yea
zealous basalt
And imo the whole Night Warrior thing is just a anime cringefest
zealous basalt
That only shows that Nelves were always weak
zealous basalt
And in warcraft
tropic trail
unless you are talking about that "defensive" thing
zealous basalt
They depended on Cenarus
tropic trail
but thats normal
zealous basalt
Cenarius*
Because the orkus dofus were pushing, Cenarius pushed them back and they had to drink fel blood to push them further
Just think about it
terse patrol
tbh
The Night Warrior scene should have been a cinematic.
Anime bullshit only looks good if its yknow
zealous basalt
It shouldn't have existed
terse patrol
Actually put effort into
zealous basalt
If they wanted Night elves to look strong
terse patrol
o yeah
zealous basalt
They should be able to just use the night to stalk the forsaken
terse patrol
Only trolls are allowed to have powerful supernatural beings come to their aid.
zealous basalt
Because they are weak as well
terse patrol
The night elves don’t even get the Wild Gods anymore.
zealous basalt
And i can see why even't the dragons didn't came to aid
Consider teldrassil as a failure, as harsh as it sounds
terse patrol
zealous basalt
Humans, dwarves and gnomes are the only races that pushed their villains back
Humans of Stormwind
Because the ones of Lordaeron...we all know what happened
terse patrol
I just hate how much love Blizzard puts into the Loa.
Temples, lore on worship, etc.
The Night Elves don’t get anything regarding their gods/demigods.
zealous basalt
You are forgetting that some wild gods have temples and orders
hasty elbow
Speaking of night elves, i wonder if they will added more customization to the existing races anytime soon. I mean look at nelf male without beard who also has no eyebrows at all. >.>
night swift
Oh no, belllular made a conspiracy video
zealous basalt
irony
dense plover
jesus
night swift
Saying there might be mo 8.3
dense plover
can we stop taking anything he says seriously?
zealous basalt
ah that
dense plover
he has 0 lore knowledge
night swift
I’m not lol
dense plover
and uses WoD, a much much much worse expac, as the base for no 8.3
night swift
But other people will take it seriously
terse patrol
I guess he wants to lose any good will he might have with Blizzard.
zealous basalt
clickbait
but yes Honk
you forget wild gods doesn't really care about that much praise like the arrogant loa of the trolls
terse patrol
yes, but they used to come to the aid of the night elves all the time.
The only reason they don’t now is because Blizzard nerfs the night elves into the ground.
zealous basalt
Besides Cenarius, was there another wild god fighting against the Horde?
terse patrol
Imagine if the Horde had to fight the Wild Gods as well as stuff like stone giants in Darkshore.
zealous basalt
And even, cenarius helped because orcs were actively destroying the forest
pulsar iris
weren't most of the wild gods dead after the nightmare? 🤔
zealous basalt
Horde just had help of the elements to make teldrassil burn
also most of the elvish wild gods were still dead
And the rest are neutral
pulsar iris
they were still reforming in the dream by the time teldrasil burned, right?
zealous basalt
i think so
Cenarius was still healing the Nightmare
dream*
And to be frank, making the wild gods help the elves would make things severely uneaven
terse patrol
Blizzard makes the Horde disproportionately strong when they need to anyways.
Lets be real, if the Alliance could use even half of its power, the Horde would be crushed.
zealous basalt
But think about it Honker
Like lets stop and think
Do you really expect that wild gods, that are charged to protecting certain areas of their nature, would go and defend an aberration (said by some dragons) like Teldrassil was?
Or lose the neutrality and risk to be killed? Some wild gods are somewhat assy the first time you meet them
zealous basalt
Afterwards
Not in the beggining
and that was because the elves proved they weren't that useless
terse patrol
Did the Burning happen before the blessing or something? No.
Couldn’t even get Ursoc and Ursol to help.
Who are lorewise said to be friends of the Night Elves.
zealous basalt
They were dead
tropic trail
if we would get real, Sylvanas and the Forsaken (in general all undeads) were the strongest race on Azeroth, with close after the Draenei (because of their alien ship)
zealous basalt
Ursoc was dead
terse patrol
Ursol is alive.
zealous basalt
Also that
terse patrol
Aviana is alive.
zealous basalt
And in the broken isles
And we aren't taking in account the azerite treat on certain areas
Fighting horde was the least of their priorities like jrkb said
tulip sun
The only wild god type beings you can really expect to do stuff to defend their followers are loa
zealous basalt
Kham you still here
unborn glacier
Teldrassil was never blessed. Nordrassil was.
terse patrol
“Malfurion managed to remove the corrupt branch and eventually restore the tree to a state closer to what it originally should have been. Alexstrasza, impressed that the tree could prosper alone without her influence or her kin's, blessed it belatedly. She later blessed it again, along with Ysera this time, during the wedding of Malfurion and Tyrande Whisperwind--a blessing which protected Teldrassil to its final day.[12] The tree flourished even more under the gifts from the Life-Binder and the Dreamer, though it still cannot return the night elves' immortality without a blessing from Nozdormu.”
@unborn glacier
unborn glacier
I stand corrected. My mistake.
Still. Nozdormu thought the tree was an abomination.
zealous basalt
More like it was too much arrogance from the elves
zealous basalt
Was kinda nice that they lost it so they could be humbler
than just arrogant pricks
unborn glacier
And I believe the difference between the Wild Gods and Loa is that the Loa gain more power, the more they're worshipped, I believe. I could be wrong.
The Wild Gods are more neutral entities.
zealous basalt
i thought you changed your pic
terse patrol
Ugh I need some sort of new lore
zealous basalt
Bla blah
tropic trail
In the coming weeks a couple of new questlines will become available with the conclusion of the War Campaign and the return of Wrathion. As for what the future holds, stay tuned for BlizzCon! I take this btw as that they gonna talk about 8.3 and new xpac on blizzcon
dull flame
i expect new expansion reveal at blizzcon and preview of 8.3 for sure
terse patrol
Ugh.
tropic trail
tropic trail
zealous basalt
Hah
Loved it
If they can get their stuff okay now
Then I will have big hopes now
flint meteor
i mean how would they wrap it all on blizzcon
zealous basalt
Like how they did in last Legion blizz con
They did announcement
7.3
And Classic
true musk
One thing they managed to do: get me really excited for war campaign quests. Although the hype might backfire when it's not corresponded.
tropic trail
I feel like the loyalist war campaign questline will be resolved really bad and lazy
upper remnant
Play along
terse patrol
When did night elves hunt down blood elves what
tropic trail
they did
there are even in TBC quests where you have to kill nelfs on the blood elf territory
terse patrol
That was a spying operation by the Alliance.
Not a “kill the blood elves!!!” operation.
tropic trail
well then this happened probably somehwere else
Im not sure when it did happen, but if its in this book it should right? 
terse patrol
It’s implied the blood elf starting zone takes place timeline wise after the Exodar crash.
When Kaelthas’ elves try to exterminate the draenei.
So I assume that’s why the night elves are investigating.
twilit coral
reset in EU
twilit coral
to the spanish server?
twilit coral
the free transfer to spanish server end in 10 days
twilit coral
its real weird
stiff vector
WOW-31884patch8.2.5_Retail
tropic trail
what?
stiff vector
retail build is up for background downloading
tropic trail
new build for retail? boring
stiff vector
8.2.5 tho
tropic trail
do you telling me, the release ready build is getting background downloaded right now?
which means, it will be released on the upcoming tuesday?
probably?
uncut lintel
O-OOO
tropic trail
are you telling me THIS?
uncut lintel
ooooodajisojdaeswj
stiff vector
i'm saying they have A release build of 8.2.5 up
doesn't mean this is going to be -the- build
uncut lintel
o-------------o
tropic trail
is it datamine able?
zealous basalt
...
stiff vector
it is the same content as PTR
tropic trail
ah ok
zealous basalt
WE HAVE A BACK GROUND DOWNLOAD FOR 8.2.5?
ionic terrace
#teamshaggyparrot
junior prairie
@stiff vector ohhhhhhhhhh nice
uncut lintel
-breathes-
stiff vector
zealous basalt
So they
Updated the build
AND
It is ready to be live
... This has been a weird patch cycle
junior prairie
oh wow @stiff vector do you think it's a bit of crazy time with the builds and encryption?
tropic trail
yeaaaaa
uncut lintel
worth ittt
junior prairie
hehe :3 talking of liking stuff..
I like the bird!
stiff vector
is a nice bird
sullen dawn
Prolly last time code was committed
languid yoke
That's a day that was not today!
stiff vector
sep 17 is when it was compiled
zealous basalt
Wasn't that when we got the extra build in ptr?
languid yoke
8.2.5 hiding so much it's even hiding rc
stiff vector
yeah that was compiled 20 seconds after the PTR build we got
stiff vector
stable-enough-for-release-maybe-yeah
zealous basalt
What do you think it happened?
tropic trail
mhh anyway, this increases the chances for a 24th release a lot
zealous basalt
When do you think bgdl will be live?
stiff vector
it is now
zealous basalt
O
stiff vector
but if you have PTR installed it only takes a few seconds probably
tropic trail
what is bgdl
tropic trail
ah nvm
zealous basalt
This is njst crazy
sullen dawn
The odds of 8.3 before dec 31st have marginally increased
tropic trail
not sure about that, since that mod forum post today did also marginally descreased it
sullen dawn
Yeh itd be very right
*tight
Announcement 1st November..ptr couple days later (or maybe instantly)
Was exciting is the drought is over
Patch in next 4-11 days, war campaign (if timegated) and cinematic few weeks later, into blizzcon, into 8.3 ptr, into 15th anniversary
*whats
tropic trail
war campaign will be instantly playable, but most likely time gated in 2 parts
with last part being the clash of the loyalists , Sylvanas and the alliance and rebels + big ass cinematic
terse patrol
So, what day do you think the patch is launching?
terse patrol
mm, makes sense.
tropic trail
But should they not release a survival guide on youtube or at least an release announcement on the forums , if that would be the case? 
dense plover
^ or even over the weekend
storm marsh
They've been promoting content heavily on social medias
uncut lintel
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
storm marsh
Definetly coming next week. I just hope there arent time-gated questlines
tropic trail
Im pretty sure the war campaign is time gated
they gonna wait with those big cinematic reveal for until blizzcon
like 3-4 days before blizz
storm marsh
Well i hope there will be something happening on release day
tropic trail
they time gated the war campaign before. Or do you think they did it because of the raids?
terse patrol
I really don’t like the idea of them waiting over a month into a patch to show the cinematics.
stiff vector
if we get new cinematics :3
terse patrol
stabs
Don’t ruin my dreams.
Any new info on that pop up book?
Do we need to light torches?
tropic trail
we will get new cinematics for 8.2.5 for sure. even if that 6 min cinematic is old soldier and the other one, there will still be at least 1 for 8.2.5
sullen dawn
There better be cinematics, given how we were robbed in 8.2
terse patrol
I suspect we’re getting two Terran Gregory cinematics.
And a CGI.
None of the CGI cinematics were in game.
@tropic trail
So, the two cinematics in the files aren’t CGI.
tropic trail
we dont
sullen dawn
Ok
tropic trail
Im curious now what exactly the chinese Sylvanas voice actress were talking about. about the 8.3 CGI or about the new xpac CGI 
Im pretty sure the VA voiced over the new xpac stuff already (if Sylv is at all in the new trailer)
dense plover
I feel like it’s worthless
It’s unlikely they recorded the cinematic VO that long ago
Especially since they record the English VO first
Secondly, it’s very unlikely they would be adding the two Saurfang cinematics so long after a hey were relevant
tropic trail
true
Also it would not make much sense to add those 2 Saurfang cinematics when there are 3 of them
zealous basalt
After installing Ptra
uncut lintel
why is it not installing for mee
white quartz
Usually takes a bit and you may not have the correct settings to get background downloads. Forgot exactly how you do it but its definitely a option
Id be surprised however if the 8.2.5 patch doesnt drop by next week given the sheer amount of info thats pouring in on top of the fact they probably want to get it out so they can announce 8.3 ahead of the Blizzcon expac announcement.
feral belfry
would things like darkshore, etc end or that like not till 8.3+?
or would just be sort like past content? and you can still do it
tropic trail
you will always be able to do all the warfronts
gameplay wise
lore wise I think there will be a conclusion
flint meteor
cant wait to see the war campaign ending
tropic trail
me 2
flint meteor
im kinda suspicious derek gonna stab
sullen dawn
i would have thought so, wondering if theyll be able to fit in all those plot poitns
doesnt seem like any kul tiras focus, so who will he stab instead of katherine
tropic trail
I hope he stabs Calia
tropic trail
the perfect happy ending for Calia would be, how she confronts the Forsaken , but the Forsaken arent happy wit her, so they use the race ability "cannibalize" on her 
sullen dawn
i think shes kinda cool
tropic trail
I dont
she has like no Character and all she did before was not even anyhow Interesting
She’s already dead though kinda weird for the dead to eat the dead tbh.
Like I understand what you meant but it’s just weird in general for the dead to eat the dead lmfao.
run away from her liabilities as a Princess to marry a guy for her father, instead spread her lags for some random soldier
after the scourge invasion she did the lat 15 years what? lived a "normal" life in safety
nah I was just joking about eating her
The wow life isn’t for everyone 🤷🏻♀️.
Rip Calia
I dont think she get stabbed by Derek, since she has to lead the alliance forsaken
and if so, she will be rezzed once more
terse patrol
what if derek kills jaina
tropic trail
What if Derek just kills everyone and saves us from this faction expansion
feral belfry
must be brewfest
I tried my old hunter
aspect of the chaeta is a joke
so I assume i'm drunk in the game
obtuse vine
@tropic trail and then we go to the shadowlands xd
tropic trail
Yeah and then Bliz gives us more shit raid mogs :(. But it’s worth it.
obtuse vine
True
stiff vector
bonus build!
tropic trail
still everything encrypted?
sudden oak
I just want calia to disappear as a priest I feel shame whenever I see her 
vernal juniper
It will be encrypted till last build, build will be up after server will go down IMO
stiff vector
it'll be encrypted after last build too i think
vernal juniper
you know sometimes they will do small updates before servers go lives
sudden oak
why didnt I stab her before this mess happened 
vernal juniper
there it will be whne they remove the encrypt
vernal juniper
yes probably
anyway patch on 24 probably as I said 1 week ago
this is release patch
they will do a small update before servers go live to unlock everything
vernal juniper
it will 😄
stiff vector
they can decrypt stuff without an update
an update is just for actually changing content on disk
it's already there tho, just encrypted
looks like animation updates in this new build
vernal juniper
so we have no suprices on content when patch will go live
stiff vector
goblin male/female and worgen female anim updates
we'll have a bunch of surprises for sure, tons of stuff is still encrypted
vernal juniper
you mean items?
stiff vector
items, creatures, maps, achievements, world maps
unborn glacier
Quests
vernal juniper
do we know if raf will have a bonus exp this time?
uncut vault
How big of animation changes are we talking?
stiff vector
no idea someone should check
pretty big changes file content wise
might be not that visible
white quartz
The animation changes are pretty big in terms of just flat out looking better for both Worgen and Goblin if thats what you are asking
uncut vault
I mean in this build
white quartz
They are however going to some massive lengths to make sure the war campaign stuff isnt out ahead of time. Also mb
uncut vault
The ones for goblins are very minor on the current updated models
Goblin men especially have almost no change at all, especially their casting anims
junior prairie
@stiff vector Is it just animations this update you've spotted? a lot seem's encrypted still 😭 damn blizz lol
vernal juniper
I think animations are the last problem they have for this patch
they are working on goblins and worges since 2017
maybe earlier
stiff vector
https://wow.tools/builds/diff_new.php?from=11b6444396fbfdd3da8b6527d34e7e6e&to=2b2c7968f12b8905bc858c74edd2dbfd @junior prairie
so out of 114 files 111 are goblin/worgen related
junior prairie
@stiff vector gah could kiss you 😘 thank you
stiff vector
quite a few updates
vernal juniper
yeah final adjustments
is there any way to check on wow.tools if a buff xp has been created for raf?
I nver used it
stiff vector
maybe i guess
white quartz
Yes I just checked. One of the benefits for raf will be 50% bonus xp when teamed up. Not sure what they mean by teamed up but thats what I can find atm
uncut vault
With the person you recruited
white quartz
Cant find anything regarding level caps for it
uncut vault
You get bonus xp while leveling with them
vernal juniper
the old one teamed was "stay in group in 40 yards" like
white quartz
Also thx for explaining that for me Porter. Sometimes Im just dumb
unborn glacier
I doubt it'll be from 1-110. With heirlooms going up to 120, it makes no sense not to have RAF XP go all the way to max lvl
white quartz
Fair point
vernal juniper
it was never to max level, or I remember wrongly?
unborn glacier
If there is a lvl squish next xpac, it'll be interesting to see what they do with Party Sync and the current heirloom system.
white quartz
Im just curious how much 8.2.5 will do in terms of setting the stage for the end of BFA. I can imagine alot is going to happen considering all the hanging plot threads and the fact an 8.3 announcement will likely happen prior to Blizzcon. Im so damn hyped
Also @unborn glacier Do you think they will be able to even get the lvl squish out by the next expac? Ive kinda mulled it over and decided that there is simply too much math and things that need to be changed for it to happen before the 10.0 but maybe Im wrong.
vernal juniper
I guess they both announce 8.3 and 9.0 on blizzcon
with 8.3 avaible 2 weeks after on ptr
an beta on janury ish
storm marsh
Anything new guys?
unborn glacier
I just want to get it over with. I need to know if they really are just using Sylvanas as a throwaway villian or if this really has been some good reason. Don't get me wrong. Carving out a continued existence for the Horde, in blood, I'm all for. But this whole traitorfang and his merry band of idiots being written as the good guys juxtaposed against Sylvanas really pisses me off.
vernal juniper
@storm marsh release candidate
storm marsh
😀
white quartz
Well I mean. Thats alot to announce at Blizzcon not including the rumors of Overwatch 2 or whatever that will be called and D4 will almost definitely be announced at this years Blizzcon with how pissed people were when it wasnt announced last year @vernal juniper
vernal juniper
if they don't announce d4 or ov2 , they maybe announce a new game this time
white quartz
I dont think Sylvanas will be a throw away villain at all @unborn glacier. I have a feeling whatever she is doing is related to her pact with Helya back in Legion that literally everyone points to.
unborn glacier
It has to be
white quartz
I would genuinely be blown away if both or at least one arent shown @vernal juniper. Like... Im pretty sure people would riot if we dont see D4 this year
unborn glacier
And I REALLY want to crush Saurfang and his rebellion
I fucking hate it so much. It's a less cool MoP.
white quartz
I think Saurfang will die in 8.2.5. Honestly I think hes done for and thats the final straw that leads to a full on Horde/Alliance teamup against her. How that goes down..... well I doubt it ends like MoP did
unborn glacier
I expect more "Don't you guys have phones?"
white quartz
I dont think that will happen. That would be an EA-esque move for them to do that again
unborn glacier
Ew. Fuck teaming up. Let me squish this rebellion and keep the Dark Lady in power.
Paint Kalimdor red with the blood of the Alliance and Saurfangs traitor rebels
C:
white quartz
Im going to be honest. From what Ive read from the books and such. I doubt Sylvanas stays head of Horde. Calia will likely take over for her and Sylvanas will lead her own faction outside of the Horde and Alliance
tropic trail
Calia wont 99,99% take over the Forsaken
unborn glacier
Calia leading the Forsaken is super cringy
tropic trail
she will be an AR leader for the alliance
unborn glacier
I could never see it
white quartz
I do however believe the Stormwind is gonna get rolled. From multiple mentions of attacking it in the books such as Before the Storm I have a feeling Stormwind gonna be gone.
I can imagine you are correct on that Tiled however whats kinda leading me to believe she will lead them is once again the book Before the Storm where she almost managed to convince a bunch of Forsaken to switch sides
uncut vault
Look at these two aesthetics that totally match. Totally a fitting racial leader
white quartz
Now dont get me wrong. I doubt the forsaken will ever exist outside of the Horde. However she is now a lightforged undead so who knows what shes on now
tropic trail
and she will convince some FOrsaken again
those forsaken will join her and the alliance
uncut vault
Doesn’t go against everything that makes the Forsaken their own people at all, nope
tropic trail
I dont think this is even worth to be discussed about, because its clear that we get 4 more AR races
unborn glacier
I really loved the Season 2 Horde PvP set
white quartz
You know you are probably correct and I am reading either too deep into the books or just am an idiot but that is just how I think it will go atm.
unborn glacier
That really gave me Forsaken pride
white quartz
You think Calia will lead an AR race? Which one, I honestly dont know what allied race could join that she leads so I apologize if this is stupid question
uncut vault
A lot of the forsaken stuff in the book was made up nonsense by golden
tropic trail
also Stormwind getting attacked is a legit thought, since it was hinted in BtS
uncut vault
And has been ignored in BfA
tropic trail
but that doesnt mean Stormwind will gone
unborn glacier
Ugh. Golden sucks at writing Sylvanas
tropic trail
if that will happen at all, its a reason to remake Stormwind with new textures
test
unborn glacier
I'd trade Stormwind for Lordaeron
tropic trail
Golden wrote actually pretty well Sylvanas in Arthas: Rise of the Lich King
white quartz
I would love that tbh. Please. I really wanna see more places such as Gilneas get an update
zealous basalt
What is the topic today friends
unborn glacier
Let the Alliance take back Lordaeron and Stormwind can be the new Forsaken capital
tropic trail
@white quartz I think Calia will lead just the Alliance version of the Forsaken. Where some Forsaken will betray/leave the Horde and join Calia, because they feel they have a connection to their old lifes/lordaeron.
Also I think those AR undead Race will get the Derek model
too look more like human
white quartz
@tropic trail I can 1000000% see that. Id love that as well. In fact far more then what I said prior
tropic trail
I dont think there will be lightforged Undeads, I think this is a special state for Calia only
white quartz
I just want something big to happen by the end of the expansion that really shakes up the board. I dont think this would happen prior to a lvl squish though
uncut vault
If she’s going to lead alliance undead, I’d rather it be new undead
Alliance forsaken ruins the very name forsaken, along with their entire reason for being horde that isn’t “lol evil”
white quartz
If that happens I will puke. YUCK
tropic trail
I mean that has to happen
they cant name themself forsaken
because they would not be forsaken
you cant be forsaken if the whole alliance accept you again
white quartz
I know. I just HOPE its not redeemed or anything like that
Thats just too on the nose
white quartz
One character who I think will make a bigger appearance soon is Bolvar. Im kinda on the train that thinks he lied when it came to manipulating Voljin.
tropic trail
Yea Bolvar is going to become active
white quartz
I dont think he will be a big threat though until at least the tenth expac. Too much needs to happen in the next expansion such as The Old Gods, The return of the black empire, whatever is happening with the dragonflights, etc.
Thats not even counting Xal'atath and whatever that weirdo has decided she wants to do. Still hate how obvious everything was in the Blade of the Black Empire questline
sullen dawn
i dunno, i keep thinking 10.0 is gonna be a soft story reboot
so bolvar might play out in the same expansion as n'zoth
even if its not shadowlands, i think the next expansion will be equally death and void focused
white quartz
I mean. Thats so much that would have to happen in the span of just one expansion ya know? Thats just so many things that will supposedly be happening @sullen dawn
zealous basalt
Anything new in the release build?
zealous basalt
just daT?
uncut vault
its not like we'd see it if they added anything
tropic trail
Im so excited btw 
probably 8.2.5 next tuesday, maybe the virtual ticket rewards for the gamescom early october (Sylvanas murloc ❤ ) and then blizzcon with all the big ass news
and then...
after blizzcon
zealous basalt
we waits
tropic trail
flint meteor
daheck 6.8 gb?
tropic trail
mh?
flint meteor
the update
uncut lintel
hypee
eager cradle
stiff vector
another ptr build for the ptr gods
tropic trail
what? again a build?
stiff vector
yeah
tropic trail
the 3rd one for today?
stiff vector
yup
tropic trail
HOT
uncut lintel
o------o
zealous basalt
How much now?
stiff vector
2 build increase so probably not much
zealous basalt
i mean weight
stiff vector
~65MB
one asset changed
some nazjatar maptile distance thing
not at all interesting
stiff vector
and the executables changed so likely just fixes for those
zealous basalt
80 mbs
stiff vector
and by that build i mean the one from 2 hours ago
zealous basalt
The release candidate?
stiff vector
no the first ptr build of the night
the first release candidate was the bgdl build
😄
what a day
stiff vector
its mostly automated
i'm doing other stuff
the most effort i have done this new build is tweet a screenshot
zealous basalt
Kinda the wild ride, is this the first time a patch behaves like this?
zealous basalt
I think it was thicker before?
stiff vector
very possible that was one of the changes yeah
zealous basalt
A who?
stiff vector
wont link it in discord but its one of the producers
zealous basalt
Ah
silk cape
100 % patch next week ^^
zealous basalt
I'd say 50/50
zealous basalt
is it=
stiff vector
yes
zealous basalt
how
stiff vector
news post should be up soon
restive pasture
News thing on the launcher
stiff vector
thereitis.gif
sullen dawn
zealous basalt
What a day
restive pasture
might get an announcement/preview of 8.3
keep in mind though that blizzard doesnt usually release raid tiers during christmas time so theres a chance we might not see 8.3 til very early next year
white quartz
Probably not but we will likely get a preview like Coliver said before Blizzcon
round lake
Sweet I was right
white quartz
Why are there so many people saying they hope the war campaign is continued in this patch? They quite clearly have stated it. Donno why but bunch of people are asking on the forums
ionic terrace
I like how everything except the campaign has a picture 😏
restive pasture
people dont like reading details
sullen dawn
Saurfang gonna die :(
restive pasture
Saurfang is gonna be the next warchief, they arent going to kill him.
terse patrol
I could see 8.3 launching in January, but we will see a 8.3 PTR shortly after 8.2.5 launches. (We probably won't see anything in it tho.)
zealous basalt
I don't think Saurfang has it to be a warchief
terse patrol
Wonder when we'll finally get the 8.3 trailer.
sullen dawn
I think the concept of war chief is gonna die also
zealous basalt
Um
ionic terrace
Um
white quartz
8.3 preview will likely be Late October just before Blizzcon. If I had to guess the actual trailer will drop a few weeks later.
zealous basalt
Is the HoA's ilvl boost from magni an automatic thing when you get 120 now or?