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#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
The changes to war campaign rep are great
Making the game slightly more alt friendly
vernal juniper
Black Market Auction House
New enchantment, transmogrifiable gear, and mount listings have been added.
Unclaimed Black Market Auction House Containers will now fully create the item when open or viewed in any way. No peeking!
Removed Grimoire of the Four Winds
more tgc mounts incoming š° ?
vernal juniper
let's hope is 6 years we have only the 2 tgc mounts
ah right
I hope for a rotation of bmah tcg too, same mounts since pandaria...
tropic trail
Patch notes but no release date
stiff vector
truly revolutionary for patches to be on tuesdays
tropic trail
So no Allied Races?
uncut lintel
i dont think so
tropic trail
ofc no allied races...
uncut lintel
next xpac??
tropic trail
you dont gonna see any before the next xpac pre order
uncut lintel
o
upper remnant
maybe for 8.3
uncut lintel
the hype
storm marsh
I'm sure there will be new allied races, its a major bfa feature
hasty elbow
imo the earliest we will see new allied races could be 8.3.5 (early access tie with next expac pre order)
pulsar iris
its not a bfa feature. its just a feature
they said allied races would be added when they feel like it should
flint meteor
ya
storm marsh
Yeah I've been looking at allied race character creation screen. There is space for 2+2 more allied races
uncut lintel
2 on each side -slaps face-
storm marsh
Probably 8.3(.5) and 9.0
tropic trail
I just want the bee mount already
uncut lintel
how do u get it
uncut lintel
o
tropic trail
And you get other rewards through rep this time
sullen dawn
My guess is 8.3.5 and 2 preorder exclusive ones (no idea when)
uncut lintel
i hope 8.2.5 is next week
zealous basalt
Rani
It can't be next week
You can know when a ptr is going to be release when the build has Release instead of Test
vernal juniper
Next week or in 3 weeks are the only avaiable options
tropic trail
or in 3 weeks? what?
uncut lintel
o----------o
tropic trail
next week or on the 1. october is most likely
vernal juniper
can't be 2 weeks
uncut lintel
why cant it
tropic trail
also the release build can still be released this week
vernal juniper
can be but they will be idiots
if they relase the patch on 01 Oct the whine will be overwheling
vernal juniper
With the patch we will have the RAF, the propmotion for saving 50% on BFA ends on 31 september
so if they do so, you need to pay raf full price on 01 October
is mroe logical that they will introduce raf while the 50% promotion is still live to get more licences possible
or release atleast 1 week after the end of the promotion
if they stop the promotion on 30/09 and release the patch 01/10 and you need to pay the full price for 8 hours, it will be a lame and people will whine
ionic terrace
I wonder if they will replace Vol'jin for Brewfest now that they are also replacing the DID on Ally side
vernal juniper
If I need to guess the patch is next week.
Since a lot of people seeing the BFA 50% discount will RAF themself to get new stuffs
zealous basalt
Current build is not release candidate
vernal juniper
this meaning nothing "stubborn"
in the past we have RC 2 days before the release
and this patch is different since everything is hidden to people
I can't remember correctly which one but i'm pretty sure in the past we have RC days before the release day
like 2-4 day max, also I don't know if we have a RC at all this time
Since they want to hide a lot of things
Just an example
8.2.0 30827 Test Test June 14, 2019 June 14, 2019 Marked as release, was pushed to live on June 18 as background download (although incomplete)
14 june RC, download stared 18 june on live
vernal juniper
Yep as I said the more logical thing is next week since they will get a lot of money from RAF till the 50% promotion is still live. If the release will be 2 weeks people will whine infinite since the discount was over 8 hours before the release of the RAF and they need to pay 20$ more, for that reason is more probable IMHO 3 weeks than 2. But hey I can be wrong.
tropic trail
I want Allied Races in 8.3
zealous basalt
we had no build todai
round lake
we dont need a build every week or everyday
night swift
well we haven't had one in weeks cause it was all encrypted
but it comes out in chunks really
mighty wolf
Dere will be no 9.0 at blizzcon, just 8.3 (maybe 8.3.5) 
round lake
this guy
sullen dawn
Wrong
At the very least well get a sneak peek cinematic and expansion name
But more likely is the usual features overview trailer
drifting vessel
they're so gonna give us a sneak peek lol, 8.3 and sneak peek is my bet
sullen dawn
Yeh of the shadowlands leak is true I think it said it would only show the gallywix/mekkatorque cinematic and expansion name
At blizzcon
storm marsh
Hopefully the logo on that leaked map is a placeholder
Tired of green tints
White/black/purple combination would be nice
dull flame
storm marsh
Black/red doesnt sound bad too
storm marsh
I meant something more black with bits of red - vampiric style
If that zone is a death realm
stiff vector
That implies the map is true to begin with š¤
tropic trail
strange falcon
Mythic argus is bright red,
Are you saying normal argus is FortheAlliance and Mythic Argus is for the Horde
š¤
austere gazelle
Death theme is blue
bwonsamdi is blue tinted, Arthas too, Helya too, souls are blue tinted, so I guess the main color will be pale blue
round lake
almost looks like a blue green mix
storm marsh
Better be white/black
tropic trail
Shadowlands isnt a real leak, been disproven already
sullen dawn
It hasn't been disproven
dense plover
The picture has
sullen dawn
They never said war campaign was in 8.3
dense plover
That cinematic screenshot was proven as photoshopped
tropic trail
It was a bad thread on /v/ that got jannied
If the image is faked
What makes you think everything else is ture
sullen dawn
They said sylvanas attacking stormwind would happen in a comic released in late October (presumably after the war is supposedly over)
If the image is fake then sure
tropic trail
Yes, with what army?
sullen dawn
But the war campaign logic isnt a reason
dense plover
The problem is that sylvanas attacking stormwind doesnāt make the leak legit
sullen dawn
I'm not saying it does
dense plover
Theyāve forshadowed that since Before the Storm
Also putting it in a comic would be beyond lame
tropic trail
entire B-plot of the expac is Nzoth
dense plover
That is cinematic material if I ever heard it
sullen dawn
Merely arguing 8.2.5 war campaign finale doesn't disprove the leak
sullen dawn
That's all I'm saying
If the image is shipped that's separate completely and I'd admit its fake
dense plover
Thatās the big thing for me - if next expac isnāt Nzoth I would be genuinely surprised
sullen dawn
I'm not entirely convinced of the leak myself - merely saying unless the image has been proven fake, nothing has changed regarding the leaks validity
dense plover
Only way I could see a shadowlands expac is if Nzoth kills us all, shadowlands expac, then we return to an old god corrupted world
dense plover
To my knowledge, image was proven fake - renders on the water donāt match up with previous cinematics
tropic trail
If everyone comes back
I can totaly see it happen that Nzoth will be dealed in 8.3 and the new xpac is about void or death
dense plover
And the lighting and blur are inconsistent with wow style
If we deal with Nzoth in 8.3 Iāll also be very sad
tropic trail
Things actually need to have weight in storytelling
dense plover
That would be a massive waste
sullen dawn
Ok that feels subjective but I'll take your word for it
sullen dawn
I think it's hard to analyse a still but people better than me at this know better there
So I'll trust their judgement
dense plover
Tbh also doesnāt make much sense
And rendered cinematics donāt come this early in the pipeline
tropic trail
The .3 patch deals with the issue brought up in the prepatch
8.3 will be silithus related
sullen dawn
Tbh mrpeach your giving me good reasons to doubt the leak
dense plover
Iām still betting on dragon isles with a side of Cthun
IE Nzoth freeing the other old gods or consuming them to grow stronger
sullen dawn
I just don't think the 'but the war campaign ends in 8.2.5'is a good reason to doubt it
dense plover
Oh thatās not
Not by itself
But add it on to the load of other small inconsistencies
It starts to add up as a fake
sullen dawn
Sure
dense plover
Itās too complex
The leaks that end up being true are usually simplistic with little detail outside of broad story strokes
sullen dawn
I'm currently sitting at 'quite sceptical, but not convinced fully it's not real'
dense plover
Anything that has a map is bullshit
Anything with screenshots is bullshit
Anything with full expac storyline is bullshit
sullen dawn
I don't think anyone posted the full story
dense plover
And anything thatās supposed to be a dev reference with above average detail is also hullshit
Bullshit
Like that leak with the shadowlands zones
Way too detailed
Clearly bullshit
sullen dawn
Seemed like a concept map
dense plover
Except we have seen concept maps
sullen dawn
The think I doubt the most is the cinematic screenshot
dense plover
They donāt look like that
Look up the old legion concept map
Super basic
And during WoD they showed off the In-depth concept map - itās way more complex than the leaked map
So the leaked map is both too artistic but doesnāt provide enough useful info for devs
They donāt spend art resources on a concept map
They spend it on the zones
Art team works from the zones up
The zones are the foundation and are usually finished before armor, mobs, music, weapons, etc
So anything that shows off any of those other things or things which would be lower priority are bullshit
Always be skeptical
Always assume a leak is fake
And if itās more than a paragraph or two, donāt waste your time
weak bison
dense plover
I think thereās a cool down
If I remember the strings
Not sure how long, probably 24hr
stiff vector
I don't see a string for it off the bat
Names cannont contain spaces. hello yes blizz fix pls
dense plover
Oh ok
Memory is wrong
Might be once then
I really though I saw it
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
stiff vector
It is possible for sure
tropic trail
plz today the release ready build
unborn glacier
@dense plover Bellular has stated him and his team scrutinized the supposed image and they ruled it was a masterful fake or on the up and up. He says his team have confirmed that it appears to match up with previous cinematics, down to the downscaling, colour correction, and refractions.
dense plover
I donāt trust anything from bellular
Iāve heard the opposite from people i talk with
stiff vector
there's been a few masterful fakes already
dense plover
^
This
And again, cinematics usually arenāt done this early
Unless itās in this patch, I really donāt it
Doubt
unborn glacier
@stiff vector no one is saying it's true. But simply saying "Hurr sure 4chan" is simply disingenuous.
dense plover
No one is saying that
My main problem is itās a very intricate fake
Intricacy usually leads to it being fake
terse patrol
Keep in mind how unfinished BFAās zones were in the beta.
Literal white textureless models.
(Also, people have already recreated the models in the ācinematicā screenshot.)
dense plover
^ this
terse patrol
Its funny how all the NPCs in a supposed cinematic are in default poses. Especially the main characters.
terse patrol
The fact we have brand new ghost effects that just came out, and these ānewā ones are worse looking and look like the Flying Dutchman from Spongebob.
dense plover
^ so much this
terse patrol
Ghosts have been blue in Warcraft since Vanilla.
Even the ghosts in Helheim are blue.
frigid crater
they're feeling blue š¦
terse patrol
Some are just flat out white.
But those are the old ghost effects.
The new ones have a fading effect at the legs.
@dense plover So ye, I donāt get why people think its real. @unborn glacier
It clashes with all of Blizzardās design philosophies.
smoky mural
the green is used whit sylvanas valks
smoky mural
yes
terse patrol
smoky mural
unborn glacier
@terse patrol I like how you try to tag me and literally say I believe it's real. How about you stop putting words in mouth. You hate anyone who simply likes the supposed leaks. I have never once said it is real. Not once. I have always taken the stance of they have yet to be proven real. I simply like the leaks and hope some of them become real. Stop being a dick.
summer cobalt
I don't think he did assume that
terse patrol
For someone who doesnāt think itās real, you come to the leaks defense every time.
zealous basalt
He also never said he hated the ones that like leaks
Just that this leak is very bad
And then he proceeded to explain why it was bad
unborn glacier
@terse patrol No. It's called pushback. If you disregard everything, then you become stagnant; an echo chamber of one opinion being repeated over and over. Two things can be true at once.
@zealous basalt Actually, he has gotten in trouble before with the mods for being a dick to those who like the leaks.
dense plover
Disregard means to show no regard
Rebutting multiple aspects of the fake leak is not disregarding
terse patrol
(Typically whenever the leak-likers get extremely upset over people hating the leak.)
dense plover
Itās disproving
terse patrol
Iāve noticed a lot of overlap between Sylvanas fans and āleakā-likers.
terse patrol
You know the sort Iām talking about, though.
dense plover
I just think there are still things to be done with her character
I hope they go the antihero route where she was duped by Nzoth into attacking stormwind to save the horde but it ends up making Nzoths job easier
Where she was unintentionally doing what Nzoth wanted
Like with Illidan and the black temple
terse patrol
ehhh
tropic trail
I like Sylvanas - I like some parts and hate some parts about the leak
dense plover
I think itās the best option - it doesnāt redeem her actions, but doesnāt make her a raid boss
terse patrol
Difference with Illidan is they were able to retcon his most evil actions more cleanly in Legion.
dense plover
Eh - I mean
terse patrol
I donāt see how Sylvanas could remotely be classed as an anti-hero after all of the genocide.
dense plover
He still drained akamas soul and corrupted the temple of karabor
terse patrol
Yeah, but those are individual acts.
dense plover
I mean, do we actually have numbers on how many night elves were killed vs evacuated?
terse patrol
No, but Blizzard used the g-word themselves.
dense plover
Ah
terse patrol
So, I assume a lot.
dense plover
Didnāt know that
I mean, night elves have attempted the same against the orcs
A few times
terse patrol
When? Thatās usually in response to Horde aggression.
Reminder that Tyrande gave the Horde Azshara.
dense plover
I thought horde took it?
terse patrol
Nope.
dense plover
Didnāt night elves attack the horde for cutting trees when they first arrived in ashenvale?
terse patrol
Yes. Thatās the only time they acted with aggression.
dense plover
Ya know what
It doesnāt matter
Yeah the horde led by sylvanas did a bad thing
The objective was sound, the result was fucked up
terse patrol
I mean, Iāll agree with that.
dense plover
The objective was to destroy night elf hope
If Saurfang has killed malfurion, the genocide wouldnāt have happened
terse patrol
Sylvanas did all the terrible stuff with the attack. It wasnāt even just Teldrassil.
dense plover
This all comes back to Saurfang putting himself before the horde
And sylvanas making some bad decisions when angry
terse patrol
Saurfang spares the night elves of Darkshore and Ashenvale after conquering them, and Sylvanas came in from behind and murdered them.
So
dense plover
Because she knows sparing them means they will return to fight the horde
terse patrol
No, they were going to be captured.
tropic trail
I mean at the end of the day, its not that bad at all. Morally wise sure. But from a story perspective in an MMORPG, there died just some random nonamed nelfs in a cinematic/pre event quest.
And thats not worth to kill off an major Story Character
dense plover
I mean
terse patrol
We also see in Darkshore that Sylvanas is rounding elves up into camps gestapo style to be mass killed.
zealous basalt
You know who likes sylvanas too, that boi go ku
terse patrol
Killing Sylvanas is mercy.
dense plover
I think that she should either have been duped by Nzoth or exiled/imprisoned
Exactly
Itās lame
dense plover
There are hundreds of options that are more engaging than killing her
zealous basalt
Revive her
dense plover
Oh I donāt think she should be
zealous basalt
And let her still lead the forsaken
And see if the forsaken still have that feeling of belonging
dense plover
I think she should be knocked down from her pedestal and made to look like a fool
terse patrol
Nah, if she was to be turned human, itāll be confirmed sheās Kerrigan 2.0
dense plover
She fell for nzoths tricks and doomed both the horde and alliance
tropic trail
She doesnt need to be a Hero. an anti hero is enough. Anti heroes arent heros. They do most of the time selffish and evil stuff and end somehow saving someone
terse patrol
Er, turned living*
dense plover
Thatās a sick ass ending
terse patrol
I donāt think Sylvanas deserves to save anyone.
dense plover
Attempted antihero - Iām doing all these bad things for the horde but by doing them I am falling into nzoths trap
terse patrol
If she does, she needs to die in the process.
dense plover
I think if it was convoluted from the beginning
All the way back when Voljin died
Thatās fucking sick
Having like a half flash back
terse patrol
Anyways. This isnāt even the first time she did genocide.
terse patrol
Reminder that she murdered all of Silverpine, Hillsbrad, and Arathi.
dense plover
Having Nzoth be the villain since legion
Especially since the tomb was likely one of the locks on his prison
terse patrol
Sylvanas is a genocide machine.
dense plover
Oh for sure
tropic trail
and?
dense plover
She is evil
terse patrol
She HAS to receive justice.
dense plover
But that doesnāt mean they should just kill her off
Thereās a million ways to do it
tropic trail
Thats an mmorpg and what matters is an interesting story. I couldnt give less a care about nonamed civilians that got killed off
terse patrol
She needs to lose everything.
tropic trail
is not the first time someone did it
dense plover
Exile, imprisonment, torture, some kind of magical curse, etc
tropic trail
and probably not the last time
terse patrol
Right now, her character wonāt grow by just remaining a murder machine. She needs to be brought low.
zealous basalt
@tropic trail das easy to say when you don't quest with them and then you are the reason of why they commit suicide while they are a head of the family
dense plover
Thereās a lot of good ways to move forward
Raid boss isnāt one of them
And they arenāt going to please everyone no matter what they do
tropic trail
How did you quest with those nonamed nelfs in the cinematic?
zealous basalt
That elf girl
dense plover
So the best thing you can do going forward is to make it impactful
Make it matter
Even if people donāt like it
zealous basalt
That's the issue
deft carbon
lol. Looks strange :D Legion artifact weapon
terse patrol
Hence why I hate the leak, partially because they take the WORST possible route with Sylvanas. Which is basically this route.
dense plover
Yeah itās why I donāt think itās real
Especially the whole Bolvar just showing up
terse patrol
Symbolic clatter!
storm marsh
That
zealous basalt
He said that he wasn't part of the living world anymore
tropic trail
I mean, do you truly believe blizzard is going to give you "Justice" against Sylvanas? Im pretty sure they wont
even if shes gonna die
dense plover
They arenāt gonna introduce bolvar out of nowhere - we know that icrcrown is melting and that bolvar is doing something
terse patrol
āI AM HERE, ANDUIN, TO SAVE THE ALLIANCE FROM THE HORDE.ā
dense plover
Thatās future expac material
zealous basalt
Mrpeach
terse patrol
āJust forget that one of my Horsemen is literally an Orc.ā
zealous basalt
Next xpac is going to be Global Warming expac
storm marsh
I think bolvar is saved for necromancer expansion š I want these black/green spells npcs use on island expeditions
terse patrol
I honestly would rather we get Sundering 3 in the form of the Scouring that keeps getting hinted at.
Where Azshara summons a mega storm.
storm marsh
World revamp would be awesome, just without them removing bunch of xmog material like in the past
dense plover
I wish I could just write this for them. Itās so easy to fix the story - and move forward. 1. Nzoth put Sylvanas in charge and she has been doing everything he wanted unintentionally- making Nzoth the bad guy going all the way back to Legion and the Broken Shore Assault. Have dragon isles be the focus of 8.3 with all the dragons feeding the heart and Nzoth using it like a new dragon soul to either free or consume yogg and cthun. 9.0 old god expac - redo some of the old god zones and have the corruption and redemption of the dragonglights be a big focus along with the everpresent threat of the infinite dragon flight - maybe introduce new caverns of time dungeons
From there itās a bit open ended
dense plover
What happens to sylvanas is a bit open ended - personally I would go with appointing a council, executing nathanos in front of sylvanas and then sealing her in some magical vault alone for the rest of eternity
zealous basalt
oh yes
dense plover
A council for the undead
zealous basalt
kill fucc boi
dense plover
She loved him - he is the only thing she cares about anymore
Killing him and locking her away alone would be what she deserves
terse patrol
Bolvar is corrupted by Yogg, takes the place of Lich King (cue the Yogg theme when heās crowned). He orders the Valākyr to aid Sylvanas, but in truth, all the undead sheās been raising have a āswitchā in them that will turn them to his service when the time is right.
dense plover
Eternal damnation worse than death
terse patrol
Sylvanas unwittingly marches around raising an army for the God of Death.
dense plover
New LK expac is meh
tropic trail
sealing sylvanas in some magical vault alone for the rest of eternity is just straight dumb. Why just dont kill her off then? If you are talking about wasting potention on a Character, you just did it by yourself
dense plover
I think focusing on Nzoth as the big bad is more important - firstly he is the only free old god we have ever encountered - second we havenāt fought him ever
Because itās like Illidan
If you ever need her for a story she is available
dense plover
Yogg isnāt free tho
Nzoth is
Going back to yogg without focusing on Nzoth is dumb
Thatās why Iām saying he should free the other 2
Then we get 3 released old gods
storm marsh
Blizzard cant just put an enormous model in-game, right? š
zealous basalt
Would it mean
tropic trail
like one thing I am sure about, there wont be a "prison for eternity" for Sylvanas.
If Sylvanas has to die next xpac, she will get most likely an death that will please her fanbase, and not give the other guice their "revenge"
terse patrol
@dense plover Itās why I think the Lich King will have forces in the Dragon Isles.
dense plover
Who we are now actively looking for
zealous basalt
that a new aspects would arise?
dense plover
No
dense plover
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
zealous basalt
Would be nice if they go like that
dense plover
I think we should limit ourselves - wasting bolvar during an old god expac is a waste
storm marsh
Yeah
dense plover
Would be useful for the expac after
Thatās two expacs worth of material instead of shoving it all in one
terse patrol
I think in one of the zones of the Dragon Isles, the Lich King will be murdering dragons for mysterious reasons. Likely Red Dragons.
dense plover
Or it could be good patch content - like thunderking style patch
terse patrol
And raising them.
terse patrol
I mean, it would make sense. All of the LK related stuff lately has been in reference to him murderating dragons.
dense plover
Dragonflight and old gods is enough
Thereās been a few bits
To the same level of Nzoth in legion
terse patrol
Iām saying they use him in the Dragon Isles as a prelude to Wrath 2.0
dense plover
I think having him start to get involved in 9.0 and then become a big focus by 10.0 is smart
dense plover
I think we should save Wrath 2 for 2 expacs from now
zealous basalt
And to think WoW still has that strenght
storm marsh
Yeah
dense plover
Next expac - old gods, Nzoth, nyalotha maybe, infinite flight
dense plover
After - bolvar, nerubuan stuff, maybe void stuff to tie into 11.0
zealous basalt
that I feel that it's impressive that Wow can continue
dense plover
Or, out of nowhere expac
zealous basalt
Even if there are new game styles
terse patrol
The story doesnāt need to be good to them, as long as people are playing.
dense plover
Where we have no frame of reference
terse patrol
And lets be honest.
dense plover
Like with pandaria
terse patrol
The lore people are a minority.
zealous basalt
Even if there are people that make games that act like "WoW killer2
dense plover
I mean If there was a lore scale, Legion had a 10, maybe a 9.5, BfA is probably a solid 7.3
Itās not bad
Warlords was at best a 4
terse patrol
ehh
dense plover
Cata was like 5.6
terse patrol
Legion is an 8 at best.
zealous basalt
Remember Legion had to retcon many things
terse patrol
Argus was an abortion of a patch lorewise.
zealous basalt
Kek
dense plover
It wasnāt very deep
zealous basalt
Argus felt like a rush
terse patrol
All I got to say is Sargerite Keystone.
dense plover
Definitely felt like a waste of Argus itself if we donāt go back
zealous basalt
How can we go back to Argus
tropic trail
oh man, I feel like preach is gonna be really disappointed if 8.3 will be Nya'alotha
tropic trail
I wouldnt be that sure
zealous basalt
Dragon isles and Nya'lotha
dense plover
0% chance they would waste that on a patch
tropic trail
0%? haha no
dense plover
It may not even be a real place
tropic trail
its a 50:50
dense plover
Thatās like entire continent thing
zealous basalt
Isn't ny'alotha a place of lucid dreams?
dense plover
We donāt know
terse patrol
āWe the Legion have an artifact that can take us to literally anywhere in the universe.ā āWh-Why havenāt we used it?ā āWhat? Thatād be cheating. Sargeras is going to float towards Azeroth super slowly instead.ā
zealous basalt
It won't surprise me if it exists on the same realm of the Emerald dream
dense plover
No
They explained that
Sargeras canāt fit
The amount of energy needed is far more than they can acquire
hasty elbow
imo dragon isles could be set up for expac, like they have done with broken isles
terse patrol
Why didnāt the Legion and their infinite army use it?
dense plover
Thatās what they were trying to do at the jighthold
zealous basalt
Illidank stole it
dense plover
Use the eye of amanthul and the night well combined with Illidans power to open a bit enough portal
terse patrol
So, Illidank can just toss it at the sky and make the big thing happen.
dense plover
We stopped them
terse patrol
But the Legion canāt.
dense plover
We stopped them
We literally fought a raid to stop them
Then Illidan used the partial charge to open a portal big enough for us
zealous basalt
Illidan had the energy of Kil'jaenden flagship tho
terse patrol
So Gulādan isnāt strong enough to do it in the half second it takes Illidan to.
dense plover
The one Illidan made wasnāt Sargeras strength
Read what Iām writing
The one Illidan opened is big but it isnāt Sargeras big
Not at first
zealous basalt
And didn't Gul'dan opened a portal either?
dense plover
Thatās why there are the clouds around azeroth
dense plover
Argus and the titans were being used to allow Sargeras through
zealous basalt
I hate they scrapped that part of Antorus
dense plover
It was in the dialogue
zealous basalt
Where they all explain why Sargeras coverd Azeroth
dense plover
No clue why they didnāt implement it
terse patrol
Argus was a boring mess. Three zones, and two use the same assets.
dense plover
IMO still canon
zealous basalt
Ye
dense plover
I enjoyed the gameplay
zealous basalt
But idk why they didn't
dense plover
I think it couldāve been more impactful
zealous basalt
I liked the Sentinax in Antoran Wastes
dense plover
Probably because they felt like it was too Deus Ex Macchina for Magni to know
terse patrol
Rumor is, Argus was the remnants of a canceled Argus expansion.
zealous basalt
I wonder if legion's team reached that point where the time was up
terse patrol
Argus should have been an entire expansion.
dense plover
They mightāve been planning for it but didnāt realize how burnt out people were getting
zealous basalt
It would be three expacs about the legion
dense plover
I wouldnāt be surprised if they go back at some point
dense plover
I g2g, Iāll talk later
languid yoke
owo?
terse patrol
If we get a RC build this week, itāll be basically confirmed weāre getting a launch next week.
But I doubt it
languid yoke
he's not wrong, but on which day does he think patch will release, sunday? 
stiff vector
when does brewfest start
terse patrol
20th I think
stiff vector
oof
zealous basalt
...gods
stiff vector
well hey i'll say this much
if they release it this week that'll be interesting for sure.
makes muffinus's tweet funny in retrospect
zealous basalt
A toal surprise too
storm marsh
Isnt it a bit too late for this week?
stiff vector
there is a 2 hour maintenance tomorrow but that appears to be for all of bnet
so doubt it
storm marsh
Probably next week
zealous basalt
This patch will go down in history
storm marsh
Maybe they planned to release it before so that it can be ready for brewfest
zealous basalt
as the weirdest patch
stiff vector
the DDOS cost them a few days of deploys i think
but that wouldn't delay a patch
maybe classic required too much attention
terse patrol
Yeah, the art team would still be working.
long blade
yikes the sylvannas hate is real
terse patrol
When Blizzard said Classic wouldnāt effect retail, I called it a lie immediately.
Wouldnāt surprise me.
stiff vector
i mean it was literally all hands on deck
i've seen 3 people say the whole WoW team was on classic for a bit there
which wouldn't be a surprise to me neither no
seems like they did just decide that this version of retail is going to be the final 8.2.0 one
zealous basalt
Hax
zealous basalt
Wym no more 8.2?
stiff vector
they just promoted it to the event 3 branch which is usually used for things like pvp events
so stuff stays at a specific version
inner copper
8.2 is already live game
stiff vector
exactly
inner copper
You mean 8.2.5 right?
stiff vector
no
inner copper
???
storm marsh
He misspeled that
zealous basalt
Can you please explain what is this of event branch?
storm marsh
Wait
stiff vector
let me explain
we haven't seen it used a lot yet so a lot of guesswork still
but in the past it has been used for ongoing events
e.g. a tournament is happening while a new patch comes out
obviously you don't want the tournament to be disrupted
so they just push the current live build to some other branch so they can still use it
not sure if any event is ongoing atm
zealous basalt
The MDI just happened
zealous basalt
Oh
stiff vector
that doesn't seem to be the case for the build that was on this branch before this tho
soooo maybe i'm full of shit
it does seem like a thing they would only do when a new patch is soon tho
so maybe two weeks
maybe next week, we'll see
zealous basalt
This has been
A wild ride
Like
This patch Is kjst
Secrets and secrets
It makes things interesting though
stiff vector
definitely
i love more stuff being encrypted
makes the search for interesting things more focused
zealous basalt
Although it's kinda worrying
stiff vector
"hey hey hey dont look at this shit" -blizzard
zealous basalt
Considering the thing with the war campaign
languid yoke
on one hand I don't mind the secrecy about war campaign because other MMOs like Guild Wars 2 or FF14 don't have you test (and spoiler yourself with) the story beforehand
the big issue is how bad blizzard handled the war campaign especially in 8.1
then again, we wouldn't have the loyalist/traitor nonsense if blizzard never had war campaign on test servers
night swift
Blizzard probably had a whole other story planned, but maybe had to change it because of backlash from the saurfang quest
zealous basalt
Yr
tropic trail
zealous basalt
ANOTHER ANOUNCEMENT
tropic trail
unbelieveable that I have to touch my only alliance character to get that (120 void elf)
dense plover
Pretty sure both factions can use it tho
Itās just a grind to unlock the faction and then a grind to unlock the mount
Definitely the kind of thing to come back to in an expac if you want to
zealous basalt
Next couple weeks
tropic trail
looks like 1.10
dense plover
My guess is Next week with an announcement tomorrow or Friday
Then 8.3 on ptr 2 weeks before Blizzcon
Or at least an 8.3 livestream then
dense plover
No one remembers the wait for warlords or the wait for legion
Or even the wait for the awful 6.1 patch
zealous basalt
I was being funny
tropic trail
I didnt cared about WoD because the Story didnt make me care
so the wait wasnt that bad for me
stiff vector
someone pointed out theres a pvp event on saturday
that might be what the event 3 build was for
not sure why they'd do that if it was only saturday tho
uncut lintel
i want butterfly pet š®
terse patrol
@stiff vector what pvp event?
stiff vector
terse patrol
Ah, Summer Finals.
Yeah, I think itāll launch next week then.
Once finals are over.
tropic trail
What do you guys think about the bee mount only useable by alliance? I think itās great because the horde have so many cool mounts I wish I could use. Lol
its also useable for the Horde, if you have an alliance character
zealous basalt
It not only usable for the alliance
stiff vector
PTR down
storm marsh
In the official patch notes, it is said that the mount can be used by both factions
And #hype
tropic trail
nuh Im gonna do it next xpac
I did literally nothing with my 120 alliance char, I dont have even rep with him
stiff vector
back up with newer build
tropic trail
so new build?
languid yoke
is the legendary friday build gonna be real
silk cape
tropic trail
I think having all mounts cross faction would be nice as long as you get it with said faction why not
ionic terrace
tropic trail
ionic terrace
storm marsh
What
tropic trail
uncut lintel
rip
zealous basalt
Wonder if we will have a build soon
stiff vector
It feels likely
uncut lintel
if a build comes out like tommorow what does it mean
zealous basalt
It depends
stiff vector
That it's still probably next week
uncut lintel
o
ionic terrace
what build number is it?
zealous basalt
31812
ionic terrace
well, realm number I suppose
stiff vector
31884
ionic terrace
š
zealous basalt
Am somehow hyped
ionic terrace
I doubt campaign will be playable until live tbh
stiff vector
maybe
tropic trail
ionic terrace
Not out yet
stiff vector
maybe not
tropic trail
dont say maybe not
ionic terrace
maybe not
tropic trail
uncut lintel
lol
zealous basalt
maybe not
ionic terrace
maybe knot
uncut lintel
o - o
uncut vault
uncut lintel
ā¤ _ ā¤
sullen dawn
Maybe baby
zealous basalt
someone wrote here
mystic heart
@zealous basalt servers still off
ionic terrace
I just realized Rohkan got new armor
zealous basalt
Did he
uncut lintel
ehmm
tropic trail
I just realised they can keep the servers now offline , like until next tuesday
for last testings, then we will get our release ready build
and on 1. 10 release
zealous basalt
1.10?
tropic trail
1 october
stiff vector
Pushed to vendor again
storm marsh
Well
stiff vector
Might not be tonight
dense plover
Might be tomorrow or Friday
Tomorrow might make sense
I feel like they are just trying to make sure everything works internally before releasing it and thatās why we havenāt gotten a release date
tropic trail
tropic trail
What ?
tropic trail
Well yea
uncut lintel
o-o
ionic terrace
i mean the build is still a test build
mystic heart
š¦
tropic trail
So Then 1 Oktober ist save. Sadly Not sooner
uncut lintel
rip
tropic trail
F
uncut lintel
; - ;
terse patrol
zealous basalt
Damn
zealous basalt
Any news
uncut lintel
its nothing
storm marsh
They just posted a list of new items on bmah
It really feels like its dropping next reset
summer cobalt
tusks
ionic terrace
TUSKS
summer cobalt
inb4 i get tusks on my rogue from a box
zealous basalt
what tusk
pulsar iris
Garroshes
summer cobalt
from a BMAH box
meager zodiac
forest sphinx
Where are we at PTR wise?
vast remnant
something new guys?
frigid crater
š
stiff vector
nothing seemingly huge
haven't gone through all dbc changes but most file changes seem harmless/not interesting
uncut vault
weird that theyd put something so small out, and not do release build
round lake
not really weird
vernal juniper
cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnn blizzard
8years with the same 3 tgc mounts on bmah... not hard to adds some items id
vernal juniper
8 years with the same rocket, turtle and rhino... and over 10 more tcg out of the game. Why they don't rotate them
tranquil steeple
isn't the spectral tiger also a tgc mount
inner copper
Yeah but out of the game right?
Wasnāt it that you could buy it in the black market? I heard about that before, I donāt remember where
tranquil steeple
idk I don't pay that much to the bmah, so if it can show up there, it hasn't been there the times I've checked
I have seen it at the normal AH though
tranquil steeple
nope
account-wide to use once learned, but not soulbound or account bound item used to learn
flint meteor
anything related to the war campaign aint gonna be put on ptr
the other stuff thou they shoulda atleast let ppl test
dense plover
They have?
Bee mount is there
Party sync is there
Wrathion quest is there
Theyāve been there since the early ptr patches
zealous basalt
So something about party sick kinda confused me
Can I team up with a friend the moment he starts the char at 0 and just level all the way with him even if my character didn't do the starting quests?
dense plover
I think it might have a minimum level or quest
I believe level 5 or 10
Like you can join them before but canāt do the starting quests
steel venture
actually, someone showed a screenshot of the blackrock worg quests
so yes, starting zone quests are available through party sync
so its literally, you could basically re-level with your friend in a way.
dense plover
Huh
steel venture
although you get capped at 20 in areas like elwynn.
basically with the new scaling system its not like you're gonna swipe any XP from a friend during party sync anyway.
dense plover
@stiff vector do we have a list of the strings related to party sync?
Well it treats you as being the same level
But you get level appropriate rewards
Not exactly sure what rewards tbh
Havenāt tested
steel venture
That was someone's screencap of the literal first human quest with the system active.
On a 120.
dense plover
Ah it gives a cache
No clue whatās in there
Probably war resources and AP
Also thatās so much gold
There has to be a cooldown or something
Otherwise people are just going to farm low level quests
steel venture
Probably not that different from the BG Caches.
And there is, IIRC. It's not like you can repeat the lowbie rewards by hooking up with a bunch of your friends.
"Quests can be replayed for rewards once a day."
So you can't just do the same blackrock worg quest over and over and over.
steel venture
And the follower missions / doing 120 content still gives more consistent gold.
dense plover
Oh for sure
But the amount is definitely nice
Also means that like - if someone needs help, you donāt have to hop on an alt
They just invite you, you sync down and they do it with you
Icecrown became less awful
tropic trail
So I expect some news today on the wow homepage about the 8.2.5 patch. Maybe the War campaign with a small preview. (without any spoilers obviously)
dense plover
Doubtful
I expect them to not talk about it at all
Theyāve been hiding it on purpose
Iām hoping we get a date announcement
stiff vector
@dense plover check globalstrings db on WoW.tools and filter on quest_sync (I think)
sullen dawn
blogpost should be in a few mins right (if we're getting one)?
languid yoke
blogpost is when they feel like it
dense plover
^
vernal juniper
interesting point form Bellular and cancellation of 8.3
vernal juniper
?
he said, they already did in the past with wod
and 6.3 if I'm not wrong
to cut off the losses form the expantion
zealous basalt
What losses
vernal juniper
he also said that the timing if they cancel the path
will be similar to argus final patch
money š losses
zealous basalt
Blizz ain't losing money atm boah
vernal juniper
just watch his video, I'm not english mothertongue and I do a lot of miskates š
from minute 11
sullen dawn
Hes just clickbaiting
vernal juniper
probably yes but it make sense
sullen dawn
Bellular knows how to get views. Don't get me wrong I think hes a smart guy but his style has changed more towards just generating talk
tranquil steeple
not to mention it's what he speculates is the case, based on how wod went
vernal juniper
i've stopped the video before but he said my same point of view
don't you think it will be to much to give us a huge 8.3 around january and give to us the beta too around jan/feb?
seems to be an insane amount of work
vernal juniper
kt?
zealous basalt
Half year of content drought
vernal juniper
kt stands for?
vernal juniper
For what blizzard said, we will have a 8.3. For what I think we maybe will have not one
zealous basalt
Retail is by no means dead
vernal juniper
Retail will do a ton of money next month
with RAF
and new second accounts for new rewards
zealous basalt
To think retail is dead is just being delusional, it had its lows and ups
But with classic out it got more peebs as well
languid yoke
8.3 in january would be fine if the raid release is also at the same time
so it's timed almost like argus without staggered content release
obtuse vine
My ptr starter updating, right now, Iām not sure if itās a new build or just my pc being couple days behind
languid yoke
people are just being people and if it didn't give him a view I'd go on every bellular vid and downvote it
because of how annoying he's gotten
dense plover
There is a 0% chance of not getting 8.3
tranquil steeple
do I even wanna know, mak?
vernal juniper
@languid yoke Sure, for timing is ok. But what about the work on beta? If they release 8.3 on January they probably release beta too.
zealous basalt
I don't think more beta time means something
dense plover
And they donāt plan to
languid yoke
what if the xpac releases in september this time š
dense plover
Exactly
zealous basalt
What you need in a beta is focus
dense plover
It might
zealous basalt
Not time
dense plover
^
vernal juniper
depends on when they want to release the patch
languid yoke
also the teams working on bfa and 9.0 are different
zealous basalt
I MEAN IT LAUNCHES AUG 30
dense plover
Beta of Legion was perfect
languid yoke
basically everyone knows that
zealous basalt
Might as well get it in Sept 10
zealous basalt
Peach, Sel
dense plover
They locked off stuff to test specific stuff each week
tranquil steeple
focus, people ACTUALLY TESTING, feedback being listened to and things getting adjusted accordingly where necessary
dense plover
It was smart