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dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:45 PM

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its why they dont like undead

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theyre difficult to manipulate

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vs making their own insect race, or manipulating the denizens of azeroth or even the elemental lords is easier and far more productive

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Yet everyone thinks Sylv works with N'zoth

broken kraken Sep 7, 2019, 5:46 PM

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when do worgen models come to live?

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:46 PM

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8.2.25

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 5:46 PM

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2 weeksish? we think before 20th

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:46 PM

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.5* not 25

feral belfry Sep 7, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Is 8.2.5 not behind?

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:47 PM

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we is at 8.2

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 5:47 PM

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we have no reason to think it's 'behind'

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:47 PM

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I still see the sylvanas story as this: she tricks the horde and alliance into defending thunderbluff, meanwhile she fires the cannon in azshara and begins to assault stormwind, horde and alliance go there to defend, uniting everyone in one place, as like, nzoth shows up to try and destroy all of us. We then get like, a flashback of sylvanas seeing this from the dagger, and she is prepared, she pushes back nzoth, sending him reeling - we think everything is good but he is faking, goes to wake up and release the other two old gods, BAM next expac

feral belfry Sep 7, 2019, 5:47 PM

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I don't follow things that close but I was getting the impressions that 2.5 been really slow with ptr updates

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 5:47 PM

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they've just been more secretitve than usual

feral belfry Sep 7, 2019, 5:47 PM

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ahh

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:48 PM

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its not slow

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just encyrpted

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 5:48 PM

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could be a policy shift towards testing systems before story

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they mentioned they wanted to do that for next expansion

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:48 PM

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my guess is its because of the secrets theyre trying to keep

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 5:48 PM

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could be cos its heavy spoiler territory

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aye

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could be cos party sync is such a big thing techincally

feral belfry Sep 7, 2019, 5:49 PM

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that is cool I'm for that 🙂

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as long does not harm and slow things down lol

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 5:49 PM

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nah

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i doubt thats the case

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:50 PM

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its almost definitely coming the 17th

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we will probably get a date next week

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 5:50 PM

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yeh the pirate day thing is a dead giveaway

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Peech

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If they do that kinda system

tropic trail Sep 7, 2019, 5:50 PM

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how could Sylvanas see anything coming from the dagger?

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anything that could help her fighting against Nzoth?

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the dagger is basically Nzoth now

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it serves his will

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Based on wat

tropic trail Sep 7, 2019, 5:51 PM

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based on what preach just said

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:51 PM

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but ye if they do that system

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I'll remake my chars to re-learn

feral belfry Sep 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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I heard the other day on this discord raf was in but I assume will be in not in right?

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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because nzoth my dude

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nzoth plans 6 steps ahead

feral belfry Sep 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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raf back in 8.2.5 I'm guessing?

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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thats why he goes to release the other 2 old gods

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Isn't N'zoth like

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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he makes us think we won

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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The weakest of all?

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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but we lose

tropic trail Sep 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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so Nzoth plans to show Sylvanas how hes attacking everyone?

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why?

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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how he is "attacking"

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Because you think you know

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but you don't

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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in order to trick her into doing actions that leave the other two old gods unprotected

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Bait

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Bait and Switch even

tropic trail Sep 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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but arent they already unprotected?

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Not really strange of him

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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definitely not cthun

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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C'thun is near the sword

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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chamber of heart is right there

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all of the cenarion circle

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Any weird move and magni will be like "CHAMPION"

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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^

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:54 PM

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"GO CHECK DA SHITE"

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:54 PM

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she needs to get Magni to come to her

tropic trail Sep 7, 2019, 5:54 PM

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haha true 😄

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Yoggy is in Ulduar

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:54 PM

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firing a massive azerite cannon would do that

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:54 PM

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So really protected

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:54 PM

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he might go for the chamber of heart instead

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idk

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Probably going for 2?

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C'thun and HearT?

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:55 PM

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the general point i had was sylvanas doing what shes doing because she was given a vision which she thinks is correct, but he tricks her and now his objective is left undefended

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maybe he wants to consume cthun and grow stronger

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honestly after the whole trick sylvanas thing theres a bunch of pathways

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but it makes sylvanas less of a villain and more of an antihero who was duped (like illidan with sargeras) and then makes nzoths actions not only more consequential, but more interesting and plot relevant.

tropic trail Sep 7, 2019, 5:57 PM

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I would like that for sure more then making her work with an old god

flint meteor Sep 7, 2019, 5:57 PM

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whatever coming next, will be prob good

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im hyped for bfa ending and next xpac

tropic trail Sep 7, 2019, 5:58 PM

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but that Sylvanas chinese voice actress tweet makes me still think

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:58 PM

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im still hoping for dragon isles as 8.3 zone

tropic trail Sep 7, 2019, 5:58 PM

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thats very likely, since 8.3 will be old god related

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 5:58 PM

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it would fill a serious lore niche and could tie nzoth further into the 9.0 story arc

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almost guaranteed

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Ye

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I just hope Blizz doesn't fuck the dragons more as they are

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:47 PM

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you know thinking of dragon isles, what would you like to see zone/theme/lore wise?

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It'd be cool if the introduced some 'missing links' of the dragon origins stories

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:47 PM

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A way to restore their reproductive capabilities and giving them a part of their lost power is what i want

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:48 PM

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like why the dragons have such an affinity with elf form - maybe have some more tribal high elves who never made it as far as quel'thalas and live on the dragon isle highlands

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:48 PM

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i want to see the death of nozdormu and the birth of moruzond

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Oh

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that's easy to explain

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High elves look more royalish

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:48 PM

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and i want to see a bigger, more primal version of the different dragon flight locations in dragonblight

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but like, actual dedicated zones with structures, and civilization

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:49 PM

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that word, primal is important for the zone i think mrpeach

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:49 PM

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and ofc that big squid shell thing

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oh for sure

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i think we also need to see some drakes and other levels of dragonkin

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maybe lower than drakes

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some kind of wyrm

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:49 PM

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defo!

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:49 PM

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We should have really wyrms

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and not just bigger dragons

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Also new models plox

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:50 PM

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I'd like to learn about the early days of the dragons too, a bit more about galakrond?

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:50 PM

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if we get dragon isles, we can expect updated dragonkin for sure

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tbh not much to learn

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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i always really found him interesting

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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He was a big bully

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That ate to much and grew

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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big dragon, lots of lesser dragons, killed the big one, earned the faith of the titans and got empowered

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Ate more than he should though

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I'd love to see a model of him

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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hes the first one too tho right?

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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maybe?

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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first dragon i mean

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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chicken vs egg

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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proto

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All dragons were protos before

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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were there dragons before galakrond, probably

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galakrond was just better

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:52 PM

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evil*

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:52 PM

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he's often called the 'progenitor of dragon-kind'

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Honestly though

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I'd love to see flashbacks of how the aspects behaved with the others

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Like

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:52 PM

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yes!!

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:53 PM

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I'd love to see that comedic duo of Neltharion and Malygos

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:53 PM

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😄

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:53 PM

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well, bronze drakes

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especially if the infinite flight finally happens

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weve been waiting a long time for them

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:54 PM

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think Thrall will go dragon isles?

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:54 PM

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y would he

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:54 PM

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kinda tying it back to cata

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:54 PM

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ofc once murozond exists we can never fight him as a boss

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:55 PM

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I'd love to see Anduin with Wrathion after what happened in After MoP

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:55 PM

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because we killed him in the past

sullen dawn Sep 7, 2019, 6:55 PM

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bow-chika-wow-wow

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:55 PM

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future

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:55 PM

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i mean, we can fight him, but like, we cant defeat him

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well, past future

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either way we cant kill him because that destiny already exists

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its in our character's past

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so it has to happen

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:55 PM

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future

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:56 PM

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no, theres an echo of your future

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but when you fight murozond, its your past

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its in the future

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but you were brought from the past

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:56 PM

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i KNO

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im messing with you

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:56 PM

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if our characters have a memory, its linear, ie, we remember defeating murozond around lvl 80

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:56 PM

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85

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:56 PM

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its very weird

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either way, we NEED to see the formation of the infinite flight

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theyve shown up on the islands

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:57 PM

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I mean

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We know how could it happen

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:57 PM

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not to mention theres something going on with twilight dragons

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:57 PM

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But that destiny kinda died already

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:57 PM

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and thats probably where thats coming from too

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:57 PM

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rememver that vision?

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With Soridormi dying?

dense plover Sep 7, 2019, 6:59 PM

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yep

zealous basalt Sep 7, 2019, 6:59 PM

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I think it might be one of the triggers

ionic terrace Sep 7, 2019, 7:06 PM

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😐

zealous basalt Sep 8, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Does someone know what the book is for?

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dense plover Sep 8, 2019, 4:30 PM

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probably just a generic asset or something

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not everything is important

sullen dawn Sep 8, 2019, 4:30 PM

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but what does the flower on the right mean?

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joking aside - probably just placed for flavour, i doubt much thought went into it

hasty elbow Sep 9, 2019, 7:59 AM

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if Dragon isle is 8.3 then 9.0 could be Shadowland?

storm marsh Sep 9, 2019, 8:54 AM

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Most likely

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And sw raid

hasty elbow Sep 9, 2019, 9:37 AM

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if Nozdormu got corrupted to be Murozond & N'zoth + Azshara = could it be another time travel expansion/contents?, may be ancient kalimdor expac? 😄

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but i doubt they would do another time travel expac after WoD...

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 9:43 AM

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I would love another time travel expac where Sylvanas goes back before Arthas invaded Silvermoon, becomes the Queen of the Golden High elves and attacks everyone

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Khehe

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or, she gets frostmourne by herself, transform all high elves into dark rangers

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and creates the iron.. forsaken?

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no, she creates the Dark elves

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dancegif

storm marsh Sep 9, 2019, 9:45 AM

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1 of the upcoming expansions will 100% be some kind of time travel/caverns of time centered with infinite dragonflight being the villians

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 9:45 AM

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I hope so

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I actually really like time travel

storm marsh Sep 9, 2019, 9:46 AM

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Murozond said there will come a time when we will fight him

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Actually

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Nozdormu

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 9:46 AM

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I mean, the next xpac could also be very likely World of Warcraft: Endtime

storm marsh Sep 9, 2019, 9:47 AM

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That is a good name.tho

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 9:47 AM

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yea

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Endtime, Shadowlands, Black Empire are the most likely scenarios I can think of

sullen dawn Sep 9, 2019, 10:46 AM

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I think well get ancient kalimdor but not for a few more expansions

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Order I think is likely is: 9.0 shadowlands/black empire (prolly both - shadowlands core with NY'alotha 9.3), 10.0 reorigination(world remake and level squish - evergreening/flattening wow moving forward), 11.0 ancient kalimdor inc. Zin'azhari, 12.0 light vs void space bois

storm marsh Sep 9, 2019, 11:01 AM

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I would like ancient azeroth

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Highborne and azshara are interesting

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Always have been

terse patrol Sep 9, 2019, 12:21 PM

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AU High Elf Sylvanas fights MU undead Sylvanas. 😛

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 12:26 PM

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would be funny

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 12:34 PM

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Tbh I don’t want a time travel expac

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Nozdormu becoming murozond could absolutely lead to more caverns of time type dungeons tho

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Which imo are much less complicated and easier to comprehend

languid yoke Sep 9, 2019, 12:46 PM

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I'm always up for more CoT dungeons

terse patrol Sep 9, 2019, 1:10 PM

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tbh, what would be woke is if Murozond appeared in our own timeline to try and change something.

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@dense plover

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 1:10 PM

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That happened in the past

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What I want to see is Nozdormu transforming into Murozond

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And the beginning of the infinite flight

terse patrol Sep 9, 2019, 1:11 PM

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What I suspect is

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The Dragon Isles will be split between islands for each Flight maybe?

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And we’ll have to handle situations at each.

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With the Bronze isle being taken over by the Infinite.

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Maybe the Red isle taken by the void dragons.

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Twilight drakes are still black dragons I think

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At least according to the islands

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So the way to do that is have still healthy black dragons on the dragon isles that are being corrupted

terse patrol Sep 9, 2019, 1:13 PM

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I think we’ll meet those black dragons from the island expeditions. I hope they aren’t just baddies.

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Black dragonflight is the only one that didn’t give up power and can still breed

terse patrol Sep 9, 2019, 1:14 PM

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I wonder who the factions will be.

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Will it be Ebonhorn for Horde and Wrathion for Alliance? Or something else?

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Probably just one or two - my guess would be dragon faction, and then some kind of faction unification rep assuming we are going that route

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Otherwise probably some kind of time defender faction and a black dragonflight faction

terse patrol Sep 9, 2019, 1:15 PM

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ye maybe

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Assuming they don’t go somewhere totally unexpected

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We will probably know early October

terse patrol Sep 9, 2019, 1:16 PM

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I really hope we get info about 8.3 soon. Things have been really quiet lately.

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 1:16 PM

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I suspect a livestream so Blizzcon can be focused on 9.0

terse patrol Sep 9, 2019, 1:16 PM

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I think we MIGHT get a stream announcement this week.

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Since next week is the suspected launch date for 8.2.5

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Doubtful - my guess is we get a 8.2.5 release announcement

terse patrol Sep 9, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Thats what I meant

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Then a week or two after we get 8.3 twitch stream

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I don’t think they’ll do a stream

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I think it will just be a news post

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For 8.2.5

terse patrol Sep 9, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Yeah probably. Unless they want to double it up. Announce 8.2.5’s release date, and upcoming 8.3. Have they done that before?

storm marsh Sep 9, 2019, 1:18 PM

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I feel like 8.2.5 is coming in october

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 1:19 PM

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No way

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Literally impossible

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That would be way too long

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And would defeat the point of updating the holiday stuff

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They’ve been quiet because they are hiding stuff

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Not because they aren’t going to finish the patch

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Im really hoping for the 8.2.5 announcement tomorrow or at least wednesday

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Im sick already of all the waiting

uncut lintel Sep 9, 2019, 1:43 PM

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same

sullen dawn Sep 9, 2019, 1:57 PM

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also

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we should get blizzcon virtual ticket order (and reward announcements) soon right?

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 2:03 PM

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yea

hasty elbow Sep 9, 2019, 2:45 PM

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i think i saw they said in that blizzcon 2019 key art tweet that virtual ticket will coming next month

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sullen dawn Sep 9, 2019, 3:01 PM

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ah thanks

forest sphinx Sep 9, 2019, 3:16 PM

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I see them teasing us with something today pertaining to 8.2.5

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 3:16 PM

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you think so? I think tomorrow or wednesday is more likely

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 3:16 PM

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More likely to be tomorrow

forest sphinx Sep 9, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Yeah, more likely tomorrow but I’m hoping for today for at least a tease

hasty elbow Sep 9, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Any future content news is welcome at this point.

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 6:23 PM

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mhhh I just learned, that being "Neutral Evil" = hold up evil as an ideal, committing evil for its own sake.

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I thought always only chaotic evil ppl doing evil for the sake of it

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oh nvm

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I missed an important line from the definition

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"Some neutral evil villains hold up evil as an ideal, committing evil for its own sake. Most often, such villains are devoted to evil deities or secret societies."

feral belfry Sep 9, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Never had the money for the virtual tickets sadly

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maybe if I could get to 120 and find a decent way to farm some gold for it if it can be bought with the bnet cash

forest sphinx Sep 9, 2019, 7:22 PM

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You guys checking out this "leak" on BattleChat yet?

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 7:23 PM

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No

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 7:28 PM

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What's battlechat?

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 7:35 PM

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i swear to god

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if it is another shadowlands

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imma cut a bitch

obtuse vine Sep 9, 2019, 7:36 PM

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@forest sphinx can you send a link?

forest sphinx Sep 9, 2019, 7:37 PM

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https://www.battlechat.co/2019/09/new-shadowlands-expansion-and-8-3-the-siege-of-stormwind-raid-leaked/?fbclid=IwAR00p-RfkxwJbRc_GduOInd4CcLsmxF_jezLbiPBOywmiszkoG5jBKdgfQo

BattleChat

Nick Nijland

New Shadowlands expansion and 8.3 The Siege of Stormwind raid leak...

With Blizzcon coming in less than two months, the rumor mills are starting to turn. Leaks are coming

obtuse vine Sep 9, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Oh that’s old

ivory meadow Sep 9, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Welp. @dense plover better get a knife.

obtuse vine Sep 9, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Haha

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 7:38 PM

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oh

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that one

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yeah image is fake

ivory meadow Sep 9, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Hella fake

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 7:38 PM

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someone went and proved it was photoshopped

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its super nonsense after the first bit

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and then goes into - never going to happen territory

forest sphinx Sep 9, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Gave you something to talk about while we wait for the PTR 😉

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 7:54 PM

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I just want new content already so I’ll have some guildies come back from dumb ass classic.

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I look everyday but pepehands

tulip sun Sep 9, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Next week at the latest

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Since they wouldn't make new brewfest stuff and not implement it for this year...right/

potent hazel Sep 9, 2019, 7:59 PM

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So just for a hot second let’s say that leak is accurate....what happens when you die in the shadowlands?

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Im not sure if you can die in the shadowlands, when you already dead

potent hazel Sep 9, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Exactly

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I think that whole zone and the lore and everything with the shadowlands would be fun and interesting but how is it playable?

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:01 PM

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it isnt

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not to mention, we are focusing on the old gods

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they have nothing to do with the shadowlands

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:07 PM

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we are focusing on the old gods, thats right. at the same time, death and the death entitys are plot C and also important

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I totaly see something shadowlands related could happen in a patch

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maybe next xpac, the 9.2 or even 9.,3 patch

pulsar iris Sep 9, 2019, 8:20 PM

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vol'jin story is now death entities plot?

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we go around talking to strong characters asking if they brought vol'jin back and they say no, is that the death entities plot?

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:22 PM

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thats the "Sylvanas and a entity that made her warchief" plot

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could be a death entity, could also be Nzoth

pulsar iris Sep 9, 2019, 8:22 PM

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could be many things

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i just can't see how that relates to taking us to the shadowlands. it's just a small plot

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Shadow land is just that place where you die for God's sake

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There are way many better things to discuss than these fake leaks

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:38 PM

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yes, like when the fuck will we get something about 8.2.5

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ReeSylv

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or more important, 8.3

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:38 PM

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see, I see it as the whole nzoth is playing ALL of us plot

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Nzoth KNEW about the dagger, KNEW sylvanas would get it

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:40 PM

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Nzoth dont just knew that Sylvanas would get it, he made her getting the dagger

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:40 PM

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People seem to bitch about Sylvanas following Nzoth

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:40 PM

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yes

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I bitch about it

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its stupid and annoying

uncut lintel Sep 9, 2019, 8:40 PM

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:(( sylv and nathanos forever

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:40 PM

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When Sylvanas doesn't have the mental prowess that Nzoth has in comparison to some elf

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Nzoth is the mind game expert

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Nzoth tricking Sylvanas is totaly ok, Im bitching about the possibility the writers making Sylvanas stupid enough to work for Nzoth or even made a bargain with him

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:41 PM

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He could play with her ambition

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Like

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If a piece of rock like Azerite made her go to a war

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Why shouldn't Nzoth fool her to do her bidding?

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His*

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What Sylvanas wants is

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:42 PM

#

why should she do that, after knowing what happened with Garrosh?

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Sylvanas is an character not stupid enough to believe some old god

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Never said direct bargain

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:43 PM

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even if he offered her " infinite life"

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Ambitions

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No one would blame her if she falls for Nzoth tricks and even if the horde follows

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:43 PM

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no, thats not in her Character. specially working for someone

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:44 PM

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She isn't working for Nzoth

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Or would be

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:44 PM

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in Character would be, she tries to play 4D chess with Nzoth, tries to use him just to backstabb himn at the end

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Sylvanas working for him is totaly out of character

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:44 PM

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And fails miserably

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:44 PM

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no matter what he could offer her

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Again, Nzoth is just out of the world for mind games

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:45 PM

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"I still see the sylvanas story as this: she tricks the horde and alliance into defending thunderbluff, meanwhile she fires the cannon in azshara and begins to assault stormwind, horde and alliance go there to defend, uniting everyone in one place, as like, nzoth shows up to try and destroy all of us. We then get like, a flashback of sylvanas seeing this from the dagger, and she is prepared, she pushes back nzoth, sending him reeling - we think everything is good but he is faking, goes to wake up and release the other two old gods, BAM next expac"

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:45 PM

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What would make sense fo rme, Sylvanas believes to smart out Nzoth, but at the end hes the one who smart outs her

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:45 PM

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tie into this the fact that maybe nzoth selected her as warchief so ALL of that happens

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:45 PM

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losing against an old god 4d chess is not a shame

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:45 PM

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so that it COULd happen

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and i believe genuinely, we should lose to nzoth

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he SHOULD be a threat

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Heck it would be great if they reveal that Nzoth was the one that fiddled with Vol Jin

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:46 PM

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EXACTLY

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nzoth all along

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playing us from before we even knew it

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SINCE LEGION

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(remember the void flower in the nightmare?)

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:46 PM

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I still have it

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:46 PM

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he couldve planted that to get us to go there to help us save the emerald flight

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which eventually leads to seeking wrathion

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which eventually leads to dragon isles

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which gets nzoth a servant - Murozond

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it would be the best possible end for this expac

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:47 PM

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I take everything over Sylvanas being dumb enough to work with/for an Old god

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:47 PM

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nzoth all along

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:47 PM

#

rly

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:47 PM

#

she isnt

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you arent reading

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she is being played

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:47 PM

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And that's valid

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:47 PM

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dagger gives her a vision of nzoth winning - all her actions are to stop that from happening

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:47 PM

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I hope so

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:48 PM

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but in reality the vision was a lie

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and doing those things sets nzoth up for success

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weakens the horde and alliance

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:48 PM

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if the dagger gave her a vision about Nzoth winning, what was the deal before then?

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:48 PM

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and exposes the last remaining threats to nzoth - the dragonflights, thrall, saurfang, and a united horde/alliance

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:48 PM

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she had a true plan even before she attacked teldrassil

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:48 PM

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she planned to remove the alliance from kalimdor

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:49 PM

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That doesn't have anything to do with nzoth

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:49 PM

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same as pretty much every warchief before her

stiff vector Sep 9, 2019, 8:49 PM

#

RaF likely has another mount btw

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:49 PM

#

Ashenvale my dude

stiff vector Sep 9, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Mechanical flying

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:49 PM

#

Is it a dragon?

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Boo

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:49 PM

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horde has been trying to get rid of alliance on kalimdor for ages

inner copper Sep 9, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Nelf’s were there first

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:50 PM

#

Do we know how Raf works

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And ye

tropic trail Sep 9, 2019, 8:50 PM

#

but Sylvanas true goal was something about entitys like Elune and others would be against it - her thoughts from A good War

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Technically trolls were

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:50 PM

#

^

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:50 PM

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And maybe tauren

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 8:50 PM

#

trolls had been pushed back to a tiny island by the night elves

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night elves refused to help tauren stop the centaur

inner copper Sep 9, 2019, 8:51 PM

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If Horde gets Kalimdor then get the hell outta EK

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:51 PM

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That is the plan

stiff vector Sep 9, 2019, 8:51 PM

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With this many rewards RaF is likely tiered

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Tiered?

stiff vector Sep 9, 2019, 8:51 PM

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So more boo

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:51 PM

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I honestly don’t know why they wanna rework it

stiff vector Sep 9, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Yeah there's several rewards and I doubt they'll give you all at the same time

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Sure it was basic before

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:51 PM

#

I think it is like

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The more time your recruiter plays

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Like before

stiff vector Sep 9, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Yeah that's what I mean

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:52 PM

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You got 1 month if both played

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:52 PM

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~~but like the stigma of bfa is making people who never played not wanna play~~

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Unless RaF counts for classic too

stiff vector Sep 9, 2019, 8:53 PM

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I highly doubt it

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:53 PM

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You’re probably right

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:53 PM

#

Either way

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The original plan of BfA

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Iirc

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Is giving Horde a full control of Kalimdor

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While giving Alliance a full control of EK

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But

#

BUT

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:54 PM

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We still don’t know who canonically won the warfronts

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:54 PM

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They seem to forget that they can't touch exodar and blood elf area

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:54 PM

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When everyone though those places would be reworked

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:54 PM

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So that dream was likely impossible to achieve

#

And ye

#

I also remember their words

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Its not like we had a lot of draenei architecture from a recent xpac

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To remake exodar

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:55 PM

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"Upon reaching max level, players will experience new worlds on both continents"

#

I thought it meant

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A revamped world for max content

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:55 PM

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They sorta did it, but only for the warfront zones

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:55 PM

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They did it at half

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This is the half expac

#

The one thing done right were raid fights and Azerite essences/traits

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And the new zones

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:56 PM

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The new bfa zones are good

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:56 PM

#

Imo this team is just

#

Ambitious

#

Very

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But they can't complete all their objectives

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:57 PM

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And gave us a lot of expectations

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That weren’t fully met

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:57 PM

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As sad it sounds I think they are on test atm

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All depends on these last patches

#

But Legion's class designers can still go to the fuck

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:58 PM

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8.3 better be a big change

#

God yeah Legion had cool class design, but removing the core part of legion from them all made them awful

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Ye

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All Dps became rogues

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Or monks

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:59 PM

#

Monks became rogues

#

In mop a monk could still kick your ass without using moves with tiger hits

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 8:59 PM

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Remember when they said frost and unholy dks were gonna get reworks in a later patch???

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 8:59 PM

#

They are dead of waiting

#

Wait

#

They were already dead but now they like

#

Ressed them where there was fire around

#

It's like ressing a Dps when you are in a mobile platform

#

So when the platform dissapears and the Dps revives

#

It only revives to die again

#

Sigh I can just wish for a class revamp

#

Make it feel we are playing something different

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 9:02 PM

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I think they said that next xpac is gonna be a huge class revamp

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 9:02 PM

#

Please

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Bring back tiger claws

#

Make paladin ret waste mana

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 9:03 PM

#

Ion did apologize for the class changes in bfa

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 9:03 PM

#

Oh rly

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Yeah, around the time the azerite reworks was on the ptr

dense plover Sep 9, 2019, 9:04 PM

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they went too far

#

one of their goals next expac is to bring back class AND spec identity and abilities

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 9:04 PM

#

Please

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 9:04 PM

#

Oh I saw

#

Whew

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 9:05 PM

#

Don’t ruin survival hunter and bm hunter again

#

Bfa made them so much fun

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 9:05 PM

#

Make survival hunter and explosive hunter

#

I honestly hope for new things

#

Like I don't want to admit it but

#

Playing monks get too boring when your class is bugged

night swift Sep 9, 2019, 9:07 PM

#

Yeah

#

I tried so hard to like ww

#

But I just can’t

zealous basalt Sep 9, 2019, 9:12 PM

#

I like it but

#

I keep heading to a mop server just to feel like a monk

limber mural Sep 9, 2019, 11:41 PM

#

Hunter needs

#

4 specs

#

Twiddle with current survival hunter to get a balance between Legion's and BFA's cause honestly mongoose windows in legion were much more interesting

#

And add a 4th spec of pre-legion survival hunter under a new name

uncut lintel Sep 10, 2019, 1:02 AM

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gnight

uncut lintel Sep 10, 2019, 1:21 AM

#

oops

#

wrong chat

#

LOL

unborn glacier Sep 10, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Man, BM was in such an amazing place at the beginning of the xpac

#

But that 5% dmg nerf in Uldir, to all your dmg has fucked BMs scaling

potent hazel Sep 10, 2019, 3:22 PM

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So what are the guesses for the extra hour of reset time? Cinematic?

terse patrol Sep 10, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Extra hour?

potent hazel Sep 10, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Servers are down for 2 hours this morning, it’s usually only scheduled to be down for an hour

prime cradle Sep 10, 2019, 3:29 PM

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my guess? something with ddos mitigation maybe . only a guess tho

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 3:36 PM

#

^^^

#

most likely

#

why would an extra hour of down time lead to a cinematic?

#

those 2 things are completely separate

terse patrol Sep 10, 2019, 3:39 PM

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We are due a PTR build, like, extremely due. But it’s looking like they’re just doing internal tests now to avoid spoilers.

#

@dense plover

unborn glacier Sep 10, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Yup

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 3:40 PM

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yeah but that has nothing to do with scheduled maintenance or a cinematic

#

we NEVER get cinematics before launch

unborn glacier Sep 10, 2019, 3:40 PM

#

^

sullen dawn Sep 10, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Well technically we do get cgi ones

#

But again nothing to do with downtime

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 3:41 PM

#

not through the client

sullen dawn Sep 10, 2019, 3:41 PM

#

Yeh

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 3:41 PM

#

we sometimes get cinematics when Blizz shows us

#

but we dont get them via a build

sullen dawn Sep 10, 2019, 3:41 PM

#

Just being semantic haha

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 3:42 PM

#

this patch has at least 1

#

but its encrypted

sullen dawn Sep 10, 2019, 3:42 PM

#

What are odds on a build today

#

2:1?

unborn glacier Sep 10, 2019, 3:43 PM

#

Doubtful

#

We're likely not getting anymore builds this PTR patch

sullen dawn Sep 10, 2019, 3:43 PM

#

Ain't the patch speculated for next reset?

unborn glacier Sep 10, 2019, 3:44 PM

#

They definitely don't want us to know what is in this patch until later

sullen dawn Sep 10, 2019, 3:45 PM

#

I hope war campaign is available when patch drops

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 3:47 PM

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

either the build pushed to servers is the release or release candidate

#

if we get a new build this week, RC

#

otherwise, we will see soon

forest sphinx Sep 10, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

Uhhh what's up with the launcher?

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 4:00 PM

#

Maintenance

forest sphinx Sep 10, 2019, 4:00 PM

#

Oh snap. Totally didn't see that

#

Time to go make breakfast

prime cradle Sep 10, 2019, 4:05 PM

#

up now 😉

ionic terrace Sep 10, 2019, 4:34 PM

#

Wait there’s a new harvest festival quest for Tauren who’ve done heritage?

upper remnant Sep 10, 2019, 4:42 PM

#

someone on my discord mentionned a new server update, so I guess they will just continue with no builds until the end

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 4:58 PM

#

tfw people keep mentioning there's an encrypted cinematic in 8.2.5 but i still havent found it

#

@dense plover any source on that?

ionic terrace Sep 10, 2019, 5:22 PM

#

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23127426

World of Warcraft

Recruit A Friend Returns! - WoW

Bring your friends to Azeroth and earn special rewards.

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 5:23 PM

#

Daamn

inner copper Sep 10, 2019, 5:23 PM

#

Indiana Jones reference

#

I think

dark furnace Sep 10, 2019, 5:24 PM

#

Is that a mount?

ionic terrace Sep 10, 2019, 5:24 PM

#

Yes

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 5:24 PM

#

Yep

dark furnace Sep 10, 2019, 5:24 PM

#

Ooh

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 5:25 PM

#

nailed it

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 5:25 PM

#

I like this

#

But

#

What is going to happen with the old rewards?=

strange falcon Sep 10, 2019, 5:27 PM

#

idk

inner copper Sep 10, 2019, 5:30 PM

#

Yeah I wanna know that too

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 5:37 PM

#

That 2 seater plane...

strange falcon Sep 10, 2019, 5:37 PM

#

2seater camel lul

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 5:37 PM

#

Everything is 2 seater

#

I like it

strange falcon Sep 10, 2019, 5:38 PM

#

it's recruit a friend

#

what did you expect

#

a 1 seater mount

#

lul

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 5:39 PM

#

WELL

inner copper Sep 10, 2019, 5:39 PM

#

Used to have a bunch of 1 seaters tho

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 5:39 PM

#

THERE WERE 1 SEATERS IN THE OLD RAF

night swift Sep 10, 2019, 5:45 PM

#

God why does such nice armor have to be from this

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 5:45 PM

#

The backpack

#

Time to do alt accounts

upper remnant Sep 10, 2019, 5:56 PM

#

It works for returning players too

#

It may be easier to find a returning player online or smth

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 5:57 PM

#

@stiff vector I might be mistaken, but I remember one of the first builds having a very large encrypted file (upwards of 80mb, might’ve even been over a gig, been a while) which historically have been encrypted cinematics

inner copper Sep 10, 2019, 5:57 PM

#

Why not do like with the Alabaster mounts and have a just price-locked version on the shop?

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 5:57 PM

#

Especially when everything in the first build wasn’t encrypted

#

They never have

#

Look at old recruit a friend stuff

#

This is pretty much the same

#

But not all mounts, so they can give jobs to other art teams

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 5:58 PM

#

Ye

tranquil steeple Sep 10, 2019, 5:58 PM

#

that hat tho

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 5:58 PM

#

This spreads out the - we finished the patch - workload to a larger group of artists

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 5:58 PM

#

PTRs down

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 5:58 PM

#

Because once a patch is done, artists are still being paid

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 5:58 PM

#

and I'll have a look mrpeach

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 5:58 PM

#

Oh damn, looks like we might see a build today

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 5:58 PM

#

we can usually detect AVIs just fine because they're never completely encrypted

inner copper Sep 10, 2019, 5:58 PM

#

I think it’s unfair cause I actually never got my reward for recruiting a friend for 2gametime months which was supposed to get me a mount

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 5:59 PM

#

but if they changed that -and- fixed the DBs leaking cinematic IDs then yeah maybe

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 5:59 PM

#

Yeah but this set of builds has been weird

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 5:59 PM

#

i mean other than the encrypted story stuff not really

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 5:59 PM

#

You will probably have a change again

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 6:00 PM

#

Yeah but if I remember it was a unk

#

And very large

#

If you can sort by file size then that’s what needs to be done

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 6:01 PM

#

i can yeah

#

8.2.5.31769 is new server build

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 6:04 PM

#

New build?

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 6:04 PM

#

on server

#

not out yet

#

but hopefully if they tested this one it'll be fine

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 6:04 PM

#

nEw BuIlD?

#

Ok i kid

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 6:05 PM

#

i don't see it @dense plover

#

might have been someone trolling?

#

i'll see if i can add a proper view to site

#

instead of having to dive into technicals to find encrypted file size

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 6:08 PM

#

Inb4 this build has "Release" tag

upper remnant Sep 10, 2019, 6:09 PM

#

Inb4 there is no build for us

#

Just the servers again

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 6:10 PM

#

maybe I was just mistaken ¯_(ツ)_/¯

uncut lintel Sep 10, 2019, 6:23 PM

#

soooo does thi mean 8.2.5 soon???

#

like this month?

tropic trail Sep 10, 2019, 6:23 PM

#

probably. we dont know for sure

uncut lintel Sep 10, 2019, 6:24 PM

#

i hope so

#

i cant wait any longer

tropic trail Sep 10, 2019, 6:24 PM

#

but october for 8.2.5 is unlikely. its too late

uncut lintel Sep 10, 2019, 6:24 PM

#

yea

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 6:28 PM

#

is this it

#

is it build time already

#

nope

#

just starcraft 2 again

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 6:29 PM

#

wat

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 6:29 PM

#

i get a warning when something changes on the patch server before knowing what it is

#

so every time there's a wow build expected there's a few seconds up to a minute of possible excitement

uncut lintel Sep 10, 2019, 6:31 PM

#

what month did 8.2 come out? i cant remember

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 6:31 PM

#

Poor Mar

#

Apr

uncut lintel Sep 10, 2019, 6:31 PM

#

ah ok ty

sullen dawn Sep 10, 2019, 6:32 PM

#

25th of june

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 6:34 PM

#

o

forest sphinx Sep 10, 2019, 6:37 PM

#

Crossing fingers here folks

storm marsh Sep 10, 2019, 6:38 PM

#

Something is going on?

tropic trail Sep 10, 2019, 6:39 PM

#

apartyparrot ultra_fast_parrot pepeDance

mystic heart Sep 10, 2019, 6:46 PM

#

i hope they fix all shit
like instance not found

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 7:12 PM

#

DAMMIT

#

vendor build.

#

you taunt me, blizzard

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 7:13 PM

#

Ahaha

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 7:13 PM

#

maybe tonight still but this isnt great

ionic terrace Sep 10, 2019, 7:13 PM

#

sad

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 7:18 PM

#

dammit

#

now blizzard is literally taunting me

#

i'm going to get a drink.

upper remnant Sep 10, 2019, 7:18 PM

#

a wow vendor build ?

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 7:18 PM

#

yes 😦

upper remnant Sep 10, 2019, 7:19 PM

#

it's soon enough in California to be out today I guess

#

even though some of them are uploaded the next day

tropic trail Sep 10, 2019, 7:24 PM

#

a vendor build? I thought they releasing vendor builds right before they release the actuall build on the live servers

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 7:24 PM

#

nah usually before and during testing phases

storm marsh Sep 10, 2019, 7:29 PM

#

We still have 4-5 hours left

terse patrol Sep 10, 2019, 7:34 PM

#

We really don’t have much time before the 17th which is the theorized day.

ancient jasper Sep 10, 2019, 7:45 PM

#

Been over a Month at this point since we've had any type of major PTR update hasn't it?

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 7:45 PM

#

21/8 so no

#

15/8 for the one before

languid yoke Sep 10, 2019, 7:46 PM

#

but it's definitely been some time

#

especially considering we didn't really have a lot of real updates after the initial release

terse patrol Sep 10, 2019, 7:46 PM

#

Eh, the first PTR build was the big one, and all the others were disappointments.

#

So ye

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 7:47 PM

#

Don't expect much from all of the other upcoming builds either

#

Most if not all of these keys won't ship until after live

languid yoke Sep 10, 2019, 7:47 PM

#

only thing I expect is the rc mark

ancient jasper Sep 10, 2019, 7:55 PM

#

What I truly want from the next PTR patch - Worgen Females to stop sniffing every bloody time you jump.

storm marsh Sep 10, 2019, 8:01 PM

#

And their shoulders

#

Position

uncut lintel Sep 10, 2019, 8:09 PM

#

i just want the new models for females bcuz they are soooo pretty

forest sphinx Sep 10, 2019, 8:12 PM

#

I want new story

upper lantern Sep 10, 2019, 8:21 PM

#

Yeah, I think the last thing we got was the new Calia model?

tropic trail Sep 10, 2019, 8:48 PM

#

the last thing we got was I think a new rock model...

#

I was so excited. such a

#

pretty rock model

dense plover Sep 10, 2019, 8:53 PM

#

wasnt new

#

just a recolored draenor rock

zealous basalt Sep 10, 2019, 8:56 PM

#

It was sarcasm

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 8:56 PM

#

it was a very nice rock

pulsar iris Sep 10, 2019, 8:56 PM

#

that calia model looks kinda unfinished. idk. her skin looks weird

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 8:56 PM

#

together with all the other nice recolored rocks

#

it might end up meaning something

upper remnant Sep 10, 2019, 9:18 PM

#

isn't it for durotar ?

stiff vector Sep 10, 2019, 9:35 PM

#

that's what my assumption is yes

languid yoke Sep 10, 2019, 9:37 PM

#

stares at ptr

ionic terrace Sep 10, 2019, 9:51 PM

#

durotauren

mystic heart Sep 10, 2019, 10:40 PM

#

So blizz as always baiting us :D

upper lantern Sep 10, 2019, 11:01 PM

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😦

flint meteor Sep 11, 2019, 12:44 AM

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pepe

terse patrol Sep 11, 2019, 1:49 AM

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https://twitter.com/soulsobreezy/status/1170803074576699393?s=21

Soul (@soulsobreezy)

Super secret leak, found something that suggests someone or something else will ferry the souls of Azeroth in the next expansion https://t.co/9ApJKnBO4b

▶ Play video

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wooaaaoooaaaooh

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 2:01 AM

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That looks like the Nagifar

dense plover Sep 11, 2019, 2:11 AM

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thats because it is

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with an edited texture as a meme

round lake Sep 11, 2019, 2:52 AM

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this time in between tho really just makes it interesting if 8.3 will be the reveal at blizzcon and be a huge patch or if we will get info on it and they announce the xpac as well

dense plover Sep 11, 2019, 3:36 AM

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no way they dont reveal 9.0 at blizzcon

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massively missed opportunity to not do that

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would cause the stock to stutter and would piss off investors

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Also it is time for it

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BfA was revealed when we were at 7.2.5 iirc

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oh wait

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it was at 7.3.2

hasty tendon Sep 11, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Yeah, but BfA's patch cycle is drastically slower.

It is the second Blizzcon since the expac launched, just like the BfA reveal.

storm marsh Sep 11, 2019, 4:24 AM

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It would be a huuuuuge dissapointment if they don't announce 9.0 at blizzcon

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Both 9.0,diablo 4,and new allied race announcement,with probably a sneaky cinematic

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Boom great blizzcon

round lake Sep 11, 2019, 4:51 AM

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I agree, maybe the time between 8.2.5 and 8.3 will be much quicker. But just the timing with patches this xpac is clearly off and probably not where they wanted it to be\

uncut vault Sep 11, 2019, 5:27 AM

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I said that about 8.2.5

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Not making that mistake again

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Blizz clearly has a cycle, regardless of the actual amount of content in a patch

hasty elbow Sep 11, 2019, 6:56 AM

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may be they deployed a build but not yet finished? just try logged in to ptr and it's still offline.

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 8:35 AM

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Y'all are here like this while I think a lot of stuff is ruined by us knowing it months before time...

round lake Sep 11, 2019, 8:36 AM

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lol that too

tropic trail Sep 11, 2019, 8:54 AM

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Im ok with that, spoiler me, ruin it for me dancegif

hasty elbow Sep 11, 2019, 9:14 AM

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tbh I love to read spoilers rather than waiting w/o knowing when next update gonna hit.

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at least there's something to keep things exciting.

flint meteor Sep 11, 2019, 12:00 PM

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the guy roasted that leak PercYay

upper remnant Sep 11, 2019, 12:03 PM

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I am hoping they are not doing the same release date / release schedule that for 8.1.5 because we got the release date a whole month in advance

vernal juniper Sep 11, 2019, 1:57 PM

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They need to reveal the expantion on next blizzcon, assuming 6 months of beta, and 2-3 of F&F/streamers edition and assuming the release on September 2020, this is the right time to do it, with a final patch and final raid 8.3 6-7 months long on January, and 1 month of prepatch/exp.

dense plover Sep 11, 2019, 2:11 PM

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I still see it as 8.3 in mid December with raid maybe 4-5 weeks after patch

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Mid January

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 2:27 PM

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How long has the PTR been incompatible?

vernal juniper Sep 11, 2019, 2:27 PM

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yeah but even with your timeline they probably needs to announce the expantion for beta 9.0. If they skip the announce on blizzcon idk when they can really announce it with the probably drop on late summer.

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 2:28 PM

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also with that timeline we'd need 8.3 to be on ptr in like 3 weeks max

vernal juniper Sep 11, 2019, 2:29 PM

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3 weeks from blizzcon, not from now

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 2:29 PM

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unless 8.3 is small and has no new zone

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for it to launch in mid december?

vernal juniper Sep 11, 2019, 2:29 PM

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oh you mean on ptr, my bad

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 2:29 PM

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big patches are on ptr for 10 weeks at least

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ye

vernal juniper Sep 11, 2019, 2:30 PM

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besides the possible but imporbable shadowlands leak, I don't think it will be a large patch, time is too close to new exp

smoky mural Sep 11, 2019, 2:30 PM

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you know what could happen doe nothing in 8.2.5

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 2:31 PM

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true could be no story in 8.2.5

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and 8.3 is not that long after

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maybe theyre hoping the anniversary stuff will keep us going until december

vernal juniper Sep 11, 2019, 2:32 PM

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idk, they will get a ton of money from raf

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players will raf themself for 170$ or tokens, to get new stuffs

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is more lickely there is not 8.3 raid at all

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they already added the 120 boost, usually this happens on last patch of the exp

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(the upgrade of the boost at final level, or maybe is only added for PREORDER new exp during blizzcon)

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 2:40 PM

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If they don't bring out at LEAST one more Raid this Expansion people are going to be VERY unhappy.

languid yoke Sep 11, 2019, 2:40 PM

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has been incompatible since friday

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 2:40 PM

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Ah, I see. Thanks Nwolf.

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 2:41 PM

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i think we'll get a 8.3 raid

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but

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we might not get a new zone

languid yoke Sep 11, 2019, 2:41 PM

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raid might be a leadin to the 9.0 zones story-wise, especially if it takes us to sth like Ny'alotha. Seems like something way larger than a 8.3 zone could be

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Let's see.. If they don't release another Raid this Expansion we'll be stuck with Eternal Palace for over 1 year if the next Expansion releases in September.

vernal juniper Sep 11, 2019, 2:43 PM

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yeah they need to do a new raid and not a new zone if they want a release on late summer, if the post release the exp on Winter, they can do whatever they want

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 2:52 PM

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agreed

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tbh id rather a bigger 8.3, and they wait till nov 2020 to launch next exp

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 3:06 PM

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No

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That is simply a bad idea

unborn glacier Sep 11, 2019, 3:57 PM

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^^^^

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Terrible idea

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 3:59 PM

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you guys more concerned about staying on bfa? or dont wanna wait for next expansion?

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a few extra months in the oven could be good for next one

dense plover Sep 11, 2019, 3:59 PM

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No, it has to do with profits

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Late November is too late

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And the gap is too long

terse patrol Sep 11, 2019, 4:06 PM

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Idk why people think we’re getting 8.4

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 4:11 PM

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who does lol

terse patrol Sep 11, 2019, 4:26 PM

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Because of another “leak”

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 4:26 PM

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imagine taking leaks seriously outside of youtube monies

ionic terrace Sep 11, 2019, 4:30 PM

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the last time we got a .4 was in mop

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Thrinking

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 4:31 PM

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logic of leakers "if it happened once,it can happen again!"

dense plover Sep 11, 2019, 4:32 PM

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We aren’t getting .4s anymore

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They’ve switched to the 2 year expac model

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 4:36 PM

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yeh 8.3.5 will be final patch (the linking patch/epilogue) with preorder and 1 feature put in early

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it worked really well from legion to bfa, giving everyone allied races

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 4:41 PM

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And it worked perfectly

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Unless you are willing to wait for one year in the same patch

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It's like guys

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Did we forget MoP's last patch?

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Let's use the head here

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You can't say "Let's have the final patch have a shit ton of content"

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You can burn that shit ton of content in one week

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And if you want to put time gates you are going to piss off the already pissed people over timegates

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Having the next xpac drop in August is good

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And you all aren't taking in consideration that even before launch day there is a week or two for pre-patches

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 4:50 PM

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youre right

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plus

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they said theyre gonna focus on testing systems first this time around

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rather than quests and all that stuff

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so less chance of launching with something broken design wise like azerite armour

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Though

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Azerite armor is good what are you talking about

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 4:51 PM

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the base launch iteration was flawed as hell

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its good now

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Like everything else

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Or do you forget how Artifacts' level were so fucky?

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 4:51 PM

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yeah,azerite armor got like 2 weeks of testing

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 4:52 PM

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And refresh my memory

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Did we have another mini patch after 7.3.5?

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 4:52 PM

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thats what im saying dafire

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they agreed, and said next expansion theyre gonna test core system design/features first and early

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 4:53 PM

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we had prepatch after 7.3.5

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 4:53 PM

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For all their supposed flaws I really enjoyed Artifact Weapons.

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 4:53 PM

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me too

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i just wish the ability unlock wasnt linear

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 4:53 PM

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possibly because they had entire questlines

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Really?

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 4:53 PM

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also magetowers involved them

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e.e

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 4:53 PM

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if you can have made choices (like talents) on the weapons id be happy

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 4:53 PM

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well you did that

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at the start

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then by 7.2 or so

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 4:54 PM

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I like the progression style over it

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But what I dislike to the day

sullen dawn Sep 11, 2019, 4:54 PM

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sure but you all ended up with teh same end result

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 4:54 PM

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Is linking it to a weapon

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or a piece of armor

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 4:54 PM

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I'm pissed that Demon Hunter's ended up losing out on one of our very few abilities when Artifact Weapons went away, but other classes with far more abilities got to keep theirs. =/

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 4:54 PM

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You have no right to talk over it

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The class that had it ugly

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And still to the day is awful was WW monks

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 4:55 PM

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some classes got them back as talents e.e

tropic trail Sep 11, 2019, 4:55 PM

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today is coming something

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I can smell it

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Oh

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that's just my breakfast

tropic trail Sep 11, 2019, 4:56 PM

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spinthink

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 4:56 PM

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I hated Artifact Weapons for one reason

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It made classes what they were

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Legion made all classes like

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Very epic with their artifacts

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But it also cursed them to be heavily dependant

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 4:58 PM

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thats because the designers were told to make the artifacts "very impactful" and were given basically free reign

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 4:58 PM

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But like gods

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Enough to make the artifact powers the mega burst?

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 4:59 PM

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if all classes got their artifact ability integrated as baseline

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in bfa

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it'd have been OK]

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most classes got them as talents but in turn that screwed up the talents

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Monk's Strike of the Wind Lord? Demon Hunter's?

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Wake of the Ashes?

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 4:59 PM

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fire mage one e.e

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Those all were

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OP as fuck

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Wake is a talent now

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:00 PM

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That is just half of what it was

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 5:00 PM

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but DH and WW lost those

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Fury of the Illidari was OP? How?

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Fury+Beam

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And plus the amount of self-buffs

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With a stun it was gg

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Monk's was a simple 2 millon hit

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that filled 3 chi

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and was a cone

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 5:01 PM

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those 3 chi were vital e.e

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:01 PM

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And now the new one costs a lot and gives 2 chi

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 5:01 PM

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it was less the 3 chi more the dumb damage

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:01 PM

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And deals

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The same damage of a rsk

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 5:01 PM

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basically yeah

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rsk seems even better to me

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idk

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM

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It's bad

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You can deal the same amount of damage with two Blackout kicks

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM

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mhm

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM

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The mages

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM

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i dont even use newmoon anymore since it gives me way too much resources

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Gods

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Fire's mages orbs

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That massive free splash damage crit

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Frost got ebonbolt

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Did arcane get mark?

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:03 PM

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And the fact that in the end of Legion we were looking at millions of digits

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Ye

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Not counting the extra things the artifacts had

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Mongose bite

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 5:03 PM

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the only one that comes to mind was divine storm having a range

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i miss that

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 5:04 PM

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It's going to be VERY interesting to see how they do DH's and DK's if they do come through with that level squish in 9.0

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Paladins with their double Verdict

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And double divine storm

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I honestly expected the next expac after legion suffering of that kind of loss

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The should have like

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Revamped them again to make them free

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Honestly though any expac after legion would suffer

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Ye

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Cause we're never gonna see legion's quality again

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Legion's class design, was a top

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But also a curse

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 5:05 PM

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cause it had like a year of extra design time

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 5:05 PM

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i can only hear demons screaming SUFFEEEEEEEERRRR

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when you say that

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:06 PM

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I don't blame if they revamp the classes again

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But gods

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Make them not dependant of anything

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Legion was amazing for me just for the simple fact that it gave me a new main. I'd been playing DK since WotLK came out and then BAM DH. New favorite class. Love the playstyle and Double Jump and Glide are literally my favorite things in any game ever.

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 5:06 PM

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you use "gods" alot,e.e

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:06 PM

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because that's how desperate i am for a new playstyle

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cries

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I mained monk in MoP

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 5:06 PM

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i could never figure a main in legion

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:07 PM

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now that was fun

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 5:07 PM

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BfA made me set on hunter

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:07 PM

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in WoD it had little changes but Serenity was fun

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And then in Legion they changed it so you weren't playing the monk but the weapon

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And in BfA all classes feel like

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 5:08 PM

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yikes

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:08 PM

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No no, I have a good anagram

limber mural Sep 11, 2019, 5:08 PM

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i think you're gonna mean analogy

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:08 PM

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You are like a smoker suffering of abstinency

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and ye analogy, thanks emu

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An addict being cut of their addiction

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 5:09 PM

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the pattern has the power to change destiny,thus next expac HAS to be good like mop and legion were e.e

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Ye---wait

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Was Legion's team the same that did MoP?

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 5:09 PM

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i mean the 1 good,1bad cycle we've been in for like 10 years

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i think legion just had 1 year extra to be worked on

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due to them abandoning wod

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:10 PM

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They just need to fire WoD's team or change them

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They have good ideas

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but you don't live on just ideas

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I give it, the Azerite armor trait system and the essence system were hits

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But the artifact system they follow was just a lazy copy paste of Legion's

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The raids are still fun though

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 5:12 PM

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raid and art team are consistently good

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while class and rewards team arent good all the time

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Ion is still on charge with the raids, isn't he?

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Really wish Tokens would fall back down to what they were.. Bloody Classic driving them up.

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 5:15 PM

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should have bought them 3 weeks before classic lul

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they were like 150k

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:16 PM

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And they will be higher

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RaF seems to come up very strong

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And I still dont understand one thing

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Why removing blessing of might?

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:40 PM

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I'd love if buffs come back next expac

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 5:41 PM

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I agree.

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I thought it was an idiotic idea them taking away so many buffs from people

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Ye

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Even if our classes do have them already

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 5:43 PM

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we cant have mark of the wild because we have too much utility already :((

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 5:43 PM

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dat sarcasm?

languid yoke Sep 11, 2019, 6:06 PM

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no that's what blizzard said

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mark of the wild was supposed to be added but got removed before bfa released

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Ah

storm marsh Sep 11, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Oh my god, this silence is getting out of hand

uncut lintel Sep 11, 2019, 6:14 PM

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wat

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 6:14 PM

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starts up music for Stoneheart

storm marsh Sep 11, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Nothing, I just want Blizzard to announce something

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 6:16 PM

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They gon announce...

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A new xpac for Hearthstone

strange falcon Sep 11, 2019, 6:16 PM

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already did

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 6:23 PM

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ooof

vernal juniper Sep 11, 2019, 6:26 PM

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expecting a wow app for mobile tbh

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for battle pets and maybe something more

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Huh.. Well I just found out something that, if true, makes me look at Sylvanas in a different light.. She ordered the Wrathgate attack?

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Nope

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Wrathgate was Putress and Vari's plan

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Interesting.. Because in an interview someone did with Afrasiabi he specifically blamed her for Wrathgate

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Hmmm

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Huh?

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 6:35 PM

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https://blizzardwatch.com/2018/11/12/alex-afrasiabi-reveals-sylvanas-ordered-wrathgate/

Blizzard Watch

Ted Atchley

Alex Afrasiabi reveals that Sylvanas ordered the Wrathgate

By burning Teldrasil, Sylvanas not only pushed the Alliance and Horde into full-scale war — she launched a furious debate in the community as to why she did it. Was Sylvanas to be turned into another one-dimensional Horde villain? As the Banshee Queen, Sylvanas was never go...

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Huh

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Unless they retconned it or she faked everything there

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Gonna hafta go with Retcon after seeing that quote

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 6:38 PM

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seemed a convenient way to get rid of Varimathras while pinning the blame on a rogue apothecary, washing Sylvanas’ hands of any wrongdoing.

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That seems very Sylvanas like

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Hmmm

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Well then

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Shit that really does bring things in to perspective

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If she's literally been screwing people since WotLK.. Damn.

tropic trail Sep 11, 2019, 6:46 PM

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Sylvanas did not ordered the Wrathgate, as stated in Chronicles 3 and even in the new novel Before the Storm

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however, in Chronicles 3 they mentioned that there are rumors, Sylvanas was expecting Putress to betray her and she somehow knew that something like this could happen

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that interview is simple a misspoke or was meant differently. Like shes responsible for it because she ordered the creation of the blight in the first place

uncut lintel Sep 11, 2019, 8:06 PM

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spooky scary worgens cant wait to play, its really got me hyped up and i cant stay away

languid yoke Sep 11, 2019, 8:17 PM

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pls ptr build today

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marked as rc

uncut vault Sep 11, 2019, 8:20 PM

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No actual story shows that she ordered the wrathgate, but Afrasiabi seems to be trying to retcon it into her having ordered it, or known about it and allowed it

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Despite no story lining up

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Chronicle also retconned Saurfang Jr.’s death to be by blight instead of Arthas

ancient jasper Sep 11, 2019, 8:33 PM

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crosses fingers C'mon PTR build!

uncut lintel Sep 11, 2019, 8:36 PM

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saaame

tropic trail Sep 11, 2019, 8:40 PM

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@uncut vault I dont think you can retcon actuall Lore that was ingame and was mentioned in the most novels. Also, did they really retconned Saurfang Jr death? How the hell ? He literally died in an ingame Cinematic through Arthas sword

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What they can retcon is, Sylvanas knowing about Putress plan but let it happen on purpose with the hope Arthas would die

uncut vault Sep 11, 2019, 8:43 PM

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You underestimate blizzards ability to retcon to fit their current narrative

tropic trail Sep 11, 2019, 8:44 PM

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no but for real, I did missed that part with saurfang jr

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did they actually killed him with blight in the chronicles?

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Well, lets remember that BC and WotlK aren't 100% in game

uncut vault Sep 11, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Yes, he’s listed as a part of the thousands of casualties by blight alongside Bolvar

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📎 image0.png

glossy gorge Sep 11, 2019, 8:50 PM

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in early wotlk beta datamining Putress's line were labeled as Sylvanas

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https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/614436-*SPOILERS*-Sylvanas-Betrayal

Posted as off-topic in another thread a long time ago, but new information is available now:

Also, they've found something else in the wotlk beta files you might want to try and wrap your head around, it seems that Sylvanas will finally betray their Horde allies in WotLK too:

terse patrol Sep 11, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Ye, I don't like that retcon.

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I liked the Lich Kings surprise.

tropic trail Sep 11, 2019, 8:51 PM

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but that doesnt say that Saurfang was killed by the blight

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or does it?

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 8:51 PM

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"Dranosh saurfang"

upper remnant Sep 11, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Isn't that because dataminers never know who says what at first ?

uncut vault Sep 11, 2019, 8:52 PM

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That’s correct

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Lines are not put to an NPC for initial datamining

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Especially back in wrath

tropic trail Sep 11, 2019, 8:52 PM

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yea I dont think that this line is actually saying Saurfang JR was killed by the light

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just that thousands died after the lich king left

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some through the blight

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but in the old soldier cinematic

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Saurfangs JR body is intact

upper remnant Sep 11, 2019, 8:53 PM

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the wording implies the blight kill them though

zealous basalt Sep 11, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Remember that we defeat him later on

tropic trail Sep 11, 2019, 8:53 PM

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while all the other soldiers melted who got hitted with the blight