i hope LFU dont happen tho
#beta-ptr-spoilers
zealous basalt
Make her an unique
dense plover
yes
night swift
God I remember before bfa even came out my friends and I discussed the possibility of LFU
Then we saw the mess that was the story
terse patrol
Idk
I think this is referring to her.
“She is not the last, but the first.”
@dense plover
dense plover
when was that line said?
and what was said before it?
im pretty sure you are taking it out of context
sudden oak
LFU is just a massive middle finger to every bit and scrap of undead lore
terse patrol
Its literally N’zoth whispers during the Uunat fight. @dense plover
The Light has struck a bargain with the enemy of all.
Six seats at the high table. Six mouths that hunger. One will consume all others.
The veil wanes. His crown will open the way.
The fall of night reveals her true face. She will bring only ruin.
When the arrow finds its mark, the last fetter will fall away.
I alone can save you from what is to come.
It grows hungrier... bolder. Alas, your eyes are closed.
He gave himself to the deep places. He gave himself to me.
She is not the last, but the first. Drown her and you will see.
Heres all the prophecy whispers.
dense plover
Drown her and you will see
also
it doesnt make sense as calia
"She is not the last"
the last of what? the menethil line?
dense plover
XD
zealous basalt
i stg
dense plover
that doesnt make sense in this context dude
She is not the last, but the first
that doesnt make sense for someone who is the first
there havent been lightforged undead
you are literally disregarding the firsst half
terse patrol
How does that- what.
She is not the last. Meaning there is one of (thing). But the first. Meaning there will be more of (thing).
Not sure how that’s hard to understand.
dense plover
no
she is not the last implies there were more before her and we are assuming she is the last
but she isnt
shes the first
terse patrol
Who is it referring to then?
terse patrol
How many hers are there in the story that it could refer to?
dense plover
last of the proudmoore line
terse patrol
What is she the first of?
terse patrol
She literally isn’t the last of the Proudmoore line, what the fuck.
Tandred exists.
terse patrol
Little brother.
dense plover
it doesnt really work for either of them
terse patrol
Jaina is the second child.
terse patrol
Derek is the first.
zealous basalt
Alleria then?
terse patrol
How is that a prophecy if void elves exist already?
You both are struggling hard to make it not Calia.
zealous basalt
Because it would mean that there are a bunch of lightforged undead on the way
terse patrol
And?
Calia is clearly associated with the Scarlet Crusade plotline we’ve seen datamined.
Her outfit? Had red accents.
Has*
I honestly think she’s going to wipe out the Scarlets and raise them.
uncut vault
If we have have more light undead, I hope they go that route
and not existing forsaken
zealous basalt
...Don't you think that's a little rough?
terse patrol
Not really.
They are insane.
And we already know from Legion that undeath cured Whitemane of insanity.
terse patrol
Yes.
They are trying to reform in the datamined quest.
Also, she could raise already dead Scarlets too.
Just saying, I think that’s the direction they’re going.
I doubt they’re bringing the Scarlets just for a meaningless one-off.
Especially since their pamphlets show they know about Calia being undead.
Which means one of the Scarlets we recruited in Legion is telling people what they saw in the Priest Order Hall.
crystal spade
i dont necessarily think the scarlets were insane
think scarlets are just the result of overtly zealous fantics
terse patrol
Brotherhood of the Light were zealots.
However, Balnazzar sowed insanity in the ranks to keep them blind.
crystal spade
what do you mean "sowed insanity"
do you mean to say he literally turned them all mad somehow
terse patrol
Weeding out the skeptical ones, using twisted dogma to drive people deeper into religious madness.
This sort of stuff happens IRL.
crystal spade
yeah again, that isnt really insanity
crystal spade
if you take someone from the westboros baptist church and remove the intense zealotry that they've cultured from that individual, they're no more sane than your average person
who said it was insanity?
crystal spade
what do you mean? balnazzar was killed in vanilla, he's been dead for years
he returned in cata to kill the ones in stratholme, and those were the risen
and in legion he didnt even have any relation to the scarlets
uncut vault
the scarlets have been corrupted and mad since Balnazzar infiltrated them. Whitemane was only freed from that corruption and madness in death. It isnt that complicated
they had existing zealotry, yes
but they got to the place they are now because of corruption
not ideals
crystal spade
what do you mean "corruption"
crystal spade
can you find me an example of any piece of lore saying that?
that balnazzar infused the scarlets with maddening magic?
uncut vault
every single scarlet we ally with
talks about leaving the order because they discovered the corruption within it
this is like
literally the fundamental part of the scarlet crusade
crystal spade
i think you're taking the use of that term way too literally-- when we're referring to, say, corruption in politics, nobody's trying to seriously claim there's some serious dark magic being infused in politicians that turns them insane
uncut vault
Im not sure how to dumb this down any further, so Im not gonna
I suggest reading the wiki
crystal spade
this is literally the basis of any corrupt religious organization, some incredibly charismatic and well-spoken man manages to convince everyone to adopt his views, which are more often than not malevolent, until the entire organization, which may've once had good roots, has been converted to his darker interpretation
"The Scarlet Crusade continued to cling to their scattered holdings, obsessed with eradicating the undead and retaking their once-beautiful homeland.[10] The Crusaders became intolerant of all non-human races, regardless of alliance or affiliation. They started believing that any and all outsiders were potential carriers of the undead plague - and must be destroyed.[11] "
"While he was stuck between worlds of the living and dead,[12] he killed the paladin Saidan Dathrohan[13] and possessed his body.[14] He then helped found the Scarlet Crusade, an order of knights focused on the singular goal of defeating the Scourge in all its forms. Recognizing that he wouldn't be able to twist Alexandros Mograine into his service, Balnazzar manipulated Alexandros's son Renault Mograine into killing his father with the Ashbringer. While Alexandros would be raised by Kel'Thuzad into service of the Scourge, a schism would cause a group of paladins to form a new order known as the Argent Dawn. Left unopposed, Balnazzar established control over the Scarlet Crusade, which soon became synonymous with corruption and extremism.[15]"
balnazzar's a dreadlord, his type of corruption is all about manipulation
again, i would be incredibly interested in whatever source you have that says he literally magically corrupted them into being insane, because from what i've read so far everything seems to say, or at the least imply, that he manipulated the already-zealous crusaders
dull flame
No heritage armor for worgen?
plain vigil
Not yet
storm marsh
Morning, are realms up?
languid yoke
nop
pretty sure the datamining ninjas at wowhead would immediatelly get broadcast text once realms go live.
and if I hadn't flooded screenshots/transmog enough, then I definitely would've once they are live :3
deft carbon
I saw ingame screenshots in twitter
languid yoke
servers never were up so /shrug
mellow coyote
Is this that what lightforged undead may look like ?
tidal stone
Kill all undead
smoky mural
If they make her a forsaken leader just kill them all it will be better
mellow coyote
"Calia's corpse was later sent to the Netherlight Temple, and the Naaru Sa'ara revived her as an undead touched by the Light. Now seeing herself as the same as the Forsaken, Calia wants to learn under Faol's guidance how to be an undead walking under the Light. "
uncut vault
she can see herself as forsaken all she likes
she isnt one, by definition
even after Golden tried her very hardest to change that definition
smoky mural
She is the opposite of a forsaken
mellow coyote
but i think its save calling her a undead
maybe lightforged undead will be a thing for the alliance
tropic trail
better that bitch stays in the alliance
mellow coyote
beside of a pale skin tone and shiny eyes there is not much changeing her from average human, so she probally stays alliance
smoky mural
May God have mercy
upper remnant
Go(l)d(en) has no mercy sadly
meager zodiac
either side loses
alliance gets them, it becomes the redudant human faction even more
that steals horde themes
if they go horde, forsaken get destroyed
the literal only solution for the long term for calia
is 6 feet under after we loot her costume
uncut vault
maybe she'll drop her shoulders and headdress as a raid boss
and thats why mmo champ datamined her model without them
languid yoke
and then we kill all helfs, right?
assuming there's any left in-game in the first place
smoky mural
We can after my month of penance
storm marsh
Omg can the realms go up already
ionic terrace
It's only 4am there 😛
uncut lintel
I could barely sleep, I think 8.2.5 is stopping me
storm marsh
You think they gonna put the realms up once they arrive at their job
zealous basalt
...Did we register a phone when making our Bnet Accounts?
or does it take the phone number of the Authenticator?
dull flame
i think they mean phone authenticator
i guess from there they can take number
like google does with its mail
zealous basalt
think so?
Well
it doesn't make sense because if you don't log with the authenticator in the launcher it still asks it later
dull flame
or they mearly added phone as option that is yet to come
where you can prob put a phone number in account details
to replace those authenticators they used to produce
zealous basalt
Which is weird
because b-net also gives the chance to log with phone
but i don't remember giving the phone number
oop
we already did
dull flame
😹 bnet has my ID and my entire bank history by now
and how google is selling our data they prob know more about me then me 😄
zealous basalt
kek
tropic trail
are servers still down?
languid yoke
yes
zealous basalt
still down?
dense plover
Probably until 11am PST
tropic trail
so 2hrs or so
dense plover
At the earliest
They might not come up until next week - this build might not be gameplay functional
tropic trail
languid yoke
they are perfect * - *
storm marsh
And the female worgen have new too
uncut lintel
maybe
languid yoke
wth just checked and why do female worgen have like twice as many options as male worgen when latter is clearly superior
:(
storm marsh
It was always like that
The skin/fur color above is the 2nd gray option
But looks much different
languid yoke
yeah I know it was always like that but since I didn't consider female worgen as... worgen until now, I never bothered to even look at them
I mean there's a reason why worgen were one of the, if not the only race where there's more males than females
lusty tendon
I mostly played females cause of the running animation, just had to have a helm that covered enough of the face
strange falcon
"Its too dark in this cave" "i got just the perfect solution" roughly grabs nearby worgens head and squeezes its face "there you go"
zealous basalt
ahahaha
tropic trail
no Saurfang cinematic on ChinaJoy im guessing?
upper remnant
Please no
ionic terrace
Sourfong
tropic trail
lol
storm marsh
So I was thinking: 3 Allied races that would be exciting personally for me.
Unbound Undead (alliance - calia style)
Tigon (horde) cat race
Vulpera neutral (or actually horde?)
smoky mural
tigon are a no because they don't feature in bfa
storm marsh
I know, its also wierd how in troll expansion there are no sign of them
terse patrol
Botani for the Alliance would be cool.
languid yoke
I never heard of Tigon before, and we know Saberon are in the Barrens now. Why not just have Saberon
storm marsh
I dont think saberon are friendly or even able to talk?
languid yoke
also ewww botani
Leorajh could talk
and was friendly
and that one Gorgrond saberon
Sasha I think was his name
storm marsh
Vanilla wow
languid yoke
oh those
storm marsh
There are female too
languid yoke
weren't they removed in the ZG revamp
tropic trail
no more furrys pls
storm marsh
I expected these in zuldazar
languid yoke
more furries pls
tropic trail
no
languid yoke
why no
tropic trail
storm marsh
No they werent, the female troll from new zul gurub transforms into black female tigon mid fight
languid yoke
do you want the 10482th elf?
tropic trail
yes
tropic trail
10x better then every stupid furry
terse patrol
more elves
languid yoke
(spoilers they are furries sssssh)
terse patrol
Gib high elves
languid yoke
no
tropic trail
they arent furrys
languid yoke
gib a proper race
storm marsh
Well
languid yoke
you don't have to, you have your belf and velf and nelf and uglyborne to do that
storm marsh
Not the uglyborne 😂
tropic trail
furrys are the definition of weebs and erp, thats why I dont like them
languid yoke
You do realize there's a reason why elves in dnd are commonly referred to as a slutty race by players?
zealous basalt
We need muscle characters like jojo vampires that say wryy
languid yoke
Silvermoon is the horde ERP capital
I'm gonna say Elves are as much the definition of ERP as furries, if not even more.
terse patrol
wat
tropic trail
pigs can fly
terse patrol
Elves inherently can be played in a chaste fashion. Furries are doomed to being sexual.
languid yoke
ty
plain vigil
@terse patrol you already have high elves playable in game 😄
oak wing
No more elves to the game, seriously. We already have enough of them.
uncut lintel
Ikr
oak wing
Or well, if the game is still giving us new races/allied races in 10 years time and we have had like a dozen other races, then sure. But not now.
raven folio
What is that @storm marsh
storm marsh
The cat race?
raven folio
Yes
storm marsh
It's Tigon from Vanilla, aka not a real race but something Trolls transformed into
oak wing
What we need are Vrykul, Ogres, Naga, Broken, Tuskar, San'layn, Ankoan, Gilgoblin, Mechagnome, Wolvar and Mok'nathal as allied races.
tropic trail
i want Tuskarr, Ankoan & Vrykul
Naga is not going to happen
no legs = not playable
oak wing
Just make the boots and pants models invisible on them, fixed.
storm marsh
Yall do know allied races are races that use existing skeleton
tropic trail
getting Naga is like getting murlocs not going to happen lol
raven folio
Hmmm never heard of them. Now i need to research them lol
oak wing
Well as full on races and allied races then.
oak wing
Zandalari males use male NE animations and the females use the female troll animations. So not really different.
oak wing
At least some of the animations on Zandalari male is NE, that much I do know. Haven't played NE for years.
restive pasture
Just about every animation is recycled from something else at this point
oak wing
I just wish they fixed the head on Zandalari males when they walk. It's way too high up towards the sky.
raven folio
I'm curious if allied races will continue. Not sure how much work goes into them.but I dont see us getting 8 races an expac
long blade
shoulve made it fair and make new ones for zanda and every new race
ionic terrace
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limber mural
@oak wing bruh they look like everyone else is beneath them and they're right
misty blaze
i wanna see blizzard give us high elf allied race a perfect quest for that would be us doing a somewhat long chain quest to find a cure to revert the undead status on sylvanas and reunite her with her sisters once more they could rule as three and faction unification would happen ending the war of wars.
long blade
Lol not gonna happen
tropic trail
Pad dont summon servers
misty blaze
i can make it happen
ionic terrace
😦
long blade
Lol why would she want to be mortal again
misty blaze
she isnt immortal either
misty blaze
arthas killed her and raised her with magic correct?
well heres the thing about magic.. every kind of magic has a property alignment of some sorts meaning there is a way the thing can be reversed
you just have to think out of the box
oak wing
Sylvanas is a lost cause already. It would be better to give us new characters and not just keep every old character around. When she burned that tree, she can never do enough good to fix that.
She should die in this or next expansion.
misty blaze
i dont wanna see her off'd she sthe only good looking female left on horde side
long blade
from a character perspective
night swift
Looks aren’t everything you know
misty blaze
if they had garona in game like she was on the warcraft movie she'd my goto pick
oak wing
@misty blaze As said, they should make new characters. Why not just make new females?
misty blaze
if they are look appealing to me im all for it
night swift
Yikes
misty blaze
i dont like looking at male characters
oak wing
What does the look of a character have anything to do with anything?
night swift
Cause SeX ApPeAl
zealous basalt
are servers up
misty blaze
doesnt 97.8% of men gamers prefer to look at women in games though
night swift
Fuck no
ionic terrace
@zealous basalt check
night swift
I play only male characters
misty blaze
i only made one male chgracter in my wow career and thats when i first started a undead one on shu halo
oak wing
@misty blaze We're talking about story. The gender of the character should have nothing to do with it.
ionic terrace
misty blaze
and thats cause the undead male can look like goku thats why i thought was cool
zealous basalt
pls
oak wing
Todays view on "characters personality is determined what their gender identity is", shouldn't be done. Not in WoW and not in anywhere. It doesn't matter what gender someone is when you're doing a good story.
And Dartz, you seriously need to get laid if the only reason why you want to keep Sylvanas around is because she looks good.
languid yoke
necrophilia cough
tropic trail
lol
misty blaze
you know if i had a dime for every person that told me that i'd be the worlds first quintillionaire
oak wing
I agree with you, she does look good. But I'm still able to say that she needs to die for what she has done.
misty blaze
im 40 and have no intentions of every doing that
tropic trail
i saw that @languid yoke
languid yoke
night swift
Mega yikes
tropic trail
i hope servers come up today.. i dont want to wait more lol
tropic trail
can you not talk about that here?
oak wing
... Or not talk about that at all.
tropic trail
^
oak wing
Dude, you just said the -only- reason Sylvanas should stick around is because she has tits.
You kinda walk into that one.
misty blaze
but she is hot looking.
oak wing
What does that have anything to do with the story? I was talking about story not her tits.
misty blaze
i just dont wanna see her killed off
oak wing
Give me one good reason storywise why she shouldn't die.
tropic trail
she is dead already
misty blaze
the male horde fanbois need her
tropic trail
she needs to die again
languid yoke
we really don't need her anymore
tropic trail
^
oak wing
Time to go get a beer. Someone take over.
languid yoke
there's enough fanart of her for after her death anyway
misty blaze
if she dies the allliance will wina nd thats never a good thingc ant let them win
languid yoke
and I'm sure other wow chars have boobs that you can fall in love with
tropic trail
so Dartz
misty blaze
n'zoth wants the alliance to win you just dont get it do you
tropic trail
you think Horde can beat the Alliance?
ivory meadow
Sylvanas is literally the character with a backup plan to the backup plan
tropic trail
with 1 leader?
misty blaze
sylvanas is the key to saving azeroth but the alliance justd oesnt understand that
languid yoke
sylvanas wants to turn everyone undead
misty blaze
n'zoth can't destroy the titan as long as sylvanas is alive
languid yoke
idk about you but last time I checked death was against all other magic schools
tropic trail
Assault on Stormwind
Stormwind (New) - Music: Zone-Azshara.
terse patrol
There some big brained discussion going on in here.
tropic trail
Lol
ionic terrace
blizz turn servers on pls
tropic trail
and then we also get
8.2.5 War Campaign - Dranosh'ar Blockade - KRB (New)
8.2.5 War Campaign - Orgrimmar Cemetery - KRB (New)
which i think Alliance attacks first i would assume?
languid yoke
Alliance is assumed to work together with the anti-sylvanas forces
tropic trail
and then Sylvanas' Horde attacks back?
terse patrol
My guess is Sylvanas is raising Orgrimmar’s dead.
tropic trail
oh
terse patrol
And we stop her.
misty blaze
i wont support the alliance.. they suck at pvp
tropic trail
we also suck at pve btw
misty blaze
horde has better racials.
tropic trail
sadly^
yes..
Kalimdor
8.2.5 Wow's 15th Anniversary - Football Court (New)
wtf is this
zealous basalt
Allliance can win tbh if they wanted
misty blaze
sounds like a patriots deflated football quest lol
tropic trail
LOL
misty blaze
what next a npc named tom brady
tropic trail
any news on Explorer's Jungle Hopper ?
ionic terrace
Na it would be Bom Trady
misty blaze
ahhh
i play ff14 also so i feel same ways on all them kind agame si play i guess i get too attached to female fictional characters
did you all see the 9.0 videos im sure we will see hear mroe at blizzcon
tropic trail
more of what
misty blaze
there was a leak of 9.0
zealous basalt
Those are fake
tropic trail
^
misty blaze
guess we wont know til blizzcon i guess
tropic trail
First, Im a Sylvanas loyalist and there are so many reasons why she should stay around. The most important one is that she is one of the most interesting Characters wow has, and she keeps the Story interesting in a way, characters like Baina, Thrall and Anduin will never be able without completely changing their characters
second
liking Sylvanas only because she looks hot is disgusting
misty blaze
i really dont see any more patches beyond 8.3 of this expansion remember they try to relewase expansions every 2 years
tropic trail
I hate those necro fanboys much more then those who are anti sylvanas
misty blaze
8.2.5 is gonna be minor patch and 8.3 most likely last end game raid
tropic trail
Sylvanas has much more then undead tits, really sad if this is the only reason you like her
misty blaze
well i do like her sister alleria better
tropic trail
get out of here
ivory meadow
bro you got some problems
tropic trail
8.3.5 is the last patch :p
misty blaze
i have problems just cause i dont wanna have a real life gf/bf yeah whatever thats my choice not yours.. last i checked you wernt god
misty blaze
then dont suggest i have issues.
tropic trail
you have issues if this is the case, but this is not the problem here
the problem is, that this is not a "waifu" channel
misty blaze
this is the ptr room ill change the subject now
tropic trail
If you dont want to talk about ptr lore and the lore about the characters without saying you wanna bang them, then this is not your channel
forest sphinx
Can we please stick to the subject of this channel?
ivory meadow
enough with the shaming.
misty blaze
well if they do have the event where you have to kill her i wont do it they cant force me to.
i am just pissed at blizzard for off'ng ysera ill never forgive themf or that ever.
anyways... what do you think is gonna happen in next raid
tropic trail
Sylvanas isnt going to die this expansion, its a 99,99 % safe bet
she will lead us into the next one, thats the most likely scenario
misty blaze
i dont like andruin
forest sphinx
I don't think Sylvanas is going to last this expansion
upper temple
She is an interesting character
forest sphinx
And I think the next raid is going to be at Thunder Bluff
tropic trail
Sylvanas will last this expansion, 99,99%
misty blaze
i hope so.
upper temple
She gas a great lore, and she gives us something to argue about
misty blaze
hopefully jaina will be around also for decades to come she's too important on the alliance side
tropic trail
considering all the interviews we had, where Ion said there is a ton more to come for Sylvanas her story and that they literally said over 5x in different interviews she isnt Garrosh 2.0 , there is no way for her to die this xpac
upper temple
It won't make no sense if they kill her
tropic trail
If 8.3 isnt going to be an Nzoth raid (what most likely will) and Sylvanas will end in a Raid, then she will escape like all the other warbringers before
misty blaze
we dont even know her agenda yet
forest sphinx
Something tells me that Sylvanas isn't really her right now
misty blaze
all we know is she has no intentions of winning the war
tropic trail
this would be weird, since we have her inner thoughts in novels
zealous basalt
That's how sylvanas is
tropic trail
but I think its possible that she is corerupted or what ever
forest sphinx
What if she's being controlled by N'zoth?
upper temple
Don't think so
tropic trail
possible, but would be really lazy and a shit of a story
forest sphinx
We know that Azshara has been under the eye N'zoth for a long time now, presumed since Lich King
misty blaze
i think the next expansions is gonna be into the void themed and pre patch we will have to go to shadowlands to get research and what not
upper temple
They told us she isn't a Garrosh 2.0
Garrosh, in the end, was under yshaarj influence
zealous basalt
Shadowlands isn't void
tropic trail
^
forest sphinx
I think N'zoth has been pulling more strings then what we've been led to believe
And I also think that we will have some answers this coming patch
upper temple
Yeah but i don't think Nzoth control her
tropic trail
Nzoth is totaly playing horde and alliance , yes
misty blaze
wraithion is back though so that cant be good
forest sphinx
And damn does he look good
tropic trail
but I hope there is still no corruption involved in Sylvanas
would be such a lazy story
zealous basalt
Has an attitude problem, but he is good
upper temple
I don't trust Wrathion
forest sphinx
When did Sylvanas start going batshit crazy?
tropic trail
she changed after Woltk
when she got her Valkyrs and saw the infinite hell
with cata
misty blaze
she changed once bolvar became lich king
forest sphinx
Something changed with the Old Gods since that moment. That's my theory.
misty blaze
im just glad illidan is gone he shouldnt have killed the light
deft carbon
PTR still offline?
forest sphinx
Yes @deft carbon
And I'm replaying through the entire game so that I can remember the story. Started leveling an Alliance after playing horde for so long
misty blaze
im excited about the bee mount
ivory meadow
it is likely won't be online today
forest sphinx
I'd say 11am
ivory meadow
it is 11 am over there
forest sphinx
Oh yeah lol I live here and I wasn't paying attention to the time
misty blaze
i sure hope they resolved finding groups for the timewalking raid the pugging thing takes too damn long
they shoulda just used the lfr format for timewalking
mystic heart
can someone ping me if servers is up 😄
zealous basalt
I can say that as of 02:30 they aren't up
long blade
Why are they taking so long
ionic terrace
¯_(ツ)_/¯
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The Art of World of Warcraft 2019 Calendar
it was blizzards way of sneakily revealing everything to us so the The Art of World of Warcraft 2019 Calendar confirms what is to come, I was wondering why the 2018 legion calendar and previous ones has artwork of that xpac but that the 2019 BFA one did not have much spoilers of what is to come then I noticed something when I changed the month to August
jan azshara we all knew azshara was the part we were all waiting for
feb was a draenei in a destroyed draenor and we find out the mag'har orc scneario of the fanatic draenei
march more azshara N'zoth corrupted
june jaina she was 8.1 raid boss
july orc on a crucifix we found out thrall is coming back aka green jesus
August arthas, we find out 8.2.5 datamining tht Arthas older sister Calia is coming into play into the game
september shows saurfang in a battle, we know the durotar warfront is coming thanks to datamining recently and pretty sure saurfang will be in that story arc probably even 8.2.5 in september
October shows jaina going in the boat from her warbringer vid BUT also can confirm shadowlands, as she is riding down the river cave with the ferrymaster as in the ferrymaster that can bring u into the underworld/hades which shadowlands is based on!!!!
November is sylvanas and blizzcon where we most likely find out sylvanas is a raid boss being the last warbringer and all
December is teldrassil and this refers to 8.3 also revealing whats next for teldrassil and lorderon story arc with tyrande/sylvanas and personally to me confirms the early leaked gilneas warfront will be coming as well
dense plover
Shadowlands is not based on hades
It’s based on old Native American stuff about a shadowland
Like New Orleans myths too
I think you could be overthinking things
And they’ve said Sylvanas isn’t gonna be a raid boss
Everyone keeps pushing the warbringer raid boss thing
Sylvanas was a warbringer at the start of the expac
The other two got raids because they weren’t
obtuse vine
Actually I copied this message from another discord xd
I just thought it is interesting
forest sphinx
Wait. Is the PTR up?
smoky mural
no
ionic terrace
restive pasture
That faction icon thing might just be a cosmetic thing
tropic trail
im sure its just cosmetic
restive pasture
A quick way to tell which faction that toon is without clicking on it
ionic terrace
i don't think the class names were colored either?
night swift
Thats new
ionic terrace
like why does it even matter lmao
night swift
Ease of access
ionic terrace
ye
storm marsh
Had to share this here 😂
languid yoke
I wouldn't mind factions to be abolished anyway personally
night swift
Same
night swift
With how many other mmos don’t let factions conflict with player interaction it kinda makes wow feel like the odd man out
sullen dawn
True, all my guild/raiding buddies are alliance but I wanna play Tauren 😦
flint atlas
man, i'm playing around with the new male worgen model and i'm seriously disappointed that i can't get my death knight looking the same as he did before. it looks like they changed the colour of the fur on the face i used for him
plain vigil
Me with Deus Vulp @sullen dawn
sullen dawn
De Us Vulp?
plain vigil
Vulpera shall take the holy Land!
strange falcon
its as unlikely as gnome paladins but imagine a pair of giant golden shoulderpads shouting "for the holy land!"
deft carbon
misty blaze
i want a dragon allied race
misty blaze
wanna play as a green dragon in memoru of ysera
tropic trail
i give up with servers coming up this week lol
strange falcon
i strongly believe blizz did allied races to make a few races in between fullfledged races and the community has absurdly snowballed and you get "i want to play as a campfire"
and now they lowkey hate alliedraces even though it makes them a lot of money
ionic terrace
why would they set up the forums and such if it was gonna be a datamine build tho
i'm just clinging onto hope, don't mind me 
strange falcon
🤔
plain vigil
🧐
tropic trail
Vulpera should get deleted
plain vigil
Lmao I love how people get mad about new animal races, when animal races have been a key part of Warcraft since its beginning
Furries ruined anthromorphism change my mind
tropic trail
lol
i dont like Vulpera
but i like worgen
nothing to do with furries
i just hate Vulpera
i want to kill them all
zealous basalt
Anything new with the ptr?
ionic terrace
no
plain vigil
Anything new off the ptr?
crystal spade
we should have a lore discussion channel . . . .
also no probably not
ptr still isnt up and wowhead hasnt released anything
zealous basalt
This is going to kill me
ionic terrace
🙂 monday is fine
tropic trail
Pad how about Tuesday :p
ionic terrace
🙂
zealous basalt
Also don't you feel weird that we haven't got anything else from data mining?
ionic terrace
Well marl said they encrypted quite a bit
zealous basalt
Those fuckos
ionic terrace
plus since servers aren't up yet....
plain vigil
It wouldn't make sense to wait for Tuesday
I would understand not releasing today because they don't want something game breaking that they'd have to fix over the weekend
unborn glacier
Actually it would make sense
Build as much hype as possible
Plus, later this month, WoW Classic launches
plain vigil
No, feasil's tweet was probably about weekly reset
Looking forward to his M+ chest and raid night
dense plover
i dont think he plays anymore
secondly they very clearly planned to deploy tuesday - they tried this build, we got data
but theres probably still something wrong
also, if it was about reset, it wouldnt make sense
friday was when they released the vendor build
like, an hour after he tweeted
plain vigil
The devs have a guild... Why would he be so passionate about companion pets, tmog, and mounts if he wasn't playing still!!?
He tweeted that on a Monday.
Vendor build was on the previous week
Y'all thinking this too deep
round lake
Who doesnt.play anymore
If you're suggesting feasel I don't know who you can't to that conclusion
unreal minnow
PTR is OFF 😦
forest sphinx
They've been having power outages over in Irvine so I'm guessing the PTR being off has to deal with that
worn orbit
I heard something about the new worgen models was making it crash (or it may just be the number of people rolling worgen on ptr to try them out, Gilneas had a lot of phasing in their start zone)
forest sphinx
Internal testing might've been crashing
dense plover
We don’t know tho
So the ‘I heard’ is bullshit
They just haven’t gone up - to our knowledge it hasn’t even been deployed on the servers
Could be for a bunch of different reasons
zealous basalt
like torture
languid yoke
but it's us who are getting tortured
zealous basalt
exactly
plain vigil
Those faction icons tho. 😏
Will I finally be able to play a gnome on the horde? Or a Tauren on the alliance? 😏
Who knows! We sure don't
dense plover
No clue - it may actually be true. They are adding faction icons to the login screen for characters so it might be possible that instead of your race determining your faction it might end up being like in some other MMOs where you choose a race then a faction
worn orbit
I fear what that will end up doing for the narrative.
Only pretty races will get development and all the monstrous ones may be relegated to sidekick roles.
Even worse than it already is.
dense plover
Well, if it’s part of a level overhaul and such, it might make some sense
It really depends
night swift
Who knows, the end of bfa could be a fucking world reset for all we know
dense plover
Especially if they get the bronze dragons involved
worn orbit
Possible but honestly i can't think of why anyone on Alliance would wanna join the Horde right now.
plain vigil
Money
worn orbit
The Horde's started many wars and lost all of them.
calm plank
reorigination time
storm marsh
I think that's absurd theory
languid yoke
I wouldn'T want to pick a faction - I would like to play with the opposing faction, though
worn orbit
And frankly the Alliance seems in a stronger economic position.
languid yoke
but any of my alliance chars going and staying horde? No wy
none of my worgen will ever join the forsaken faction
plain vigil
Profiting off of war @worn orbit
worn orbit
Yeah but they had a whole quest about how only Gallywix is really profitting that way.
That and stealing from the Zandalari's temples
plain vigil
Well I've had a theory for the longest time that the universe "resets" every time our hero dies. Basically we die, the things invade Azeroth and succeed, void consumes all, big bang, rinse and repeat. We just skip back to where our character was at last in the story. IE why we have to return near our body
zealous basalt
Too much undertale
worn orbit
^
plain vigil
Lol
worn orbit
Not to knock Undertale though.
But nah they canonized spirit healers in chronicle :P
They're Val'kyr that deserted Odyn bizarrely enough.
zealous basalt
I mean
plain vigil
Every raid wipe? Universe resets
zealous basalt
That blue dragon was the mate of one spirit healer in vanilla
worn orbit
They dated I dunno if physics would permit uh
anything else
Also that was Cata ya fool
Poor Azuregos was a raid boss in Vanilla.
zealous basalt
Hah, that's how they meet
unborn glacier
I really hope they don't do some kind of Faction revamp
I love this game because of the strict distinctions between the Factions
I don't want Alliance races being able to be played in the Horde and vise versa
It'd destroy the core essence of the game.
zealous basalt
For the first time I am with Skye
tropic trail
Yea alliance stay away from our Horde!
worn orbit
I just want Blizz to make up their minds
tropic trail
and Sylvanas' Horde stay away from the Alliance
languid yoke
and Sylvanas stay away from the Horde
upper remnant
I wouldn't mind some kind of feature to do quests/dungeons/raids with cross faction friends but from a pure gameplay perspective and 0 changes in the lore.
languid yoke
^^^^^^^
oak wing
I'd want a third faction type of deal. Like Argent Crusade or something where all races are welcomed. Then just keep Horde and Alliance as their own thing.
stiff vector
did some looking into the next story beat, posted my findings so far here if anyone cares, no direct spoilers but there's definitely a bunch of story stuff in 8.2.5 likely meant for a delayed release https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2420660-BfA-Patch-Speculation-thread-(8-3-and-later)?p=51458104&viewfull=1#post51458104
tropic trail
where we can be evil without someone is being annoying with his honor bullshit
zealous basalt
srsly tho
I loved when they proved horde could be evil
but then no
they has to be honorable
oak wing
You can't just turn one faction straight up evil and force players in that faction to go with it if they don't want to.
zealous basalt
2bad
oak wing
Personally I don't even agree that the Horde would of stood by and let Sylvanas go on for this long. They rebelled against Garrosh for much less.
zealous basalt
Yes, but Garrosh actually harmed his own members, Sylvanas hasn't really gone violent against the horde
oak wing
So raising up tauren/orcs etc that goes directly against their beliefs isn't going against the Horde?
zealous basalt
She isn't harming anyone directly right? And in the end it is enough to crush the alliance, which is what every Horde member strieve for, eh?
oak wing
No. Not even close. Do you really think a tauren would approve of necromancy just to beat Alliance?
night swift
Hell no they wouldnt
oak wing
You have a really wrong picture about the Horde, Makore.
night swift
The thing about the whole thing with the horde right now is we’ve only seen how high up members are acting
We dont get to see like, grunt’s perspectives, or people that aren’t like a general or higher
oak wing
When Teldrassil was burned down all my Horde members left Orgrimmar and went to Booty Bay and I've been RPing there ever since.
zealous basalt
What did you expect from an Alliance member that has only seen that most of the leaders didn't care about the burning until it was too late?
oak wing
Uuuh, what? If the King doesn't tell you straight up what they're going to be doing about it, it doesn't mean they don't care.
zealous basalt
I meant the Horde on the book, didn't everything go well until Saurfang doubted about his own plan?
smoky mural
Yes
oak wing
It all went to shit and way beyond that when Sylvanas burned down Teldrassil.
smoky mural
No
oak wing
Yes, it actually did go to shit.
smoky mural
When he didn't kill malf like he planed to
oak wing
If I was told to kill innocents when I was in the army, I wouldn't of followed that order either.
zealous basalt
But you aren't there
smoky mural
Malf isn't innocent
tropic trail
What Sylvanas did in the siege of lordaeron is really nothing that surprising. Even in real life there were enough War situations, where the commandors just sacrificed their soldiers to get the greater win. Which is for sure not morraly okay
zealous basalt
And actually they didn't were going to kill anyone when they were going to take the tree iirc
smoky mural
He kills like 2 squads of horde troups
zealous basalt
But for that Malfurion had to die
oak wing
Sylvanas is a poor leader for several reasons. There is no changing that.
smoky mural
So is suarfang and thrall
zealous basalt
She had to burn the tree or otherwise it would have been a total loss
tropic trail
Sylvanas has poor moments and great moments, like all the written characters
smoky mural
And baine and malf
zealous basalt
With this she managed to minimize damages to the horde
by inflicting a grave wound to the Alliance
tropic trail
what you cant change is, that she is described in lore as a genius and cunning leader
zealous basalt
Like people forget that the burning was caused by their "most honorable" character that is Saurfang
When, thanks to his lack of action because his honor senses were tingling, he didn't kill Malfurion
long blade
People tend to only see what favors them
smoky mural
Not the burning but everything to it
zealous basalt
Well, indirect
smoky mural
And he is fine with the burning
zealous basalt
He isn't
smoky mural
End of a good war
tropic trail
he is not fine with the burning, he just agrees that what Sylvanas did was actually the true plan with killing Malfurion
smoky mural
He says she was right to burn it
zealous basalt
He hadn't any reason to yell to Sylvanas in that moment because it was his fault that Sylv was pushed to do it
tropic trail
^
zealous basalt
It's ironic
The character that actually stands as the most honorable that wants to give the Horde it's old glory
Is also the reason of why everything is happening
He just needed to stick to the plan
tropic trail
the saddest part is that the writers totaly ignore this
zealous basalt
It's the part everyone ignores
tropic trail
like there is no mentions except Tyrande at the beginning of 8.1 that Saurfang is fault too
tropic trail
exactly
zealous basalt
And im sure he is doing all of this (Good soldier and his storyline) to restore his own honr
tropic trail
old soldier and the other 2 sad cinematics are a "redemtion" for the burning of tel that blizzard is giving us
kinda: "Saurfang: we are really sorry what we did, it was not our fault, it was all Sylvanas herself"
zealous basalt
The sad part is that players are buying this
Trust me
back in 8.0.1 prepatch
Horde players: yay, we finally get to go to war again with the alliance
saurfang: wait, nvm, this is wrong because i didn't kill malfurion
tropic trail
they are buying it because the most people dont care about the lore
zealous basalt
sylv: what have u done, now i have to do something to minimize our losses
tropic trail
they see a nice looking cinematic and thats it
tropic trail
lol
zealous basalt
horde in 8.0 in a nutshel
New media comes to explain how everything happens
turns out all was Saurfang's plan
horde : nu-uh, it's sylvanas fault, she is evil, where is my moreally gray
bfa continues and players still doesnt get it
Blizz decided they can't continue with this storyline and pulls out the saurfang storyline
8.1 ptr happens: uproar of loyalists and blizz puts choices
I can assure you one thing, Tilted
Whenever the raid is Thunder Bluff and Sylvanas becomes a boss
Loyalists' mission was going to be to pretend
languid yoke
screw sylvanas, screw saurfang
tropic trail
haha yea "play along that you want to kill me"
zealous basalt
And she escapes
And I want to suppose that after that, it splits into two storylines
You following Sylvanas and nathanos
ivory meadow
burns down Tel
Saurfang: WTF
Sylvanas: War sucks, get over it.
zealous basalt
And others following whoever survives in thunder bluff
tropic trail
I would love it if we could get a option to follow Sylvanas and Nathanos after they leave the Horde
but I highly doubt that
it does look like she will betray us, Saurfang will tell us what good boys we are to be loyal to the Warchief and that he forgives us
zealous basalt
It could be agents
After all the PC seems to be that expert of deceiving that no one knows they work for sylvanas
unborn glacier
Ya know whats freaking hilarious?
The vast majority of the War of Thorns was planned by Saurfang
Including send in rogues well before the war broke out, to slaughter unsuspecting Night elves; guards, sentinels, civilians. Anything that would get in the way.
Source: A Good War
unborn glacier
If that big green idiot had just executed Malf, Teld would still be standing
unborn glacier
xD
"FFS. Now I have to make up for your fuck up,"
burns the tree
"WHY WOULD YOU DO THAt?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
zealous basalt
And that was to have a little of grip on the Horde
unborn glacier
"Maybe next time you'll just stick to the plan, eh?"
zealous basalt
Because people don't think of the what would have happened if Sylvanas had gone back to Orgrimmar with a big loss
First of all she would have executed Saurfang there
unborn glacier
I would have done it myself
zealous basalt
And then probably disband the whole horde to not suffer more losses
unborn glacier
Thats a lil extreme
zealous basalt
Would you prefer the enemy just hunting you than risking the whole Horde?
unborn glacier
The horde actually would have turned on her if she marched back into Org after having wasted lives and resources for nothing
unborn glacier
Tho, I suspect she'd be able to place the blame squarely on Saurfangs big dumb shoulders
zealous basalt
Either way it would be a big loss
Because if you place the blame on someone that valued by your people, it's a big hit to the morale
unborn glacier
Yup. Although, getting rid of Saurganf wouldnt be that much of a loss tbh
Screw your personal honor BS, orc
worn orbit
Saurfang used to be really good, Blizz really mishandled him for BFA
unborn glacier
No. Saurfang has always been marred by his own personal sense of honor.
worn orbit
Why didn't they just give us an actual Grey Morality war? Why have Sylv go all off the rails?
night swift
Who knows anymore
tropic trail
because Gameplay first. And if there is something that have to happen gameplay wise, blizzard will find a way to make that happen
Sylvanas was the most obvious choice for going into another War in the same scenario like it was with MoP
limber mural
thanks for that input
plain vigil
Tbh morally grey is exactly what I'd call Sylvanas. Like Thanos. She has good intentions she's just going by it in a very immoral way
night swift
^
ivory meadow
^
night swift
She also can’t really go the right way anymore
She undead, which practically every single race on Azeroth hates and wants destroyed
Scourge*
plain vigil
I just think "morally grey" was memed out of the water so people don't really get what they meant. Morally grey doesn't necessarily mean good actions. You can do the right things for the wrong reasons, or the wrong things for the right reasons. If we find out she's been doing the wrong things for the wrong reasons then we have a right to complain. If not, no point in arguing or complaining about it. Sylvanas has always been an evil character, the fandom just loves her too much to accept that, cause oversexualized elf corpse is edgy.
terse patrol
Does she have good intentions?
plain vigil
We won't know till the end of the xpsc
terse patrol
Pretty sure the books already said she basically sees her people as her meat shield.
They serve to keep her alive.
plain vigil
We never got in her head in the book. We only heard what other characters heard. We still don't know what her deal with Helya was, nor do we completely understand what she saw beyond death
terse patrol
She’s inherently selfish, and suddenly making her selfless would be vomit worthy.
ivory meadow
this isn't about making her selfless, such a concept just doesn't exist
plain vigil
She's always been selfish. The fanboys just refused to accept that
tropic trail
The problem is not that shes being selfish, the problem is that people are judging her for that. Everyone in her position would be selfish, literally everyone, realistically
No one would want to get tortured in a uber hell for the infinite
plain vigil
It's not even just selfishness. Everything about her is evil on all accounts. People just refuse to accept that she's chaotic evil
tropic trail
shes not chaotic evil, unless you have a different definition of that
Azshara is chaotic evil
chaotic evil is for me being evil for the sake of evil
Sylvanas is neutral evil, necessarfy evil. She has to do evil shit to survive
Also "everything about her is evil on all accopunts" is 100% wrong. its not even something you can argue about, since we have canon lore where we see a site, even really rare, where she is not pure evil
unborn glacier
I will flat out never agree with the notion she doesn't care for her people.
tropic trail
She cares for her people, it was clear clarified in the edge of night and Before the storm novel
plain vigil
Sylvanas has done too many atrocities to be concidered neutral, and she commits these chaotically. She has hissy fits and an issue with rage. It's literally illustrated by her red eyes.
tropic trail
its just she has her own way to care for them , also she has still her own selfish reasons to do so
plain vigil
I could understand chaotic neutral maybe but definitely not neutral evil
plain vigil
She's not true evil, she's chaotic evil
tropic trail
as I said, Azshara is the perfect example for a chaotic Evil character
plain vigil
Azshara is true evil. She does everything for herself only. She is methodic, she doesn't do things by random
tropic trail
Are you saying Sylvanas is random evil? Im confused
tropic trail
because literally every evil action Sylvanas did, had a reason behind it. Revenge at all costg (thats a general anti hero thing) after that, survive at all cost
yea thats where you wrong
plain vigil
But those actions were backed by her rage
tropic trail
The cinematic? Are you talking about the warbringer?
ivory meadow
the burning of Tel
plain vigil
Both
tropic trail
because thats something you can only consider if you read a good war
plain vigil
The battle for lordaeron and the burning
sullen dawn
Evil characters don't do evil stuff randomly, that's silly
tropic trail
her burning the tree was absolutely not chaotic, as you can see it in the good war novel
plain vigil
True evil isn't doing things by random chaotic evil is
sullen dawn
But there was nothing random about Arthas's actions for example
plain vigil
Undead are literally insane
sullen dawn
exactly
tropic trail
she stated that the night elves didnt lost their hopes and since the true plan failed because of Saurfang, she had to do a plan B
plain vigil
Undead have Mania. All undead by definition they are chaotic in nature
ivory meadow
clearly not.
sullen dawn
I'm not disagreeing about sylvanas tilted
I'm disagreeing with what you said about true evil characters doing evil stuff at random
plain vigil
I didn't say that
tropic trail
True evil characters are doing evil stuff for the sake of evil
and this can be random
ivory meadow
yes, actually if you do Evil because you like doing and just for the hell of it, that's being true evil
you see this all the time
plain vigil
ivory meadow
in media
sullen dawn
You're talking about chaotic evil
tropic trail
Yes, example: a true evil character find a soldiers, he defeats him, but instead oif killing him, he tortures him -. for the sake of his own fun
plain vigil
Replace Lawful with True
sullen dawn
That's chaotic evil
i.e. psychotic
lawful/true evil usually doesn't even think it's evil
tropic trail
I dont understand, how is that chaotic evil?
terse patrol
Chaotic Evil =/= random evil.
terse patrol
Chaotic Evil is an evil individual who readily breaks the status quo.
tropic trail
I see, this is how oyu define true evil
sullen dawn
lawful evil
tropic trail
well then Chaotic Evil even less fits to Sylvanas. because Sylvanas never did anything for the sake of evil
sullen dawn
agreed
terse patrol
Lawful Evil is someone who works within the system or by a personal code.
limber mural
chao neutral
terse patrol
Sylvanas is neutral evil.
sullen dawn
i told you i didn't disagree about sylvanas
yes sylvanas is neutral evil, a pure pragmastist
tropic trail
yea I was just confused about the definitions
terse patrol
She is chaotic or lawful when she needs to be.
plain vigil
Lawful evil is Legion Illidan. Neutral evil is BC Illidan. I get the neutral Evil argument for Sylvanas, but there's no way she's lawful evil
terse patrol
Arguing she isn’t evil is insane though.