The rules are per match and we never saw what rules they set, but considering the situation, it was probably anything goes
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
ruby prawn
And I don't think magic was forbidden in the movie either
It was considered cheating probably because nobody had a magic affinity (among orcs) if I remember correctly
smoky mural
it's allowed or not choose
ruby prawn
I don't remember seeing an orc using any sort of magic in the movie (other than guldan)
Are you talking about the game? In-game you can use magic by default. There is no problem with that
(in-game refers to the lore the game is based on)
ruby prawn
In-game everything is permitted
uncut vault
thats what I always find funny about the "they dont challenge sylvanas because she would cheat"
she doesnt need to cheat
shes a fucking banshee
dense plover
they dont challenge sylvanas because they would lose
makgora vs sylvanas doesnt solve anything
even if she loses she doesnt have to follow through
this could piss off some of the horde
but she would have enough to stay in power
if saurfang and friends want to remove sylvanas, they have to do it from the ground up
get the entirety of the horde to not support her as warchief
smoky mural
that and he said that she was right to burn the tree down
smoky mural
He did at the end of good war
compact glacier
that bipolar old mon switches personality again
vestal wing
He said that but he didn't mean it ... it's whole different thing.
compact glacier
He also said he followed the assassins, but he didn't mean it. or it's a whole different kind of things?
compact glacier
We can also discuss here spoiled teen doughter stealing mums money (Elune-Tyrande, if someone dont get it).
@smoky mural looks like a reading one, and can scan how Elune punished elves with bloody pools of fun
smoky mural
wut
compact glacier
I don't have a book here, but there was a scene about burning the tree
with praying and dying under statues)
compact glacier
anyway all "main characters" of the story so far are somehow sitck and have brain damage
Saurfang is bipolar, Baine is sputid, Tyrande acts as if she was in her teens
Nathanos is a yandere
I also don't get "years of hatered" turning to "she's our new admiral" thing about J. and people of Boralus forgiving deaths becoz mummy said J. is a good girl.
I hope those "leaks" are at least 30% true
story-wise
only old gods can make characters that "strange" acting
smoky mural
i really enjoyed her being sad for the 10 time this exp
sullen dawn
She's pretty optimistic now
compact glacier
let's help her kill more citizens once more 😄
and pretend it's all that "others" fault and not our and her's
smoky mural
she's already sad again
dull flame
jaina story is kicking ass in this expansion but slyvanas story feels abit lacking too many unknowns
any news on 8.2.5 ? Or next ptr update?
upper remnant
it will probably be this week or next week
sullen dawn
shall we go back to content speculation mode?
How 'big' do we think the patch will be? I expect a decent chunk of story content across the board (thunder bluff, sylvanas, jaina/thrall), some big moments for the worgen and goblins (lore wise) along with their models and heritage armour, maaaybe a 2 boss raid in thunder bluff but prolly just a scenario, maaaybe the mechagnome and vulpera allied races but prolly not yet, some new essences and 2-3 juicey cinematics
languid yoke
don't think there'll be a raid. Expecting some solo content akin to chromie scenario or mage tower and mechagon m+ plus Firelands timewalking
uncut vault
probably the same size as 8.1.5, if not a bit smaller
main content will be stuff for two races, new chapter of the war campaign, and maybe a new warfront depending on how said war campaign goes
smoky mural
maybe not even an allied race
uncut vault
almost certainly not an allied race
.5 patch is considered a part of the main patch, and theyve said no allied races in rise of azshara
languid yoke
3.3.5 is the only exception to that
smoky mural
3.1.5
smoky mural
ahh it was that bad
uncut vault
I meant in terms of BfA
night swift
3.1.5 was the kt and zandalari patch right?
plain vigil
Keep in mind we're going to get a big announcement if Gilblins are updated with goblins. If this does happen blizz will be shooting themselves in the foot with Vulpera being insanely popular
Expect more signs of Junker Gnomes being an allied race, possibly we'll be getting extra quests in vein of the Vol'jin and Saurfang quests where we work to unfreeze Mechatorque
Also keep in mind we got allied races a patch later than they came, so unless they plan on releasing Vulpera in 8.2.5 Junkers and gilblin will be socketed for 8.3.5 as that's the next patch over
I'm thinking at this rate they may save Junkers and Vulpera for prepurchase with tinker class, sort of how they set up DH
dense plover
0% allied races will arrive in a .5 patch without any hint in the patch beforehand
plain vigil
Agreed
Which is why I said what I said above
@sullen dawn there's my answer
Now that I think about it, I could see them getting cheeky about the warbringers raid boss theory and making Sylvanas a boss in a 2 or 3 boss mini raid focused on defending Thunder Bluff. That would free up Azshara or N'zoth as the final boss of the Xpac
Which would be xplain why they released Eternal Palace so early
night swift
If junkers are gonna be an allied race, they gotta have the nightborne treatment and have different models
Cause the current models have lots of problems with wearing armor that isn’t made just for them
terse patrol
We might get hints towards future allied races in 8.2.5
But no actual allied races
If we do, I’ll be surprised.
upper remnant
Such a big thing would have been announced with 8.2 as Porter said. New allied race will probably come in 8.3.5
dense plover
could also come with 8.3
upper remnant
Didn't they all come in .5 patches ? I am not sure
It could also be a coincidence I guess
I am more curious about the PTR right now
uncut vault
Dark iron and maghar came with 8.0
And 7.3.5 was basically a 7.4, 7.3.2 was 7.3’s mid patch
upper remnant
okay thanks !
terse patrol
I mean, who knows.
Vulpera and Junker Gnomes could come next patch. They were set up in prior patches, and there’s dialogue hinting Gallywix might be coming to Mechagon, and will no doubt cause a large diplomatic snafu with the Horde.
uncut vault
You still haven’t linked that dialogue
Because Gallywix has only been mentioned once
By overspark
plain vigil
@night swift I disagree. Blizz is moving towards 3D assets on every (armor) skin. Meaning legs and arms don't matter as much. Personally I think Mechagnomes are an extreme so they can get away with making Naga playable without giving them legs. Mechagnomes I could see getting more recolors for their limbs as well to go along with raid teirs or armor. Even the Mecha armor we see in game rely's heavily on 3D assets to improve the chest/back pieces of the Mechagnomes.
Now Junkers do look good in skirts as well so if you want to play a caster their arms will barely be an issue due to gloves and shoulders covering them and the Legs being covered completely
tranquil steeple
yes but so far every race works with 99% of armorpieces (some helms look weird on worgen/tauren) without 3d assets on them, and for it to be the same way for mecha/junkergnomes they'd have to effectively make them "normal" gnomes when wearing armor where they have been mechanized
plain vigil
You can see the improved 3d silouete here. She has 3d assets on her chest and back
Right I'm saying they wouldn't do that. They would keep Junkers as is. They are very masterfully designed. Tbh I see this as an extreme version of elf ears, or gilblin fins, or Tauren hair/manes. It's part of there identity and you can choose to play one if you like that identity. And as stated if you really don't like the legs which fit only agile characters, the legs can be covered with kilts/cloth robes and the arms are barely impacted because they're covered by shoulders and gloves.
uncut vault
except they arent covered by gloves
tranquil steeple
to me, too extreme to be used for a playable race. it's too complicated to make them stay unique as a race while already being so similar to normal gnomes, which is what they are.. just mechanized. excluding head armor, they, again, can't really wear armor without impeding with what makes them mechagnomes thematically, or having a ridiculous amount of extra work put into them.
plain vigil
@uncut vault you're right but that can be easily done as the hands fit normal player hands
Well another thing is Mechagnomes/Junkers are the most customizable NPC in the game. It has more customization options and combinations than all Allied races.
meager zodiac
is it enough to compensate for the hundred of costumization options per transmog that mechagnomes dont have by design?
and all the combinations you are missing
transmog already looks kinda bad on normal gnomes, they cant possibly think people in general will react well to have a race that is inheritly worse than other races by not having the full acess to costumization option of your characther's look by your transmog
mechagnomes would work much much more as a costumization option for normal gnomes, or for heroic class tinker
languid yoke
ptr servers still up rreeeEEEEE
upper remnant
I don't know what your timezone is but it's really early now at Blizzard
It could still happen today
languid yoke
I'm familiar with california timezone, but I'm still unpatient af. Even more than last week
smoky mural
it usaly happens at like 8 so maybe 5 more hours
dense plover
Usually around 1-2PST at the earliest
sullen dawn
Could be another 2-3 weeks before we hear anything so don't get too anxious
languid yoke
doesn't change the best estimate was this week all along
sullen dawn
Fine I just wouldn't get too excited, schedule's been weird this expansion and 8.2 still is taking a lot of people's attention (especially witih mythic race still going)
languid yoke
can't really blame me and everyone else waiting for worgen/goblin update since WoD wanting 8.2.5 to be out asap (meaning when the patch isn't missing everything)
plain vigil
Keep in mind there's a week gap where nothing is happening in wow. That is this week. The mythic race won't be much longer. There's 5 guilds on Azshara as we speak
World first today is possible
That still leaves Wednesday and Thursday for announcements
uncut vault
Remember: PTR builds aren’t always Tuesday’s
dull flame
6 guilds
plain vigil
@dull flame nice
dense plover
And also, ptr doesn’t care about world first race
languid yoke
^^^^^^^^^^^
dense plover
It’s very likely sometime this week
Assuming they follow the pattern of having the .5 patch after the last wing of lfr
Especially with the lack of consequence to the raid ending
upper remnant
Yeah I more betting on the end of this week or maybe next week but it could happen anytime starting from today
plain vigil
Well blizz does care aby world first race... Because it's free publicity for their game and thus marketing money saved.
It's better to stagger community engagement so releasing PTR on top wouldn't make much sense
uncut vault
They don’t care in regards to releasing the PTR for a select minority that actually tests it, who are probably invested in the game and it’s happenings anyways
dense plover
^
This isn’t a major ptr
They dgaf
They want this out ASAP so testing can begin. That way, again, assuming they are planning to release shortly after the last lfr wing, they can
languid yoke
that would be in 4 weeks already
smoky mural
it not comeing this week likely because of the overwatch thing
dense plover
XD
Why would that matter?
Those are different dev teams
That has never affected wow time tables
Not to mention the overlap between people who test wow and people who test overwatch probably isn’t very big
smoky mural
no but they wouldn't won't to steal the eyes from another project
dense plover
There’s nothing to steal
First ptr build usually is datamining only
It often isn’t playable at all
Usually due to extensive crashing
It might not release today
But this week is extremely likely
plain vigil
Agreed
dense plover
^
ionic terrace
It's a major ptr for worgen/goblin players 😛
ionic terrace
Someone linked this in another discord https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/223122687227199489/603301853090021406/Screenshot_2019-07-23_at_20.43.55.png
It's on live but 
Strange lol
dense plover
That seems not real
ionic terrace
It is, I checked myself
ionic terrace
Prob just an error but still strange
dense plover
Definitely an error
Probably meaningless
Definitely meaningless - it’s an invisible rabbit
They’ve goofed again
dense plover
Think that’s happened once before
uncut lintel
is ptr coming out today?
craggy nexus
You will know if you get a download. I haven't heard any announcements about it being released yet.
uncut lintel
oh ok thanks
uncut vault
"Some vendor test realm activity, might just be another 8.2.0 build but there's a chance of it being 8.2.5 considering vendor builds are encrypted and these builds always seems to beat PTR to the punch by a (few) day(s). 8.2 vendor build went up about a week before a public 8.2 PTR build did."
some people watching the vendor realm
inner copper
When will worgen remodels drop?
dense plover
With this update
Maybe not in the first build
Depends
Tell whoever those people are that 8.2 was the exception
inner copper
So how long till that?
dense plover
Usually vendor ptr goes up same day or the day before
The only reason it took a week for 8.2 was because it exploded
They tried like 6 deployments and then it didn’t work
We don’t know @inner copper best guess is this week
And then once it’s on ptr, 4-6 weeks
Maybe more
inner copper
Okies
dense plover
Also, from what I can see there have been no vendor updates porter
Not according to Marl’s boy
Bot
I think your source might be mistaking hotfixes for 8.2.5 prep
uncut vault
thats what they meant by "could just be another 8.2 build"
dense plover
I think it is
Considering they said they were deploying that major hotfix
With the whole essence threat gen thing
Nvm
I might be wrong
Bunch of cdn stuff at 320
Oops
Nvm
Wow classic build
ionic terrace
ionic terrace
I’m just excited to see people complain about the new models lol
uncut vault
even just HD of the current ones will be an improvement, for worgen at least
it'll be a nice bonus to get extra stuff
I hope for white fur option, but I dont expect or demand it
dense plover
I mean it’s a total redo
Like with the other models in warlords
It redoes the skeleton and the model
This will probably fix a bunch of the problems with running wild
Because that’s been an animation disaster for a while
uncut lintel
ooo i hope so
uncut vault
I still find it funny that humans have had a better running wild animation than worgen for the last five years
ionic terrace
zealous basalt
I see every ptr build in fridays
plain vigil
OH SHIT GUYS PTR isn't UPDATING
frigid crater
zealous basalt
Alexa...play despacito
ruby prawn
I hope they'll update the pandaren models as well
languid yoke
models are being updated to pandaren model standard tho 
ruby prawn
The pandaren model isn't hd tho
languid yoke
I wouldn't mind an update on them, even just a texture update, but at least they are on a more acceptable level compared to other models than doggos/gobbos are
royal orchid
i'm pretty sure the "pandaren standard" blizzard was talking about with the model updates only refers to the facial rigg, which got an big update. the model and the textures of the pandaren aren't that hd compared with most of the other races
upper remnant
All models being updated at a different times just create an oppurtunity to ask for newer models for the races with the oldest update, it's pretty unfortunate
royal orchid
well, the longer the wait, the more detailed the update. I would love a update for my pandaren, but maybe blizzard will develope a new hair technique from which a pandaren update could benefit
but I don't see that in at least the next two expansions
upper remnant
Yeah I think they might be updated as the same times that every other races if it happens one day
smoky mural
like imagine the forsaken whit bwom level of bone detail
upper remnant
When you see Jaina, Tyrande or Lorthemar next to a player model of the same race you see how much WoW models got better in a short time
dense plover
That’ll never happen tho
NPCs have more detail because they don’t wear armor
They don’t need to account for the thousands of variations in armor and animations
meager zodiac
dang i was excited for 2 seconds there
upper remnant
Yeah Yana we all were 😅
languid yoke
begins staring at ptr server status again
👀 a 8.2.5 vendor build for real this time
frigid crater
tropic trail
oh boyyy
sullen dawn
really? 😄
unreal minnow
Where is vendor?
tropic trail
For Patch 8.2, the encrypted vendor build hit on April 4th, with the content reveal on April 11th and first PTR build on April 17th. If we follow a similar timeframe for 8.2.5, we could see a patch preview next week, presumably after the Mythic Raid race is over, and datamining in early August. So next week is most likely to happen, I would say
languid yoke
8.2 was very late though
uncut vault
Blizzard doesn’t care about raid stuff for this, it will come out whenever it’s ready to be tested
8.2 came out a day after the raid for 8.1.5 got released
plain vigil
Y'all know this could have huge impact on BFA
All the elves who became night warriors went mad....
tropic trail
I told ya Elune is crazy, mon
plain vigil
What if it's because the night warrior ritual isn't of Elune's power.... Or even worse, Elune is working with N'zoth
jade basalt
I may be missing some context but how is this related to the Night Warrior? Aren't these naga? Who have abandoned Elune?
plain vigil
The night warrior ritual caused he moons to ellipse like what you see hers
Here*
Insinuating that it may not have been tyrande who eclipsed the moon
jade basalt
Yes, but is there any evidence that these Drowned Oracles are former-Night Warrior-night elves?
jade basalt
You just said "All the elves who became night warriors went mad.."
umbral lake
the drowned oracles are night elf ghosts.
plain vigil
Yes and died from the madness
umbral lake
not naga
meager zodiac
so elune is the cause
plain vigil
Oooh that makes this even spoopier
jade basalt
So.. that's why I'm asking: is there any evidence that these Drowned Oracles are former-Night Warrior-night elves?
meager zodiac
but not the fact they are ghosts
umbral lake
the quest text says they're angry and are doing some dangerous elune ritual
meager zodiac
in a underwater old god infested city
plain vigil
No I was just meerly mentioning it cause the old gods are tied to madness @jade basalt
meager zodiac
because they are probably ghosts, its probably related to the fact they are dead and in a corrupted zone
jade basalt
I don't get it.. You said "All the elves who became night warriors went mad..", how do we know that these elves became night warriors exactly?
jade basalt
I copy-pasted your own message
meager zodiac
yeah then what are you saying?
jade basalt
So you're not saying what you wrote..?
dense plover
And there we go
meager zodiac
because it sounds like a lot of balony and taking conclusions out of nowhere
plain vigil
But I wasn't saying that the ritualists were night warriors
dense plover
Build this week probably
meager zodiac
you literaly compared a normal night sky to the ecplise in darkshore
umbral lake
you're saying they're attempting the night warrior ritual?
plain vigil
Not necessarily
jade basalt
But you also shared the picture of a buff called "Drowned Oracles", so clearly you were talking about.. the Drowned Oracles?
plain vigil
Just that the ritual is very similar
meager zodiac
drowned as in dead
plain vigil
Yes
sullen dawn
I'm glad I was (probably) wrong about patch dates this time
meager zodiac
wich makes them ghosts
who are prone to madness
in all forms
because the trauma of death twists their perception of reality
like.... i dont see how does this relate to night warrior when its normal ghost stuff
jade basalt
Okay wait.. I think we can just agree that there's a bunch of guys, who in life were worshippers of Elune but abandoned her for the Arcane, and now they're just creepy ghosts, that are trying to do some kind of ritual
meager zodiac
if elune is working with nzoth, how can she remove the taint of the nightmare from the tear of elune?
wich is an instrument of the old gods, who the only one active at the moment is nzoth
umbral lake
tear of elune was an inside job! /s
meager zodiac
isnt it a bit counter productive
sullen dawn
think we'll get a blog post today mrpeach?
jade basalt
Unless we're missing some details, so far I don't see anything tying these ghosts to the Night Warrior
meager zodiac
i mean ghosts doing crazy stuff is literaly the most common thing in wow
plain vigil
I'm saying that if the night warriors go mad eventually, and the dead are doing a similar ritual to the night warrior ritual, causing the moon to eclipse, it could be an old god ritual, Hense the madness. I'm not making a claim, not saying it's true. Just saying that this hints something along those lines, and the night warrior ritual may not be what we expect. Is that clearer? @jade basalt
meager zodiac
the moon inst eclipsing tho
jade basalt
the night warriors go mad eventually
But where did you get that from?
meager zodiac
and they are mad because they are drowned
jade basalt
the dead are doing a similar ritual to the night warrior ritual
And that?
Where does it say that "the night warriors go mad eventually", or that these ghosts are "doing a ritual similar to the night warrior ritual" ?
meager zodiac
becaue they died in a traumatic experience in a land filled with old god power
and we know ghosts can recreate their living magic, but corrupted by death
umbral lake
well we don't really know that the night warriors go mad, just that none of the old night warriors from the early days of the nelf empire is around anymore. and no one survived the ritual since
meager zodiac
so lets rewind
jade basalt
Exactly
meager zodiac
one
its not the night warrior ritual, no indication as such
2, the moon insnt doing anything out of the ordinary
i can go at stormwind at night time and get the same moon
are you telling me anduina is becoming a night warrior or?
and third, the ghosts there are being used and corrupted by naga and old god creatures to feed the void
so corrupted versions of a ritual they might have done in life is completly normal considering their circumstances
jade basalt
@plain vigil Is there something more to this quest, dialog or anything? Because again, so far I don't see anything tying what's happening here to the night warrior
meager zodiac
and if we go by hints of any kind
then all titan forged that went trough the curse of flesh should be 2 steps into old god madness, blood elves will go light insane
zealous basalt
Everyone is going to be insane
meager zodiac
if we start making mountains out of any mole hole that apears in wow, the world would be even more erratic than it already is
zealous basalt
Patch 9.0 Insane to the Membrane
meager zodiac
there is a literaly giant squid wispering madnning stuff in the zone when you get there for the first time
zealous basalt
Achievement not included
meager zodiac
but somehow, elune is the cause!!
not the naga, old god minions, faceless beings and proximity to nzoth prison
nononono
its elune
oh and of course
the trauma of getting a whole ass SEA fall on top of you and your loved ones with no hope of escaping, and then being stuck as a spirit
uncut lintel
will it be in the wowhead news if 8.2.5 ptr comes?
umbral lake
yeah
uncut lintel
thx
plain vigil
@jade basalt nothing directly, just that the moon is being influenced and covered. Again not saying anything is directly connected, just that it's a possibility that they're connected
Damn may you're going way off base here
Noone's claiming any of that
storm marsh
Omg can they drop this build already
plain vigil
Give 👏 build👏
zealous basalt
Miracle builds
ionic terrace
Solesa is gone from the dropdown btw
dense plover
As I said, bug
uncut lintel
i can get in
oak wing
WoW EU is not working for me at all. Nor is the Bnet launcher currently.
upper remnant
maybe that was that
storm marsh
Pls god let them drop the build
storm marsh
😂
ionic terrace
@dense plover
languid yoke
I'm EU and I just got on ptr
ionic terrace
O
languid yoke
yeah :(
ionic terrace
upper remnant
it's nothing must be my account having a bug
ionic terrace
Nvm peach sry
storm marsh
Lmao we're so excited
uncut lintel
:3
ionic terrace
❤👌
dense plover
but keep me updated on server status
uncut vault
just nearly had a heart attack, saw the "PTR updating" thing pop up
but its just Overwatch
uncut lintel
lol rip
terse patrol
Seems like they’re waiting for mythic race to end. 😦
upper remnant
There was a small fix on live today so maybe they had other things to do
dense plover
i doubt it
theres still some time (not much) for today
but friday isnt out of the question
ionic terrace
dense plover
could also be early next week, hard to say, but the vendor build is out, so it shouldnt be too much longer
zealous basalt
or could be next month
tropic trail
August starts next week..
storm marsh
Does anyone remember on which day did 8.2 PTR come out?
terse patrol
AKA “when they feel like it”
upper remnant
They never did a separate livestream for 8.1.5 did they ?
languid yoke
nop
only 8.1 (plus 8.1.5)
but not for 8.1.5 alone. Don't think 8.2.5 would get one either
upper remnant
That's what I thought
terse patrol
I suspect we’ll be getting an 8.3 announcement soon though.
tropic trail
I dont think we will get an 8.3 announcement before end of august
a 8.3 announcement is more likely during Gamescom or after, since Blizzard is not there this time, I think they will do a live stream
languid yoke
plsplsplsp tody
dense plover
Vendor build usually goes out shortly beforehand and it’s already gone out
languid yoke
I've never heard of vendor builds before 8.2, were they always a thing?
dense plover
It only took over a week last time because of multiple failed deployments
They’ve always been a thing
They were only a big thing with 8.2 because of the gap between vendor and ptr
Usually the gap is small
It was not for 8.2. There were multiple failed build deployments with ptr down for over a week
languid yoke
🙏 today pls then
storm marsh
Worgen.
uncut lintel
yes..worgen
languid yoke
Worgen indeed 
tropic trail
I just want the Story. I hope we will get some answers for all the many questions we have since BfA. Im sick of it that after every patch we get more questions and no answers
storm marsh
Indeed
tranquil steeple
until the end of expac where we're left with even more questions about what's coming next expac
zealous basalt
Monk rework
languid yoke
worgen monks
zealous basalt
If they let them balance their anger and feralness more they can be
Although it might be op considering that extra crit
dense plover
Big thing today is to watch the servers to see if they go down. If they do, ping me plZ
languid yoke
worgen extra crit was never even close to being able to put them ahead of any race lul
and I'd argue monk traditions / meditation could be justified as something that helps their balance, on top of the druid magic that happened in starting area
dark furnace
We need goblin monks aswell
All they care about is the balance
Of their bank account
uncut lintel
hahaaha
zealous basalt
Hahahha
sullen dawn
Tbh i care about the balance of my bank account too
zealous basalt
That was a good one
uncut lintel
i was thinking about worgen monks not to long ago
would love to be one as mistweaver
dark furnace
I always wondered why they didnt let them be monks
I think I read somewhere that it had something to do with their animations or rigging
dark furnace
Do the animations work?
Otherwise I think Blizz definetely has to add them in 8.2.5 or the next expansion
languid yoke
yes they work
they look pretty good too - if you ignore occasional off legs
especially during flying serpent kick
dense plover
They aren’t gonna add new class combos
Those are only done at expac start
Usually in the prepatch
languid yoke
yeah my biggest hope is that they do give us tinkers, goblins get them, and to make worgen players less sad, give them monks
zealous basalt
Did they ever fix the weapon dps issue with ww?
tropic trail
I still think they'll go dark rangers
dense plover
I don’t
Dark ranger would be faction specific
Tinker is the most likely
They have a huge starting area with mechagon city
And a ton of assets
smoky mural
Darkranges would just be a forsaken custimztion option
tropic trail
There is night elf dark rangers now.
smoky mural
Give them a race option
zealous basalt
Mecha gnome and gnome and goblin tinker?
smoky mural
Yes that work for Sylvanas
zealous basalt
Wouldnt that mean destroying engineering?
languid yoke
it would be a more fleshed-out engineering, because honestly, engineering has been very boring
think GW2 mechanist
or FF14
zealous basalt
If they could do it hybrid
But like
Not the conventional healing but more like
What discipline was before
Absorption
languid yoke
kinda hope for a ranged dps / heal / tank mail class. Give us our mail tank spec blizzzz
dense plover
I could see tinker specs - tank with mech, dps with turrets, healing with like potion throwing machines and mini bots
zealous basalt
Injections with buffs
dense plover
Would never happen
languid yoke
like you could toss out minor buffs like 10% movement speed, 5% damage etc
dense plover
They have to be a fair choice from the other healers
If they had buffs they would be the only choice
zealous basalt
They wont heal much
languid yoke
not if they are otherwise worse than other healers
languid yoke
and tbf disc priests would like to have a word
in raiding
Do you have other options to prevent damage from healer side? Nope
dense plover
You can’t do hybrid classes if you need dungeon queues
You need all healers to be able to heal the tank equivalently
tropic trail
If they do tinkers. You think they'll make them tri spec?
dense plover
They can’t have dps buffs or they would be the best choice
Yes
Definitely
But I also think they’ll be a hero class
tropic trail
That would be the first since dks
languid yoke
Realyl? I don't see them being a hero class
zealous basalt
What about monks amd dhs
dense plover
Otherwise legion
tropic trail
Dhs have 2
languid yoke
monks aren't hero classes
dense plover
Monks aren’t a hero class
languid yoke
but I'd bet all my money that we'll get a ranged dps spec
zealous basalt
Or 119
languid yoke
because all 3 new classes were melees
zealous basalt
So you can evade Legion
tropic trail
I still think dark rangers have a larger appeal than tinker. My money is there. They'll work it out story wise.
languid yoke
Heck no
zealous basalt
Dark rangers are just elves with bows
dense plover
No they won’t
zealous basalt
For that you have blood elves
dense plover
By definition a dark ranger is undead
uncut lintel
WE dont need another elf
languid yoke
since class skins is something that has been talked about
zealous basalt
And yeah
languid yoke
but dark ranger as a class is a horrible idea
zealous basalt
Unded 2
dense plover
^
languid yoke
they are closer to being a race, as well
tropic trail
Well you have lightforged undead now. So why would we rule it out?
dense plover
You couldn’t even get multiple specs from dark ranger
languid yoke
We have lightforged undead?
dense plover
Lightforged undead have no ingame assets
tropic trail
Melee and ranged dps
languid yoke
We only have Calia for that
tropic trail
Still exists.
zealous basalt
And hinestly
languid yoke
and Calia is not even ingame
dense plover
Not an entire race
zealous basalt
Calia isnt really undead
She is just human with glowy eyes
Heck
If she gest in she will have a dk glow tbh
tropic trail
She is in fact. Undead.
languid yoke
doesn't matter, dark rangers aren't happening
dense plover
^
zealous basalt
A rare breed but the model would be just be human with dk glow in a different color
Or in this case the blood elf glow
tropic trail
Just saying space traveling goatmen retconning an entire race happened.
dense plover
There’s been no story to dark rangers outside of a little bit in darkshore, they have no assets, they are clearly tied to one faction and they would make more sense as a spec than as an entire class
zealous basalt
Derek's glow
dense plover
You can’t get multiple specs from dark ranger
tropic trail
Ranged and melee
dense plover
Or we might not get a new class
tropic trail
Might not
dense plover
Who knows
tropic trail
Gotta be a nightmare to balance.
uncut lintel
a new class would be nice sense i have every class lol
zealous basalt
Considering there was a quest where elves won
tropic trail
Might be some merit to the class skin rumors as well
dense plover
Could be a focus on new specs or fleshing out all specs and classes
zealous basalt
Flesh out monks
tropic trail
How are monks not fleshed out?
languid yoke
okay, so tinker healers, here's how's it gonna work out:
Their injections DO give buffs - at least some do.
So you get injections that provide a minor DR with medium cd - kinda like iron bark used to be.
You get injections that make a player pulsate so they are a walking aoe heal while also possibly even doing minor damage to enemies!
The damage buff injection? Make it kiss/curse. Doesn't heal, but puts a dot or heal absorb on a player. Potentially abusable by trolls, but oh well. Or it's a long cd thing. Yes, quite powerful, but the drawback will be that they might have poor aoe healing or don't deal much damage themselves (unlike discs)
and yeah how are monks not fleshed out
dense plover
I don’t think monks need it
I main brewmaster
Kit is solid and fun
Only thing I think should change is make some talents baseline and make some new ones
Specifically whirling winds or whatever and blackout combo
Also we 100% need a new talent tier
zealous basalt
Yeah
tropic trail
All the monk specs seem pretty solid.
zealous basalt
Also the last talent row is bad
tropic trail
That's minor compared to enhancement for instance.
zealous basalt
Like from all 3 options the only two that matter are Whirling dragon punch and Serenity
And for one instance right now
In the fourth row White Tiger Punch was a must
It was until C&S that you could talent Ascension and with Reverse Harm it makes the gameplay faster
dense plover
Whirling dragon punch is the best choice
And like blackout combo should be baseline
dense plover
I think they should go through the talents, look at the ones everyone loves and always get picked, make them baseline, and rework the talent trees from there
zealous basalt
Have to spam attacks that need to repeat sometimes or you end up withour resource
And considering monk mastery is not repeat your attacks...well
I'd say make the 20% more energy of Ascension baseline as you level up
And rework white tiger punch
Because as i said in the past, it is a big insult compared to Strike of the Wind Lord
languid yoke
okay instead of saying a class isn't fleshed out, let's say currently there's problems with talents
which there obviously are
zealous basalt
Oh yeah
I mean some classes---
HOLD ON
You know which spec needs a total flesh out?
Arms
terse patrol
Shadow Priest is still unfun imo.
dense plover
And maybe 1 new passive
dense plover
Shadow is getting reworked next expac
zealous basalt
AND DELETE ENCHANCED PYROBLAST
dense plover
They’ve said as much
terse patrol
Good
zealous basalt
Because fuck enhanced pyroblast
terse patrol
Leveling as a Shadow Priest is hell.
storm marsh
every night I pray that they change my shadowform visuals
terse patrol
Waiting for ramp up when doing quests
languid yoke
Arcane Mage is also ~.~
languid yoke
leveling arcane mage has been my new source of masochistic pain
zealous basalt
Arcanes in legion were so fun to play
storm marsh
arcane missilies change?
languid yoke
I'm sure it'll be better with max level but it used to be more fun
languid yoke
I trust you
sullen dawn
Realistically I think there's only scope for 4 more classes ever, 2 normal (tinker and ranger), and 2 hero (warden and dragonswarn)
languid yoke
only leveling him so he can get the new cloth recipes from nazjatar and maybe get rank 3 on the bag and then afk til next xpac
terse patrol
I wish frost wasnt the best spec every expac.
zealous basalt
Fuck enhanced pyroblast
languid yoke
make a new ranger class when the one we have is more than enough
I hope class skins become a thing
so people stop suggesting classes that are basically clones
sullen dawn
i used to think that but it think ranger has enough to be distinct
languid yoke
angrily stares at Diablo 3's Necromancer
Dark Ranger would just be old Survival hunter
terse patrol
I still want a void spec for Demon Hunter but people reeeee every time I suggest it.
sullen dawn
(dark ranger, spellbreaker, archer) as specs
storm marsh
a melee spec with void spells would be cool
sullen dawn
warden is now viable as hero class as undead have them now too (risen nelves)
zealous basalt
That is just a blood elf
languid yoke
Spellbreaker would be part of a Spellblade class
sullen dawn
tinker is pretty much 100%
terse patrol
Void Elves getting a void hunter spec would be sick.
sullen dawn
and the dragon thing, i dont love, but i can see how people would be all over it
zealous basalt
Inb4 someone sugest race based classes
terse patrol
Ricardo class when.
languid yoke
Dancer 🤤
zealous basalt
Jojo class when
sullen dawn
5 specs, one for each flight
terse patrol
Demon Hunter could use a third spec tho.
languid yoke
also not happening
sullen dawn
ehdruid has 4
languid yoke
blizz already stated they regretted having so many specs on the other classes
yes and druid is a big exception to the rule
sullen dawn
im not saying give anone else 5 specs
uncut lintel
sameee
zealous basalt
Gice someone 10 specs
sullen dawn
just the dragonsworn
uncut lintel
mage healer would be my main
terse patrol
Healing with time magic.
languid yoke
dragonsworn, if it were a class, would not have 5 specs
uncut lintel
Yesss
zealous basalt
Delete fire and make frostfire
sullen dawn
heal, dps, melee dps or tank
terse patrol
I remember back in Wrath. If you played any mage spec other than frost, you were crazy.
Since frost was so much stronger.
uncut lintel
lol rip
tranquil steeple
oh you mean revival :^)
zealous basalt
Does revival send all the damage to the boss?
They should increase the healing so it heals 10% of the max hp
tranquil steeple
nah it just dispells instead
zealous basalt
I will miss the heart of azeroth tho
sullen dawn
lol
zealous basalt
Monks should be able to use standos too
raven folio
Confused what does that mean
tropic trail
looks like a "hint" to Tuesday for me
zealous basalt
They could go down today and be up Tuesday
ionic terrace
dense plover
I think it means they are trying for today
But Tuesday if it doesn’t happen
Which is the standard expectation.
sour burrow
Give the fact there was a vendor build, I think we might instead have an announcement stream again before we actually see it go on servers.
dense plover
I doubt it
All ptr have vendor builds
We just haven’t cared
They only really mattered for 8.2 because of the time between vendor and ptr
sour burrow
Is that so? Huh. Fair enough.
dense plover
It was much longer than normal
Usually it’s 2-5 days max
For 8.2 it was over a week
sour burrow
Still, I wonder if they're going to make a new habit of doing a breakdown of patch content before unlocking PTR, regardless.
dense plover
Because of a succession of failed deployments
I doubt it
I expect streams before major patch ptrs
Not minor
languid yoke
yeah I also don't think there'll be a stream
sour burrow
If they don't, then okay, but they might have found that strategy to be positive. And yeah, but it depends on what they'll be adding that we don't know about, since we know pretty much NOTHING about 8.2.5 aside from Worgen/Goblins.
languid yoke
8.1.5 didn't have one either. Granted, it was tied to 8.1, but I think the 8.1.5 was more a continuation to 8.1 than 8.2.5 is gonna be
or that 8.2.5 presentation would've had too many spoilers before doing 8.2
dense plover
Most I expect here is a post on the forums
sour burrow
If we knew even a single bit of 8.2.5 I'd say yeah, no need for a stream. But the fact we don't even have teasers about it feels weird to me.
languid yoke
what list
uncut lintel
:333333
sour burrow
Exactly my point in theorizing a stream before the PTR launch.
terse patrol
I SUSPECT we’ll finally get the Scarlet Monastery scenario, but who knows.
languid yoke
but what if all the content that would be part of the stream would build up on a massive spoiler
casuals would be more likely to catch a stream like that than they would check for datamined ptr stuff
uncut vault
the thing beyond the worgen/goblin stuff basically confirmed is more war campaign
but thats kind of just a given at this point
tropic trail
Im curious if the loyalist questline (Saurfang and Sylvaans) will end with 8.2.5 or if it will continue into 8.3 and end there
uncut vault
Nathanos says theres a final test of loyalty we have
so my bet is that it's that in 8.2.5, and then in 8.3 its actually different depending on loyalist or rebel
meager zodiac
i realy hope its today
dense plover
That tweet implies they are trying for today or Tuesday
So it’s a coin flip
Today is equally likely
It really depends on if the build deploys successfully and how soon they can start
The sooner they can start, the more times they can try
meager zodiac
god wont help us here
we have to go frosty
break the ice
be toxic
do it baby one more time
its time to pray to britney
zealous basalt
no
zealous basalt
casts blizzard on you
and an ice orb
gets ice flurry proc'd and proceeds to tap it
languid yoke
lies
zealous basalt
launches icycle
languid yoke
counters with bicycle
zealous basalt
puts safe wheels
smoky mural
OHHHHHHHHH
languid yoke
I have several questions but I'll go with
IS PTR DOWN YET
zealous basalt
dab
storm marsh
Its down?
languid yoke
no
sullen dawn
His tweet sounds like 'its always darkest before the dawn'btw
So its always fridayest before the tuesday would hint at ptr on tuesday
However patch could be uploaded today right? And ptr doesnt live till tues? Not sure what previous patterns have been like between patch upload/datamining and ptr go live
Otherwise dont expect anything till tues
dense plover
That has happened in the past
Preliminary datamine only build
Followed by real build later once it’s actually functional
unborn glacier
I think it's hinting at Monday tbh
dense plover
Not gonna happen
There has never been a Monday first build
I don’t think there’s even been a Monday content build
The ONLY builds we have ever gotten on Mondays are bugfix builds
Usually crash fixes
Because they don’t work weekends
A Monday build wouldn’t make any more sense than Friday
Come in after not working for two days and then push the build?
night swift
Is the old one that bad?
zealous basalt
It lacks emotion
Like the rest of the first voices of every character
glad they moved their voice actors from chile to mex
dense plover
T-2 hours until we lose hope
uncut vault
is it the same VA as her spanish HotS VA?
zealous basalt
I think it is
tropic trail
guess we have to wait for tuesday
uncut lintel
; - ;
tropic trail
servers are still up so i guess next week
dense plover
probably
plain vigil
Updated Gnolls plz
languid yoke
agree
time to stare at the clock until it's Tuesday 18 UTC and then... for a few more hours
foggy abyss
I'm curious about those new Goblin models
ruby prawn
Could Shadow hunters be a class?
languid yoke
no
also I just realized something: Trial of Style is in a month
and we had no updates at all for this season
uncut lintel
im craving the new models so bad i cant stop thinking about them
sullen dawn
I think warden coild easily be its own class
Shadow hunter probably no
Class skin seems more likely for that one
Tinker and warden are most likely future "normal' classes
Hero classes, something dragony and i dunno what else. Maybe a battlemage/spellbreaker type class
uncut lintel
i thought wardens were like druids
sullen dawn
Nah they where mail and use thise blade circle things
uncut lintel
oh
tropic trail
If something like a "warden" class would come, it should combine a dark ranger spec too. Like the warden spec, a dark ranger spec and a 3rd one. But I think its unlikely that we would get any of this as a class. Because the wardems are a night elf specific class, and we have already an elven specific class
uncut lintel
worgen wardens ;))
tropic trail
I dont think we have any worgen wardens , or do we?
uncut lintel
IDK i thought it would be cool doe
sullen dawn
Warden lore could be expanded.
I imagine:
Nelf, worgen, void elf, lightforged undead (assuming theyre final allied race) wardens on alliance.
Blood elf, nightborne, undead, whatever final allied race is for horde
uncut lintel
? lightfordged undead?
smoky mural
CEASE lightfordged undead
sullen dawn
Yes its speculated heavily they are final alliance allied racr after mechagnones
smoky mural
CEASE
uncut lintel
it was an april fools joke
sullen dawn
I dont mean lightforged like in the aprils fools joke
uncut lintel
oh
sullen dawn
I mean light rezzed unded like Calia
smoky mural
STILL CEASE
sullen dawn
Sethrak could be final for horde (using worgen rig)
smoky mural
I RATHER A LITRAL TRASH CAN OVER LF UNDEAD
uncut lintel
vulpera was for horde doe
sullen dawn
Worgen and undead rigs are final two rigs not used fir allied races
I know we anticpate those next wirh mechas
smoky mural
also humans
sullen dawn
*but
smoky mural
orginal troll skell
sullen dawn
Humans got kul tirans. No a rig translation but still associated woth them
Same way trolls got zandalari
sharp gulch
Mechagnomes haven't been confirmed yet have they?
uncut lintel
hope not
dense plover
I super doubt lightforged undead happen
They aren’t gonna add undead to the alliance firstly
Secondly there is no evidence in the assets
Calia isn’t even in game
They aren’t gonna drop an allied race with 0 lore context for people who haven’t read the books
Not to mention they aren’t even a race
There is only Calia
subtle jasper
:cough: void elves :cough: only alleria :cough:
dense plover
Ah but there was story development of her in game
Calia stuff isn’t even in game
And void elves were almost definitely a response to alliance high elf requests and to create some kind of parallel for the nigjtborne
It’s why they feel shoehorned
Or bare minimum they were planned for BfA and they needed some way to get them in legion
Like story wise
subtle jasper
I don't like void elves. Although Calia has been mentioned in-game when Derek met Jaina after the cinematic
dense plover
Yeah a sentence
But if you haven’t read the books, there’s nothing
You don’t know about the meeting at stromgarde, you don’t know about her coming back
There isn’t enough there
And again, there are no assets
Sethrakk are more likely and they’re extremely unlikely
subtle jasper
Yeah, this exp the more possibles are the mechagnomes / kelfins / vulpera
dense plover
Kelfin aren’t gonna happen either
They use the old goblin model, there aren’t many of them, and they aren’t gonna do 2 goblin allied races
uncut lintel
i thought that uhm fish people the one from pandaria was becoming alllied race?
dense plover
Nope
uncut lintel
oh
dense plover
They can’t use most armor
uncut lintel
oohh
dense plover
They were originally planned back in MoP along with the Hozen
But they decided pandaren were a better choice
Especially since it let them develop their animations and such
dense plover
For a race to be a plausible allied race it has to be able to wear armor, perform most if not all animations, probably reuse a current race skeleton or part of one, and be an active character in the story
sullen dawn
sullen dawn
i just made that,its an undead
sullen dawn
also i dont mean lightforged
the light rezzed undead arent lightforged
the way the draenei are
dense plover
Most likely next pairing is Vulpera/Mechagnome
sullen dawn
they're 'rezzed' by the light
dense plover
There are no light undead except Calia
sullen dawn
itll be vulpera/mechs
dense plover
She is the only one
sullen dawn
then redeemed/something for horde
dense plover
Alleria had an entire patch
An entire major patch
Unless Calia has a dedicated story in 8.3, there is no chance
sullen dawn
maybe she will
sullen dawn
ok i dont
plain vigil
@dense plover Actually horde were going to get Hozen, alliance were going to get Pandaren. It's why Jinyu are bound to such a small space in the map while Hozen are everywhere
dense plover
Uh there’s like jinyu everywhere
Krasarang
The mountain zone
Valley
Jade forest
There’s jinyu in just as many places
But I could definitely be wrong
plain vigil
Still, th3 wow devs said originally Pandaren were going to be alliance but then they decided against it cause they wanted everyone to be able to play them since they're such a lore throwback
dense plover
Either way, they did change their mind
@sullen dawn what do you expect 8.3 to be then?
There needs to be a new zone
plain vigil
So really Jinyu are even less likely because they were made up to give the alliance something similar to Hozen