Elves are the cross faction race
#beta-ptr-spoilers
wise crest
terse patrol
Grizzek and Renzik gang
wise crest
Every other race is like... The face of their factions identity
terse patrol
This is why I want to remove factions
zealous basalt
you want everything dont you
terse patrol
yes
ionic terrace
so when's this announcement
zealous basalt
2morrow
ionic terrace
o i thought it was today
zealous basalt
😛
tropic trail
what announcement ?
I asked MrGM he didnt answer me, then I found this:
maybe this "announcement" someone said yesterday is to MrGM related and not to wow/blizzard?
kill mr gm if its related to him
smoky mural
it's for redbull
mystic heart
:D
lyric coyote
MrGM is clickbait garbage, wouldn't take it too seriously
final vault
that was yesterday 
didnt happen today
limber mural
top 10 anime plot twists
smoky mural
monka
plain vigil
Lmao there's still a goblin barber in Ironforge
A vast majority of goblin cartels are Neutral
I don't think neutral goblin will Matter much when they destroy factions and revamp the world tho
Lmao wtf MrGM hang out in Pyro's disc more my guy
final vault
will do
plain vigil
🤙
wise crest
Yeah and there's gnomes working for Gallywix and forsaken who side with the Alliance and got murdered, it doesn't really change much.
Blizz have a clear idea of faction identity they like maintaining.
terse patrol
Ye but it’s artificial and for gameplay only.
Hence why I want to get rid of factions.
limber mural
if they get rid of factions that's basically the core element of warcraft thrown out
clues in the name. warcraft.
while I think it'd be interesting I think the chances of it happening are slim to nil
wise crest
I don't think they'll get rid of the core identity of their game.
tropic trail
They wont
wise crest
Also, faction identity isn't artificial, Blizzard wouldn't spend so long this expansion building on the idea of faction identity if they also didn't think it's valuable
zealous basalt
they woulnd't
tropic trail
people will get disappointed if they really think Alliance and Horde wont be a thing next xpac
limber mural
Which is a damned if you don't damned if you don't scenario cause then they have to invent more tenuous story to make it so we don't kiss and make up
and yes, I know what I said
wise crest
There's plenty of reasoning for war to continue.
And blizzard still haven't explored the potential of the Alliance being the aggressor so there's that interesting avenue to work towards.
limber mural
If factions were going to disband after any expansion it'd have been Legion
But that didn't happen
dense plover
So Lorthemar and jaina might be mind controlled - what if they are working with Nzoth now so they defend TB from sylvanas who is attacking TB as a trick in order to actually attack SW because that’s what the dagger is helping her do. Meanwhile Nzoth attacks somewhere else since the alliance and horde are away from say, silithus, reawakening Cthun or stealing the power from the sword
So we go to defend TB thinking sylvanas is bad for attacking it
But really the horde attacks SW while Nzoth does something bad, and further splits the two factions
limber mural
Idk, sounds good but it'd be another case of dead lady bad
dense plover
This makes Sylvanas not working for Nzoth intentionally
limber mural
and dead lady irrefutable tactical genius
limber mural
Actually what am I saying of course that means blizz will do it
Yeah but an infallible character gets boring
dense plover
It would be a huge redemption for the story that would sort of prove they knew what they were doing
It isn’t perfect
But it’s better than Sylvanas working for Nzoth
And TB burning
limber mural
would also potentially mean 2 Warfronts in a content drop
zealous basalt
can you explain it again slowly?
dense plover
But yeah this might be a possibility assuming Lorthemar and Jaina are mind controlled
zealous basalt
But why would Nzoth want to stop Nzoth?
oh wait
but why would Nzoth want to help C'thun
dense plover
All eyes will open
zealous basalt
but do you think c'thun would help?
tropic trail
but if Jaina and Lor are mind controlled, shouldnt we see the gift of Nzoth on their head?
dense plover
I think Cthun wants to be free and is weak from the sword
No?
They aren’t his Champions
zealous basalt
Does something happen if we have the gift?
tropic trail
are the no name NPCs who also have the Gift in Zandalar and KT Nzoth champions?
dense plover
We don’t see the crown on their heads
tropic trail
but the eye
dense plover
We hear their whispers
Yeah that doesn’t mean that’s the case for the rest
It doesn’t have to be
It’s implied from dialogue that they may be mind controlled
That’s the assumption I am making for the story moving forward because it can explain a lot
Like why they didn’t stop the device
Or even try
dense plover
After Zaqul from Azshara according to porter
“And says that the “human novice and the pale elf with the sword were not so fortunate””
tropic trail
asking why Lor and Jaina did nothing in the cinematic is like asking why Anduin and his group didnt attacked instant Sylvanas and not letting her play with them
limber mural
But like. Why would Azshara just let that slip
After we murder hoboed our way through literally her entire army
Are big bads in wow never going to learn from the past to actually have a contingency plan for if they lose
zealous basalt
what if this was her contingency plan
tropic trail
but I would like it if Jaina and Lor are mind controlled. I just dont think its the case
limber mural
Anyway like deadass
She told everyone including us
We just lock up Jaina and Lor'themar until further notice
Sorted
'lol I just planted some sleepers and this is who they are' is not the best way to plant sleepers
zealous basalt
it worked in super paper mario
limber mural
i mean i'm saying all this but i kinda should set a lower standard for story coherency in bfa
zealous basalt
inb4 mindcontrolled jaina x kael'thas
dense plover
I mean - why would we believe Nzoth
He tells lies
So sometimes it’s true
The diamond king has been made a pawn
limber mural
Also why do I get the feeling they have a preset in the cinematics for 'shocked and dismayed jaina'
night swift
Lol she’s made that face a lot this xpac
smoky mural
there are 2 faces of jaina this exp sad or 😐
wise crest
👀
dense plover
I wouldn’t take that as anything
Just filler dialogue
Super unlikely they will join the horde
upper remnant
they could join the horde like other unplayable races did before too (Taunka, Hozen)
tranquil steeple
doesn't mean they will
lament fjord
Well, they are much more explicit than the Ankoan are. The fishy bois just want to fight Azshara and don't even tell us much about their past.
uncut vault
only line they have is "I've seen visions about you guys being honorable"
wise crest
Yeah. That's much less explicit.
The dialogue for gilblin absolutely points to them being candidate for horde AR.
smoky mural
vulpera are for horde since you commit genocide on them
limber mural
I did see a post on Reddit theorising what an upset it would be if mechagnomes went to the Horde
Like, who's the biggest asshole in Rustbolt? Overspark
Who's agreed by all to be surprisingly not an asshole? Gazlowe
languid yoke
even in the lead-up quests Gazlowe is a nicer guy (even though he does kill a few alliance and captures a gnome), while Overspark immediately lost on that front with his assistant who writes everything down in his name so the future will know of his greatness. Not a way to get liked by... anyone
limber mural
mhm
if we're judging probability on who made the best impression
it is not the Alliance
Unless they just do a highmountain and go to the Alliance on principle
Speaking of highmountain
Is highmountain going to have anything at all to do with the horde this expansion or are they just chillin
wise crest
Except during quests were informed that Gallywix will be coming to Mechagon to see what Gazlowe has done.
So he's no doubt bound to fuck things up. And Gazlowe is being underhanded.
Grizzek says that Gazlowe has agreed to hide his presence on the island when Gallywix comes to inspect what Gazlowe has done.
Also. Overspark does say that he's there to defend Erazmin from being tricked.
terse patrol
It makes me wonder.
If the Horde are getting the two obvious Allied Races, whats the Alliance getting?
I’m ok with the Horde getting both. But it does make me worry the Alliance might get two ass-pull races.
zealous basalt
...honestly what if Gazlowe starts saying unsensitive shit about mechagnomes
strange falcon
@terse patrol inb4 Blizzard has planned a pro gamer move and is working on the 2 alliance races in the dev build so not even the ptr dataminers know about it
#tinfoil
👀
terse patrol
Gimme dragonmen
languid yoke
drakonids yes pls
strange falcon
With dragon isles possibly speculated to be coming i could see them potentially getting a rework,but unlikely atm
uncut vault
When does gazlowe say that Gallywix is coming? Gazlowe doesn’t work for Gallywix
wise crest
Grizzek tells you that Gazlowe informed him that Gallywix will be coming to check Gazlowes work in Mechagon
And that he promised Grizzek he'd not say anything about him being in Mechagon.
obtuse vine
||https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2495692-Another-quot-Blizzard-art-Dev-AMA-quot-at-4chan-kek?p=51369960#post51369960|| Here is a leak from the 5th, it sounds too good to be true and I think it’s kind of possible
dark furnace
A lot of effort went into it if it is fake
dense plover
thats true of lots of fakes
what makes me think its fake is the "bolvar rezzed voljin and lied"
thats lame and makes bolvar the bad guy
which blizz clearly doesnt want to do
placid anvil
Though I wouldn't be surprised if bolvar does make some meaningful return eventually
After all the Taelia stuff, it seems obvious to me
dark furnace
One can still dream of it being real
meager zodiac
ferals new home of the night elves
yeah no
+Vulpera and Nightborne will be the only races not to become customization options for existing races." but void elves become for blood elves?
terse patrol
I really doubt Bolvar can do holy magic. We know Voljin has been “touched by Valor.”
smoky mural
And he said he played no part in it
foggy abyss
Welp those leaks seems like pure bullshit to me
smoky mural
It is
languid yoke
every leak that claims AR become customization option is bs because void elves would suddenly become horde or what
(other than being a shitty idea)
pulsar iris
no because they actually say there will be no more factions, and that's why void elf, high elf, and blood elf would be all customization options for elves
but hey its a fake leak anyways
smoky mural
they are already different races they aren't going to merge them
terse patrol
Allied races will never become customizations because it would remove all incentives for Blizzard to make them.
They exist to make Blizzard money.
smoky mural
and if they add them as customization after only a year they will be shooting them selfs in the foot
dull flame
allied races should stay allied races there is no need to add them as customisations
wise crest
Not sure how heritage armor would work
dull flame
they all have their own story
pulsar iris
well they would still need to be unlocked like night warrior customization i believe
honestly i dont know how i feel about allied races and customizations
dense plover
oh damn - i was watching nobbel's mechagon dungeon story overview, and he made a good point - they could use the dungeon for the race and/or class
its a huge area that isnt in the overworld
and its HUGE
ionic terrace
so what happened to that announcement
unborn glacier
Like I said, it was likely just streamer speculation
I honestly thought there was a 5% chance there was gonna be some big annoucement
terse patrol
Ah cool
round lake
they should be more clear when they say "announcement"
tulip sun
Caster?
dark furnace
Probably commentator on esport events
zealous basalt
Does someone know if you can get rank 1 and 2 from the pvp chest in a single wek?
storm marsh
When do yall think we will get info or the actual 8.2.5 PTR build? I can't wait for my worgen to be HD
long blade
probably mid august
tropic trail
I say end of this month or at the beginning of August
mystic heart
after lfr azshara 😄
uncut vault
PTR will definitely be out before then
longest PTR gap ever has been five weeks since patch launch, so we're looking at the weeks of the 23rd or 30th of this month
mystic heart
oh kk 😄
wise crest
heritage armor intensifies
uncut vault
They’re not doing the full mechanization helms as heritage armor lol
smoky mural
ha this blizz they wont
wise crest
mark my worms thats absolutely pieces of the heritage armor
they even designed it to look slightly different on female mechas
uncut vault
The helms are the entire thing that mechagnomes are fighting against
The other stuff might become armor
But the head will not
wise crest
erazmin literally says its your choice if you wanna upgrade or not, hes against forced upgrading to mindless drone
mechagnomes already replace jaws, eyes, ears, heck faces and sometimes entire scalps
having an entirely metallic head does not mean they suddenly lose their brain
wise crest
watch this space
im not fussed either way i like mechagnomes as they are
but they got the assets ready for all three mech tints
so i see no reason theyd waste em
night swift
Other heritage sets also had tints
wise crest
they even made it fit on both male and female body types
night swift
And were never implemented
wise crest
didnt the maghar tints get added
night swift
Except for the maghar orc set
wise crest
yeah
because other races dont really
have...
like??? racial reasons for tints
the nightborne are all one people
the lightforged are all one people
the maghar are many clans
night swift
Well I mean
The actual reason they made other tints and didnt add them was cause the editor got carried away
uncut vault
Wait, you actually thing that stuff right there is gonna be the heritage? No changes
Lmao
Even if they are inspired by that, they make a full separate set for each race
wise crest
i think parts of it are heritage
uncut vault
They’re not using MoP chestpieces for heritage
wise crest
i... didnt say they were
"mark my worms thats absolutely pieces of the heritage armor
"
uncut vault
You’re saying they have the tints already done
wise crest
pieces
uncut vault
They’re not using that stuff
If they use stuff inspired by that, it will 100% not be those actual pieces
wise crest
I've really only been responding to condescending attitudes, I already said "I'm not fussed either way, I like the mechagnomes as they are."
zealous basalt
That if mechagnomes actually go allied race just like they are now
I am sure they won't be AR in their current state
wise crest
they got completely unique dance animations, salute animations etc
zealous basalt
Yes, I know that
wise crest
what part of them makes you think they cant be an AR
zealous basalt
but if they want to become AR they need to be compatible with most armors
night swift
^
wise crest
no? they dont?
zealous basalt
They do
wise crest
why
zealous basalt
That's the same reason Ankoan won't be
night swift
Or Naga
zealous basalt
And it's the same argument with nagas
Blizz won't release a race that can't show armor
wise crest
They can wear chest, belt, shoulders, helmet and of those the only ones which tend to be 3d the most are helm and shoulders
zealous basalt
If they want to get them as AR they need to be tweaked
wise crest
i dont see the logic
zealous basalt
They can't wear boots, belts, gloves, wrist pieces
night swift
And most chests aren’t fully on them cause of the arms
zealous basalt
And that's why they can't come out yet
night swift
Yeah, thats half the armor
wise crest
can i @ you when they get released as is
zealous basalt
what
wise crest
like, do i have the permission to @ you with an "i told you so" if they come out as is
zealous basalt
And if they don't?
uncut vault
At this point, Makore, just ignore them
wise crest
likewise if they tweak them to show the pieces of armor you mentioned you can @ me to say so
uncut vault
They seem to only be in here to be annoying about mechagnomes
night swift
Its like Daddy Bloom all over again
wise crest
if thats your takeaway then by all means
wise crest
look up my chat history i guess???
anyway
mechagnomes are coming as is
thats my take, if im wrong then you can all @ me about how wrong i was
zealous basalt
Do you know why I am sure about it?
Because there was one Allied Race that had to be 'tweaked' instead of release as they appeared in game
night swift
Nightborne
zealous basalt
Yep
wise crest
its a waiting game then
night swift
The ones we play as are nothing like the npcs
zealous basalt
They are uglier
night swift
Way uglier
wise crest
as i said feel free to @ me with how wrong i am when they come
night swift
Yeah I ain’t doing that
zealous basalt
That's so childlike to do
And honestly
Releasing them just like they are now its
just trash
Like the only thing you will be able to mog what
shoulders and shirt?
cloak and belt?
night swift
People would call it lazy cause they’d just rip the npc model and make it a playable race
zealous basalt
That's how you literally bury the game
smoky mural
you cant go the forsaken way either they are to small
zealous basalt
having to rip parts of their armor?
smoky mural
yes
zealous basalt
yeah, it wont work
And god bless their souls if they dare to push vulpera as the duality
smoky mural
They will
night swift
Sethrak need work
uncut lintel
dont judge me i just love foxes and i think vulpera are so fricken cute
night swift
They’re gonna make vulpera
zealous basalt
Sethrak is the same problem with Mechagnomes
night swift
They’re more likely than machagnomes at the moment
zealous basalt
Both races need tweaks
smoky mural
and they would go horde
zealous basalt
but honestly?
Sethrak are the ones that need it less
They, what? Only need the helm tweaked?
night swift
Sethrak is just helms
uncut lintel
if they made sethrak allied race,i would just...live the life
smoky mural
yeah just add a heml and a female done
night swift
Oh yeah right
zealous basalt
Oh and females
night swift
Theres no females
zealous basalt
How to make a female correctly
night swift
Oh shit its like the ogres for them lol
zealous basalt
Thankfully Des isn't here or there would be like
uncut lintel
lol
zealous basalt
Snitties
uncut lintel
just make them skinnier i guess and have some chest
night swift
LMAO
uncut lintel
LOL
smoky mural
or wait there god has a diffrent model for female doe
zealous basalt
Snitties?
uncut lintel
i want snitties
smoky mural
wait they do have a female model for the sneks in https://www.wowhead.com/npc=133392/avatar-of-sethraliss#modelviewer:10+0
zealous basalt
masaka
smoky mural
maybe they will be the first without tits
uncut lintel
awwww
zealous basalt
its better like that
night swift
Not everything needs to have sex appeal
night swift
Oh no
uncut lintel
o . o
inner copper
tbh only mammals have breasts so it makes sense if the Seth'rak females don't have any
and the excuse for naga is that they used to be elves so they kept that trait
compact glacier
How's male harpy look btw?
uncut vault
male harpies dont exist because harpies are a female only species who rape men of other species in order to reproduce
this was touched upon recently with Aethas in the mage order hall
wise crest
frigid crater
zealous basalt
Can we ger an F
strange falcon
I mean,sethrak NPCS
DO have distinctly male and female voices
So its not that females arent in the game,they just are reptiles,thus no snitties like mammals
plain vigil
@wise crest don't wanna kill your hype vibe but there's a toy for both Kelfins and the BFA Jinyu added in BFA... Which means towards neither becoming an AR anytime soon. Maybe in a future X-Pac tho!
tulip sun
I dont think that totally writes them off
strange falcon
No race/npc type that has a toy is an allied race,tho i could be wrong
storm marsh
Mechagnomes would be the biggest dissapointment
wise crest
p sure maghar have a toy dont they
smoky mural
no
plain vigil
Mag'har have a toy from WOD but it doesn't count because that was before AR were even pursued
plain vigil
@storm marsh enjoy your self inflicted disappointment 😄
storm marsh
😉😂
plain vigil
😝
wise crest
The thing is they plan expansions rather far ahead so I have no qualms believing they knew about those more blatant AR choices.
Belves even have a toy and they're playable.
Toys don't really preclude playability
Toys are just cosmetic fun.
@plain vigil also ironically you @d me the exact moment vim gave me the toy
plain vigil
Lol
wise crest
its nice that it gives you both toys
and apparently both mounts for neri
but i dont know if it gives you both pets from poen
something else i wonder is like... are the surnames the gilblin have related to like specific clan names?
because the overall clan seems to be called kelfin
but poen is gillbrack
adn theres another gilblin with the surname gillbrack
plain vigil
But yeah they do plan ahead, but remember Wod they stoped and reset. They changed their plans. It's entirely possible, and most likely, that they didn't plan for Mag'har when that toy was made
wise crest
i think given the fact they had the payoff of "if you need us, we'll be there" they knew by then at the very least
theyve said they plan 2-3 years ahead
plain vigil
Maybe. But the toy was from questing content
wise crest
anyway we'll just have to wait and see
I just think they're dropping rather overt hints at this point
plain vigil
I just think it's something that won't be coming anytime soon
tulip sun
I think they're likely
plain vigil
I theorize if they do a world revamp and make it so you can level anywhere scaled, eventually when they redo zones such as Mop or Cata, we'll get AR with that. So Gilblin would come with cata. Jinyu with Pandaria. Etc etc
tulip sun
We have more in depth gilblin in bfa though
wise crest
Yeah. I think they're coming personally.
The hints are far too many
This is why they've held off on announcing ARs
plain vigil
Honestly I think Vulpera are coming first. But I'm excited for you man, reminds me of when the first junker gnome was datamined
terse patrol
hrrgh ptr when
frigid crater
storm marsh
Honestly, the last time I was excited for new AR was at 7.3.5. Now I'm only excited for my new worgen models. I want something new & unpredictable
terse patrol
Gimme dragonmen
uncut vault
Problem is
unpredictable means more void elf messes
what I wish blizz would do was announce a new thing as an allied race at blizzcon
and then in the patches between blizzcon and 9.0, introduce us to that race
languid yoke
Drakonids plz
storm marsh
I agree to that
I guess they will announce 8.3 on live stream (that will include a new pair of AR) and new exp and blizzcon
uncut vault
like, imagine if void elves were an 8.0, or even 8.1 race
we still do the same exact scenario with alleria and umbric in 7.3.5
but instead of just suddenly having infinite numbers, they got a story of finding a way to replicate the ethereal thing, and meeting other high/blood elves who are interested
languid yoke
Isn't the common guess that 8.3 will be announced via livestream like 8.2?
strange falcon
i joined when the conversation was over so idk
lone marten
Blizzcon is in 4 months
subtle jasper
8.3 will probably be announced before BlizzCon, instead in BlizzCon they'll show us 9.0 I guess. 8.2.5 will probably be out before November/December and then 8.3 will come out if not by the end of the year, then at the beginning of 2020. And then a hiatus of 6 - 8 months until 9.0 comes out (in between we'll have 8.3.5). Basically similar to BfA
round lake
^ lol really?
languid yoke
8.2.5 will be out before blizzcon even lul. Heck, 8.3 is probably even gonna be on ptr by then
strange falcon
8.2.5 maybe mid september,8.3 release a few weeks after bcon
would be my guess
assuming bcon is in novemeber and i didnt mix up my months
round lake
Yes blizzcon is November
uncut vault
Since the BfA schedule was a bit wonky st the start, the best gauge for 8.2.5 release is the 8.1.5 release. It came out seven weeks after battle for Dazar’alor, so if 8.2.5 follows roughly the same timeframe, it should be out on August 27th or September 3rd
And following that, the gap between 8.2.5 and 8.3 will almost certainly be shorter than the one between 8.1.5 and 8.2, since 8.2.5 likely won’t have a small raid, and won’t have any allied races
dark furnace
Would they really make a new patch that close to Classic?
strange falcon
Didnt the last allied races release in 8.1.5?
storm marsh
8.2.5 will probably hit servers in september, 8.3 should be announced in september, then it should come out by the end of the year
9.0 must be announced at blizzcon
round lake
Classic is its own thing
lone marten
Classic is pretty much ready for launch
dense plover
Remember tho, 8.1.5 came out like, 2 weeks after the last lfr wing
That’s the pattern to watch
terse patrol
Ye. So I suspect the PTR will be out this week. But I could be wrong. @dense plover
storm marsh
Doubt it
languid yoke
I need ptr
uncut vault
thats basically what I counted it by, weeks after the raid launch
since weeks after the patch proper launch woudnt work
cause 8.1 to BfD gap was a full month, 8.1, to EP was just two weeks
and I think blizzard would release a .5 patch close to classic launch
because the subscription is the same
and putting out a minor content patch to get people interested is a good strategy
storm marsh
Wait, 8.1.5 went live 2 weeks after last LFR wing?
sullen dawn
tropic trail
8.1.5 PTR went live 2 weeks after last lfr wing
uncut vault
8.1.5 was march
Crucible was april
8.1.5 PTR went live two weeks before BfD normal
dense plover
^
uncut vault
the final wing of BfD came out february 26th, and 8.1.5 came out two weeks later, on March 12th
storm marsh
So I guess 8.2.5 PTR next week, fingers crossed
tropic trail
ah ok
zealous basalt
Inb4 worgen and goblin models for 9.0
smoky mural
if they do that there going get killed online
languid yoke
if they do that they'll be getting my uncle sent to their HQ and he can lawyer talk with Ion until doomsday
:(
languid yoke
yeah you can, went directly to rank 2 focusing iris
rank 4 is the only exception iirc
dense plover
Related to the updated models, they didn’t say 8.2.5
They said after 8.2
Specifically it was noted as 8.2+
So 8.2.5, 8.3 and 8.3.5 are all valid model patch candidates
Once the first ptr drops we will have a better idea on whether they will be in the patch or not
languid yoke
I still refuse to have them after 8.2.5
that would just be a big pile of bullshit
especially after they hyped us up even more announcing they would get heritage armor (next)
dense plover
They never said 8.2.5
They said after 8.2
I imagine 8.2.5 is the goal, but I don’t think they want to fuck this up
They need to do this right which could take more time
Not to mention, we shouldn’t expect new heritage armor until 8.3
royal orchid
They clearly said the new models will come in 8.2.5, not after 8.2 or 8.2. You can look it up at the What's Next Panel from Blizzcon 2018
dense plover
Pretty sure the panel header was 8.2+
royal orchid
And I know you're wrong because i looked it up 😛
royal orchid
And to quote for what they said for the heritage armor: "[...] They’ll have new heritage armor with that as well."
dense plover
All I could find was “after Rise of Azshara”
Or “in a future patch”
I don’t see anything saying the models are tied to 8.2.5
I can’t watch the video
dense plover
Ok that’s fair
I wasn’t sure
Couldn’t find that panel pic
That’s good enough for me
Hope there are new WQs and mechagon dailies in 8.2.5 too
And there will probably be raid follow up
languid yoke
it's difficult
the slide says 8.2.5
but the guy says after 8.2
so it implies both things at once
light stirrup
but 8.2.5 is after 8.2...
zealous basalt
Top 10 iq plays
foggy abyss
8.2.5 is after 8.2 lmao
zealous basalt
How to make your subs to think they be stupid with Brozzard
languid yoke
8.2.5 is after 8.2, but so are 8.3 and 9.0
agile token
Y'all going back to blizzcon news lol
uncut lintel
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languid yoke
that article also only says 8.2.5 or 8.3
agile token
“Shortly after Rise of Azshara, you’ll see that,” Morgan explained. “These are the two races that haven’t been updated. They’ll have new heritage armor with that as well.”
uncut vault
he says "8.2.5 and beyond" and the only thing he shows is the goblin and worgen models
theyre not gonna call the slide "8.2.5 updates" and then not have the one thing shown not come in 8.2.5
languid yoke
I mean yeah, I also am 100% sure it's 8.2.5 content because otherwise we know literally nothing what's to come
agile token
So basically "models are coming in the patch shortly after 8.2"
languid yoke
giev me 8.2.5 ptr noooooow
uncut lintel
Yesss
tropic trail
i wish it was a sign for ptr lol
upper remnant
Do they usually announce/ post something before PTR going up ?
uncut vault
not for .5 patches
they'll probably announce the general content, but not too related to the ptr release
tropic trail
If I remember correctly, 8.1.5 had a live stream, right?
before it was released on ptr
tropic trail
I dont remember it anymore
dense plover
Dunno
But it’s unlikely
First ptr will probably drop out of nowhere
Watch for the servers going down
plain vigil
I'm speculating this upcoming Wednesday or Thursday
But that's just a theory
A Game theory
muted crown
Thanks for..playing?
tropic trail
so what can we expect from 8.2.5 except just Lore progress? Will this be a build up for a Sylvanas raid , which would be Garrosh/SoG 2.0 but with a different spot. Or do we gonna build up an Nzoth/Nya alotha raid, but then, I cant think of how we could deal with Sylvanas and the faction conflict in one .5 patch mhhh
uncut vault
8.1.5 didnt get any announcement, but it also got announced at blizzcon
along with 8.2 and worgen/goblins in 8.2.5
.5 patches seem to be mostly lore progress this xpac
only big content thing in 8.1.5 was the mini-raid, and theres the potential for a warfront in 8.2.5 which could fill that slot
unborn glacier
@uncut vault 8.1.5 was annouced in the same live stream as 8.1, which happened before Blizzcon. We learned more @ Blizzcon
tropic trail
the 8.3 patch will probably have only 1 raid, right?
uncut vault
Correct, and potentially a dungeon
tropic trail
Gosh I hope its not going to be a SoG 2.0 but different location
dense plover
They made it very clear they aren’t doing that
At this point, dragon isles or Nzoth is more likely
tropic trail
Ok I believe you, but if not, I will be here and @ you
zealous basalt
Was that a reference to that dude with the mechagnomes
night swift
Oh god not again lol
zealous basalt
I hope it is
Or we are dealing with a lot of inmature peebs
See JHok i believe jt is that, if not i will @ you
tropic trail
obviously it was a joke, yes
tropic trail
mh, what happened that we need to verify now our phone number to write here? 🤔
tropic trail
oh ok
cursive fossil
so the admins added another layer of protection to try stop it
It was posted in #retail-wow but ill paste it here too: https://i.imgur.com/Zx5XAXi.png
make sure that's set to off 🙂
agile token
What I would want to see from an 8.3 raid is an open world instance where we fight the initial army the old gods spew at us, but we lose because N'zoth is the first old god we fight in its full form (As big as northrend)
dense plover
I doubt it
Plunder isle was actually talked about at one point
It was something they were thinking about and then decided against
And if mechagon is like timeless, they might just work on new content for it
Two timeless isles in one expac is too much
plain vigil
I'm thinking 8.3 may have mini raid of sorts. Each warbringer has been a final boss so I'm expecting Sylvanas to be the same. That being said Azshara has to die a third time to bring upon the grand awakening, so I'm thinking we may see a mini raid, or mega dungeon to finish off Azshar for good, this time including the major related elf characters
As for timeless isles... If we do get another thing similar to mechagon it will be more in vein of the isle of Giants or thundering islands. Personally I think we'll get Dragon isles as a zone in 8.3
flint meteor
night swift
They’ve said they aren’t doing her as a raid boss
tropic trail
actually they just said that they arent going to kill her as a raid boss
unborn glacier
Plunder isle will likely just me an expedition map
plain vigil
All warbringers so far have both been raid bosses, and survived...
Final raid bosses too
uncut vault
well, yogg is
we dont know the full size of nzoth, as he was the smallest of the old gods
dense plover
^
agile token
For reference
plain vigil
He wasn't the smallest, he was the "weakest"
dense plover
he controlled the least amount of territory
and in general for old gods, in so far as we can tell, territory is relative to size
terse patrol
(B-But I think Xal’atath is the weakest. :()
languid yoke
she's not an old god
zealous basalt
She cn be my old goddess
unborn glacier
She is a an Old God
We have no reason to not believe so. She speaks of Yogg, Cthun, Nzoth and Yshaarj as her siblings/brethren. We have to take that at face value until otherwise stated.
dense plover
uh
heres a reason
chronicles says there are 4 old gods
so unless xal was created like ghuun, i dont think so
the joke on the dagger about it maybe being the claw of a 5th old god is related to an old meme
uncut vault
well, chronicles says there were four when the titans got there
dense plover
i guess thats true
but honestly, even if xal is the leftover of a 5th, she isnt an old god
an old god couldnt be trapped in a dagger
if they could, the titans wouldve just done that
uncut vault
xal is a bit higher up than an old god in whatever the void heirarchy is, IMO. Different kind of entity, and obviously brought low
dense plover
maybe like, drained of its power
i could see that being possible
leading us into more bad guys
uncut vault
she seems much more knowledgeable than even the old gods themselves, and likely left azeroth at the end of her questline
dense plover
because we need new ones
unborn glacier
@dense plover Chronicles also shows 5 old golds on that page with all the old gods in the art work. Specifically 5 horroric creatures are depicted
unborn glacier
Yup
Yogg, Cthun, Yshaarj and Nzoth are all depicted in the artwork
And a 5th.
Chronicles Volume 3
dense plover
unborn glacier
dense plover
what?
unborn glacier
Page 4, Chronicles III
dense plover
you mean the top right thing?
thats 100% background art
its literally a filler design pagve
unborn glacier
xD
zealous basalt
kek
unborn glacier
All 4 Old Gods are depcited and you're just gonna demiss that 5th as just some artistic freedom?
dense plover
b/c this is pyro level bullshit
unborn glacier
Thats bullshit
zealous basalt
who has the most bs
dense plover
its a nothing image
if anything the top one looks like cthulu and might be a reference to it
its extremely nondescript
and again, even if there were 5 old gods
by the time the titans arrived, there were 4
unborn glacier
I think you are being dismissive because it, like everything, adds more questions than it answers.
That is not just artistic freedom
dense plover
no, its because in chronicles they say there were 4 old gods
at least by the time the titans got there
unborn glacier
And dismissing it as such is dishonest or lazy. Take your pick.
dense plover
chronicles is fact
the words
the pictures are artistic interpretations unless they have a caption
then they are official
unborn glacier
Chronicles also doesn't mention Ghuun, soooo
dense plover
chronicles doesnt mention everything
then the game would have no suprises
but it doesnt ignore itself
unborn glacier
Then you've defeated your own argument
dense plover
no
unborn glacier
Yes
unborn glacier
"chronicles doesnt mention everything"
unborn glacier
Defeats your own argument
dense plover
you dont have to say everything to tell the truth
if i say I have a birthday but dont say when it is, im not lying
i omitted info\
zealous basalt
eat popcorn first time i see peach on an argument
dense plover
if i said my birthday was jan 1 and it wasnt, thats lying
unborn glacier
You do, if Chronicles is supposed to be written by this omnipresent being who knows all.
dense plover
ITS WRITTEN BY BLIZZARD
im fucking sick of this line
it isnt written by some god or diety
its literal purpose is to inform the reader of the world's lore
from a 4th wall perspective
if it doesnt do that, you could sue
thats false advertising
it was advertised as the lore as told from the developers
unborn glacier
Incorrect. The book is clearly written in such a way that its meant to appear like it is in the universe itself. It is written as if it is being narrated to us.
unborn glacier
Yus
unborn glacier
lol
dense plover
you cant say "This is X"
unborn glacier
No, its not
dense plover
and then its Y
from the author
Twitter
full tweet
"Not that its written by an ingame character. but that it compiles history and sheds new light on old lore and establishes new things"
LAWYER'D
to add on to this
fuck Pyromancer. his videos are inaccurate trash, and if you believe ANYTHING he makes, you are wasting everyone's time
dude started this whole thing based on no evidence
and its clearly refutable
just like the whole void/light/death thing they go on about
its trash and should be incinerated like any rancid garbage should be
unborn glacier
I don't like everything Pyro talks about. But I'm sad that you want to silence discussion.
dense plover
it isnt discussion tho
hypothesis doesnt mean a guess from left field
there's no evidence
they just say whatever they think
based on something their brain said
thats not discussion
thats rumormongering
unborn glacier
Hypothesis means ANYTHING. Not what YOU want it to be.
unborn glacier
Yes.
dense plover
as a scientist
no
"a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation."
you need evidence
he has none
unborn glacier
I'm sorry that you can't handle anyone speculating something that you disagree with.
dense plover
thats not what that word means weither
actually
im wrong on that front
speculation means the lack of good evidence
but the problem stems from him not presenting it as speculation
the way they present it is as if its true
"the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence."
its the opposite of a hypothesis
unborn glacier
He does. Bell does. Accolonn does. Taliesin does. Shinies and Luckidos does. They all do. And you want them all silenced if they come up with anything you don't agree with. Your words, not mine.
unborn glacier
Incorrent
dense plover
no
dense plover
do you want me to find proof?
unborn glacier
Go ahead.
unborn glacier
The what?
dense plover
the fact that bellular has multiple times stated thrall lost his power from cheating at makgora
which isnt the case
unborn glacier
What, Thrall? Yes. He cheated in the Makgora. And the elements have since refused to answer to him.
unborn glacier
It is very much suggested that in game.
dense plover
"The rules of a Mak'gora seem to be different between each Mak'gora, since they are chosen and set by the participants themselves. Generally, there are thus no specific rules. The only consistent theme in all Mak'gora is that the pair must fight to the death or until submission. Magic, for example, has never been stated to be forbidden, and has, in fact, been used in multiple Mak'gora duels and thus seems to be permitted. Similarly, many Mak'gora duels have involved both fighters wearing body armor as well, but it can also be forbidden when explicitly required. "
it isnt
they even explained it later
unborn glacier
It is.
unborn glacier
Because he cheated.
zealous basalt
Subjetivity
dense plover
"A popular misconception among the fanbase is that Thrall cheated in his final mak'gora against Garrosh when he used elemental magic. However, there has never been any rule forbidding the use of magic and spells. Moreover, there is precedent for the use of magic in mak'gora, as both Shagara and Ashra made extensive use of it during their mak'gora. Thrall had also already used magic in the first mak'gora between him and Garrosh, by throwing lightning bolts."
you are wrong
you keep saying "yes"
unborn glacier
That is someone who attends to that page's, opinion
dense plover
dude
unborn glacier
Thats the flaw in Wikis
dense plover
no
zealous basalt
He felt guilty because Garrosh was his responsability
unborn glacier
Yes
zealous basalt
not because he cheated
dense plover
thrall used magic in the first makgora against garrosh
thats lore
it happened
before he killed garrosh
that was their second makgora
unborn glacier
And he cheated.
zealous basalt
he was going to kill him with the bolts
zealous basalt
but the scourge invasion happened
unborn glacier
Blizz even established using Fel power, even tho it is Guldans 'magic' in the movie. Granted it is an AU, clearly Blizz believes using magic in a mokgora, is which you go in with one weapon and no armor, is cheating.
unborn glacier
It is an AU.
unborn glacier
Yes. As established by Blizz
dense plover
it isnt canon
unborn glacier
It is an AU
dense plover
the lore in the movie isnt canon as established by blizz
unborn glacier
And Alt timeline
unborn glacier
It still clearly shows Blizz considers it cheating
dense plover
"The film is set in an alternate version of the Warcraft universe"
unborn glacier
No. You just cant refute it.
dense plover
not an alternate universe
unborn glacier
THAT MEANS AU
dense plover
no
unborn glacier
Jesus...
unborn glacier
Aight. You you refuse to be honest and consistent, I'm going back to my warfront.
dense plover
"While firmly set in the Warcraft universe in the period of the opening of the Dark Portal, the film deviates from official lore in numerous areas, some critical. For lore purposes the film is considered to take place in its own version of the Warcraft universe"
aka not canon
zealous basalt
That thing about using magic in mak gora being cheating is some warrior bullshit rp myth
zealous basalt
what else you can expect of a sylvanas loyalist
dense plover
specifically noted as not a parallel universe and non-canon
unborn glacier
@zealous basalt Oh boy. Ad homs.
zealous basalt
Never tag me you sylvanas loyalist
zealous basalt
That is something you can't be, sadly.
dense plover
^ says the guy who cant admit being wrong
unborn glacier
I would never disregard someones opinion, based on what wow character they like
Or what side they take in game
🤷
dense plover
🤦 dude, he isnt being serious
i dont know how thats not obvious
it was even in italics
like
damn man
WOOSH
zealous basalt
did i need to actually put r/woosh?
dense plover
apparently
🙄
no matter what character you choose, you are wrong, the movie isnt canon
unborn glacier
Yes, because I actually deal with lots of retards who think its okay to disregard someones opinion based on what they like/hate/etc
dense plover
the books are not from an in universe character
also, that word isnt ok
plz dont use it
plenty of good replacements - ie - idiots, morons, dumbasses
zealous basalt
n00bs
dense plover
^
unborn glacier
The info you posted proved my point that the movie is an AU. They said it is an AU. If you can't see that, then I cant convince you of my argument.
unborn glacier
I did
dense plover
read the fucking tweet
unborn glacier
I did
zealous basalt
I think we have a different meaning of AU
zealous basalt
It's a different branch
zealous basalt
its canon on its on way
dense plover
theres no finagling
zealous basalt
but doesn't get canonized with the game canon
dense plover
^
zealous basalt
It's like
dense plover
its canon to the movie-verse
zealous basalt
another warcraft universe
dense plover
like marvel comics and marvel movies
zealous basalt
A cinematographic universe
dense plover
they have things in common, but they arent the same
zealous basalt
A BCU
dense plover
^
it can not be used to support ANYTHING in the game
just like stuff from marvel movies isnt neccesarily canon in the comics
zealous basalt
which is good because the avenger universe's spiderman sucks ass
zealous basalt
WOA WHAT YOU M8
zealous basalt
i am not saying he is bad
tropic trail
because I like to play devils advocate, here is a funny thing. 2 weeks ago Talesien&Evi had a dinner with Terran, he said to tali we had 5 old gods from the beginning
dense plover
I call bullshit
He probably said they originally planned for 5
Which they did
Then they dropped one
tropic trail
could be a mistake on his own, but thats what he said on that dinner
dense plover
They originally planned to have 5
But then they only made 4
They decided 4 was plenty
And as they got further in they decided it might be too much
Which is part of why they killed Yshaarj
tropic trail
yea I know that from the chronicles
dense plover
No, I mean the devs
tropic trail
also, it does look like the Azshara Mythic fight doesnt have any "secret" boss, right?
dense plover
They thought 4 was plenty
They don’t tend to do that very much now
But dunno, don’t think anyone’s gotten down to 30 or 25%
That’s when the illidan thing happened in nighthold I think
tropic trail
oh, so there still could be one
storm marsh
I had a dream I woke up to checking Wowhead and seeing first PTR build
ruby prawn
Bu are you allowed to use both magic and a melee weapon in a mak'gora? @dense plover
I thought you could only have your weapon enchanted in a melee fight
smoky mural
so sylvanas can use her banshee powers then
dense plover
There are cases of using both or neither