i wont belive you at all
#beta-ptr-spoilers
meager zodiac
strange falcon
Source or It didnt happen
meager zodiac
because i follow anything sethrak i didnt heard anything about sethrak at all
plain vigil
Live in your sad hopeless world then may...
meager zodiac
the discord dedicated to that sugestion didnt know any of that
plain vigil
I believe sethrak will happen. Maybe not this Xpac, but maybe in the prepatch
meager zodiac
they wont
strange falcon
Bloom,you're living in a sad hopeless world already with your incredibly fixation on mechagnomes
uncut lintel
da armor is hard for dem D:
strange falcon
You Need an unbiased point of view to correctly judge things
meager zodiac
i would love sethrak alliance an i think it would be . a briliant pair with vulpera
but its doubtfull
plain vigil
Damn dafire why do out hate junkergnomes so much you feel the need stop attack me
meager zodiac
im not atacking you
plain vigil
Never said you did may
meager zodiac
like if it was up to me
i would have created a new race using th gnome skeleton
like the vulpera use the goblin one
id pick up the main "traits" of the gnomes
wich for me are creativity, preserverance, and a sense of random fun and cookieness
strange falcon
I'm not hating junkergnomes,Just saying you're behaving like someof the more unsavory highelf fans where they see One thing,and One thing only,and they only talk about that,regardless of evidence if It Will happen or not
meager zodiac
and create a nature-wild race that focus on a complete oposite of gnomes
but similar personality
meager zodiac
so gnome fans that enjoy their personality and themes
get a new flavour of that genre
like
imagine if you like crime books right,and you love this book about i dont know train murders
and christmas comes
and your sister gets another fantasy book that is similar but unique to the book she loves and talks all th time
while you get the same book you just reread all the time
but this time, with a "pretty cover'
for me this is what mechagnomes feel like
vulpera are a merchant race with a similar love for material goods and slight cunning of goblins, but more serious and moralistic
strange falcon
They are also resourceful,have history of genocide and can be fierce too
plain vigil
Damn Dafire they way you were acting you sounded like a salty high elf's fan
meager zodiac
yeah
its a similar look and feel
but a new take at it
and people that dont like gnomes can perhaps like them, so both sides kinda win
its a smart design
plain vigil
The thing people love about gnomes isn't their smol stature, it's their tinkering....
meager zodiac
tldr vulpera are similar enough to be familiar to goblin fans, but distant enough to feel like a new thing
they could have had a new race that tinkered with magic
strange falcon
We should also mention that Vulpera and Sethrak are the only nonplayable races with the Heart of azeroth animation since early beta,which mechagnomes dont have
plain vigil
Yeah magic would have been a cool route 😃
Yes that is true but Vulpera are missing things mechagnomes do have, like player dances
strange falcon
If datamined quests are to be believed,Vulpera are almost 100% confirmed to have shamans
plain vigil
Not here to debate Vulpera, we know they're happening
strange falcon
You dont Need a custom dance to be a playable allied race cough legion4+maghar and darkiron
Plus,they do have custom animations different from goblins
plain vigil
Yeah again not debating vulpera
You wanna talk about them feel free to come to the Vulpera Hype Caravan 😃
strange falcon
I'm not debating the "evidence" but mechagnomes having a custom dance might Just be a Dev Who wanted to work on It, regardless of them being an allied race or not.
Like how we have 4 color tints for LF and NB heritage becuase a Dev got "carried away"
And dont worry,i'm One of the OG people there since day1
plain vigil
Yeah J remember you. You've been inactive recently 😦
I think they should release all the color varients. Especially Kul'Tirans who have a color for each house
strange falcon
"inactive" Is not the correct word,but i have to go out now 🤔
plain vigil
Ah you got the boot
ruby prawn
Are they going to update the water goblin model as well? Or just the normal goblin?
frigid crater
I don't think that updating gilblins` models is feasible, but who knows
uncut vault
Just the normal goblin, water goblin is a separate model, it just uses the same skeleton
smoky mural
Even the female one is shit
stark mesa
Is wow going to redo their factions or is it just a rumor
vestal wing
rumors nothing more
wouldn't be the 1st time that Blizzard manages to surprise their player base
stark mesa
That would be interesting to see
night swift
Blizz has said that factions are the biggest part of WoW but all other mmos have shown that splitting the playerbase for stuff besides pvp doesnt work
eso had it originally and they took it out later and it made the game so much better
plain vigil
I wouldn't say nothing more... They did say that the faction war would end in BFA
The Faction system will always exist in wow... Horde Vs. Alliance may not be part of that system anymore.
tropic trail
as long as PvP exist, Horde vs Alliance will never be removed. And I am not talking only about PvP battle grounds and open world pvp. City Raids and killing the faction leaders are a big part of wow, thats not going to be removed. Also all the achievements.
I think people are taking this way to much serious. the devs were probably talking about the Lore and the conflicts the Alliance and Horde has there
plain vigil
It used to be a big part of wow, but capital raids died with server community dieing. What's the point of restricting things with factions outside of PVP if the story gives no reason for it?
tropic trail
Thats why the story will give reasons for it. We will have probably the same as we had in Legion. Uniting together to fight someone bigger in peace, but some people/races will still have a small conflict here and there
plain vigil
I agree racial conflict will always be a major part of wow. But it doesn't need the racial infrastructure. We already see both factions splitting hairs. Tyrande is completely in her own head atm. She couldn't care less about being a part of the alliance, she just wants revenge. Genn is trying to hold the mess together, being a mentor and surrogate dad to Anduin but also needing to put his people and their wants first. The Blood elves are split, half wanting revenge for Jaina's mistakes, supporting the banshee queen, and the other half supporting lorthemar. The void elves and Light Bound Draenei are just naturally opposing of each other. Then of course you have Baine's fate, and the foreshadowed fate of Thunderbluff. Not saying faction disbanding will happen, but there are definitely events apparent now that could lead to it
languid yoke
*She couldn't care less
plain vigil
Nwolf saves the day yet again!
languid yoke
I know
flint meteor
thunderbluff thing aint gonna happen lol
sylvanas dont care bout baine escaping at all
dense plover
Yeah there may be a raid in thunder bluff, but they won’t destroy it
It’s one of the most loved cities in the game
plain vigil
I don't think it will be destroyed, but it's interesting that it's served an important location in the emerald nightmare
clever ember
TB will probably become a warfront
There was a new map data mined a while ago of mulgore I believe
dark furnace
It was of the Barrens, but Mulgore was on it too
wise crest
i cant wait for gilblin and mechagnomes tbh
the hints from the gilblins that theyre gonna join the horde has me fucking ready
dense plover
It was going to be a barrens warfront - focused on adsaulting the gates of thunder bluff
Mulgore
Not TB
indigo laurel
Mhm, that leak also had a Silvermoodn Warfront if I'm not mistaken
And a third one that I have forgotten?
strange falcon
Barrens wf
indigo laurel
Ah, azshara (the zone, not the character) was the third one: https://www.wowhead.com/news=287123/possible-new-warfront-locations-discovered
dense plover
Silver moon and azshara probably aren’t happening
Barrens is the only remaining possibility
And even then, it’s unknown if we should even expect another
languid yoke
I'd doubt the alliance would have a reason now to attack the gates of mulgore though
dense plover
Might be the reverse
Or unfactioned
Like - defend mulgore or attack it - your choice
terse patrol
Ye, might be Horde/Alliance vs Loyalist warfront.
@dense plover
Setting up for the raid. Whatever that might be.
(Stormwind)
uncut vault
honestly, Im placing my bets on Sylvanas tricking the main force into being in Mulgore, and then we get a Westfall warfront
it has a specific BfA section for updated assets since beta
uncut vault
terse patrol
Interesting.
dense plover
well she did want to siege stormwind
uncut vault
would actually end up being Sylvanas doing something smart all this time, instead of being turned into chaotic stupid for plot
plain vigil
Westfall was also a datamined location
Oh
@wise crest you do know horde are most likely going to be getting Vulpera instead of Gilblins, if any allied race at all
wise crest
considering some of the lines from the gilblin recently im actually not so sure, vulpera yet to get updates making them fully playable and all 3 gilblins have lines about the horde including vim saying "if this is how the horde always rolls, sign me up!"
wise crest
if it ddoesnt happen oh well but if it does happen aam i free to @ you
dense plover
and with the goblin redo coming, focusing on gilblins is stupid
wise crest
yeah its called a temporary model because theyre working on the goblin models still
dense plover
two new goblin models at once is awful
wise crest
itd be a bit... wack??? to have gilblin ready but not goblin
terse patrol
If gilblin dont get updated in 8.2.5, confirmed they won't be playable/
wise crest
yeah
dense plover
that would be like the alliance allied race being based on the new worgen model
wise crest
if they update is the real question
dense plover
it wont happen
wise crest
altho a lot of dialogue hints it
terse patrol
eh
wise crest
all 3 bodyguards discuss the horde with interest
terse patrol
Races can join the Horde and not be playable.
dense plover
^^^
wise crest
and vim when i finished the nazjatar quests
wise crest
said he'd wanna join the horde
terse patrol
high elves reeeee
wise crest
the dialogue evoked a level similar to silgryns dialogue with liadrin
plain vigil
Vulpera have player only animations, and are listed as allied races in some in game cinematics... They also have completed player ready models in line with the quality of an allied race. They're clearly horde, and they have a multitude of quests setting them up unlike the Gilblins having 3 followers very little story and a few dailies. I hope they both happen, I really do, but with both of them Sharing a goblin rig it's unlikely, and far more likely that Vulpera will happen
dense plover
^ this
wise crest
tbh as some people have said the blue post did say the vulpera was an npc only, maybe they considered it and backed out
they cant even blink can they
or wear hats
and are missing animations
plain vigil
Nah the Vulpera fanbase is way too strong for them to just back out like that... Vulpera do have blinking animations
wise crest
im pretty sure any time you put a helmet on them horrible clipping occurs
terse patrol
keep in mind
wise crest
where the ears vanish
terse patrol
Blizzard will never tell you months ahead of time a spoiler unless its in PTR.
dense plover
^^^
wise crest
i dont think goblin ears vanish on a face mask
terse patrol
Why would they ruin a "surprise" by saying "o ya totally an allied race"
plain vigil
That's normal with most playable races... It would just be fixed when they're implemented, like Belfs in legion...
wise crest
anyway
all im saying is
if it turns out the blue post wasnt a lie
and vulpera were always intended as an npc race only
plain vigil
What blue post are you referring to?
terse patrol
Blizzard isn't above lying in order to maintain the "surprise".
wise crest
better not see any whining cause we were told months in advance
terse patrol
Looking at you 9.0 prepatch.
terse patrol
The fact they're taking bets is laughable.
Nothing points to them going Alliance.
idk why people still think they'd be an Alliance race.
plain vigil
I mean concidering blizzard explicitly stated that Allied races will not be subraces because not all of them will be subraces, yet EVERY ALLIED RACE SOFAR IS A SUBRACE... They're bound to add one non-Subrace. And Vulpera are very likely filling that spot.
terse patrol
I suspect though that we'll be seeing the next future allied races in the 8.2.5 story. 8.3 at the latest.
wise crest
the statement is true thoughh
maghar and junkers are not subraces
theyre progenitor races
also this is the post i meant
terse patrol
Blizzard never said Allied Races would only be based off existing races. See: Kul Tirans.
So, if Blizzard has an idea they want, they'll do it.
wise crest
they even said kultirans were a last minute choice
all im saying is if vulpera dont happen??
we were told
explicitly
terse patrol
Allied Races are basically just races that don't get as many customization options usually, and don't get their own capital cities.
plain vigil
Junkers are subraces... They're gnomes with metal arms. Mag'har isn't a Subrace, but our orcs are a Subrace of Mag'har... Dark irons? Subrace. Nigjtborne? Subrace of Nelfs... The list goes on and on
wise crest
junkers are the gnomes who existed before the gnomeregan gnomes
mechagon is older than most gnomes alive
wise crest
idk id say hes not older than some of the mechagnomes in northrend
terse patrol
I doubt he had that kid after he got mechanized.
plain vigil
No... Junker Gnomes came from gnomeragon... Mechagon was the last king of the gnomes,
wise crest
but hes definitely old enough to have been involved in the drust wars
terse patrol
Well, he didnt used to be a mechagnome.
And I'm p sure Mechagon isn't 100% metal anyways.
wise crest
anyway
terse patrol
He's heavily augmented.
wise crest
semantics really
plain vigil
They're physically the same... One just has robot part
wise crest
gilblin have gained quite the popularity
wont be shocked if they become playable
especially with the ingame hints
terse patrol
Gilblin are possible for the future.
plain vigil
Which is surprising. I'd like them to be playable... But Vulpera first
terse patrol
They're like wholesome tribal goblins.
wise crest
even if it was in response to whining that the junker/vulpera pair is "unfair"
terse patrol
Goblins minus the ancapistan culture.
plain vigil
Nah Vulpera community is mad because sethrak probs isn't happening
terse patrol
(Alliance Sethrak pls)
plain vigil
This^^^
terse patrol
Ye. Maybe way later.
wise crest
anyway
terse patrol
Especially after the factions are over with.
wise crest
neri talks about wondering what her people will do after they win the fight gainst azshara
poen says he really likes the sound of the horde
vim says we're a fascinating group almost like the unshackled and he'd love to join us
plain vigil
Not certain... Blizzard said in an interview after blizzcon that they were surprised people liked (certain races) (probably sethrak)... Meaning it may come in post patch
terse patrol
tbh
terse patrol
I think Dragonmen are still more likely than Sethrak.
plain vigil
Depends
terse patrol
Worgen still lack an allied race equivalent.
And dragonmen were going to be the Alliance race in Cata, before they were replaced with Worgen.
plain vigil
If we get dragon isles for 8.3 then dragonsworn for the alliance will probs happen... If not then next X-Pac will be dragon isles and we'd get them then
terse patrol
Same skeleton too.
wise crest
how woudl alliance get dragonsworn when so far the only faction alligned dragon is horde
is wrathion bout to pay his boyfriend a visit? 👀
terse patrol
A black dragon.
plain vigil
The red dragonflight hates the horde atm.
terse patrol
And uh.
wise crest
is that even possible
terse patrol
The red, green, and blue dragonflights lean Alliance.
plain vigil
It could either be blue green red or black...
wise crest
when alexstrasza is abjectly against the idea of hating the horde
terse patrol
I doubt she'd side with Orcs after uh.
plain vigil
No she hates Sylvanas enough to sway alliance
terse patrol
Being force-bred to churn out dragons.
wise crest
idk her testimony in warcrimes dint exactly scream "im condemnding your entire race because of one faction of them"
if anything it was meant to exemplify how forgiving she is
terse patrol
I'm just saying.
plain vigil
What's interesting is the alliance's portal to the broken isles is with the court of farondis... Where the blue dragonflight had heavy influence
wise crest
jaina was astounded at how willing alexstrasza was to forgive
plain vigil
Jaina's boy toy is also the leader of the blue dragonflight
terse patrol
Why would the life and nature dragonflights give direct aid to the faction with Sylvanas in it? Or the one who burned down Teldrassil?
oh wait they'll blame teldrassil solely on sylvanas
plain vigil
So like... It's looking heavily like blue dragonflight for alliance and bronze for horde of any at all
terse patrol
Wrathion definitely leans Alliance, but that doesn't mean much.
tbh, if dragonmen happen.
I suspect they won't be subservient to the dragonflights.
plain vigil
It seems wrathion isn't going to lead the black anymore though
wise crest
wrathion will likely be the alliance emissary for the dragon isles
plain vigil
The black dragonflight is kinda the hords at this point with that Highmountain dragon
wise crest
and ebonhorn will lead the horde
terse patrol
eh.
The Black Dragonflight is weird.
Because 90% of them use Alliance race forms.
Even when they aren't infiltrating.
plain vigil
Right but ebonhorn represented the black with the dragon aspects in the 8.2 quest, while wrathion watches with his spies
terse patrol
Which shows at least an aesthetic preference.
I've always seen Black Dragons as being much more interested in humans. Meh.
Maybe split the black dragonflight.
plain vigil
I think wrathion will be the neutral unaffiliated party on the dragon isles... Murozand will be the final boss of dragon isles content, and the black and bronze will take horde side while red blue and green go alliance
terse patrol
I'm not biased because I have a black drake OC named Pyroxia who leans Alliance, and is kept moderately sane due to gnomish engineering.
plain vigil
Ew a dragon rper :p
plain vigil
Nah this is a power move... Not only am I taunting junkergnome haters with my profile picture, I'm also seeding the idea of less tmog restrictions into people's subconscious
(the helm is leather, the rest is mail)
plain vigil
Oh shit that's badass
outer hinge
I'm warning up to a juckergnome allied
plain vigil
Haha I have the following names saved for junkers: Dalek, Jimbo (Jimmy Neutron), Ratchet, Clank. Among others
terse patrol
@uncut vault so where'd you find out about those westfall tilesets
uncut vault
long time ago, Marlamin brought them back up recently
plain vigil
Initially it was just one seige engine object that was mined for westfall. This is cool that it's sprouting up again
tropic trail
@plain vigil Where do you have the idea that Alexstrasza hates Sylvanas? Did I missed something`? Like do we have any dialogue between them two or any thoughts from Alexstrasza?
plain vigil
Nah. She's the Aspect of life. Sylvanas's goal is to oppose life. Additionally Sylvanas caused wrathgate, Alexstraza fixed it. It's not that she really has motivation to attack Sylvanas (yet) but rather she would never Ally with her, and thus would allign with the Alliance
tropic trail
Sylvanas didnt caused wrathgate, unless you are talking about her being fault for creating the blight (that was even confirmaed again in Before the Storm . people need to stop saying Sylvanas caused the Wrathgate, because she didnt!)
So we dont have anything right now and its just headcanon? But I totaly can see her later being against Sylvanas, would make sense in a life vs death scenario.
plain vigil
The wrathgate event is known for the blight attack really... So like yeah. I wouldn't say headcannon as a large group of people support the idea that RDF would be against Sylvanas
tropic trail
the wrathgate event is known for Putress and Varimathras betraying Sylvanas and the Horde and blight backstabbing the alliance and Horde on the Wrathgate.
Well thats what headcanon is, and I support the Idea that RDF would be against Sylvanas too (only because a lot of people support something doesnt make anything canon unless its shown ingame or in a novel)
boreal shuttle
All Elves and Sylvanas sucks
plain vigil
It was confirmed by devs that Sylvanas was responsible for what happened at wrathgate @tropic trail
long blade
yea so the players have more against her
tropic trail
@plain vigil it wasnt confirmed. It was just a misspoke by Afrasiabi. He was probably meaning that she was behind the creation of the Blight. As I said, it was confirmed once again in the newest novel (Before the Storm) at the beginning that Sylvanas is not responsible for the wrathgate betraying. it was putress and vari
She did not betrayed the Horde at the wrathgate
plain vigil
No with BFA they officially confirmed jt
dense plover
uh
no
no they didnt
please stop spreading this rumor
it was an incorrect statement made in error
that has been said as made in error
people assumed it was a retcon
it wasnt
tropic trail
^
also "Before the Storm" is from BfA and as already said twice, there is a line where its confirmed (again) that Sylvanas didnt betrayed the Horde on the wrathgate
jade basalt
Chronicle also states that, while there are rumors that Sylvanas may have known about it in advance, this was planned and orchestrated by Putress and Varimathras, and their betraying Sylvanas was real.
And her knowing in advance is not really surprising, surely she had spies observing them 24/7. But she did not do it.
terse patrol
Sylvanas basically let it happen because it was advantageous for her.
See: Arthas might die.
She didn’t care if the Alliance/Horde soldiers died.
jade basalt
It really was not advantageous for her. Both the Alliance and the Horde came to kick her butt out of the city. However you could speculate that she did intend to do something akin to this at some point, i.e unleashing this new plague on Arthas, but Putress stole it, did it before her, used it on both factions, and in a way that put the blame on her.
terse patrol
How wasn’t it advantageous?
Remember that back then, Sylvanas has NO plans to live past Arthas’ death.
She was willing to send it all up in flames if it meant her vengeance happened. But Arthas did not die.
So she claimed lack of knowledge and aided us taking back the Undercity.
jade basalt
I just stated how. It caused both factions to come after her. Whereas if the Forsaken had used it on Arthas alone, this wouldn't have happened.
terse patrol
This was their chance to use it on him. Why would they assume they’d get a better chance than him monologuing at the front of the Wrathgate?
jade basalt
I really don't get your point. Sylvanas is not the kind of person to not have a backup plan. She always has a plan B.
In any case we know for a fact that this was not her idea, nor her doing, so there really isn't much debate.
Putress and Varimathreas stole her new weapon and used it on both factions at once, causing them to come for Sylvie, putting her at a serious disadvantage.
terse patrol
Her backup plan was what we saw. Wrathgate didn’t work, so she helped stop Putress and Co.
jade basalt
Wrathgate was not her plan
dense plover
you cant have a backup for something that wasnt supposed to happen
terse patrol
If Arthas had died at Wrathgate, she would have an-hero’d herself and let the world deal with the fallout of the attack.
dense plover
that doesnt matter
wrathgate was not her plan
this isnt a discussion
this is a fact derived from chronicles
terse patrol
It wasn’t. But letting it happen gave her a chance to kill Arthas.
dense plover
no it didnt
terse patrol
hookay
dense plover
it stopped her from having that opportunity
because the horde and alliance attacked the undercity
so she had to defend her city
instead of going after arthas
jade basalt
"using the new plague on Arthas" was obviously one of her plans.
But using it there and then (at Wrathgate, with both the Alliance and the Horde present), was not - that was Putress and Vari, which put the blame on Sylvanas.
It could've worked, but it cannot be stated to have been advantageous for her. Sylvanas may or may not have known about it because of her spies (Chronicle says there are "rumors"), but no details are given regarding the timeframe, or if she had any possibility/time to act, etc. In any case it was a less than ideal scenario.
Also remember that Putress was not really aiming for Arthas.
He just sought to kill randomly to piss off both factions so they come for Sylvie and so he gets Undercity. Again, not really ideal for Sylvie.
tropic trail
I feel like a parrot that has to repeat itself again and again. Everything what Mind and peach said + the fact it is stated in Chronicles AND the new novel in Before the Storm
flint meteor
would not be a bad ending for sylv
tropic trail
dont put to much hope into fake leaks. They are fun to read but at the end they are fake
flint meteor
next patch should be on ptr by the end of next month or something?
tropic trail
probably
dense plover
probably 5 weeks
flint meteor
tropic trail
I say 8.2.5 ptr will come like after the last LFR wing of Azsharas raid
so basically end of this mounth / early august
dense plover
nah, 8.2.5 isnt 8.3
as long as the cutscene has been out a while
should be fine
my guess is 5 weeks
oh
tropic trail
5 weeks from now?
tropic trail
or 5 weeks after 8.2 raid cinematic
tropic trail
yea makes sense
dense plover
or maybe before
if they start with model stuff
they could do it in waves
with spoiler content after the raid
tropic trail
Im sure we will get before 8.2.5 ptr some new interviews
terse patrol
Eh, last PTR came out around raid release.
So it could be next week.
@dense plover
dense plover
not likely
terse patrol
Who knows, though.
dense plover
considering we dont know what happens
8.1 didnt have that
like - there was no suprise ending
terse patrol
I doubt they’re holding the cinematic back for mythic.
terse patrol
People hated that when they did it for Guldan.
dense plover
minimum the week after mythic
uh - they didnt
last mythic only cutscene was in WoD
with the first raid
they have mythic only phases
terse patrol
ah ye.
dense plover
but those still exist
terse patrol
You’re right
zealous basalt
Wonder if the gift will have something to do in the raid
wise crest
👀 more talk from the gilblin bout the horde
plain vigil
Nah it was him peach. But that convo ended a while ago
My wonder is if the Gilblins know about their creator... Cause he's still alive, and (I think) part of the horde
tulip sun
He is an active part of BfA in the horde war campaign
plain vigil
LMFAO
wise crest
well the thing is vim and poen are natural born gilblin
they had gilblin parents
meaning if hobart DID make gilblin it was a loooong time ago
that or goblin lifespans are very fast
terse patrol
could also be a retcon
@wise crest
Unless they mention their creation in 8.2
‘Cause they might just be an offshoot of goblins modified by naga in olden times to serve as slaves
lone marten
Deep sea gilblin
uncut vault
Gilblins are probably different from kelfins
plain vigil
Not likely. Just it's been over 10 years since cata and he made them before cata
sullen dawn
Speculation for tomorrows cinematic?
Will nzoth rise or will sylvanas suck him up into knifey
dense plover
i expect nzoth to be freed
that dagger couldnt hold nzoth
never ever
if it could, they would've used it already
sullen dawn
When would they have used it? Shadow priests had it before nzoth was even a concern, then it got used on sargeras sword, then xalatath coerced player to bring it to nzoth, then nzoth made sure it made its way to sylvanas, then nathanos used it to find azshara and hes mia
In not saying it could hold him...just that no ones had the chance to try
dense plover
its a silly theory
not to mention freeing an old god is badass
and its the only thing we havent had happen before
weve seen one die - yshaarj; we have pushed two back in their prisons - cthun and yogg; but freed?
not to mention you could use that opportunity to explain whats going on with yogg and cthun
and a fullblown old god expac would be awesome
8.3 could be dragon isles - working to reseal nzoth and then we lose
and nzoth releases yogg and cthun
BAM - old god expac
sullen dawn
I do hope youre right
Just i have a strong feeling sylvanas is final boss of this expansion - and ion said at end of 8.2 raid wed know who the final boss was
So i assume she makes an appearance at least
zealous basalt
and they also said they wont be repeating a soo
sullen dawn
Doesnt mean they have to. Fighting sylvanas doesnt mean shes actually a bad guy like garrosh
tropic trail
Sylvanas and Nathanos arent in Nazjatar when they fight against Azsahra
sullen dawn
I think theyre gonna try justify her actions, saying she did teldressil and the war to help build strwngth to fight old gods
Nathanos is right?
tropic trail
Nathanos is getting summoned back to orgrimmar by Sylvanas, after we free Baine (if you are a sylvanas loyalist)
then he tells you to prepare for the most important mission, soon he will summon as too
sullen dawn
Ah havent played as sylvanis loyalist
Do we know what he was doing after he walked off with blade when ships crashed?
tropic trail
also the dialogue between Lorthemar and Thalyysra tells us that 1. Nztoh is freed and "rising" and that they want to deal now with Sylvanas, before they fight Nzoth
Nope, we dont know what Nathanos did in nazjatar
sullen dawn
Didnt look like nzoth was free yet in opening 8.2 cinematic
dense plover
they word for word say sylvanas wont be a raid boss
tropic trail
hes not, but he will in the azshara raid
dense plover
probably
dark furnace
Nathanos is just randomly standing around in Nazjatar when you turn in the quest to him
About Baine
sullen dawn
Thats weird considering sylvanas/nathabos are the reason anyone even went to nazjatar
tropic trail
actually they said Sylvanas wont die as a Raid Boss, but they said indeed its not excluded that she still can be a Raid Boss
sullen dawn
Yeh i dont think shell 'die'
dense plover
well, if the reason is anything like legion - sylvanas is looking for a way to not die and save the forsaken - in that order
dunno what that would be honestly
dark furnace
They also said "Sylvanas is already a boss, you can fight her anytime in Orgrimmar/Undercity"
tropic trail
^
sullen dawn
Sure but thats not reallt a reason? Thats what she wants sure but how does wanting to beat death = going to nazjatar
And hows does the blade fit in?
dense plover
thats what we will find out
and she doesnt want to beat death
she wants to live
those arent the same
tropic trail
"Does that mean you will not fight her?" he added. "Not necessarily true either. The reality is you can fight her every day of the week in Grommash Hold, in a raid, right now. But I do think there's a lot more to Sylvanas' story that hasn't been told yet."
"Sylvanas' destiny is to be found out and discussed by the player base, but it would be dismissive to think she'll just go down as another raid boss, because she's a little bit more than that.
sullen dawn
Yeh that seems like thats just avoiding the question
She coild be a raid 'encounter' without killing her as a boss
tropic trail
its avoiding the question "will we fight her?" but its also a confirmed she wont die as a raid boss
sullen dawn
Sylvanas VS alleria encounter for exanple while we fight undead and void creatures (just random example)
I agree
languid yoke
considering she almost died to malfurion, I really doubt she is more than another raid boss
wise crest
@terse patrol well the other theory is that hobart merely made imitation gilblins via experimentation
or maybe he made them just very long ago, it doesnt really change
languid yoke
heck, I don't see her being stronger than garrosh in her current state
wise crest
tropic trail
@languid yoke she was losing ingame but in the "a good war" novel (which was released after the ingame event) she had the upper hand and was throwing Malfurion against trees with her dark magic
So she is pretty much a lot stronger then garrosh, since Malfurion one hited Saurfang in the good war novel, while he wasnt able to do the same with Sylvanas
languid yoke
thanks blizz.
tropic trail
also you can consider what ever you want, its up to you, but when the lead lore guy (Afrasiabi) said she is more then just another raid boss, then we probably can take that
But to be fair, blizzard isnt really accurate with the "power levels" of characters. The plot decides who is how strong at the moment
modest temple
Mother mentions another titan facility on the radar. New island, race to big azeroth saving mcguffin, i can see us fighting a buffed Xal if Nzoth does get out.
voljin finds that tyr is who was playing his strings
dense plover
nah
other titan facility is nazjatar
the prison of nzoth
its extremely obvious
it says we shouldnt go there
and theres big titan pillars at the end of the eternal palace
guaranteed its that facility
unborn glacier
The prison of nzoth isn't in Naz
We are teleported to it during the raid
Its not even part of her Palace
It looks like its under the Maelstrom tbh
dense plover
Uh
It’s visible from the 8th boss
Like, the platform you teleport to is a distance away
But it’s visible
Along with the chains and pillars
rare dew
Isn't Nazjatar under the Maelstrom?
zealous basalt
I think you are confusing it with Nyalotha
rare dew
fair point
maybe not under but... near?
uncut vault
Nazjatar's location seems to have been retconned from previous lore
in order to make it in between the two continents, and near Nzoths prison
that said, as seen in the area you go through as you head towards azsharas palace, the actual city of Nazjatar is massive, we only see the gate to the city in the zone proper
dense plover
^
jade basalt
I haven't seen anything relating to Nazjatar's location. They seem to have gone above and beyond to not mention it. As far as we know, the last source on Nazjatar's location is still Chronicle, i.e it's somewhere near the Maelstrom.
N'zoth's prison however, yes this seems to have changed. It's now near Nazjatar.
sullen dawn
Eta for cinematic?
uncut vault
whenever the servers are up and they can get in game
sullen dawn
Cool dont live in usa, had thought their servers usually go up around this time
dense plover
Give it a bit
sullen dawn
theyre up
dense plover
give it about 20 min
gotta upload it and such
looks like its encrypted, so we might have to wait for someone to beat the raid
idk
uncut vault
Marlamin said that they have to capture it in game
dunno if that means directly in raid or just via key insert
terse patrol
Key insert? @uncut vault
uncut vault
the encryption key to watch it
dense plover
yeah but we dont have the key
so its likely full capture from the raid itself
so someone needs to beat the raid on normal
so probably more like within the next 5 hours
dense plover
someone ping me if the cinematic goes up somewhere
restive pasture
Perculia just tweeted that she saw it in a private stream (for press I'm assuming)
mystic heart
@restive pasture 100%
they could
mystic heart
@sullen dawn link
tropic trail
just watch Squishei
sullen dawn
Either way im sure it wont be long till someone uploads
dense plover
Squishei is live and on the last boss
oh damn, its literally called the last prison
and looks way cooler on live than ptr
it has all these effects and mobs and structures
they keep wiping tho
everyone does
its apparently a tough fight
especially since people are rushing without gear
restive pasture
Is azshara supposed to die at the end? Or is it a fake out
restive pasture
👍
tropic trail
then one of them should kill her in the raid and we get the cinematic
dense plover
oh damn
azshara says it
"the diamond king has been made a pawn"
she uses the HoA to power her ritual
tropic trail
yep
sullen dawn
didn't we know that?
tropic trail
yea I think she said that already on Nazjatar
uncut lintel
where r u guys watching this at
tropic trail
ina quest
sullen dawn
well from PTR i mean
tropic trail
from PTR too
uncut lintel
damn
sullen dawn
30% wipe
uncut lintel
i dont have twitch anymore
uncut lintel
oh thanks
dense plover
damn, wiped at 24%
sullen dawn
yup
limber mural
impressive that this is the first fight in yonks that NPCs have actually come in and pressed buttons
instead of just sitting outside and shouting encouragement
coven
uncut lintel
THIS IS TENSE
uncut lintel
i want a lil n'zoth pet
dense plover
lets see if they can survive long enough this time
sullen dawn
15%
dense plover
YES
uncut lintel
OOOOOOOOOOOOO
mystic heart
yea
uncut lintel
WAS ALIVEEE
dense plover
a little disappointed
sullen dawn
azshara still alive!
dense plover
nzoth said a thing, stole azshara, then left
smoky mural
thats it
uncut vault
hes literally said that line before too lol
indigo laurel
So that was anticlimatic
ionic terrace
lmao
ionic terrace
maybe skybox
smoky mural
does anyone else think that sucked
sullen dawn
something spooked one of the brutosaurs!
dense plover
skybox is the same
sullen dawn
must be n'zoth
dense plover
ok
so the cinematic SEEMS lame
but remember who this is
this isnt yogg or cthun
nzoth is a schemer
uncut vault
its just weird that somehow 8.2 gave us basically
no actual story progression
besides 'hey thrall isback"
ionic terrace
😃
dense plover
why would he show himself to the champions who almost killed his champion?
uncut vault
azshara dying doesnt matter, because she's rezzed
dense plover
she wasnt rezzed
uncut vault
baine just gets freed with no current ramifications
normal lark
dense plover
she didnt die
raven folio
All what shall be open ?
smoky mural
she did die
uncut vault
she drops to the ground
smoky mural
and was rezed
uncut vault
and when nzoth grabs her, she gasps back to life
dense plover
yeah, unconscious, not dead
sullen dawn
she wasnt dead
dense plover
theyre checking with magni now
ionic terrace
n'zoth yeeted her
dense plover
nothing - also apparently squishei didnt have the raid quest
ionic terrace
oof
dense plover
so that might be why nothing changed
sullen dawn
surely one of his guildies does?>
sharp gulch
nobbel is great
raven folio
Reminds of the wod ending
dense plover
except theres a whole patch still
and two inbetween patches
and possibly mythic stuff
ionic terrace
Azshara is free!
dense plover
and something might actually happen if you turn in the quest
smoky mural
just a reminder they only have 1 major patch and a minor patch to rap this shit up
raven folio
Has 8.3 been confirmed?
languid yoke
^
dense plover
they said they are sticking to the 3 patch model
raven folio
To be fair they say alot of things
dense plover
no
round lake
You're left with more questions and no answers
smoky mural
8.3.5 will not answer the questions it will just set up next exp
smoky mural
yes
dense plover
like in legion
smoky mural
maybe
uncut lintel
o
dense plover
2 months or so for 8.2.5
uncut lintel
;)) cmere wolf models
uncut lintel
i see
dense plover
then 3 or so after that will be 8.3.5
uncut lintel
Ooo
smoky mural
8.3.5 will just setup next exp
uncut lintel
i wonder what it will be
oak wing
@sharp gulch Nobbel does great content, I just dislike the way he speaks. It's very pretentious sounding to me.
storm marsh
So dissappointed. According to MrGM there is an announcement from Blizzard tomorrow. Hopefully something more exciting than this cinematic
unborn glacier
Oooh, cinematic? C:
Somebody already cleared heroic and recorded the new cinematic?
ionic terrace
Normal
gilded jay
yes
dense plover
i expect the announcement from blizz to be a followup cinematic
gilded jay
the new cinmatic sucks ass
indigo laurel
limber mural
basically azshara gets rezzed and Gul'danned
zealous basalt
gods
limber mural
or so it seems
smoky mural
@storm marsh where did he say that
dense plover
a bunch of different people have said blizz called them in to show them something thats gonna be announced tomorrow
dense plover
she doesnt die - she falls unconscious
zealous basalt
nzoth resses her again and
smoky mural
she did and then got rezzed
zealous basalt
takes her somewhere
storm marsh
He has been sayinfg that on his streams but never said what was it about and today he said it will be tomorrow @smoky mural
languid yoke
maybe we do get 8.2.5 ptr tomorrow 😍
dense plover
probably not
languid yoke
I can dream :(
dense plover
probably 4th week of lfr
dense plover
3rd week - there are 3 wings
storm marsh
I'd like ion to announce 8.2.5 features tomorrow
languid yoke
ptr has always been released max. 4 weeks after a live patch (in Legion and bfa)
unborn glacier
@ionic terrace Whaaa?! Why would they give the cinematic to a normal clear. Lame.
dense plover
because they always have?
zealous basalt
They always do
indigo laurel
Why wouldn't they? 0o
zealous basalt
unless that was a /s
dense plover
they stopped doing mythic cinematics after the first raid in warlords
unborn glacier
I don't know what you guys are talking about. That cinematic is fucking dope.
zealous basalt
Methinks is a good cliffhanger
tropic trail
I liked it too
sharp gulch
i liked it as well
then again i have azshara and nzoth bias so my opinion doesnt really count here 
tropic trail
confirmed that Nzoth is the end boss, if the devs didnt lied about that "at the end of the azshara raid we will know exactly who the last boss of bfa is"
dense plover
but i dont think theyve made a model yet
zealous basalt
again
unborn glacier
@dense plover The titan cinematic in antorus was tied to heroic/mythic.
dense plover
uh, no it wasnt
foggy abyss
Kil Jaedan has a bad end on my opinion but it was pointing a direction when Illidan bought Argus to Azeroth
Or Azeroth to Argus
dense plover
he opened a portal
foggy abyss
yeha
dense plover
it wasnt disappointing - it was cool as hell
dense plover
this is disappointing because theres nothing after
foggy abyss
it was great
dense plover
no followup, no consequences
foggy abyss
I loved KJ's cinematic
dense plover
something so big, and nothing happens
foggy abyss
Indeed
sharp gulch
i feel like an old god being released is a pretty big thing
foggy abyss
When i killed KJ on normal i knew we were going on Argus i atleast had an idea
dense plover
so either ptr is dropping tomorrow, new cutscene, or people are gonna be PISSED
indigo laurel
To be honest, i think the storyline of this patch-cycle sounds relatively good on paper. But the execution is kinda falling flat.
foggy abyss
ATM it feels like the Devs just released that and are thinking about 8.3 along
unborn glacier
There will likely be a new quest next week for all those who cleared the raid
zealous basalt
a post raid questline?
unborn glacier
Possibly
unborn glacier
@foggy abyss they are speculating, my dude
zealous basalt
they be noobs
foggy abyss
As i thought, i don't expect them to edit or make a new cinematic ngl
zealous basalt
HAH
did you forget old soldier and those cgi cinematics that they threw out of nowhere
uncut vault
@sharp gulch it should be a big deal
but all we get is lorthemar with half of a line about it
before they start talking about how mean sylvanas is
zealous basalt
i thinkt their priorities are messed up
sharp gulch
i feel like theres more behind it
it was sylvanas who sent them into that trap after all wasnt it
sharp gulch
yea they should have
but maybe the quest is bugged since the encounter was bugged as well?
zealous basalt
was it?
sharp gulch
atleast the stream i watched was
she didnt do anything past like 40-35%
if they can manage to mess up almost half a boss fight they probably could have messed up a single quest too
languid yoke
oh we know what the quest says now?
zealous basalt
what if they hacked
sharp gulch
i doubt they did
foggy abyss
I am seriously disapointed ngl
Cinematics are the only reasons i still play this game actively, and they just fucked one up
foggy abyss
Azshara deserved a good death
foggy abyss
She is now free to ruin
foggy abyss
^
zealous basalt
Nah
Idon't think N'zoth is going to torture her
she did her part
and now he is free
it was a win win for both
zealous basalt
you cant ruin something that is already ruined from start though
foggy abyss
It happened to Thrall, to Saurfang, to Sylvanas, to Garrosh
tropic trail
So this cinematic should also confirm now the quote from the eye of the corruptor: "The Queen threatens the King. There is no way to win" "Kill her" "Kill her!" is about Sylvanas and Anduin
since it cant be Azshara and Nzoth anymore
smoky mural
unborn glacier
@meager zodiac ummm... Cho'gall? He literally freed Cthun xD
burnt trout
plain vigil
Why would the dagger bring the alliance and horde to Aszhara if it wasn't working for N'zoth...
Why would N'zoth want to kill the person he's controlling
zealous basalt
2 many questions unaswered
flint meteor
the next patch will be something like 8.2.5 or 8.3
dense plover
And that’s where we can expect lots of answers
I wouldn’t be surprised if they pushed it off for 8.2.5 because they wanted to make sure Naz, mechagon, and essences were good
zealous basalt
inb4 backdoor raid
uncut vault
Azshara has really interesting dialogue right before her fight
When we exit Zaqul’s realms, we’re just there with thalyssra and Shandris, Lor’themar and Jaina are gone
Azshara commends us on keeping our minds and defeating him
And says that the “human novice and the pale elf with the sword were not so fortunate”
And then Jaina and Lor’themar are already at Azsharas platform
uncut vault
Potentially yes
uncut vault
zealous basalt
Can we get mechanized now
plain vigil
Hmmmm.... Almost like they're hinting factions going byebye... Maybe Gazlowe new racial leader?
languid yoke
Gazlowe overthrowing Gallywix? I'd be up for that
when did we have the last time a goblin sided with a maniac warchief, hmm....
lone marten
Gazlowe best gobby
languid yoke
I wouldn't mind at all if Gallywix was an obstacle on the way of removing Sylvanas
flint meteor
is ion giving some interwiew today or smh?
indigo laurel
Gallywix is an opportunist. He always sides with whoever seems to be in power
languid yoke
we don't know what blizz has planned for today
just some streamers mentioning there's gonna be something
plain vigil
The things is Gallywix has been the only racial leader that doesn't optionally hate their racial champion. It just doesn't work. Especially when you're trying to not make the horde races the bad guys every xpac
uncut vault
this is the opening dungeon dialogue for horde and alliance, no overspark
If I'm honest, there's way more signs for horde mechagnomes at this point
unborn glacier
I think these streamers are merely speculating that blizz has something planned for today
plain vigil
Porter that won't happen... That'd be like giving alliance trolls or tauren
Unless you really think Vulpera are going alliance
tranquil steeple
Besides mechagnomes having "gnome" in their name, afaik there's no previous relation between them and the Alliance, same as with the Horde. So it could go either way.
And until Blizz says anything, we'll all just be speculating.
But sure, one faction may get more hints than the other, yet that doesn't fully announce they're going with the Alliance, or the Horde, until official announcement.
plain vigil
I mean if Vulpera go horde (which they won't go alliance) then mechagnomes are going alliance... There's no other alliance counterpart that is as develope
uncut vault
that didnt stop void elves
horde mechagnomes is honestly just a healthier option too
they mesh better with goblins, and dont become gnomes but better on the alliance
strange falcon
And we arent even considering the chancw that mechagnomes could NOT be rhe alliance counterpart for this set
languid yoke
what else would it be?
there's no signs of any development on any AR for alliance right now
tropic trail
you can have vulperas
tranquil steeple
Isn't... that also the case with AR for Horde? I mean people speculate Vulpera but it's not confirmed.
languid yoke
it's more developed, though
tranquil steeple
Just because it's developed doesn't instantly mean it's confirmed to be an allied race.
languid yoke
no one said it was confirmed
just saying there's way more signs about a future horde AR than alliance, even tho mechagnomes should be
since mechagnomes are as developed as vulpera
but not story-wise
tranquil steeple
I mean, if we ignore how a lot of Mechagnomes augmentations screw up wearing gear, sure.
strange falcon
Yea,they still have to figure out how to put gear on half of their body
uncut vault
I agree, that still is the biggest step towards them ever being playable
I was more just discussing that if they do fix that issue, they've got as many pointers towards horde as nightborne had
terse patrol
It’s just weird how Gazlowe is way more important than Overspark in Mechagon.
(Also shown as more competent and polite too.)
plain vigil
I personally think they're doing this on purpose... They're moving towards 3d assets on every armor set, and those appear on Junker Gnomes. I think this is setup for Naga. "Well if Gnomes can have no armor on limbs then so can Naga (except for 3d assets)
strange falcon
The problem with naga goes much much deeper than just "they can equip all armor but its stretched out" which is already a better situation than not beinf able to equip them at all like mechas
uncut vault
Well, naga got advancements this patch anyways, they can now wear helms properly, as well as belts being situated in the right place, and robes being 3d
they can wear much more armor than mechagnomes
the only item that is currently an issue for them is boots
terse patrol
And if mechagnomes are likely, that means naga are just as imo.
Maybe not imminently, but ye
languid yoke
naga don't really have a lore reason to join us as long as azshara is around
unless, for some reason, they go "oh shit we don't want N'zshara to be our queen! Let's kill her and be frends with those landwalkers"
terse patrol
Some are suspecting Azshara may turn on N’zoth now that N’zoth is free. She didn’t seem very enthused by being dragged away.
terse patrol
Because the power dynamic is reversed now.
plain vigil
Well.... We're probably going to finish her off next Xpac. As for Naga issues besides armor and lore that can be easily added to, the only thing I would thinks is an issue is mounting which could easily be tackled like Worgen. With a "civilian illusion"
inner copper
Side saddle
tropic trail
I dont see how Azshara could now turn on Nzoth, he is free and is at full power. I dont think she could even if she wanted
inner copper
For mounting, just do it like the well dressed ladies of old
tropic trail
also, I think its likely that Azshara could die in 8.3 , in the Nzoth raid
similiar to Kael thas
terse patrol
Lame.
Blizzard should learn that killing their major figures off in raids isn’t always the best option.
“but we need bosses reee”
plain vigil
I think her face was more her realizing she'll never escape his deal...
ruby prawn
Wasnt she supposed to rule with him in the deal?
flint meteor
wasnt it from the shock
upper remnant
or just coming back to life like anyone
flint meteor
waking up from unconscious
ruby prawn
Well, she is not dead yet
tropic trail
She deserves her own expansion, I agree
plain vigil
Tiel she's smart. She should have known that he wouldn't keep his side of the deal. You can see it in her face in warbringers
ruby prawn
Did nzoth have any power over her while he was imprisoned?
terse patrol
Not really, as far as we know.
Still wonder wtf they’re doing with the Black Blade.
ruby prawn
Why was Nathanos hiding in that spot in Nazjatar? I'm talking about the spot he is staying at before you start the "rescue baine" questline
I don't remember getting an explanation in-game
mystic heart
ah might be
ruby prawn
Felt weird seeing him there
wise crest
Again. They'd obviously get a model update if they were to become playable.
And tbh goblin fans deserve an AR they want just as much as every other race has gotten an AR counterpart so far
smoky mural
and they are vulpira
terse patrol
I just want neutral goblins.
wise crest
Neutral goblins is unlikely