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#beta-ptr-spoilers
tropic trail
pulsar iris
but still weird how everything she does leads us into azshara's hands and all
uncut vault
Nazjatar
pulsar iris
where*
uncut vault
from lorthemar
pulsar iris
oh ok
daring dune
we cant say to nathanos about lorthemar?
foggy abyss
Jesus christ
uncut vault
its not currently working, no
foggy abyss
the mobs in this scenario have a fuck ton of HP
uncut vault
I reported it, I recommend you do too
dense plover
new world boss
tulip sun
Why do you reccomend that porter?
dense plover
flight mobs are so fast
also the zone is smaller than suramar but its dense and vertical
theres like biomes above and below the same area in a lot of places
uncut vault
cause I want it to get fixed asap?
tulip sun
May I ask what went wrong? o.o
uncut vault
you cant talk to nathanos to report in
he either doesnt have it in his zuldazar NPC, or his nazjatar NPC doesnt exist yet
dense plover
it is the first nazjatar build
dense plover
look who is here
daring dune
"Nagaaa, horrible creatures"
dense plover
uh oh
audio glitches if another person shows up
im off for the night
too tired
very cool so far
WQ rewards need work
tulip sun
The dialoguge is amazing
She goes
"I am the first arcanist of suramar, and you are NOT my Queen!"
I think that is the place
tulip sun
It gives the illusion the city goes on and on
gilded forge
Baine's quest starts in harbor, right ?
uncut vault
No, Nazjatar
signal bone
Am I the only one who thinks Nazjatar is really dissappointing from a looks / aesthetics perspective?
Just seems like a good opportunity creatively and yet we got a recolored Argus with McRee / Aszuna aesthetics
gilded forge
thanks, Port
gilded forge
alright, where is the port to Nazjatar in Boralus ?
uncut vault
monkey above the portal room
gilded forge
thanks
lilac tiger
Where can I get a quest in Nazjhatar?
tropic trail
I mean... I don’t understand why a lot of people are disappointed with Nazjatar... it’s a city that was already made into rubble left under the ocean. Like, for a city that’s been under there for so long it looks great. How it looked in warbringer is before >_>
It looks exactly how a city should look taken over by the ocean. Art work is amazing.
@serene marsh sorry for the tag but was reading the new wowhead post about the broadcast text highlights and this is actually from the Baine Scenario pretty sure..
uncut vault
it is
serene marsh
strange falcon
@signal bone as a guy above me said,It looks exactly as It should,for a city that has been buried under the corroding Waters of the Deep Sea for 10k years+,It should be full of ruins(which It Is).
If you wanted a suramar 2.0 of sorts from an architecture standpoint,i dont think that was the artists point when making it.
And "but couldnt they rebuild It" argument,they did,in fact azshara's eternal palace Is 100% Naga architecture and beautiful,while the rest of the city got ignored and remained in ruins
uncut vault
while I like it, I think that, personally, theres too many rocky areas with nothing other than seaweed and rocks
its the center of naga civilization, a third of the zone really shouldnt be 10k year old ruins
with the other third being a rocky mess with the occasional building or fortification
tropic trail
Idk I feel like if it didn’t look like that it wouldn’t really fit an ocean them
I’m glad it’s not like Vasjir that place was aids it gave me so much anxiety
strange falcon
Being a druid in vash'jr pogchamp
gilded forge
tropic trail
Honestly the sea horse mounts that can’t fly is the worse part about this place to me. Seems useless, water mounts are pretty lame to use in wow when you can walk on water and you get a swim spd buff from doing quests around zone
Damn, that guy looks so cool. They really worked on the details this expansion
Is his sword suppose to be like that though? Lmfao.
strange falcon
The previous seahorse mount didnt fly what made you think otherwise
Especially when It drops in a previously underwater zone
Evolution doesnt work that fast dude
tropic trail
Well the worm flies so I figured
tropic trail
Still don’t see how the worm could fly but that can’t but it’s fine. I personally just think it’s a bit lame. Still collecting the mount as fodder though. ^^
terse patrol
Does Hunter Akana have a male model?
Also
Did they really retcon the reason why Suramar sealed themselves away already?
“We sealed it to protect the Pillars from Azshara.”
Oh, who knew all the Pillars we had to find were in Suramar all along?
hollow blaze
@terse patrol where is this retcon?
I'm really curious right now as that'd be a retcon that makes exactly 0 sense 
trim narwhal
Its not a retcon. Its just a biased view from a character.
This is the same thing in Bod with the biased narrative. People should stop saying its a retcon every time there is some dialouge.
tulip sun
Varying perspectives
uncut vault
It’s not really a biased perspective when Thalyssra is the one who gave us the original perspective
dense plover
Or, here me out, it could be both. Remember, the arcanist we killed in the raid was an expert with time magic
Elisande
tulip sun
It's not a retcon at all
meager zodiac
It is, a retcon to their orginal intentions and motivations , the pillars were mostly left outside the shield after they sealed the second portal and they weren’t heroic
They just wanted to save themselves, this is probably either a retcon or thalyssra twisting facts to make herself look better
vestal wing
I'm inclined to believe the latter.
tulip sun
Or hear me out. Not everyone had the same selfish motivations as Elisande.
What she says is technically factual.
About closing the Portland saving the rebellion and azeroth
upper remnant
@tulip sun No, she speaks about sealing Suramar not closing the portal and they had only one pillar at that time whereas she speaks about them in plural form. I like her but since she is speaking to Shandris who is a nelf who fought directly against the Legion during th WotA and must be bitter about nb, I think she is just trying to make her look better.
tulip sun
In chronicles it is confirmed they at a time had them all
What we don't have detailed is how they lost them
uncut vault
They did not have them all when they bubbled off the city
Which is what Thalyssra says here
With specific acknowledgment of the tidestone, which we know with 100% certainty they did not have, because it was already destroyed by Azshara
tulip sun
The PIllars of Creation were stored in a vault in Suramar: https://i.imgur.com/nrFINcW.png
upper remnant
@tulip sun Yes but they lost them between closing the portal and sealing the city
uncut vault
They were not stored in suramar when they sealed off the city
tulip sun
What is the exact quote?
uncut vault
Thalyssra is now saying they were
tulip sun
I will have to relisten once off work
upper remnant
"we sealed off suramar to keep of the pillars of creations free from Azshara's grasp"
uncut vault
Thalyssra: Shandris. We sealed off Suramar to keep the Pillars of Creation free from Azshara's grasp. The power she holds with just the Tidestone...
Shandris: I know. So long as it remains in her clutches, we have little hope of victory.
meager zodiac
It’s at worst a retcon and st best thalyssra manipulating the facts to make herself and the nightborne look better
uncut vault
The problem is, why is she doing that now
And not in the cinematic in which she first tells us that
upper remnant
I think it is because of Shandris
meager zodiac
Yeah, it goes agaist legion lore
terse patrol
“lol we fought the legion while the dumb night elves hid in their trees”
meager zodiac
Wich is another lie they were not brave or helped the rebellion they did it to save themselves
upper remnant
It is just elves being elves
tulip sun
It isn't a major retcon. They'd lost them after securing the bubble rather than before
They exile people do stuff can go out supposedly
upper remnant
@tulip sun That makes them look stupid then as they can't keep powerful artefacts in a almost 99% closed city.
jovial coral
What happened to that xalatath after all anyway
It's out of the dagger thing l remember that.
What's the status on the heart of Azeroth?
Kul tiras, what's going on there these days of bfa old and new
upper remnant
Does someone knows how one might datamined/found broadcast text? Some people have shared "datamined" dialogue from Tyrande but since it is nowhere on wowhead I guess it was fake but it could be interesting to verify myself.
lilac cairn
This is a screenshot i took of Nazjatar City.
tropic trail
The art work is so beautiful
misty blaze
i wanna see more yrel in story lore
lilac cairn
Agreed, and the Naga are my life-long number one favorite race in the Warcraft Franchise.
I just love everything about them.
unborn glacier
@misty blaze Well, she's now Alt Draenor Hitler
lilac cairn
Lol XD
terse patrol
I wonder if we're getting more of a war campaign than this for 8.2
I don't want the Alliance war campaign to just be some Horde copy.
uncut vault
its already been that
my guess is. 8.2.5 will come closer to 8.2 than 8.1.5 did to 8.1, due to not having a raid
terse patrol
uncut vault
its shaping up to be a primarily story based patch, with the main exception we know of being worgos and gobbos
unborn glacier
Question. I want to install the PTR client, but I do not have the dropdown menu on my battle.net ap
Anyone in here have any issues before with getting the PTR Client?
uncut vault
you need to sign up for it on the site
unborn glacier
Does copying my character remove it from live?
sour burrow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419964508447047690/573617078997614592/image0-1.jpg
I find this interesting. No, it's not quite PTR, it's live, but it's still interesting in terms of speculation. :P
foggy abyss
Ho< is it speculation exactly ?
sour burrow
Interesting in terms of speculation in that Vorrik and Sethraliss are being a little... mmm, tense. The encounter wasn't as friendly as people predicted the quest would be.
sour burrow
I mean, you're welcome to see it that way, but the fact that he's short tempered at all is kind of an interesting reaction. And yeah, he didn't really calm down much. :P
Even more strange when the quest talks about "Friends" and "Peace".
I heard dat dere are some sethrak who still want to be friends, and dat dey have a loa who wants peace more dan anything!
Can you take me to meet de sethrak and deir loa? I want to meet dem for myself!```@uncut vault Hows that scene end anyways? With Vorrik.
sour burrow
About to personally finish it myself. The previous image was from the VHC.
uncut vault
not mine, but I assume its a quest to visit the terrace
orphan tries to steal the keys
terse patrol
gib alliance sethrak
uncut vault
vorrik gets pissed
terse patrol
when some snot nosed kid ruins sethrak and horde friendship 8)
sour burrow
Note: Keys with no known practical current function with the seal already being broken. Heh.
.... XD
Hey Honk, do you remember the doomsaying that was being spouted by a certain someone from the quest text on this particular event?
Funny how much it defied the expectations set by the initial quest dialogue.
It's just Vorrik's Keystone, apparently. Heh.
*shrug* :P
sour burrow
Not sure what it's for. Confusing new stuff, haha. Looking forward to exploring it when it launches, but keeping it a surprise overall.
uncut vault
dungeon, Id guess?
dark prairie
Can anyone confirm they raised the repair costs?
royal orchid
tested it on my paladin, 50% damaged, 299g on live and 299g on PTR
more precisely 299g 98s 13c on live and 299g 98s 13c on PTR. No change at repair costs
dark prairie
Interesting...I had approx. ~25% damage on PTR and paid around 500g, I used gear from the PTR merchant, could that have affected the price?
I also had yellow-damaged pants (the rest of the gear wasn't colored yet) and paid around ~1k gold...which made me wonder whether they increased the cost...
tranquil steeple
additionally, based on what I've noticed is that the repair cost is equal to an item's sell price (so fully broken repair cost is the same as fully repaired's sell cost)
though I doubt any ptr items would have such ridiculous buy or sell prices to cost ~1k to repair
vocal sparrow
hooo boy. There are some issues with the Shandis quest chain. It's gonna need some tweeks
Is Janus her freeind or her brother and if he's her brother who's the older sibling
dense plover
Post a forum thread
whole cedar
I think shandris questline is fine because they were young at the time
hasty elbow
Are Zin-Azshari ruins in Nazjatar a Highborne quarter mentioned in WotA trilogy? I know there is an area called Highborne estates but outside of that area seems to be non-highborne zone, or they just retconned about those demons destroyed most of Zin-Azshari early in WotA?
meager zodiac
thalyssra exists
that is already enough retcons, most of the books are not reliable
suramar shouldnt exist, so those books are realy not worth anything anymore
meager zodiac
its true tho, suramar was the stage of the rebelion and was left in ruins
meager zodiac
yeah, retcon:the race
strange falcon
dark prairie
Well, from what I've seen so far, Nazjatar looks awful-lot like Argus...it feels a little like some of the assets they used in building the city are/were recycled, so wouldn't exactly say they are carrying the entire expansion...
lone marten
They are not gonna create entirely new rock assets just for the sake of different patches, give them a break forgods sake
strange falcon
blizzard : reuses rock assets that are just background/scenery and not relevant in any way
players: this area looks like recycled garbage,wtf blizz,being lazy AF again?
gotta love the players amirite
lone marten
Yeah aha
hasty elbow
I don't mind they use recycled asset since the city ruins area is dated back to the same period as Azsuna.(also submerged for 10k years and got crushed by the tidal wave)
and i think the Nightborne also modified their city to look more luxurious.
dark prairie
Not just the rock assets, the structures themselves look a lot like they do in Azsuna, while it makes sense for it to look similar as stated above, they could've done a better job making it seem a little more unique (adding glowing corals and such around the structures to brighten it up and make it seem a little more unique and alive) but instead it feels a lot more like a copy-paste job...also the stairs in some places are the same ones as in Argus.
strange falcon
also,wow team is universally known as the team that recycles everything if they can
and thats not even new
since vanilla they've been recycling and copy pasting
dark prairie
Is that supposed to make it better?
strange falcon
not really,just that it's something they've always done
for a glaring example,the lord marrowgar model from ICC has been reused like 20+ times
even to make new bosses(1st boss black rook hold)
dark prairie
Well, from a personal perspective, I'd think they would at least try to "make up" for a mediocre (At best) expansion (which is again, my personal opinion...but I do know many people believe so as well), and create something a little more original or at least better looking/feeling than what can be found on the PTR at the moment
lone marten
Its a lot of work making whole new models tho
strange falcon
first,we dont really know how much it takes to develop an entire zone,second they are under very severe time constraints since the entire company is bleeding heavily(especially wow),and also if everything required new models,we would get patches much slower than they are currently coming out
which isnt very fast either
dark prairie
That's true, but still, if they require more manpower, based on the fact that they had such a great year (financially), they could hire more artists, especially since there simply wasn't much of anything in this expansion thus far.
I am not saying its not a lot of work, but I am saying that if more work is required, it is easily achievable, and what I am questioning isn't the hardship of their work but their entire philosophy and approach towards creating this specific zone.
strange falcon
well,you also have to remember that we've heard for a few years that "upper management" has threatened them,and has forced them to "Cut costs" for a long time now
so i bet the best hypothetical situation is that the art team and whatever else is there
is trying to do the best they can with what they got
they even fired 800 QA people just so they could have higher profits in the next quarter
dark prairie
They fired people because of restructuring, which is not uncommon in any type of company, and especially in a large one like Blizzard. I seriously doubt that something that as you said before was done for ages is related NOW to the "upper management" and the "Costs Cutting", especially after they said that more money goes to development, so it should be the other way around if anything. I believe that they just do what they always do, and that's just the end result...
strange falcon
The discrepancy here Is that "they fired them for restructuring" -->some time later after the quarter financial report, Blizzard are hiring for the same spots and positions they fired
Certainly sounds suspicious
dark prairie
Well, I don't think they ever stopped hiring, they might as well just be filling in more positions, since more people left, there are many things that you and I and anyone else simply can't know so all this is is mere speculation on our end; on the other hand, what we CAN know for sure is what we see in front of us (the game), and that is what we see, that they are recycling a lot of assets to create a new zone, and even then they do not put any effort into making it seem unique and well "special" in any way...
I am not saying they should make humongous new structures, but brightening up the place with a little sea life is really too much to expect?
misty halo
They fired CS and other "periphery" roles and were hiring developers after losing some too. But not sure how that relates to the other games they have in the pipe. Did they move people off wow or more on?
terse patrol
To be honest, it’s likely they’re focusing their resources on the next expansion. Or on 8.3
unreal minnow
Do they reset characters on ptr?
unreal minnow
Thank you. I do play retail but kinda done alot of things on Mechagon and i will be sad 😄
indigo laurel
So, will we get some explanation/justification for the PvP stuff in Nazjatar when the story seems to focus on exactly not doing stuff like that there
night swift
Possibly but it could also just be there like how legion pvp was
Not all the pvp stuff needs to have story
dense plover
i absolutely hate that engine of ceaseless progress is pvp
i love that effect
a lot
but fuck pvp
zealous basalt
What about the focusing iris?
o
what is this thing
new smaller traits?
When was this added?
zealous basalt
Perseverance traits on the heart
dense plover
screenshot?
uncut vault
They’ve existed, we just actually need to activate them now
dense plover
could someone explain?
uncut vault
I’m assuming they’re talking about the small stamina traits in between the major and minor ones
sour burrow
From the start o.o
uncut vault
Very big
zealous basalt
i like this new toy
median monolith
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/bks5zs/how_to_get_in_nazjatars_out_of_bounds_area_on_the/ Video of how to get out of bounds in Nazjatar
median monolith
broken roost
vivid harness
Nice screenshot i got by doing that guy's guide
sour burrow
Pretty.
unreal minnow
Nazjatar is beautiful ❤
limber mural
On behalf of my mother - is there any sign of some use for service medals, or any kind of currency converter?
lone marten
There are vendors in boralus and dazar'alor that sell mounts and other items
strange falcon
You can also use service medals for heirlooms and exp pots
strange falcon
I dont think they're adding more stuff
median monolith
ayy nice @vivid harness
dense plover
@limber mural they might add new stuff once the heroic warfront is added, but that’s the only way they would
meager zodiac
is it just me, or is nazjatar story content extremely short and bare?
strange falcon
i havent been on the ptr
dense plover
its sorta short
but a lot of the character stories arent in
right now its literally just the war campaign
no unshackled story really
no side quests
WQs are rough still
its barely implemented
what they are looking for is feedback on the war story, and feedback on the zone and the bodyguards
meager zodiac
i think the story leading to the raid is way too short and way too simple
especialy how basic getting the javalins is and then making use of them
smoky mural
we might get the teir 3 black horde armour and grey one for the heroic warfront
dense plover
well there are missing cutscenes
theres probably some rep gating and side quests too
this is the first implementation
and remember, this is a patch, not an expac
argus was pretty straight forward too
meager zodiac
argus was pretty straight forward, but it had some build up, we didnt get the stones as quickly as we got the javalin
ionic terrace
Has anyone ranked up a bodyguard yet?
I feel like the "rep" is once a day from the bounty board but idk
uncut vault
I can’t imagine it can be gated all that much, seeing as the raid comes out two to three weeks after the patch
whole cedar
it makes sense
week 1 - up to ashvane
week 2 - gathering the weapons
week 3 - assault on tidal conflux - raid opens
tropic trail
guys i haven't played PTR, is baine ok
vestal wing
I think he barely survived
zealous basalt
🅱 aine is dead
tropic trail
don't play with my emotions like this i love that stupid cow
if baine dies i die
does anyone know if we officially get to tell sylvanas to piss off in this patch
no
dammit
vestal wing
not yet
tropic trail
I want that Baine steak
vestal wing
oof
tropic trail
o u c h
right after she kills him she can go
but before I need those free proteins
baine: dies
heldenmaid: wheres my fork
vestal wing
lol
indigo laurel
In light of the fact we meet Baine in the Tauren heritage quest later, I guess its save to say he survives
vestal wing
the horde is already getting quite a beating this expack with their leaders ... losing bain would do too much damage to the horde's identity at this point
zealous basalt
What does identify Horde as Horde nowadays besides being green?
vestal wing
indigo laurel
mutters something about Jaina not even getting a scratch from being the final encounter of a raid
Sometimes we need to groom our pet peeves
zealous basalt
now with Thrall and Saurfang back feels that the true meaning of Horde is going to be put on a big debate
vestal wing
One does not simply get Jaina!
uncut vault
it doesnt help that saurfangs first action back in orgrimmar is murdering an unsuspecting guard
indigo laurel
I don't really feel both of the sides in this debate agreeable. Sylvie is...well, you know. And Saurfangs group feel increasingly hypcrital about stuff
uncut vault
in the faction advertised about faction pride, they somehow managed to not only make both factions feel bad about being their faction
but also both factions within one of the factions
indigo laurel
I mean, the "rebels" claim that Sylvannas is unfit because what she does is dishonorable and she mostly does it by a "the end justifies the means"
On the other hand, they mostly use subterfuge, sneaking and some "the enemy of the enmy is my friend" to make their side work and then go "well, we don't have a choice if we want to win"
terse patrol
Mfw the Alliance are the ones who just freeze two of the initial guards in Orgrimmar lol @uncut vault
indigo laurel
it's a bit iffy
Also, a good chunk of the guys you fight against (that are not Sylvannas personal guards) are probably mostly just guards doing their job.
uncut vault
you know its gone wrong when saurfang is the one killing orcs, not the warchief hes fighting against
honor, btw
terse patrol
Tbh orcish honor never existed.
It’s the biggest copout term ever for Orcs.
Thrall talks about honor but he has you assassinate numerous people throughout vanilla.
uncut vault
its ironic that Lenara is more honorable in this questline than them. Duels you one on one when requested, respects your win, lets you inspect her troops
tropic trail
i love saurfang the most in the expac mainly because when you save him from sylvanas' rangers he rewards you by punching you in the face
zealous basalt
Thrall is too swole
uncut vault
oh I lvoe saurfangs ridiculousness this xpac too
the saurfang smash kill at the beginning of this questline is hilarious
ionic terrace
I like how jaina just melees at the end of the nazjatar questline
uncut vault
plus the "you werent supposed to come here. let me punch you and make sure sylvanas knows you disobeyed her and came here"
ionic terrace
ik, not in yet but still funny
zealous basalt
probably ran out of mana
terse patrol
@uncut vault also I swear they keep pushing back this damn Scarlet quest
ionic terrace
maybe it got canned 
ionic terrace
oh weird then
uncut vault
NEW Memento of the Dark Rangers
Description: Old hatred take a new form within the Scarlet Halls.
Difficulty: 1-player Normal Scenario
OrderIndex: 11
terse patrol
reee
@uncut vault I hope this eventually leads to Calia raising the Scarlets as her personal army.
uncut vault
well, I'd say that this patch really has to be the one this scenario has to come out in
cause if calia is appearing in BfA, it'll be in 8.2.5, its shaping up to be all about the faction war
unborn glacier
limber mural
incidentally re: saurfang murdering an unsuspecting guard
I'm pretty sure he leaps on the guy after he says 'wait it's saurfang'
i think that qualifies as suspecting
uncut vault
he's mid-air as he says it
unborn glacier
How about lets not forget Saurfang was the one to come up with using rogues in the War of Thrones, to kill unsuspecting sentinels, guards and even civilians well before the war even started
Saurfangs honor is about as solid as a wet tissue
zealous basalt
How much it would cost to change the Skybox ?
limber mural
so basically the fact that this inconspicuous orc can launch himself 30ft in any given direction from a standing start clued him in that it was saurfang
sadly too late
round lake
soooooo how is this not MoP 2.0
inner copper
¯_(ツ)_/¯
night swift
"cause blizzard said so so it must be true"
runic verge
vestal wing
It's a crafting reagent - but a neat use effect too...
ionic terrace
Should I feel bad?
ionic terrace
Apparently he's a mix between Marks and Surv hunter here, lol
smoky mural
nah you should kill him again
inner copper
waaaait
vestal wing
Specialisations are mainly an invention for the game.
A standard mage would lore wise be able to use arcane as well as frost and fire magic.
Same for most classes.
ionic terrace
No.
inner copper
or where is he killable
ionic terrace
At the horde base in Najzatar
inner copper
oh
ionic terrace
I imagine he will be marked as unattackable though
night swift
Watch him not and count for the achievement for killing all the faction leaders
misty blaze
Jaina she's my favorite female human lore character who wouldn't like her
zealous basalt
hordes and people that think she is a mary zue
tropic trail
I dont like her
but she is a good written character (for the Warcraft universe) - but I still hate her
tropic trail
I hated her since WC3 . when she leaved Arthas I knew she is a bitch
night swift
You mean when Arthas was gonna purge Strathholme
night swift
And was killing people
tropic trail
hell yes
night swift
Big thonk
ember tundra
better to kill them when they're weak instead of waiting for a powerful scourge
Arthas's decision was 100% justified
unborn glacier
^
hasty elbow
hmmm didn't know there is other world boss in Nazjatar.
apart from that old god-ish boss in the city ruins.
ionic terrace
Waiting for shutdown
dense plover
might not happen but idk
unreal minnow
Wen shutdown will be?
dense plover
we dont know if there will be one
mystic heart
663 mb
zealous basalt
Probably more languages?
mystic heart
idk
ionic terrace
Music please
dense plover
ill checkj
ionic terrace
You sure?
mystic heart
yea
ionic terrace
there's new files added
mystic heart
yea but it's 3 kb
dense plover
yeah dont know type yet
mystic heart
and no music
ionic terrace
oof
mystic heart
and no other languages 😦
night swift
Beguiling sounds kinda underwhelming
zealous basalt
wow
terse patrol
No new broadcast text?
uncut vault
its only been like 10 minutes lol
zealous basalt
nO nEw DatA
terse patrol
uncut vault
Reality Shift: Create an Azerite beacon at a target location. After 3 sec, the Heart of Azeroth will relocate you to this beacon and deal 2229 Fire damage to all nearby enemies.
ionic terrace
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honstly, they should make a hard to make/rare version of that
but have its use be any zone
ionic terrace
Agree
ionic terrace
Lol
ionic terrace
@whole cedar looks like they added epic items to the murloc traders if you have the cape
whole cedar
will check in a min, doing some work rq
ionic terrace
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does it require a cape?
last build, I just found them and brought them in
did the little mission and have one of the epics
whole cedar
the cloak mentions having more items on the murloc vendors, there were no new items last build
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no so thats what Im asking, is there stuff from them that requires a cape beyond the basic few epics from last build?
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they seriously improved the look of the water wall this build
whole cedar
alliance ones are still timed
dense plover
Probably mid change
pulsar iris
female mechagnome dance
strange falcon
ya
pulsar iris
i'm afraid of they really being allied races
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wait until they can use more than four pieces of armor before being worried
pulsar iris
that is not even a problem i think porter
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not being able to use 5/9 pieces of armor fully is a problem, "you cant use most armor" isnt an advertisable feature
strange falcon
naga also cant use half the pieces available fully
and they're in the same patch as them
COINCIDENCE
?!?!?!?
whole cedar
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naga can use all armor now
strange falcon
yeah
whole cedar
compacts 250 spare parts into 1 slot
strange falcon
but what i meant
is that it looks incredibly weird
like the pants are just a stretched out tube
pulsar iris
how does naga use all pieces of armor?
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theres a different between looking weird, and outright not working
junker gnomes cannot use boots, legs, gloves, wrists, or the arms of chests
at all
pulsar iris
well i mean they kinda can
strange falcon
i believe thats because the junker parts count as "armor" already in their model
pulsar iris
we just havent seen it yet
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No, they currently cannot. If they put in the work to change that in a future build, that changes things
but right now, they cannot use half of the games armor.
strange falcon
on a similar note regarding alliance ARs,the snekbois can use all armor,including tabards
but we havent seen any work on them since launch i think
zealous basalt
kek
night swift
Well they’d save a ton of gold on transmogs
night swift
Lots of npc races have dances
night swift
👏N👏P👏C👏
wise crest
night swift
You mustve missed the convo from like half an hour ago
pulsar iris
damn thos plate mogs look sweet
strange falcon
the worst thing you can ever do to yourself,is overly hype yourself up with expectations
that may or may not be met
wise crest
i mean if they dont come
im not gonna be sad
i learned to be okay with dashed expectations
my excitement will not harm me
i want junker shaman
strange falcon
wise crest
for this mog alone
pulsar iris
look a lot cooler than my orc shaman
wise crest
seriously though
junker gnome shaman if they do that i will cry for joy
this mog is SO good
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night swift
Oh I like
pulsar iris
wat be dis
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new HoA ability
pulsar iris
hoa teleport?
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Yeah
pulsar iris
this is sick
night swift
For someone who claimed to not be that hyped you sure made a lot of mogs
pulsar iris
as for someone who says dont want them as allied races want to create one so much now (me)
pulsar iris
i still believe allied races are not the kind of thing i wanted, but i can enjoy a bit
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we've only really gotten two that were actually asked for, dark iron and zandalari
rest were made by blizzard
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another great shaman mog
another rogue set https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406282965438562314/572416721034674176/unknown.png
Anyway. Thank you for coming to my TED talk about how fucking excited I am for Junker Gnomes (especially shamans) it's unreal and it's been great I'M SO HAPPY I love you all have a great day
me and my friend are gonna make Hatchet and Crank, a vulpera and junker duo if they are available
pulsar iris
i think just more customization options were what people asked. the option to play as a dark iron, but not as a "entire new race"
then again, lorewise would be weird
wise crest
i think they also had to take into account stuff like classes being restricted via different sections of races
for example the highmountain tauren seem to have no sunwalkers
which makes sense, that was a provision constructed by the mulgore tauren
pulsar iris
yeah i think so
wise crest
god. if junker gnomes can be shamans i am gonna be the happiest
pulsar iris
but then we see like HM tauren, LF draenei, and even now junker gnomes and somethings i think "not that much of aesthetical change for a entire playable race"
but then again, if a HM tauren is raised in mulgore and learns about sunwalkers and decides to become one... thats totally rp, and could be a thing
wise crest
lf draenei seem to have no connection to the elements
hence their lack of shaman or monk
i guess because light is all consuming
dense plover
this is so cool
"All Azerite helms from Mechagon can now zoom in a location!"
also this
meager zodiac
so a race with no dead, no conection to the spirits
or elements
is going to become a shaman how exactly?
and this method of mechanization isnt using titan artifacts, so you cant even go trough that route
wise crest
oh hi
also i imagine it'll probably like.... theyre able to synthesize the elemenets and the wolf form is a hologram
wise crest
like how dark iron shamans can be resto but they have no connection to water
zealous basalt
I think they'd be the most restricted class
wise crest
or how void elves can be holy priests
meager zodiac
ah
wise crest
or lfd can be shadow
meager zodiac
there is a difrence betwen not having access to a spec because of lore
wise crest
I think it'd be neat tbh
meager zodiac
and having a twisted version that isnt anything like shamans
i think its a lore death
btu people that like mechagnomes dont care for such trivial things in a mmoRPG
wise crest
It's not lore death, they just have to fit the box of the class abilities and they can build their own lore onto it.
meager zodiac
by not even doing the very basic of shamanism
wise crest
I'm not gonna get into an argument with you again.
meager zodiac
wich is being a spiritual medium betwen the elements
they are just gonna have hologram wolf spirits
wise crest
I'm just hyped for the potential of a player race.
zealous basalt
Yana noes
meager zodiac
a player race ths is just gnomes but gnomier/
tulip sun
Deep breaths May. No one is asking for lore death.
wise crest
Me
zealous basalt
you be silent
meager zodiac
like, mechagnomes are evidence
wise crest
Anyway, I hope for shamans
zealous basalt
Yanaaaa
meager zodiac
that no amount of money, resources or time spent
wise crest
Fingers crossed
zealous basalt
dies and explodes
meager zodiac
can fix a shitty concept
wise crest
My guy, I just saw someone here say they didnt like junkers but after seeng the mogs i posted they wanna make one now
meager zodiac
they could fill this race with spinning cogwells and 10000 animations
and it would still not reach 1 % pop once its live
wise crest
Okay thats cool w/e
I don't think the majority needs to be cattered to all the time.
Otherwise this would be world of elf craft and that would not be interesting.
meager zodiac
there is a difrence betwen a minority and an almost extinct population
and mechagnomes are not interesting
wise crest
Okay, if you don't like them, don't play them.
meager zodiac
as an allied race they are not, they are intereting as an extension of gnome lore
not as a seperate group
wise crest
Swear that the lost codex discord is hype af tho so I'm chill w/ it
I hope you find something that pleases you in this game. xx
meager zodiac
im good to hear the 10 people that like mechagnomes have found ways to meet each other
just like plagued rats got together so easly
pulsar iris
goblins literally bribe the elements to use their powers
wise crest
I'm speculating they could get shamans.
dense plover
and alliance just got a bunch of shamans
meager zodiac
but goblins can still comune with the elements
dense plover
seems unlikely tbh
wise crest
I could be wrong! I don't really mind.
pulsar iris
if a goblin can PAY to use elemental powers, i think junker gnomes can make synthetic ones
meager zodiac
then they bribe them
wise crest
I'll roll junker rogue if it is the case
meager zodiac
but its still the same process, difrent style
wise crest
Or tinker if that becomes a class
dense plover
you cant make synthetic elements
wise crest
Junkers seem to believe you can.
meager zodiac
synthethic elements trough machinery is more similar to what mages do
wise crest
meager zodiac
they belive in a lot of things, that is why their people want to turn the world in to a mecha wasteland
that is offering tools to enhance
not mimic
those are 2 difrent things
wise crest
I don't think internal forges are there to "enhance"
meager zodiac
mechagnomes dont have a talent for shamanism they cant force one
wise crest
Or "pumps"
pulsar iris
well you guys know that the kul'tiran shamans are NOT shamans, right?
they just have the same class available
meager zodiac
they are, they summon spirits
talk with the elements
listen to the wind and the sea
dense plover
they are shamans
meager zodiac
they have more stuff into it
dense plover
they literally have an npc explain it
wise crest
Also, Erazmin does say that the principles of mechanics and arcane magic are the same and its something hes long studied and stood by so im sure theyll also have mageee
pulsar iris
they are not considered that
meager zodiac
but they are shamans
meager zodiac
durzan also says gazlowe is a much better person than the alliance dude
wise crest
You don't have to agree with me, I'm just speculating.
meager zodiac
and yet they are going alliance
a lot of things are said
none of them become a thing
pulsar iris
or am i confused? because there is a kul'tiran npc that asks you "what is a shaman" when you as her if she is a shaman
meager zodiac
she is the most shaman of all, she doesnt know that concept because she isnt trained in it, but she is a shaman
wise crest
I'll continue to be hyped for what I like.
meager zodiac
tidesages are like the priestess of elune
they are mainly shamans
with mage/priest traits
wise crest
Which is to say: Playable Junkers are fucking great and I'm excited for them.
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she is a shaman, she just doesnt know what the phrase is
dense plover
^
wise crest
They're probably my fave AR yet.
pulsar iris
oh ok then
wise crest
Did you not see the mogs I linked?
unborn glacier
tidesages are shamans
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why do you want them as an allied race is my question
meager zodiac
so its just an aesthethical choice
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and not gnome customization
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they have zero ideological differences from normal gnomes
wise crest
The steampunk aesthetic, the socialite hierarchy, the possibility of alternative classes.
meager zodiac
wich ones tho
their mechanization isnt even done with titan artifacts
so you cant create tha conection, if anyone would figure our shamanism would be the normal gnomes
the ones with dwarves as friends, lots of dead to honor
terse patrol
I'm already calling them being "gnomes but better racials".
meager zodiac
there isnt anything you could add to mechagnomes that normal gnomes couldnt get
pretty much
meager zodiac
its basterdizing and realy underused race
the first story they lead
in YEARS
and it goes to another seperate race
that is just gnomes, but better
wise crest
Look, May, we'll never see eye to eye on this, you're gonna always hate them, I'll enjoy them. We have different tastes as people and that is absolutely fine. I hope you feel better and can find something that makes you feel good.
meager zodiac
this is what gnomes should have been from the start
it isnt a question of taste, its a question of design
i like the mogs you linked, they look neat
but its a bad concept to their core
zealous basalt
What Yana tries to say is
meager zodiac
light blood elves
zealous basalt
It would have been better if they were this since the beggining
meager zodiac
cow tauren
zealous basalt
And not just tkaing a spot for another allied race
wise crest
Define cow tauren.
meager zodiac
tauren that are taurier
wise crest
What is their customization.
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hoof hands
meager zodiac
oh they have fancy top hats
zealous basalt
kek
meager zodiac
yeah i know
and that was a race realeased how long ago
and criticized for how long/
wise crest
Ironically, junker gnomes are one of the most customizable AR's
meager zodiac
almost like mechagnomes harbor all . the criticisms of the first races
and none of the positives
almost like they didnt listen to a single piece of feeback
and the allied race system is a joke that doesnt grow
still a bad concept
vulpera have much less money poured into them
and are a widely superior race
wise crest
With 4 hand options, 2 leg options, 3 metal colours, 7 skin tones, 8 hair styles, 4 face options, 4 ear options, and 6 moustache options for males and 6 hair colours
meager zodiac
doesnt change the fact the race is a repeat of something we alreadt have
of a population that makes 3 % of the game
that barely shows up in the story
wise crest
a majority of the allied races are repeated races with something different
meager zodiac
that is so underexplored high elves have almost 3 times their lore content
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junker gnomes do not add anything different
wise crest
they never once said the allied race system was going to be to make completely new races, they said it was to make easier races with existing rigs
zealous basalt
The high elf shit again its getting old
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they have the exact same skillset of gnomes
just with more gnome, making base gnomes obsolete
meager zodiac
yet zandalari-kultirans- vulpera look difrent enough
that is no excuse
they are repeating all the mistakes of lightforged/highmountani
but this time
they are pouring more money to see if it fixes it
aka they dont listen
wise crest
I'm surprised you dont count maghar and dark irons as mistakes
zealous basalt
I honestly prefered it they made junker gnomes just a customization
terse patrol
Both of those were highly desired races.
meager zodiac
the dark irons with their extremely specific skills and presence and personality?
and the maghar with all the iconic clans that have died off/gone eivl in the current timeline?
because if you see normal orcs with armies of gronlings, tech, shadowcasters
and iron stars
please tell me
wise crest
but they could be a customization choice!
meager zodiac
could yeah, but they also can be allied races , because their presnece as a race in the story is unique neough
zealous basalt
We are also lacking something
zealous basalt
Who is going to be the counter to Mecha-gnomes for Horde?
wise crest
except no, their different classes, appearances and societal culture seperates them into a new race
meager zodiac
betwen a gnome and a mechagnome camp
what would be the difrent units
the difrent wa machines?
oh wait, it would just be machines
wise crest
typically speaking junkergnomes focus on recycling anyting they can find
meager zodiac
because the races have the exact same themes and pathos
except when creating machines
that look pristine and amazing
terse patrol
You see a Dark Iron camp, and you get fire elementals, war golems, magic, etc.
It's very different to Bronzebeards.
wise crest
nope, even when creating machines, some of the first quests are about erazmin picking through scrap hauls to find how they can repurpose the stuff
meager zodiac
and you see dwarves being vicious and wanting your head
because normal gnomes also dont know what is like to lose...
oh wait
they were also expelled of their city
and they also kinda live by with scrapping resources
wise crest
Anyway. I don't care for arguing this any further.
wise crest
If you don't want to play the race, don't play the race; I'll play it and enjoy myself.
meager zodiac
and its a disservice to gnomish lore
to have
the freaking last gnomish royals, going away into a new race
it not a question of playing it
its thinking of its effect on the alliance
as a faction
visualy, storywise, cool wise
the biggest gripe anyone has with the alliance when first loooking at the line up, is the 3 humans with difrent sizes, instead of giving mechanical bits to normal gnomes, making them a more unique stand out
we are gonna add a nother smaller human with metal parts that does the exact same things as the other one
zealous basalt
That'd be cool
meager zodiac
and after 4 humans like allied races, it was the time for something unique, ankoan would have been perfect
we ally exclusivly with them, we fight alongside them with heroes such as jaina, shandris, genn
zealous basalt
Considering that would be the first step to turning into the 40k universe of warhammer
meager zodiac
furbogls, jinyu, sethrak, freaking saberon, anything tha broke the mold
zealous basalt
Those suck
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Cough Dragonmen
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Dragonmen use the worgen skeleton.
zealous basalt
I'd prefer if they were just ... customizations, the mecha gnomes
dense plover
they talked about this a while ago
they wanted to do it but they need to figure out how to give them to both factions
terse patrol
Intelligent Gorilla allied race tho.
zealous basalt
no pls
dense plover
if it happens it might be 9.0, because honestly that seems to be where we are headed
to the dragon isles
terse patrol
ugh giving both sides dragons races would be lame
zealous basalt
Yeah
zealous basalt
Considering they would kill themselves before aiding those suckos
terse patrol
Alliance always has to share their toys.
terse patrol
Thank goodness like, all the other dragonflights lean Alliance.
wise crest
the alliance has wrathion? shit really
zealous basalt
And Ebonhorn remained neutral rather than fully aiding towards Horde
terse patrol
Anyone who thinks the Reds would support the Horde are cray.
zealous basalt
And greens
wise crest
ebonhorn aids the horde in contacting voljins spirit and is maylas advisor
zealous basalt
the only ones i'd see supporting the horde would be the bronzes
wise crest
also alexstrasza is way too forgiving
terse patrol
lmfao
wise crest
im shocked she even pardoned garrosh
terse patrol
Tell that to the Dragonmaw.
zealous basalt
LOL
terse patrol
Who she like
zealous basalt
This dude
terse patrol
Incinerated.
wise crest
oh no i agree
in the heat of the moment
she can have rage for days
but in war crimes her reaction to garrosh is so fucking odd
wise crest
can you get links i aint seen
afaik both sides have the same dialogue all over
even the emerald dragons dont react to the horde burning teldrassil
zealous basalt
Because Teldrassil was a disgrace for dragons
It was like
A big fucking arrogancy thropy
zealous basalt
Like
wise crest
they just go "we cant lose another world tree"
meager zodiac
the dragon race was planned for the alliance in cata once
terse patrol
I swear there was some sort of snarky dragon dialogue towards the Horde PC
wise crest
well i aint seen it on ptr
i was on my troll shammy
also alexstrasza's voice lines dont mention anything either
terse patrol
And ye, Dragonmen were meant for the Alliance in Cataclysm, but they went with Worgen instead.
So it's possible still.
zealous basalt
wtb real dragons
meager zodiac
the dragons dont say anything about teldrassil because any true consequence from neutral powers towards the horde would be some good story telling
and bfa doesnt have those
zealous basalt
Yeah
wise crest
i get lilian as new forsaken leader hopefully + we end the shitty slapstick evil warchief plot
zealous basalt
Winter is going to get triggered
meager zodiac
sylvannas didnt get the catapults to darkshore and pointed towards the tree by herself, just sayin
unborn glacier
terse patrol
do you just post that in here every day
wise crest
sylvanas didnt i agree, she as warchief commanded the army, they followed orders
unborn glacier
Nah. Only when theres pointless shitting on Sylv :3 Second time posting it
wise crest
but ultimately she will get the blame since they were her orders
peer pressure works on a power scale, one person saying "no i wont do it" would not spark everyone else to disobey out of fear of repercussion
unborn glacier
It was ultimately Saurfangs fault for not slaying Malf
zealous basalt
hax
wise crest
as garona said: you cant strike out against sylvanas too early
nah
saurfang saving malfurions life was an act of honor on his part
zealous basalt
i kept misreading garona as gamora
unborn glacier
No
wise crest
sylvanas going "hm guess ill burn children alive" was her choice
no one forced her
no one made her do that
she could have kept prisoners and hostages
she chose to burn them alive
unborn glacier
It was a pragmatic choice based on the fact Saurfang disobeyed his order to kill Malf, thus robbing them of the reason they came, to inflict a lasting wound
wise crest
again
sylvanas said the plan was to inflict a wound and have hostages
yet along the way innocents were slain anyway
she already went off plan
unborn glacier
No
Saurfang was the one who planned using rogues to kill the guards and sentinals