I might agree if they werent shafting wrathion out of a story lol
#beta-ptr-spoilers
uncut vault
languid yoke
Yes pls
uncut vault
he's the best alliance favoring connection to dragons
unborn glacier
Not really xD
Last time we saw him, he was staging the break-out of Garrosh and betraying Anduinds trust
Anduins*
pulsar iris
"alliance kicked us out. now the horde kicks us out. what do we do?!"
"oh i know. lets go back to the alliance!"
"but they kicked us out in first place!"
"dont be like that. im sure they will let us back in"
manic horizon
He was trying to give everyone a big bad to rally together against. First plan was for the Alliance to break apart the Horde, and when that didn't work, he moved on to Plan B.
unborn glacier
His first plan was to trick both Factions into killing and taking over the other.
uncut vault
And on the way favored the Alliance, and has a personal friendship with Anduin. If it came down to it, even despite betraying Anduin (and feeling bad about it), he's the closest dragon connection the Alliance has, especially with Anduin as high king, and Wrathion showing up in 7.3.5 in the blizzcon build
terse patrol
Also, the Alliance almost got Dragonmen in Cataclysm, but they opted for Worgen instead. @uncut vault
Dragonmen use the worgen skeleton afaik.
So it works for an Allied Race.
zealous basalt
WHERE ARE MY LEGGO ESSENCES
tranquil steeple
shh
zealous basalt
Blizz I want to see legendarg effects
tropic trail
I really hope that’s not in the PTR because it would be cool to only see it when it’s live
zealous basalt
But we have to test then
sudden oak
and only 5 min CD Blizzard is so gonna nerf that
uncut vault
theyre consumed on use
runic verge
I just noticed something
thus far everything that was announced at blizzcon has shown up in the PTR
except sylvanas 'going her own path to hell and beyond'
we know for sure there's a rebellion brewing up
I have a feeling that said rebellion won't face sylvanas directly. she won't be there.
but
being there or not, she would 100% put nathanos there to represent her
with both sylvanas and nathanos going down, who would lead the forsaken?
if the rebellion notices that it's useless to fight when sylvanas isn't around, then shouldn't they just focus on the alliance and fight the war on their own way?
fight the alliance, hunt sylvanas after the war is over. the alliance still wants revenge over teldrassil, and the horde would have to defend from that.
wouldn't that be a perfect moment to create a division in the alliance? those who want peace because Sylvanas is out of command vs those who still want revenge? those who helped freeing baine vs those who would consider that treason?
that's far more interesting than just having a horde vs sylvanas patch in my opinion
on the regard of a new forsaken leader.... don't put calia there. even belmont would be better. maybe voss.
dense plover
uh
she is there
we know she is there in the baine scenario
also, when did they the to hell and beyond thing? was that pre-legion?
that sounds like pre-legion
because she went to hell in legion
runic verge
ion said that sylvanas' fans would follow her path even to hell and beyond and part of the crowd cheered
dense plover
she still has to do stuff with helya
tropic trail
Yeah, I mean I love Sylvanas as a character. I just don’t agree with burning children alive even in a video game. So I can’t be on her side this time
Rip.
I’d follow her for anything else though 😂
Although, I don’t understand how they showed children in that scenario... but in game you never see any night elf children. 🤔
dense plover
do night elf children have a model?
tropic trail
Nah it was in the cut scenes
tropic trail
I just find it odd they would add that but don’t have a model for them
tulip sun
Just modify the nightborne 1
tropic trail
I personally just want to know what she’s trying to absolutely gain from all of this. Is there ever going to be end? Will she continue to go down a path she won’t come back from? I feel bad for the horde people they loved and cared for are going to be picking sides.
dense plover
she wants kalimdor free of alliance, permanently
thats why we went to get the boats from zandalar
defeat the alliance fleet and lock them off the continent
pulsar iris
she talking to saurfang about a lasting peace just tells pretty much everything
tulip sun
Yup. I think it makes sense too
pulsar iris
he believe in a ever lasting peace because we were brothers in arms against the legion
she says humans wont ever forget the orcs who invaded and destroyed their kingdoms and whatever
tropic trail
To me I feel like there are bigger issues than the things she’s trying to achieve. She should be more focused on that than a faction war.
It was fun while it lasted, but now I see horde and I’m just like “it’s fine you burned down my home I’m over it” the first few months it was different lmfao. I just hope the faction war comes to an end at some point so we can focus on other beings trying to take over Azeroth >_> like in 8.2 for a change.
pulsar iris
sylvanas is one to expect the worst of her enemies most times. when she knew about azerite, she feared the alliance would gather as much as they could and then attack the horde. she needed to act first, probably what she thought
pulsar iris
yup. and she feared the boy king would not be strong enough to hold them
like he wasn't when she went to stormhein and genn attacked her
tropic trail
I mean on our side He just sits at throne he’s not really doing much. So it’s understandable.
Like we brought him the dagger and he was like “thank you champion, we must see what she plans to do with it” and I’m like... >_> alright.
It’s a shame to say the new king doesn’t really have a backbone, he just has daddy issues.
pulsar iris
he is young, and he hates war and violence. he isnt fit to command the alliance in times of war, i would think
but he is also very smart and charismatic
the way he would solve conflict is not through war. this is pretty much why the alliance hasn't stomped over the horde yet, i would think
night swift
Anduin is basically a pacifist
tropic trail
Yeah, I agree that to stop the conflict is not through war, but clear understanding from both parties involved. It’s why I’m on the alliance. Which, is smart. If there can be a common ground leaders should discuss it and see what can be compromised. But not all leaders are like that so it’s hard especially with old wounds.
night swift
except for Rastakhan and that one troll in the cinematic
tropic trail
I’m interested to see how it’s going to play out for the horde once thrall comes back. It’s there going to be a deeper divide in the horde.
night swift
Thrall is definitely gonna be a big factor in something
pulsar iris
in a way i understand how sylvanas thinks, saying that people would never forget the hardship each faction has gone because of another
unborn glacier
I stand firmly with Sylvanas. Not gonna enjoy fighting against Thrall, but he's no longer the Warchief.
pulsar iris
but then i remember wars in real world and i think "hey we made it work out after that"
unborn glacier
We can't view the in-game universe through the lens of our real world. You need to operate from within the universe itself. Tyrande has never forgiven the Orcs. Not once. She has a vehement hatred for them and would see them all killed if she had it her way, even before Sylvanas and Garrosh
So no. Old hatreds and hardships in Warcraft last a very long time.
And die hard.
pulsar iris
yeah, specially when there are pretty much immortal races over there
tropic trail
Thrall is idolized.
tropic trail
He doesn’t have to be a war chief to question the horde
unborn glacier
I agree and disagree
pulsar iris
the horde and alliance ALMOST became friends when he was warchief
that's why he is idolized
unborn glacier
He created a good foundation for a strong Horde.
tropic trail
An idolized figure can destroy a nation, or a faction given the right assets.
unborn glacier
Garrosh fucked that up with his extreme racism and fanatic hatred of anything non-Orc. I see Sylvanas as the one who is actively trying to make the Horde strong, but petty self-honor from behind-the-times leaders are getting in the way of that.
tropic trail
People want to believe in something even in videos games that’s just how it’s always been. The stronger the belief the bigger that person gets idolized and the more people will follow.
pulsar iris
yes, sylvanas is trying to make the horde strong. but by any means necessary
ignoring their cultures and everything else
tropic trail
Yeah I agree with that. The horde were so deeply rooted in honor I just don’t feel like they have that anymore.
pulsar iris
oh, they do
tropic trail
Which is sad because that’s what made them so amazing.
pulsar iris
but the warchief just doesnt care about it
unborn glacier
I disagree
I see honor as an obstacle to victory.
If you're willing to throw everything away because it's honorable, I see you as weak.
pulsar iris
you see it like that, as does sylvanas, and honestly me too. but it is rooted in the horde's culture
it's so deep that it hurts everyone when you don't care about it
tropic trail
Yeah, but what’s more important victory or honor? That’s the horde conflict. It’s why Saurfang didn’t do what he was supposed to do*
unborn glacier
Victory
pulsar iris
that's the crossroads
sylvanas believes in victory
most of the horde believes in honor because it is deep in their culture
tropic trail
See you see victory but some horde see honor which is why the conflict in the horde is just going to get stronger.
night swift
Baine and Saurfang both put honor above victory
tropic trail
Which is fine
unborn glacier
Its not fine
foggy abyss
Honor is sacred to "the old horde"
tropic trail
I’m just saying that when Thrall comes don’t be surprised to see an all out divide in the horde lol
unborn glacier
Because they are willing to let the Horde die if it is honorable
night swift
Oh yeah theres gonna be a split in the horde again its inevitable
foggy abyss
The horde wouldn't have died
unborn glacier
As Sylvanas said, this Horde is worth fighting for.
pulsar iris
she isnt
foggy abyss
How is blighting your own troops "Saving"
pulsar iris
she is sacrificing the values of the old horde
foggy abyss
Yes to make it similar to the scourge
unborn glacier
Baine, Saurfang, Zappyboy, etc. They are.
They can't see beyond their petty self honor
tropic trail
She can’t honestly see this ending in a good way.
night swift
There will be no winners in this war
unborn glacier
The Horde has been in dire straights since Cata
pulsar iris
she fears if she is weak and believes in honor and all that good stuff, they will be exterminated
night swift
Eehhhh
unborn glacier
The Hordes survival needs to be secured, and I'm willing to carve that survival in as much blood needed.
tropic trail
She doesn’t even know anything but sadness
unborn glacier
No. Garrosh was a bad warchief
pulsar iris
well, you could keep garrosh there
unborn glacier
He saw only Orcs as worthy
pulsar iris
but if you were no orc, he would not keep you alive
night swift
^
unborn glacier
Only those who pledged to pretty much slavery to the Orcs were allowed in HIS Horde
foggy abyss
Same goes for Sylvanas
unborn glacier
No
foggy abyss
And her Forsakens
unborn glacier
No
foggy abyss
Absolutly
unborn glacier
No
foggy abyss
she turns the horde into forsakens
And controls them, bind them to her will
he saw that with the Lordaeron scenario
And with Zeilling
night swift
She wants the undead to thrive
foggy abyss
And with Derek
unborn glacier
Zelling? The guy who willingly wanted to be a Forsaken?
pulsar iris
if that was her goal, she would already have turned saurfang, baine, and others into forsaken
night swift
she even had assassins lie in wait in case she wanted to kill her own sisters
unborn glacier
And Derek whose souls was willing to be resurrected?
pulsar iris
and she didn't killed them. but alleria said she should have killed sylvanas back there
unborn glacier
Yes
pulsar iris
the sisters hate each others now
foggy abyss
Tell me more
Derek was unwilling to come back to life
he was against being twisted
unborn glacier
If you have done the Darkshore lead up quest, you will have learned the Valkyr can only rez willing souls
tropic trail
She was going to use him against Jaina.
night swift
thats most of the darkshore stuff honestly
unborn glacier
Too bad. It is the current canon.
tropic trail
She probably promised him something and was going to betray him
foggy abyss
Why would Derek Scream "Noooooooooo" upon bein' resurected if he was willing
Why would Derek not join Sylvanas if he was "Willing"
He lost his Free will
he was turned into a puppet for Sylvanas
unborn glacier
A souls willingness to be rezzed doesnt mean a willingness to work for sylvanas
It doesnt always work out in her favor
Lillian voss anyone?
night swift
the intro for the forsaken does say they can leave if they chose to
foggy abyss
While every NE during the quest
unborn glacier
The Undead starting zone? Given a choice to return to death, join sylvanas or do your own thing?
foggy abyss
are purely calm
uncut vault
He groaned upon being resurrected
he screamed after sylvanas talked about using him
watch the cutscene
unborn glacier
I have
pulsar iris
i think porter didnt meant it to you wynter
unborn glacier
Yes, because she could not trust they were returning out of fear or loyalty
uncut vault
I didnt, meant that at Jakal
unborn glacier
I would make the same choice
foggy abyss
"What have you done to me"
tropic trail
If it’s their choice so what
unborn glacier
You can question it all you want, Jakal. But the current canon is the Valkyr under Sylvanas can only rez willing souls.
uncut vault
read what winter said
tropic trail
People shouldn’t be deprived of their families. It’s not like they were going to spill secrets they were just innocent undead happy to see their family lol
uncut vault
instead of ignoring it to restate your argument
unborn glacier
This is what Blizzard has made canon for us.
pulsar iris
he probably didn't know sylvanas and the horde were there
uncut vault
willing souls does not always mean willing person once theyre actually resurrected
pulsar iris
probably the valkyr were like "hey would you like to be rezzed and maybe have a chance to go back to your family and stuff?"
uncut vault
especially considering its been implied over the last two expansions that Sylvanas is not the only person that goes to the hellish darkness upon dying
foggy abyss
@uncut vault What is your source
tropic trail
I mean eventually she’s going to be put back on her little throne to cool off.
foggy abyss
i am willing to believe that with a good source
tropic trail
Like “all mighty banshee queen” won’t be forever
uncut vault
Every undead before derek that was shocked upon being raised?
pulsar iris
chronicles, games, all official sources
night swift
the undead intro
uncut vault
Its canon that even when willing, undead are frenzied immediately upon being raised
and easily manipulated
pulsar iris
many of them dont accept that they came back as monsters
when they accepted the gift of the valkyr, they probably thought they would come back as they were while living
then they come back and they dont feel, dont breathe, anything
uncut vault
if I were a soul, even a soul that when in a rational state, would hate being undead, was trapped in an eternal dark hellscape
pulsar iris
probably shocking
uncut vault
many undead in Legion, and now normal humans and dwarves in BfA, repeat the "I see only darkness" line upon dying
tropic trail
I mean she can’t feel happiness so she doesn’t really see the world like everyone else.
unborn glacier
Well. She did feel happiness. In War Crimes.
tropic trail
The only time she gets close to happiness is in the misery of other people.
unborn glacier
Vareesa and Sylvanas planned to assassinate Garrosh during his trial. And being with her sister, awoke long dead genuine feelings of happiness and love.
pulsar iris
its only rational she dont feel that much joy anymore
unborn glacier
I cried reading War Crimes
pulsar iris
i wish i had patience and attention to read books
unborn glacier
Because I felt for Sylvanas.
When Vareesa decided she couldnt go through with it and abandoned her sister, the last flicker of Sylvanas' happiness and love were finally extinguished.
unborn glacier
Fucking sue me, spelling nazi
unborn glacier
Anyways.
tropic trail
I wish the game actually played out from a real world perspective because as a social worker in progress she’s too damaged to be a warchief lmfao
unborn glacier
With how much family means to me, that whole plotline in War Crimes really gripped me hard.
And re-awoke a lot of the love I had for her character.
pulsar iris
remember @tropic trail she isnt warchief because she wants it
and we still trying to figure who whispered to vol'jin
tropic trail
Yeah, I know. But if the horde thing she is mentally okay enough then there’s something wrong there too because she’s bat shit. She’s damaged as all hell. There is no way she would see anything normal she has the biggest trust issues of all lol.
pulsar iris
she was nominated warchief
tropic trail
Yeah when I read what you said Skye I felt a little sad for her because losing something like that is sad. I love her as a character but I just don’t like the way it’s going for me personally.
pulsar iris
there was nothing they could do about it
tropic trail
Vol’jin screwing everyone up before he died
On a side note, wasn’t new thrall supposed to be a woman?
unborn glacier
I understand her choices, and while morally reprehensible, I will agree with it.
night swift
thats draenor
unborn glacier
Alt-Thrall?
night swift
alt thrall is female right?
unborn glacier
Shes in Orgimmar
tropic trail
Ah okay, I was confused when I saw him again lol
Everyone kept saying he was supposed to change blah blah.
unborn glacier
It'd be funny to see them interact
It would be even funnier if Thrall didnt have a mate and fucked Alt-him
Is that Incest, self-cest or what?
XD
tropic trail
pulsar iris
altcest?
unborn glacier
xD
meager zodiac
https://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=152247/tyrande-whisperwind it seems she does show up in 8.2, one form or another
smoky mural
there is amanthul https://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=154428/amanthul
tulip sun
@meager zodiac I went through all 1000 and didn't see her...was there another build?
meager zodiac
i dont know, but if you search for her name you will still find that npc, and it was added in 8.2 @tulip sun
tulip sun
How did I miss that
tulip sun
Huh
Nice catch
Only one model though
So perhaps that text is real and she appears only to leave again at the request of Shandris
meager zodiac
yeah, but more can be added i guess, but it does show up even if shortly
zealous basalt
Aman thul appears and slaps the shit out of Nozdormu
meager zodiac
or him and the rest of the titans are tired of sargeras and illidan bickering and slow burn fanfic developing on their throne room
so they put some stevie nicks, and decided to astral project to azeroth
and see whats up
wise crest
@tulip sun either Erazmin says the same thing to priests or Paladin have the wrong quote because he just talked about embedding naaru shards to me
wise crest
its word for word
the one that people have been saying
was for paladin
so the paladin one is wrong
tulip sun
I'm going to work anyway
dense plover
new quest
they added more profession skill cap
it goes to 175 instead of 150 now
also, seems like the best source of rep is the single daily WQ - it gives 500 rep. everything else (including the rares) gives 75
new dailies in 15 min
my main ptr char got stuck lmao
dense plover
hearthstone
if thats down
esc -> help -> stuck
half of the quests today are the same as yesterdays
ionic terrace
Yeah I tried all that
ionic terrace
It's a bug with faction changing to Horde and doing the into quests
lmao
and then it ports me to org throne room
Can't escape it 
terse patrol
@ionic terrace what is this cinematic
tropic trail
what is this?
ionic terrace
It's nothing new, just the one when you go into SW at the beginning
It bugs out and plays whenever I log in
tropic trail
oh so that background is jsut a bug?=
ionic terrace
Yea
wise crest
@tulip sun rogue
uncut vault
Paladin and priest have the same one
strange falcon
paladins cant use daggers tho
uncut vault
It applies to both, it’s just about the light
wise crest
did you go on your paladin and confirm this
uncut vault
wise crest
this is literally
the screenshot everyone has been showing around
but no one confirmed its from paladin they just assumed
uncut vault
Why do you not trust it so much?
sudden oak
the text even says the joke worked better with the last paladin
if that isnt confirmation enough for it to be towards paladins
idk what else do you want
wise crest
the issue is
he says the same thing to priest
including "this worked better on the last paladin"
sudden oak
it wouldnt surprise me that they just copy pasted it for priests
flashbacks from every high priest being called highlord by khadgar
its not a secret paladins get the good stuff related to lore with the light
atleast we have the void I guess
terse patrol
I mean, it makes sense.
ionic terrace
can i get that sword blizz
strange falcon
No its to Make him unique-
ionic terrace
pulsar iris
@ionic terrace what is that sylvanas void thing
strange falcon
@pulsar iris bugged background
pulsar iris
but the text on it is something new?
pulsar iris
oh lol
livid walrus
night swift
Ooh a brewfest tabard
limber mural
Well I haven't seen them
But I must possess all engineer themed mounts
don't ask me about gmod
strange falcon
Well the mechanical ring bike Is from doing everything in mechagon i think
And you have the spidermech from mechagon i think,the One from gnomeregan etc
night swift
I must have the ring bike
flint meteor
whos that arcforged
inner copper
Probably what she calls the mechagnomes
Like a nickname
Because Arc could be seen as an arc welder
Or one of those blacksmithing things
Idk
dense plover
<@&299347348847329281> what is the rule on sharing images from a sandbox? If its not allowed, can I share pictures in DM or should I just say nothing?
barren latch
I think is not allowed no
Whatever you do in DM, unles RMT or scams or insults, it's up to you
dense plover
so can I say that if people want pics DM me?
barren latch
I guess that's fine
dense plover
cool
foggy abyss
dense plover
I have secret stuff that im not supposed to talk about. if you want pics, send me a friend request and ill dm you
barren latch
foggy abyss
ionic terrace
😏
dense plover
im serious
night swift
👀
ionic terrace
I know
dense plover
not banned
not blocked either
also, the palace is 100% nzoth's prison
so uh
yeah....
thats fun
tropic trail
I'm hongwy
dense plover
im like 100% sure that the final fight and defeat of azshara will result in nzoth's release
tropic trail
Do we get to go into N'zoth's anus again?
dense plover
it probably is
from what I gather
the final fight is atop what looks like a titan seal on rocks that strangely resemble one of nzoth's maws
chains in the background
and i assume when we defeat her the mouth opens
i have albums of the raid and the zone
its pretty rad
theres a big section thats the ruins of zinazshari
theres some parts that are reminiscent of suramar city
the front area is crazy
its awesome
the raid is HUGE
tulip sun
Really cool
upper lantern
so it's looking like 8.3 will be N'zoth hmmm
dense plover
Unless something super unexpected happens
I was really hoping we would get a full blown old god expac
😦
terse patrol
I still think it’ll be Sylvanas. Finishing off the Old Gods imo should be the end of this trilogy of expacs.
BFA is just expac 1 of 3
So I’m putting money on a Lich King/Dragon Isles expansion next.
Meanwhile free N’zoth is doing stuff still.
Then he springs his final plan for the third expac.
zealous basalt
How do we call this trilogy
upper lantern
yeah I'm thinking Lich King next too
zealous basalt
Empire Strikes Back
dark furnace
WoW ep 1: The Classic Menace
WoW ep 2: Attack of the Legion
WoW ep 3: Revenge of the Lich
WoW ep 4: A New World
WoW ep 5: The Pandaren Strike Back
WoW ep 6: Return of the Warlords
WoW ep 7: The Legion Awakens
WoW ep 8: The Last Subscriber
WoW ep 9: The Rise of Fordragon
Or ep 9: The Rise of Windrunner
tulip sun
Was Bfa really referred.to as a part of a trilogy??
The war defiantly might not end in bfa then
limber mural
I don't remember that
sullen dawn
I think that's more how he's viewing the expansion rather than something blizzard have announced
I mean WoD/Legion felt a bit like a two part expansion story wise, but I don't think blizzard ever said anything like that
dense plover
That’s why I’ve been sending people albums of screenshots
Sandbox is against TOS
So we can’t post it here
sullen dawn
Out of curiosity, whats the implicit difference between datamining and sandboxing?
Is that blizzards call?
dark furnace
What's sandbox?
dense plover
Datamining is digging through the files
Sandboxing is running a private server that’s lets you view the world
sullen dawn
ok thank you
inner copper
uhhh
smoky mural
no
strange falcon
I mean,i really liked HoTs but It couldnt hold me for more than a bunch of months
foggy abyss
@dense plover
uncut vault
It was said like, 15 messages up that sandbox pics aren’t allowed lol
uncut vault
Looks like someone spread around those imgur albums
dense plover
I told them they could share as long as I got credit nd people know not to share them in places like this channel
foggy abyss
Oh ok
uncut vault
People definitely didn’t credit you lol, it’s now in a bunch of other discords crediting someone from the sethrak one who claimed it as theirs
tulip sun
🙄 Probably my fault. I am not in the sethrak discord. I only shared it with those I talk to in the Vulpera one. Sorry.
People didn't get the hint
That is probably isn't allowed
ionic terrace
No it’s Lightforged Varian @terse patrol
tulip sun
and they probably got it from what I posted
ionic terrace
😉
unborn glacier
"WoW ep 8: The Last Subscriber"
XDDDDDDDDD
Holy shit this had me falling out of my seat
dense plover
@gilded forge we cant post images that aren’t available on the live game client (no sandbox). You need to delete those
gilded forge
@dense plover I got it, np'
dense plover
Thank you. Didn’t want you to get in trouble
Anything found using third party tools that break TOS, such as a sandbox, are against wowhead rules
uncut vault
I assume he linked the SoO 2.0 pics?
foggy abyss
Yah
chrome seal
weak bridge
guys
the thing on the left with the chains looks like the prison of N'zoth to me 🤔
dark furnace
Yeah and that to the right looks like maybe the Circle of Stars
daring dune
Zone with purple things is probably underwater boss
dark furnace
One thing I wonder is, how did the Kul'tirans not find Mechagon?
It's just off their coast
And shouldnt at least a few boats have passed through just in that area?`
terse patrol
My guess is gnomish cloaking that was undone when they opened the vault
dark furnace
Ah ok
flint atlas
a guildie just told me hellfire assault is nerfed to be soloable on the ptr. can anyone confirm or are they just getting my hopes up ;P
limber mural
by nerfed it'll have to be damage minimalised or just plain skippable
flint atlas
okay, i got off my ass and googled it myself and for anyoen else curious: apparently the first fight has been sped up dramatically, the cannons take greatly reduced damage and the door goes down after only 5-6 shots, according to the reddit post i found
so that's nice
i might actually be able to get the transmogs i want out of there now
dark furnace
Wait I've soloed that before?
flint atlas
it's soloable atm if you have high mobility but it's really hard depending on your class
dark furnace
Maybe I did it on normal
flint atlas
i've never managed it
dark furnace
Ah, I was on a druid
flint atlas
yeah that'd do it x)
dark furnace
But it was normal too
flint atlas
honestly it's about time
it'd be doable as-is if you only had to keep one cannon alive, but having to keep both up is just. egh.
tranquil steeple
hellfire assault is just a pain in the ass to do solo
because you have to get so many shots at the gate
that take a while to actually get since it's more timer-based when the machines are sent out
sudden oak
Anduins passive in HOTS is leap of faith oof
its gonna take a lot of self control to not use it to troll
runic verge
I don't know if you guys have already talked about this but
limber mural
if it's sandbox stuff don't post it
limber mural
that's hots ain't it
night swift
it is
runic verge
yes
night swift
non canon
limber mural
yeahh
runic verge
but you have sylvanas wearing the only relic that doesn't drop in the raid
the other relics all drop
terse patrol
HoTS art style is different to WoW.
So I wouldn't use that as a mark against it.
@runic verge
runic verge
this is scary
I mean
Nzoth has a voiceline for when you use the crown
The storm holds strength... but there is a price to be paid.
the power of the crown deals global damage
it's just too perfect for someone looking to purge all living
it's also a perfect parallel to arthas
once again
uncut vault
That has nothing to do with current WoW stuff
Her with that crown on has been a thing since 2014, it’s a visual of her master skin
terse patrol
@uncut vault Is pretty convenient that the crown looks a lot like the Tempest Crown tho
smoky mural
Wow that's a reach
plain vigil
A bit higher resolution.
Keep in mind blizzard takes art leaniancies with HoTS, so it could be Sylvanas's new post BFA crest. Using HoTS's version of the crown.
Now if you really wanna speculate 😏
Masterclasses skin^
Similar headpiece but different and not a crown.
jade basalt
It's literally just the thing on her bow
plain vigil
Eye color is off, so is the shape of the middle spoke. It definitely looks like an evolved version.
Also the backplate is flopped
plain vigil
Agreed. The emote uses a newer updated crown. Which is closer in shape to the crown from 8.2
steel venture
Blizzard doesn't use lore from HotS. It's self-contained.
The only crossovers that're made canon are with Hearthstone.
As Hearthstone is an actual game that is played by the denizens of Azeroth, so it's canonically handled as exaggerations or fictional takes on pre-existing things in-universe.
zealous basalt
Guys. You look like people new to blizzard speculating with armors from HotS
tropic trail
I dont think this does mean anything, but maybe Im wrong
plain vigil
@steel venture lore =/= hints. For example, Tortolan lore from hearthstone isn't wow lore. Tortolan don't live in Un'goro nor have the been confirmed to ever have. Blizzard can hint things in other games if they really want to. It's unlikely but it's possible.
hollow blaze
imagine if they did
if sargeras had aimed a tiny bit more to the east we'd have avoided tortollan WQs altogether
plain vigil
uncut vault
Guys, it’s literally just an icon they used from her bow, and gave it more clarity when used on mind control for a while
It isn’t lore
strange falcon
Sylvanas was my main in hots,so i can confirm ^ master skin was the best 👌
whole cedar
how dangerous is this?
inner copper
Yes
tulip sun
Think there will be a ptr build today?
whole cedar
we're expecting one
tulip sun
Nice. :)
lone marten
Nazjatar pls blizzzzz
hasty elbow
^
ionic terrace
Nagana happen
modern axle
wow thats really cool!
modern axle
I wonder if we'll get a build tonight, perhaps enabling nazajtar and mechagon Dungeon?
zealous basalt
inb4 everyone die
hasty elbow
nani
mystic heart
why they announced class changes 04 23
but servers still up? 😄
ionic terrace
I mean it's only 12:30ish there
smoky mural
how long is it
pulsar iris
it be updating here
foggy abyss
God i wish
Don't know if it's indeed that
but i'm expecting one of those
Or atleast Mechagone dungeon
tropic trail
I figured it would be a month or 2 before it comes out haha
zealous basalt
LEGENDARY EFFECTS?
pulsar iris
i want raid cutscene
foggy abyss
I need that baine Scenario
pulsar iris
i need for loyalists
uncut vault
the legendary effects are already in the files
they likely wont be testable because theyre just a cosmetic effect
dense plover
New build
168
Mechagon city loadscreen
Nazjatar minidungeon - no clue what that is
Maps for snow blossom and crescent whatever
foggy abyss
Guess we'll have to find out in game
sour burrow
Rofl now 90k for the pterrodax /griffon recolors.
night swift
They’re 90k now wtf blizzard
inner copper
void dragons!!
mystic heart
runic verge
is the PTR offline?
similar-to-warfront feature?
or halaa-similar?
@tropic trail 🤔
uncut vault
not gonna be a warfront, probably closer to halaa or the hellfire control points
tropic trail
@runic verge mh?
tropic trail
yea, I saw that
uncut vault
we'll see if the quest actually changes
as of now, its just a change to the scenario steps
tropic trail
I mean, its still the same, but looks like there is still hope that they can change it until its released
runic verge
well
they did a good job with the previous choice
so I kinda trust them on this one
tropic trail
you mean where I had to kill Forsaken?
to help baine?
while pretending to be on his side, mhhh
smoky mural
Or the night elf quest
tropic trail
omg Stratholme is just a pet dungeon
I thought that scenario is something important for lore
tropic trail
yea, but they datamined only the mail you become from the dude
runic verge
do we have an ETA for PTR servers?
mystic heart
@runic verge https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/c/in-development/rise-of-azshara-ptr-general-discussion only class changes
runic verge
that event seems to be 7th legion vs zandalari
https://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=155118
https://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=155121
zealous basalt
this void dragon is interesting
tropic trail
90,000 gold for the mounts..? and i thought 50,000 was high already
zealous basalt
apparently not
smoky mural
zealous basalt
tl:dr on it?
zealous basalt
that is a ad
meager zodiac
55 seconds whoo
uncut vault
better than anduin, at least
zealous basalt
trust in me
runic verge
I really like this new armor and you can't condemn my bad taste
languid yoke
I see worgen, i see good taste
fading arrow
is the ptr servers offline right now?
tropic trail
does it mean that Sylvanas gives her dagger away to Nathanos?
smoky mural
Yes
runic verge
So sylvanss knows what is going to happen, tha t a big trap is going to mass murder her troops.. and sees it as a way to kill off those not absolutely loyal to her.```
```A shepherd, cloaked in the shadows of her past, beloved by a flock of blind sheep.
She guided them over a cliff. Even as they crashed upon the rocks, they never doubted her.
The crows grew fat upon sheep flesh. Her laughter echoed all around.
The blade's eye watches all. Why do you not see?
The first of his lies has been offered.
Bound by a Throne? No... boundless.
The next will come soon.
The star peers down. I must hide from its glare.
The dagger spoke true. It has been too long since I was drowned.
Do not forsake me, Masters!```Ashvanes voice over is a bit different to the text. she dont says "the banshee baited you" just you have been baited
unborn glacier
Okay, those VO lines have me hyped
uncut vault
probably cause they changed it
junior prairie
Thrall has his animations fixed now 😃
sudden oak
thrall can never be too swool
tropic trail
I really dont like this model, the one he had before was looking more unique
unborn glacier
^
tropic trail
now he looks like a generic orc
zealous basalt
this one reminds me of durotan
sudden oak
I wouldn't mind dying between those pecs
zealous basalt
probably there is a reason of why the armor change
sudden oak
but yeah he looks more generic
zealous basalt
He is going to kick ass warrior style now
Or probably something going to happen that has him as a full sham now
runic verge
skinny green jesuswhat
ionic terrace
ree
zealous basalt
update it you donut
mystic heart
lol? i have same issue
night swift
Oh god, another flask recipe
mystic heart
@zealous basalt which is ur version of ptr?
modern axle
I also have that
zealous basalt
168
mystic heart
we have too
but i don't have a 5gb build only 1gb 😄
modern axle
Same here
junior prairie
zealous basalt
am was jojoking
night swift
Lmao
junior prairie
270000g for all new flying mounts from rep vendors
uncut vault
servers are working
ionic terrace
phew
uncut vault
oof, bug thats gonna cause a lot of problems
night swift
Those prices are fucking dumb
ionic terrace
oh no
uncut vault
chamber of heart isnt phasing players
looks like the final quest for the dragon stuff is kalecgos, not chromie
native kestrel
uncut vault
ooh, show us the spell effect
mystic heart
they replace quests?
modern axle
did they enable any new content? like mechagon dungeon?
mystic heart
seems nope
mystic heart
@uncut vault where is it?
uncut vault
warbeast kraal, shows up on the map
she takes you through dream portals across the world
tropic trail
i hope in 1 or 2 weeks they enable the dungeon and maybe Nazjatar
sudden oak
is that torcali?
mystic heart
just click around
ionic terrace
nah it's literally not able to be used
mystic heart
they back portal for cavern times
inner copper
Yay
junior prairie
whole cedar
@ionic terrace did you spot the horde caverns of time portal anywhere? couldnt find it
ionic terrace
Nope I didn't look
whole cedar
yeah i did look over the horde room and didnt find anything
junior prairie
||This is the mail-aspriant omg it's...bad.. also starfish over eye...good for aiming 🤦
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/838312.jpg
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/838313.jpg||
junior prairie
We know lots! human!
zealous basalt
I would love if
they allowed us to get our characters with the bless of nzoth in ptr
dense plover
I like it
It has coral
It probably will have more 3d bits
We are very early in the ptr cycle
dense plover
Gb? That’s a low ball. To be fair, a lot of the download is replacing a bunch of files
junior prairie
Most races have the drunk Kul'tiran animations now!
dense plover
That’s nice
Probably gonna be used for brew fest
Aww man, it would be great if getting your character drunk switched you to that walking animation
I hope that happens
What a great touch
junior prairie
So do I, they need to add that so much get smashed and your walking round dungeons like that XD
runic verge
really liking this set https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/411187738520322050/570409627737391130/unknown.png
mystic heart
Nope
cursive sun
is this void dragon？ or twilight dragon？
zealous basalt
"We plan to do a wipe of all characters in a few weeks after getting focused feedback on the Heart of Azeroth Essences. This will allow us to test the feel and pacing of obtaining them all naturally. We’ll give you a heads up on that character wipe here in this forum."
hax
HAAX
runic verge
(New April 23) Gnome and Tauren Heritage Armor quest lines
New Zone: Mechagon
(New April 23) Battle Pets and Pet Battle World Quests
Heart of Azeroth system update: Introducing Essences
New Arena: The Robodrome
Mount Equipment
Ashran Epic Battleground
Crestfall and Snowblossom Island Expeditions```Anyone want to try the new essences in m+ sometime
smoky mural
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlUhE1qBavc&t=0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD7dBpFnUcE&t=0s neither of them mention the banshee anymore
smoky mural
no ashvane used to mention Sylvanas as the banshee but she doesn't any more
i added azshara to be 100% sure
vestal wing
It's a plane lol!
whole cedar
thats a lot cooler than the tauren item
tropic trail
weak bridge
is this a different whistle though ?
This one doesn't specify the place so it means it works everywhere ?
vestal wing
uncut vault
That’s the same text as the normal whistle
Was made that in BfA
So that it doesn’t say “only works in the Broken Isles, Argus, Kul Tiras, Zandalar, Nazjatar, and Mechagon”
mystic heart
@whole cedar do u complete tauren quest?
cuz i don't have scene with cairne and tamala
they just stand 😦
daring dune
I hope smday they will make whistle works in old zones. So it will be very useful for leveling characters
whole cedar
@mystic heart they just stood around for me as well.
gilded forge
where does gnome heritage quest start
whole cedar
Embassy, quest will be there if you're a 120 gnome and exalted with Gnomeregan
gilded forge
thanks !
mystic heart
@whole cedar why u upload with broken step?
whole cedar
What you mean?
mystic heart
Cairne step look on ur site
steps on this scenario
whole cedar
I wrote the questline as it happened, if there's something wrong, it was on Blizzard's end. As for the video, a different person recorded it, as we always do to have two perspectives.
mystic heart
ah kk
but so cool moment there
Stage 9: Communion With Cairne
Walk with Cairne and Baine.
whole cedar
Yeah they just stood there and apparently for the person who did the video, the dialogue did not even happen at all. Definitely something broken on Blizzard's part
mystic heart
yea 100% blizzard issue
I record this questline and same shit 😦
finite wagon
mechagon looking good
smoky mural
whole cedar
I think its for the norgannon quest in mechagon, you need to defeat replicas of some bosses
smoky mural
oh ok
night swift
Wait can mechagon actually let you modify your body lol
Or is that the moddable gear thing
ionic terrace
it's the trinket yea
night swift
Gotcha
uncut vault
chromie phasing got bugged a bit, dont know if this is intentional from blizzard, but its funny
dense plover
#Feelsintentionalman
oak wing
Where can one get that?
gilded forge
Mechagon
exotic sand
I hope this is two-handed sword?😬
oak wing
Thank you.
gilded forge
you are welcome
tropic trail
bd
lucid steeple
uncut vault
Me too, especially considering it clearly works as a mount
but that'd just make the gap between gnome and tauren rewards even bigger
custom flight whistle is far superior to "summon a spirit animal you dont get to choose for four seconds"
uncut vault
PTR realms are offline, weird
barren latch
I watched it yesterday
dense plover
Also the link seemed shady
barren latch
Just ping me (or us) if you see more
dense plover
Ok
dense plover
I can’t even see it until Thursday - that’s what really sucks
Good thing my phone doesn’t auto play gifs
barren latch
Scary 
dense plover
I turned it off on purpose
barren latch
We went to the first available airing lol Were too scared 😂 anyways I'm offtopic-ing here, sorry'bout that 😄
dense plover
It’s 👌
lone marten
Hype hype hype
pale basin
Does anyone know if the transmog changes made it to the ptr yet?
unreal minnow
How long it will be down?
foggy abyss
No clue
dense plover
My guess is Monday or Tuesday
pulsar iris
if its the you can hide everything but pants, yes. it is on ptr already
it was the first thing i tried lol
ionic terrace
whole cedar
looks like its going to be a no ptr weekend 😦
zealous basalt
Yamete
pale basin
aww yes! i'm glad it's there.
lone marten
I love how its the Zandalari and Kul'Tiras ships that have crashed down in nazjatar
It really makes the race feel part of the Horde
vernal juniper
is the ptr offline?
upper remnant
yes
uncut vault
Shame, I wanted to test the mechagon guards for the guard day
though, looks like they didnt even do it for kul tiras or zandalar
jade basalt
Ankoan look so much better in video and animated. Also their skin glows ! https://youtu.be/wALF6yV5vjo?t=165
dense plover
eh, models are generally okay
zones usually not
uncut vault
their textures are very low quality, it seems
similar to the new female gilgoblin, looks like they tried to maintain the original texture's look
make them similar to jinyu
terse patrol
ye, not allied race material. @uncut vault
dense plover
i mean, kind of guaranteed - they dont support most armor, most of the customization options are impossible with helmets, and they lack animations