because as far as we know, sylvanas sends the horde champion with some other characters into the sea
#beta-ptr-spoilers
zealous basalt
that dragon fled
shell arch
That whiser tho
pulsar iris
and the alliance knows about it and tries to intercept us on open sea
shell arch
Everyone was so sure its about Tyrande lol
shell arch
Whisper*
eager cave
what happens with the alex part of the quest?
indigo laurel
You win, but the twilight dragon flees
uncut vault
its interesting that these all seem to correlate to the deaths of chromie
pulsar iris
bastards at blizzard planned so much ahead
zealous basalt
You sweep her ass
sullen dawn
chekovs gun 😉
calm garden
isint it obvious that n'zoth has been carefully leading the faction's info a trap?
fathom mason
mystic heart
Do u have access to Obsidian Sanctum quest?
mystic heart
@zealous basalt do u have quest from chromie?
mystic heart
try relog maybe some quest is up
jade basalt
I noticed something about this model..
https://i.imgur.com/6lJnZyr.png
https://i.imgur.com/KUCC1Nk.png
limber mural
i am curious where mechagon shows on the map
does anyone have a picture of that for me real quick
sullen dawn
aspirant sets look nicer than raid sets so far imo
sullen dawn
looking forward to seeing leather aspirant. hoping for some more pirate mog
dark furnace
@limber mural
daring dune
tropic trail
i wonder where Nazjatar will be..
limber mural
ok let's see this mail and be disappointed as hell
tropic trail
I wish they would answer “why is mail gear ass”
foggy abyss
Cloth looks amazing
dark furnace
Yikes
tropic trail
zealous basalt
I suppose King Mechagon kills everyone that isn't a gnome
tropic trail
I’m so happy you can hide gloves
uncut vault
Im happy the aspects are getting involved
zealous basalt
Spits drink
daring dune
What is the Chromie quest?
jolly valve
Yalnu is probably just for the brawlers guild
tropic trail
Lel you get a legendary essence from killing mythic queen azshara.
daring dune
Ye, they said lfr - green essence, normal - rare, heroic - purple and myth - legendary
tropic trail
I’m glad you can get it from other things because I’m never going to get that one lol
daring dune
But how it works in pvp i dunno
zealous basalt
...
daring dune
Nazjatar warfront??
zealous basalt
MECHAGON IS JUST RIGHT THERE
mystic heart
looks like warfront
uncut vault
warfronts arent PvP
mystic heart
ah
daring dune
Still waiting for Silvermoon warfront
zealous basalt
never going to happen
daring dune
:(
languid yoke
yeah there were mentions of open pvp events in nazjatar like hellfire peninsula towers
or warden towers in Legion
mystic heart
New Zone: Nazjatar
Explore the new zone including quest lines, World Quests, and World PvP Events focused on strengthening alliances with the new aquatic races
daring dune
tropic trail
@daring dune Cool video! Hmm. When I put it in Full Screen via Discord, it was capping at 360p. Did I configure something wrong on my end, or is it normal to have to open it on YouTube to get it at 1080p? Ah. Something about "Missing options" within the Browser when I click the link. Youtube via Edge Browser is working as expected. 😃
jade basalt
https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2019/april/planes01.jpg
https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2019/april/algans.jpg
https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2019/april/variousBots.jpg
https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2019/april/gnomercy.jpg
daring dune
Not my video, it was upload 10 mins ago, so probably high res isnt available right now
@tropic trail
zealous basalt
well
tropic trail
Ah. Thank you, @daring dune . High Res is fine, just have to open it in Edge and manually select. 😃
zealous basalt
time to pause it until the next quests of the heart of azeroth are in
tranquil steeple
Recently uploaded videos are usually capped at 360p or 480p, then 5-10 min later they get more options depending on what dimensions the video was recorded in
tropic trail
Got it. Thank you, Sela. I need to grab some food here, then I'll get to watching it. If I can keep pace with Discord messages, too that is hehe.
daring dune
I was watching stream on youtube, and man was killing rare big mecha spider, the desigh of this creature was really amazing
tranquil steeple
now you're making me want to try and pull an all-nighter instead of... well, sleeping, and go through PTR stuff myself
more than I already want to try out the new Azerite system and whatnot else, of course
zealous basalt
what a mess
daring dune
720p
tranquil steeple
not graphics, picture quality
tropic trail
Oh it’s from that.
daring dune
Ye
tropic trail
Even worse lmfao
tropic trail
Imagine, we will soon be able to fly a seahorse
tranquil steeple
if you can, PM me the link and I'll grab a screencap
tropic trail
And it drops off rares
Also a lot of mounts come from quests
It’s like a dream come true
runic verge
FROST DK using [Lucid Dreams] amidst rotation to increase breath duration https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/243742396653895681/567844138788323331/2019-04-16_19-47-32.mp4
tranquil steeple
can only do so much with 720p being streamed.. also looks like low bitrate or whatever was used, but this might be a bit clearer
tropic trail
Thanks, Sela. I can see it better there. Will that be a mechanical, tameable model, I wonder?
tranquil steeple
maybe there'll be a non-rare elite version that can be tamed somewhere
we'll see
tropic trail
Fair enough. 😃
tulip sun
uncut vault
oh nice, theyre actually doing stuff
zealous basalt
So
We need to level up the collar to have the dragons' aid
Someone should compare the epic to legendary visuals
uncut vault
Do people have the legendaries yet?
dense plover
Is mechagon awesome or lame so far? I had to leave a while ago so I haven’t done that yet
uncut vault
Im waiting till tonight to test it
so all the people who are mainly just there for the flashy new stuff are gone
dense plover
Smart
tropic trail
Oh dear. Was the eye candy beam factor not optimized and causing fps drops? I hate when eye candy is given too great a stat weight. I agree with peach - good plan.
tropic trail
Just too crowded? That's always another factor. 😃
zealous basalt
but my pc is not great and having 10 people at the same time doing it kinda killed it
dense plover
That’s normal for ptr
Finding this out now is why we test
That way it can be fixed
tropic trail
Ah, fair enough. I jumped to a conclusion. My apologies. Yeah, testing it is important. If I could drag myself away from Live and maybe a little Wc3 later, I might consider it. 😃
dense plover
You have to remember that blizzard is using really good computers so they miss out on stuff that is poorly optimized unless it’s VERY poorly optimized
It’s one of the biggest parts of testing for ptr
Optimization, and other tech stuff
tropic trail
Ahhh. Makes good sense. So they do rely on the end users to help them determine what needs to be optimized/toned down.
dense plover
Like changes to lighting, multithreaded, or DX12 that all happened earlier in the expac
Well you automatically send some feedback if you crash or if your game runs really poorly I think
And people report frameratw bugs
tropic trail
For people with less powerful gaming machines. If I may ask, where would the appropriate section be to post about PC stats? I used to drop under 30 FPS for that flying world boss in the lower-right alliance map - the large bird thing with the popup fight mechanic (whirlwind things).
dense plover
Tho it’s not entirely accurate since the amount of people in mechagon likely isn’t equivalent to actual launch because sharding isn’t effective on ptr
All 5 servers are full of people
And that stresss is important for testing
tropic trail
Fair point.
dense plover
Most world bosses are laggy because you have 40 people worth of spell fx
That’s why I always turn my settings down during world boss fights
Mainly particle density
tropic trail
Makes sense, but I mean, I kinda paid a bit more than I really needed to for this PC, I do not push my in-game settings extremely high, and my performance was awful. I haven't had an opportunity to test again recently. Might have been preventing CPU "stock-overclock" settings (a somewhat roundabout method involving Windows 10's Power Settings as the Bios with this factory-assembled PC was, uh, lacking). Might have been too fast of updates on Details! Damage Meter (I know damage meters can be a CPU hog - I have it update only once every 3s now).
zealous basalt
I put it at mid to high
jolly valve
bring my CALIA
zealous basalt
no
dense plover
Details 100% makes it worse
jolly valve
i need my holy waifu
fossil sparrow
awe I like chromies message when she shows up in the Heart
dense plover
Doubtful calia will be in this expac
zealous basalt
WHAT
jolly valve
i bet calia will be cute
zealous basalt
WHAT MESSAGE
dense plover
She is the equivalent of the void flower in emerald nightmare
zealous basalt
grabs Radien and raises overcharged heart of azeroth
dense plover
A prelude to next expac
zealous basalt
YOU BETTER TALK
jolly valve
mrpeach the derek proudmoore stuff eludes directly to her
zealous basalt
HOW DO YOU UNLOCK CHROMIE
jolly valve
they arent dropping his plotline right there
fossil sparrow
you have to finish the quest line and she shows up
zealous basalt
HAX
jolly valve
the void flower wasnt a new model
dense plover
Also, she’s like 40+
jolly valve
and jaina is cute
dense plover
Jaina is not cute
fossil sparrow
@zealous basalt she says she's early ... for once and not to worry there's going to be more to do soon
dense plover
Baby naga are cute
jolly valve
jainas fuckin cute
tropic trail
jaina and cute? 🤢
zealous basalt
She wasn't there when I finished that part
mighty wolf
Just remember. There is NO Old Gods in this expansion
fossil sparrow
she's standing next to Spiritwalker and Heartzertauren
zealous basalt
YES BUT SHE WASNT THERE
dense plover
Oh man
fossil sparrow
you might have missed something did you get the legendary item?
dense plover
I wonder if we are finally getting the chrome stuff they never picked up on
Chromie
dense plover
Hmmm
tulip sun
I wonder if we will get a gilblin and ankoan champion
zealous basalt
o
edgy stream
can anyone in here confirm whether the Plate PvP sets on the WoWHead article they put up today are swapped?
fossil sparrow
@edgy stream not swapped
edgy stream
So the plate sets are different based on faction instead of Gladiator/Aspirant? 🤔
fossil sparrow
the alliance gladiator they have posted is wrong though
edgy stream
Oh i see. yeah that's the one i was questioning.
fossil sparrow
the horde Aspirant they have posted is the alliance gladiator
tranquil steeple
all I know is that the cloth pvp head is god damn SWEET
jolly valve
man thrall looks so cool
i hope he becomes warchief again
it'd be interestingg is Baine died to get thrall go be warchief again
zealous basalt
DOES SOMEONE HAVE THE LEGENDARY VERSIONS ALREADY
jolly valve
there were no trolls set up either
then again baine just got a new model, idk if he'd die
a couple patches after receiving a facelift
tulip sun
Makore
zealous basalt
Do you have the legendaries
tulip sun
No
zealous basalt
GROAN
dapper talon
I'm not sure, Varian had very fresh model around Legion for the cinematics and poof
he's gone.
frigid crater
zealous basalt
i told you
tulip sun
What's gone
mystic heart
I have legendary essence but I need quest with chromie
terse patrol
@dense plover Could be how Azshara raises Nazjatar. or a side effect.
zealous basalt
I want legendary focusing iris
dense plover
no no
the skybox is related to the scenario i think
its in the vermillion redoubt
and i think the maelstrom thing is a bug
how do i order supplies for horde mechagon intro?
the goblin lady wont stop running around
tulip sun
Are there requirements to start mechagon?
harsh horizon
Any spoiler at PTR about "N'zoth's gift" choice?
uncut vault
copied characters dont keep the gift, sadly
ionic terrace
I assume people have seen the Blacktalon Watcher in Neth's lair during the quest?
tulip sun
Oh my gosh
tropic trail
Pad, I saw someone post a screenshot of it earlier today. I don't recall the exact timestamp, but I did notice mention of it. There were a LOT of messages to read. 😃
tulip sun
The naga architecture and kal'dorei ruins are magnificent!
harsh horizon
could be cool to see something "special to player who keep "N'zoth's gift" in 8.2
dense plover
mechagon is so fucking cool looking
zealous basalt
no its not
its a really shitty area made up at last second because blizz is desperated for new subs but they figured we were going to still pay their game
harsh horizon
well, I enjoy everything that I see about 8.2, except War Lore, It seems to be like MoP again 😦
zealous basalt
because all you guys know is mop lore because it was the only xpac where things got serious and interesting unlike the other xpacs
/s
harsh horizon
everyone knows that the story will change on next patchs, but we are playing more than half expansion as "MoP 2.0" :S
harsh horizon
I dont like repeat a story, well... I will keep hope
unborn glacier
probably with the sockets
uncut vault
foggy abyss
zealous basalt
EI PEACH
LOL
Someone said
"This island is made of all the ideas blizz had for WoD"
dense plover
well, thats all the mechagon quests for today
i imagine they change daily
no WQs yet
there was 1 to kill some elites
but i imagine more are planned
zealous basalt
Wonder if gnomes have different interactions
dense plover
apparently mechagon has a hardmode
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
calm garden
hey look whos back our old friend cap'n placeholder
zealous basalt
this is a new level in references
foggy abyss
zealous basalt
tbh i liked mechagon more than the other areas
and the way how they introducemechagnomes
zealous basalt
i cant get chromie
zealous basalt
she gonna die
steel venture
shush im like fanning over the cavaliers and new elite guardsmen
steel venture
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/836181.jpg
which yeah these are guys
i thought they were gals at first and i was kinda disappointed
but the info they're actually guys is like
oh hey
thats actually brand friggin' new and unseen before
elven-ish male naga.
zealous basalt
traps
steel venture
🛑
steel venture
yeah, they seem to be arcanist guardsmen.
azshara keeps her pretty boys in nazjatar
steel venture
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/836086.jpg
i'm also honestly in love with the cavaliers.
like, i was hype when they were previewed but it seems like both them and these new guardsmen both are going to be semi-common sights in nazjatar. the guardsmen have way more anims than needed if they were only showing up in the raid, and the cavaliers have several unarmored types + extra colors.
zealous basalt
these effects
are cool
honestly
I dont understand Vision of Perfection for monks
Ah nvm
it just had a stupid low %
tulip sun
ionic terrace
I need one last fish for the secret fish thing, and I can't find it for the life of me
tidal stone
@zealous basalt do you know the names of those npc’s who reference junkrat and roadhog? Please tell me it’s roadtrogg and junkgnome
merry briar
meager zodiac
um, it seems lorthermar and thalyssra take the charge, as predicted
it seems its a night elf, but not tyrande
wich is disapoiting, but expected
tropic trail
@meager zodiac "it's a night elf, but not tyrande" in what context? Just curious.
meager zodiac
the datamined text from wowhead
tropic trail
Oh. The stuff about bringing ruin?
meager zodiac
there is an altercation betwen thalyssra and a nelf, where tyrande is referenced
no
and it makes it seem tyrande isnt present in the island
so im skeptical of her apearence
tropic trail
Oh. Wasn't aware. Interesting, none the less. 😃
meager zodiac
but of course, subject to change, yada yada, but as of now tyrande doesnt seem to be anywhere
tropic trail
Inb4 she's on the moon. 😁
meager zodiac
its not that suprising, they forget about relevant characthers all the time
tropic trail
Unknown_Male: So Lor'themar shows his true colors at last.
Unknown_Male: A pity he has sided with Baine, but I am not entirely surprised. This is not his first betrayal.
Unknown_Male: Play along for now. I'll send word ahead. These traitors are in for a surprise once they reach Bloodhoof.```I knew it!
"Play along for now"
fuck off
what a lazy quest design
"choices will matter" my ass
runic verge
https://www.wowhead.com/news=291258/customizable-ring-set-bonuses-from-mechagon-logic-loops-and-bit-bands this is nice
daring dune
Ye, interesting idea
but there is no rings for physical dmg classes
maybe they will add something later
indigo laurel
Mhm, I'm a bit dejected about all the reveals at the moment. sfz
"Just play along" is getting old. I had hoped for a bit more when they promised meaningful decisions
mighty wolf
Why theres no button to create max level char?🤔
indigo laurel
I think this could have been a nice point for the loyalist storyline to diverge, because after Baine, if you are loyalist, Nathanos could just send you to Nazjatar to work "on the true plan" regardless.
While if you are a traitor, you just go back to Lor'themar and work with him.
vestal wing
But can you do the content together when you took different paths?
indigo laurel
Yeah. I mean, as far as I can tell, Lor'tehmar works on Sylvannas orders against azshara up to the point of the end of the raid
And if you are a rebel, you know that Lor'Themar has ordered you to free baine, so you probably feel fine working with him as well
I mean, at the current rate, what will be the point where there is divergence? Will there come a quest where it says "Okay, we will now attack and imprison Sylvannas" and she says "okay, jsut go along with what they want"?
"If you need to kill me to maintain your cover, just do it. Your continued spy reports are more important than mesurviving." - Sylvanas
tropic trail
For those curious about the new Vision of Protection Essence and what abilities it impacts for other specs:
https://i.imgur.com/OgK7lZD.png
smoky mural
dense plover
Confirmed that what we saw in the footage was the tidestone
“We will not get another opportunity like this. We must seize the Tidestone from Azshara's grasp.”
“The Tidestone of Golganneth! That must be how she was able to part the sea!
The naga incursions must have been a distraction. But if the Tidestone can manipulate that much water, we are all in grave danger. She could flood Nazjatar in an instant.
We cannot allow that to happen. We must find a way to break the barrier and secure the Tidestone.”
Also, confirmed that not all bloodelves are helping sylvanas
“Lor'themar: Were it not for the Horde, the remaining sin'dorei might have died out against the Scourge.
Lor'themar: Garrosh nearly severed the bond between us, but in the end it held strong.
Lor'themar: Now that bond is threatened by another warchief... one whom I once knew well.
Lor'themar: My people will not abandon the Horde, nor will we stand idle as it is destroyed from within.
Lor'themar: Rendezvous with our allies and rescue Baine. We will deal with the consequences as they come.”
tropic trail
Unknown_Female: Sylvanas ordered the execution of Baine Bloodhoof. Anduin sent us into Orgrimmar to rescue him.
Unknown_Male: You risked your lives to save a leader of the Horde?!
Unknown_Female: After what he did for Derek, I felt I owed him a debt. We received some unexpected help from Saurfang... and Thrall.
Unknown_Female: You were fortunate that you were not betrayed. Presenting your heads might have regained their warchief's favor.
Unknown_Female: We had a common enemy. Sylvanas wanted us at each other's throats. Perhaps that's what Azshara wants, too.
Unknown_Male: Hold on... Are you suggesting we lay down our arms and fight beside them? After all they've done?!
Unknown_Female: No. Merely that we direct our efforts against Azshara instead of the Horde. That could buy time for Saurfang's rebellion to take root.
Unknown_Female: There must be vengeance for Teldrassil. But if Azshara is not stopped, she will unleash her master upon the world.
Unknown_Male: Very well. We will focus on defeating the naga queen. But if the Horde turns against us, they will answer for it.```Unknown_Female: Is it? Not long ago, Alliance and Horde fought together to liberate Suramar from the Legion.
Unknown_Male: Cooperation between our sides has been the exception, not the rule. More often, we are at each other's throats.
Unknown_Female: His life spared for one he saved.
Unknown_Female: I am sorry for what happened to your people in Dalaran. The response was... Harsh.
Unknown_Female: Perhaps we do not need to. It might be enough to direct our attacks against Azshara rather than the Alliance.
Unknown_Male: That plan would infuriate Blightcaller... which makes me like it all the more. Hmm... "It stops when you turn from one another and walk away..."
Unknown_Female: Yes. We also have a history of setting differences aside to fight greater foes.
Unknown_Male: A lesson once taught to Jaina Proudmoore and me. Your counsel is wise, Thalyssra. Our focus must be on ending Azshara's reign.
Unknown_Female: A truce then? We fight Azshara here, not one another.
Unknown_Male: But if the Alliance undermines our efforts, the flames of war will rise again.
Unknown_Male: We may have found common cause here in Nazjatar, but the battle still rages beyond these waters. So long as Sylvanas holds Orgrimmar, there can be no lasting peace.
Unknown_Female: The war needs to end, Lor'themar. You know this to be true.
Unknown_Male: I had hoped that reason would prevail. But the time has come to finish this.
Unknown_Male: I will tell my people what transpired here. Of how Azshara fell because we stood together. Of the threat rising from the depths, and all that is at stake if we should fail.
Unknown_Male: Then I will take my place beside Saurfang and Thrall, and pray that the sin'dorei stand with me.```Unknown_Female: Would you entrust it to Tyrande? Perhaps she needs it to invoke yet another forbidden ritual.
Unknown_Female: It breaks a queen's heart to watch her subjects squabble. Such a futile argument. In the end, you will all be mine again--one way or another.
Unknown_Female: Though our kingdoms stand divided, we share contempt for you, Azshara.
Unknown_Female: You see? We have found common ground already. Dear children, it is only a matter of time until you kneel before my throne. As a willing subject... or a broken corpse.
Unknown_Female: So long as Azshara controls the Tidestone, she has the advantage over us.
Unknown_Female: Its power should be turned against her--not against each other.
Unknown_Female: Agreed. Perhaps these ruins hold the key to striking down our common foe.```Anduin and Jaina Talk
Unknown_Male: Jaina, $p. We are faced with a dire situation.
Unknown_Male: Our spies report that the Banshee plans to execute Baine Bloodhoof.
Unknown_Male: We must rescue him at once. I know what I ask of you. To infiltrate Orgrimmar--
Unknown_Female: I'll do it.
Unknown_Male: Are you certain? It's an immense risk.
Unknown_Female: Baine defied his warchief by returning Derek to us. He's risked more than anyone.
Unknown_Female: I know how hard it is to offer an open hand when the rest of your people have drawn swords.
Unknown_Female: If Baine dies, then the last of the Horde's honor dies with him, murdered by the Banshee Queen.
Unknown_Female: We will have lost any hope of ending this war peacefully. And peace is worth the risk.
Unknown_Male: Thank you, Jaina. There isn't much time, so make haste. May the Light be with you all.```Unknown_Male: My vision was of Baine. He was imprisoned alone, encircled by enemies.
Unknown_Male: A figure emerged from the shadows. The warchief.
Unknown_Male: She gave the word, and Baine... was executed.
Unknown_Male: The spirits whisper that he will be slain before the next sunrise.
Unknown_Male: So we are at a crossroads once again, and we have little time to make our choice.
Loth'remar Briefs Player on Quest to Free Baine
Unknown_Male: Were it not for the Horde, the remaining sin'dorei might have died out against the Scourge.
Unknown_Male: Garrosh nearly severed the bond between us, but in the end it held strong.
Unknown_Male: Now that bond is threatened by another warchief... one whom I once knew well.
Unknown_Male: My people will not abandon the Horde, nor will we stand idle as it is destroyed from within.
Unknown_Male: Rendezvous with our allies and rescue Baine. We will deal with the consequences as they come.```Unknown_Male: So Lor'themar shows his true colors at last.
Unknown_Male: A pity he has sided with Baine, but I am not entirely surprised. This is not his first betrayal.
Unknown_Male: Play along for now. I'll send word ahead. These traitors are in for a surprise once they reach Bloodhoof.
After the Mission (I Assume If the Player Told Nathanos)
Unknown_Male: Saurfang, Thrall, the Alliance... it is vexing to know our quarry escaped. But we must trust in the warchief's plan.
Unknown_Male: Soon your loyalty will face an even greater test. I do hope you prove worthy of the Dark Lady's favor.
Unknown_Male: I have been recalled to Orgrimmar. Remain in Nazjatar. Keep playing along with these traitorous vipers... until you are summoned.```This is starting to feel interesting
At least some leaders realize that Aszhara is a danger
dense plover
This is 100% where we are starting to see Golden’s impact on the story
zealous basalt
HOW DID SHE GOT THE TIDESTONE OF GOLGANETH
tropic trail
I dont know, I wish I could be optimistic like you guys
we kill Azshara and then straight after the rebellion begins
zealous basalt
We are just reading it correctly
tropic trail
Nathanos is calling the loyalist just to go and pretend to be a part of teh rebellion
zealous basalt
I mean
Dude
Can you think?
You are wanting to be left out of the Nazjatar content
What did you expect?
zealous basalt
"Champion, dont go with the rebellion and stay with us, we need you to sabotage the Alliance"
tropic trail
oh I expect exactly this
zealous basalt
Reminds me of the octolings
tropic trail
its just, if youre a dev lead designer and tell me that our choices will be important and matters, Im awaiting more then just "go and pretend be a part of them"
zealous basalt
Because you are getting desperate
zealous basalt
Like heck
If you are loyalist you already lost a part of the content
Do you want to be left out completely?
zealous basalt
Because it seems that Sylvanas doesnt care about Aszhara
inner copper
oh gosh
tropic trail
or atleast I want to feel like what Im doing matters
zealous basalt
So you dont want to do Nazjatar and instead focus in something else?
tropic trail
ther rebellion starts after we are done with Azshara
zealous basalt
Unlikely
tropic trail
read* what I quoted
zealous basalt
Considering we will have a bigger problem at hand
zealous basalt
Crocodile + Anglerfish
tropic trail
Unknown_Female: For all her lies, Priscilla Ashvane spoke one truth. The war between the Alliance and Horde has kept us distracted. Divided, we have no hope against N'Zoth.
Unknown_Male: We may have found common cause here in Nazjatar, but the battle still rages beyond these waters. So long as Sylvanas holds Orgrimmar, there can be no lasting peace.
Unknown_Female: The war needs to end, Lor'themar. You know this to be true.
Unknown_Male: I had hoped that reason would prevail. But the time has come to finish this.
Unknown_Male: I will tell my people what transpired here. Of how Azshara fell because we stood together. Of the threat rising from the depths, and all that is at stake if we should fail.
Unknown_Male: Then I will take my place beside Saurfang and Thrall, and pray that the sin'dorei stand with me.
zealous basalt
Yeah
But if you know how to read you can realize he is talking about what will happen if everything goes correctly
Honestly
Do you think that after Aszhara everything will be...back to normal?
What does guarantee that Nzoth will noy be released?
tropic trail
no, Im just telling you that right after Azshara the rebellion begins
Nzoth will be released
zealous basalt
And yet you believe that yhe rebellion will begin and the rebellion and the loyalist will fight when there is an old god released?
tropic trail
what?
zealous basalt
Because if thats the case then what Lor'themar said here doesnt make sense to focus on a bigger threat
tropic trail
I told you that Im annoyed that I have to do the same quest as the saurfang loyalist , as an sylvanas loyalist
like it was with baine and derek
tropic trail
yea thats the point. I said that I thought it will be more, then just pretending to be a part of the other side, when the lead designer told me "your choices will matter and be important"
that was my point
zealous basalt
Its going to be, in the end
zealous basalt
Remember that being a sylvanas loyalist was a last minute thing
tropic trail
yea I remember it
zealous basalt
It wont surprise me if until the last moment you get relevant content
Although it will suit you well
Undead loyalist
spits on the ground you are going to end in the spikes of Orgrimmar
But no, i hope the Horde actually solves this for themselves
Make sylvanas use that dead brain to realize the war is not helping a shit and when Azeroth is healed the Azerite wont work anymore
Because that's whats bugs me
tropic trail
well Im hoping that Voljin will bring us the answer that could change sylvanas mind+
zealous basalt
They think Azerite has infinite power when it only works while Azeroth is wounded
tropic trail
but to be honest
that quote from the new raid
it looks like they going full villain with her
zealous basalt
Vol'jin said that he doesnt care
tropic trail
or making her corrupted or what ever
zealous basalt
She has a void dagger
She wouldnt be corrupted, per say, but to other eyes thats fishy
Pun not intended
tropic trail
<As you present the dagger to Sylvanas, a faint smile curls her lips. For the briefest moment, it seems her eyes darken. A trick of the light, no doubt.>
Im talking about this quote
generic villain reaction
tropic trail
also, we actually dont have any line (yet) about Sira or Delaryn... interesting
blizz said there will come more about them. Im curious what it will be
flint meteor
man i hope azshara dont die
supple grotto
It's sad that character we were waiting for and was hyped for a long time dissapears just after appearing in the lore again, while some characters many people are tired of are still in the lore trend
zealous basalt
She got it earned tho
harsh horizon
bad Lore writers... Sorry, I enjoy a lot of things about BFA, but War Campaign is so ugly. Yes, it will change but we are at middle of expansion living this, so much time. Helping Jaina like Horde? Another Civil War? ...
smoky mural
Not MOp 2.0 gUys
zealous basalt
Doesnt feel like could be a real war tbh
I bet she is just going to go back to her shadows
dense plover
Middle of the expansion is usually where stuff gets better
5.2, 6.2, 7.2
Throne of Thunder
Hellfire Citadel
Tomb of Sargeras
All great patches that fixed a lot of the problems with the expansion
Hellfire citadel was the only one that didn’t really succeed because the base expac was flawed
dense plover
But it did what it could
8.2 so far fixes a lot of what is wrong and we haven’t even gotten nazjatar or the WQ fixes
Mechagon is really fucking cool
With WQs, it will be fun as hell
The essence system is pretty great
dense plover
And the story stuff, which I imagine will be drip fed is great
zealous basalt
To get its ilvl a lil up
dense plover
It probably does have that
zealous basalt
Or like, be like the artifact
dense plover
My guess is through some kind of upgrade system
zealous basalt
because so far the pinch cards don't give ilvl
dense plover
That isn’t in yet
zealous basalt
just stats
zealous basalt
Yeah
dense plover
It’s almost definitely going to have a way to upgrade it
zealous basalt
it would be a nice perma trink
dense plover
My guess is through Pascal
dense plover
This patch has a lot of potential assuming that the major abilities you get from essences don’t all start at rank 3 (don’t think they will), world quests are interesting, unique, and implemented in mechagon as well (I fucking hope so), and that nazjatar and the bodyguard system is fun
zealous basalt
if only they could let us test the legendary versions of the essences
dense plover
It’s buggy
zealous basalt
Also peach
dense plover
It’ll work eventually
zealous basalt
We get them via tasks
Like the Focusing Iris? You get it completing a mythic + and poening the chest
And the legendary version is get when you get Keystone Master
You know, that0s interesting
I am liking 8.2 so far
Also the dragon stuff
I love it
I wonder if that titanic complex is in the Dragon Isles
zealous basalt
below Aszhara's palace?
dense plover
There’s broadcast text where npcs mention Nzoth and azshara wanting to free him maybe
They talk about the chains I think
It’s weird
Read mmo champs stuff
zealous basalt
wonder if they are going to add a different loading screen for mechagon
and hopefully an spanish map
dense plover
Think so
It doesn’t have music right now either
No music in this build
This might be one of the largest patches ever data wise
zealous basalt
How do you think the music style is going to be?
dense plover
I expect mechagon to be similar to gnomeregan mixed with motherlode
And maybe some stuff from mimiron
zealous basalt
what the fuck
dense plover
Nazjatar will probably sound similar to vashjir music mixed with recent crucible music
zealous basalt
look at that hp bar
umbral lake
question, can we get our hands on this fishing pole or is it npc only?
dense plover
And maybe some night elf stuff mixed in
Oh
You drag the box to a thing
And it explodes
zealous basalt
everyone seems to attack it
dense plover
@umbral lake it is probably tied to one of the fishing achieves
I don’t know tho
Yeah you need to move the box
umbral lake
not one of the current fishing achievs added so far
they awards the secret fish googles and the ocean toy
which is why I'm asking
dense plover
Oh
I guess not then
Could be tied to a wuestline
It’s honestly hard to know
Data is a bit fucked right now
And we have only had the patch for a day
I would ask Muffinus on Twitter
You might get an answer
dense plover
I had the same problem
I would honestly post a pic on feedback
And explain that people don’t understand how it works
And that it’s not logical
zealous basalt
zealous basalt
the overlay
dense plover
What’s wrong with it?
zealous basalt
cant see that part of the map
dense plover
There nothing there
And report the bug
You might be able to mouse over and press F6
It’ll say so
zealous basalt
me swiming
and i forgot i equiped my mount with water walk
what the fuck
this is new
ionic terrace
Anyone get the Grime-Coated Disc
candid palm
Yep
ionic terrace
It’s from collecting four types of items from the elite area and combining them then cleaning it like in gnomer
Gives a quest that you can’t turn in yet lol
Npc is there but it’s the wrong version
zealous basalt
elite area?
inner copper
AWWW!
zealous basalt
Think Pirates, Sea Monsters, Robots is bugged?
tulip sun
This dialogue from nazjatar is really...interesting
Shandris leads the attack on the night elf side
indigo laurel
I'm still a bit miffed about Jaina becoming such a big role so soon again. At least have her sit out one patch cycle after we did so much to fight her.
It feels quite underwhelming for her fight having so much hype
I mean, I don't want to start another faction bias argument, but the alliance get to kill their final boss. We don't even seem to mildly inconvenience ours
terse patrol
They wouldn’t resolve her issues just to kill her, that’d be dumb.
Like it or not, Rastakhan was always doomed.
His lore-pre BFA paints the picture of an ineffectual leader whose empire is falling apart.
@indigo laurel
indigo laurel
Oh, I don't want to kill her.
I think i even especially wrote "have her sit out a patch cycle" like, shes wounded and needs to recover
uncut vault
I mean, I’d rather she just get her own alliance story
indigo laurel
Or something. Not like the very first quest of the enxt patch being "oh, hi, jaina. Long time no see, elts work together"
uncut vault
And not have to force all horde players to work with her
Makes no sense why a Zandalari or blood elf would want to work with her in this
indigo laurel
Or you know, Forsaken
tulip sun
Jaina features in the new war campaign And nazjatar fml
indigo laurel
But thats not really the point I was trying to make. Its more like:
We follow her through a raid to the final fight, there is much build-up to it. We beat her down from 100% to nearly zero. Give all we have, basically.
And she doesn't even seem to get slowed down at all
flint meteor
so nzoth prison is rly under the eternal palace or what?
dense plover
Partially? Maybe?
We don’t know
All we have is broadcast text and a few pics
Once Nazjatar is open we might know more
loud flame
i'm waiting for it to open to have an idea of the next allied races, since nazjatar rep is different between factions
dense plover
Vulpera looks very likely for horde
But mechagnomes might be a customization option
One of the things almost every mechagnome has as a discussion option is mechanization
dense plover
I don’t see why not. Have it be a toggle
uncut vault
the models as they are now do not work as a standalone playable race
zealous basalt
what could be the pair of the mechagnomes then?
dense plover
Pretty much what porter said
uncut vault
but the things like the head modifications are additions to both the gnome and mechagnome model, and can be overlaid very easily
loud flame
gilbin goblins?
dense plover
Probably not
uncut vault
plus, mechagnomes dont actually have any unique faces or skin tones, just hairstyles, rest are copy pasted from gnomes
dense plover
Again, vulpera seem likely
They have a brew fest mug
It could mean nothing
But it seems like it’s a possibility
loud flame
yeah but vulpera could be later
dense plover
Then it wouldn’t make sense to add the brewfest thing now
Could be they’re an allied race in 8.2.5. Brewfest is October right? So they could announce them at gamescom
Question is what do the alliance get. Mechagnomes seem unlikely as an allied race, especially with gnomes just now getting heritage armor
Ankoan aren’t setup for it
Idk what the alliance would get
loud flame
kthirs would be fun
dense plover
What are those?
loud flame
tentacle guys in stormsong
dense plover
Those aren’t a playable anything
Allied races are things that use existing skeletons, and are allied with the PCs
@sour burrow what do you think is the most likely allied race for alliance that isn’t mechagnomes (Prep wise, not sethrakk since I know that’s what you want but they don’t have the work done)
indigo laurel
Wasnt there speculation about the sethrak?
dense plover
Sethrakk don’t have the right animations
Their skeleton doesn’t support armor right
And they don’t have gender differences
All races in wow have gender differences
Unfortunately
indigo laurel
The 2nd one I wouldn't mind. I mean, fantasy races ftw.
If some are a bit more alien, cool
dense plover
It is cool
dense plover
But armor needs to be supported
zealous basalt
Future mechagon is scary
dense plover
And if they are going to do a race that doesn’t show gender, they would need one for each faction
And tortollan aren’t happening
indigo laurel
I don't really feel the need to have the same amount of non.gendered races betweenf actions.
zealous basalt
its a must
dense plover
So let’s say you are gender non binary
You want to have a character to represent yourself
Non gender races can do that
But if they only exist on one faction that’s bad
Because it forces the people to represent themselves with a specific faction
indigo laurel
Mhm, that seems a bit of a strange discussion. I mean, I am disctinctly human and I don't feel the need to represent that by being a human character. headscratch
dense plover
That’s not the same
Let me simplify
If you are male
And all the playable alliance characters were male, but the horde had only females
Now you might feel that even though you like the horde, you don’t feel represented by them
That’s bad
zealous basalt
You know...that statement gets invalidated by games like Tera
dense plover
Representation is important
Asian MMOs are weird
And aren’t targeted at the western market
zealous basalt
And you know
dense plover
IE the shitstorm over the the recent FFXIV races
zealous basalt
it also reminds me of when Belves could only be pallies in BC so if you wanted to be a pally and be horde you were forced to play belves
or if you wanted a plate bearer in a belf
dense plover
This isn’t something you can really have an opinion on. Representation in games is important, and forcing a gender non-physical race to only one faction would make a large section of the community upset
That’s just a fact
indigo laurel
Well, I surely don't mind them a gender-neutral race to both factions. I just don't see it as.....something that necessarily requries mirroring. But I guess if we have a big shitstorm about one faction having an additional toy, then youa r eprobably right
dense plover
Bingo
You have to have equal representation
Otherwise you are sectioning people off
zealous basalt
That would be just called Parity
indigo laurel
I mean, other potential Allied races as counterpart to the vuplera....maybe Giblins? I think they use the goblin-skeleton, no?
zealous basalt
and we are getting female giblisn too
zealous basalt
mechagoblins
dense plover
Lol
indigo laurel
blood void elves were horde too.
dense plover
Void elves were unexpected
indigo laurel
If they want to have giblins join the alliance, there is a way, I'm sure
zealous basalt
im not a fan of giblins tbh
dense plover
There’s definitely other choices out there
loud flame
bolvar is slacking on allied races
zealous basalt
You gotta redo the whole LK expac for that to happen
zealous basalt
And it just going to break the engine
dense plover
We aren’t making new DKs, and none of the allied races were in the right place for that to happen
A few were made on the broken shore
But not a ton
zealous basalt
but those were the stupid ones
not og
for me the most powerful dks are the 3rd gen
indigo laurel
Well, if we exclude Mechagnomes and Vulpera, the options become kinda narrow. I think Giblins are not that much unlikelier then most other options
dense plover
Gilblins are literally goblins with fins. No way they would do that
dense plover
Especially since they are working exclusively with the horde in 8.2
zealous basalt
you are saving a lot of issues with the stupid rule of parity
dense plover
I hope sethrakk happen
indigo laurel
Isn't the point of allied races that they are just "X with a twist" for the most part?
dense plover
But I don’t think they got any changes in this patch
So it’s complicated
Allied races need a reason to join
Gilblins have nothing in common with the alliance
At all
zealous basalt
honestly considering both alliance and horde do help the prince
dense plover
Generally they are actually evil
dense plover
Only the unshackled are the ones helping us
Hell, maybe they do a mechanization customization option for both factions
Gnomes and goblins
indigo laurel
Well, I think then we are kinda out of options, barring some dark horse
uncut vault
the quality of the new female gilgoblin model should tip you off that it isnt going to be playable
zealous basalt
steamwarriors
uncut vault
those are cata textures
loud flame
what about gills customization
uncut vault
only new thing is the hair, which is probably from the new goblin models
zealous basalt
Seriously tho
How horrible would be forced to be mechanized
am surprised Blizz didn't do a Raiden
reference
holy shit
there are a ton of dailies on Mechagon
indigo laurel
I just realized that Lor'Themar and Jaina leading their factions to an isolated island in search of a greater power and temporarily making a truce against abigger enemy is also a MOP parallel. This has to be intentional at this point
zealous basalt
But isn't Shandris the one leading them?
dense plover
They aren’t leading them
dense plover
Lorthemar and Nathanos are planning to attack the alliance
And then the shit hits the fan
So they end up in charge of the military there
tulip sun
Proudmoore and Shaw risked their lives to rescue Baine? Unexpected.
Thalyssra: Is it? Not long ago, Alliance and Horde fought together to liberate Suramar from the Legion.
Cooperation between our sides has been the exception, not the rule. More often, we are at each other's throats.
Thalyssra: His life spared for one he saved.
Thalyssra: I am sorry for what happened to your people in Dalaran. The response was... Harsh.
Thalyssra: Perhaps we do not need to. It might be enough to direct our attacks against Azshara rather than the Alliance.
That plan would infuriate Blightcaller... which makes me like it all the more. Hmm... "It stops when you turn from one another and walk away..."
Thalyssra: Yes. We also have a history of setting differences aside to fight greater foes.
A lesson once taught to Jaina Proudmoore and me. Your counsel is wise, Thalyssra. Our focus must be on ending Azshara's reign.
Thalyssra: A truce then? We fight Azshara here, not one another.
But if the Alliance undermines our efforts, the flames of war will rise again.
steel venture
the sea literally parts beneath them, more or less.
tulip sun
Thalyssra and Theron probably negotiating truce
steel venture
and thats what gets us trapped
dense plover
We don’t know who aThalyssra is talking to
dense plover
Yeah
tulip sun
Then a horde says that very last line
Genn, shandris and jaina are the confirmed involved alliance
Thalyssra, nathanos and Theron for horde
indigo laurel
I think Thalysra talks with Lor'themar in the dialogue above
tulip sun
Oh
I suppose it makes sense between them
Then there is this great section
Hmph. You fight well... for an elf.
And you fight well for a wolf.
Genn: Jaina! We have to find a safer location!
Jaina: Genn! There is a small cave ahead. It's not ideal, but at least there won't be naga coming out of the walls.
Genn: We'll follow your lead.
Jaina: This way!
Neptulon's favor! Just when our numbers wane, the battle is joined.
Our forces have been decimated. Many lives were lost to Azshara's trap. Our fleet is in ruins.
Thank you for your help against the naga. We must find shelter and regroup.
You cannot stay here. Azshara's reinforcements will find you.
Do you know of a defensible position?
I must trust that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The end of this conflict draws near... one way the other.
Spoken like someone who has been fighting for a very long time. We, too, understand the cost of war.
Genn fights alongside either thalyssra or theron.
And neptulon saves our asse
tropic trail
I really dont understand why the devs thought: "Hey , could be cool to do a lot of similarities in BfA like it was back in MoP "
Like
how someone can even think this would be a great idea?
dense plover
It isn’t over yet
There’s nothing wrong with story parallels when the story is different
tulip sun
I love this dialogue
dense plover
And it will be
tulip sun
All of it
Ah. Right on schedule as Sylvanas knew you would be.
We do not wish to end any more lives. Let us take Baine and go.
No, Traitor. Lady Proudmoore. Do you remember me?
I am Magister Hathorel, one of the many innocent Sunreaver mages you sicced your Silver Covenant dogs upon.
There was more violence than I had wished, but it was the Sunreavers who betrayed us, first.
A few who were following the orders of their lawful Warchief. As I do now.
I will hold the barrier. Kill them!
zealous basalt
But people like to complain
dense plover
There was no old god in mists, it was already dead
zealous basalt
Then revive it and kill it twice
tulip sun
He has the right to attack Jaina tbh.
dense plover
Their just wrong
zealous basalt
but calling garrosh 'lawful'?
zealous basalt
totally stupid
indigo laurel
I mean, selecting the Sunreavers to do it if you know Baines crime is cooperating with Jaina is probably a smart idea, generally
indigo laurel
Also generally not wrong
indigo laurel
Just use some fresh recruits that are idealistic and naive and that Saurfang probably doesn't want to cleave.
inner copper
omg so gorgeous
tulip sun
It seems they primarily just freeze the horde soldiers in place
zealous basalt
but there is no malfurion in Horde
tropic trail
Sylvanas was throwing Malfurion against trees like a lil bitch
so she should be able to one hit Saurfang too
inner copper
uh malfurion had sylvanas about to die
tropic trail
Im talking about "A good War"
tulip sun
Hmm. So apparently before the sea parted ways to interrupt them, the horde party was going to fight alliance...I wonder what the target was?
inner copper
i think Heldenmaid is on some STRONG weed
tropic trail
dont dude me
zealous basalt
Either stop or pass it
tropic trail
it is what it is
its what the a good war short story said
she threaw Malfurion with dark magic against a tree
zealous basalt
Malfurion almost killing Sylvanas is what caused Saurfang to attack him
tropic trail
then Saurfang hit him with an axe
zealous basalt
And before that Malfurion was manhandling her
Either read Elegy too or
Do some eye checkup
zealous basalt
Im talking about Elegy
tropic trail
no problem
zealous basalt
Quote Elegy too
tropic trail
And Im about a good war
tropic trail
so you want to tell me the quote from a good war is fake?
zealous basalt
Facepalms
tropic trail
as I said, she threw hin against a tree
tropic trail
no
zealous basalt
It's going to be a waste of time to argue over something that happened in two books at the same time and described differently
But the fact can't be denied
Malfurion was about to kill Sylvanas in that moment
Ask everyone here if you want
tropic trail
I was talking about the one thing, when she threw him with dark magic against a tree
and you come with malfurion was about killing her
dont change that she still threw him with dark magic
like a lil b
zealous basalt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tulip sun
Dudettes. Deeeeepppp breath.
tropic trail
and you starting to talk shit my dude, putting words into my mouth
indigo laurel
Mhm, I'm searching through elegy, but I don't find any description of the fight in question in there. The stories viewpoint ends with Malfurion ready to face her, thenc uts away to Tyrande and enxt thing we see is Tyrande arriving with malfurion already broken and Saurfang over him
tropic trail
violet and emerald green ahead.
There was a tremendous explosion of darkness, and then a rising sound of collapsing trees.
Saurfang ducked behind cover as an object flew through the air, bouncing off tree trunks before
slamming to a halt in the dirt only thirty feet away.
The object raised its head—his head.
Saurfang saw antlers. Without thinking, he threw his axe."```thats from A good War
tropic trail
right, you cant argue on a quoted fact from a novel
just call someone who is quoting canon novels a fanboy
thats what smart ppl do
zealous basalt
And just because Malf flew off you think she'd have killed him?
indigo laurel
I mean, if you say we should cite Elegies description of the scene.....its not in there (at least not that i can find it):
tropic trail
Did I say that?
indigo laurel
"He shifted form from stag to elf, sent out commands to rock and root and soil and leaf, and waited. And when she appeared, sensing him as he sensed her, elegant even in her undeath, he found that his union with things so much greater than he had taken away his fury, leaving only sorrow—for his people, for his beloved, and even for Sylvanas Windrunner.
“There will be no forgiveness for this, Sylvanas.”
“I know.” " - Then it cuts to Tyrande
tulip sun
Can we topic change
Zin-Azshari was once the capital of the night elves' empire.
These buildings have existed for millennia. We are fortunate, as this means there are ancient mechanisms that allow for stable portals.
Ah, here it is.
Queen Azshara might block my spells when she is here, but these devices allow us to overcome that.
Thalyssra. So the Horde sends its sorceress to plunder the treasures of Zin-Azshari--and seize the Tidestone for your warchief, no doubt.
Would you entrust it to Tyrande? Perhaps she needs it to invoke yet another forbidden ritual.
It breaks a queen's heart to watch her subjects squabble. Such a futile argument. In the end, you will all be mine again--one way or another.
Though our kingdoms stand divided, we share contempt for you, Azshara.
You see? We have found common ground already. Dear children, it is only a matter of time until you kneel before my throne. As a willing subject... or a broken corpse.
So long as Azshara controls the Tidestone, she has the advantage over us.
Its power should be turned against her--not against each other.
Agreed. Perhaps these ruins hold the key to striking down our common foe.
A
tropic trail
thats what fanboys do
zealous basalt
Thal, Lor and Tyrande?
tulip sun
Thalyssra, Azshara and seemingly Shandris
zealous basalt
okay who rekt who
tulip sun
Read it xD