the loot fromt he next raid
#beta-ptr-spoilers
uncut vault
definitely for the sake of making it worth it to do over BoD, but not objectively better gear
hollow dock
the one that says you take ticking damage to deal extra damage
dense plover
yes
hollow dock
depending on what that's on
dense plover
its like mini legendaries
hollow dock
that might just be BiS
hollow dock
Wait really
hollow dock
Tides of Vengence and A NAtion United
dense plover
minus the exalted requirement
well theres currently no reward for Tides
its possible they also add an achieve related to 8.1.5 content
hollow dock
I would have tied the mount to the end of the war campaign
uncut vault
tides of vengeance requires exalted with honorbound/7th legion anyways, doesnt it
dense plover
and its probably supposed to be both factions
no
wait
yes
but not with zandalar/kul tiras
uncut vault
I think those stones might be for blacksmithing
"The blessings bestowed on Kul Tiran ships by the Tidesage Council have to be super precise to work. We need that precision when tempering the hammer if we don't want to crack Azeroth."
zealous basalt
I honestly dont like it tbh, the eye, i preferred when it was hovering
uncut vault
I did too, and could even have tolerated it going on top of existing helms
they made it worse every build lol
and the changes to belf eyes didnt help my opinion of it
zealous basalt
Probably on purpose?
uncut vault
I mean, I do think they want us to remove the buff
like, it doesnt seem like a choice thing, theres no alternate quests for keeping the buff
you just cant complete the quest
jade basalt
Turns out it's not so much a gift but a curse, since it ruins your mog !
zealous basalt
So blizzard is trolling us?
jade basalt
Only the strongest of mind will be able to suffer through their ruined mogs - they are the truly woke
hollow dock
laughs in never uses helmets
hollow dock
I can makea set that works with them for all 4 armor types
hollow dock
finally get to dust and sharpen the sha weapons
jade basalt
I think the Eye still appears even if you use an invisible Helm mog, no?
zealous basalt
No no
Dudes
What if there is a time requeriment of wearing the curse for a lot of time to get the next pack of quests
So like, if you were thinking in not doig everything until 8.2, you are fucked, you cant get shit
tulip sun
Is there some questline we know of that will be added?
zealous basalt
jade basalt
summer cobalt
Tundra Dire Wolf 
tulip sun
She uses a generic direhorn model in the scenario.
dense plover
wait
tulip sun
Where the loa watch Talanji's trials
dense plover
oh
tulip sun
Ya, lol
dense plover
😭
uncut vault
she was planned I believe
tulip sun
She appears in a WQ in a tiny form, like the others;.
uncut vault
but she shows up in a world quest
tulip sun
and then she appears in a spirit form in the recruitment scenario
dense plover
mustve been dropped because it was unneccesary
oh damn
apparently we ALL missed warlords timewalking being up
man good thing theres a portal essentially straight to the npc
tulip sun
Honestly I couldn't care less about that xD
zealous basalt
I dont like wod timewalking
Just because all leggos are disabled
And all leggos being
Cloak
dense plover
oh, apparently both mounts are for both factions
i mean
legion leggos should work
uncut vault
I saw it was up, I just have no desire to test it lol
dense plover
i dont mind it
dungeons was pretty much all warlords had that was good
man, M+ timewalking would be cool
uncut vault
oh I like WoD dungeons
I just dont like testing scaling stuff
also, the no fun curse continues
"Adds a Burning Blade banner to your character's back. Lasts 10 minutes, 1 hour cooldown."
tulip sun
Burning blade RP here I come 😛
uncut vault
the pvp pennants managed to do it fine
uncut vault
I dunno why this one is even getting added when its just a worse version of the other burning blade toy
zealous basalt
Hue hue jue
tulip sun
Updated graphics?
summer cobalt
Is there fun in this Nintendo DS?
zealous basalt
So the swo4d without the sword
uncut vault
buff lights up when you near a shrine
you get a buff in the corner saying what buff youll get if you use the ability
dense plover
maybe its just random if you ARENT near a shrine?
uncut vault
I think it just spawns you with paku as default
uncut vault
pakus is pretty basic, just crit strike which works for all specs
dense plover
the best one is the tiger
kimbul
its a fuck ton of bleed damage
dont know if it scales as you level or not
uncut vault
Yeah but bleed isnt always good for a holy priest 😛
dense plover
but it starts out at a higher value than most damage abilities at level 20
uncut vault
whats the base?
at level 110, its 109 damage over 6 seconds, so pretty bad
this is what proper male to female differences look like
thank you blizzard
dense plover
oh
yeah it doesnt scale then
its 109 at lvl 20 too
thats why its so good
109 is a fuck ton for most of early leveling
paku, kragwa and bwonsamdi will likely be the most useful early on
tulip sun
Kinda sad Torcali and some others are also not involved in that
dense plover
its the loa from the panels
tulip sun
Panels?
tulip sun
Loa like Bwonsamdi, Krag'wa and Akunda seemingly are not huge Zandalari Loa..while Torcali has guards named after her, etc. xD
uncut vault
I can accept Bwonsamdi and Akunda, cause they do have their places in zanchul and in their culture
but kragwa and kimbul were so minor lol
even in terms of quests, kimbul was a side quest
dense plover
planned for a major role
thats why he is in the zandalar forever scenario
he was cut
and they tried to save him the best they could
we might see more of kimbul later
that would be great
uncut vault
thing is, only loa I really see being relevant in the future are Bwonsamdi, obviously, Gral, because he went off to fight azshara in 8.0, and maaaybe Paku, because shes the loa of the zandalari fleet
tulip sun
and shes so dang fun
But seriously, Torcali should've appeared somewhat...alongside some others
But I suppose not everyone can appear
Gral might be a way to tie in the Zandalari with 8.2
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
kimbul was clearly planned
maybe kimbul will be the new paladin loa?
kimbul is the paladin loa in HS right?
tulip sun
No
tulip sun
Shirvallahhhhhhhh
dense plover
oh
uncut vault
the prelates have their light back already
its just generic "light of the loa" and "belief in talanji"
terse patrol
We get any info on the inscription quest? @uncut vault
uncut vault
looks like we got some of the quest items, but havent gone to see if its testable yet
tulip sun
I am sure there is more to be detained
Datamined*
Porter, where are the new Zanchuli council after the recruitment quest?
uncut vault
only in the zandalari starting phase, and only two of them
rakera and jonok
rakera sadly doesnt say anything, busy talking with her GF
tulip sun
RIP.
I was hoping they'd be somewhere
Specifically the tortollan
I remember that the tortollan had flavor text added with jonoks...wonder where it is used
uncut vault
dereks eyes have me worried
the glow is blue, but beneath the pasted on DK glow
Im scared theyre going to go the horrible route of making the light undead from existing forsaken
tulip sun
No, they're just lazy
Hearthstone constantly refuses artwork
Reuses
Shirvallah deserves her own spotlight
terse patrol
@uncut vault Hm, I actually like the idea of silver schemed holy undead.
foggy abyss
That's sad tbh
uncut vault
the concept is fine
uncut vault
making them out of existing forsaken is very much not fine
uncut vault
if theyre going to have more light undead, they should be like calia
people who have never been forsaken
terse patrol
@uncut vault eh, thats the thing
tulip sun
I doubt there will be light undead tbh
terse patrol
I want the Desolate Council to return as light undead.
uncut vault
I dont, they were sad bait who, while nice, were written to serve a purpose
writing them as former forsaken ruins all reason for the forsaken to stay in the horde beyond "im evil"
tulip sun
I don't see it happening.
uncut vault
I mean, ideally yeah they just dont happen
terse patrol
I think it’s happening.
uncut vault
but based on nzoth, they will be
tulip sun
Anduin resurrected an entire army but decides to only resurrect some half way into undeath
uncut vault
I just hope they do it properly
terse patrol
Faol will likely become one.
uncut vault
and not ruin a core race in the process
foggy abyss
Lads
dense plover
could always be an eye option where its like - if you were made using the light
tulip sun
What does nzoth have to do with light undead?
dense plover
instead of normal forsaken magic?
foggy abyss
New Faol models and Uther light forged undead 
uncut vault
He whispers about the Light having "struck a bargain with the enemy of all"
dense plover
never gonna happen
uncut vault
and how "she is not the last, but the first"
tulip sun
Don't forsaken already have gold or yellow eyes?
terse patrol
Well, the Forsakens numbers have been hugely bloated by the corpses of Alliance members. I think the Horde will lose those to the Alliance again. @uncut vault
uncut vault
they have yellow eyes, light undead have white eyes
foggy abyss
Isn't enemy of all death ?
tulip sun
Is that from Calia's description?
uncut vault
yes
terse patrol
A Nzoth prophecy
uncut vault
All forsaken members are alliance members, lol
tulip sun
The forsaken literally are all alliance eeeees
uncut vault
thats the entire basis of their story, former alliance who are scorned in undeath
terse patrol
I meant the post-wrath ones dude
terse patrol
The ones raised into Sylvanas’ service in Cataclysm and beyond will likely go join Calia.
tulip sun
I doubt that would happen
terse patrol
The Forsaken pre-Cata joined Sylvanas because they had suddenly found themselves free of the Lich King and needed a leader.
uncut vault
the ones who joined in cata and beyond are the ones that explicitly chose to become forsaken
terse patrol
The differences in mindset are vast.
uncut vault
pre-wrath ones are more likely to defect, as seen with the desolate council
tulip sun
The leader of which refused to join Calia. The LEADER
terse patrol
ugh I hate how Blizzard made the Forsaken lore with Val’kyr so convoluted.
I can’t fathom how all these newly raised Forsaken are happy to cannibalize and kill their families/friends in the Alliance.
99% of them become happy murder hobos
”but look, Zelling is so cool and morally complex”
“oh now hes dead”
foggy abyss
^
terse patrol
@uncut vault No news on any other data mines?
Weird, for a 2 gig patch, it felt like it didnt have much
uncut vault
guess dance emotes take up a lot of file space 😛
we'll see more once marlamin gets all the stuff up
could be a lot of background assets
poor dudes out of business now that the portals got moved
foggy abyss
inner copper
Oh god
Also
Has the dancing glitch for normal characters been fixed?
The fact that it randomly pauses in the dance animation, goes into idle standing and then continues dancing
uncut vault
not happening with allied races at least, so yes
also, kul tirans got unique sounds for their druid forms
cat one is actually kinda horrible on the ears
inner copper
oooh
im interested
since im a druid main
but i dont mean the kul tirans or zandalari with the pause dance glitch
it happens on any of the regular dances, the non-new ones
it happens on my LF draenei
on my belf
on my worgen
strange falcon
Bois,the madlads did It,they gave a horse to horde,and already people are commenting "they do 1 decent horse but give It to horde instead" etc
inner copper
but where can i see the model?
ok from now on i want you to ignore my dumb "where is it" questions
hollow dock
@strange falcon All the horses in BFA are hella good looking tho
tropic trail
Undead horses best
inner copper
yeah
the admiralty stallion and smoky charger might be a bit plain but theyre still good
and i really like my dapple gray, seabraid stallion and highland mustang
i ride the broken highland mustang on my belf all the time
hollow dock
yer stolen horse :v
inner copper
i got it on my alli toon so no
hollow dock
Yes. and on the horde, the text states it's stolen :v
hollow dock
that makes nosense
inner copper
why
hollow dock
Well first we're at war, secondly, the Belves (formerly the helves) of silvermoon kinda abandoned the alliance while Gilneas was still attached to it
hollow dock
Yea. Neat. They're then considered traitors.
inner copper
no
hollow dock
Are they apart of their respective factions?
inner copper
they just keep talking to eachother
hollow dock
Then yes they are traitors. When you are at war you aren't friends with your enemy
unborn glacier
Des showing his knowledge of the lore again. The alliance abandoned the Belves, sending them into certain genocide only to arrest them to execute later. But "Muh Belves aren't Belves" 👍
hollow dock
Skye still showing his lack of knowledge of how history went
The High elves at the end of the second war withdrew from the alliance.
The alliance never abandoned them
At the time Arthas destroyed Lordaeron, which broke the alliance btw, Stormwind was really the only part of it left
zealous basalt
They decided to not take a part of the war of the scourge either, which made Garithos really salty
But doesnt mean all the humans hated High elves
hollow dock
Garithos' family was also killed while the helves coulda saved him
tropic trail
The dead humans like the elves
zealous basalt
Tacticul
tropic trail
Also they killed Dar'khan
dense plover
Des and I discussed the horse thing
He said horde could get a horse IF alliance got the wolf
I think it’s fair
tulip sun
I personally really like the faction exclusive themed mounts, but horses and wolves are very common.
Wolves could be obtained other ways
tropic trail
Living horses for horde 😆
tulip sun
It is nice to see them in alliance armor
tropic trail
Wolves are an orc thing, don't want no filthy alliance riding a wolf
tulip sun
Worgs are more of an orc thing. Wolves are a very common animal that can be tamed by anyone, same with Horses.
Alliance got a Hippo from Zandalar for their pvp mount this expansion
So them taming a wolf isn't out of the question
hollow dock
so you'd be riding a filthy alliance thing?
tropic trail
Flithy alliance can keep their horses 😞
hollow dock
To be honest, it's probably for the best. Maybe then you can actually see what a big dick looks like. 😂
tulip sun
I really like the Horse personally.
tropic trail
The one from arathi?
tulip sun
The new one, decked out in horde armor
Counterpart to the new alliance wolf.
It is called the Bloodflank Charger I think
tropic trail
Is it on wowhead?
tulip sun
tulip sun
We have so many horde wolves, lol.
tropic trail
More wolves 
neat bramble
Isn't the Wolf for Ally and horse for horde tho?
tulip sun
Y
inner copper
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/508771705523535874/545337666099740672/image0.jpg?width=1214&height=683 i hope the new worgen models will fix the shoulderpad selfie problem
languid yoke
still got no idea where the male ZT dance is coming from, right?
jovial coral
So what's the blade of xal atath containing the lich King?
Is arthas alive and coming back
Arthas is Sylvanas
jovial coral
What?
zealous basalt
Xal'Atath blade contained Xal'Atath
Just that
No Lich King
Bolvar is in Ice Crown as usual and Arthas is still dead
zealous basalt
Eh?
jovial coral
Okay so here is the theory
Who ever spoke to arthas was really xal'atath
And arthas is somehow in there too
hollow dock
Noone spoke toarthas
I think you are getting your lore points mixed up
Arthas was only ever spoken to by Ner'zhul
the Lich King
He sat atop Icecrown until he gained control
then Wrath of the Lich King happened
@jovial coral
jovial coral
Perhaps
hollow dock
then he died
that'snot a perhaps
that'sthe hard canon lore
Now Arthas' soul was in multiple places, like the Helm of Domination, Shards of Frostmourne andin the partof the afterlife that Sylvanas went to whens heoffed herself
But
there's no extra entity thatspoke to him
Sylvanas is like arthas because everything she hasdone
mimics exactly what arthas did
Not because they're the exact same person
jovial coral
Lol
hollow dock
Xal'atath however
was never speaking to anyone other thant he Twilight's Hammer
and those who weilded her
jovial coral
Oh I guess it's not a theory more just wondering what else the blade could contain
hollow dock
It contains exactly 1 entity
Xal
atath is all that's left when SYlvanas gets the blade
which is the dagger itself
Xal isa freed entity
dense plover
^
its literally just a dagger by that point
to add on to this
arthas is super dead
he is gone forever
uncut vault
No, there’s another entity
"The echo of the blade Xal'atath lingers in the air before you. Though the consciousness that resided within the dagger is gone, the place it once occupied still resonates with power. You sense the weapon now speaks another voice. Another purpose.... You feel compelled to warn the king that the blade may now reside in the hands of the enemy."
I thought it was empty too, but build before yesterday’s added the post-raid quest for alliance
Alliance player gets to the shrine after horde player, finds the dagger gone
zealous basalt
Its gonna be atath
hollow dock
N'zoth did say
he wasn't finished with the dagger
So
The power in there isN'zoths power
@uncut vault
uncut vault
Probably but that’s still more than just the dagger
It isn’t just an empty husk, something is in there still
hollow dock
I don't believe anyones said that. Just that it contained one entity, Xal, and that it is just a dagger at this point. Granted that last bit is getting rectified, it's still partially right. It only contained Xal and now is being filled by N'zoth. Supposedly.
steel venture
N'zoth's influence drives the blade.
However Sylvanas can't be affected by the blade, but he's basically set up everything perfectly to a point thus far where he doesn't NEED to corrupt her. She's already powerhungry.
hollow dock
all he needs to do is tlel her
zealous basalt
I call vac
hollow dock
"Ey yo bitch"
zealous basalt
Hax
zealous basalt
That would be the second leader to fall to old god stuff
zealous basalt
I didnt say corruption
hollow dock
In fact, undead are heavily resistant to the influence of the old gods
zealous basalt
I said "stuff"
steel venture
If not outright immune when they're not risen by Old Gods / Shadow Magic / Void Magic.
hollow dock
She's just using him to get what she wants thinking she can turn against him when she doesn't need him. Supposedly
zealous basalt
Stuff could be tricks
hollow dock
Well. I wouldn't say immune
a good shadowbolt to her chest will still probably end up killing her
If the scourge in northrend have anything to show though, it's that they seem pretty unphased by Yoggys whispers
zealous basalt
No
jade basalt
NPC dialogue change for Zandalari players https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/411187738520322050/545429025905180672/Untitled.png (mending)
misty blaze
i think all sylvanas needs is a hot girl to keep her company
ya know cause every lore npc needs a gf or bf whatever you wanna call it
zealous basalt
I think Nathanos is the one in charge of that
night swift
Thats literally nathanos’ job
astral anchor
Aye 😃
inner copper
so if they say like "yeah we don't feel any positive emotions anymore cause we are dead" THEN WHAT IS DIS SYLVANAS???
this looks like damm flirting to me
uncut vault
the 'no feelings' stuff was just edgy DK talk,theyve always had their feelings still
zealous basalt
If they could have just keep the length
tropic trail
I like what they did with the boots. They look more metalic.
Wait... that's the old version. Nevermind!
They did get a feather in their cap.
I wonder if the coat will have keyframed motion or be physics based.
Sadly they took away the fancy anchor from the coat
Well... the old version was just glued to them. No fancy coat movements.
So I get why it's shorter.
Gilneans need a coat
Being shorter makes it easier to animate, if they decide to animate it. I'd like it to have keyframed motion, like the tabard or cloak.
And I agree! Gilneans definitely need a coat. I'd like something such as Greymane's, with a nice, noble shirt under it.
I'm concerned about the human heritage armor though. I hope it's something like what Anduin wore in Legion.
Before getting this bulky armor.
hollow dock
Greymanes master skin from hots. Thats what gilnean heritage should be
terse patrol
I like the new colors, but the shorter coat is lame as heck
(Also when are we going to get the coats that are already in game)
reeee
hollow dock
about the same time we get all NPC armor
jade basalt
Oh nice
That other recolor of the heritage armor was already in the files I think
I found the one we had way too bright and cartoony, all that vivid, lowrez gold and stuff
The similar outfits the NPCs wear were a bit more "darker", faded, natural, realistic, which makes sense because 'mariner life', so it's really nice they did the same with the heritage armor
Hmm though, I just noticed they also shortened the coat, not fond of that
But I guess I'll take it still. It's now closer to the NPC stuff and less Disney-cartoony, and matches other pieces of gear better.
Caught up on the conversation, seems most people share the opinion and already said exactly what I said, heh.
And yes we definitely need more coats. In general, more 3D gear. The spandex era needs to come to an end.
pulsar iris
i liked the colors. but would love if it was green instead of blue. the same green used in the kul'tiran ships sails
jade basalt
Someone else (Laytis) pointed out that it also looks better overall because it naturally separates soce it's fended.
Whereas before there was no such thing so it'd just stretch terribly and look like garbage https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/406282965438562314/545631935616253962/unknown.png
jade basalt
Is Bwonsamdi's back okay ?
modern axle
Didn't Talangi decline his offer? Though I feel she may reconsider, if a big rebellion starts soon, espacilly after Baines arrest
dense plover
Yeah I was fairly certain that the coat was changed specifically to look less awful when mounting or during combat
The solid back got stretched and clipped
Baines arrest would barely be a blip to the zandalari
They barely know him
modern axle
That's true
dense plover
Talanji is still in change
Charge
That’s what matters
Bigger deal is why bwonsamdi wants her head
Who wants Sylvanas dead that bwonsamdi reports to
modern axle
Nzoth?
jade basalt
Eh Talanji does know Baine since he's one of the few leaders to be in Zandalar, in fact she even mentions that "Baine Bloodhoof has shown honor and respect to de Zandalari", which is why she'd like him to get fair trial.
Bwonsamdi wants Sylvanas dead because she is upsetting the balance. His is a god of death but he has always strived for balance : he does not want everyone to die. Sylvanas however is waging war on all Life. Also, she has a "tendency to keep what she kills for herself", he added.
He's a really interesting character, and I really wouldn't want him to be turned into just a generic evil.
modern axle
Yeah I agree
dense plover
I don’t think bwonsamdi will EVER be generic evil
jade basalt
He is a loa of death, but he's not "evil" in that he doesn't just want to destroy or kill everything (like the Lich King for example). He's in the middle. Reminder that he is worshipped by the trolls as a good deity, in fact he is the main loa of the whole Darkspear tribe - there's a reason for that. So hopefully Blizzard doesn't make him evil or corrupted !
dense plover
He is the equivalent of a witch doctor - he is evil, but he is mainly in it for himself and sometimes that means helping someone out
hollow dock
Considering who psted the screenshot
anyone else worried that it's just another doctered dialogue bo?
bo*
box*
jesus christ
dense plover
I thought he was worshipped out of fear
Like - pray to him so you don’t get eternally damned
hollow dock
Just me who thinks Dafire might have posted another doctored thing? Why are there two bwonsamdis in the picture?
jade basalt
Eh there's certainly a bit of that, in the sense that praying to the god of death will probably be a good thing for you when you do die, but no he has never been portrayed as evil. In fact more as a protective deity, always comes to aid the Darkspears, etc. He's just really not evil, he is necessary. He doesn't want to kill everyone, but death is a necessary part of life, and he strives for balance. Someone who wants to destroy everything ? He'll fight against that. In this case, it just that this is Sylvanas.
It is real, the dialogue was datamined by Wowhead some time ago. Talanji refuses.
It's part of the Talanji-becomes-Queen questline
Where she goes to each loa to get their blessing
hollow dock
Ah ok.
modern axle
I wonder why Bwonsamdi hasn't confronted Slyvnanas himself
hollow dock
I mean. Why didn't he confront the Lich King?
Deathwing?
Like there's been a lot of peeps who just upsetthe balance.
jade basalt
These different god of deaths seem to keep away from each other, they seem to not step onto each other's toes, from what I can tell. Bwonsamdi and Eyir don't speak to each other, neither messes with the LK, etc.
hollow dock
Deathwing was certainly not a god of anything
jade basalt
And that's just because of the game probably, same reason the Titan Keepers were AFK all throughout Cataclysm, MoP and WoD despite the fact we freed them during Wrath.. Even during the freaking Hour of Twilight which was the one thing they were supposed to stop.
Or the Aspects all throughout WoW (except Cata !).
Or Medivh.
And so on.
hollow dock
at least that got a bit of backstory with Legion though.
They've been dealing with on and off Yoggy breaks
Also RIP their hinted Aspect storyline post-cata
jade basalt
That's one of the positive things with Legion, they finally made use of the Keepers ! Well, Hodir got kidnapped, Mimiron just gives us one weapon, and Freya is AFK. But Thorim and Odyn are good.
Odyn literally does his job.
modern axle
Theoritcally the titans could give the dragon apsects their powers again right?
hollow dock
Not really.
Considering they exhausted themselves just getting Sargeras back to the Throne and sealing the way.
and helping us topple Argus
jade basalt
Depends, these are heavily weaker versions of the titans. Like, depleted, miniscule fragments of themselves. And then they got locked up in the Seat of the Pantheon, so we'd have to get them out probably.
modern axle
Ah I guess, that's true
hollow dock
Unless blizz decides "They can now cuz that's cool" I'd say no
And unless we do get our Dragon Isle questline that explains how the blackdragons are reproducing
it wouldn't really matter
cuz no new young
modern axle
Muffnius did say some of these island story lines will happen in BFA and some beyond BFA
So perhaps dragon isle might come in 8.3
jade basalt
It's why they are barely the size of a normal watcher or a giant, instead of being the size of a planet like Sargeras. They're just infinitely weaker fragments of themselves - this is because they were killed by Sargeras and their souls, while they survived, were depleted after eons of travel and stuff.
hollow dock
Assuming things didn't get changed or canceled
jade basalt
Some of them are definitely going to have a follow up. I can already tell which ones will probably come true in BFA : the murloc one, the jinyu one, and the Old God one. And they're probably for Nazjatar or the N'Zoth patch. As for the others :
- The vrykul and kvaldir ones could be related, and could also tie into Nazjatar.
- The tol'vir and mogu ones could be related, as both involve ancient titan-forged being unearthed from the ground.
- The kvaldir, mogu and frost troll ones all involve necromancers or Death, so they could tie into a Death-themed patch or expansion.
- All the dragon ones could be related as well, and may tie into the Dragon Isles.
- The two goblin ones could be related.
The druids of the pack, mantid, nerubian, hozen, and keepers of the grove ones are individual plot points, or may tie into the others, or into each other (mantid + nerubian ?), somehow.
modern axle
Sargaeras is at full strength after Pantheon pulled him in still right? Or?
jade basalt
Unknown.. he did suddenly get miniaturized for some reason.
But if he broke out of the prison, he'd probably return to his normal size yes.
hollow dock
I imagine the Frost Trolls are just from the Drakkari tribe though
and they're deep into that necromancy shit
modern axle
I feel like we need to ally ourselves with Sargaeas tbh If we're going against old gods or even void lords in future. Though depends whether he tries to stab azeroth again. And with your island statement I can see that working like that tbh
hollow dock
I made that prediction nearly a year ago now
when we first sealed up Sargeras
and y'all called me crazy for saying it
dense plover
Isnt it Dragon Isle, not the dragon Isles?
Also, we still haven’t seen plunder isle
It’s in the files
But it’s empty
jade basalt
I'ts Isles
jade basalt
They've almost always been represented as 3 tiny dots to the north of Lordaeron
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/wowpedia/e/ea/Eastern_Kingdoms_pre-WoW_1.jpg
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/wowpedia/1/1a/WorldMap-World-wotlk-pre-release.jpg
Sometimes more
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/wowpedia/f/ff/Dragon_Isles_map.jpg
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/wowpedia/thumb/0/01/ABE_-_Lordaeron_and_Khaz_Modan_map.jpg/800px-ABE_-_Lordaeron_and_Khaz_Modan_map.jpg
But yes they're multiple.
hollow dock
Like my theory back then was that he stabbed the sword into Azeroth so that when he does get the good succ in, it was his 'Ultimatum' made to us. Help him or suffer the old gods alone.
dense plover
Probably
dense plover
Considering we don’t actually have a technical canon location
hollow dock
so we can stop with that
dense plover
They’ve never actually been in game
jade basalt
Well, they were in the game's map. 😛
dense plover
So there’s no wrong location
jade basalt
But yes it's basically limbo.
tropic trail
Has anyone went to the border of the map?
dense plover
Yeah but that’s easily retcon
jade basalt
@tropic trail Azeroth is flat.
tropic trail
No It's clearly not flat
dense plover
wooooosh
jade basalt
There are dozens of YouTube conspiracy videos proving that Azeroth is flat ! Also, we never went to Draenor !
tropic trail
See sargeras cinematic
proven sequoia
Theramore was an inside job
tropic trail
Garrosh did nothing wrong
zealous basalt
It makes sense
dense plover
Kirin Tor was working with the alliance to make us think it happened
zealous basalt
Medivh saw it
tropic trail
Thall wanted him to fail, it was Thrall's doing
proven sequoia
VOTE GREYMANE
MAKE STORMWIND GREAT AGAIN
dense plover
Back on topic tho
Dragon Isles, Plunder Isle, Telabim
There’s just a few places we know about and haven’t actually been to now that nazjatar is coming
jade basalt
[The Last Menethil]: “The Menethil Dynasty will yet ENDURE!”
tropic trail
The Dragon isles was initially planned for vanilla?
jade basalt
Yes.
They're adding Crestfall in 8.2. I've waited, literally, 15 years for that.
And an island expedition isn't a really bad way to do it. Specially since it looks like they're customizing it a lot, it's not just some generic island.
dense plover
It’s supposed to be pretty small
So that makes sense
Guess we still need makura
Tho that might be in nazjatar
uncut vault
So long as they follow through on a way to explore islands in a non-timed environment in excited for crestfall
modern axle
I do believe we'll see dragon isle and plunder isle very soon, though They have a ton of freedom for the otherside of Azeroth, in terms of new lore and new continent's they can create
tropic trail
Makura was in durotar in echo isles lol
tropic trail
Gilblins allied race 😞
uncut vault
I can imagine the backlash now if we get slimy water goblins instead of vulpera
modern axle
They'll probably make it an island
dense plover
Probably
modern axle
You know we got two zones with 8.2? One big and one small, I wonder if we'll get a similar thing for 8.3
jade basalt
I really doubt it personally
8.2 is basically the equivalent to 7.3. Nazjatar+Mechagon is Legion's Argus (but better).
I don't know if we might get a whole new "continent" again, because 8.2 seems to be the most work they have ever put into post-launch content, it's like they're taking the Timeless Isle, and kind of Ashran, and the Broken Shore, and Argus, and beautifully fusing them into Nazjatar & Mechagon. That's basically what they said, that they're building onto what they've learned from the previous expansions' open-world zones. They're bringing back all the most loved features, while getting rid of the stuff that did not work out (7.2's crappy story-unlock for example, this was already confirmed), and adding even more on top of it.
So I don't know if they would just do yet another one after that, it doesn't seem possible to best that yet, or if I'd want to (honestly, given how it was described, I'd rather stay in Nazjatar 'til the next expansion instead of it becoming irrelevant in the following patch). But yeah we're definitely going to get another patch after it, I'm just not sure it would come with a whole other continent/zone.
I think the core of the game will remain Nazjatar, in that this is where you're going to spend your time, do your world quests, stay idle, grind things and farm stuff. And then we're going to get more content added to other regions. For example currently the core of the game is your faction's continent (Kul Tiras or Zandalar), but you also have Darkshore and Arathi as warfronts and other places to do stuff in.
So whatever 8.3 is will be more of that, like 8.1. Probably a raid too etc., but the "core" of the game will remain Nazjatar.
tropic trail
Essay
dense plover
They could always add a zone to nazjatar
Since that’s going to be on a different map
Maybe a dungeon or two
Gotta wait just a few weeks until 8.2 hits ptr
Since it should hit shortly after 8.1.5 release
modern axle
Aye
That does make sense Mymindwontquiet, perhaps as they're skipping adding new warfronts in 8.2, we'll get a large amount of faction war stuff such as new warfronts and content in zandalar,kul'tiras and other areas in Azeroth
dense plover
I think they aren’t doing warfronts because they aren’t very successful and they don’t want to spread themselves too thin
I assume if heroic warfronts are successful, we will see more warfronts, otherwise, that content is probably mostly dead
inner copper
i hope heroic warfronts will reward the epic tier pieces instead of having to play roulette every warfront cycle
modern axle
I believe they said in an interview Des, though I guess it could drastically change in development and they decide to add one, but Peach makes a good point, due to the lack of success, I personally loved them, though there is definaitly things I'd change
modern axle
I don't mind that though personally at least 😛
inner copper
it takes me like, 43 minutes to do one on Chamber Of Aspects EU
modern axle
Though I'd love a large scale mega warfront, which is like a city siege
inner copper
or pvp warfront?
modern axle
I mean a pvp warfront would be cool too
inner copper
specifically for dread/sinister aspirant/gladiator pieces
limber mural
like Isle of Conquest only not ass
inner copper
like with legion? we got little in WoD so they compensated in legion?
hollow dock
No
That does make sense Mymindwontquiet, perhaps as they're skipping adding new warfronts in 8.2, we'll get a large amount of faction war stuff such as new warfronts and content in zandalar,kul'tiras and other areas in Azeroth
We skip the warfronts
to get more warfronts
modern axle
I meant we'd get all that in 8.3
Well was just a guess
No idea what 8.3 will bring, though I'm quite excited to find out
hollow dock
All things considered on the faction story theyv'e given us so far. I can wait.
jade basalt
I don't think there's conclusive proof that they are straight up abandoning warfronts. Ion just said "none planned for 8.2", and debunked the Barrens one.
Doesn't mean there won't be one for 8.3 for example. 😛 Or hell even 8.2.5, with the raid.
tropic trail
Maybe they can revamp all zones next expac
zealous basalt
Revamp as in graphical only
tropic trail
Idk if they can do new relevant quests
lone marten
I would like a major city revamp
Because, if people say they want the nostalgia and history, thay can have a look in classic
tropic trail
Give me new lightning bolt
steel venture
ionic terrace
@dense plover did it fix the disconnecting
ionic terrace
Looks like nope
uncut vault
while I like those trinket visuals a lot
Im a bit puzzled why they put the frosty one on mail, and the lightning one on leather
dense plover
might not be final
give feedback on the forum
this is the first build theyre implemented in
inner copper
?
neat oar
Does the Jewelhammer's Focus only work on your own items? Or does it let you unsocket other people's gems?
tranquil steeple
based on the "Use:" tooltip, specifying "one of your socketed items", no
zealous basalt
@inner copper Yes it was added
inner copper
i meant it as a response to the live server portal bug
didnt realise it was live not ptr
strange falcon
We’re coming together to test the new Wintergrasp epic battleground experience in the 8.1.5 PTR, and would love for you to join us! waiiit a sec,they're making wintergrasp queueable? wot
zealous basalt
yes
strange falcon
when did padwarle racechange into a catborne
ionic terrace
@dense plover huh, 800MB patch
jade basalt
New music !
ionic terrace
😮
jade basalt
Pretty good music at that
dense plover
i was sort of wrong
huh
creature/sandworm/jlo_qirajhive_ground.blp
new creature
alpacas got a bunch of sounds
ionic terrace
oh when did they add new turtle WQs
dense plover
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ascendance overhaul is visual too now
they were in the files
guess they pushed the WQs with this build
ionic terrace
also looks like those bunch of blue items are part of Tools of the Trade crafting
ooh new boralus music
SO GOOD
tulip sun
What is that
dense plover
ill upload the rest to google
jade basalt
Wowhead has it all up here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4_NwBexv5s&feature=youtu.be
dense plover
goddamnit
tulip sun
Ita music?
jade basalt
New music yea
dense plover
also, i like the individual file uploads
ionic terrace
I'm in love
dense plover
fun fact
some of this music will also now be played in the appropriate zones
new pirate music is gud
dense plover
This music has no location denoted, but it sounds similar to uldir, so i figured this is likely the raid
distant folio
Given that it's called "CrucibleOfStorms1.mp3" and sounds super ominous, yes it's probably for the raid :p
dense plover
i named it that
dense plover
as I said
inner copper
YESSS
dense plover
new sounds and a model
tranquil steeple
That track really fit the N'zoth cultist vibe of Crucible of Storms, so I agree that it's likely the raid's music
strange falcon
dense plover
@serene marsh might want to stick that music file in your news post somewhere
its a weird outlier and is currently untagged for any soundscapes
serene marsh
looking into it, thanks!
ancient forge
there are 5 I think
dense plover
i was told 4
ancient forge
6 to be correct
mystic heart
@ancient forge so u missing 2 files for allied races 😄
dense plover
this is why the individual mp3 uploads are better
ancient forge
alreeady bruteforce the real names for sounds :p
dense plover
did they change the icon for dungeon WQs?
they fixed the "A friend in needle bug"
where it would show up on your zone map
even when you werent a tailor
uncut vault
man, all this music work, and no unique allied race starting zones to have them play in makes me sad
dense plover
caligraphy WQ
actually
they play in KT and zandalar
theyve been added to the list for the subzones
zealous basalt
Hah rekt
dense plover
its not the same as the old nightborne WQ
it disappears after a bit
and you need to be accurate
uncut vault
the unique part was important 😛 considering you cant actually go back to the starting zone phase post-110
strange falcon
well,tortollans dont want any sloppy work
i mean,they got centuries to live through
dense plover
its not too hard
gives a bit of leniency
very fast
glad they are adding variety
wouldnt unique be bad porter?
since then we wouldnt be able to hear it again?
did cooking WQs have a unique icon b4?
agile canyon
they did yeah
dense plover
i think they added more guards
@uncut vault isnt it good the music isnt locked to a starter zone?
uncut vault
can people outside the allied races when they spawn hear it?
Cause if its coded to the zone, its probably coded to the allied race phase
which is inaccessable once you hit 110
agile canyon
has there been any quest/notice about the naga invasions, i havent found any? I saw in the alliance war campaign that they talked about them but it was more of a casual thing rather than noticing that there has been an increased naga activity.
dense plover
its coded to the zone, outside of the phase
its part of the music mixes that the zones currently use
ionic terrace
omg
agile canyon
i love that
dense plover
thats the point
😛
its honestly a BIT too long
i suggested they make it 15 turtles instead of 20
tulip sun
That is cruel xD
dense plover
@uncut vault all of the music can play in the appropriate part of zandalar OUTSIDE of the recruitment and allied race phase - also, unsure its phased as you can see level 120s in it
or kul tiras
obviously
uncut vault
Kul Tiras definitely isnt, but the throne area of Zuldazar has wonky phasing with quests
theres a pre-110, post-110, post-questing, and post-recruitment phases
the post 110 one definitely has issues
dense plover
i mean, when i made a kul tiran, there were 120s on the alliance boat
uncut vault
but rastakhan phasing is important for zandalari
I know, but the phasing itself also phases PCs in zandalar
dense plover
also, the music is 100% tagged for the phased and unphased
IE - one of the zandalar ones is tagged - alliedrace, zuldazaralliedrace, zuldazarday
zuldazarday is the same one the base music is in
they essentially added a TON of music to the choices in the cities
when the game decides to play music it now has a larger repetiore
yay
they addeed the loa shrines
agile canyon
interesting that they decided to make so much more music for zones that already had a good amount, not complaining just interesting
dense plover
well, they made the music, and they probably wanted to vary things
jade basalt
^
jade basalt
They were first made for the allied race scenario, the titles are named after each step in particular. Then they also added them to the openworld subzones for variety probably.
tulip sun
Shrines?
agile canyon
well obviously, im not talking about adding them to already existing zones. Im more impressed that they made 30 minutes of new music when they could probably have gotten away with using existing 😄
the ones you can click to get a loa buff for 20?minutes in Atal Dazar and random places around Zuldazar @tulip sun
dense plover
racial mount is in
no noticable model changes
no clue why it was delayed
the paladin one is just superior
uncut vault
well, the paladin mounts usually are
with the exception of belf cause its just different
dense plover
it just feels like a kick in the pants
the base mount feels inferior
also, you spawn with embrace of paku now
so you dont have to use it immediately
uncut vault
You did last build too, I dont think they changed too much with this one
but the racial mount has enough differences, the seat is a lot bigger, for one
sunwalker kodo was always more grand than base kodo, so are the dwarf rams now
dense plover
for me the amor and feathers and stuff just make the paladin mount feel so much more like the racial mount
and thats what it SHOULD be
uncut vault
well, the paladin armor, based on the weapons we see in the raid, is specifically prelate visuals, not zandalari
its paladin weapons that look like that
even has their special rune pattern on the seat
dense plover
embrace of the loa glows when you are near a shrine
uncut vault
plus, its one of two unarmored non-stone direhorns
dense plover
its done through giving you a buff
uncut vault
so while it could have more armor, its nice to have a simple one
one that isnt 500k 😛
dense plover
"make an offering to 'nameofloa' and they will grant you a boon: 'description of buff'
oh no
embrace of kimbul was super nerfed
its only 13dmg over 6 sec at 20
thats super shit
dense plover
its so bad
like
might as well not have it bad
maybe 13 every sec for 6
thats decent
so whats interesting
is starting zandalar only has the new tracks
but real zandalar has all of them
dense plover
pterrodax swoop is cool
you literally ride a pterrordax as it glides down
man, you know what would be cool
being able to level from 20 using islands
good way to vary up the leveling experience
zealous basalt
hax
jade basalt
The Mag'har in Orgrimmar have been updated with new dialogue options, they no longer talk as if they were still on Draenor !
"I still dream of Draenor. Does my home still remain? Aggh, it does no good to think on such matters."
"We have much to teach the orcs of this world."
"Overlord Geya'rah was the Warchief's right hand. There is no braver orc on this world."
"What fate did our brothers and sisters meet?"
"This world reeks of corruption."
"Warchief Hellscream is almost certainly dead. If he fell, he died a hero's death."
"If any Lightbound traitors come to this world, I will be ready!"
"If you earn the overlord's trust, you will earn mine." (RSG)
It's great when Blizzard fixes oversights like these
uncut vault
Its interesting to see that the maghar see themselves as better than our orcs
I hope that geyarah's ideology of honor meaning loyalty is something we see a bit more with them, its a good separation between the two orc groups
terse patrol
@uncut vault If Thrall returns, I suspect she will play a part.
uncut vault
Probably, I just hope its more than "wise old men teach foolish young girl the real ideology"
and that she actually keeps her ideals
uncut vault
also, making note of Grommash without explicitly saying he's dead basically means hes probably gonna come back as an enslaved lightbound
zealous basalt
inb4 boss gromash
uncut vault
that, or we'll find him tied up on a light version of his weird claw tree this time
with a light infused ogre trying to turn him
jade basalt
You'd think times change, but..
uncut vault
tulip sun
This is exciting
foggy abyss
Did the 2H Special for the Zandalari male changed ?
foggy abyss
Feels bad man
uncut vault
Yeah Ive been wanting it to change too
foggy abyss
A lots of people
uncut vault
not just because I dislike the nelf anim, but because it clips polearms through their body
foggy abyss
A Human animation would fit better
or a troll
tho a troll would be quite strange since they're quite Crooked
dense plover
actually
i bet we do
two weeks, feb 26
we already have music
theyre doing instance testing
and everything else is implemented and working
except zandalari moonkin dance
they still dont have a dance
tropic trail
8.2 will be on ptr when 8.1.5 gets live?