You showed the model
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
uncut vault
in game
dense plover
But it doesn’t work in game
I tried
It didn’t change between incarnation and normal moonkin
uncut vault
fade bug got fixed
dense plover
Do kul tirans have an incarnation model?
dense plover
Sweet
dense plover
Did they change the animation when running to not be ridiculous for zandalari cat?
uncut vault
heres my pic I sent last week, in the dreamgrove
cat anims are the same, the anims were partially made for this form in the first place
hollow dock
that's a neat touch.
Giving Zandalari the ability to tame Dire Horns right out the bat
nice nod to how you have to farm them in the Isle of Dinos to tame Direhorns
tulip sun
Ya.
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the intro cutscenes for zandalari and kul tirans got added
tulip sun
Shareeeee please
tulip sun
Nice
vestal otter
hollow dock
wait
Hati becomes a mount?
AND is a pet?
Fuck Ima have to actually reroll to BM aren't I
night swift
Yeah Hati’s fucking awesome now
night swift
Glad I decided to roll a kt hunter when they come out lol
vestal otter
the thing costs only 9 gold tho
and you can stack 200 so eh im fine with carrying alot of the toys for Hati to become the mount
vestal otter
lol
tranquil steeple
I find it weird how those Pandas have cloaks matching the Zandalar(Nazmir version) leather quest/boe gear..
uncut vault
I was trying to go test if zandalari can passively tame direhorns, but you literally cant get to pandaria on the ptr lol
jade basalt
Was announced at Blizzcon
dense plover
Have they added more portals yet?
Because they removed all of those dalaran portals
uncut vault
none aside from the ones already in the portal room, no
dense plover
They just need to add the portals from under dalaran
Zandalari still don’t have their background either
I’m so glad horde gets the elekk
It’s cool af
Badass metal elephant
jade basalt
Isn't it the armor-less version ?
tulip sun
Elekk?
jade basalt
Not metal then 😛
Also they're faction-specific ?
dense plover
The other version is a 1% drop from blackhand I think
And only on mythic
It’s metal as in metal af
jade basalt
It's actually from Exalted Sha'tari I believe
dense plover
It has melty tusks
And burned skin
Oh
Huh
Did it cost crystals?
Cuz that would be a good reason I don’t have it
Too many ducking crystals
hollow dock
I think it was 10k gold and 5k crystals
dense plover
yeah I probably didn’t have the resources
I probably do now if I have the rep
Cuz I think I still have 7k crystals
jade basalt
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still cant use the crusaders direhorn as a zandalari paladin
dense plover
Yep that’s why I don’t have it
uncut vault
and got a generic wolf recolor
tulip sun
Heh
dense plover
Shoulda been the racial mount
dense plover
Also, if alliance gets a shiny wolf, horde deserves a horse decked out in spikes and hanging skulls
jade basalt
Feathers are nice
uncut vault
a while back, I committed myself to either making my zandalari have green and gold or black and gold, chose black
jade basalt
Horde already got a Horde horse in BFA !
uncut vault
then blizz makes the mount green and gold 😛
uncut vault
arathi
dense plover
Not the unicorn, right?
jade basalt
Yeah. Broke one of our dear steeds From Arathi and slapped an ugly bone seat on it.
dense plover
I want a tricked out horse
With skulls and spikes
And the symbol
And like a faceplate
hollow dock
Only if the alliance gets something in return would I ever agree with that
foggy abyss
@hollow dock You guys got a Wolf
hollow dock
Is it in the Mount Journel yet?
uncut vault
it isnt
hollow dock
Alright then
uncut vault
theres no mount attached to it yet, just an icon
uncut vault
well obviously 😛
hollow dock
yea. It's only fair after all
pulsar iris
please kul'tiran full beard is all i need
uncut vault
ji got added
interesting that she looks between thalyssra and geyarah on the "most of you need fear nothing" line
hollow dock
Good
uncut vault
oh, that is a surprise
he isnt arrested by dark rangers
but orcs, trolls, and elves
even a tauren
zealous basalt
So it shows that baine is the one fucking up
hollow dock
or it just goes to show that Sylvanas actually commands authority
and isn't just another garrosh
who woulda thunk
jade basalt
Baine laying it out thick on her
"You betray the Horde !"
And with everyone seemingly sharing Baine's opinion and worrying about / being pissed at Sylvanas (except Geyarah).. Doesn't bode well for her !
uncut vault
I mean, only like two of them actually say they support baines opinions
hollow dock
Well. She's betraying Thrall's ideas for a reformed horde. But it hasn't been that horde since well. Garrosh.
uncut vault
the others are more concerned for what the action itself will cause in the horde
talanji is fine with it so long as baine gets fair trial
jade basalt
I also said "and worrying about / being pissed at Sylvanas" Port.
uncut vault
Im still curious why they went out of their way to show diverse horde races arresting baine
when the quests themselves have dark rangers ready to do that
hollow dock
I imagine it's to show Sylvanas actually has authority over them and isn't pulling a Garrosh
as they've stated numerous times
uncut vault
I hope so
hollow dock
She hasn't taken steps to completely alienate the horde, unlike Garrosh did.
With his secret police orcs and all
jade basalt
Well killing her own Horde forces and raising theircorpses probably wasn't quite a good PR move.
hollow dock
It wasn't, but fits with the hordes 'Ends justify the means' motto it's adopted from Garrosh.
Thrall tried to change that but ya know. that wasn't all that successful.
jade basalt
It really doesn't.. Most Horde leaders are the absolute opposite of that idea.
Also keep in mind there was another Warchief between Garrosh and Sylvanas.
hollow dock
Which also, burning down teldrassil is perfectlyfinebut killing their own soldiers?
Oh hellno that's to far
jade basalt
Burning Teldrassil was also probably not fine. I believe Lor'themar says something about him having felt uneasy for a while or something.
hollow dock
Like the onlyone that's cared about it was saurfang
jade basalt
It's just an issue that comes with the medium, they can't portray every single character. So they use 2, Saurfang for the 'good' side of the Horde and Sylvanas for the 'bad' side of the Horde. Kind of sucks because it feels like no one else is relevant or has any kind of thoughts on any matter but it's understandable, always been the case in WoW unfortunately.
hollow dock
Which is also just why I really wish they stop the novel narrative they so desperately want to push
it just doesn't work
uncut vault
saurfang didnt even care, he went right to "sylvanas is right" five seconds after getting angry
hes more angry over lordaeron at this point
jade basalt
Fair. If the focus is 90% on the Horde's issues then it becomes even more problematic when the Horde characters can't be used as much as they should.
hollow dock
The horde doesn't care about the civilians that thy killed in the hundreds of thousands but a few dozen of their own men
and then raising them to push the alliance back
THAT was to far
uncut vault
novel narrative could have worked if they yknow, actually gave the novels perspective
and not just "heres five minutes of sylvanas being weird, and the rest is anduin"
"oh and jaina cameo"
hollow dock
I really dislike this faction story they wrote. It just seems so. Misguided
in focus
Like is it legitimately the lordaeron bit that the horde is butthurt over when it comes to Sylvanas' leading when they are seemingly perfectly OK with the essential genocide they caused at Teldrassil? Doesn't that seem a bit. Hypocritical of them?
jade basalt
I heard you guys wanted to give everything in return https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406282965438562314/542519010399617055/unknown.png
Dangit I just realized it's a missed opportunity. The item should've been called Chalice of Rebirth, not some generic name like 'Fel-tainted vessel'. It has a lore name !
uncut vault
oh nice, burning blade banner independent of a five minute toy finally
foggy abyss
Man
Fuck Sylvanas
I thought she would keep Zeilling into custody
She forsakes her own rules
terse patrol
So theres no new broadcast text? @uncut vault
uncut vault
probably putting them into one post
zealous basalt
I mean, I know that he might had some humanity and that he paid for betraya but
damn
tranquil steeple
rip in peace
tulip sun
That was a great cutscene
and I think it does not make Sylvanas seem that bad...not as bad as I imagined.
No matter what you think of their actions, they did betray the Horde, killed loyal horde soldiers.
I love seeing the diverse cast of soldiers arresting him
Blood Elves, forsaken, orcs, troll, TAUREN
jade basalt
They betrayed the Warchief
Not the Horde, they're doing this for the Horde
Same deal as Vol'jin (and his rebellion) basically
uncut vault
I mean, seeing as doing that directly helps the Alliance, thats betraying the Horde
zealous basalt
Fight
uncut vault
intentions can be good and all, but its still actively aiding the Alliance
tulip sun
Exactly.
jade basalt
The goal was to save the Horde, and stand up to a Warchief who is literally spitting on every one of our ideals, raising her own forces and all that. The entire point is to go against the Warchief and save the Horde from her. That's why many of the Horde leaders are worried about Sylvanas or what she might do to the Horde or the future of the Horde. None of that is betraying the Horde, it's exactly for the Horde.
foggy abyss
The goal was t o stand up in a honorific way
This allowed two things
first : To show every leader that Sylvanas is a threat
uncut vault
like I said, his goals can be good
tulip sun
No, by all definitions of the word, it is a betrayal of the Horde, lol. They killed soldiers, they released a war asset to give to the ENEMY. Conversing with an enemy they are actively at war with, when they just killed your brand new god damn friend.
uncut vault
he still actively aided an alliance leader
and wounded the horde
there are now no known plans for how to deal with the Kul Tiran fleet
foggy abyss
Baine is a traitor to sylvanas's horde
in the same way as Vol'jin was a traitor to garrosh
He indeed helped the alliance that's a fact
uncut vault
seeing as voljin didnt do anything before getting assassinated, and baine openly aided the Alliance, not really equivalent
foggy abyss
He was disrespecting Garrosh
conflicted his right to be warchief
But
in a certain way
Vol'jin was still different
tulip sun
He was entirely different to be honest.
foggy abyss
Still Sylvanas Killed free willed forsakens
And tried to control Derek
She betrayed even the forsaken
uncut vault
and he could have openly opposed her, like Voljin did. But instead, he decided to aid the Alliance and kill horde members
tulip sun
He gave her a valid and good excuse to arrest him
dense plover
so the portals are actually working in this build
tulip sun
He was foolish
dense plover
so thats a plus
foggy abyss
Baine was foolish
uncut vault
for the most part
dense plover
dalaran portal npc still says to check upstairs for the brokenshore dalaran portal
uncut vault
foggy abyss
With a side allied with Sylvanas and another with Baine
uncut vault
this is a bug I occasionally run into
tulip sun
That...won't work, lol. Highly doubt it
zealous basalt
That's a bad idea that won't come to be, Shag
jade basalt
Nobody denied it didn't help the Alliance. But it also helped the Horde. Sylvanas was literally mindcontrolling her own Forsaken, something that apparently even the Forsaken find revolting. She literally betrayed both the Forsaken and the Horde. Baine undoing her plans may obviously have been favorable to the Alliance, the goal was to stop her, and save the Horde. Not a betrayal of the Horde, he betrayed Sylvanas.
There is a difference between betraying the Horde and betraying the Warchief. If the Warchief is out of line and betrays the Horde then there's no issue with the Horde stepping up and acting against them, and eventually putting them down.
foggy abyss
Just dreaming on that one tbh
jade basalt
He is called a Forsaken.
foggy abyss
Baine's move was definitly favorable to the end of Sylvanas's reign
Zeilling was horde
He joined the horde
He HELPED the horde
tulip sun
Zelling betrayed the Horde. They GAVE her the right to kill him.
I don't agree with it
tulip sun
But it was within her right, and she used it reasonably. If she let this stuff go unpunished.
More will occur
foggy abyss
Oh but
More will occur
Punishing it won't change a thing
It even made the leaders question Sylvanas
tulip sun
You don't let a traitor conspiring with the enemy just go unpunished though.\
jade basalt
Look, mindcontrolling people is not right and that's something that even the Forsaken are against. Sylvanas went full Lich King and Baine stood up to her. Yes, he thus technically betrayed her. But he didn't betray the Horde, the entire goal is to save the Horde from a genocidal LK Warchief.
foggy abyss
Sylvanas definitly went full LK
uncut vault
Okay, but how does aiding the Kul Tirans directly help the Horde?
He exposes sylvanas, causes unrest
how does that help with the kul tiran fleet about to destroy them?
foggy abyss
Exposing Sylvanas will lead to her end
tulip sun
and they JUST killed their allies.
foggy abyss
Beside
zealous basalt
And the Horde
foggy abyss
I think
zealous basalt
If you forgot
foggy abyss
We might expect Thrall soon
uncut vault
okay, cool, still got a kul tiran fleet trying to destroy them
tulip sun
Rokhan specifically realizes this.
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that he just aided
zealous basalt
The Horde is losing at that moment
tulip sun
Splitting will kill them
zealous basalt
And what?
zealous basalt
He stopped being powerful in Legion
Did you forget?
Why bring an orc whose powers faded away?
foggy abyss
I mean he can come back
dense plover
y tho
foggy abyss
Magni left us in Cataclysm
dense plover
y does he need to come back?
foggy abyss
To come back in Legion
dense plover
it adds nothing
dense plover
its boring
foggy abyss
How would it add nothing ?
zealous basalt
Thinking that the Horde stands a chance when they are split
dense plover
because its the exact same as warlords
zealous basalt
The theme of the Horde in BfA is Unity
dense plover
thrall comes back to remove a bad warchief
foggy abyss
The horde is always split
zealous basalt
if they split they are dead
foggy abyss
Since MoP 
tulip sun
The only ones supporting Baine is Garona and probably Mayla at this point
foggy abyss
We currently are slipted
tulip sun
Rokhan realizes the split will kill them
Lor'themar will join the winning side when it becomes more evident
Thalyssra will follow him
tulip sun
Rexxar's text says absolutely nothing about joining Baine, lol
foggy abyss
Thalyssra too
uncut vault
lorthemar and thalyssra have nothing about supporting baine
uncut vault
lorthemar offers a hypothetical, thalyssra is conflicted and is going to talk to lorthemar
terse patrol
inb4 saurfang returns from outland with ogres and outland maghar to fight sylvanas
tulip sun
Literally only Mayla and Garona are probably supporting him. Mayla is a probably, Garona sure.
foggy abyss
jade basalt
The entire theme of the narrative is the dichotomy between the Horde's honor and those who seek to forsake it. Baine represents the honorable aspect of the Horde while Sylvanas represents.. yet another nuts leader. Horde was saving the Horde's honor and saving the Horde from Sylvanas. I do think some of it was stupid. But claiming he betrayed the Horde is a bit far fetched specially when absolutely none of the other Horde leaders even remotely think that.
About the leaders, some haven't made a definitive decision yet but they're clearly worried about Sylvanas and what she represents. Rokhan is worried about an infighting in the Horde caused by Sylvanas, Lor'themar similarly is also worried because of Sylvanas and what she did at Teldrassil, so on.
uncut vault
geyarah literally thinks that
foggy abyss
As i said
uncut vault
talanji wants him to have fair trial for his actions
tulip sun
There are MANY different views of Honor in the Horde
foggy abyss
I think Talanji is the only fair character with Lorthemar
uncut vault
cool, he wants to preserve the hordes honor, thats very noble
zealous basalt
Honor doesn't win a war you know
uncut vault
still doesnt address him actively helping the kul tiran fleet derek would have wounded
uncut vault
she very explicitly didnt
foggy abyss
Must we forsake everything for a simple victory
zealous basalt
And he fucked his own plan
zealous basalt
You arne't understanding
tulip sun
Dude....
foggy abyss
Well she burned Teldrassil 
tulip sun
Do you read? I am seriously curious.
The war was started whether Teldrassil burned or not
uncut vault
teldrassil didnt start the war, saurfang himself says this
the invasion of ashenvale was the kickstarter
burning or not, there would have been war after that moment
dense plover
it has swingy bone bits
foggy abyss
As i said everyone has his own opinion
I have mine on Sylvanas
You have yours
Same as politics
dense plover
also, moonkin dance works
foggy abyss
those are things that are really hard to change
tulip sun
We are not debating opinions. We are debating facts about the story.
Teldrassil didn't start the war
foggy abyss
Teldrassil was the first spark to lit the fire
zealous basalt
Nope
foggy abyss
The invasion was just a pile of Powder
uncut vault
I'll find the quote from saurfang
foggy abyss
Troll feet
uncut vault
"He wanted to kill her. He wanted to declare mak’gora and spill her blood in front of Horde and Alliance alike.
But she was right.
A wound that can never heal. That had always been the plan. And Saurfang had failed to inflict it.
The story of Malfurion’s miraculous survival would have spread among the armies of the Alliance as proof that they were blessed in their cause.
War would still have come. That had been certain the moment Saurfang had led the Horde into Ashenvale. And it would have been what he had feared most: the meat grinder, spending so many lives
to achieve so little, ending with a whimper, and thus dooming future generations to a war nobody could win. Once again, Sylvanas had seen it before he had."
tulip sun
...
zealous basalt
You were so keen that you read
foggy abyss
Won't change my opinion of sylvanas but will change my point of view on the war itself
foggy abyss
I mean
I don't reject other opinions
Or facts
As long as you show em to me i'd gladly say that i'm wrong
And i was
For now i only read Before the storm and another one about the horde i don't have the name in English tho
zealous basalt
A Good War tells you about the endless cycle of hate
tulip sun
I love "A Good War"
The author did great representing the Horde
But I hope they datamine some broadcast text...I wanna see what Ji says
tulip sun
I swear to god if they have him just meditate after e.e
zealous basalt
He is not Aysa
zealous basalt
thats not manduin
tulip sun
If I do does it mean I can call off work tomorrow?
tulip sun
But honestly, I would like...Alleria, Moira, uhhhhhh. Baine, or even a secondary wow character
Aponi, Liadrin, Umbric
tulip sun
Well, it is there largest database to pull from.
zealous basalt
no
tulip sun
No? e.e
zealous basalt
i don't kno
tulip sun
Also, I would like to see a female tauren outside the game.
A cinematic, or HOTS
See how they look
tulip sun
Like the males look a lot more intimidating out of game
foggy abyss
I see how a Good war works in the storyline
Just read the first chapter got into it, i finally understand stuff feelsgoodman
hollow dock
A Good War/Elegy rewrite the events of Darkshore
supposedly
I still don't think it was ever clarified if they rewrite the pre-patch events
uncut vault
they were written a long while before the in game events
quest writers are known for inaccuracies
meager zodiac
uncut vault
only valid one one that list is vashj
we dont need another paladin, velen is old and boring, moira's gonna be a skin for the OW moira
tulip sun
I would like a Draenei though
tulip sun
We are talking about HOTS characters
terse patrol
ah
tulip sun
-that art looks nothing like in-game e.e-
terse patrol
Anduin is needed.
tulip sun
Why?
hollow dock
We have a draenei Kham
terse patrol
The Horde has all of their WoW warchiefs besides Voljin.
hollow dock
we have Yrel
tulip sun
Oh pft
uncut vault
they took off all the paladin aspects of that art
terse patrol
The Alliance only has Varian.
tulip sun
Your right
uncut vault
so they seem to be specifically avoiding that
zealous basalt
damn
hollow dock
the only real paladin aspect is the chained book
zealous basalt
that taelia
hollow dock
which honestly
uncut vault
that concept art was a pitch they accepted, not a commissioned piece
terse patrol
And the giant maul?
hollow dock
Is a giant maul
terse patrol
The maul and libram are paladin aspects.
hollow dock
Do you see any paladin runes on it?
Are all ogres secretly paladins and we just never realized it?
tulip sun
I don't think we -need- Anduin though. But I suppose most of the alliance leaders are too similar to already created HOTS people
hollow dock
and like I said, her having the giant chained book actually makes sense. She works in a dock that can get hit by Pirates at a moments notice.
terse patrol
Let's just forget Bolvar was a paladin, Mara Fordragon was the High Clerist of Stormwind.
hollow dock
Bolvar wasnt a paladin actually
hollow dock
He was a normal knight
terse patrol
<_>
tulip sun
Lets also remember the Light isn't really...prominent in Kul'tiras
If she was a paladin, I feel we would know by now
uncut vault
the light isnt a genetic thing lmao
hollow dock
also
uncut vault
she grew up in a culture with no light influence
hollow dock
Where does it actually state he's a paladin?
uncut vault
she's more likely to become a tideguard than a paladin
but shes probably just going to become a normal knight
tulip sun
Doesn't Taelia herself say her father was simply a Knight?
uncut vault
and from a personal meta standpoint, we just got over the stupid paladin > priest stuff
we dont need to move on to paladin > warrior
WoW has an abundance of paladins, a regular knight is refreshing
terse patrol
"Could it be, Lord Fordring? If Bolvar lives, mayhap there is hope fer peace between the Alliance and the Horde. We must reach the top o' this cursed place and free the paladin!"
hollow dock
It's kinda odd that they call him a paladin
but not once
in any point of his life
is he associated with paladins
or even uses the light
tulip sun
As recently as BfA I am pretty sure he is referred to as a Knight
hollow dock
does anyone else find that weird?
tulip sun
Ya.
uncut vault
he was the alliance's cleave master in vanilla, too
hollow dock
cuz I can see him being called a Paladin in the more traditional sense
terse patrol
dont des
terse patrol
Don't try to stretch this to the farthest extent just to try and be right.
hollow dock
there's no proof other than that one line that states he's a paladin
terse patrol
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
hollow dock
I'm not stretching it at all <_<
terse patrol
I just posted two links.
hollow dock
One line
that states he's a paladin
but there's no actual proof
that he's apaladin
In all the stuff he's been given and that he's been around since vanilla
notoncehas he actually been a paladin
Is that not at all weird to you
tulip sun
I think that one sentence could be a screw up
hollow dock
@jade basalt Think you can explain this?
terse patrol
“After suffering betrayal at the doorstep of his nemesis, a brave paladin was reborn in the searing heat of enchanted dragon flames. No longer fit to dwell among the living, alone he shall endure as the steward of a misbegotten throng.”
Alexstrasza: [Draconic] They must not discover the fate of the young paladin. Not yet.
hollow dock
Just keep ignoringwhat I'm saying
terse patrol
When Bolvar was stationed in Stormwind City, he used a combination of warrior and paladin abilities: [Cleave], [Shield Wall], [Lay on Hands], [Retribution Aura], and Highlord's Justice (an AoE version of [Hammer of Justice]).
hollow dock
Not saying youre wrong just asking if you at all
hollow dock
found it weird
terse patrol
Fuck, dude.
hollow dock
Literally never stated you were wrong LOL
uncut vault
Honk, Des isnt denying that hes a paladin
terse patrol
You said he never used paladin abilities.
hollow dock
I didn't
terse patrol
If you READ the article.
uncut vault
theyre wondering why when it never actually comes up in lore aside from being called a paladin
hollow dock
I stated there was never a point in allhis lore where he was actually a paladin
uncut vault
hes never been involved in paladin stuff, hes just called one
terse patrol
"
DesToday at 11:21 PM
It's kinda odd that they call him a paladin
but not once
in any point of his life
is he associated with paladins
or even uses the light"
terse patrol
He LITERALLY USES spells in the game, pre-wrath, dude.
hollow dock
He never fights the horde in stormwind in his life so he never uses those in game mechanics m8.
terse patrol
wat
hollow dock
Again, look over his lore
terse patrol
When Bolvar was stationed in Stormwind City, he used a combination of warrior and paladin abilities: [Cleave], [Shield Wall], [Lay on Hands], [Retribution Aura], and Highlord's Justice (an AoE version of [Hammer of Justice]).
hollow dock
Which is the one point I am bringing up
I don't think Honk actually understands a word I'm saying
terse patrol
Paladin is mentioned eight times on his page.
hollow dock
He just thinks I'm saying he's wrong
zealous basalt
...
terse patrol
"It's not in his lore reeee!"
zealous basalt
In game mechanics =/ Lore
hollow dock
That's not even how I have been acting
zealous basalt
=/=
hollow dock
I legitimately asked
non-chilant
that it was weird that he's a paladin even though none of his story actually brings it up
dense plover
^
he isnt saying that he isnt a paladin
he is saying that he never uses any paladin powers
hollow dock
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
terse patrol
AEUUGHG
terse patrol
"He never uses paladin powers."
zealous basalt
I said before
hollow dock
A single time
zealous basalt
In game mechanics aren't lore
hollow dock
Not once have I said he's not a paladin
dense plover
same
hollow dock
Just that it was weird that he's built as a paladin in the game dialogue
But never actually shown to be a paladin
terse patrol
fuck this is the most pedantic and stupid conversation ever
hollow dock
You're the one trying to shove down our throats that you're right
and you are
but we just thought it was weird
and you continued to shove down our throats that you're right
??????????????
terse patrol
How has he not been shown to be a paladin?
terse patrol
Does it need to happen in a book?
uncut vault
he's called it in name and mechanics, but hasnt been involved in anything light or paladin related
terse patrol
He must be a druid, for all its worth.
hollow dock
Thank you port
uncut vault
we've never seen any connection with him to the church or the silver hand beyond tirion calling him brother
hollow dock
Nice attempt to Strawman Honk :v
terse patrol
We don't debate fucking Hoggers class.
zealous basalt
Abilities
hollow dock
that's well established
zealous basalt
We are asking
terse patrol
"Doesnt mean he has them in lore."
hollow dock
IS IT NOT WEIRD THAT THIS HAPPENED IN THIS SPECIFIC WAY
dense plover
like - wrathgate
zealous basalt
If there is a book, or piece of the lore
terse patrol
I think he very well does when everyone in the lore calls him a fucking paladin.
zealous basalt
where he actually acts like one
dense plover
the fuck does bolvar do?
zealous basalt
Heck
dense plover
storm in with a sword
hollow dock
Act like Idk
dense plover
he doesnt use the light
hollow dock
A KNIGHT
dense plover
he is just a soldier
zealous basalt
if he was a paladin we would have seen light stuff
hollow dock
thank you peach
terse patrol
Ok, does Uther just use Light? No, he smacked things with a hammer, and used the Light sometimes when needed.
hollow dock
Literally everyone is understanding where I am coming from
and yes
Uther DID use light
you bafoon
zealous basalt
Uther spammed light
dense plover
like
terse patrol
gosh
dense plover
he casts it in cutscenes
zealous basalt
See?
hollow dock
You clearly didn't read Arthas' lore book then
Cuz
He used the light to actually nearly kill Arthas
dense plover
^
zealous basalt
You are trying to use our own words but it's not working for you dude
hollow dock
Were it not for Arthas' dirty little stab, Uther and his overbearing light that was snuffing out Arthas' darkness would have ended the damned prince right there
Oh and let's not forget all of Uther's stuff when he first became a paladin in the second war.
Which is also well documented
Again
Paladin stuff being documented for paladins
that's pretty common
but for a paladin to be called one but never actually shown to be one
that's odd
zealous basalt
In short
Bolvar got called paladin but we never saw things that related him to one in important moments of the game
terse patrol
Oh yeah.
Knight is never mentioned once on his page, save for when talking about death knights.
So idk where this "he was a knight" thing is coming from.
hollow dock
He's still just being an ass about not being wrong.
In which the "He was a knight" came from the fact that well. He was Regent Lord of Stormwind, a General of the Alliance, and various other things that are also associated with normal warriors/knights of the alliance
terse patrol
Oh wait, because he was probably a KNIGHT OF THE SILVER HAND, considering Bolvar calls him an "old friend" and "brother".
hollow dock
But he was never actually apart of the Silver Hand
terse patrol
Was he?
hollow dock
Not to mention both Tirion and Bolvar are veterans of ya know. The second war?
terse patrol
Because there's no lore pre-regency save for the Taelia bit.
hollow dock
Lordaeron all that old goodness.
uncut vault
the artists who pitched taelias model put out the concept art, had a few paladin esque things that got cut from the actual model
inner copper
Oh
Isn’t taelia just a female human model with existing customizations???
(Taelia as in Bolvar’s daughter, right?)
inner copper
Oh, just the armor
inner copper
what build is it right now?
modern axle
Regarding Baines arrest and Rexxars reaction to it, I think it's highly possible we could see Thrall returning, if he believes Thrall is one of the people who should know about it
though he could just tell Saurfang
hollow dock
As much of a proper story it sounds, its really just up to metzen if they are going to toss thrall back into the story.
inner copper
wow the zombitch arrested Baine? who would have seen that coming
modern axle
Yeah, though I believe Metzen is up for returning after that Blizzcon Q&A?
inner copper
why did Metzen leave anyway?
tropic trail
It was because he tried to free the dead proudmore or something?
hollow dock
Anxiety attacks and personal health
inner copper
what assassination plans???
inner copper
he let Derek go didn't he..?
hollow dock
Derek was going to be a sleeper agent for the horde
tropic trail
Metzen left because he felt guilty for Garrosh
inner copper
I know about derek
hollow dock
And murder jaina and katherine
inner copper
but he let him go didn't he?
hollow dock
That was the whole point of then raising hi.
So baune released him before that couls happe
Happen*
hollow dock
But yea. Betraying your warchief is kinda a crime punishable by death
inner copper
alliance Tauren allied race for 8.3
tropic trail
No...
inner copper
its just a mocking joke chill
tropic trail
I remember when ppl were joking about Mag'har being an alliance allied race...was horrified
hollow dock
But Sylvanas only killed Zeilling. As shes certain he was the weak one and actually let him escape. She is seeming to want to let baine stand trial and defend his actions.
uncut vault
tropic trail
Traitor
hollow dock
It is
inner copper
using a toy or something
uncut vault
Yeah it’s my gnome, orb of deception makes them Tauren
inner copper
XD
uncut vault
I dressed him up after Teldrassil
inner copper
I can't get the flipping items for the rest of the guard set
tropic trail
Grind orcs in draenor
inner copper
and honestly I'd rather not return to my garrison OR draenor
tropic trail
I wish draenor did not exist
uncut vault
I just spam reset iron docks
tropic trail
Outland is good
uncut vault
First boss has a high chance of dropping the items
hollow dock
Draenor is outland ya dingus
tropic trail
Iron Docks...ptsd dungeon finder memories return
inner copper
I literally only did iron docks from lvl 90-98
tropic trail
I mean AU draenor
hollow dock
I still fail to see the issues with AU Draenor tbh. It was an empty as fuck expansion but what content was there. It was pretty decent.
tropic trail
Ruined Grom
hollow dock
How? Grom in our universe very much regrets everything he did
tropic trail
He became jesus
hollow dock
Wha?....
tropic trail
Died, removed corruption and bloodlust
tropic trail
MU grom
hollow dock
Thats actually literslly what happened in the NORMAL timeline
AU Grom fought against going corrupted in the first place
tropic trail
I'm saying I like MU Grom because he died and became an orc hero
hollow dock
Also the bloodlust of orcs is innate
Not skmething brought on by the corruption. MU grom didnt stop that.
tropic trail
AU Grom went on a killing spree without demon blood for some reason
hollow dock
Thats kiterally
uncut vault
Grommash was fine until Draenor Is Free, but they fixed that with the maghar recruitment story, for the most part
hollow dock
Did you not watch his warbringers episode
Where he literally went on a warpath againdt the ogres because he could?
tropic trail
Lords of War?
hollow dock
Yea lords of war
tropic trail
That was about MU Grom?
hollow dock
No?
tropic trail
MU Maraad told it
hollow dock
Well technically it was for both AU and MU
The onky difference being Groms wife died
Before giving birth to Garrosh
tropic trail
The lords of war stories was about both MU and AU versions of characters?
hollow dock
Yes
hollow dock
Maraads was just building backstory for Maraad, however I do theorize that it could work for MU Maraad assuming that one change happens between the AU and MU story as it does with literally everyone els
Else*
Which is Maraad dies to that orc he saw
AU Maraad* that is.
tropic trail
Does anyone in AU Draenor recognise him?
tropic trail
Could it be that he never existed in AU
hollow dock
Its a possibility but I do not think that its likely. Personally.
tropic trail
Does AU has an argus that also became part of the legion?
hollow dock
No. Thats where the timeline and how timelines work become very messy
tropic trail
Because there's only 1 legion
hollow dock
And theres only 1 twisting nether
So whatever enters the nether, theoretically, wipes out any other copies of themselves across all other timelines.
Hence why theres not a corrupted velen in any timeline.
tropic trail
Did outland become part of the twisting nether?
hollow dock
No. It sits at the edge of the nether
Not crossed over
Due to its fuckery with portals
tropic trail
Bronze Dragonflight stories give me a headache
hollow dock
Just. Ignore legion stuff.
Enjoy AU Draenor as a big 'what if' story as thats what it is
limber mural
I just forget Outland and Draenor existed. Makes life a lot kinder on the brain.
tropic trail
Outland does exist in the world, idk what happened to it after tbc
hollow dock
Lords of War and WoD serve to give us backstory not only to what the main universe counterparts are but set them up for us to fight as bosses
tropic trail
And yet no Grom fight 😦
hollow dock
Ever since Garrosh hyjacked the dark portal and the legions been defeated for good, outlands been a pretty peaceful place.
Grom saw the bigger picture. He was originally intended to be a boss
Supposedly
But cut content and unfinished works
tropic trail
With new Gorehowl model to drop
jade basalt
@hollow dock Yeah there's many references to Bolvar as a paladin, I too found it odd back then but he did use a couple Light abilities if my memory is correct. But yeah he's a paladin.
As for Taelia, pretty sure that she isn't a paladin now, because Kul Tiras is visibly not very Light-using, but she very well could become one later. Possibly thanks to Anduin's influence. The person who concepted Taelia gave me a nod when I asked about that.
hollow dock
Yea I get that he is. Just thought it was weird that, outside of his vanilla NPC, we didn't actually see him being a paladin.
tropic trail
2 paladins became the lich king
hollow dock
YEa we did Kham. Kinda empty wise words that makes him the more neutral party that admits that Baine's actions were needed. Otherwise he might do something that actually impedes the horde rather than just betray his warchief. Least as I'm reading them anyways.
distant folio
Basically yeah
He is comparing it to their dealing with the sha, about how they preferred ignoring the threat and suppressing their emotions and how that led to even worse consequences much later, instead of acting much sooner, like Baine did, and all should take a lesson from it.
I wonder what's in store for Saurfang now
All these Horde leaders being wary (or more than wary for some) of Sylvanas now is just what Saurfang needed for his rebellion
I can't see this going any differently than MoP's 5.3. All the Horde leaders join the rebellion against Sylvanas. Sylvanas even has a Nazgrim, Geyara.
But they said there won't be a Siege of Orgrimmar 2.0...
At the last moment, Sylvanas uses Xal'atath to become the Avatar of N'Zoth or something. BUT she uses her new powers to defeat the Old God, hurray! And then she vanishes like Kerrigan forever.
tropic trail
I thought Nathanos is like Sylvanas' Nazgrim
dense plover
No
It’s heavily implied that Nathanos and sylvanas were in a relationship before becoming undead
So he is like her second in command, but also her lover
tropic trail
I don't think undead care about things like the living do
tropic trail
There were some quests about undead not caring and feeling nothing in the starter zone
jade basalt
There are strong parallels between Geyarah and Nazgrim in that they are both orc generals with an unwavering belief in loyalty above all else. Nazgrim because he was Kor'kron and it was his job, notably, in his heart he was sad and disappointed, but he had to fulfill his duty.
Nathanos is more like Sylvanas' groupie, but even he had doubts towards her, both in the short story, and at Teldrassil, etc. Not saying he can't be compared to Nazgrim but the comparison seems more apt with Geyarah.
Nathanos and Sylvanas did have a relationship early in life, and while they may still have feelings (possibly) it's unsure whether that relationship has resumed.
tropic trail
Maybe Elves are different shrug
dense plover
Undead when first created are very disoriented
tropic trail
They won't just kill off someone they just introduced
dense plover
They often only experience strong emotions of hate at first
But that’s not permanent
Although it can leave a lasting impression
tropic trail
Can undead die?
jade basalt
Yes
tropic trail
Is it more difficult to kill them or do they die like everyone else
Sylvanas died twice while she was undead
jade basalt
It certainly can be more difficult to harm or kill them, but no one's immune to a severed head
dense plover
Sylvanas is special
She has valkyr
Who bring her back to life again and take her place in hell
And or the afterlife
She only has 2 more I think
She lost one to tyrande in darkshore
tropic trail
Regular undead don't really have vital organs like hearts so I doubt a stab to the chest will kill them
dense plover
You can kill undead like you can kill anything else
tropic trail
How many did she start with?
tropic trail
Including the one that brought her back after she jumped from icecrown?
dense plover
Yes
inner copper
when a freaking guy that committed suicide because he didn't want to server a worsen king backstabbed her and killed her I freaking laughed so hard
dense plover
I think so
jade basalt
9 is correct
inner copper
worgen king*
tropic trail
Them glitchy silverpine quests
dense plover
Glitchy?
I’ve never had problems
The pacing is a bit weird
But that’s because it’s old
Cata was 10 years ago
tropic trail
First 3 alts that went there were fine, fourth alt I found a bug
dense plover
Did you report the bug?
tropic trail
I checked the forums its been there for years
inner copper
alani is still broken as well
dense plover
Alani?
tropic trail
The escort thing to the gilneas gate has a bug to where you fail if you're not direcly next to sylvanas
inner copper
thundering ruby cloud serpent in vale of eternal blossoms
dense plover
That’s most old escort quests
You have to stay right with the npc
Or it fails
At least it isn’t the stupid fungarian giant escort quest in zangarmarah
tropic trail
I mean If you fall 1 step behind it fails
inner copper
dense plover
That’s 1000x worse
inner copper
its broken
dense plover
What do you mean it’s broken
tropic trail
It worked fine most of the other times I did it only with my warrior
inner copper
no buff to dispel, can't attack AT ALL
tropic trail
Kill mobs in the area
inner copper
can't use the skycrystal without the buff, thats what I mean by dispelling it
inner copper
I've had the crystal in my inventory for months
dense plover
I guess it’s low priority ¯_(ツ)_/¯
inner copper
since you can now auction it
tropic trail
Can you get more than 1?
dense plover
Shouldn’t this be in regular wow chat?
hollow dock
@inner copper Make a ticket to a GM so that you can get them to see why the crystal is disabled for you
sharp gulch
its a widely known problem, only way to fix it is to find alani on a diff server thats not bugged or wait out till server reset 
tulip sun
HHaha
strange falcon
the guards have hit the gym and are now more stronk. From blizz latest hotfix
frigid crater
vestal otter
lol
jade basalt
@uncut vault What happened in Stormwind during the Leatherworking questline on PTR exactly ? Night elf sounds pissed
hollow dock
a few months ago her home burned down.