but it does force the vulpera to attack the sethrak
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
which they are apart of the horde
so ya know
by association they force the sethrak into the alliance
dense plover
the vulpera attack the sethrakk because they are sethrakk and persecuted the vulpera
hollow dock
the faithless* did that.
dense plover
theres no evidence of the sethrakk teaming up directly with the alliance in the assaults is there?
hollow dock
the faithfuls did not. but the vulpera don't care about that
dense plover
pretty sure the vulpera are only attacking the faithless
the bad sethrakk
since the vulpera actually meet the good sethrakk
and work with them
and ally with them
to end the faithless
hollow dock
again the line specifically states
"those damn sethrak and those damn alliance."
you're horde you should have run into that
dense plover
that doesnt imply they are working together
hollow dock
we
dense plover
that implies they are both problems
dense plover
that damned storm and those damn alligators
two separate issues occuring at once
the storm and the alligators are unrelated
hollow dock
again
dense plover
if we see the alliance start arming and organizing sethrakk, then I will see it as a possibility
dense plover
we can talk about it after I finish my italian hw
terse patrol
I should note that the Alliance does find the first part of the key, and meet the Sethrak/rescue their leader. (who dont tell the Horde about the Alliances presence in Voldun.)
There’s not a tight friendship here but
If the Vulpera are going agro against Vorrik in the future, I think they might be forced to join the Alliance out of necessity.
hollow dock
that's litearlly what I just said
terse patrol
Yeah but maybe another voice will convince him. @hollow dock
:p
For whatever reason, Hordies think the Vulpera are friends with the Faithful.
dense plover
when do they attack vorrik and the faithful?
like legitmately, im asking. I havent done the assault b/c it hasnt been up while ive been online
meager warren
Look at Des thinking he's the smartest person in this channel, again
steel venture
Vulpera could easily be turned against the Faithful if the Faithful are still friendly to the Alliance despite their raids on Vulpera.
meager warren
And the Sethrak could easily turn into another Faithless subfaction
strange falcon
jovial skiff
Nice
misty blaze
she looks so sexy
night swift
Pixels in a video game but ok
meager warren
What if...
We're all pixels in a video game
steel venture
@jade basalt It apparently has wings, maybe it's a couatl redesign?
jade basalt
Huh, apparently they fixed the blindfold night elf face https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/406282965438562314/524477185692532741/unknown.png
They've actually been doing a lot of graphical/transmog/armor fixes in 8.1
steel venture
!!! omg they actually finally fixed it???
lucid steeple
bull shit game....i forgot i had my healm in my bag and i scraped it im so retarded
viral grotto
o o f
tranquil steeple
go item restore it then
strange falcon
meager warren
Jingle Bells
Sylvanas Smells
Garrosh was a dick
Thrall is naive
Jaina's babe
And...that's all i got
daring wind
Jingle bells,
Forsaken smells,
Khadgar ran away!
Vol'jin died
Jaina cried
OLD GODS ALL THE WAY
HEY!
muted canopy
@lucid steeple you can recover that item.
strange falcon
lucid fog
so what i gather story wise the allaince kind of win in 8.1?
while the entire horde is sitting there wondering why this evil woman is warcheif
muted canopy
i googled blizzard item recovery, look what came up! - https://battle.net/support/restoration
lucid steeple
k thx
it says its sending the item in the mail....i dont think its giveing me back my head....i thinkits giveing me the craped items....
dense plover
you select the item
you selecct the specific item
it doesnt randomly selecc the item
READ
its written in text
on the fucking page
lucid steeple
im lookingat the page now review item restoration.
lucid steeple
We will send the following items to your in-game mailbox.
7th Legionnaire's Visage
2 Tempest Hide
2 Hardened Tempest Hide
2 Calcified Bone
is it sneidng back my head?
terse patrol
My only guess is, maybe the dagger would be used to imprison N’zoth. If Xal’atath is an Old God, makes sense it could be used to imprison another. @hollow dock
But
Pure speculation.
I’ll be annoyed if it’s Sylvanas who saves everyone.
lucid steeple
Why is blizzard fixing up Auberdine?
lucid steeple
why rebuild it its beautiful but why bother we cant live on the horde side?
unless that will just be the massive base spot later on since its just a war front
lucid steeple
They flood that spot with plague but alliance they dont.... so what one is cannon?
night swift
which wont be until the end of bfa
lucid steeple
Wait they did have a video on the warfront so its not legit cannon untill BFA ends they they make the new game?
thats confuseing now :l
lucid steeple
ok
hollow dock
until BFA ends
lucid steeple
its just endless war untill the BFA ends and they pick a wining side
i got ya now 😉
but how do they deside who wins dose blizzard jsut flip a coin and wait what side?
hollow dock
Blizzards writing decides it
lucid steeple
Thank you @hollow dock
sullen dagger
strange falcon
dense plover
not oof
its artificial scarcity
retire the old stuff, make a bunch of money, release them 3 years from now, make a ton of money
also, i think they wanted to remove store transmog stuff
strange falcon
"players are angry about the new store mount" "then just make a promotion to sell more"
classic activision schemes
dense plover
because they only did it once and it was poorly recieved
this has been planned for a while actually
the store files for this were datamined early in the 8.1 ptr
its a way to make money
it isnt skeezy
its just a waste unless you actually want those things
generally, it seems to be items that arent selling well and take up 'floor space' in their store
the more garbage you show, the less people are likely to buy
so add new popular stuff and retire the old stuff
not shitty business practices, smart business actually
terse patrol
I bought it, because I intend to return to the game later
faint notch
I am considering buying it if I find a way to get 4 tokens
And I am bad at earninf gold :(
steel venture
Oof that artificial scarcity.
You'd think they'd retire the ACTUALLY old mounts.
Like sparklehorse.
dense plover
i think they are retiring these because these are the ones players hate the most
most of these are mounts that shouldve been rep rewards
and most of the pets raid stuff
and most of the helmets raid stuff
pallid crescent
well the moonkins can't be bought separatedly afaik
or I for one couldn't see them in the store from ingame
oh, I can see them in the blizz client though, NVM then!
dull flame
Saw asmongold shittalk that bundle so hard yday
hollow dock
yea when doesn't asmongold shit talk something.
jade basalt
I never had a strong opinion on the guy but.. the other day he was actively telling his followers, on stream, to kick people who possess store mounts.
That's just shitty, you're not hurting Blizzard a bit by doing that, you're hurting your own fellow players..
terse patrol
yall ever seen Asmongolds room
For your viewing pleasure
@jade basalt @hollow dock
hollow dock
@jade basalt He's an entertainer. So he does it to entertain his followers.
but sadly
People are idiots
and think it's what he actually thinks
terse patrol
less rotting food rather than no rotting food
steel venture
I mean do we not expect his room to be gross?
He's a 30-something over-opinionated streamer that's "famous" by luck.
tropic trail
Not luck, ever watched a stream?
hollow dock
He's no different than most WoW streamers. Like nothing separates him from the rest.
that'swhat they mean by luck
night swift
He’s your typical tries to act cool wow streamer
slate loom
Any predictons to op classes Like wl in ghuun sind rogue in zul for daz?
uncut vault
Specs that can use off hands for Jaina
tropic trail
Ug... I watched that video. What a pig. Looks like a Hoarders episode
dawn gust
sad to see people defend artificial scarcity schemes to spike end of year revenue
Digital products are not scarce, they're infinite. Removing them is anti-consumer.
glacial river
Digital items take up room, same as anything else. That and most of those items have been on the store for over a decade. Updating is crucial to staying relevant, just like what they are doing with the gear store.
jade basalt
Panda, I think there's a slight nuance between not being okay with Blizz removing store items, and actively telling people to stop inviting or to kick players who possess store mounts.
You may or may not be okay with the former, and that's perfectly fine. But doing the latter is just straight up stupid and unkind, no matter your stance regarding the former.
humble sun
Welp.... If I'm running the risk of getting kicked from groups for having store mounts, there goes my sub.
jovial skiff
😂
hollow dock
Im exclusively using my store mounts now. Fuck those people who want to punish people for how they use their money
dense plover
yes
tranquil steeple
sigh
jade basalt
Yeah, even reached r/wow
night swift
One if my favorite mounts is a store mount so anyone that gives me shit for its gonna get yeeted
gleaming jay
People do that?
white coral
🤦♀️ people are ridiculous
steel venture
Asmongold, because he's a stubborn child, is promoting a witchhunt to folks that have anything from the store.
Basically.
And it's blowing out of proportion.
hollow dock
whaaaa. the man baby is being a man baby?
steel venture
Fun fact: He has the Dreadwake mount so he's also being an absolute hypocrite. Unsurprisingly.
hollow dock
"But dreadwake wasn't from the store it was from the WoW sub. So ha he's not a hypocrit" - Every asmongold fanboi
I'm also 90% certain he has actual store mounts in his roster of mounts
he just doesn't use em
steel venture
He does.
steel venture
Yeah he does.
It's literally not hard to check how hypocritical he is but. //shrugs
He knows how to rile up the mob.
hollow dock
but Nile, you know no one who wants to be outraged and perform a witchhunt actually do research
that means learning and making decisions
steel venture
And now the witchhunt is literally gotten to r/wow so it's going to continue for at least a few weeks.
hollow dock
My bet is it'll last almost indefinitely now.
tranquil steeple
if I can somehow find out who's part of the witchhunt
I'd prolly just jump on a store mount near them
when I'm not in a group with them
steel venture
Honestly, I'm only agreeing that the artificial scarcity is dumb. But I also have all the mounts that are being retired, lmao.
Mainly cause they were all gifted to me? By close friends?
Over the last few holidays?
Cus it's literally an option for people to give gifts in game without worrying about gold cost or possible threat of money-trading ... ?
tranquil steeple
ye but asmongold fanboi + having a single friend = universe collapsing 
steel venture
Yep.
formal depot
hollow dock
Yes but everyone seemed to care about store mounts
hollow dock
sad. very sad].
night swift
Extremely sad
meager warren
Wait, there are asmongold fanbois?
hollow dock
Why is that a surprise to you
zealous basalt
Because he is sarcastic
meager warren
Or am i 🤔
strange falcon
maybe that was the case because storemounts are a thing you have to spend actual money on and could just as well be ingame rewards for difficult activities while vulpera are a race,and we are going to get more allied races regardless even if it wasnt vulpera
🤔
hollow dock
I earned ny store mounts by playing in game though.
me thinks a lot of people have their panties in a twist over superficial stuff that honestly means nothing as store mounts no longer require real money to get.
zealous basalt
People need to stop playing wow
People want mankind to change
But let them be commanded by some dude in youtube
?
dense plover
People are upset because people think blizz spends resources on mounts instead of the game
The problem is that mindset is fucking wrong
A mount is essentially cosmetic microtransactions
It’s created for the same reason
Spare artists and wanting to keep them employed without making them switch projects or letting the shareholders fire them
Art for 8.2 is clearly very far along
zealous basalt
Yeah but you know how the mass is
dense plover
And the people who work on npc art are probably already done
zealous basalt
They think one cloak takes all the effort
dense plover
Which is why most of what we saw at Blizzcon was NPC models
zealous basalt
They dont understand and the problem is that they take more people into thst same mindset
dense plover
The problem is those art teams are probably all separate and people don’t understand that
There’s a separate team for environmental art, weapons, armor, npcs, abilities, etc
The abilities team usually finishes early too
That’s why we get fun toys
Like the great father winter hearthstone
Or any toy that has a spell effect
dense plover
They choose to not listen
They would rather be angry
They are toxic
plays “Toxic” by Brittney Spears
zealous basalt
Mass is stupid
dense plover
Duh
Mob mentality
Now is it ok to be upset at blizzard? Yes
For store mounts? Depends
In the case of 8.0 with all of the horses? Sure. But considering 8.1 and the preview of 8.2, they clearly realized their mistake and have already rectified it
tulip sun
Horses don't mind me
They obviously still put work into them
And it makes sense for humand
dense plover
they got A LOT of horses
steel venture
TBH: The main reason there's so many freaking horses is the same reason there's so many wolves.
It's the characteristic human mount.
Just like wolves are the characteristic orc mount.
The only difference is that Alliance-side, other races mounts are under-represented. Some new rams would be nice, for example.
And they did scrap the concept of Worgen using boar-mounts when Blizzard decided to make playable worgen less feral, so unfortunately we don't get that.
hollow dock
@steel venture Check out the screenshots and have a laugh
steel venture
oof.
meager warren
I thought worgs were the characteristic orc mount ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
zealous basalt
Worgs and wolves
tulip sun
Like the Maghar got orcs. It probably will always be that way
Orcs get wolves and humans horses. I am sure if it were another race you'd get some neat mounts
jade basalt
All of that is true, but I think the complaint is, at its core, legitimate. Kul Tiras mount rewards could have been more varied. And original. Something octopus-like from Stormsong (or existing mounts like a jellyfish, a sea serpent..), a Wicker mount from Drustvar, and a boat (like the Dreadwake) from Tiragarde for example. Or anything else. But only horses, that's a bit hard.
This is more from a wishlist aspect but : a wickerhound mount from Drustvar would've been really great. Or Drust-themed raid sets (Gorak Tul-like). Drustvar as a whole is a bit of a shame because it's got great esthetics and folklore, which are probably never going to amount to anything or be used again (the only unique esthetic rewards from it are a few weapons - the wicker fist, wicker warglaive, wicker staff etc.)
hollow dock
it was going to be grand gryphons
which sure isn't original
was better than horses
but we bitched for it
night swift
I wanted the gryphons as well
Gryphons are just better than horses as well since they can fly
terse patrol
@hollow dock Well, they removed those because the Horde lacked an equivalent.
(Though if I recall, the Horde currently has a special flying mount as is via a questline)
light torches
proud dome
Erm... wyverns?
jade basalt
I believe we're supposed to teach that pterrordax how to fly when they add Pathfinder 2
hollow dock
7.2, broken shore. that's when part 2 was released.
ruby prawn
I wish they added it in Tides of Vengeance
hollow dock
I'm honestly enjoying it. More interactive when you have to care about your pathing
ruby prawn
I know it was at the same time as broken shore, so why in the middle of the xpac?
hollow dock
Do you not remember why they decided to do the pathfinder in the first place?
Why they had removed flying?
ruby prawn
It's been months and I want to level my alts
hollow dock
they flew over everything.
limber mural
'look at this grass we designed'
it's right that we should appreciate what they made before we skip it with flying
hollow dock
^
ruby prawn
^
ruby prawn
It's still late though
hollow dock
they're confident we searched every nook and cranny before giving us the option to skip it
it's not late tho
You're just impatient
Late would be. ya know
the end of the expansion
Middle of it, you get a year and a half of flying around.
ruby prawn
I don't mind having to run on a mount on my main, but I can't stand being dazed and dismounted when leveling alts
ruby prawn
Do you even level alts?
hollow dock
I do.
tranquil steeple
buy the leather barding w/e thing then
hollow dock
I still just don't run through mobs
tranquil steeple
prevents you from being dazed while mounted
ruby prawn
Wow, you are so smart, why did I not think of not running into them?
@tranquil steeple how much does it cost
hollow dock
Clearly you never had, despite your sarcastic tones, if you keep getting dazed
tranquil steeple
depends on realm
ruby prawn
Let me tell you how it goes
tranquil steeple
lemme find the price it goes for on my realm
hollow dock
Let's see how it goes for you.
ruby prawn
I go to mob zone to do quest -> I finish it -> I mount up to get back to quest giver -> mobs respawn -> mobs daze me :(
hollow dock
Why not just run out of the mob area first and then mount up?
IE. Don't run through the mobs
tranquil steeple
"Coarse Leather Binding" being the BfA version goes for 214g for a single one on Stormscale
limber mural
You save what, 30 seconds by tryna run through mobs
tranquil steeple
each leather binding lasts 2h for non-Leatherworkers
limber mural
And lose 3 minutes by failing and dying
tranquil steeple
and 8 hours for leatherworkers (but I assume it'll require Zandalar/Kul'Tiras leatherworking to increase duration)
ruby prawn
Vris
I would still run into the mobs
I would still be killed or slowed down by abilities (some of them)
hollow dock
You running out of the mob area to then mount up drags them out of the aggro ranges.
I've leveled up 31 different toons. You can't bullshit me on that
ruby prawn
It's still faster with a mount
hollow dock
By what.
20 or 30 seconds
only to waste twice as much by getting dazed
and slown down
ruby prawn
Even if you get dazed
ruby prawn
The distance you cover while being mounted is much greater than walking the same distance
hollow dock
not if you get dazed off the friggin mount
ruby prawn
Then you run into the mobs and they may daze you
hollow dock
which is what we're trying to tell you
ruby prawn
You won't get dazed as soon as you mount
hollow dock
You can't use abilities on a mount. While running out of their spawning area, you can.
tranquil steeple
a questionable efficiency method I've used in regards to running through a pack of mobs
hollow dock
Forcing them to reset aggro ranges and you never run into the daze issue
tranquil steeple
is to jump and using my mouse, turn to face the mobs mid-jump
then face forward again before the next jump
hollow dock
I do that while running and slowing hte mobs so that when I hit the road
they're just resetting and I'm out of combat
limber mural
Or use the heirloom mount. Can't be dazed off that
tranquil steeple
but that's usually just for packs of mobs I have to run through
limber mural
It's not fast but you can't be dazed off it
hollow dock
Nope
ruby prawn
Related to the "3 lies" puzzle?
hollow dock
and likely we never will.
ruby prawn
Why :(
hollow dock
Because it's just old god stuff. We're meant to come to our own conclusions and fight each other about it.
ruby prawn
Well, mission complete, now who won?
hollow dock
No one
ruby prawn
:(
hollow dock
basically yea.
tranquil steeple
but for actually figuring out the mystery/puzzle whatever... nobody.
hollow dock
For all we know, Il'gynoth was looking in a different timeline but the words reached us.
ruby prawn
Does anyone know why blizzard loves alliance characters more than the horde ones?
hollow dock
Uh what
Have you not done the darkshore questline?
War of Thorns?
Saurfang?
Hello?
limber mural
the horde are the bad guys my dude
hollow dock
Are you legally blind?
ruby prawn
Overall, they like alliance leaders much more
hollow dock
I find that very false
limber mural
because there's barely any left that aren't objectively evil
ruby prawn
The horde went through leaders like butter and killed a lot of old ones
limber mural
or there to make the numbers up (hi lor'themar)
ruby prawn
Now they can't even kill an alliance char
hollow dock
They killed a grand total of 3 horde leaders.
ruby prawn
And only Varian on Alliance
hollow dock
they killed off Varian, made Tyrande and Malfurion obsolete, Velen's doing fuck all
Alleria and Turalyon, two people of LEGEND are delegated
to nothing
how exactly is it that Blizzard shows more love to them again?
ruby prawn
Tyrande and Malfurion are just starting a new "age"
hollow dock
They've been "starting" their new age since VANILLA
They've not grown or changed or even adapted.
they're the same characters. Stagnent.
ruby prawn
Velen is basically forgotten, but who on the Horse side gets love? Sylvanas and Saurfang
ruby prawn
They killed off a great Character for nothing
hollow dock
Carine died to show the consequences of Thrall's actions, Vol'jin died to push the Sylvanas story.
Which btw
ruby prawn
I meant Saurfang
strong condor
I'm still mad Vol'jin died liked thaf
hollow dock
Objectively, Blizzard has always shown more love to the Horde
ruby prawn
The fact that they killed Vol'jin is the worst part
hollow dock
it constantly gets the story meat chunks in game
Alliance gets the books
To show just how far the Horde plot armor has gotten
hollow dock
First off
Velen in WoD
wasn't our Velen
it was an AU velen that still got killed
ruby prawn
Second off, Vol'jin did nothing
ruby prawn
Yeah, and vol'jin almost didn't even appear
hollow dock
Vol'jin rallied the horde during Pandaria, led an uprising in cata.
He had 2 expansions and two books
focused up on him
Not to mention WoD overall was a huge failure for BOTH sides
in terms of the story because so much was cut
ruby prawn
While still having alliance characters that progressed with him at the same time (in their story)
hollow dock
Except that only 2 did.
Well actually no 3 in Pandaria
1 in Cata
that one in cata was Varian btw.
only in book form
mind you
Nothing shown in game. While all of Vol'jin's stuff was in game. Until the scenario in Pandaria.
when he nearly died
then he got a book, and a few patches focusing up on him
Varian gets axed off.
ruby prawn
For me, horde leaders feel to expendable and only exist in relation to the story, instead of being the story
hollow dock
same with him.
That is a shame because it's quite the opposite
the horde leaders are the story
the alliance exists to push the hordes story forward
why do you think so little is given to the alliance?
BFA is honestly the most alliance pride we've gotten since Wrath of the fucking Lich King
ruby prawn
And when did we get horde pride?
ruby prawn
Garrosh was hated by everyone, Sylvanas and nathanos are hated as well
hollow dock
Sylvanas isn't hated by everyone.
She's hated by a very vocal minority
she's overall loved.
Saurfang is loved by that same vocal minority
hollow dock
By most of the horde. She's winning a war.
ruby prawn
The undead think Sylvanas forgot about them (or something like that)
hollow dock
If you were to actually tally up people who are playing in game, most horde members will respond with a don't care, or like of Sylvanas. Course they also like saurfang.
Not true at all
The desolate council was in spite of Sylvanas because they wanted to die.
ruby prawn
It was in the book
ruby prawn
That's not true at all
hollow dock
which is Sylvanas' goal.
Yes it is
Re-read Edge of Night, the Cataclysm starting for the undead, silverpine forest, and Before the Storm
ruby prawn
They are free to choose if they want to continue living or not
hollow dock
All of your proof is right there.
False
As seen with Warcraft Traveler: Undead are not actually given a free will of choice to live or die.
The majority of them would want to die, but aren't allowed such a luxury. And with seeing Sylvanas and her Val'kyr in action for BFA, she's not giving people the choice to get risen anymore.
ruby prawn
I think you can see an example proving you wrong as soon as you make an undead character
hollow dock
Back in Cataclysm. Traveler on the other hand is far more current.
times and people change.
I want you to play the horde war campaign when it comes to finally raising Derek
hollow dock
and I want you to tell me if he sounds like he had the choice of coming back
hollow dock
And yet
ruby prawn
The bad guy, again
ruby prawn
Blizzard wants us to hate her
hollow dock
Not at all.
If you feel that way, it's on you.
the writers and devs legitimately see this as just her being in character.
We see her as evil because we are taught it's wrong to do what she does
but she doesn't see it as wrong. She sees it as necessary to win this war.
ruby prawn
Sylvanas wasn't always like this
hollow dock
Uh
yes she was
Lemme ask you soem Trivia
first action she has
as an independent leader.
What was it?
ruby prawn
As warchief you mean?
hollow dock
Nope
When she broke off from the Scourge
Before horde, before any of that bullshit that is today.
What was the first thing she did when leading her undead forces?
ruby prawn
She wanted to help other forsaken and allied with the horde. There was a reason for that, but I don't remember (wasn't just because the alliance rejected them)
hollow dock
False
The first action she did was made a deal with garithos to take back Lordaeron
then slaughtered him and his men
when they stopped beign useful
That is her first defining act as a character.
ruby prawn
Do you think she would have done this if she was still alive?
hollow dock
Backstab someone when they served their use.
Absolutely not. But we're not speaking of a living Sylvanas now are we?
We're speaking of Sylvanas as she is now.
hollow dock
in life she was very different to herself in death
ruby prawn
She changed as a character
hollow dock
but that's due to Arthas.
In which case
she changed as a character STILL in warcraft 3
no where in WoW did she change as a character from her banshee queen self.
Not once was she ever a good person during WoW's run
Warcraft 3 is when we get to know Sylvanas as she is today
Her first act as an independent leader was backstab her allies.
ruby prawn
I want a poll
hollow dock
Her second act: Get the Forsaken in the horde.
ruby prawn
Who likes sylvanas and who doesnt
hollow dock
Her third act: Blackmail the Blood elves into joining.
Her fourth act: Create the Blight that's oh so popular today.
Her fifth act: Gilneas and Southshore.
ruby prawn
Didn't Putress create it?
hollow dock
Nope. It was always Sylvanas.
ruby prawn
And she just continued to develop it?
hollow dock
Putress was the one who was ordered to make it by Sylvanas herself. She had plans to use it against Arthas in the Northrend campaign.
but sadly, Putress fell to Varithimas' influence and went and used it at the Wrathgate
and her secret weapon was unleashed.
ruby prawn
Can you we ask wowhead to make a poll on Twitter or somewhere ?
hollow dock
Youc an If you want.
ruby prawn
I can offer 2 dollars
hollow dock
Wowhead is a small community though in terms of the large scale that is WoW's playerbase.
ruby prawn
I don't think the rest of the players base would have a different opinion
hollow dock
I do.
ruby prawn
Why is that?
ruby prawn
And do you think all the casual players that don't check Wowhead will love sylvanas?
hollow dock
not to mention, what if WoWhead has a bunch of anti-sylvanas people? Wouldn't that muddy the waters a bit?
What if the forum is filled with Sylvanas lovers?
Wouldn't that also muddy the waters a bit?
that's what I said by Sylvanas lovers but yes the same concept works in reverse.
You'll never get an accurate poling that way.
If anything
we'll get the most accurate polling, which still is unreliable, from the saurfang questline
Which is how many people sided with Saurfang
or sided against him
or chose to do nothing
ruby prawn
That's not accurate either
hollow dock
Which is why I said, it's unreliable
as people may do it just for the toy
and not actually like Saurfang
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ruby prawn
I don't like sylvanas, but I chose to side with hwr
There's a pet of you side with him?
ruby prawn
That's muddies the water again
hollow dock
and how it branches
shows just how much they prefer writing for the horde
than alliance
they're wanting to make different questlines around one event for the horde
but won't do it for the alliance
ruby prawn
By that logic, they love Saurfang the most
hollow dock
Oh probably.
though their lead writer is working on Sylvanas
and the guy under him, Nathanos
so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Shows where the focus and love is
as said by Afrasabi himself, he's been working on this story for years.
plain vigil
Predictions for Azshara raid sets?
hollow dock
Naga looking raid sets
hollow dock
False
night swift
Think the hunter set from antorus
hollow dock
They already hardcore said that Sylvanas is not becoming a raid boss
night swift
^
ruby prawn
Oh, then Baine will kill her
night swift
They said that she’s “too good” to be a raid boss
hollow dock
Baine is to much of a spineless git to do anything on his own
terse patrol
Go to MMO-C, and you’ll find plenty of Sylvanas loving Anduin haters.
plain vigil
Eh idk I’m hoping mail wearers get an aquaman like set cause the naga set already exists
night swift
Its gonna be naga themed
hollow dock
I'd love to run around in a bright orange/green onesie suit
night swift
So more naga armor
hollow dock
with a shittily drawn trident
terse patrol
I’m still crossing my fingers for a Siege of Stormwind raid, if only to make Hordies shut up about Siege of Orgrimmar.
hollow dock
Siege of Orgrimmar wasn't even an attack on the horde
plain vigil
They could do a green one and then an all orange/bronze one then you can mix them 😂
hollow dock
it was an attack of Garroshs' horde
ruby prawn
Who even talks about siege of orgrimmar anymore?
terse patrol
@hollow dock Yes, but the Horde isnt logical.
hollow dock
Clearly, see Exo who says that blizzard loves the alliance leaders more than the horde. :p
ruby prawn
Stormwind was already attacked and conquered once by the orcs
terse patrol
Pre-WoW doesnt count to Horde players
ruby prawn
Who said that
hollow dock
The horde themselves.
ruby prawn
?
hollow dock
Since apparently "pre-WoW" isn't "their horde"
so anything that the horde did before WoW doesn't count
plain vigil
I mean we’re already getting new trident models
hollow dock
the playerbase Exosdar
converse with any horde player about lore
they'll tell you the same shit
terse patrol
My ideal Siege of Stormwind would be a similar split like in Siege of Zuldazar. Sylvanas attacks Stormwind, Alliance has to defend. Maybe let Saurfang intervene.
ruby prawn
I'm a hordie and I never heard that
plain vigil
And with the patern of the plate sets being weirdly similar to skyrim. Glass armor for plate anyone?
ruby prawn
@hollow dock also, I forgot to say earlier: I'm sure the alliance will get a similar questline as well
plain vigil
hollow dock
They won't tho
plain vigil
You sure about that sea
hollow dock
Legit
plain vigil
plain vigil
Literally the same colors
terse patrol
The repeated mentions regarding Stormwind and sieging it makes me feel like a Siege of Stormwind will happen, near the end of the expac . But that may just be my wishful thinking.
hollow dock
is the hordes Teldrassil
they openly said it
and did not backtrack on that
Battle for Dazar'alor is to the horde what Burning of Teldrassil was to the Alliance.
that is the writers mentality
ruby prawn
What about lordaeron?
plain vigil
I think Seige of stormwind is a good contender, as it is in direct view of where N’zoth would rise up at the end of the xpac.
terse patrol
Rastakhan dying is the equivalent of burning thousands of civilians and children, TIL.
hollow dock
^
plain vigil
Also the Seige of stormwind was shown in SoO
hollow dock
THAT is the mentality of the writers.
plain vigil
We even here Garrosh’s confusion when he realizes he’s not the one who serges stormwind
ruby prawn
Why do you guys even want siege of stormwind?
hollow dock
I don't.
I want the alliance to stomp into Orgrimmar and own the place by the end of the raid.
terse patrol
Yeah, there are implications that Garrosh’s vision might actually have been a vision of the actual future.
So who knows
hollow dock
and finally dismantle the horde since the horde won't stop making wars
plain vigil
So stormwind can burn and we can get a larger more accurate capitol city...
terse patrol
lol
plain vigil
Boralus?
terse patrol
Only the Horde get nice things, bloom.
plain vigil
Dazar aloe
hollow dock
shrunk down
Again. Shrunk down
Everything in WoW is shrunk down from their actual lore size
plain vigil
Boralus is cannon size compared to sw
hollow dock
they can't fit that much into the game
Incorrect.
Boralus is much larger than that
plain vigil
Bears
Beets
Battlestar galactica
Sorry you reminded me of Dwight for a second there
hollow dock
Who?
terse patrol
But yeah, if Blizzard does actually go with the End Times and Garrosh’s boss fight as actual vague visions of the future, then I’ll be mildly impressed.
plain vigil
You’re not american are you?
plain vigil
how the fuck do you not know about the office
hollow dock
Is it a sitcom?
terse patrol
@hollow dock I meant moreso that the End Times might have been an abstract vision of the future.
hollow dock
It 100% was a vision of the future
plain vigil
End times will happen
hollow dock
did you not listen to Nozdormu?
plain vigil
It’s cannon lore
hollow dock
and no End Times won't happen anymore.
The only thing that will happen is Murozond.
that's it.
plain vigil
Deathwing just isn’t the bringer of end times
terse patrol
Tyrandes night warrior stuff is hinted in there.
plain vigil
The thing with Elune and night warrior is a key part of end times
hollow dock
Very incorrect
Do you two not know your cataclysm lore?
End Time happened because there was a future where Deathwing won
all life on Azeroth was wiped out
plain vigil
See you act like you know shit. But you don’t pay attention in game or in Chronicle
hollow dock
he succeeded in bringing about the cataclysm
That's literally
both in game
and in Thrall: twilight of the aspects
it's also in Chronicle.
terse patrol
Isnt it convenient that the 4 big bosses are Jaina, Tyrande, Sylvanas, and Baine?
All big characters in BFA?
tranquil steeple
the Tyrande fight in the dungeon is a version where Tyrande could no longer effectively commune with Elune
plain vigil
End time was thought to be deathwing but we stopped him, so it is t
hollow dock
Baine is hardly big.
tranquil steeple
it's not Night Warrior stuff
tranquil steeple
it's just Tyrande being unable to communicate with Elune
ruby prawn
Baine isn't big in any point of view
ruby prawn
I do
ruby prawn
The time is too late
terse patrol
I still think a version of the End Times is inevitable.
hollow dock
Ysera got a vision of it in the Book, Thrall: Twilight of the Aspects
plain vigil
End time is an abstract idea. The dungeon end time is a seperate timeline
hollow dock
it CAN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE
ruby prawn
My flight got delayed again
hollow dock
deathwing IS GONE.
The End time we saw in the dungeons was ONLY BECAUSE DEATHWING WON
Jesus fucking christ
terse patrol
Because the Old Gods won*
hollow dock
Yes
plain vigil
This conversation would be a lot easier in voice chat tbh
hollow dock
he brought the Cataclysm
ruby prawn
It wouldn't Bloom
hollow dock
He completed the cast and wiped out all life on Azeroth
terse patrol
The Old Gods can still win, and bring the End Times.
plain vigil
^^^
hollow dock
except they can't
terse patrol
wat
tranquil steeple
it would be a lot more chaotic 'cause we'd hear Des be all "You fucking WHAT" every 5 seconds
hollow dock
because DEATHWING WHO BRINGS ABOUT THE END TIMES WITH THE FINAL CATACLYSM
They can still end the world, assuming they have enough power and biomass, but that is a long shot in of itself.
plain vigil
End time is tied directly to N’zoth. N’zoth attempted to bring the end time by empowering deathwing. Learn your fucking lore does
hollow dock
but end times that we see
terse patrol
You don’t remember what they said at Blizzcon, something along the lines of “what if there’s nothing left to fight over?”
hollow dock
FACEFUCKINGDESK
tranquil steeple
the End Times we see in-game, as per the Dungeon, as Des has been saying is something that happens if Deathwing won
hollow dock
You're not reading a single thing I am saying
terse patrol
The big implication is that BFA ends in an Old God victory.
AKA, beginning of the End Times.
plain vigil
So
tranquil steeple
actually sec lemme fix the emphasis of my last message
plain vigil
Si*
terse patrol
fuck dude
hollow dock
I can rest easy knowing one person has reading comprehension
plain vigil
The dungeon is a name referencing the end times. But it’s not the end time
terse patrol
I already said “what if the End Times raid is just an abstract vision of the true End Times?”
Not
terse patrol
“totally deathwing is coming back lololol”
hollow dock
they are not
they are a fully correct vision of what happened if Deathwing won
We 100% know that has hard fact
We have a book and Nozdormu's dialogue both confirming this
terse patrol
ugh
It is -not- a coincidence that Jaina, Sylvanas, Tyrande, and Baine are central figures in BFA, as well as the End Times dungeon.
plain vigil
Yes If deathwing has won, end time would come. But end time does not need deathwing for it to happen. End time is an abstract idea of N’zoth winning over all the old gods.
terse patrol
You have to be stupid not to notice he correlation.
hollow dock
END TIME FOR THOSE EVENTS THAT WE SAW TO HAVE HAPPENED
terse patrol
The*
hollow dock
REQUIRED DEATHWING TO CAUSE THE FINAL CATACLYSM
What we saw in that dungeon CANNOT HAPPEN
plain vigil
Des go take a break you seem fired up
terse patrol
^
hollow dock
Because you refuse to acknowledge literally anything I keep telling you.
plain vigil
Or voice chat where we can have a calm convo without feeling the need to speed type shit
hollow dock
End Time isn't an abstract idea, it was a hard canon event that happened in a separate timeline.
plain vigil
End time is when N’zoth wins. It’s different each timeline
tranquil steeple
again that'd just be worse since we'd most likely just have a case of "whoever's loudest is right"
plain vigil
Nah selath
hollow dock
But it isn't. End Times is a single purposeful event where Deathwing causes the final cataclysm. Where the old gods had won. We stopped that from happening. Fucking Nozdormu himself states this.
terse patrol
TIL because Deathwing is dead, the Old Gods can’t win now.
hollow dock
"The old gods can still win and end life on Azeroth, but it won't be what we saw in End Times. That happened ONLY because Deathwing won."
hollow dock
Facepalm
terse patrol
Ignore Ion’s coy words at Blizzcon.
hollow dock
@tranquil steeple Save me from his ignorance
Maybe you can explain it to them better than I can. Clearly I'm not getting through.
terse patrol
I just wanted to talk about Garrosh’s vision of the Siege of Stormwind potentially actually coming to fruition. But I guess long term storytelling isn’t a possibility.
plain vigil
I’ll be in voice chat if anyone wants to speculate calmly 😃
hollow dock
Speculate? Oh that's fine to do.
But to state a canon event isn't happening as it is depicted in the canon? that's a no go
plain vigil
Des you’re right. The dungeon end times is specifically tied to deathwings success. However, 90% of the community refers to the old God’s victory as end times
hollow dock
And that's fine for them
plain vigil
Y’all are wasting time arguing over semantics
hollow dock
they are wrong but that's fine for em
plain vigil
When we could be wasting time arguing over Transmog
So let’s get this transmog convo rolling!
plain vigil
Haha
hollow dock
Just say "Old Gods won" or "End of the world"
dont' name it the same thing as a canon event
terse patrol
The Dark Minutes.
hollow dock
Imagine if every war was called "The First War"
terse patrol
We should go the next step.
plain vigil
The not beginning moment in history
terse patrol
End Times in IRL Abrahamic religion is too close to Deathwing winning.
plain vigil
LOL
terse patrol
Nah. I’m just pointing out how fucking stupid your argument is.
plain vigil
What Haha are we here to entertain you des?
terse patrol
Cheers.
hollow dock
It's entertaining to me until it gets old.
terse patrol
What should we call the end of Azeroth now? End Times is too critical and detailed a title.
uncut vault
the one time I look away is the one time we have convo in this channel in a week lol
uncut vault
heres hoping we'll have PTR stuff to talk about within the next week now that theyre back in the office
hollow dock
Same.
terse patrol
Portergauge, would you say that Nzoth winning and casting the world into an apocalyptic state could be described as... some sort of End Time? @uncut vault
hollow dock
Oh I just realized we're in the PTR chat.
plain vigil
need to start planning my future toonnnns
hollow dock
I really hope Junker Gnomes don't happen. I hate boycotting content.
terse patrol
I hope they do.
uncut vault
I mean, it was a part of the End Time we saw, but that was due to Murozond shenanigans wasnt it?
not the landscape itself, obviously
but the fractured people
terse patrol
What??? But Porter.
hollow dock
Yes you're correct in that facet Port.
terse patrol
That name can only be used if Deathwing is involved.
hollow dock
The world we saw was Deathwing.
plain vigil
they're so good looking tho i love junkergnomes
hollow dock
the rest was Murozond.
Gnomes aren't that good looking as in game models.
Fan art looks great.
plain vigil
you're wrong.
hollow dock
But for me, I'm rather biased against them.
terse patrol
Gnome females would look better if they got rid of those bags under their eyes.
They didnt use to have them.
tranquil steeple
Des is right in their opinion about Gnomes, as is you about yours Bloom.
terse patrol
But Blizzard added them on.
plain vigil
r/technicallythetruth
hollow dock
bleh
plain vigil
it's okay junker gnomes dont even have eyes
terse patrol
Which I kinda hate
uncut vault
how can junker gnomes be real if our eyes arent real?
terse patrol
I want an option to have eyes.
hollow dock
^^^^^^Fuckin Port speakin my soul
plain vigil
there probably will be
terse patrol
I want the robot arms and stuff, I don’t want robot eyes. 😦 reeee
plain vigil
that's not a gnome thats a human
uncut vault
Im not particularly opposed to junker gnomes. Not really hyped for them, as I prefer the focus go to regular gnomes that are actually from Gnomeregan
terse patrol
hush
hollow dock
I'd be happy with that one, Port.
uncut vault
hope that instead of being a full on allied race, they teach the normal gnomes some tech stuff, help rebuild gnomeregan, maybe add a few customization options not on the level of metal eyes
terse patrol
Junker Gnomes should be a customization for normal gnomes
uncut vault
they wont be, sadly, you can already see the unique hair textures from the preview pic
terse patrol
ye
uncut vault
hair that looks miles better than normal gnome hair, which I am salty about
terse patrol
^
uncut vault
WoD was like, right on the cusp of them learning how to do hair texture
so half the races look disheveled at all times
ruby prawn
Is blizzard on a mission to replace the base races?
hollow dock
Not really.
ruby prawn
With allied races?
ruby prawn
Not really
terse patrol
Dark Irons are sick though?
uncut vault
ruby prawn
I think the dark iron and maghar are amazing
ruby prawn
Zandalari look pretty nice too
uncut vault
compared to this
plain vigil
as stated by warcraft devs they made heratage to keep people from swapping to ar
ruby prawn
Also Vris, they start at lvl 20
plain vigil
which heavily hints they will be an allied race
hollow dock
the allied races as a whole aren't more powerful or improvements on their base races.
ruby prawn
20/10 would reroll again
terse patrol
Dark Irons get a better version of a hearthstone though.
uncut vault
I vant to punch your knees
https://i.gyazo.com/d1e1ad6ce77417bd5e110a8627c1eb59.png
plain vigil
the hair is the only thing with ar that i think should be added to regular races. except velfs ofc
uncut vault
even velfs have a few normal ones
hollow dock
normaul Tauren can't have moose horns
ruby prawn
So should High mountain tauren
plain vigil
the dark iron femals have hair that moira's mother had, a bronzebeard, but bronzebeards cant have that hair
ruby prawn
Wow Vris, you knew what I was gonna say
uncut vault
my velf would be just a straight up normal elf if he had normal skin instead of grape
hollow dock
Despite my staunch hatred of the horde
ruby prawn
xD
hollow dock
I still preserve lore as it is
ruby prawn
No, the idea is not that it is the same race, it's just customization
uncut vault
nothing void about that haircut
ruby prawn
Instead of starting at lvl 20
terse patrol
terse patrol
Eh, because the ones theyve introduced so far have been really meh?