where the hell is this kodo now 😦
#beta-ptr-spoilers
whole cedar
vestal otter
i wanted to go check that but i forgot and that kodo is a mystery we can blame Malfurion he should go find it tbh he scared it..
steel venture
.... UGH
why is BFA the expac where they remove more new mount models than add them?????????
terse patrol
Still waiting for them to make up for the mount situation for the Alliance.
steel venture
unless they're making the sandy and silver nightsabers alliance-only i doubt it.
hollow dock
Don't you know Nile? Alliance has to share its toys but the horde gets to keep theirs.
terse patrol
@hollow dock watch out, you’ll upset the Horde apologists
vestal otter
2 sabers still drop from Darkshore
whole cedar
sandy nightsaber was only dropping for a horde rare, now both nightsabers still there drop for both factions
uncut vault
As of last build, the sabers were Alliance only
whole cedar
iirc it was a display error and already fixed on the RC build
hollow dock
wouldn't make much sense for the open world NPCs to only drop mounts for 1 faction
when the other warfront didn't
whole cedar
yeah just checked, nightsabers show on horde again
hollow dock
only one that is alliance only is the armored one right?
whole cedar
yeah, thats from service medals
hollow dock
Has its colors ever been fixed? So it doesn't look like it's using horde colors?
whole cedar
iirc yeah but i'll need to check again
hollow dock
cuz I saw they didn't fix the hammer from the nelf weaponsand that concerns me
terse patrol
@hollow dock Hoping 8.2 resolves some of the alliance mount issues. Doubt it though.
hollow dock
No they didn't fix it.
hollow dock
Purple or beige. but they went with horde red
Right. If you wanna make jokes I'ma not bother
hollow dock
I think this was the color they wanted to go for
but comparing that to the saddle and leg armor
clearly something went wrong in the coloring department.
steel venture
which is really weird
its like
a more reddish color of the hagfeather / basic silkweave set
yknow, the elven-but-more-ancient color
but somehow
they said
"lets make it more red"
instead of just
eyedropping that
hollow dock
even its thread design
matches the armor in that picture
but for some reason they went with a horde-like red
I take it as a subliminal message of which faction they like more
meager warren
hot
tropic trail
Who wants to make a wager
meager warren
what sort of wager
tropic trail
A wager for your soul
meager warren
wat
tropic trail
edgy
dapper talon
Could it be possible 8.1.5 is planned for March. 🤦
limber mural
That's likely. Follows the Legion pattern
vestal otter
i think 8.2 is going to be May
zealous sand
DID YOU JUSDT ASSUME
ancient kraken
Based on patch cycles wouldn't it be June?
And with Classic coming in June couldn't they push back 8.2 further if they really wanted to?
dense plover
^
strange falcon
OR WAS IT?!?!?! :tinfoil:
lucid steeple
can allied races almost be endless or will blizzard stop at a right number i know they wont but too much effert in but to make it fun how many could they add in?
hollow dock
There's no reason as to why they wouldn't be endless
lucid steeple
well i guess that would be up to blizzard but when i think of how they didnt put one guy on the day night time Cycle 🤷 i feel that they might not but i could be made a fool and they could do it.
thats something to think of though
hollow dock
I don't quite understand what you just said. Could just be my dyslexia but like
lucid steeple
no ill explane better what is it you didn't get?
i have that thing where i think most people get me my bad XD
hollow dock
well i guess that would be up to blizzard but when i think of how they didnt put one guy on the day night time Cycle :shrug: i feel that they might not but i could be made a fool and they could do it.
this
dense plover
What do you mean one guy on the day night cycle?
lucid steeple
alright with how the game is now it would be Realm time 6:00 to 10: PM and irl its dark yet still day light in wow i would have to drink a Darkness thing to darken it but It would have to be Really late at night when they add in a night phaze for the game why dont they set it sooner or...is it set to your, games system do you just see it as day if you set it like that or can you set it so its Real time clock and cycle through the day from dusk to dawn?
dense plover
Nope
lucid steeple
no understandable
dense plover
So the reason it’s synced is very easy
Let me explain
Sun sets in diffferent places across the world
If you can only play from 8 to 10pm, it would always be super dark
lucid steeple
Im in florida so when its past 5 i think its getting darker outside.
dense plover
That would be depressing
hollow dock
yea that's how it is for us in our timezone
but
as it gets darker for us
it's getting brighter in say England
dense plover
No
Brighter in South America
Hemispheres
Top and bottom
But either way
It’s not super dark at night because some people can only play at night
dense plover
And it’s not correctly synced because it’s dark in different places in different times zones
For example the sun sets later in New York than it does in Boston even though they are in the same time zone
And true darkness won’t happen because it’s only immersive for people who can play during the night and day
If you only play at night it just makes the game harder to play
hollow dock
Yes but that's not because the sun is setting any different, that's due to the roundness of the earth itself. But the idea that it gets darker in the US as it gets brighter in the UK is completely sound.
since they're nearly half a day ahead of us.
hollow dock
yes as one side gets darker, the other gets brighter
dense plover
That’s what I was saying
hollow dock
which is what y ou were saying weren't you? timezonesand how they work?
hollow dock
That's not what he was pointing out tho
lucid steeple
but even when it is dark in game its not all that dakr its light dark a light dark but ill be happy with that if they made it like that for my realm time when its 6 or so
dense plover
Or my New York thing
hollow dock
He was pointing out that outside of his door it would get dark. but in his game it wouldn't
and that's due to the fact that the servers run on a completely different timezone than we do
dense plover
Yep
hollow dock
Like my server runs off the pacific server
dense plover
That’s what I was trying to say
dense plover
And that still is only partially synced
jade basalt
dense plover
When it starts to get darker in winter, it still is the same sunset time in wow
hollow dock
the cutscene still doesn't win me over.
Timezones peach. we're talking about timezones.
dense plover
Nothing is going to win you over until 8.2
hollow dock
Honestly I doubt 8.2 will win me over.
dense plover
But even in time zones, the time when the sun sets shifts with the seasons while it stays the same in wow
lucid steeple
why couldnt blizzard implement a system for the game where people can get there game time and day cycle to what they think is immersive i dont think its thats hard but im not that smart on that matter. so i wouldnt know.
hollow dock
they still haven't said "Our mistake for saying Dazar'alor is the equivalent to Teldrassil"
Because the game itself would die Red
hollow dock
You can't run a personalized MULTIPLAYER game
dense plover
But the coding time would be significant
lucid steeple
it adds immersion
dense plover
And?
hollow dock
It also KILLS THE GAME ITSELF
dense plover
It doesn’t make money
hollow dock
the servers can't handle that without expanding MASSIVELY in EVERY CORNER OF THE PLANET
dense plover
It doesn’t stop players from leaving or get them to join
lucid steeple
thats whats sometimes makes me think i might quite one day sure its meaningless but its immerson for there good game....
dense plover
I mean Des, it could be made clientside
hollow dock
But the times and how the server itself shows time
dense plover
But then it really WOULD be less immersive
lucid steeple
i dont ask for much from blizzard just alittle detail and thats something i never talked about till lately.
hollow dock
and when its day and night
none of that
is client side
that CAN'T be client side
that HAS to be server side
dense plover
Do day and night actually do anything in game?
dense plover
You could move it clientside
hollow dock
You can
but you need to give each client the command
to control the day/night cycle
dense plover
You check computer time instead of servertime
dense plover
Which the game already does
lucid steeple
well its makes me beautiful you see stars you can hold a torch or lantern out to light a path.
hollow dock
and we see just how well that goes down
dense plover
It could be fully untied from servers
hollow dock
You'd also have the disconection of players
dense plover
Day and night could be fully clientside for each player
hollow dock
Since we want to talk about it from a roleplay perspective
lucid steeple
clientside?
hollow dock
how do you roleplay with someone in a different timezone at that point? Your looking at two completely different worlds
dense plover
Looking at it from RP, the current method is the best
hollow dock
I know it's more than possible to make phases and shards that operate differently for day/night cycles
hell.
it's currently being done on private servrs
servers*
but that's because those servers have absolutely nothing else to do with WoW. it's just focused on immersion. WoW isn't.
lucid steeple
i think with clientside you guys make it sound like you could set your own game time to where the sun gose down for you in your game unless thats too stress full in other words i would understand that
Wait whats being done ?
hollow dock
What I'm saying is that doing so would put unneeded stress on the servers
lucid steeple
oh...
hollow dock
A lot of the immersion stuff that WoW used to have got cut because it adds nothing else to the game and puts unneeded stress onto the servers themselves.
lucid steeple
well i wouldnt want that just because i would like alittle immersion
hollow dock
Would you prefer to have stable but non-immersive WoW or unstable but immersive WoW
lucid steeple
if im honest immersive but i can see for the betterment of everyone and there game i would go with the right choice
pulsar iris
would be so cool to have a immersive game you cant even play
lucid steeple
would there be a way to take the stress off if they did do it?
would they have to upgrade?
hollow dock
so you'd rather have a WoW that you can barely play, will have the servers crash and kill themselves constantly, just so you could say its an immersive game?
it's not about upgrading
It's not about the levelof tech they use. It's to much for any servers to handle
lucid steeple
lol would be funny the game is supper immersive but you cant play.
meager warren
wtf are you arguing about
lucid steeple
nothing important
meager warren
then quit
lucid steeple
just debate about the game
pulsar iris
this snek is furious
lucid steeple
@hollow dock thx for the chat and i would prefur it but thats life you cant get what you want so you get what the community wants i accept that ^-^
hollow dock
I sincerely hope you never get that for WoW while I still play. As I want to play the video game I pay for.
zealous basalt
Confort vs usefulness
lucid steeple
Well dont worry my friend nothing i want happens least...not all are so demanding or...so impacting on the game
zealous basalt
WoW can do what it can do
lucid steeple
Agreed wow will do what it wants and if it takes stress off they shouldnt have it where it gose dark late late at night no reason to.
welp 1 more day till patch
pulsar iris
🙏
you dont actually need to win island expeditions for the cosmetic rewards, do you?
lucid steeple
i watched a video it said you just do the island do what quests and bosses you can and you might get one i think but im not 100% sure
dense plover
You do have to win
Wait
No
I think you just need to complete them
But I’m gonna guess winning makes your chances higher
lucid steeple
Possibly
dense plover
Idk how you can lose unless you are on mythic tho
And tbh, anything above heroic is too much work
steel venture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1mjyUxcjlI
this .... is so lame.
with how long we've wated for it i would've thought they would use an ACTUAL rendered cinematic
but no, muppet-mouth tyrande and cartoony sound effect w/ the orc head being tossed in.
k
dense plover
theres an actual cinematic at the end
hollow dock
There just can't be a good non-horde story.
dense plover
should be about 1:30
maybe longer
theres 5 cinematics in the patch
one is the intro to darkshore we saw at blizzcon
one is post nightwarrior questline
hollow dock
You do know the whole video is 47 seconds long right?
dense plover
2 are probably raids
and?
that has nothing to do with what im talking about
theres 5 encrypted cinematic files
rendered cinematics
not RTC
steel venture
this one just ... sucks though.
its a key point of the darkshore story and they toss us a RTC.
dense plover
1 is the rendered cutscene from pre-darkshore
1 is post-darkshore
and then 2 are probably raid
steel venture
--- a non-RTC*
dense plover
1 when rastakhan is defeated
yeah woops
and 1 when jaina leaves
not sure what the last one is fore
steel venture
anyway like seriously like this is a major major major point of the whole darkshore storyline but
they dont fully render it
wide blade
Jaina dies in infinety wars
dense plover
so would you rather no cinematic instead?
they cant do everything as full cinematics
steel venture
it shows NO danger about the ritual, there's nothing that seems??? tense there?
steel venture
like full rendered could at least have tyrande doubling over and all of that but bleh.
dense plover
but im just saying there ARE rendered cinematics in the patch
we might get a rendered cinematic tied to this
like with ysera
where it went real time then rendered
steel venture
it probably wouldn't be as bad if they yoinked the slightly HD-ified tyrande from the full renders
that muppet-mouth on the cata model kills me ASDFH?ASJK
dense plover
thats not the cata model
thats the new model
the braided hair and the new dress?
all new model
and again, there could still be a full cinematic
as I said, we still have 1 undefined rendered cinematic
they could pull a ysera
in that questline, we had a RTC followed up immediately with a rendered cinematic
we might not
but its not unheard of
hollow dock
Honestly peach
Im with Mak at this point
No representation is better than this.
Being forgotten and left with what good note we had is much better than this shit
meager warren
Jaina best babe
terse patrol
@jade basalt T’is a bit silly, but ye.
She shoulda did this to Garrosh at Theramore.
zealous basalt
What he happening here
dense plover
didnt know this was coming
"Siege of Boralus and Kings’ Rest are now available on Heroic difficulty."
jovial skiff
Yeah, interesting
dense plover
found the new 'best auction item' - "Alchemists can now learn and craft a powerful new Follower item that bypasses the troop penalty on Stealth missions: Vial of Obfuscation."
jovial skiff
I'm going to be waiting on a guide for the best way to farm titan residuum
so I can immediately buy my BIS when the new raid drops
dense plover
best way is doing keys
jovial skiff
Of course
dense plover
we finally know what this is now: "New PvP Brawl: Cooking: Impossible
Nomi is back, and he wants you to bring your most dangerous pots and pans to The Valley of the Four Winds for a new brawl in the kitchen. Look to your in-game calendar for round one of this cutthroat culinary conflict."
jovial skiff
but I wonder if there may be some other good options too
like the warfronts should be worth it at least once per cycle for the higher ilvl item
dense plover
we finally know what this is now: "New PvP Brawl: Cooking: Impossible
Nomi is back, and he wants you to bring your most dangerous pots and pans to The Valley of the Four Winds for a new brawl in the kitchen. Look to your in-game calendar for round one of this cutthroat culinary conflict."
i mean, warfronts are already "run this once per cycle for good gear"
theres no guide for residuum
best place is m+
its that simple
goodbye people selling stuff for real money
"Dungeons from prior expansions will no longer appear when searching for Dungeon groups in the Premade Group Finder. For example, level 120 players will no longer see groups listed for Lower Blackrock Spire."
Also "Battle for Azeroth dungeons now automatically change you to a spec that matches the role you chose when you queued."
oooh fuck
"Rest areas have been added to Hook Point and The Mugambala.
A new flight point has been added to The Mugambala."
finally
i forgot about this one "The flight maps in Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor have been updated to a higher resolution."
"Spirit Wolf is now available when you’re dead."
uncut vault
I’m not gonna watch it actually till tomorrow, but I assume the Night Warrior cutscene doesn’t explain why Night elves other than Tyrande have the eyes?
dense plover
no
it does not
its her transformation
"In War Mode, an outnumbered faction now has access to a weekly quest to slay 25 level 120 players of the opposing faction, rewarding a piece of item level 370 Arathi Warfront gear and 1000 Artifact Power."
secondary buff to help with outnumbered faction stuff
"Integrated new multi-threaded performance optimizations for clients using DirectX 12 and Metal.
All systems that are capable of DirectX 12 now default to DirectX 12."
confirmed
changes are in this patch
uncut vault
When it says 370, I wonder if that means t3 or t2 items
dense plover
what do you mean?
i imagine it uses the same pool as warfronts
except the pvp version of the warfront stuff
or something
uncut vault
Atm, 370 Arathi gear is the t3 armor, and 340 is t2
dense plover
oh
good question
we shall find out soon i imagine
anyone have a dark iron dwarf they can port to ptr
i want someone to check if they changed the hub area
nvm
anyone can
nope
just minimap data updates
so uh
upon further inspection
we only have 2 new cinematics
along with the fancy blizzcon saurfang cinematic and the darkshore blizzcon cinematic
hollow dock
Yea. It's just intro stuff. To mislead peeps
dense plover
both are less than 3 minutes, but should be about 2min 30sec
no
theres 2 new ones des
read what I wrote
hollow dock
For darkshore, peach.
dense plover
the intro is already excluded from that
one is the exit i think
file name is dor
59.3 mb
then their is akt
62.8mb; likely related to raid
hollow dock
Well there's no cinematic for Darkshore I'd wager. Which really is the only part of this upcoming patch I care about tbh.
dense plover
uh
there def is
post darkshore and pre darkshore have cutscene slots
pre-darkshore is the thing we got at blizzcon
we still dont have the post darkshore
that is probably dor
its probably about 2min 15 sec or so
my guess is maybe destruction of the flagship and death of ashvane
but idk
and then akt is probably rastakhan dying in the raid and bwonsamdi doing something evil
could explain why they removed the forsaken flagship
though making a new model for that seems excessive
uncut vault
when you say post darkshore, do you mean post-warfront?
cause the one shown at blizzcon is shown at the end of both horde and alliance night warrior quests
dense plover
it is?
its shown when the horde raises the dead and then flys away?
after tyrande kills the valkyr?
that doesnt make sense
the cutscene is nathanos in the tent
i think you are mistaken
he cant be in the tent and also flying away with us
either way, theres 2 unknown cutscenes
we will get them tomorrow
uncut vault
Ive got a character at the end of the scenario to check it each build
after sira and delaryn are raised, you go back and find Shendruk and Nathanos standing on the edge of camp, you ask Nathanos what's up, Terror of Darkshore plays
then we're sent back to Zandalar to muster troops
unlocks warfront
uncut vault
alliance version is at the end of the scenario, when you fly back to the fleet, you are told to ask tyrande to see through dori'thur's eyes, player PoV is through him in Terror of Darkshore
dense plover
have we seen that?
uncut vault
Yes, before about two builds ago, that was where it played that weird [X] cutscene with numbers at the bottom
dense plover
but i mean, have we seen what it is?
uncut vault
yeah its terror of darkshore, the blizzcon cinematic
uncut vault
the justification for alliance seeing it is that the player uses Dori'thur's vision
dense plover
ok
hmmmm
so there might actually be 3
sv, the 112mb cinematic is currently a placeholder
it might be a raid cinematic
and so its being held secret
uncut vault
Well, Im wondering if there actually is an end raid cinematic, cause we know theres a Rastakhan one, but at the end of the Jaina fight, she kinda just says "it cannot end like this" and teles away
dense plover
its possible
IF it is, theres still 1 unknown cinematic
like - i dont know where it would belong
unless theyve managed to keep a secret
unique crag
Several new Missions are now available at both your War Table
Do we know their texts?
dense plover
nope
steel venture
so are they just.............. saying all nelves on the field have dark warrior eyes / skin now
because all those npcs do
hollow dock
I mean.
steel venture
without any explaination.
hollow dock
It's explained in the quest
Tyrande does empower them
it means fuck all except for some cosmetic look
but she does empower them during the questline
but she also empowers worgen so why they don't have the black eyes we'll never know
steel venture
"bonds in eachother" askjfgsd im just
hollow dock
yea they fucked us over Nile
steel venture
okay so they turned the "vengeful dark warrior" think into a "lets hold hands and sing kumbaya"
like a fucking saturday morning cartoon
hollow dock
yea. they fucked us over.
steel venture
thats bfa as a whole tbh
its a saturday morning cartoon.
hollow dock
a badly written saturday morning cartoon
steel venture
with those rare REALLY ACTUALLY GOOD episodes sprinkled in
like how dark and fucked up nazmir and drustvar are
hollow dock
Nah those were different shows in this line up
like.
Nazmir and Drustvar were Sonic Sat AM and Darkshore is The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog
terse patrol
@hollow dock Who knows, worgen might get the dark eye option when their new models are added
slender musk
Anyone was able to unlock that crossfaction pet vendor? What is he/she selling?
dense plover
One of
There’s still two more
One is a placeholder
And one is bigger than this
proven sequoia
I'm assuming the other one is a defeat cinematic.
foggy marlin
@slender musk the adventure society one; Nigel?
lucid steeple
is there any word on if blizzard will have GIlneas rebuilt since they took a city away?
uncut vault
No more than anything new being built for Horde
Closest we have is them messing with the gilneas maps behind the scenes and putting gilneas city on he 8.1 flight path map despite having no relevant flight paths
lucid steeple
so that way Alliance could fly there?
maybe they will make gilneas easier to get to for rp reasons
dense plover
unlikely
the way i see it going
if they decide to redo gilneas, it will likely be ENTIRELY redone
lucid steeple
i think thats what i was pictureing
dense plover
night elves will probably be housed within the zone somewhat similarly to how worgen were housed in darnassus
lucid steeple
we get that tree?
dense plover
and if it happens, the leadup would be in this expac, but the redo of the zone would likely be in 9.0
no
im saying worgen care for nightelves because nightelves cared for worgen
dense plover
no dragons
hollow dock
it's burnt down.
dense plover
no tree
hollow dock
We can't grow a second tree
last time we did, it corrupted the ENTIRE AREA around it
lucid steeple
no the tree in Gilneas
hollow dock
there is no tree there
dense plover
well, i think well of eternity water can regrow the tree
lucid steeple
in the dark wood zone there is a tree
lucid steeple
no not there
hollow dock
that's also not a tree
dense plover
the only other world tree is hyjal
hollow dock
well not a world tree.
lucid steeple
in gilneas there is a giant tree the gilnean people were hideing from the undead
dense plover
its the only one thats not fucked
lucid steeple
not a bit tree its a small tree but you can walk under it.
dense plover
and again, if we had water from the well of eternity, we could grow a new tree
hollow dock
the only world trees that currently exist are Shaldrassil and Nordrassil
hollow dock
Not at all peach
dense plover
or azerite might be able to help
hollow dock
with the waters or without
lucid steeple
ill find a picture of it later when i get on.
hollow dock
we do not have natures blessing to grow the tree
dense plover
what grew hyjal?
lucid steeple
with the water leaking from it.
hollow dock
Illidan created the pool under nordrassil but it was grown as a world tree long before that
hollow dock
The last time we forced a world tree to grow was Teldrassil
and it corrupted itself and darkshore
dense plover
yeah and that needed aspect blessing
hollow dock
seeping into Ashenvale Forest
dense plover
yeah....
lucid steeple
Bye bye Aspect :l
dense plover
i mean, do you think they could maybe do it if they got enough azerite and the blessing of elune and maybe a titan keeper or two?
hollow dock
If you don't have natures blessing, it will kill the land. As it'll act like a normal tree and throw everything out of balance.
dense plover
like - theoretically
hollow dock
The only one left who could possibly give that blessing is Freyja
and she's in Ulduar
status: Unknown
dense plover
could azeroth herself bless a tree?
hollow dock
She's not connected to the emerald dream
dense plover
true
lucid steeple
i think blizzards plan is to keep the horde and alliance at war unless they make up something els its not just a game its a story
dense plover
hmmmmmmm
hollow dock
which is why Teldrassil went corrupt in the first place
dense plover
i think gilneas is the best replacement
hollow dock
The only one left on Azeroth, outside of Eonar herself coming down, is her keeper. Freya.
lucid steeple
agreed
dense plover
hmmm, well ulduar freya story could be cool
lucid steeple
so if blizzard redose gilneas will they split it with half night elf style build and gilnean or just refreash it so make it look better add some buildings with homes such and such.
add a few ships around to guard it.
lucid steeple
alright
hollow dock
What'll more than likely happen is that the woods get transformed into a shell of the great forest of Ashenvale
for the elves to live in
hollow dock
and most likely not even be large enough to house the entire population. since it's clear that overpopulation might be an issue over in stormwind.
lucid steeple
if gilneas is redone will it become the new hotspot rp zone since sw is really big spot for rp
dense plover
or we could get a variation of the witchwood
since making some of that canon could be fun
dense plover
no i mean
like a variation of it
maybe some references
not a full on creepy forest
uncut vault
Aspect blessing isn’t needed to grow and cultivate great trees, just world trees
hollow dock
yes and we are speaking of growing a world tree
lucid steeple
mount hyjal is in the horde zone we need a tree in the aliiance zone
lucid steeple
since both continents are alliance nd horde
terse patrol
Kill all the trolls in the Hinterlands, turn it into elf land.
Good idea yes? @hollow dock
lucid steeple
do we have high elves they dont let us play them as a race we got void elves?
terse patrol
Though, they wouldn’t block one of the dream portals...
Hordies would get mad if they got ganked exiting a dream portal as a druid
lol
terse patrol
Whatever they’re called
uncut vault
Great trees
terse patrol
Great Tree*
hollow dock
it's one of the four trees that Fandral's followers planted, from a twig of Nordrassil, to stem Saronite.
it's not hollowed out or livable
terse patrol
Nah I mean
They could build a city around that area.
Not inside the tree.
Moreso around it.
terse patrol
Its just hard to find a good place for them to settle that fits their forest theme.
hollow dock
It's almost like no where else in the world was meant for them to live in except the one place on the planet made for them.
uncut vault
I mean, nelfs also don’t actually need a tree to live on/under, they survived living mostly in ashenvale for thousands of years
terse patrol
I hope they reveal a new place designed specifically for both Forsaken and Night Elves. A couple islands or something idk.
hollow dock
Honestly
I just want them to be left alone
I take back my years of asking for them to get into the spotlight
I see it was a mistake
uncut vault
Inb4 they’re the two races leading the charge in the inevitable northrend xpac, two capitols are new nelf and forsaken cities
hollow dock
I can almost guarantee they'll mess up one and do the other well.
uncut vault
Well, visually at least, they managed to make both boralus and Atal’dazar amazing
terse patrol
I mean.
hollow dock
I have 0 faith in them moving forward with anything relating to night elves.
lucid steeple
i think the main question we are forgetting is will blizzard do it... they make some places only that have meaning so we will need to wonder what they deside to put i believe putting actualy islands out in the middle of the sea would be cool but that wont happen some could have rares and maybe its just a small fishing city with homes people can sit in bars and can get quests.
terse patrol
A forsaken city in Howling Fjord would be cool. And a now defrosted Borean Tundra, where the nearby jungle has started to spread.
Idk.
hollow dock
the crystal towers were so that sholazar kept in its little crater I thought
terse patrol
It protected it from the cold.
Destroying them destroys the jungle
Thats why the Lich King wanted to destroy them.
(It also apparently kept the plague out?)
So, post-cataclysm, I could see Borean Tundra being thawed and warmer now, and the jungle has started to spread.
So, left side of Northrend is Alliance, East is Horde.
lucid steeple
Thats...not that bad of an idea
uncut vault
I’d probably see the actual capitols being closer to the center of the continent, not exact center but not the far reaches of each peninsula
lucid steeple
it can also have a middle zone where its a large pvp spot and horde and alliance fight there
uncut vault
Especially if the factions are still hostile
terse patrol
Dragonblight being the PVP zone.
lucid steeple
should be could even find some allied races in Nothrend?
terse patrol
The thawing Dragonblight reveals more skeleton dragons.
uncut vault
Inb4 Forsaken make a capitol out of the crashed remains of naxxramas
hollow dock
Did naxx crash into the ground?
lucid steeple
one of the things did i think
uncut vault
Not officially I don’t think, but I’d imagine after all these years the magic would wear out
hollow dock
is it like Double A batteries?
lucid steeple
id just love to see more detail in the game placed people go for parties
uncut vault
And if not, could keep the floating naxx and move it to their capitol city
lucid steeple
like the gobline place in the horde side the alliance should have a place like that
uncut vault
Make it more of a defensive thing above the actual city
lucid steeple
the pleasure palace i believe it is called...
uncut vault
Gotta be careful, comrade Umbric would jump at the chance to wreck another pleasure palace
terse patrol
Comrade Umbric is a hero.
uncut vault
@dense plover the other cinematic is a recut of warbringers sylvanas for the blood elf heritage
just shows the QT parts
dense plover
you sure?
from what I saw that was a placeholder
but ok
thats still one cinematic
and we only have bits for the trailer
hollow dock
The trailer they put on their youtube was the other cinematic, said port
dense plover
There’s 4 cinematic files
The one on YouTube has pieces of a cinematic
Then there’s the blood elf montage thing
There’s the darkshore cinematic
And then one more
Probably rastakhans death
Probably
uncut vault
we've already heard the audio for it, so definitely
dense plover
lol
awww
i didnt cap it
the map when flying in the gmod
it does a double loop around the two islands
lucid steeple
did blizzard ever give out idea on what allied races they will add and how many they would consider having were not talking millions but a good number.
zealous basalt
Nope
lucid steeple
damn when do you think they might...come out with info on it?
lucid steeple
ok :l
night swift
kul tirans and zandalari are all we know
lucid steeple
DAMN so the game will only tell us what they want us to know 😮
night swift
which are new to only bfa
dude
allied races are a bfa thing
most if not all the current allied races are new races
lucid steeple
well ya i know that but people say they normal give out idea for future stuff
night swift
except for dark irons
dense plover
maghar gorgrond has its own map
hadnt seen this
i know its not new
but its a cool detail
this is what the zone was originally going to be in alpha
strange falcon
every time i remember about wod,i think about how almost an entire expacs content was cut 😦
dense plover
honestly, im glad they didnt try to save it
it was a disaster and couldnt be salvaged
dull flame
Rip garrisons qq
dense plover
yeah
def a store mount
tho it being in suramar is weird
reminds me of the cat mount
vestal otter
I'll buy it 100% if we get it
vestal otter
Hunter only mount pls
dense plover
its definitely mount
the trailer is almost the same as the flying cat mount trailer
they dont sell hunter pets
jade basalt
I think it may be a fake.
dense plover
might be
but wasnt it uploaded by an official blizz channel?
also, lots of trouble making a custom model to fake something
idk
jade basalt
The wings look poorly done and just cheap. The mount itself, if you look closely, looks like the Llothien fox but with a Vulpera's face. And the video itself too, for starters it does not have the "T for Teens" rating label that videos usually have. And I don't think anyone's seen the original video that was supposedly pulled, the only source is this "re-upload".
vestal otter
this is on the secrets finding discord..
dense plover
its possible
jade basalt
Hmm Ryan's a fellow buddy of mine, lemme ask him
vestal otter
also its time to get another mount for the store.... right..?
last one was the dog? not counting boat for reasons..
vestal otter
the link doesnt work now
since they took down the video
they uploaded the wrong video if you check Blizzard Korea rn
you will see that they uploaded the vid to say that 8.1 is live now on Korea..
and it was uploaded right after they took it down
steel venture
Mind, the wings look bad because they're tacked on like most store-mount models.
The Luminous Starseeker and Runesabers look TERRIBLE when they're flying. For some reason Blizzard keeps thinking the Winged Guardian animations look good.
They don't.
jade basalt
tulip sun
May be the first mount I buy
hollow dock
I would say its lazy if it was yet another cat mount
also I just realized
it's more than likely a Krystal reference. From star fox.
dense plover
i mean, it literally reuses a shit ton of assets and then dyes them blue
it even has the same saddle as the fox mount
dense plover
true
btw guys
i realized something
X.1 patches have sucked since MoP
in fact, expac launches have kind of sucked after about a month since MoP
but the expac always gets good after 2 patches
I think this might be because of the dev process
like - they get all this criticism in beta, and it doesnt go into launch, but it shows up fixed in X.1, but all the live criticism then takes time to get fixed because they are developing the X.1 patch before X.0 is even released, so we the players dont see the results of the fixes until 2 patches after we run into the problems
like
historically this trend is generally true
5.0 and 5.1? meh
5.2?
fucking thunder king!
6.0 and 6.1? yuck
6.2? did its best to fix what it could before moving on
7.0 and 7.1? decent but meh
7.2? god damn!
so people are rightfully pissed at 8.1
but its not like we havent seen this before
its a repeat of the last 6 years of wow history
and unless something is ACTUALLY wrong with the dev process, we should see major improvements in 8.2
uncut vault
5.1 was great tho
completely revitalized a zone, had great story that is still talked about to this day
uncut vault
community didnt hate it at all, community does hate 8.1, and did hate 6.1
dense plover
i tried it, burned out on daily quests, and stopped
community hated 7.1 too
just not as much as 6.1 or 8.1
still, I have faith that we will see the fixed we need in 8.2
dense plover
they need to double down on unique, spec/class azerite traits, make the grind more fun, and provide a permanent progression system independent of the armor
hollow dock
fuckin really hate darkshore
uncut vault
Oh, I do too, but "all .1 patches sucked and werent recieved well" isnt really the reason BfA is poorly recieved
dense plover
no
lack of endgame and broken systems is BfA's problem
but it can be fixed
for azerite, i gave my suggestion
ideally, shamans will see some major fixes with 8.1.5 so they dont have to wait for 8.2
classes need to be sped up a little (maybe increase haste effect slightly...)
and then they just need to add more stuff
zones, world quests, etc
the biggest problem is the story telling and the azerite system
if they can hone in on those problems and fix them?
they can make BfA one of the best expansions
dense plover
failure in 8.2 would be my breaking point
hollow dock
they only support horde in the story
dense plover
theyre trying to switch
hollow dock
but they aren't
dense plover
again, golden had so little influence up to this point
as we get further in, we will see more of her work
hollow dock
They had their chance to actually restore that with Darkshore
dense plover
stuff like the saurfang storyline
hollow dock
and they decided. Nah
hollow dock
I waited god damn it for six months since prepatch
dense plover
8.1 was in development before 8.0 released
hollow dock
I waited to see "Alright. So they punched us, let's see if they'll let us punch back harder"
dense plover
they couldnt fix story stuff since it was written
8.2 is where I expect to see the alliance fully take the offensive and deal some heavy blows to the horde
hollow dock
I waited. Didn't bitch or complain that we lost teldrassil. Accepted Lordaeron was the answer to it even though it was no where near the same impact.
They absolutely could have fixed Darkshore.
hollow dock
as they had already altered it once to actually be a better story
and it was still garbage
dense plover
a polished turd is still a turd
uncut vault
I mean, in comparison to other xpacs, Ive got less faith, simply because usually, even if all is shit, like in WoD, they dont mess with the RP community
but in 8.1, instead of trying to solve the problems addons were addressing for RP, they broke the addons that allowed server events to flourish
and in the process broke addon links in guild chat
dense plover
i really dont think that was on purpose
i think they were trying to clean up code and broke a thing
especially since it wasnt there on ptr
just like how the flight maps werent there on launch
they did a bunch of backend stuff and it broke a bunch of frontend stuff
i expect to see an answer in the Q&A tomorrow or on twitter or something
if a mod allowed it, maybe we could ask the ox?
we havent gotten an official response from blizzard right?
uncut vault
I certainly hope so, if they dont answer it, come summer, theres gonna be the same outrage that there was with Legion launch during Tournament of Ages
We havent, no
dense plover
if you want, you could try asking a staff member if we can ping the ox to ask them this one question, or at least get it passed on to blizzard b4 the Q&A
thats probably the smart bet
uncut vault
Current plan is to wait for the QnA, see if they address it
dense plover
i think asking the ox prior might be smart
just so if it isnt on there, it gets on there
but i dont want to ping without permission
jade basalt
8.1 is a great content patch. The only issue with 8.1 is that it didn't fix two very important aspects of the game for a lot of players, gear and class balance. But otherwise, 8.1 is a perfectly fine patch, specially content-wise.
dense plover
and they can fix both of those things
uncut vault
honestly, aside from class balance, which is still pretty horrid, my biggest gripe with the patch itself is that it took way too long to release
dense plover
the game isnt doomed
hollow dock
wait did this patch take longer than 7.1 to come out?
dense plover
yes
jade basalt
A piece of trivia I'd also add is that this whole "doom & gloom" is primarily English (American / UK). (And social media like reddit, US forums, mmo-c etc. are all majoritarily English too.) In most other countries, people are mostly fine with BfA, and 8.1. Not saying you can't find pissed people elsewhere, but yeah it's very prevalent in here.
dense plover
not by much, but yes
big difference is no new dungeon, but we did get a new warfront, and 2 islands
hollow dock
and 2 raids being set up
and a continuation of the war campaign. 2 allied races.
:p
hollow dock
2 raids coming into 7.1?
jade basalt
To be fair 7.1 came out way, way too soon. People complained, and Blizzard even apologized, and said they wouldn't do the same mistake. So 8.1 coming out a bit later makes sense. Maybe a tad bit too late, but personally I'm not even Exalted with most reputations and I don't have a super high ilvl either so the timing is perfect for me.
dense plover
and trail of valor came with 7.1
the placement is a bit different
i feel the same way
the changes to WQ and rep grinds and the addition of assaults are nice
invasions were 7.2 in legion
hollow dock
I'm exalted with the reps I need to be. Proudmoores and Champions.
dense plover
well, now theres paragon too
that also didnt come until 7.2
tho i think theyve now stated its going to be a permanent feature going forward
jade basalt
7.1 had a megadungeon (Karazhan), but this is balanced out with BfA's megadungeon coming out in 8.2 (Mechagon).
However, 8.1 has Faction Assaults, which only came out in 7.2 in Legion. So, again, balanced out.
And when you think about it, that does sound kind of better. It feels much better to get 2 raids, a warfront and Assaults in 8.1, mainly for leveling so people can do it right now, instead of having to wait for 8.2. And then in 8.2 you get a raid and a megadungeon as bigger content.
dense plover
woah
dense plover
they added azerite missions that actually give decent amounts of azerite
crucible isnt quite finished
missing some world assets
and quest stuff
probably 8.1.5
jade basalt
When we say 7.1/8.1, we're including the 0.5 since it's part of it really.
dense plover
^
jade basalt
Because otherwise, Nighthold technically came out in 7.1.5, so
dense plover
but yeah, azerite. just got a mission table mission for 460 AP as the base amount
plus the possibility of a bonus 200
uncut vault
Well, it did, the .5 patches are distinctly separate now, with separately released and tested content
chromie wasnt a 7.2 thing, she was a 7.2.5 thing
theyre basically code for minor content patches now
with no major zone or huge system revamps
hollow dock
Nighthold is minor content 🤔
jade basalt
I mean, yes, but I think you understood our meaning.
hollow dock
Where they add in minor content. but I don't think releasing a raid should be included into that
uncut vault
Minor content patch doesnt mean the stuff released is minor, the scale of stuff released is what is minor
hollow dock
A raid tier isn't minor tho
uncut vault
it is one thing
hollow dock
I just don't feel like the world race should be called a minor thing.
uncut vault
8.1 has a lot of things that came with it, so far we have about 3 things coming with 8.1.5
dense plover
7.1.5 had brawlers guild return, MoP timewalking, and new micro holidays. It also added some artifact knowledge stuff, the premade group finder button to WQs, profession stuff, and a fuck ton of class changed
8.1.5 has the two allied races, probably the crucible of storms, more class stuff probably, arathi basin and warsong gulch rework, darkmoon rollercoaster, 3 new microholidays, WoD timewalking, the capital city portal rooms, profession questlines, brawlers guild returns, and a new pvp brawl, and maybe the worgen and goblin model updates
its the same stuff but better
its a relatively large minor patch
jade basalt
It is. Honestly the term "minor" that they chose probably does these patches more harm than good, they're actually in no way minor, it's just that they usually don't come with new continents/lands or whatever. Currently, 8.1.5 is probably bigger or more meaningful than 7.1 was, but 8.1.5 is a "minor" patch.
Should try to come up with a better term.
dense plover
always undersell
oversell and people can be disappointed
undersell, and people are more likely to be impressed
tulip sun
It is jammed pack of stuff
terse patrol
is it a 7.1.5 build?
dense plover
checking
74mb
still labeled as 8.1
looks like4 it changes the tides of vengeance achieve (if it isnt new) no longer requires the raid
uncut vault
it isnt, does it not require the raid, or not require He who walks i nthe Light
on ally
grizzled sleet
Can you access ptr?
dense plover
dont know for ally
for horde, i havent done the raid
and i got the achieve on log in
uncut vault
Well, does it only have three requirements, or still four?
uncut vault
those are same as live, did you test the story stuff minus raid?
uncut vault
achieve wasnt on the ptr, probably just got added on the ptr build
dense plover
uncut vault
it probably just brought the PTR up to the live build with the minor additions
to prepare for 8.1.5 ptr
dense plover
eh
problem with that, is last ptr build was essentially the same
so clearly this includes the hotfixes
but that doesnt usually warrant a new build number
uncut vault
it needs a blizzard launcher patch too, because it was connected to communities
night swift
Please fix cross rp
dense plover
it might
sullen dagger
8.1.5 iirc
oak wraith
Alliance portal room in Storm windows somewhere. Coming in 8.1.5.
vestal otter
i wonder where they will put that in the Keep?
dull flame
keep gets upgraded i guess
dense plover
Mate tower in SW
Mage tower
For horde, it’s probably going to be in the valley of honor or valley of strength
There’s plenty of room, or they might replace one of the buildings
frigid crater
🤔
terse patrol
dense plover
shakes head
This anime is making too many memes
Ban it
Ban it now
Before it dominates the meme economy and creates a meme-opoly
Then the meme market will crash and the value of meme-coin will fall
hollow dock
It's alright. If Devil May Cry can still make memes
the meme market is fine
When 8.1 was released tbh.
dense plover
So true
dense plover
They’re fixing the azerite system
And they’re doing it like I predicted
Holy shit
strange falcon
Azerite Armor after Battle of Dazar'alor will drop with all Traits unlocked. Artifact Power will unlock things in the Heart of Azeroth instead.
that what you were looking for?
tranquil steeple
is dis legitness?
strange falcon
ye they said it in the q&a
dense plover
Also they’re doing the island rewards method I suggested with adding the items to the vendor at expac end
It’s like I’m a part time oracle
strange falcon
my brother is convinced he's a part time oracle for WARFRAME instead.
ever since they came out of closed beta,he's been a verified oracle
meager warren
Wtf is a warframe oracle
strange falcon
a person,who predicts how systems will be reworked or what features will be implemented in the future
*warframe is a game
meager warren
oh ok
sinful venture
Is the 8.1.5 PTR out?
grizzled sleet
we still have to test M+ new affixe so 8.1.5 ptr is not for now
grizzled sleet
Artifact traits from HoA on 8.2 :
Open the closed door of Uldorus, increasing your primary stat by 200 / 300 / 400
Increase the effects of your azerite class traits by 1% / 2% / 3%
Increase the effects of your azerite defensive traits by 1% / 2% / 3%
Increase your azerite gear by an additional 5 item levels
Your Versatility, Mastery, Haste & Critical Strike are increased by 500 / 1000 / 1500 while in Kul'Tiras and Zandalar
Your spells and abilities have a chance to afflict the target with Azeroth's rage dealing 3000 / 4000 / 5000 Arcane damage over 20 sec. This effect stacks up to 3 times.
Your spells and abilities have a chance to call upon an Azeroth Guardian to protect you, absorbing 5000 / 10000 / 15000 damage. Lasts 10 sec.
You become one with the Heart of Azeroth, you can now hear Azeroth crying out in pain.
tranquil steeple
that last one, monkaS
tranquil steeple
couldn't imagine from the constant bleeding of azerite, and sargeras' sword stuck in the planet, no.
curious about how they'll go about us becoming one with the HoA though
grizzled sleet
Do you really want to know how?
hollow dock
Id just like to know where the info is coming from tbh
grizzled sleet
That was just a joke
but to become one with the HoA you can just imagine it's the HoA instead of heart of Y'Shaarj here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWlH8PTijzA
jovial skiff
tfw still no playable snek news
dense plover
it might not even happen
people keep expecting it to happen
but theres been so few quests where the alliance work with the sethrakk, that it just doesnt seem likely
there havent been more sethrakk questlines
they arent helping the alliance do war stuff
theyre fairly neutral overall, with a slight lean towards the alliance
compare their role to the dark irons, lightforged, or kul tirans
hollow dock
yea but the vulpera who are very horde leaning
are also attacking all sethrak. as of the incursion
night swift
I think we help them? There is the voldun incursion where alliance attack the vulpera