8.1 is in December
#beta-ptr-spoilers
uncut vault
dense plover
thats a decent point
but if anything they said they wanted raid timelines to be longer
not shorter
why would we have a shorter gap between uldir and dazaralor, than nightmare and nighthold
uncut vault
There wouldn’t be, it would still be September release to January release
And there was no buffer raid in between Uldir and Battle
hollow dock
110% @strange falcon
junior prairie
high elves ya'll never gonna give never gonna let down :v
meager warren
Can't even rickroll right, 0/10
winged heron
ya'll
reef bridge
they gave us shammy humans and troll pallies but no high elves
lucid steeple
wait they wont ever give us them or they just will add them in later all they gotta do is make void elves have a high elf skin cant be too hard?
oak wing
Enough with elves. There is four elf races to choose from. Somewhere down the line sure, but not now.
jovial skiff
Night elves get night warrior skin option
give blood elves a high elf option
oh wait, theres no difference
meager warren
one elf race is one too many
oak wing
Never trust an elf!
meager warren
^
sudden oak
dont make me craft a pair of snake leather boots :^)
meager warren
hot
sudden oak
oh my you are one of those
lucid steeple
Never trust anyone who is not an elf -_-
meager warren
you sound like an altmer
zealous basalt
You gotta get your elves when they are co sidered relevant to the expac
So not this expac
sudden oak
looks at the san'layn and dreven
sudden oak
looks at the surviving san'layn after the alliance kills dreven and retreats
looks at the profession item sanguine feather quill of lana'thel
zealous basalt
They are cooler than helves if you want that answer
sudden oak
It's better than nothing 
sullen dagger
There is a conscious effort to balance "bad" events for factions in WoW's storytelling. Battle of Dazar'alor is the "response" to Burning of Teldrassil when it comes to the balance of power between the factions.
eh
i dont really feel like this is equal
hollow dock
wait the battle of dazar'alor is a genocide of the zandalari leaving them effectively crippled?
hollow dock
Does that mean Dazar'alor will no longer be inhabitable by the zandalari leaving the area completely walled off too? :x
hollow dock
C'mon devs. just come out and say you love the horde.
How'd they justify the alliance is evil?
sullen dagger
dunno
they assaulted dazal alir, i guess
end
and killed his king that was corrupted already
it was in this
muted canopy
remember when the human alliance enslaved the orcs and rejected the blood elves after arthas's attack on the sunwell? pepperidge farms remembers
hollow dock
The orcs were never enslaved by humans, Blackmoore's gladiator ring was illegal and under the noses of the alliance, the blood elves were never rejected by the alliance after Arthas' attack, Garithos and his merry band of men accepted him into their ranks but when they allied with the naga, albiet to survive, they were imprisoned.
sullen dagger
how to burn someone lore-wise, 101
muted canopy
pepperidge farm remembers it differently
zealous basalt
Hah get rekt
sullen dagger
now please come eith the slay of thousands of be in dalaran
i dare you
i double dare you
hollow dock
That's litearlly how it was described and shown in WC3 and in Lords of Clans. Alliance officials were never shown the gladiator ring and Blackmoore kept a personal slave in Thrall. Otherwise the orcs were kept in camps specifically to not be genocided out.
that was never even retconned by Chronicles. What was retconned was that the belves never sought aid. Aid came to them in the horde.
hardy hedge
Yeah. Orcs were not depressed because humans tortured them, they were depressed because they were fel magic junkies
That some humans tortured them is another matter entirely
hollow dock
The alliance as a whole never committed those crimes. Unlike the horde, the alliance, even though the majority wanted against it, wanted to save the orcs from a genocide.
hardy hedge
Honestly Terenas was just too nice. Then again the Alliance and the Horde literally forgot the Iron Horde wanted to kill them
hollow dock
but DraenorisFreeWoDEnding.mp4
hardy hedge
You could say that the Alliance as a whole wanted the genocide but then again, is it that bad? For all they knew orcs were pure savages, and they were right
hollow dock
and terenas was constantly hammered by the other alliance council for not wanting to wipe out the orcs.
Indeed
but they never committed the actual act.
I want to go murdering most of the people I know. But I never do it so I can never be prosecuted or be hated because of it. As that's something a lot of people feel.
hardy hedge
Like if you buy Sylvanas's speech about peace being impossible. The other Alliance leaders were in the right, the Horde attacked them for no reason and with no intent other than kill them, and almost every orc wanted that. So killing them all would have been justified
hollow dock
110%
but morally
it'd have been wrong
which is the stance Teranas took and as High King at the time
that stance stood. Until he died.
Teranas was even willing to let the alliance break apart to hold to that moral value. he wouldn't be the same murder the orcs were.
hardy hedge
I mean, the difference is that most Alliance leaders didnt do it because their morals didnt allow it. They didnt do it simply because they couldnt. Its more akin of wanting to kill someone but not having a gun
And you wont bother using your hands
So you just leave
hollow dock
Oh no Chara you misunderstand the situation
Each kingdom at the time had their own army.
With the orcs in camps
they could easily be wipe dout
hardy hedge
Yes but that would mean conflict
hollow dock
But terenas said no. We aren't going to do that.
To the point that kingdoms withdrew from the alliance of Lordaeron.
By the end of it, iirc, only Stormwind and Dalaran were in the alliance when lordaeron fell.
hardy hedge
Most kingdoms thought Terenas was dumb but they didnt start a conflict over it. So they just withdrew and left Terenas to deal with that himself
hollow dock
Yup. Because again. They just wanted closure on it. And sadly we now have a burnt world tree and a bunch of people claiming the alliance is clearly evil.
muted canopy
not evil. just somewhat gray, like the horde
sullen dagger
eh,
we have grey
iv7 is grey
and a lot of internal shit
but we aint straight evil
hollow dock
the alliance isn't grey
the horde isn't grey
it's very black and white
committing genocide is not a grey action
muted canopy
each side is grey because their leaders do things that are not completely agreed upon by all of their other leaders. eg burning of teld. there are also acts approved by everyone that are still grey - eg the dark irons being welcomed to the alliance post involvement with twilight hammer and ragnaros, war and enslavement in northern pandaria by the allies and enslavement by the horde in southern areas
hollow dock
that's not what grey means
You do realize the dark iron dwarves have been in the alliance since CATACLYSM
they've been on the council of three hammers since CATACLYSM
What's worse - I fear that some villagers are being held against their will. If you find them, <class>, let them know that it is time to come home. ```That is the alliance
horde text
in Jade forest
Stop lying and trying to make the alliance bad guys
hardy hedge
What has the Alliance ever done that is grey? Arming blood trolls? Scaring vulperas?
muted canopy
arming blood trolls would be considered grey
hardy hedge
Corrupting some raptor eggs?
hollow dock
The alliance didnt even succeed in what they were doing with the blood trolls
and the blood trolls were militant before the alliance came in
muted canopy
how does that make it okay then? lol
hollow dock
Because this is all AFTER the horde commits GENOCIDE
you don't get a moral highground after committing genocide
muted canopy
so no matter what actions are taken after an evil action, they are justified
hollow dock
100%
muted canopy
understood
hollow dock
Literally as we just went over
With WC1 and 2
After those events
the alliance is more than justified in wiping out the orcs
We don't because that's morally incorrect of us to do
and not after any evil action, allow me to rectify my statement.
After that penultimate evil act
nothing the alliance does can match it
Unless they themselves commit genocide
hardy hedge
Even then, Alliance actions are only slightly grey
hollow dock
as they're doing it in response to the horde.
Where-as the alliance got it done to them by the horde for no good reason other than "Well we gotta do it before they do it to us"
hardy hedge
Like they are never outright evil or blown out of proportion. Its more as if they were AFRAID of doing too much damage
They arm Blood Trolls. Sure thats not okay because Blood Trolls are evil, but whatever, isnt the Alliance going to kill the Horde regardless? They are at war
sullen dagger
do you realize that all the alliance did is retalliate aganist horde actions, right?
hardy hedge
They scare some vulperas. Well thats normal, they are giving the enemy free supply routes
sullen dagger
and the counterpart to that is the raze of a village because they do ships
the comparision is ridculous
hollow dock
because they provide workers for the ships*
not because that village is where it was produced
the actual production area was several miles north
sullen dagger
^
hardy hedge
We never see the Alliance go to the Horde's level. Tyrande never tortures some Hordie out of anger or the like. They havent razed some taurajo again
All of their actions are justified
hollow dock
and even at Taurajo
Even at the alliances "penultimate sin"
the alliance helps the horde out
and evacuates the civilians that want to flee.
those that don't are obviously killed.
hardy hedge
Even in Dazar'alor the Alliance is careful to not do a blood bath
Compare to TELDRASSIL
There is simply no point of view where the Alliance is doing the wrong thing. They are fighting for survival against an enemy that only wishes for their total extinction
And they still keep their morals
hollow dock
Oh but Chara
according to the devs
Battle for DAza'alor
IS the hordes teldrassil
hardy hedge
HAHAHAHAHAHHA
hardy hedge
My avatar is my reaction to this
So this is the most moral grey act
We'll ever see from the Alliance
Like this is their lowest point. They can only go up
hardy hedge
My real complaint isnt that the Alliance are the bad guys, is that they arent tbh
ancient kraken
Let us not forget that the tree had it coming
hollow dock
It never did
ancient kraken
Sure it did! Minding its own buisness and such. The nerve!
hollow dock
wait what
it was minding it's own business?!
Motherfucker
I'm glad it got burned then. Fuckin disrespectful pieceof shit
sullen dagger
i dont know who is fucling things up at blizzard
hollow dock
People can be used for anything not himan as well.
zealous basalt
Blizz is pretty fucked at this point tho Omake
hollow dock
As such "my people" said by Chen, Thrall, Tryande, and Varian all the same
zealous basalt
Whatever they are smoking it's already starting to have a sideeffrct
zealous basalt
That's why I stopped cared about this game
sullen dagger
well, legion was a very aok xpac
and this...
i feel like it's a buildup for ny'alotha
zealous basalt
But for Horde
sullen dagger
and old gods fuckery
zealous basalt
I mean let's be honest why not just
Stop making this multiplayer and turn it entirely single player
So they can have freedom writting all they want for horde
sullen dagger
nah, i think that they wont ever get rid of factions
not because of lore or whatever, but because the code is so old and ingranated with a bazillion things they cant change it
like at all
zealous basalt
That's just a stupid excuse at this point
sullen dagger
and they just build on top of what they have
hardy hedge
Legion had LOTs of problems lorewise, but it's lore is my absolute guilty pleasure, because it's one of those times where I feel the "rule of cool" philosophy actually worked
zealous basalt
Honestly Legion it was good because at least all the team was focused on a certain story rather than split up in Alliance v Horde
hollow dock
I have 0 faith in this faction war being anything but a horde jerkcircle
The rest of the expac with Azhsra and junk
It dont give me high hopes
But its something
zealous basalt
I was willing to give them a chance
But after this interview
Its clear
It's very clear
Blizzard doesn't know how to write equal stories for a faction war
hollow dock
they don't
sullen dagger
and the faction different raid bosses will be a wreckfest
sullen dagger
i mean what do you expected?
anyway you know what i loved the most?
the tinfoil theorycrafters on the horde side saying "oooo syovannas wont burn the tree" or "it was an inside job, anduid ndid it"
pure gold
just to deny that their leader could have done that
👌
zealous basalt
Kham?
sullen dagger
nah, people in general
tulip sun
From what the devs said I expected a third party.
muted canopy
i was personally ecstatic when teld burned. i could hear the cries of alliance fans
tulip sun
They straight up lied to us about the tree e.e
sudden oak
tbh blizzard hyped it so much than most people wanted a less obvious ending
why keep it like this big mistery when 90% of the people can guess it already
so when people saw that it was the obvious choice most people felt disappointed
the obvious reason made sense but some wanted a bit more
oak wraith
Great tit power?
hollow dock
Yes sylvanas' boobs hold all the power
meager warren
b o o b s
full lion
agreed.
unique crag
So there was no new build today, think 8.1 is complete?
uncut vault
Since builds can be anywhere from Monday to Friday, and there hasn’t been a release build, no
Still got many many bugs
marsh wren
uncut vault
I mean, being a necromancer isn’t an inherently bad thing, she’s done worse actions than just raise skeletons.
meager zodiac
still no sign of the forsaken architecture they promissed
hollow dock
Somethingsomething new forsaken buildings that arent the gothic cata ones somethingsomething horde biased
sullen dagger
what i mena is, there hasnt been time enough to make a new architecture
hollow dock
I'd prefer them break this promise like they did to the alliance but eh.
sullen dagger
since they are undead humans, they probably would stick to loarderon type of architecture
it's quite ilogical to do otherwise
it's doable but super silly
hollow dock
yea but they're the horde
uncut vault
It wasnt ever said to not be the gothic cata stuff, just not be gothic cata quality stuff
there are some walls and tents with the same aesthetic on the PTR already
terse patrol
Still waiting for the night elves to get updated ships that aren’t from fucking vanilla lmao
lucid steeple
same
would like to see ships being something players can have but im sure they wont happen.
lucid steeple
did we get to sail it our selves have a hole ship we can walk on with rooms chairs and beds
hollow dock
No that'd be maning a ship.
lucid steeple
yep
id like to see that and i feel like they could do it it would just be up to blizzard to test it
dense plover
that wont ever happen
vehicle system in wow is a mess
its really really old code that needs to be fully rewritten
hollow dock
There's a very good reason why it's rarely used since WotLK
dense plover
pretty much
hollow dock
In a perfect world, Wrath would have seen the end of this Frankenstein engine that Blizz uses and WoW 2 would be an up-to-date MMO.
dense plover
theyre slowly going through and fixing things
lucid steeple
blizzard wouldnt want to make a hole new thing im sure them copying and adding what they have now to the new game shouldnt be too hard but i wouldnt know i dont work there
lucid steeple
Oh..
hollow dock
But the vehicle system in of itself, even in Wrath, was very buggy from the very start.
This game was never built for the more action-MMO styled gameplay which vehicles wanted to replicate
dense plover
its why we didnt get flying combat
lucid steeple
alright
dense plover
tbh, the smart thing might be coding a new vehicle system for all NEW vehicles
hollow dock
So the result was clunky slow things to line up the our skill shots as they couldn't have the spells update in real time to where the model is moving
dense plover
its why the turtles quest is so clunky
lucid steeple
the one that you control the baby?
zealous basalt
What he wants is
dense plover
the ones where you get them to the water
lucid steeple
OH
zealous basalt
Ac bf ship controls
lucid steeple
thato ne
dense plover
yeah, its clunky and weird because of the old vehicle code
lucid steeple
i see
hollow dock
granted this old code works for things like turrets
dense plover
theres a serious delay between projectile and pushing the button
lucid steeple
welp guess back to waiting ...one week left right?
dense plover
2
lucid steeple
oh..ok thanks
tropic trail
I hate these quest bugs in ptr 😦
tropic trail
i reported with 6 chars^^
still no change.. we sit here with 6 players 😄 nobody cant get trough
well seems like i have to skip it
hollow dock
then great for your reports. But it won't get fixed immediately.
royal whale
Does the ptr work right now?
royal whale
rip
ionic terrace
There it is
royal whale
You able to make 120s on it?
ionic terrace
No
royal whale
ugh
ionic terrace
You would have to copy one over
royal whale
I wanna know what i wanna play for 8.1 😦
And i assume there are no other ways of trying out 120s with azerite gear and whatnot
Because i'd rather not have to level up another character and decide that it wasn't what i wanted to play
uncut vault
Well, if its any consolation, leveling is as fast as pre-7.3.5 in 8.1, and 110-120 is way faster with incursions
so testing isnt as hard
royal whale
But at that point i might as well just wait
uncut vault
you've got all of december until Battle for Dazar'alor opens, the patch launch is basically just more of 8.0, but with the changes, gear wise
royal whale
Instead of wasting time leveling a character on ptr just to have to level it again on live
uncut vault
oh I didnt mean on ptr
royal whale
I know
proven sequoia
CHONK
slender musk
Did anyone actually did one incursion round with a 11-119 char on ptr? (Tooltip says 25k base exp and 5 are active; legion 75k base exp and 6 were active)
dense plover
Do we still get the 2.5k azerite from weekly islands?
dense plover
oh fuck
the war campaign is super timegated
pretty much gives us a raid date tho
january 22
they collapsed the cave entrance on nazjvel
some of the new bridges are in
little bits of the new forsaken buildings
Overgrown - The Dredge
new dock
zealous basalt
...dude
That was obvious
Also peach
Wind Waker
Like the legend of zelda the wind waker
meager warren
how was that obvious
zealous basalt
The first war campaign was rep gasted
meager warren
are you serious
zealous basalt
So for obvious reasons the second had to have some sort of gating
meager warren
smh
meager warren
or maybe this is bliz not learning that timegating stuff is an awful idea
dense plover
its not that bad
and it lines up with raid release
timegating is neccesary for mmos
its not as bad as 7.2 with brokenshore
its only 6 weeks, not 10
meager warren
wat
dense plover
its several quests per week
for 6 weeks
broken shore was 1 quest/week
for 10 weeks
meager warren
ok
dense plover
and timegating like this has been in WoW forever
meager warren
and the timegating sucks
dense plover
again, its not broken shore
if everything was released immediately, a patch would have 2 weeks of content and then people would stop until raid
thats unhealthy for an always online game
zealous basalt
And that happens in every game
meager warren
no, i think it's just inconvenient for the people who won't be able to access relevant quests if they can't get on for a week or so
so by timegating it it makes it exclusive
zealous basalt
What?
meager warren
which is shitty
dense plover
what
zealous basalt
...are you on your five senses?
meager warren
but sure, i'm impatient
dense plover
thats not what timegating is
timegating is locking a quest until a certain date
then its unlocked
its not a temporary quest
its forever
meager warren
well, excuuuuuuussse me
meager warren
🖕
zealous basalt
Go to your room
zealous basalt
I am your daddy, so go to your room
meager warren
i haven't seen him for going on 9 years
zealous basalt
Well, in not the one saying that timegate is shit when I dont know what was it so
zealous basalt
Hah
tulip sun
HIGHMOUNTAIN GETTING SOME LOVE ❤
jovial coral
🕵
sour burrow
strange falcon
you also have the meerah music box
sour burrow
Jukebox. And it's not implemented yet.
terse plank
Hey are Island Expeditions bugged on PTR or anything? Somebody in my discord server is saying they can't click the table and whatnot, and they want to update one of their addons for 8.1 
oh nevermind they found the thing (just had to do an intro quest or something)
strange falcon
bois,i got this idea,what if when they do the other expansion's "classic" version,they also include the cut content for that expansions,like Wrath with the nerubian zone,tbc classic etc? it would give an incentive for current players to experience "new" content,and for older players to replay their favourite expacs
tranquil steeple
it'd be lovely and interesting, but I have a suspicion that people are gonna go "REEEEEEEEEEE IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME"
strange falcon
well,it would coincide with both of the concerns for the current classic wow
aka
lack of "new" content
classic is also included in the live subscription,so you would get twice as much "new content" both from the classic "cut" content with a pint of nostalgia,and from live
and imo it would make them more money if they're interested only in that,since people who dont play anymore probably will log in to see what the cut content is
oak wraith
Also, let's first wait to see Blizzard get Classic working properly, and see how people like it 😉
hollow dock
but none of that is 'classic' if you change the content of the game @strange falcon
and to get Classic working "properly" is to literally break the game for the first two years of its life and then rework it halfway through. @oak wraith
meager warren
@tranquil steeple isn't it going to be HD or at least graphics on the level of BfA? People are complaining about that for some reason, so they pretty much are doing thatalready
tranquil steeple
Idk, could be.. I heard something about it being optional to use HD models, but I really don't care for Classic so it's whatever
dense plover
it is going to be optional i believe
uncut vault
There were no HD models on the demo, the only different graphical options is a classic button, which downgrades them further from the current engine
dense plover
right
uncut vault
Looks like we're not getting new forsaken buildings, just the tents and walls
Bit sad
kinda weird that all four actual buildings in the forsaken warfront are goblin stuff, forsaken just get a tent for their great hall
the big forsaken flagship also got removed, meaning the lordanel platform is all goblin
hollow dock
Did the night elves get any updated buildings or the same old vanilla stuff?
uncut vault
They got new altars, new ancients, and a new tree building, as well as all the building updates from Legion
hollow dock
Well that's good. Ships are still the vanilla ships?
uncut vault
Yeah, though theyre not featured much anymore, aside from the one thats used to travel in the night warrior quests
hollow dock
Shame. at least alliance got something the horde didn't.
zealous basalt
Noobs?
dense plover
i thought flagship was there when horde are in charge
arent alliance currently in charge?
dense plover
theres still an invisible wall surrounding the dredge
thorny sequoia
good thing they got rid of that st00pid tree, it was never worthy of Night Elves xD
Kaldorei deserve a tree like Nordrassil back! screw Teldrassil, plant a new tree! 💪 
west relic
hollow dock
planting a new tree isa very bad idea
weak lagoon
The problem with Nordrassil (and Hyjal overall) is that the areas look to "normal". They're missing the "enchanted elven forest" look that Ashenvale and Teldrassil have/had.
meager warren
they could use Shala'drassil
weak lagoon
Hyjal just looks like Elwynn or whatever.
dense plover
thats not why its a bad idea
and no it doesnt
have you been to elwynn?
it looks nothing like hyjal
elwynn
hyjal
totally different zones
meager warren
you're right, hyjal looks better
dense plover
elwynn really needs an update using the new tree models
honestly they should remake ALL of the base tree models so they can just replace them en masse
weak lagoon
They look similar in the colorscheme sense. Hyjal looks like a "normal" forest.
Brown trees with green leaves, etc etc...
Doesn't look "magical elven forest" the way Ashenvale does and Teldrassil did.
terse patrol
@dense plover yeah I'm surprised Blizzard hasnt bothered updating Durotar and Elwynn.
dense plover
time vs reward
hollow dock
that's because it is. In game they can't make the actual Teldrassil
https://storage.googleapis.com/storage.comicsverse.com/uploads/2018/08/WoW-Teldrassil-Tyrande-Malfurian-murloc-dwarf.jpg @thorny sequoia this is the real Teldrassil. Before it was burned down.
steel venture
Yea hence why the burnt tree looks like an actual tree and not a stump.
Darnassus lies intertwined in the canopy. You can tell due to the waterfall that cuts through the city is up there.
And see the hint of the city, even.
hollow dock
yea theres even 2 more Cities (or villages? Hard to tell what's a city and village from inside) with smaller villages around the inside rim of Teldrassil. Which is why burning it down was a genocidal act. :x
steel venture
Yea nelves basically lived throughout the entire tree
Shadowglen was essentially its own village for young nelves to be trained in
And why you "climb" to Darnassus or "descend" from Shadowglen.
if you look closely at the ground it's actually wound leaves and vines, it's the canopy.
If it was made today it'd probably be more obvious it's not a stump.
But more like a proper tree of interweaving brances, vines, etc.
jade basalt
Fun fact, that pic of Teldrassil isn't actually correct. It's probably supposed to be Teldrassil, but it can't technically or physically be Teldrassil. It caused us a bit of a headache on Wowpedia, and it's one reason it's not on the Teldrassil page. Among the issues are the fact that Teldrassil is in the middle of the ocean, while in this artwork, the tree is connected to land. It's in the middle of the landmass. So it can't work as Teldrassil. Some suggested it could work as Andrassil, and Malfurion and Tyrande are looking at it from Darnassus, but Andrassil is much, much smaller and doesn't have mountains on it.
Anyway, my favorite depiction of Teldrassil is this one.https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/6/65/Teldrassilmovie.jpg?version=864a381f7e333e80270f80b5aa8aef32
The sky, the stars, and the clouds at its summit merging with the branches, give an almost cosmic, blessed vibe to it. The branches are also so numerous and thick, and they form a rather flat surface which clearly supports the land above. The scale of the tree itself is friggin immense, and the numerous dwellings along its trunk are cool too. Plus the massive roots and the harbor.
Burned version, shown at Blizzcon https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/b/be/Teldrassil_movie_artwork_burning.jpg?version=a8ef42cdfe76e53d2345196cba2aeb42
Of course there's also Warbringers https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/0/0a/Teldrassil_Burning.jpg?version=c8ed851783738f29b78f4687c544f819
Or Old Soldier https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/4/4e/Sylvanas_War_of_the_Thorns_Old_Soldier.jpg?version=1dd18acd7f009165834d26513625af24
steel venture
It's probably still meant to be Teldrassil regardless of the artist error. I'm not surprised since I'm pretty sure the Traveler artists never worked on anything WoW before prior to this? IIRC.
And ... Idrassil doesn't exist ... ?
It was mentioned in concept art but it was never canonized.
vernal tartan
Eh, it was just a concept art for the book development. Just testing the waters for the right feeling for the narrative. It doesn't have to be very accurate in smol details (and it's a smol detail, cause the art had a very specific purpose).
never worked on anything WoW before prior to this <_<
jade basalt
@steel venture It was meant to say Andrassil*
Also the artist is freaking Wei "the Legend" Wang how dare you
steel venture
I FORGOT IT WAS WEI BECOMES ITS SO CUTE COMPARED TO HIS USUAL WOW STYLE
... and andrassil also doesn't work
unless you mean Aldrassil as in yknow. Shadowglen
since andrassil = voldrassil = grizzlemaw = in NORTHREND
sleek cloud
Ptr spoil : 8.1 is coming
hollow dock
yes it is
dense plover
1 week
Thank god
Fixes to islands, paragon rep, boosted rep from war campaign and assaults
meager zodiac
is auberdine still half destroyed? that building where you go look the eye and maiev kills those blight dudes
or perhaps even lordanel not blighted :/
uncut vault
during the alliance phase, it's sadly only the main auberdine building rebuilt
and lor'danel is permanently blighted
terse patrol
I do wonder what Blizzard intends to do about new capitals for Nelves and Forsaken.
Shoving them in Stormwind is wrong.
Same with Orgrimmar
dense plover
not gonna happen this expansion
hollow dock
that's what refugee's are called Honk
dense plover
^
hollow dock
it's kinda what they do
terse patrol
I realize
hollow dock
get shoved into a place for months, sometimes years, before they get new housing
terse patrol
I mean long term.
dense plover
we will probably see new capitals for them NEXT expansion or maybe the one AFTER
hollow dock
Even longterm, they are what they are.
dense plover
i mean, it kind of depends what happens in BfA and after
cant go back to the undercity
and cant grow a new tree
hollow dock
no aspects to bless it
dense plover
yeah so, honestly
i dont even know where they could put it
they could redo gilneas
hollow dock
the only other idea is that they revamp nordrassil into a capital
in terms of new tree
dense plover
NE helped worgen, would make sense for them to repay the favor
and assuming we ever actually get a goblin capital, the underwhatever could be a decent place for the forsaken
i could see goblins improving the plague for profit
tulip sun
I like the idea of like a undead district added in Orgrimmar instead
night swift
Just give em the underground part of the city
jovial coral
Hmmmmmmm
meager warren
make all of the parts of Orgrimmar that show up in Siege of Orgrimmar the new Undercity
limber mural
so remind me. with this update, do tabard appearances go account wide?
whole cedar
has anyone spotted the frightened kodo anywhere in darkshore?
steel venture
It'll be from a loose kodo.
It's the same model from the pack kodo Malfurion's attack scared off.
runic verge
lucid steeple
@sleek cloud when coming when 😮
lucid steeple
i am my guy
dense plover
@runic verge scrapping season 2 azerite gear
Season 1 gear won’t give it so no point saving your old azerite gear, though scrapper drop rates are improved in 8.1
zinc sandal
My question is...
Why are so many dark eyed nelves in Boralus? They should be in Darkshore.
hollow dock
You do realize that the night elves you see are very much the last few bits of their military right? Which all went with Tyrande to Darkshore. those that returned, well.
They're now dark eyed
zinc sandal
What I mean is, they should be in Darkshore with Tyrande. Why are they in Boralus?
hollow dock
I didn't say every single one
I said the few bits of their military
the nelves around Boralus are military
not civilian
uncut vault
theyre organizing with what willing alliance soldiers they have
mainly us heroes, and yvera dawnwing who provides the portals
uncut vault
Yeah, assuming the majority of the night elf army took part in the ritual (which we aren’t quite sure yet cause no cutscene), even ones willing to continue aiding the 7th Legion would have em
jade basalt
Alliance can't stretch a few forces to Darkshore but night elves can stretch what's left of theirs to Nazmir !
hollow dock
majority, or more than likely what was left of it.
As blizz loves to just leave what numbers are needed
dense plover
Remember, Nazmir is a distraction
It’s not supposed to be a full force
Just enough to make the horde think it’s the preparation for a full assault
uncut vault
Not just the war campaign part, they’re a big part of the nazmir incursion
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
weak lagoon
The Nazmir incursion which is as big an army as we've seen anywhere and they ALL die, lol.
So dumb.
We have Anduin lamenting in cutscene that there's so few soldiers left so he sends a fuckton off on a suicide mission.
And the Night Elves who are practically dead sending 11ty troops.
To die.
hollow dock
again
numbers only matter
when they matter
and are only small when the story requires it
BFA has honestly killed any hope for a decent faction or even racial conflict to exist
Only hope now is Azshara.
and that's it
weak lagoon
The problem is you can't have the story harp on numbers for feels and then at the same time have stuff like Nazmir happen.
weak lagoon
Yeah and it doesn't work.
hollow dock
Yea.
and we can't do anything about it but bitch and moan
they'll still publish it out as is
Only hope I really have is Azshara.
tulip sun
I know I'm a minority but in enjoying it
tropic trail
I honestly don't know if I'm enjoying it or not.
It's like wrapping a belt around my neck, is this a good idea or will people think I'm committing despacito?
misty blaze
andruin and taelia make good couple that should happen
ruby prawn
Taelia is undead
I don't think that would work
We need more racial diversity! What about Anduin and a Nelf or a Worgen?
sudden oak
@ruby prawn That's calia menethil not Taelia fordragon
uncut vault
I'd prefer Taelia not get Aggra'd and actually have her own story
sudden oak
Also spawning a character out of nowhere to just be the arm candy of an important character is totally heretical
ruby prawn
I still think it would be creepy for Anduin to be with her
sudden oak
I'd rather have anduin with someone they knew for a time and shared bonds with
ruby prawn
Like Genn
:))
I hope we'll get a fight between Thrall and Malfurion in the future
I would love to see a cinematic about it
Savior of the horde comes back and has a 1v1 against an old enemy
sudden oak
I was thinking more of wrathion sadly blizzard (nor Golden) didn't like one of the few M x M couples that made sense in the history
And it seems that they only know how to make lesbian couples since most of the community finds them hot
brave cypress
sudden oak
Yeah because it's not like we had an expansion and a novel with them being BFF to the point that wrathion would bail him out of stormwind if his father would ever imprison him for running away from home again
Surely it was just a trick of the light that got almost everyone shipping them together
ruby prawn
Well, Anduin is not allowed to be gay (publicly) because he is a king and needs an heir.
But are there any gay couples in WoW lore? @sudden oak
sudden oak
There are female x female couples in WoW male x male not so much
terse patrol
Its harder to get male x male stuff past a lot of censors in other countries.
Like Russia.
So Blizzard doesn’t really push LGBT characters due to sales priorities.
See: how some countries bitched about Tracer.
hardy hedge
Wrathion and Anduin is not Tumblr shit. Golden pushed it a lot in her writting
Then she said they werent gay. But if you writte two characters as if they were, what is people supossed to think?
hollow dock
I would think they're good friends
because not everything needs to be gay
Like legit, I actually have a similar relationship with one of my best friends that Anduin and Wrathion show. It's that of a brotherhood beyond blood.
zealous basalt
Comrades
That's the word
For me they are in a really bro-comrade ship
That's actually common for us
hollow dock
They're in a pure bromance. They love each other, but as brothers. Nothing more and nothing less.
zealous basalt
That's the best thing you could ever wish, even having a circle of bros
hollow dock
which I am thankful for having 2 friends like that.
zealous basalt
I have 3 and we like to joke a lot about shits
hollow dock
Same. Hell one of them we actually act like we're gay for laughs. Cuz we both have girlfriends
terse patrol
idk why people think two men being close has to mean they’re gay.
hollow dock
They do have sisterhood
vernal tartan
Eh, I don't really get both sides here. Bromance is a thing, yes. Two men can be very close without having a romantic relationship, it's true. But at the same time, they can be like that, and be in a relationship on top of it.
vernal tartan
As for Anduin and Wrathtion, dunno, they always felt like foil characters for each other. In the Shattering, Anduin was in love with a female dwarven guard. Now, he's obviously being set up for a relationship with Taelia. Tbh, I find friggin Baine and Anduin as more believable thing compared to Wrathtion.: between honest friendship and cut horn piece.
hollow dock
Which I have to ask: When it's confirmed they aren't gay, why get outraged to it when you are aware that two guys canbe close friends without it being romantic?
zealous basalt
I honestly prefer close friendship than a ship
You can blew it up while being friends but
I think just making them a couple would just mess stuff up, and ruin it
steel venture
If they do make Anduin gay / bi / pan. I'd rather him have some actual chemistry with a character.
He played. .. games and hung out with Wrathion but also Wrathion beat him over the head and left him for dead if he wasn't found.
uncut vault
The whole “wahhhh men can’t just be friends anymore” whine doesn’t really work when there isn’t ever any actual gay relationships. You can’t say “men can’t just be friends” when there’s literally no gay characters in WoW outside of a stereotyping joke novel
vernal tartan
There's a bunch of lgbt characters here and there, but they are all very minor characters.
The biggest thing there is to this topic in wow is the story about a female night elven couple from Legion. One of them became a satyr to save her beloved. And 10k years later, as ghosts, they finally reunite with each other. Elune approves and cleanses the satyr from corruption.
And it's a questline for enchanting, so yeah, very easy to miss.
terse patrol
@uncut vault As someone who’s LGBT, I think the shipping crowd gets to be annoying.
Yes, I’d like Blizzard to have some gay characters. Tasteful ones that aren’t there just to be a check box.
But it won’t happen for a while, because most people aren’t ok with gays unless they’re lesbians.
Because “girls kissing is hot xD”
dense plover
I think most people probably don’t care. Not like ‘don’t care’ as in being an asshole, but as in not minding if they did. The problem people you are speaking of are the vocal minority
terse patrol
Yes, but they’re a minority who have the power to block Blizzard from selling to large audiences. @dense plover
See: Chinese and Russian government
dense plover
Oh
Yeah there are those
They ARE a problem
And we can’t really do anything about that
hollow dock
@uncut vault It's more towards how every relationship that happens between men, whatever the result of it is, is always perceived as Gay and when it's revealed to not be gay, guess who takes the shit on it?
terse patrol
Sadly, you won’t see major LGBT characters in Blizzard games who aren’t female for a while.
Who knows, I might be surprised.
But sadly, lesbians sell better to homophobes.
Gay men would cause big issues in numerous countries for Blizzard.
dense plover
I’m sure blizzard wants to represent the LGBT community
But yeah, isolating your fan base because of backwards laws probably isn’t how you do it
hollow dock
To be fair honk, I think it is just Russia at this point
cuz League made Varus gay. They are a chinese owned company.
uncut vault
Yeah man how dare people want to see representation in a universe with an over abundance of male friendships, so wrong for being harsh about that
hollow dock
facepalm Alright. I see you don't want to see the point I'm presenting.
vernal tartan
Eh, it's a bit more complicated than that. Remember Dragon Age: Inquisition? One of the most pro-lgbt AAA games of the recent years? You can buy it in Russia. There's even an official translation with Russian VA and stuff. It's more about age rating. If something like this is presented as 18+ (16+ in some cases) content, no-one gives a damn to ban it. Well, the lesbian questline wasn't censored either, despite being a 12+ stuff, but it's a minor thing, which isn't worh the effort. So it's more about Blizzard.
zealous basalt
What ir then just dont want to?
vernal tartan
Blizzard wants cash from it. And making something 16+/18+ would remove some of their sales. That's the reason, derp.
Some food for thought, based on the overwatch issue: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20760656751?page=2#post-27
In case, you are wondering, how it works.
zealous basalt
I just dont see why the big deal
If they dont want to add an extra thing on their characters,its their own
uncut vault
They’re fine with doing it to the thousands of straight characters
zealous basalt
Changing them into bi? Or?
uncut vault
Having them have an established sexuality. They have no issue with adding that to their character
Defining it, at times
zealous basalt
I mean, unless it adds something important to the plot, I suppose that's okay
Which is, you know, the main reason of why blizz does things
uncut vault
peers at literally did nothing but get married and pop out kids Aggra
hollow dock
To be fair for Aggra
she had a massive questline with her saving thrall
like without her thrall wouldn't be here
zealous basalt
Yeah
I suppose thata a good ending for both
I mean tbh I enjoyed thrall being a father after all the shit
uncut vault
Which resulted in a wedding instead of actually doing the plot the story was for
zealous basalt
And what was it?
hollow dock
I mean. The plot of the questline was: Go save thrall from being ripped in two.
well
four. ripped in four
zealous basalt
Metastabilize him
hollow dock
They then blessed nordrassil and had their little wedding.
Id on't see the issue with that
zealous basalt
And well, thanks to that he was a nice replacement for the Dragon soul
Thrall had it earned tbh
And in if
Idk
4 or 5 expacs Anduin gets a waifu and kiddos, it would be nice too
uncut vault
😬
zealous basalt
It can be Taelia or not
hollow dock
Why ya gotta be straight-hatin?
zealous basalt
I mean
hollow dock
No?
O.o
We're saying that people MADE A FANFIC INTO THEIR HEADCANON and it got stomped out
and now they greatly dislike them being friends
hollow dock
They want to force the gay in
is that really representation?
No, it isn't. Forcing it in is just as bad as leaving it out. Forced representation is no representation at all. Let it happen naturally.
zealous basalt
And I don't think Anduin swings that way either right now
Heck, I dont think he swings either way considering the war going on
hollow dock
He's shown literally no other interest in men. He has a best friend in Wrathion. That's it. He's showned fawning over women for his build up and today he's busy running not just a kingdom, but an entire faction of nations
hollow dock
Same
zealous basalt
Like, the only love he could find would be with a mirror
zealous basalt
And having a couple with him would just
Slow him on his plans
Whatever he is doing
You know, the issue with all this is just that the characters are old
Not in wow but in the real time
14 years for some and there are others that are old and have everything established, for those, just dont touch them
hollow dock
yea but any new characters they bring in
there's just a giant target on their foreheads
zealous basalt
Yeah, because of the gender identity boom that is happening
I dont mind those, either
Heck, we already have one person in the entire game
That is Bi
zealous basalt
Yes
hollow dock
That's not what I meant
zealous basalt
No, but I mean
hollow dock
what's the point of them using new characters? they just kill them off
zealous basalt
Ya ya
hollow dock
hence the target on their forehead
zealous basalt
Well, I think that's just bad direction
Unless they are written for one objetive
But even so, it's kinda hard to receive acceptance from all
Scratch that
It's very easy to
Runas is an example
Imo he was a good character to be introduced to the Nightborne
hollow dock
and he ded
zealous basalt
And he is dead
Most of the interesting characters are just
Forgotten
Again, unless there is something planned
And you know, now that I think about it, it could be a bomb too, Des
dense plover
Well they’re finally starting to make Tyrande and Malf interesting
And they’re also starting to remember Lorthemar
dense plover
Sort of unrelated, but they are starting to remember other leaders
So it’s a start
Fucking Baine man
He was in the book
And he has been in cutscenes
It’s the most we have seen of Baine in many years
zealous basalt
It is nice that they remember the main characters
dense plover
We will also see him with whatever the Tauren heritage armor is
And probably the barrens warfront
I still believe it’s happening because Baine hasn’t been a warfront leader yet and the Tauren need story
zealous basalt
I think everyone need story
hollow dock
He's had more dialogue in the past six months than he has in the past 8 years he's been in WoW
let that just sink into your mind
dense plover
Exactly
Thank god for Christie Golden
I can’t wait to see the expac after BfA since that’s when she will have had heavy initial plot influence
Because she joined the team after they already had a story outline and some stuff for BfA
It’s why we are see more accurate portrayals of the various leaders as we get further in to the expac
Are seeing
tropic trail
When are Kul Tiran Humans and Zandalari Trolls coming out
hollow dock
8.1.5 @tropic trail
tulip sun
People blame Christie Golden for everything that is happening
tropic trail
thanks
dense plover
So I guess night warrior happens before that incursion
Gives us some sort of timeline
hollow dock
Makes sense
Alliance is preparing their invasion of Dazar
can't spare men or else the invasion might fail
Gives reasoning as to why the alliance seems to 'just abandon' their ally
dense plover
Also
“Completing a Faction Assault will also provide a 1-hour experience buff to help you as you level your way through Battle for Azeroth and prepare to bring your full might to your faction’s aid.”
I didn’t know this
This is cool
So you get XP from the WQs still right?
That’s a lot of XP
strange falcon
what do you call a nathrezim who's really into baking? @hollow dock
hollow dock
No
strange falcon
a BREAD-lord @hollow dock
hollow dock
No
strange falcon
@hollow dock What's a Troll's favourite drink?
dense plover
is this tower here on live? i dont remember it
uncut vault
Yes, and in the warfront
hollow dock
yes it's up for horde stuff
uncut vault
It’s the mage tower when horde owns the area
dense plover
huh
guess I never noticed
so i think i figured out why there are very few forsaken buildings in darkshore
I think the NEs are going to win
so they didnt want to waste assets
or they at least wanted to spotlight night elves
because the forsaken buildings all use NEW assets
the fences the tents
all of the textures and decorations are new
hollow dock
Well then that completely destroys their own vision that the continents will be owned by the factions
hollow dock
If they wanted to do that
dense plover
they spent time creating a template for forsaken assets
hollow dock
they'd give em a significant win in a quest everyone gets to see
dense plover
theyre not going to waste the new forsaken assets and template
hollow dock
On a rotating war map
that people will constantly be visiting
thus
seeing
It's not like the warfronts are leaving post-BFA, Peach
hollow dock
probably for whatever massive victory they'll hand to the horde.
dense plover
i still want a silverpine warfront that leads to gilneas capital
so they can redo that
maybe make some of witchwood canon
honestly i like the new darkshore
i just wish they updated the trees like in arathi
i mean, they even redid faldirs cove for the arathi warfront
but darkshore still has old twilight cultist assets and old terrain and tree textures
hollow dock
I'm glad you can enjoy it. I just can't.
uncut vault
I mean, I dont think anyones particularly going to win until at least end of xpac, and even then it might just be stalemate forever for game mechanics sake
But nelfs winning is probably the best outcome as I dont know why the horde really cares about darkshore this much, and it would give the nelfs a win
dense plover
holy shit
the war campaign stuff in nazmir
the numbers on the quests are SO accurate
like it actually feels like im killing the correct amount of npcs
and early when you need amod parts, I ended up getting all 4 gob squad members as I got all 10 parts
also
AFMOD
awesome fucking machine of death
😛
also, the use of the new fog engine is so well done
zealous basalt
Of what
zealous basalt
What new fog engine
dense plover
the new engine implemented in BfA
with the fog and new weather stuff?
that engine
zenith slate
https://www.wowhead.com/news=287727/new-multithread-optimizations-coming-in-patch-8-1-tides-of-vengeance#comments Does anyone know if this change will make it to 8.1 ?
I havent heard more about it since the article release
whole cedar
it should, yeah
zenith slate
Sounds good. 😄
meager zodiac
the new survival guide
has a void creature being summoned by alliance troops, i have seen it shown anywere in the incursions
uncut vault
I mean, we've got void elves 😛
theyre all over the incursions summoning void creatures
most of them, including umbric, have void juiced versions of shadow priest abilities too
meager zodiac
i know the zuldazar ones, the dinos, but that huge void walker in voldun is new
unless its part of the last scenario with shandris,umbric, kelsey
meager zodiac
n
terse patrol
Dat dislike ratio.
dense plover
remember
theres only 2 reasons to watch the survival guide
actually want to know the info
or to dislike it
people like me arent going to watch it
so ofc the ratio is high
its biased
terse patrol
Eh, the reddit post for it is negative too.
I won’t be returning to WoW until 8.2
Just isn’t worth it at the moment.
dense plover
same thing for the reddit post
im not gonna unsub
i like the game
and ive enjoyed 8.1 on the ptr enough where ill enjoy it on live for a few months
the changes to xp, rep, and azerite grind are enough to keep me content
uncut vault
oof, so no final build
jagged elk
Wait I'm confused, Release doesn't mean final build?
That usually is the case rigght?
uncut vault
No I mean, theres no new build to finish bug fixes/class balance
one we got last week is the final one
jagged elk
Aaah I see yeah in a way
Though I don't think anyone's seen what's in this new build yet
It is possible, though unlikely, that is has something
Interestingly Release Candidates/Final Builds disable the Character Copy
I still have it
Should I post that a new build went up on the PTR in the general chat?
or no?
uncut vault
No harm in it
jagged elk
How does Wowhead mine the data anyways for the patch?
vestal otter
jagged elk
Damn son
Anything else?
Do you guys usually make a wowhead forum post and compile everything?
whole cedar
thanks for the sandy nightsaber info, removed from the outdoor guide