My ass
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
Nothing about the skyfire is Final Fantasy-esc
tropic trail
I like the alliance leadership tbh, all except tyrande
hardy hedge
Horde also has final fantasy ships anyway
zealous basalt
Because she is old
hardy hedge
I want a scenario where there is a massive airship battle
tropic trail
WE got zepelin ship things
hollow dock
Already happened
zealous basalt
We had one
hollow dock
@hardy hedge
zealous basalt
And Alliance won canonically, right?
hollow dock
ICC
verbal relic
its in ICC
zealous basalt
ICC
hardy hedge
That was only two ships
zealous basalt
Air expac when
tropic trail
Right before the saurfang fight
hardy hedge
I am talking about a whole fleet of them
tropic trail
Why bother
hollow dock
There's not enough active airships on both sides for that
zealous basalt
You think they be cheap
hardy hedge
Just say azerite
verbal relic
thats not the game it warcraft not airshibatllefieldcraft
hollow dock
I repeat my last post
tropic trail
don't speak of azerite
hollow dock
the closest we got of both sides is Isle of Conquest and the Warfronts
hardy hedge
WoW's numbers on anything are based on convenience. They have been in a state of constant war for more than half a decade and havent run out of men to sent until now
tropic trail
We also got the stormheim airship vs fleet of sea ships thing
verbal relic
remember on the woltk box they were airship fights on wintergrasp
hardy hedge
Blood Elves also were wiped out by a 90% yet they can still be a military force
tropic trail
Anaralah Belore
hardy hedge
If they can pull numbers from nowhere so can we pull Airships from nowhere
hollow dock
You do know they could have had numbers of like 10 mil, and still have quite the army left.
tropic trail
What makes no sense is a Void elf army
hollow dock
Oh absolutely
verbal relic
They are like 20
tropic trail
I'd say 60 max
hollow dock
my headcanon is that umbric is secretly corrupt as fuck
zealous basalt
WELL
tropic trail
High elves made an army they brought one to suramar
hollow dock
knows how to make morevoid elves
hollow dock
They have had an army since Wrath @tropic trail
zealous basalt
Do a better job than a whole army tbh
tropic trail
The silver covernant?
zealous basalt
So if a few bunch of void elves can do stuff like in the war campaign
Imagine if we had a whole army of them
We could see void rifts everywhere
tropic trail
There'd be no azeroth, there'd be a black hole
zealous basalt
Ye
hardy hedge
If they were 10 millons. They would now be 1 million. A race of 1 million is still very much endangered in a world like this. Unless you assume their army is of like, 10.000 people
zealous basalt
I think it being few it's kinda....More "controllable"
hollow dock
the army of a million people can easily reach into the 100k region
zealous basalt
..shesh, I sounded like garrosh there
tropic trail
Progress
hollow dock
leaving 900k at home to rebuild
zealous basalt
WHO YOU CALLING YOU PROGRESS?
hollow dock
Those are still huge population numbers
zealous basalt
raises fists
hollow dock
VERY far from endangered
tropic trail
We need a third garrosh
hollow dock
endangered is living in a population of less than 100
hardy hedge
100k is a very small numbee still considering that they are in the equivalent of a constant world war
hollow dock
Assuming there's absolutely no breeding going on Chara.
zealous basalt
It wouldnt surprise me if he was turning more blood elves
tropic trail
Void baby....
hollow dock
We're talking about blood elves Arcane
hardy hedge
There can be breeding. But there has been no time to have any new available soldiers from that breeding
tropic trail
There are high elves and blood elves in telogrus
hollow dock
If the 900k, let's assume an even split, all made children
hardy hedge
Unless you are an orc
hollow dock
they'd be around 2mil with age of thirty
granted these are elves, but canonically, age as fast as humans do
So around the 15/16 year mark
they're off to war
tropic trail
thirty is very young for a belf
hardy hedge
How can they be at the age of thirty?
hardy hedge
Like timeline wise
hardy hedge
Yeah
hollow dock
thirty years has passed since then
zealous basalt
Eh des
hollow dock
was it 20 years?
zealous basalt
We are at 31 ADP
tropic trail
31 since the orc thing
hollow dock
so yea 20 years
hollow dock
OK so a bunch of 20 year olds.
zealous basalt
We need to see that tbh
hardy hedge
The third war happened at 20 ADP
tropic trail
For humans that will be fine, for belfs...
hollow dock
Arcane
hardy hedge
They are 10 years old
zealous basalt
I mean we see it with Zekran
tropic trail
But they live longer
zealous basalt
That he is a fresh recruit
hollow dock
they stop roughly at the 20-30 age mark
zealous basalt
But imagine if we see more of fresh people in the quests
tropic trail
Zekhan is a troll
zealous basalt
And heck, for both sides as we kill them out
hollow dock
to be completely fair in the state of world war
verbal relic
i bet next expansions will have a time jump and a all new azeroth
hollow dock
we don't actually knowhow lethal the alliance horde war has been up to garrosh
verbal relic
endure
hardy hedge
Kidding. We are in the year 33 ADP. The third war happenend in the year 20
zealous basalt
I mean I dont feel bad killing Horde because I assume they are adults
hardy hedge
Those Blood Elves are 13 years old
hollow dock
Aight I did get that wrong.
zealous basalt
Assuming they all were in all wars too
But it would be a different case if you know
It was their first war
And would be really young
hardy hedge
My point is mostly that Blizzard doesnt follow a realistic logic with meassures
zealous basalt
For both sides
hardy hedge
Its just what works for the ocassion
tropic trail
waste of time
hollow dock
cuz they'll use the excuse of "not enough exist"
it's arbitrarily up to them whether or not enough exist at any given point
tropic trail
I hated the air fight in icc
zealous basalt
You know, the exp would feel different if both sides had only new recruits and a bunch of veterans
hardy hedge
Yeah but they can make them up if they feel its a concept they want to do
hollow dock
Yea but then you start to go down the arbitration point
and at that point
why bother pointing it out?
I can make the same argument for high elves, ogres, forest trolls, etc
other allied races
hardy hedge
Imo they are already far on that point
tropic trail
Give us ogres!
hollow dock
Neither do I.
hardy hedge
If they say there are enough then there are
verbal relic
yep they said allied races will come to follow up the stories they are planing to do
hollow dock
but I still hold the headcanon that Umbric is still corrupt and is forcing blood elf captives to become void elves
zealous basalt
Until proved wrong?
hollow dock
Until proven wrong
tropic trail
There are both helvs and belvs in telogrus
hollow dock
yes but canonically Arcane
we can't make more void elves
Because the void elves are a byproduct of a stopped ritual
one we don't have
tropic trail
Unless you have one of those void guys (i forgot what they're called)
zealous basalt
They should try and clear that out tbh
hollow dock
Ethereal
zealous basalt
Etherealz
tropic trail
Yeah
hollow dock
and it was a nether prince we defeated.
hardy hedge
Then how can Umbric force captive blood elves into becoming void elves?
tropic trail
Locus walker maybe?
hollow dock
It's my headcanonit'll be as illogical as I want it to be
hardy hedge
Lmao
zealous basalt
Shesh
hardy hedge
All right
hollow dock
Head canon is that he somehow has a way and does it to prisoners of war
just so the alliance can be doing something that's morally wrong
zealous basalt
And warlocks roasting Vulpera to well done isnt morally wrong?
tropic trail
I find it strange that alliance let void elves into their ranks
zealous basalt
That would be Alleria's work
tropic trail
Noo, I don't want foxes 😢
hollow dock
They are already apart of the horde from just questing arcane
zealous basalt
Iirc Anduin was kinda hesitating too, but in the War campaign Umbric tries to prove that they can be useful
tropic trail
Yeah, but it's still sad
hollow dock
I mean the dark ironshave been unofficially in thealliance fsince cata
so
they even helped varian
tropic trail
I wonder if wildhammer will be an allied race
hardy hedge
What about
zealous basalt
Apparently they got fucked hard
hardy hedge
They were also corrupting eggs iirc
zealous basalt
But forget we fucking obliterated the goblins with fire and void
Oh yes
If there were more void elves I think they could just send entire cities to the void using rifts
And that's a scary thought
earnest violet
@hollow dock @zealous basalt Even more, in the questline Vol'jin state that something was not right about him fatally stabbed by the demons.
tropic trail
That's why you have paladins, to keep them in check
hollow dock
Probably not Arcane
earnest violet
"As if da loa demselves had forsaken me"- Vol'jin
hardy hedge
"Elune has abandoned us! We are forsaken!"
- Vol'jin
tropic trail
I wish we could get the nathanos model for forsaken, but that's sadly impossible
hollow dock
Absolutely nothing isimpossible
verbal relic
why impossible ?
hollow dock
It's highly improbable
verbal relic
yeah it's just a human model
tropic trail
Valkyr sacrificed her life, nathanos got new skin
zealous basalt
Eh that was actually his brother
hardy hedge
I like how the PTR shut me up and now has Nathanos being owned by Tyrande
And has her slashing through his mooks while they ask for mercy
tropic trail
Wait, what happened?
hollow dock
Seriously though I want to meet the QA team who approved the first iteration of the scenario
zealous basalt
Monks
hollow dock
I NEED THE DRUGS THEY'RE ON
zealous basalt
MONKS
zealous basalt
MONKS
hollow dock
they were mooks
tropic trail
Not a big fan of monks tbh
zealous basalt
I still dont get how can they be monks
zealous basalt
They are dead
tropic trail
Sure
hollow dock
hardy hedge
"My heart is pure...Pure evil." - Sylvanas Windrunner undergoing monk training
hollow dock
It's the article written by Ian Bates, Red Shirt Guy, on the first iteration of Darkshore.
hollow dock
they woul dnot have made these changes without feedback
and there wasn't much faith in them changing it as they recorded the voice lines for it
hardy hedge
I mean the outrage was pretty big
zealous basalt
But now we have blood
earnest violet
Also @hollow dock when you said Vol'jin says you need to stand with Sylvanas you were wrong. He says if the words of Baine right the Horde will really need good heroes like the player character (and the words of Baine is that Sylvanas fuck everything up and it needed to be changed). Also indeed Talanji says no matter what She is still the warchief but the important part is that She will do everything she can do to make her rule a just one.
zealous basalt
And orcs head
earnest violet
hollow dock
I never said Vol'jin said that.
I said, that's what Talanji said.
That she will stsand with Sylvanas. cuz she's warchief
zealous basalt
It was me
zealous basalt
@hollow dock
hollow dock
earnest violet
anyway yeah Talajni says that but its more like: Oh shit whatever, she is still the warchief, at least i will try to damage control her.
Also Zandalar just got a major strike from the Alliance and Talanji thought they are doomed so she almost begged for Sylvanas not to throw them out. Sylvanas of course played the honorable leader who don't leave them alone so she was happy
hollow dock
She had no honorwhen she cooked womena nd children in a giant tree oven
earnest violet
of course that's why i said she PLAYED
hollow dock
she hasn't reclaimed that honor
tropic trail
Now Kul'tiras hates us more
hollow dock
Oh we don't know about it yet Arcane
BUt I theorize that this
will kill Katherine
and then we will hate you
even more
earnest violet
anyway look on that video what Baine and Talanji think about Sylvanas after she raise Derek
hollow dock
cuz you guys still killed Daelin
They don't approve
we'll pin it on the board with the million other things they wouldn't approve of
don't mean much tbh.
tropic trail
Rexxar was justified in killing Daelin.
hollow dock
it's still happening, they don't object, nor try to change anything.
Doesnt' matter if it was justified
earnest violet
it means they dislike her as i said
tropic trail
True
verbal relic
where is the dishonor to make the people you want to crush hating you ?
hollow dock
At least Saurfang isn't following someone he dislikes
hollow dock
I think Katherine will
Jaina absolutely not
and Katherine will guiltjaina into letting him in
since Jaina was redeemed
he can be too
that's how the writing will be
pin itnow
Screen shotitnow.Do whatever itis
zealous basalt
And you have all the Alliance leaders in there, including Genn
hollow dock
let's see if I'm right
tropic trail
Sylvanas won't let it happen, she'll probably kill him herself.
hollow dock
Genn doesn't live with the proudmoores
No arcane
this is the plan
to let him back into the alliance
a sleeper assassin
Like garona in first war
which btw, Garona approves of this
tropic trail
So it's a matter of wheather the alliance see's through it or not?
earnest violet
yeah... Garona part is another wrong writing from Blizzard
tropic trail
Medan?
earnest violet
but anyway to conclude the whole thing: The matter of the Vol'jin questline is indeed who is behind the whispers that made Sylvanas warchief and its leading to a potential enemy
hollow dock
and Jaina will be guiltedinto accepting him
zealous basalt
And in that case
hollow dock
and then he stabs and kill Katherine
zealous basalt
Please kill Katherine
hollow dock
Why are you so adamant on punishing people for being people
Honestly
what is so fucked up with this generation
zealous basalt
You have to be a total idiot
zealous basalt
To trust in an undead
tropic trail
Why would Derek follow sylvanas?
hollow dock
Derek is enslaved Arcane
zealous basalt
And Des you cant actually think like that when you have acted bratty before
hollow dock
that's the point of the ritual
zealous basalt
So shut it up with the current generation bullshit
hollow dock
I act bratty when people areforcibly actingstupid
When someone does something stupid because they are a human being and made a mistake they couldn't have avoided
I forgive that
tropic trail
I thought undead have free will?
hollow dock
not derek
zealous basalt
Not Derek
zealous basalt
Unless Baine becomes traitor and kills him on the spot
tropic trail
Isn't that just like the Lich King?
zealous basalt
Ding ding
zealous basalt
You finally understood
zealous basalt
So is Sylvanas the embodiment of all the shit of the world?
First Arthas and now Gul'dan?
tropic trail
First Gul'dan
hollow dock
First Arthas, then gul'dan
the arthas parallel existed with War of Thorns and Darkshore
tropic trail
There's been alot of arthas references in BfA
hollow dock
what's funny is that those 2 have very different outcomes
zealous basalt
Those two are just similarities
We can say then
Than uther tomb is an arthas reference in all games
So its redundant
tropic trail
I mean it got remodeled
zealous basalt
Could say the same for the warfronts
steel venture
Uther's tomb actually was remodeled back in Legion.
tropic trail
Yeah, but something happened there, uther's tomb was remodeled out of nowhere.
steel venture
They had the new model since Legion. They just didn't have the time to implement it until BFA.
zealous basalt
Blizz needs a Jojo reference however
steel venture
I know this for a fact.
It was textured, but had no string for lighting interaction tied to it yet.
Inside of it needed more polish too. But the model was in the files since Legion.
tropic trail
They only implemented it in the BfA prepatch.
steel venture
It was in EARLY legion too that the file was there. So it probably was originally meant to get some polish and be apart of pally or dk hidden appearance stuff.
And now they were like "eh the models there may as well plonk it in."
tropic trail
So why not do it in a patch, why implement it in BfA?
steel venture
Cause swapping world objects requires some type of patch and its easier to drop it in whilst all the other new northern EK models are being put in.
Such as the stuff for Tirisfal and Arathi.
Since they're all nearby one another in the map editor.
It seriously means literally nothing.
There is no return of Arthas.
Sylvanas isn't stupid enough to ressurect Uther out of all people, she has no point to in the war.
Et cetera.
It's just an idle update.
Cause the files were there.
tropic trail
I'm not saying that somebody is going to res uther, I'm just saying it's strange, strange that warcraft 3 and arthas references are appearing.
steel venture
Because it's a key aspect of Jaina and Sylvanas's stories?
The Darkshore warfront is also a nod to Scourge v Night Elves.
It's "Nostalgia: The expansion."
tropic trail
Scourge never actually fought night elves in warcraft 3, it was just illidan and his sub army. The night elves mainly fought against the orcs in warcraft 3.
hollow dock
also she can't
Like she can't resurrect Uther
even by force
The light is so pure at his tomb that it'd stop her
much like Light's Hope
Also @tropic trail Illidanand his sub army were night elves.
So yes. It's night elves vs Undead
earnest violet
@tropic trail erm no the night elves protected the world tree against the burning legion and their undead armies.
terse patrol
“the light is killing draenor!!!”
the light is growing plants around uthers tomb
@hollow dock
hordies love castin blame
tropic trail
Nah, ner'zhul killed Draenor
hollow dock
AU WoD arcane
Grommash claims it's the Lightbound that kill draenor
they claim its the orcs
earnest violet
the light is killing au Draenor because they became fanatics
Uther used the light with just
hollow dock
So are the Lightbound.
terse patrol
Being fanatical doesn’t kill the land.
earnest violet
the Lightbound use it a wrong way
hollow dock
there is no wrong way to use it LOL
tropic trail
"I come to cleanse this land"
terse patrol
TIL the Scarlet Crusade killed New Avalon’s nature 🤔
earnest violet
they cleanse Draenor from everything they find tainted, that is what kills Draenor
hollow dock
Erm. No they don't
earnest violet
erm yes they do
terse patrol
The Orcs killed the Evergrowth.
Which btw
Kept Draenor’s nature alive.
The Breakers wanted a wasteland.
Well, they got it.
Orcs are descendents of the Breakers.
They ravage nature wherever they go, it’s in their blood.
earnest violet
they are the au equivalent of the Army of the Light in the leadership of Xera
terse patrol
<_>
All they show is the Lightbound fighting the remnants of the Iron Horde, the Mag’har. Who, btw, are still industrialist and canonically wipe out the Evergrowth when we leave Draenor in WoD.
The entire backstory of Draenor is about the Breakers vs the Evergrowth.
The Evergrowth wants Draenor to be a giant jungle.
The Breakers want a wasteland.
Evergrowth is gone.
The Breakers won.
Thus Draenor’s environment is dying.
It has nothing to do with the Light.
tropic trail
Sounds like some druid thing.
terse patrol
The world was balanced before the Orcs became an industrial power.
It’s literally a global warming expy in WoW.
verbal relic
Incarnated as fucking BlackHand
tropic trail
Somebody is biased against orcs.
verbal relic
Nah its true
earnest violet
yes, its clear Honkerclaus don't want to accept
verbal relic
Orcs wants real shit thats all
hollow dock
Actually arcane
no
they aren't
The lightbound were made entirely on Draenor
no outside force made them
it's all home grown
earnest violet
the AU Narus made them
tropic trail
AU draenei made them
hollow dock
Not the au army of the light however
earnest violet
probably AU Xe'ra
hollow dock
There's a theory I have when it comes to AUs.
As there's only 1 legion
When someone enters the twisting nether
tropic trail
They're not called the army of the light but they're technically lightforged
hollow dock
all copies of them in other timelines are erased
Oh no they are Lightforged
but there is no AU Army of hte Light. Or AU Xe'ra. If my theory stands
tropic trail
So there's only 1 army of the light?
hollow dock
IF my theory stands, yes.
tropic trail
Makes sense if there's only 1 legion
zealous basalt
Why ignore the lore behind AU Draenor?
Like, it has been always since its creation
hollow dock
I cannot express enough that it is just my theory that the Twisting Nether erases all the other copies of you when you enter it. Making you the one and only copy that exists.
tropic trail
Btw, where is AU Maraad?
zealous basalt
And most of these creatures, breakers vs evergrowt
hollow dock
Dead.
zealous basalt
Fought eachother
hollow dock
Again, theorytime
Everyone remembers Maraad's Lords of War short right?
Where you hear Yrel speaking to him. Holding a child. Wanting to know she'd be safe.
In shattarath
zealous basalt
In fact, Aggramar had to intervene so they dont kill the planet
hollow dock
Well. What if, as we come in after Shattarath has been attacked, AU Maraad did go with them
and died to the orc ambush so the rest can escape.
zealous basalt
If you put attention in Frostfire ridgr
earnest violet
"After the crash of the Genedar, the draenei on Draenor tried to contact the Army." So they tried to contact the Army of the Light, what if they succeded on au Draenor?
hollow dock
Except they didn't
zealous basalt
There was this colossal creature
hollow dock
We know for hard fact that the army did not go to AU Draenor
No naaru crash landed there after we left
It was all bred in house.
zealous basalt
He was the primordial breaker
hollow dock
at least, according to orc legend
zealous basalt
Draenor was a clusterfuck before orcs were created
hollow dock
Anyways.
zealous basalt
You had primordials all over the place
hollow dock
That is my idea of what happened with AU Maraad.
As this really seems to be the AU of "we picked the other decision"
zealous basalt
It was a fight of nature, and if the evergrowt would have won, the planet would still be inhabitable
hollow dock
Grom was given the chance to drink, he didn't
Grom was given the chance to die at mannoroth, he forcibly didn't
also speaking of everyones favorite Hordebreaker
why didn't Mannoroth explode when we killed him at HFC?
zealous basalt
The same could be said with the other pitlord
hollow dock
I thought it was just special for mannoroth to explode
cuz he's the only one, to my knowledge, that does it
tropic trail
His explosion killed grom in wc3
zealous basalt
Probably they forgot to add that thing?
And either way
It would be too op for a raid
hollow dock
Oh OP or not
at least have him explode
we hit the edge of the fight
at like
5% hp
they can rig that
zealous basalt
Although it would be interesting to have a mechanic where in the last breath the boss takes us with him
verbal relic
Like LK
zealous basalt
They'd forgot probably
verbal relic
It would have been funny at last to have been bump from the platform
pulsar iris
Maybe Mannoroth wasn't full powered when we killed him. Gul'dan used necromancy to bring him back, instead of waiting for him to be restored in the twisting nether
terse patrol
Like how McCree has 3 different origin dates? 
earnest violet
in HFC it was the carcass of Mannoroth risen by Gul'dan, no?
hollow dock
that's how the phases of the fight go
earnest violet
why would that explode again?
hollow dock
Did no one actually pay attention to the fight?
He's risen as a skeleton for phase 1
but is fully brought back
in phase 2
and is set into overdrive for phase 3 with a huge doseof fel
verbal relic
Yep mb the overpower phase use the explosion energy to power up
zealous basalt
Now that you say it
terse patrol
Big think: Mannoroth is probably still alive.
zealous basalt
Well, he had a lot of fel energies on him
verbal relic
As Sargeras
zealous basalt
And I think the basis for a demon to reincarnate is not be destroyed by fel energy?
verbal relic
Damn
zealous basalt
Hah
verbal relic
DesSanic
tropic trail
Is Tichondrius still alive?
verbal relic
Yep why not
zealous basalt
If the rest of the Illidari didnt go to hunt the rest of demons
verbal relic
At this point i mean who cares
hollow dock
Yes
verbal relic
they can bring back anyone they want
hollow dock
All of them are alive except for the ones killed in the nether
those are dead for good
Like archimonde and Kil'jaeden
gone
earnest violet
anyway
verbal relic
Archimonde from Wod is the same as ours ?
earnest violet
" High Exarch Yrel yells: I have come to offer you one last chance to embrace the Light.
High Exarch Yrel yells: Your people are choking the life from this world... dooming the land to desiccation.
Grommash Hellscream yells: How can you be so blind, Yrel? It is the Light that has doomed this world!"
tropic trail
Varimathras is also ded
verbal relic
Varimathras is just trash anyway
pulsar iris
I find it amusing that the biggest generals of the burning legion were the ones killed in the twisting nether
earnest violet
also: "The Light Mother has blessed me with visions. I know that one day the Army of the Light will march across the Great Dark Beyond and bring order to countless worlds." - Alternative Xe'ra and the au Army of Light orchestrating the whole Lightbound confirmed
pulsar iris
I'd expect them to be smart enough to not fight there
verbal relic
They lead the invasion so we get to them its alright
tropic trail
Could've been Xe'ra before Illidan?
terse patrol
The Dreadlords still living are Tichondrius, Mephistroth, Anetheron, Mal’ganis, Detheroc, and Dalvengyr.
So
Most of them.
earnest violet
also they indeed purge Draenor: "I call upon you all to ensure that the future promised by the Light Mother is fulfilled. Purge the infection that prevents Draenor's heart from being whole."
verbal relic
Dreadlords are smarter than all the rest except balnazzar and varimatras who are trash
hollow dock
yes it is Nido
All the demons
are the same as ours
There is only 1 legion
across all timelines
verbal relic
Damn they are busy
hollow dock
they are an infinite amount of demons
verbal relic
Is it like programming ? you summon an instance of Archimonde ?
hollow dock
Think of it this way.
tropic trail
If my warlock demons die in the nether, are they dead for good?
hollow dock
Time doesn't happen in 1 static current
yes they do Arcane
except for the purposes of gameplay
lorewise they do
tropic trail
If archimonde was a class, lol
terse patrol
Tbh, I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the Legions forces are focused on holding the Void back. It’s implied in Thousand Years War that the two are constantly fighting.
verbal relic
Yeah its a 4rd dimension
hollow dock
So. think of The Twisting Nether as a nexus
terse patrol
And that the Legion would wipe Azeroth out if it wasnt for that
hollow dock
where all time passes through
archimonde can appear in every timeline at the same time
but still exist as 1
because of how Time works
verbal relic
Its a fucking database
terse patrol
With Sargeras gone, the Void is probably overwhelming the Legion.
hollow dock
Yup
and probably not. but the void is starting to overwhelm planets that weren't touched by the legion
verbal relic
Burning legion == MYSQL
tropic trail
class Archimonde()
verbal relic
final class
sullen dagger
please, constraint with that foregin jokes
pulsar iris
So say Archimonde was in Draenor when we killed him, and at the same time shouting orders in Argus. We killed him in Draenor, and then he suddently died when yelling at his minions?
terse patrol
That’ll likely be the reveal: that it was the Legion keeping the Void at bay, and their defeat starts the beginning of the end.
hollow dock
and no not really Honk
ther'es no reference that the Void is fighting the Legion
just Locus Walker
zealous basalt
Well, wasmt the legion made to fight the void?
terse patrol
It was
hollow dock
it was made to wipe out the unvierse
so the void culdn't get it
Sargeras knows he can't fight the void
tropic trail
Sargeras's main enemy is the void
hollow dock
so he's wiping out the universe
to make sure the void can't get it
that's his whole plan
verbal relic
The legion are the assembly of demons who are evil ceratures jailed by Sargeras when he was a titan ?
terse patrol
In Thousand Years, they find a Legion world wiped out by Void.
tropic trail
Reason he wanted to control Azeroth was so the void can't corrupt it.
hollow dock
Yes and that world is one where Locus Walker was first referenced Honker.
verbal relic
Basically Sargeras did nothing wrong
hollow dock
Basically yea.
But still.
Sargeras made the legion to cleanse the universe in glorious fel Fire to make sure it doesn't fall to the void
verbal relic
Its like Stratholme
verbal relic
Destroy it or let it rot
tropic trail
"This entire universe must be purged"
hollow dock
those were damn near his exact words
pulsar iris
They both meant good, but did it in a terrible way
terse patrol
are you out of your mind sargeras
verbal relic
must be burned*
hollow dock
exactly
Why do you think the titans said
"Dude. The fuck"
"is wrong with you"
and sargeras is all like
"FUCK YOU ALL THIS WORLD IS PURGE OR BE PURGED"
terse patrol
“succeeding you, aman’thul”
hollow dock
"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
verbal relic
From the power given by the crown and all that shit
zealous basalt
Nah nah
verbal relic
what a weebo
zealous basalt
The titans didnt give a shit about the void st first
tropic trail
Sargeras was flowey
terse patrol
is Sargeras Chara from Undertale??
hollow dock
cuz the titans didn't know
terse patrol
Is Sans Medivh???
zealous basalt
You are all weabos
hollow dock
I'm an autistic weeaboo thank you very much.
pulsar iris
Sargeras was the first to acknowledge the void wasn't he?
zealous basalt
"Glad you could made it Aman'thul"
hollow dock
yes he was
pulsar iris
He was all shaky and scared telling the other titans about it
hollow dock
and the titans didn't believ ehim
and he stormed out
cuz they just didn't understand him dad
and then he made the burning legion
and purged the universe
with his flowing golden hair and magnificent hammer
oh wait
wrong character
zealous basalt
He had
pulsar iris
It was like Sargeras himself was a doomsayer or something
tropic trail
"Frostmourne Hungers"
hollow dock
It was a reference to Arthas
terse patrol
SANS MEDIVH SANS MEDIVH
zealous basalt
What was the name of that shit
hollow dock
Arcane got it ho
pulsar iris
He was at the seat of the pantheon saying "THE VOID IS COMING FOR US ALL" and they "this dude is crazy"
hollow dock
"Dragon, wanna have a bad time? Cuz if you cast one more spell, you really aren't going to like what happens next."
tropic trail
Sans is a font in microsoft word
pulsar iris
There was no other choice for him to take things into his own hands
hollow dock
Sans is also a character in the very popular video game, Undertale
so is Papyrus
and yes
zealous basalt
"A solid plan"
terse patrol
😯
tropic trail
Undyne the undying
hollow dock
they talk in Comic Sans and Papyrus
zealous basalt
"There is no need to bow'
terse patrol
very insightful
zealous basalt
"Ah, finally"
zealous basalt
Who could be
tropic trail
Did everyone play deltarune
verbal relic
Ofc Makore
terse patrol
The Forsaken campaign will likely be more Forsakeny in W3R
hollow dock
cant' wait for the full game.
terse patrol
Since they’re making the story fit better with WoW
hollow dock
honk. go look at offtopic
zealous basalt
Gods
hollow dock
the 2 tracks that describe Sargeras in a nutshell
sullen dagger
to think that was act 1 only...
zealous basalt
I dont wanna have that shit
hollow dock
Wanna make it worse Omake??
Toby confirmed that wa smore of a demo
Theres still a full game to release in a few years
tropic trail
What happens if you kill everything, i went peacefull mode
earnest violet
@hollow dock are you trolling the chronicles state Sarges made the entire crusade around killing the titan souls so they can't be corrupted by the void. He and the Burning Legion did fight against the void. They just used the Scorched earth tactic on a grandiose scale
Sargeras*
hollow dock
yes that is how they are fighting against hte void. As I said
they burned everything to make sure hte void can't corrupt it
earnest violet
yes you wrote it meanwhile i was writing myself sorry, but then why did you state before the void wasn't in war with the BL
hollow dock
My misspeaking apologies.
I more took it as they aren't in direct conflict. Like. It'd be better to describe it as a "Retreating war"
where you flee the big enemy and burn everything in your path so they can't use it
earnest violet
yes, as a wrote scorched earth tactic
also Sargeras actively killed a planet full of void corruption
hollow dock
I didn't consider it an actual war as there aren't any known open conflicts between the void and the legion.
Well yea he swiped one in clean.
dense plover
It’s not a war
It’s a campaign to destroy all life
It was at least
He used the demons, but he planned to wipe them out too
His plan was total destruction of everything so there couldn’t be a void titan
earnest violet
anyway why is it stated on Wowpedia that Archimonde dies in the twisting nether and gone for good? The cinematic clearly show him fall on Draenor with him sending Gul'dan to our reality.
dense plover
Yeah he’s dead forever
He dies in the twisting nether in mythic
And then last words are in our world
It’s confirmed he is gone
earnest violet
yeah but its kinda inaccurate then
dense plover
Devs confirmed he is gone
Also, demons can die if there is enough fel
Don’t know if you noticed
But there were two pools of fel right next to his body
hollow dock
@earnest violet Mythic variant of the fight is the canon way of how it ends
dense plover
Also this ^
earnest violet
hmm the fel part makes things even more contradicting as the broken shore was about Gul'dan keep summoning the same demons we just slayed on the shore and that place was full of fel
dense plover
He didn’t summon the ones we killed, and that place was not fel infested
It had influence
And again, devs confirmed it
There is no discussion here
dense plover
That wasn’t what it looked like in the intro
hollow dock
yes it did
hollow dock
Krosus was in a massive pool offel
dense plover
And he didn’t summon the demons we killed
tropic trail
Is that the broken shore?
hollow dock
yes it is
hollow dock
the organiziation is done for.
dense plover
They are no longer an omnipresent threat
dense plover
^
tropic trail
no demons = no warlocks
tropic trail
If a dh is killed on azeroth do they return to the twisting nether and get reformed?
dense plover
There was that whole thing in the DH intro about immortal demon souls
tropic trail
If you die in the dh starter zone, get sacrificed I mean, Illidan says something.
hollow dock
Yea he says you have an immortal soul
like he does
so you'll always go back to the nether searching for a body
like he does
tropic trail
is that all wow chars or only the dh player?
zealous basalt
Dh player
hollow dock
Which may or may not be canon
depends on how blizzfeels
I personally say not canon
zealous basalt
Spirit healers are canon
tropic trail
Shaman rez makes sense
zealous basalt
Well, in the canon the adventurer doesnt die every 5 min
verbal relic
the fact that the canon lore contains players of wow is fucking terrible
hollow dock
not really?
All MMOs include the player into it
that's how you create a story that you feel yo umatter in it
verbal relic
in most of them you are just an incredible hero who overcome any situation so
hollow dock
In WoW we're random murder hobos
hell Wizardsof the Coast includes it into D&D. not their books clearly, but canonically
A group of adventurers deal with the dragon cult and beat back the avatar of Tiamat as a result, Amon, the god of giants, casts down the giant ordning and then another group rise up to stop them.
dense plover
^
Heroes being part of the journey and canon is normal in most community based RPGs
muted canopy
only way around that would be more events like the burning of teld and battle for lord where sylvanas takes all of the responsibility for the events that occured with the players just being soldiers
midnight bloom
With Blizzard tackling the Mobile Gaming side; I hope we get WoW on mobile, think that'd do better than on PC
muted canopy
mission table app fills that void :-p
tropic trail
WoW Critters GO!
celest junco
I've always wanted mobile pet battles I think it would be so much fun
hollow dock
Steve confirmed it tomorow
sullen dagger
infidel
midnight bloom
Is Warframe Expansion tomorrow?
I can't wait
Been playing Warframe off and on since Closed Beta
zealous basalt
Its 2day
hollow dock
whats' today. Fortuna?
cuz yea. It's today. Discord placed the message at midnight for me so it said "tomorrow" on the timer.
zealous basalt
Warframe expac
ancient kraken
Let's hope that there's an endgame this time around 
proven sequoia
I'm excited to see how they handle Azshara's raid fight.
muted canopy
first time trying ptr raid. it usually not on time like this?
strange falcon
yes
uncut vault
I think it was someone here that was wondering, Auberdine has assets in the currently bugged phase for where restored things would go, like moonwells
this is a PH in the air for where a moonwell will be
strange falcon
E A S T E R E G G S
hollow dock
(that joke doesn't work though)
zinc sandal
(Shhhh)
uncut vault
their defenders basically are paladins, but the thing they use is a cleanse
not unlikely that they draw from sethraliss like prelates do with rezan
uncut vault
No, current world quests in the last incursion didnt have the captured sethrak
strange falcon
you mean those in the screenshot?
you can see them right now in the live game
they're from the voldun questline right next to the flightpath
honker has never been to voldun confirmed
zinc willow
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hollow dock
She doesn't deserve that name.
zinc sandal
Delaryn Traitorbitch
tropic trail
Obviously, why would a newly risen forsaken be a captain
meager zodiac
basicaly death made her a complete coward and traitor? good ridance
tropic trail
Traitor, yeah, but why Coward?
meager zodiac
because sylvannas was already planning arthas death with free will, delaryn died doing a whiny and weak speech about hope and its now a depressed servant of the same person that killed her and her lover.
tyrande kills dark rangers in a nice way, so i hope she gets the same treatment
hollow dock
TBH all night elves are cowards that turn their backs on Elune
since we have the penultima example of Elune's forgiveness
she turned a Saytr back tonormal
tropic trail
I think you mean faithless, why Coward?
hollow dock
They cower away from Elune's light
meager zodiac
no because tyrande force chokes night elf dark rangers, its the light of elune that kills them slowly
hollow dock
that's what cowards do
meager zodiac
and they are cowards because they choose to join their enemies because they are afraid of the idea of death
tropic trail
But... They're already dead
meager zodiac
the same people that fought agaist the legion, quiraji, and now some idiots instead of being wisps and part of nature and of elune.
yeah the chose undeath and the horde over dying and joining their ancestors and being a wisp
hollow dock
yea they are dead. what of it?
meager zodiac
delaryn complains about hope, well you were raised because you wanted to be raised
tropic trail
People have no say if they're risen into unearth, they do have a say on who they choose to side with
They could've and should've rejoined the kaldorei
hollow dock
who didn't have a choice
meager zodiac
almost all the night elfs become wisps and fight back the horde even in death
tropic trail
You can't choose if you want to be risen into undeath
meager zodiac
some are cowardous and traitorous, and im so glad tyrande deals with them in a benefiting manner
uncut vault
the valkyr choose not to raise unwilling night elves
also, tyrande doesnt deal with them
hollow dock
No you can Arcane.
tropic trail
Since when?
uncut vault
they havent interacted besides sira and delaryn on the beach
tropic trail
I don't think Sylvanas wanted to be a Banshee
meager zodiac
i have seen a gif
of her fighting nathanos and his small army
there are dark rangers next to him
tropic trail
You're dead, you can't control what happens to you
meager zodiac
and she makes them float into the air into elune glow and hten they die
tropic trail
If you are risen, then you have a choice again
meager zodiac
hollow dock
and given the choice
that's how the val'kyr work
At least
when it's convienent for blizzard
meager zodiac
tyrande points at them and then they float into the air and ask for help
tropic trail
Sylvanas wanted to commit suicide after ICC but the valkyr forcibly resurrected her
uncut vault
they didnt lmao it was explicitly her choosing
tropic trail
Wasn't that in the book
uncut vault
they explicitly ask her if she wants to return
and theyll serve her if she frees them from bolvar
hollow dock
they beg and ask, even offering themselves, for her to become alive again
the ONLY ONE who forces it is the Lich King
and sylvanas sometimes
maybe
tropic trail
Look at the undead in the forsaken starting zone 2/3 of them did not want to be undead