on who?
#beta-ptr-spoilers
knotty parcel
hollow dock
Because they never drained from the fel crystals
Wretched only exist from draining to much magic.
Overindulgence
Essentially, ODing
Where-as the Withered exist by nightborne who drained no magic when their addiction existed.
tropic trail
Is the void elf population less than the high elf population?
knotty parcel
i actually don't like the male void elves
tropic trail
But blizz seems set on not making helves an allied race.
hollow dock
False. As seen during blizzcon, they're still on the table.
tropic trail
Really?
hollow dock
And again, suggestions like mine where we go to AU Azeroth, thus they can be physically changed, and recruit them gained traction.
and it also gets the horde their beloved forest trolls
hollow dock
Not another.
AU Draenor exists in its own AU Universe.
it has it's own AU Azeroth. All we'd need to go is just go there.
zealous basalt
And they said we could go back to Yrel again
tropic trail
Stop arthas from becoming the Lich King? Lordaeronian allied race 😆
zealous basalt
So the chances are there
hollow dock
Nope
No horde is on AU Azeroth
So no Lich King
Ner'zhul never became the lich king there.
No orcish invasion ever happened
zealous basalt
And no undead
knotty parcel
why don't blizz just add new faction called "The Wild"
tropic trail
The lf draenei on au prob destroyed the legion
knotty parcel
and there will be murloc races
tropic trail
Nah
hollow dock
Nope we destroyed hte Legion Arcane
tropic trail
We only killed Archimonde
hollow dock
The legion, and the twisting nether, exist in every timeline as 1 legion.
There aren't multiple legions
zealous basalt
The Legion is just one in the multispace
hollow dock
Archimonde we kill there was the same one that died during the Third War
tropic trail
What?!
hollow dock
he just regenerated in the Twisting Nether
We were also given that lore quite a while ago.
tropic trail
But 2 Gul'dans?
knotty parcel
fel orc*
hollow dock
Demons, when they die, go back to the Twisting Nether
tropic trail
Not a fel orc
hollow dock
and regenerate
tropic trail
Fel orcs are red
hollow dock
then they come back.
tulip sun
I wouldn't mind getting AU elves
zealous basalt
If not killed in the nether of course
tulip sun
As long as they appear unique enough
hollow dock
Unless they are killed in the twisting nether as Mak said.
tranquil steeple
even if Ghoulish'daniel was a Fel Orc, he wouldn't go into the Nether to regenerate
hollow dock
If theyre killed there, they die permanently
tropic trail
Like Varimathras
hollow dock
Exactly
zealous basalt
Archimonde was killed in the nether
tropic trail
Kj too
hollow dock
Now Ghoulish Daniel was dragged through the nether to our Azeroth. There was even a nice back and forth from Kil'jaeden about how the first Gul'dan failed the legion.
and Ghoulish Daniel was adamant that it wasn't him.
In an audio drama that revealed how Ghoulish Daniel made it to the Broken Shore to open the portal to the Nether to allow amassive demon invasion through
tropic trail
So AU Ner'zhul never got hold of the Sceptre of Sargeras?
tropic trail
The whole shadowmoon questline thing?
tropic trail
I mostly remember iron docks from WoD
hollow dock
No horde, no undead plague, no Lich King ever reached AU Azeroth.
All 7 human kingdoms are still that. 7 human kingdoms.
No alliance was ever formed because no horde was ever made.
hollow dock
With no wars going on, it's just open diplomacy
tropic trail
What about the Syndiacte?
hollow dock
They would only be in alterac. assuming they'd even be made
as Alterac never falls to the horde
tropic trail
I don't think there is much difference between humans of Lordaeron and Stormwind.
hollow dock
thereisn't!
That's why you can be a survivor of lordaeron, which is what Bolvar was, by just making a human
tropic trail
Some people RP Kul'tirans with the current human model.
hollow dock
Yup. Not all Kul Tirans are the bulky people we see.
They do use the normal human model aswell
tropic trail
So no Gilneas wall in AU azeroth?
hollow dock
Correct.
tropic trail
So if we were to enter AU azeroth, will the humans make war against us?
hollow dock
Unknown. It depends completely on how blizzard wants to writeit
tropic trail
If AU humans are friendly to the horde, HUMAN horde allied race!
tropic trail
Play void elf.
hollow dock
No.
that's blood elf corrupted by the void
not high elf
If you want humans
go play alliance =^)
tropic trail
Nah, I don't like humans :P, would be funny to see horde humans is what I mean.
hollow dock
I really don't care what the hordes got to gain. Just give the alliance high elves. Been asking for it since vanilla.
tropic trail
I want Ogres for the horde.
hollow dock
Enjoy
tropic trail
Tbh, I'd rather the alliance got High Elves then Void Elves, the velfs seem to have come out of nowhere.
hollow dock
because they did
there was no lead up to them, there was no introduction for them.
They were just shat out.
More than likely, to try and "satiate" the high elf craze when allied races were announced.
but it did the complete opposite
and instead pissed off more people.
tropic trail
Get exalted with the broken on argus, unlock void elves lol.
hollow dock
rumor is that it was supposed to be the Broken we see on Krokul
but cut at the last minutefor void lves
elves*
so that we didn't have 2 draenei races
tropic trail
A broken shaman makes more sense then a normal draenei shaman.
steel venture
NGL.
Ethereals would've been better in this scenario.
locus walker's students or something.
He said Alleria was his BEST student, not his only one.
hollow dock
Why would it make more sense? O.o
urban raft
will kul tiran be in 8.1 or 8.1.5?
hollow dock
8.1
urban raft
thx
zealous basalt
Des
hollow dock
Like how will a broken shaman make more sense than a normal draenei shaman?
steel venture
Makes more of an Argus connection than random blood elves that tapped into the Void.
Oh. That.
hollow dock
Nobundo taught all Draenei. not just the broken
steel venture
It's because Krokul are disconnected from the Light.
So they turn to spirituality and shamanism
hollow dock
Was more so talking toArcane on his comment that a broken shaman makes more sense than a normal draenei shaman, nile. :p
zealous basalt
Des
Didnt they say 8.1.5 would be the release for Kul tirans after the raid and stuff?
hollow dock
No? They just said after the raid is done and the war campaign finishes
which is all in8.1
they'll become playable
or actually
not even
they didn't state the raid was a requirement
I think
It was just finishing the war campaign and get to exalted with Proudmoore Admiralty/Zandalari Empire.
Which I think does extend over into the raid. Could be wrong on that.
tropic trail
Regular Draenei shaman are looked down by the Draenei community as a whole, broken are slightly more acceptable.
tropic trail
When a draenei says that the light could just be another element and the naaru could be some type of elemental, it makes alot of Draenei angry.
steel venture
... except nobundo is now a valued council and friend to velen????
The stigma is lessened severely mdude
tropic trail
To Velen, the community respects velen and nobundo, but it's just as strange as seeing a human who does'nt revere the light.
hollow dock
Not....really?
Hunters dont' worship the light, same with warriors
they're still respected and treated as people
This sort of thinking would bemore prelevant in the Night Elves, as finding one who no longer believesin Elune would be an outcast
tropic trail
But who has more respect in human community a paladin/priest or a hunter/warrior?
hollow dock
but the Draenei can have shacking faith within the light and turn to Nobundo for shamanism.
A warrior actually.
Bolvar
Varian
tropic trail
Anduin, lol nvm.
hollow dock
Anduin is the current king
for a lot longer people revered Varian. also the king.
and Llane. Also a king.
2/3 are warriors.
tropic trail
But do they abhor the light?
hollow dock
No and neither do shamans
You're making this religion thing a bit to seriously
Shamans do not worship the Elements, first off.
Secondly, all Draenei have faith in the Light.
No matter their profession or way of living.
steel venture
Draenei really don't mind non-Light worshipers either.
hollow dock
As they follow Velen's example for the most part.
steel venture
As long as they aren't demons.
hollow dock
and Velen is all about acceptance
the only time we see this is false is with the Kurenai
and even then, it' snot actuallyhaving to do with worship of the Light
it's just they don't forgive hte orcs and feel that those who committed heinous crimes should be punished. They're untrusting of newcomers and outsiders.
uneven comet
Who needs the light anyway? We all saw where that got Tirion. xD
hollow dock
Shamans, to my knowledge, have never been looked down upon.
tropic trail
Turalyon is probably more revering of the light then Velen.
hollow dock
Nobundo was actuallywelcome with open arms despite being a shaman and teaching a new lifestyle to the draenei people.
steel venture
It was only slightly. ^
steel venture
Like "eh, lil weird but k"
hollow dock
Yea I'd have to agree more onthat.
tropic trail
Equating the saviors of your people to an elemental I mean, is that not an issue?
tropic trail
Not worshiping elements, but lowering the value of the Naaru.
hollow dock
Shamans become servants of the elements. In return, the elements grant them power.
Shamanism doesn't lower the value of the naaru
Where are you getting that misconception from
steel venture
It's not like draenei will exile you either for being a shaman.
hollow dock
I seriously want to know where you're getting your information from @tropic trail
tropic trail
Just a thought, Are paladins more revered amoungst the draenei than shaman.
steel venture
No.
A vindicator is seen similarly to a soldier. They're respected but an equally experienced warrior would be viewed the same way.
hollow dock
Yea I'd say Nobundo is revered just as highly as say. Velen. They both are massiveheros to the draenei people who restored hope where none lay.
steel venture
The Exaarchs were all types of people too.
Friendly reminder that the Rangari even had an Exaarch on the council
tropic trail
Do the draenei worship the light like humans?
hollow dock
No.
Each race has its own way of worshiping the light. Even so, each person worships in their own way.
Take Maraad for example, his worship of the light is through constant battles against what he sees as evil to atone for the crimes he committed.
steel venture
They revere the Light as a guiding, prophetic force. Not really as a 100% divine force.
hollow dock
but not every vindicator or draenei paladin thinks or worships in his way.
tropic trail
I don't really play Draenei, but thanks for the enlightenment.
hollow dock
Don't have to play the race to understand it.
The only draenei I still have is a lightforged shadowpriest.
tropic trail
Are lightforged exodar draenei or draenei that was part of the army of the light for thousands of years?
steel venture
The latter.
tropic trail
T'paartos was from the exodar.
hollow dock
Exodar Draenei are stepping up to become Lightforged
but when we're on Argus, they all were there for thousands of years.
and none of them were from the exodar
tropic trail
I mean the playable ones.
hollow dock
Again it's a mix
Because of how roleplay works, you can be an ancient Lightforged. Or a new recruit
steel venture
Mix now. Ye.
tropic trail
Do you think that Velen is not as strict on the Naaru and the Light as most of those that are part of the army of the light?
hollow dock
Absolutely
The Army of the Light sees the Light as it's one force. They think like the Light does.
tropic trail
Illidan Killed a naaru and he done practically nothing.
steel venture
Remember though. The Lightforged are not Lightbound.
tropic trail
Turalyon got pissed.
steel venture
Lightbound are extremists. Lightforged are devout, but not extremists.
hollow dock
Plus afterwards you are told that "Even though the loss is great, we still have a war we have to win."
It's uknown if that's entirely the case. Wejust haven't seen extremists out of them as they have no naaru egging them on to be extremists, Nile
tropic trail
So the lightforged are almost like zealots, wheare as the lightbound are?
hollow dock
More devout zealots
Essentially right.
The Lightbound are what the Lightforged would be if Xe'ra was still around
tropic trail
I think Yrel is going to be a raid boss.
steel venture
We have no way to get back to AU draenor officially now.
hollow dock
Now Nile, blizz did say that we may yet go back to AU Draenor
and see Yrel.
and the Lightbound
Unknown how but honestly
since they macguffin'd it up the first time
I'm sure they'll make a new one
tropic trail
Is elune a prime naaru?
steel venture
Unlikely.
hollow dock
Elune is connected to the naaru, but there's no confirmation on what she is.
steel venture
She's only theorized to be connected tbh.
hollow dock
A proven theory
tropic trail
The lunar magic is arcane and not holy in nature?
steel venture
Via Khadgar, a human, who only used one Pillar of Creation.
hollow dock
A pillar of creation used to open up the Heart of a Prime naaru
whom from the resident naaru expert
can only be opened by oneof its kind
So either Elune is connected to them, or is just as powerful as them.
steel venture
He used the most logical one but we can't actually repeat the experiment to see if any others could've worked
So tbh. Still in the air.
hollow dock
Regardless. She's connected to the Naaru somehow.
tropic trail
Night elves would probably massacre us for saying such herecy.
steel venture
You never say a theory is 100% by one experiment attempt.
hollow dock
now that's some dank ass heresy
The theory is that she's connected to the naaru somehow. That has been proven correct as her power can do what other naaru can't
steel venture
Which may be due to her being an actual god, though.
hollow dock
Ima not fight you on this one Nile. Canonis, she's connected to the naaru somehow.
How is unknown
that's it
zealous basalt
I'm still in believing that elune is in a higher plane
tropic trail
What are actual gods in warcraft?
hollow dock
Elune is one of them.
zealous basalt
She can be connected to Naaru as she could be connected to the dark part of the Light
hollow dock
Beings that can tilt the universe around. Void Lords are also seen to be gods.
tropic trail
Are Titans technically gods?
zealous basalt
As she could be connected to order and life
hollow dock
Technically yes.
hollow dock
Khaz'goroth, for example, is revered by dwarves.
Since Khaz'goroth is the maker of the dwarves
tropic trail
Naaru are the light equivalent of the voidlords, so are naaru like gods?
hollow dock
Sort of and that's not entirely true
there is no equivalency that we've seen for a naaru, since Naaru become void beings themselves, on the voids side.
hollow dock
the void lords on the other hand, they physically can't exist on our plane of reality.
tropic trail
And the wild gods?
hollow dock
Wild gods are sort of like demigods.
zealous basalt
Then the shadow of the dark naaru can burn put and become light again
tropic trail
Was malorne a wild god?
zealous basalt
And imo
hollow dock
Yes..
tropic trail
But he's ded
hollow dock
He and Elune gave birth to Cenarius
and no he isn't actually.
He was revived in Cataclysm
zealous basalt
I think Naaru and their Dark counterparts are disconnected from Void Lords
tropic trail
I want a Lightspawn!
hollow dock
You can go make a glyph for it
tropic trail
Yeah, but it only lasts for like 20 secs
zealous basalt
Get the pet
tropic trail
What pet?
zealous basalt
DEZ PET
tropic trail
Can only use the lightspawn on a disc priest tho.
tropic trail
Yeah, but he's gone now.
tropic trail
Oh...my bad.
timid iron
How are things going for feral on the ptr?
terse patrol
HoTS Thrall quote 8D
"Take your warchief's advice: Don't run around doing stupid things just because someone yells 'For the Horde!'."
hollow dock
Feral is already in a good spot
tropic trail
How's shaman in the Ptr?
hollow dock
they're fine
tropic trail
Specifically Elemental
tropic trail
Any changes from live?
hollow dock
uh there are some damage increases last I checked. Other than that don't think so
tropic trail
Good enough
dense plover
It’s definitely not done
There will be more changes in 8.1.5 to change based on feedback following 8.1 changes
zealous basalt
So no more leveling challenge?
tropic trail
There never was a challenge.
dense plover
It’s just faster
Which considering the increasing amount of levels
Is a good thing
Should make the allied race level time much faster
hushed sable
horse
grizzled sleet
@ionic terrace They talked about this long ago, it's here since few builds
grizzled sleet
https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=166792/taste-of-victory we also have this for experience, not sure how to get it
ionic terrace
The potion is 10 war commendations each
leaden garden
I'm hoping they'll follow suit with what they did for Dark Iron. They got corehounds as a race mount but went back to rams for the pally mount. So, direhorns for racial and Holy Raptor for pally
Hoping lol
grizzled sleet
Oki 
ionic terrace
I'm doing the war campagin on PTR (don't ask), I don't think the Dark Ranger here was always a nelf
🤔
grizzled sleet
is it after the events on Darkshore?
grizzled sleet
oh
grizzled sleet
Delaryn is supposed to be the first night elf dark ranger
ionic terrace
Yeah I feel like it's an oversight
terse patrol
any sethrak stuff going on in 8.1?
strange falcon
not really
strange falcon
you should probably refer to the sethrak discord for info tho
dense plover
in relation to the picture from earlier
meager warren
As opposed to this discord infected with furries?
Like Vris, for one
strange falcon
thats a big accusation e.e
i thought vris was only into pretty flamboyant bois with blue eyes
hollow dock
I'm into what?
meager warren
Furry
hollow dock
what accusation was made
ionic terrace
I found where all the Lightforged went lol
hollow dock
Oh hey they can still, use teleporters, warframes, and their light machines from Argus.
Doesn't seem like they run on Argunite if they ran out of it
ionic terrace
I'm surprised the Vindicaar isn't flying overhead tbh
terse patrol
I mean, they got the Crown of the Triumvirate
zealous basalt
Murder says you are a furry in case you have him blocked
zealous basalt
Well, that would made you a scalie
dense plover
They might run on argunite. Maybe that’s why we don’t see the ship flying around
sudden oak
dragon boys are the best 👌
dense plover
That’s actually a good reason. IE, ship takes a ton of argunite, but warframes and teles dont, so it’s a better use of what they have
hollow dock
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/226/016/d0b.png draogn people are great.
dense plover
Weeb
hollow dock
In which that's fine for the ship itself, Peach
but.
I MAIN LONGSWORD YOU KNOW THIS
terse patrol
That aint furry
dense plover
But you used to be anti weeb
hollow dock
until I mained longsword
terse patrol
Those are monster girls tho
hollow dock
found my inner weeb
sudden oak
dense plover
Oh how times have changed
hollow dock
Now I just embrace it
dense plover
These images are getting #no-wow-discussion
hollow dock
Anyways.
Doesn't fully explain as to why they couldn't teleport the warframes...ya know.
To darkshore.
terse patrol
@hollow dock
terse patrol
I’d like to see Velen in action
dense plover
I’d like to see if they explain why we don’t see the ship
I know the gameplay reason - it would be OP
But I want a lore reason
The argunite reason is a pretty easy one which I would accept
terse patrol
Inb4 the Horde shoots it down with an Azerite shot from the Bilgewater cannon
hollow dock
Wouldn't be shocking though.
dense plover
Yes it would
hollow dock
The horde already accomplished something hte legion couldn't
What's a second one to the first?
dense plover
Burning a stationary tree is much easier than shooting down a flying space ship
hollow dock
They defeated the night elves. In a crushing defeat.
That's something not even htelegion got done
hollow dock
the l egion had 3 times and lost all 3.
horde managed to get it done
Again, not putting it past them to be able to bring down the ship the legion couldn't
dense plover
All 3 times legion had two forces fighting it
dense plover
2v1 is literally twice as difficult as 1v1
War of eternity and legion
2 of 3 times
hollow dock
War of the Saytr was purely NIght elves vs Legion demons and hte saytrs lost miserably. ThirdWar, the demons werefacing a small alliance force, the horde forces after escapefrom durnholde and the night elf forces that were there en mass.
The three direct conflicts between the wars were Eternity, Saytr and Third war. Legion didn't see the night elves in direct conflict with the legion.
And in all three instances, the bulk of the fighting force was the night elves. and the legion lost all three times.
but the horde manage to win and no allies for the night elves show up. Plot convenience for the sake of convenience. Can you really assume the War of Thorns would have went the way it did had the Ancients actually defended their allies?
terse patrol
Still wonder how the Third War Legion was more threatening than Legion’s Legion. The MMO feels like it trivializes everything.
junior prairie
are you allowed to post polls here? there's one going round for alliance allied races...just for bit of fun 😄
hollow dock
Yu'd have to ask the mods or staff.
muted canopy
does blizzard consider power levels after wc3? are adventurers supposed to be as strong as say arthas in wc3 or are 20 adventurers combined supposed to be as strong as wc3 arthas?
dense plover
That’s honestly a bit hard to say
muted canopy
if one player is to be as strong as wc3 arthas, then it'd suffice to say that 20 wc3 arthas's would be able to take down archimonde, but if we're supposed to be playing instead as the fodder we trained in barracks, slaughter houses, etc in wc3 then i would agree that the mmo plot trivializes everything for the sake of making players feel more important than they actually are
dense plover
We are definitely close to the heroes of WC3 in terms of power level now
meager warren
How close
zealous basalt
Well, in Legion I'd say we got this enormous power boost that put us in a titan level at the end
leaden garden
Well also think of it this way
We technically didnt beat Arthas
He said "'nuff of this shit" and one shot the raid
Then Tirion did plot-armor stuff and broke Frostmourne and those released souls stunlocked him till we beat him like a pinata
That's equivalent to saying "we beat superman!" When all you really did was stab him with a kryptonite shard and then curbstomped him till he was dead
Yeah you technically "won" but you didnt beat him
I think Legion is the strongest we've been and we became roughly NPC levels of power
muted canopy
a fifth ring on azerite gear should fill that void
jovial skiff
why stop at 5?
strange falcon
because thats what we get next raid
hollow dock
It won't make me hit for a million damage @muted canopy
so no that void is still pretty empty
humble sun
That datamined XP bonus sounds delicious.
But I'll be taking it with a grain of salt. Sounds a bit too good to be true.
humble sun
The reward from the assaults, sounds like a 10% bonus to xp.
And the xp nerf is minute by the time the player reaches 113 anyways.
The XP loss from previously required is a couple hundred xp difference between the two numbers.
So there's not a noticeable difference between 114 - 120.
Just makes it so that people ding 114 even faster.
The only thing different is the amount of IEs you need to do.
mystic heart
@ionic terrace do u found any cutscenes?
cuz in WC we have so much IGC
grizzled sleet
You can also get 80% exp with heirlooms at lvl 110 by doing 1 legion invasion; level 111 is easy to reach this way
Not sure if heirlooms work at lvl 110 but I was equipping them and I got 80% exp
muted canopy
they work as in you still get the stats and xp boosts, but they just stop scaling once you hit 110
uncut vault
“There are no plans for more Allied Races until 8.2, but character customizations are added as players suggest them.”
Interesting, definitely haven’t announced all 8.2 features
strange falcon
calling it
8.2 will have vulpera allied race
thats almost a given
mechagnomes cant be an allied race the literal patch they are introduced
so they need something for alliance
uncut vault
Nightborne didn’t get theirs until release patch
We’ve got nearly half a year for them to announce it
tulip sun
True true
uncut vault
Also kinda counts out junker gnomes as a part of the next combo
Because their story is in 8.2
tulip sun
Perhaps another old school race
uncut vault
And all allied races have some kind of story precluding their playability, even velfs
strange falcon
i strongly do not believe mechagnomes to be in the next allied race combo
STRONGLY
uncut vault
But they had precluding story with Alleria
frozen dust
*asset
uncut vault
Weak connection but it is the connected story
hollow dock
An elf can take in void. That's not a launching point for a whole race is my point
dense plover
yes
i think they plan to make certain helms allow for not bald
probably the ones where clipping is rare
like the pirate hats
hollow dock
Spoiler: there's still over a month until the patch drops
weak lagoon
Yeah.
I know.
But we've started seeing the set show up in cutscenes.
And I feel like they wouldn't do that unless the armor was done.
Like look at the Sentinels with Tyrande in her cutscene with Anduin.
hollow dock
I honestly didn't even notice their legsin any of the shots.
weak lagoon
Don't get me wrong I'd love to be optimistic. It's just one of those "so close yet so far" things.
hollow dock
that's been my attitude on Darkshore since its first iteration tbh. So I feel ya pain
weak lagoon
Because the set is SO CLOSE to being great (well the colors are still iffy, but I mean the design of it) and it's not like we're going to get any Night Elf themed sets (beside the Heritage one) after this. So if this one is disappointing, that's game over.
I've been waiting for a Sentinel set since freakin' VANILLA.
And now we're finally getting one.
So I'm kind of invested in wanting it to be good.
And much of it is.
Like the helm is perfect, save for the "pulled down hood" clipping like crazy through long hair.
weak lagoon
The mail set (being the one I care about) is something I'm close to in love with, save for a couple of things.
Namely the lack of hip geosets and the Day-Glo shades of purple/gold chosen.
The shoulders in particular I adore.
And the hat.
hollow dock
It just feels off to me. Design, color, just. Everything feels off about it. and not because of geo-sets or whatever.
hollow dock
Dunno. When I imagine a warfront armor, I imagine like the Arathi one. You can see them in a war in that armor.
Night elves aren't one for armor. Especially heavy armor.
So to see them fully armored up just. Dunno. It feels off.
weak lagoon
Yeah I dunno.
hollow dock
Like they're forest fighters right? Full heavy armor inside of humid forests is a death sentence.
Not to mention that they use trees to their advantage. So weight goes against them, they just have to rely on their natural speed and agility, kinda like a monk would, to reduce the threat of death.
tropic trail
Has anyone else noticed that, as of current PTR build, reputation tabards are now account-wide transmogs?
hollow dock
yes that was announced
uncut vault
oh, those mail legs actually look better on the men than women
hollow dock
a long time ago
uncut vault
thats a first for nelfs
hollow dock
before the PTR opened up actually.
tropic trail
Not sure that it was, but it wasn't implemented last build I checked : )
should check if it it works for armor too 🤔
hollow dock
I can be absolutely sure it was. As it was in a Q&A about 8.1 before Blizzcon
Yes it works for all reputation locked armor
uncut vault
not even Q&A, in Ions announcement video it was a big point of his
tropic trail
It did say "There's a lot of reputation-locked faction transmogs and the reputation locks will be removed," but it wasn't implemented on the PTR in the first builds, so I wasn't sure what the extent of the unlock would be. Just glad to have my tabards haha
hollow dock
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tropic trail
uh, my Mage has an Elite PvP set as a transmog option. Something's up
uncut vault
yeah my paladin on the PTR has the Elite set from legion season 7 too
hollow dock
it is auto-earned on the other side
uncut vault
seems to be a bug
hollow dock
but that normally only happens on that toon whent hey faction swap.
tropic trail
I don't have any elite pvp set on any character, it's very odd
night swift
are you on the ptr?
tropic trail
Beautiful set though, and yeah I am
night swift
oh did you try going to live? Yeah that aint gonna happen
tropic trail
No, tabards being account-wide just doesn't work like it should on the PTR
I tried purchasing the Ashran tabard, and it wasn't made available on any other characters
I'm guessing that means there's an issue with how tabards being made account-wide is triggered
I tried copying a new character onto the PTR, but that didn't work either
dense plover
uh
i think it takes 2 hours
gotta wait for the refund window to expire
also, horde war campaign is bugged
rakera is uninteractable
hollow dock
yea you have to equip it first @tropic trail
Otherwise its not actually registered in your apperances
dense plover
not just equip
hollow dock
Yea that removes the window peach
dense plover
oh
hollow dock
when it becomes bound to you
dense plover
i thought that didnt work for tabards
hollow dock
tabards still become soulbound
dense plover
gotcha
tropic trail
Let me check, I was pretty sure I equipped it
Running on an external USB 2.0 hard drive from like 7 years ago
It still has the 2 hour thing, that might have to expire first
the window isn't removed when it becomes soulbound, only when you transmog to it
likely because it's a BoP
Yup, it's working. Thanks @dense plover
meager warren
where is nazjatar on Azeroth?
jovial skiff
We dont know
apparently very far away
hollow dock
don't know what
meager warren
o ok
dense plover
we dont know its far away
they say we take a boat trip
These are my gueses
might actually be below kul tiras
next to the R in Zandalar
but that general area is my hypothesis considering naga activity and the map
jovial skiff
That makes the most sense, but it seems like its going to be far away for some reason
otherwise I feel like it would have been mentioned in game by now
dense plover
why do you say that?
its deep underwater
how would we even know?
if you get too close, your ship gets destroyed
or if you find out, you die
so we would never know
meager warren
so how are we visiting it now without dying?
jovial skiff
majik
uncut vault
Id bet on 1, since thats the direction the naga came from in both azsuna/eye of azshara and the broken isles, and its right next to the naga incursions in zuldazar and nazmir
dense plover
that was my logic
we are visiting it because azshara pulls the water away to make her assault easier
if the troops want to reach her they can no longer drop from the surface
they have to boat outside and then land
also, i imagine it will be explained in a cutscene
hollow dock
tbh I still thinkbeing underwater is far better.
In terms of tactical defense
thats a lot of open water to dive in
zealous basalt
Wasnt it in a rift?
dense plover
no
they called it a crack in the sea
specifically they said an area where the water has been removed
look
i think they just want a reason to not make an underwater zone
hollow dock
I can totally understand that
Just saying.
If azshara kept it underwater
she can sick her kraken on us
and sharks
and whale sharks
and we'd have little to no defense against that
dense plover
again, i think the cutscene will tell us why ¯_(ツ)_/¯
zealous basalt
And players complaining because Vash'ir
hollow dock
Again
zealous basalt
Even if it was a gr8 zone
hollow dock
I understand the want
for not wanting underwater zone
just sayin
This is forcing the enemy to make a bad move to avoid bad game design.
zealous basalt
It could be too like Wind Waker
Having a bubble of air around certain areas for reasons
hollow dock
I dont play zelda
zealous basalt
Thats why I am telling you that they used a bubble of air around an area
tropic trail
When I think of Vasjir, I think of the water temple from ocarina of time.
hollow dock
the only thing the two have the same is the fact they have water
Vash really isn't that bad.
tropic trail
Nice story though
hollow dock
If you were looking for efficiency you shouldn't be going to anywhere that has large areas.
tropic trail
Was a noob, leveling my third alt
hollow dock
that is no excuse you have the internet
tropic trail
You know how bad my research skills are
hollow dock
That's what schools for
tropic trail
School is done
tropic trail
I mean high school, life learning is different, learn from experience rather than a classroom
hollow dock
Classrooms are an experience.
tropic trail
I mean by trial and error
Mistakes in an assignment are one thing, mistakes in life choices are another
hollow dock
A mistake is a mistake. the consequences of said mistake vary, but the mistake is still a mistake. It's all an experience
tropic trail
Still different from listening to a lecture than actually working, both help you gain knowledge, but it is gained differently.
hollow dock
Depends on the person.
Regardless.
"I was a noob" is not an excuse. We have the worlds knowledge open to our finger tips and are on a discord hosted by an information database on this game we play
there is no excuse for not being able to just look it up ourselves.
tropic trail
But from the experience, I learned to not go to Vasjir
zinc sandal
@hollow dock Some people would rather interact with and gain information from other people. Text cannot change to clarify your doubts, but people can elaborate further on a specific subject and change wording to make it either more understandable or outright simpler.
hollow dock
Gorak Tul is heavily hinted to have being ded for good when we kill him in Thros.
In which, I can understand having looked it up, then coming and asking around about it.
But people don't look it up first
is my point
@zinc sandal
earnest violet
I hope they do more with the Drust as introducing them just to be done for good right after is quiet anticlimactic. But I think we will see more as everything is building up the Shadowlands and the fate of the dead story so far
hollow dock
Thros isn't actually in the shadowlands. It's more accurate to say it's apart of the Nightmare.
earnest violet
yeah, it was a latter change from the blizzcon reveal, nevertheless they are dead in spiritual form trying to get back. Also Sylvanas, Bwonsamdi etc., the quest to find who whispered to Vol'jin when he died are all building up the Shadowlands and the dead.
hollow dock
Erm.
That's not what the questline is actually about. The questline was just putting Vol'jin to rest and turns out he's a loa now.
earnest violet
erm no
hollow dock
Indeed. O.o We bring the ashes to Bwonsamdi, turns out his spirit isn' tthere.
So we go out to find it, we find it.
Something something Bolvar is involved and Bwonsamdi gets us out of there and Talanji and Vol'jin talk it out
earnest violet
and Bwonsamdi has a mysterious boss + we later question Vol'jin why did he choose Sylvanas and who was the Loa who told him to do it
hollow dock
yes and none of that is the focus of the quest
as I said
Those are extra tidbits blizz tossed at us
hollow dock
No they aren't. Bwonsamdi's boss is not the focus of this.
Why vol'jin chose sylvanas isn't the focus. Nor who the loa that spoke to Vol'jin is. It's about getting Vol'jin back. All the other stuff is forshadowing, or in other words: "Extra"
earnest violet
The entire part is about to get who the hell choose Sylvanas and what was his/her purpose with this as the leadership of Sylvanas fucked up everything. You must be blind to call it an extra. Its foreshadowing and building up the future enemy, this is the focus.
hollow dock
That's not the focus
want to know why?
You can remove all of that stuff and the quest still operate in the exact same fashion
earnest violet
lol
hollow dock
that's why it's extra
I'm not denying that the stuff exists. It does. But it's not the focus of the quest nor the reason why we embark on it.
earnest violet
you can remove all those and the quest will be about happy reuniting with the former warchief for the sake of no fucking thing
zealous basalt
In the end it doesn't matter who choose sylvanas tho
Vol'jin says that, that you still have to be with her
hollow dock
Rommper, that's 90% of all quests in WoW. us doing things for no real reason.
Other than
what the quest text
tells us
earnest violet
lol
hollow dock
everything you've listed is in addition to the quest, not the reason for it
hollow dock
It's not a belief. That's just hard fact.
tropic trail
Are you guys confusing the quests from the zandalari rep with the Voil'jin quest on the ptr?
zealous basalt
Thing is
zealous basalt
It wouldnt matter in the end
Like, that's what proves that questline to mot to be the "Who made Sylvanas warchief" because as I said
tropic trail
Was'nt there 2 parts on live, 1 for revered, 2 for exalted?
zealous basalt
In the end Vol'jin just dismiss it and just says that no matter what, you have to be with your warchief before he goes away
tropic trail
T'was N'zoth
earnest violet
Man they put a huge effort into finding who made Sylvanas warchief and it turns out most likely somone with a huge plan and maybe even malicious one. They risk to get killed by the freaking Lich King just get some information. He departs telling us that he goes searching for more clues( means he will return in the future to tell us aye mon we are fucked)
tropic trail
Yeah, is'nt that the 8.1 Vol'jin quest?
earnest violet
This the latest on ptr. Baine and Talanji fed up with Sylvanas they are asking why did he choose Sylvanas, who was the loa. Voljin claims he can't reach Bwonsamdi and his memories are blocked. Then you have to question Bwon. who says he knows nothing and hate Sylvanas for screwing up the balance. Bwon. teleport us to the Lich King who also hate Sylvanas for screwing up the balance and had no part in it. Then he outright tries to murder us. Then you have to go to the Valkyrs where it is said that they know stuffs but won't reveal the whole thing. Only info is that the whisperer is not the same who made Vol'jin a loa and they also don't like Sylvanas. Oh and evil spirits try to stop us on every part of the questline
zealous basalt
Huh, I was wrong then, apologies
hollow dock
Fed up with Sylvanas.
Talanji.
Who says "Doesn't matter she's the warchief at the end of it all"
myfacewhen
earnest violet
Talanji is also about muh honor like Saurfang
tropic trail
The old gods did it
hollow dock
She also trusts Sylvanas
earnest violet
He dislikes Proudmoore being raised as a slave
tropic trail
hollow dock
Like rewatching it. those are her words
earnest violet
Half of the horde leadership constantly bingo between hating her and trusting here...
tropic trail
Baine
hollow dock
Baine is outspoken about her actions
but that'snot reallyhate.
Legimtately baine is the only one who actually mistrusts her, but he won't actually bite.
tropic trail
See how baine looks at her in the battle of lordaeron
earnest violet
They dislike her tactics but muh loyalty
tropic trail
Saurfang
tropic trail
Who's the orc leader then?
hollow dock
No one.
Saurfang was the surrogate, but he he left the horde to fend for itself to rot in a prison.
tropic trail
That is just sad, we were the original horde and now we have no actual leader
hollow dock
Deserve a lot worse tbh
tropic trail
Nah
hollow dock
Uh. Yea.
DEstroyed a planet, upwards of 5 different races, and sought to destroy a second.
The orcs deserve a lot worse than what they have right now
tropic trail
That was ner'zhul, not my warchief
hollow dock
Doesn't matter. You are all orcs who partook in it
Saurfang, for example, genocided the Draenei all the same as Gul'dan.
tropic trail
I'm not a warlock, I have no idea how to use shadow and fel magic
hollow dock
But saurfang is excused cuz he felt bad about it later?
earnest violet
Saurfang was the leader of the orcs
tropic trail
There is such a thing as atonement
hollow dock
and Saurfang hasn't attoned.
None of the horde has actually.
In fact, they went back to the demon juice to win a conflict they started
tropic trail
Grom went and screwed us over twice but he redeamed himself and is remembered as the hero who fixed his wrongdoings
hollow dock
Yea I'm sure all those draenei he killed think he's redeemed.
or all those humans. Or night elves.
Or Cenarius
tropic trail
To orc I mean, I dont care about Draenei or elves or even humans
hollow dock
They are the ones he has to attone for because it's those he wronged.
tropic trail
Attone for what exactly
hollow dock
You don't get to pick and choose.
Oh yea know
Massacring them .
Destroying their home
leading to the destruction of their planet
forcing them to flee
tropic trail
Draenor was initially the orc homeland
hollow dock
and then to the night elves
tropic trail
Same like how humans hate us for invading azeroth
hollow dock
Trespassing into their lands, attacking them when they sought for talks and explanations, then drinking demon juice and allying with the Legion and then massacring their demi-god and ofc, them.
Draenor became just as much a home ot the Draenei as it did the orcs.
They even lived in relative peace with each other.
tropic trail
Do you accept the orcs in Alterac?
hollow dock
Ofc not. They invaded and claimed land that's not theirs.
zealous basalt
That's different because they came to azeroth to conquest
hollow dock
^
zealous basalt
You cant compare orcs and draenei
hollow dock
The draenei, when they landed, did not fight hte orcs
and the orcs did not fight back.
tropic trail
They're living in peace there now, with no plans to take stormwind, just like those invasive draenei
tropic trail
Dwarfs are evil
hollow dock
Drek'thar has been attacking thealliance mining operation in Alterac since day 1
and the draenei weren't actually invasive
They hid their cities, left the land mostly untouched.
zealous basalt
They, unlike orcs, didnt have any chance but to land there and hide
hollow dock
In our timeline that is. In AU Draenor, things were a tad different.
Places like Shattarath were even hidden completely and hunting parties planned mostly to never interfere with each others hunts
Hell, if you will recall so very long ago. Thrall panic'd when he got the news that the Draenei arrived on Azeroth. Specifically because, guess what, they genocided them and now have to deal with that.
tropic trail
Thall is not to blame for that, he was'nt even born.
hollow dock
and yet
he knew the horde he led still committed those crimes
The nuremburg defense does not work, sadly. You can't pin crimes on the leader. Every person is responsible for their actions and choices.
tropic trail
But we did not know that the demon blood would turn us into the bloodthirsty slaves of mannaroth
hollow dock
The first time, you're correct in that. However
You didn't start the genocidal campaign after drinking
you drank to finish it
tropic trail
Nope, the bloodlust was caused by the blood
terse patrol
why are we debating a troll
verbal relic
We went chopping in the woods and elves coming at us fighting, you dont answer with flowers
hollow dock
That's very false @tropic trail
Firstly, the bloodlust was inherit
WoD proves this.
Secondly
tropic trail
WoD ruined the lore
hollow dock
The orcs started massacring Draenei LONG before Wod came out and LONG before they drank blood
verbal relic
You cant caompare WoD with anything in W3 its another timeline all things are different
tropic trail
The bloodlust ended when grom killed Mannaroth
hollow dock
False Nido.
Chronicles proves this
Indeed. but the crimes left unpunished
and unanswered
which is why Thrall panic'd when the Draenei came down onto Azeroth
verbal relic
How do you explain grom doesn t have a son in WoD ?
tropic trail
There was no such thing as draenei back in warcraft 3
verbal relic
They were it was Eredar
earnest violet
@hollow dock the i did it on command may not be an excuse but the i didn't even born is. All future german leaders can't be responsible for the action of a certain mad painter. So like Thrall couldn't do jackshit about past.
hollow dock
Because some events did change. Like Ner'zhul having a wife, Grom losing his wife.
tropic trail
Yup, the only one encountered was archimonde
hollow dock
And that's not what I was talking about Rommper
The orcs, and Arcane here, are tryign to use the Nuremburg defense to stave off all the evil things they've done.
"Oh it was Ner'zhul's fault. they were warchief."
"Sylvanas isn't my warchief, so I'mnot at fault for what she orders the horde to do"
hollow dock
Hellfire Penninsula became Hellfire Penninsula because of the Horde.
verbal relic
They are guilty indeed, thats why i dont understand all that honor bullshit with Saurfang
hollow dock
Not Ner'zhul.
Which is what I was pointing out Nido
Saurfang killed kids all the same as Gul'dan
tropic trail
Drinking the blood of mannaroth was my fault
hollow dock
but we forgive Saurfang cuz he feels bad
as is slaughtering men, women, and children who were mostly civilians
tropic trail
People change
hollow dock
and crimes stay unchanged
verbal relic
He wants a fair death like he didn t even give one
tropic trail
What can you do to atone for it even if you changed?
earnest violet
The orcs were manipulated by Gul'dan (with the massacre of Bladewind clan) and Kil'jaden through Ner'zhul's dreams that the Draeneis are ready to massacre them.
hollow dock
Maybe actually try to atone
tropic trail
Like how?
tropic trail
They'll kill us
hollow dock
No they won't. In game they will because of game mechanics
verbal relic
So die to redeem
tropic trail
Can't blame them if they kill us though, but going there is basicly suicide
hollow dock
It really isn't. The draenei are not a violent people.
But the horde refuses to seek atonement.
Saurfang refuses to seek atonement
verbal relic
He wants a fair death without dishonorable acts of war
tropic trail
If you see a group of orcs approching the exodar, you'd probably blast them with the space cannon
hollow dock
As did the horde.
verbal relic
To me all that honor story is crap like you dont enter a war to be honorable, you enter to win and do all thing you can to
verbal relic
Sylvanas is kind of hardcore but not wrong
tropic trail
Killing you own troops is wrong
zealous basalt
Both let the sha to possess their commanders
hollow dock
Now. Back to our theoretical. Something like it did actually happen on my little server where I rp on. The draenei guild approached the orcs, three of them in total, who sought atonement for what they did. To reclaim their honor and set what they did right.
hardy hedge
MoP was a better war story than BfA. Prove me wrong
zealous basalt
proves you wrong
tropic trail
Garrosh's character got ruined in MoP
hollow dock
Not relaly
hardy hedge
verbal relic
We dont see the finals of Bfa
hardy hedge
Bring back Rogers
hollow dock
Like he's right there in borean tundra.
zealous basalt
HELL NO
hollow dock
staring down scourge inside his base
tropic trail
In cata he was good.
hollow dock
and he wants to go start shit with the alliance
hardy hedge
Now thats the kind of charactee we need for BfA
zealous basalt
No
tropic trail
Rogers is dead?
zealous basalt
We dont need Sky Crasher Rogers
hardy hedge
I want to get ordered to kill fleeing Horde again
verbal relic
Ye in wod
hollow dock
rogers didn't die in WoD
zealous basalt
Nah, she is still alive
zealous basalt
And in BtS
tropic trail
hollow dock
tropic trail
^
hardy hedge
Who cares about Mathias Shaw or Halford
hollow dock
(Mak they're doing this to egg you on)
hardy hedge
hollow dock
(and you keep falling for it)
verbal relic
Draenei crashing everywhere
zealous basalt
I dont even know who in their senses put her as a Sky Captain
tropic trail
To piss everybody off
hardy hedge
Hey Draenei have crashed moee ships than Rogers and they are still allowed to fly
Why cant she
zealous basalt
Because at least draenei obey
She doesnt
And it costed us the best ship of Azeroth
tropic trail
The vindicaar?
zealous basalt
Azeroth
verbal relic
best ship is Sylv x Nathanos
tropic trail
I don't care about alliance final fantasy esqe airships.
zealous basalt
Who is asking your opinion m8