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dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 10:56 PM

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its either going to be that or its going to be really slow

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 10:56 PM

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is the fastestway to satisfy people.

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Wouldn't you agree, Peach?

earnest violet Nov 5, 2018, 10:56 PM

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who would in its right mind would go back in time to pretend he/she is a slave of the Lich King then act as freed from his grasp?

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 10:56 PM

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I just want Draenei dh, would look rad

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 10:56 PM

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definitely not how you would do DKs

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just DHs

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DKs would work better as a new batch raised by the champion in legion

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or your race sent back by the bronze drakes to prevent a change in time

night swift Nov 5, 2018, 10:58 PM

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Could kul tirans be possible dks in the future? They’re definitely more prevalent in past lore than other races

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 10:58 PM

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I think they could
And dark iron dks already exist

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 10:59 PM

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but then why would they only recruit a DH? and not just a group like they havein the past? Like yes it's the fastest way

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but also makes up more questions than blizz is probably ready to ignore

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 11:03 PM

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I mean, obviously you could have a few intro quests

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Or you could have a new scenario on Mardum, post legion

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Or mardum right at the start of legion

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Inside the ship after reclaiming it

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Have them start at 90

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100, not 90

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 11:05 PM

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Another rework?

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 11:06 PM

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That’s the problem

uncut vault Nov 5, 2018, 11:09 PM

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I mean, I don’t think DHs need new races or starting zone yet, but I think DK needs a new one regardless, to reflect Bolvar and the events of the Legion class campaign

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 11:12 PM

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But then how do you have them start at the same lvl?

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I think a bolvar raises them and sends them back to stop the present from breaking is a decent solution

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Or again, legion champion

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Could even be themselves in a disguise

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Maybe a buff on the summoner “hey, isn’t that, nah, it can’t be”

stiff vector Nov 5, 2018, 11:15 PM

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i am highly annoyed when newer races get DKs or DHs

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 11:17 PM

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they aint getting nothing

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the new races i mean

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 11:22 PM

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Idk.

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It feels like the void elf solution to high elves.

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 11:26 PM

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Pretty sure marl was joking

night swift Nov 5, 2018, 11:28 PM

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"When new races get DKs or DHs" So the one time when Goblins and Worgen came out in Cata?

stiff vector Nov 5, 2018, 11:36 PM

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yes

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i was feeling physically sick

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i almost made a three paragraph forum post about it

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 11:37 PM

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I wrote a novel about my anger

stiff vector Nov 5, 2018, 11:38 PM

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some of the discussions here would qualify as that i'm sure

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and no @dense plover i am always entirely serious about everything

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 11:38 PM

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You said and DHs

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So I figured it was a joke

stiff vector Nov 5, 2018, 11:39 PM

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you figured correctly

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i was tongue in cheek making fun of some people who take stuff too seriously

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but yes it is kind of weird from a lore standpoint if that were to happen

dense plover Nov 6, 2018, 1:10 AM

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Holy shit

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For instance, Necrotic will be physical and not magical.

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Best

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Fucking

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Change

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 1:10 AM

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@hollow dock if bliz put in the effort, they could make more races be hero classes but like i said in the subreddit, i'm not holding my breath for it

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 1:10 AM

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thats one way to buff guardian

dense plover Nov 6, 2018, 1:11 AM

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It was shitty for ALL tanks

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 1:11 AM

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on that note, how can pandaren be DK without breaking lore?

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 1:11 AM

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wandering isle

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 1:11 AM

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there's actually a pandaren dk that exists

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 1:11 AM

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doesn't that circle around Pandaria?

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 1:11 AM

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Nope

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circles the world

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 1:11 AM

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wot

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o

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 1:58 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraftlore/comments/9uf20b/did_i_miss_something_leading_up_to_bfa/e94aa40/

who's right in this argument?

r/warcraftlore - Did I miss something leading up to BFA?

74 votes and 66 comments so far on Reddit

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 1:59 AM

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First one

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Orn something

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:00 AM

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thought so

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but first one isn't Orneden

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:07 AM

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that's a lot of dialgoue to shift through

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mind giving me the TL;DR?

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 2:08 AM

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I mean, theyre both wrong, really

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:08 AM

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ok, which one is more wrong

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 2:08 AM

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Sylvanas isnt justified and perfectly correct in attacking the night elves over teldrassil, but she also has good reason to believe that peace wont last with the leaders of the Alliance that arent Anduin from Legion

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in the end, Id say Zimmonda, because at least they are arguing via in game logic and not just saying "this was dumb because blizzard demanded plot"

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:10 AM

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wat

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 2:10 AM

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actually using in lore references

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:10 AM

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why are you getting into pissing contests on reddit anyways

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:10 AM

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he was saying Sylvanas had rationale to do all this shit despite the Horde being the ones to start the wars

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i'm not

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my reddit is Demonic74

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:10 AM

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right. Why are you getting involved in any of this

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is my question.

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:11 AM

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It seems that our discussions arent good enough for him

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:11 AM

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how is reading them getting involved

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no, mak, that's you using ad hominem

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:11 AM

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why would you need to know who's less wrong about something they're both being wrong about otherwise?

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:11 AM

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one of them seems to know what's going on and the other seems to be trolling

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"Anduin threatened Sylvanas"

horde started war every time there was a war

"Genn tried to assassinate Sylvanas"

where?

"Sylvanas is doing all this for the Horde"

By the protests of Baine and Saurfang, that doesn't seem right

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:13 AM

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Genn did try to kill Sylvanas. Assassination attempt is a stretch

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but I believe that is a reference for Stormhiem

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and yes Sylvanas is doing this for the Horde's benefit as the horde stands to benefit from it.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:14 AM

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he stopped her from controlling the valkyr.

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:14 AM

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Saurfang and Baine are opposed to what she's doing because, on moral grounds, she's worse than garrosh

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The initial attack on the fleet, Arson

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:14 AM

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how on earth is starting a war that doesn't need to be started for the horde's benefit

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that doesn't make any sense at all

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:15 AM

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Because like she points out in both Before the Storm and Elegy/A good War

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this war was inevitable

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old hatreds and festering wounds do not stop nor heal.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:15 AM

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yes, because eventually, she would have been the one to start it

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:15 AM

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She's doing this to make sure the horde stays ahead.

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:15 AM

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If she didnt start, someone in the Alliance would do it

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:15 AM

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If you're not going to listen to the canon, don't get into the lore.

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:15 AM

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I mean, it originally was a very good plan, and even had backing of Saurfang

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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where/ when did the Alliance start the war?

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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I think it was all good until you know, the fire.

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Oh my god.

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Please stop

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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no

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not until you answer

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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you're twisting it or you're very confused on what we're saying

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We are answering

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you're twisting it

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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genn isnt going to sit around forever with gilneas unreclaimed, rogers isnt going to let the forsaken get away with Southshore, people would eventually want to reclaim Lordaeron, or Quelthalas, for the Alliance, it wouldnt last, someone would be against Anduin's peace

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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^^

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Thats how Sylvanas saw it

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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I agree tbh

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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you're literally not though.

WHERE and WHEN did the Alliance start the war?

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Now. The alliance never started the war.

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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But she went around with it...

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT WE SAID

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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badly

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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AT ALL

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Genn started the first attack in Stormheim, if you mean that

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Sylvanas sees this peace as temporary.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:17 AM

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Exactly!

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:17 AM

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That the alliance

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would eventually

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attack first

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She wouldn't let that happen. So she stepped in and attacked first.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:17 AM

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Sylvanas started the Battle for Gilneas

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:17 AM

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the war was inevitable, it was all up t-

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You see what you're doing now

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:17 AM

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-under orders of Garrosh-

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Guys, we can always blame someone earlier e.e

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No point in this

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:17 AM

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you're spouting irrelevant tripe as we try to explain the current situation and the reasons behind everything,

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:17 AM

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When Kham and Des agree in something

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It's kinda a jewel to see

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:18 AM

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pretty much the entire reason Genn hates her with every ounce of his soul is because of Gilneas

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 2:18 AM

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I dont think anyone is saying the Alliance started the Blood War, but Sylvanas had sensible points for wanting to stop fighting before it ever started.

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:19 AM

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^^

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 2:19 AM

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her actions DURING that attempt are questionable, but her reasons are sound.

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:19 AM

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Absolutely none of us are saying that.

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:19 AM

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^^^

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:19 AM

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but Mak was explaining why hSylvanas made the first move

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:19 AM

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i didn't say that either

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:19 AM

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and Arson is currently twisting it

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:19 AM

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omfg

jovial skiff Nov 6, 2018, 2:19 AM

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burning the big tree was certainly arson though lets be real

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:20 AM

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We told you why Sylvanas made the first move.

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that's it.

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She believed the peace wouldn't last and that the alliance would strike first, so she would make the first move.

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rather than hand it to her enemies

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:20 AM

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she did it because "the alliance would do the exact same thing that we've been doing for ages"

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that's some shaky reasoning

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:20 AM

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Sylvanas had a reason to think that

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:20 AM

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She's also a heavily decorated general.

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She has absolutely every reason to treat this peace as nothing more than a tactic in this long running war

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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Do you forget the Stormheim intro?

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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did you forget her trying to control the Valkyr?
And Genn stopping it?

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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Someone would strike first. She would make sure it was the horde on the offensive, alliance on th-

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Oh my gfucking god

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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Intro

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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You keep doing this

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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You donut

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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Stop it

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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INTRO

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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it's irrelevant

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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you keep walking into it

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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it's 100% irrelevant

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We don't

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you keep twisting

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and forcing it

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to be something it's not

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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HELP ME UNDERSTAND and quit being fucking vague

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:22 AM

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WE'RE NOT BEING VAGUE

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:22 AM

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how is the reasoning sound for the alliance
what part of stormheim intro are you talking about

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:22 AM

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You have 2 of the lore worms here explaining to you

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:22 AM

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SYLVANAS, FORMER RANGER-GENERAL OF QUEL'THALAS AND CURRENT WAR LEADE\R OF THE HORDE BELIEVES THAT THE PEACE WITH THE ALLIANCE, IF ONE WAS EVER REACHED, WOULD NOT LAST AND WOULD BE USED BY THE ALLIANCE TO HAVE A PREMPTIVE STRIKE ONTO THE HORDE

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:22 AM

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doesn't help when you're both being assholes

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 2:22 AM

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Sylvanas is talking about the Horde while she is in charge. She did not have control over the horde attacking the Alliance when Guldan, or Orgrim, or Thrall, or Garrosh, or Voljin was warchief

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:22 AM

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The introduction

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into

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 2:22 AM

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she has control now

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:22 AM

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stormhiem

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there is literally

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only 1

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Genn attacks the Horde fleet

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that is the intro

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there is only 1

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the OUTRO

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:23 AM

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And we lose the Skyfire

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That intro

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:23 AM

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when you're DONE WITH THE STORY

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is genn and sylvanas squaring off at the val'kyr

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You are absolutely trying to twist it

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and feigning ignorance

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or placing blame on me and Mak

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isn't helping you

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:24 AM

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i'm not trying to twist anything.

but go ahead and ignore my questions, yet again

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and alright, she's afraid the Alliance would attack

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but

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:24 AM

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insert wot in tarnation meme

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:24 AM

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There is no buts about it

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:24 AM

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wat

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what other but is there?

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:24 AM

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there are always buts

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the irony is that the horde attacked

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:25 AM

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she has ever reason to think the alliance, a larger military power than th horde, would attack.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:25 AM

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again

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:25 AM

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Hell it's even justified in her thinking

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because in Before the Storm

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:25 AM

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Even SAURFANG supported the war(ya know, up until the tree)

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:25 AM

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First strike is the most important

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:25 AM

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the alliance is caught by horde spies and assassins

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for an Azerite war machine

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that right there proved to Sylvanas that yes.

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the alliance would use this peace to prepare a strike.

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She would strike first

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she has EVERY reason to believe this way of thinking. She is warchief, she is a highly decorated general and war hero of multiple conflicts across azeroth and beyond

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:26 AM

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She knows what war is

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:26 AM

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there is no other buts.

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 2:27 AM

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and the alliance threatened on her life like start of first expansion

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when the actual end of the world was happening

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:28 AM

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Pretty sure the Horde started it at Silithus anyways.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:28 AM

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the alliance is caught by horde spies and assassins

What Alliance? Who? Also, assassins? Ok.

Alliance threatened her life

When? What is the exact quote?

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 2:28 AM

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the alliance attacked first in silithus

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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Uh?

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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See arson.

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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No?

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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You know nothing

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and keep asking what you already know

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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Did you not read the book?

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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you refuse to actually connect your own dots and want us to do it for you

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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i haven't had a chance to read the book

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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The Explorer’s League was in the area researching the Wound. Goblins showed up and killed all of them except a few.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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and thanks for being an asshole, des

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what a fucking surprise

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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That was BEFORE SI:7

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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We've told you five separate times

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why Sylvanas

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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lrn2read

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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has been threatened by the alliance

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All of them are the same answer

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Stormhiems introduction

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Genn attacks the horde fleet

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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the explorers league was sent when anduin was in ironforge

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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"ALLIANCE WOULD HAVE ATTACKED FIRST"

I get it

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fuck off with that i know nothing

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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That's not even what I am saying

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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Attacked the Horde with good reason*

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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You do know nothing

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or you sure as fuck act like it

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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i'm not even talking about that vris

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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That's not what Im talking about either. But you keep asking questions that have been answered

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either you're not reading

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you're pretending

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or your stupid.

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I really doubt it's that last one

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:31 AM

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you're not talking about this because you're too busy insulting me

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:31 AM

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and now you're twisting it

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pretending it is

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:31 AM

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oh, you're not insulting me?

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right.

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:33 AM

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The point of Sylvanas is valid though

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About the leaders that arent Anduin

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Varian had her on his sights for a long time

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 2:35 AM

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how is she going to think that the alliance wont attack first when genn tried to kill her in the actual end of the world

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:36 AM

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the "actual end of the world" bit is a bit hyperbole

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:36 AM

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Ze legion invasion

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:36 AM

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Can't wait to kill Sylvanas and all the people defending her; they really screwed her over with the writing team

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:36 AM

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they didn't

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what

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This is literally what Sylvanas has been since day 1 in WC3

tranquil steeple Nov 6, 2018, 2:36 AM

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oh no, one of those are here

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:37 AM

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A backstabbing, manipulative, she-elf who is more concerned with gaining more power than anything else.

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If anything, they've improved her character by making her care about things not herself.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:37 AM

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she's only manipulative because her underlings are fucking dumb

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:37 AM

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Sylvanas truly has not changed at all

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I don't get why people are pissed at this

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She has always been this person

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:37 AM

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The problem is theres been little to no character development for her over the years.

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All she's been has been a mustache twirling schemeing villain

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:38 AM

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What

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Its sad

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:38 AM

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no?

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Wotlk

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Cata

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Mop

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Absolutely everything you just said is furiously incorrect

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and very ignorant

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 2:38 AM

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she has changed, since cataclysm she has developed a notable desire to save the people under her from the hell she saw

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:38 AM

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No, no it's not

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Yes it is

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You literally ignored everything that happened in 3 expansions

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concerning her

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Oh, well. Ya, I suppose she has become a little more...

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Emotional?

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Overall she's stayed the same and anything that developed in each expansions release basically starts over.

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Maybe not the best word

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 2:38 AM

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my only complaint is they keep using the "arrows in a quiver" line in BfA, when she was supposed to stop thinking like that

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the whole point of her "arrows in a quiver" line in Edge of Night is that they no longer were that

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:39 AM

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A leader totally calls her out on that line in 8.1 don't they?

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Or at least they say it to themselves

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 2:39 AM

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presumably garona, talking to the player

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Someone mentions her saying it

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I felt like Vereesa or Alleria said that line once too

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Or am I dreaming

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:40 AM

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Did they say that in the comic?

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:40 AM

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She changed a lot from wotlk to cata after dying

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:40 AM

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I can't recall.

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:41 AM

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Rather than just using forsaken without a heart

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She started to care for them as her people

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 2:41 AM

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Im not sure if it was used exactly like that, but Alleria had that ideology quite a bit before her relationship with Turalyon progressed

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:41 AM

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Mmm, yeah

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:41 AM

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Fucking windrunners man

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:41 AM

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Theyre all insane

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:41 AM

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^

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:41 AM

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But I don't want Sylvanas to die still e.e

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:42 AM

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They like human dic

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:42 AM

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She needs to go

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:42 AM

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I think she will go off on her own to be honest.

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:42 AM

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Probably.

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:42 AM

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the sylvanas bandwagon hate is astounding to me

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like.

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I didn't think this much bandwagon hate was possible

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:42 AM

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Maybe she can hitch a ride with Illidan

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:43 AM

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well, eventually she will, because every warchief for 3 expacs before BfA has died

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at least, if Bliz repeats what they've done she will

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Des, it's literally me, and two others in this chat who don't like Sylvanas to certain degrees, stop blowing it out of proportion :3

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:43 AM

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What has this server become. I have to defend and validate the faction I fucking despise.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:43 AM

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man

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:43 AM

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Oh go suck a murloc dic

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:43 AM

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With the ever declining ability to write on Blizzards part, you're probably right Murderous

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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i hate her because

Gilneas
Stormheim
Lordaeron
Teldrassil
etc

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Why are you even here if you think that

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jump off the ship and swim towards better waters

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Nah, I'm in for the long haul

jovial skiff Nov 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Des dont you also hate sylvanas?

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Yes

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I hate all of the horde

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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stfu then

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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I despise their very existence

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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But he has knowledge of it

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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and here I am having to defend and validate it against ignorant people

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Unlike hating it on pure ignorance

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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I dont know whats wrong Des, shes acting very aggressive, along with Makore who politely told us to go suck a murlocs dic

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Not to you all

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I told it to des

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:45 AM

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No offense but I am having a thrill about this. Des out of all people defending Sylvanas and the Horde.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:45 AM

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playing devil's advocate for something you hate is totally honest though. i love it

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:45 AM

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I was hoping for some fun convos and discussions but seems like people get way to aggressive.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:45 AM

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just goes to show he loves arguments

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:45 AM

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When you spout purely ignorant things

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yes we'll be aggressive

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:46 AM

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It's not though

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:46 AM

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it is though

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:46 AM

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But we are entitiled to our opinions Des

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:46 AM

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you ignored three expansions worth of content

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we say fact

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:46 AM

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Not when you want to make them a fact and ignore the real facts

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:46 AM

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and you say "no you're wrong because I feel differently about it"

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:46 AM

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to clarify, what the fuck are ya'll talking about

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

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I said that Sylvanas really hasn't had any decent character arcs or real change, she's always been a mustache twirling villain.

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

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But she has

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

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They got super triggered and here we are

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

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Literally

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Cataclysm opens up with her having changed

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There's an entire zone dedicated to that

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

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which zone? so i can play it and prove you wrong

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

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She's talking Silverpine

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But Blizzard brushed it under the rug

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

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Silver pine forest

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

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Wrath of the Lich King ends with a short story dedicated to Sylvanas literally changing her viewpoint on her own self worth

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and you ignore it

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Everytime they do something interesting Sylvanas they forget certain parts about it to do a soft-reset on her character and things shes devleoped

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:48 AM

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No they don't

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Everything she does is to further that goal established in edge of night

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:48 AM

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oh, i remember silverpine.

the one in which she tells you what to do like a good little soldier?

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Stop the Rot.

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Save the Forsaken.

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:48 AM

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No you donut

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:48 AM

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with seemingly no empathy or understanding for your own plights

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Save her People.

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Everything she ahs done

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has been for that one goal.

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:48 AM

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And the last moment

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Attacking Gilneas, Attacking Southshore, expanding the hordes borders, taking Andorhal

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Her last words about the Valkyr being really needed for her people

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

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All to create more forsaken

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the forsaken can't reproduce, they can only be creted

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created*

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

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And she realized this in edge of the night short novel

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

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ok...
and how does creating more forsaken help the other forsaken?

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

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and the only way to create it is through death of the living.

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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Sylvanas doesnt care about the living enemies

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She sees the alliance as the perfect engine

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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she should though since she's apparently interested in making more

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make up your mind

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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She's become more and more focus with her own survival than her peoples. Which is development I agree but they could have done more, they should have done more at the end of WotLK, WotLK had wonderful development for her.

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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Except that's entirely wrong

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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And in that way she also helps the rest of the Horde to conquer

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:51 AM

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since when has she not been focused on her own survival?

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:51 AM

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the whole reason she goes to get more Val'kyr is specifically because she needs more to keep her people from rotting. She needs more to make sure her people can keep surviving and living. that's why she goes for eyir, the "mother" of all Val'kyr

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:51 AM

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Again, it's the cliched mustache twirling arch-type, she could have so much better development but Blizz just cops out on Comicbook Saturday Morning-tier villainary for her

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:51 AM

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but none of what you just said is true and is greatly twisting the facts to fit yoru narrative

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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ANd you're not Des?

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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and instead of negotiating with the valkyr, she tried to enslave them?
how good of her

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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No because I am spouting to you

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the direct

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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Because she clearly wants to be immortal and watch out for her own skin

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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hard canon

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nothing in what she says

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or does

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supports that

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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No, not really, you're manipulating to your own perspective at the story.

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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I'm not

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Im telling you the exact reasons we are given

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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literally EVERYTHING she's done supports that

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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for why she does these things

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and you are twisting them to fit your story.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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you're the one twisting

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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Okay

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Then why dont we have

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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You do realize her end-goal and dealings with Helya was for her own survival and not her peoples right?

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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A fourth and fifth opinion?

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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There is nothing proving that

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anywhere

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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She really freaked out when she saw how close she was to dying at the end of Silverpine too

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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@uncut vault , @dense plover

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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There is no hard canon to prove that her deal with Helya was for herself

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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@terse patrol

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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and not for her people

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and Nero

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Why would she freak out in Silverpine

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WHEN SHE COMMITTED SUICIDE OFF OF ICC

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:54 AM

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why tf i gettin pinged

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:54 AM

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Wasn't that when she realized she doesn't want to die because she's scared of it, and that when she did die there was nothing?

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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another opinion on this, honker

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Honker, Des is getting triggered from my opinions

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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I'll tell you why. Because in Edge of Night, which is when SHE ACTUALLY DIED she freaked out and the Val'kyr saved her

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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idk the subject

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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has Sylvanas done stuff for herself or for the forsaken

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Yes

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Nero says Sylvanas didnt have a development or something like that

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Both

tranquil steeple Nov 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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sylvanas character development/progression post wotlk, Honk

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Eh, for herself, but the Forsaken have benefited (until recently.)

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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TL;DR - Des believes everything Sylvanas is doing is for her people, I came in and said that Sylvanas has not really had any decent, or deep character archs and any that have been have been short-sighted and anything that was created is usually soft-reset

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:56 AM

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thanks, honk.
you can go now if ya want

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:56 AM

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That's not at all what you originally said

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:56 AM

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I called Sylvanas a mustache twirling villain with a decent amount fo potential and Blizzard hasn't tapped into it

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:56 AM

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here

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let me get what you actually said

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:56 AM

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Sylvanas is self centered to her core, and it seems to get worse every time she dies.

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:56 AM

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And all Sylvanas cares about is keeping her own hide alive

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THANK YOU

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Exactly

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:57 AM

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[9:38 PM] Nerokeru: All she's been has been a mustache twirling schemeing villain```

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:57 AM

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They even say each time you’re raised, you lose a bit of yourself.

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Des got relaly salty and him and Morg teamed up on me

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I did just type that out Des

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Your language was very different

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:57 AM

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No?

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:57 AM

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you made it seem like an actual opinion

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and not a fact

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 2:57 AM

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I mean, there is development. She’s growing eviler.

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Look at the dialogue you originally started with

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and then the one you told Honk.

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:58 AM

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You're twisting everything Ive said to this point to fit your own narrative and to make me the bad guy in this entire discussion because it doesn't align to your opinion

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:58 AM

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"no deep character arcs. anything new for her development got soft reset"
Des: Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:58 AM

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I'm an amateur writer. I can stop tone differences in text all the same.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:58 AM

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no, you really can't

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 2:58 AM

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Right Honk, but it's onpar with a Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain, all shes doing is trying more and more to save her own hide and become more and more evil. Thats bad development

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:59 AM

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she's the epitome of a flat villain

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 2:59 AM

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Right. believe what you want. enjoy ignoring the canon.

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 2:59 AM

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I agree with what Des is saying guys

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 2:59 AM

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why don't you go ahead and start up a forsaken character and play through silverpine and tirisfal yourself?

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 2:59 AM

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Too bad Peach isnt here

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:00 AM

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One thing they have done right and it seems Des has fallen into are the layers of development for the overall faction, which is good if it can get someone so worked up. This is such a thing as being two-faced, you can't lead people unless you try and get to their level in some way

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 3:00 AM

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I am not going to argue

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:00 AM

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Sylvanas can trick and tell sweet little lies to her undead saying its all for them, and turn around and do everything so she, herself, can stay alive

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 3:00 AM

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But you guys are so obviously ignoring things

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:01 AM

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Eh, just continue with whatever you are doing Kham, although I'm going to screenshot where you two agree

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:01 AM

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do it

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its a treasure for history

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:02 AM

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Not going to argue

ignoring things

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:02 AM

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Nvm

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:02 AM

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contradicting much

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:02 AM

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Too much to go through

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 3:02 AM

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real lore talk when wrathion getting a model change to look like a twink to hook up w/ anduin

📎 image0.jpg

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:02 AM

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All I'm saying is that for as long as Sylvanas has been in this game, they really haven't given her any good and deep development that she properly needs and, like with many other heroes from WoW, a lot of those books/mini - stories will be missed to the populace and probably to the writers as well down the line.

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Wasn't there going to be a deeper arc with Anduin and Wrathion in MoP or something?

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Actually, I hope we get to see the Isles that one Island Expedition quest hints at.

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 3:03 AM

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cant wait for anduin to be taller than wrathion in his human form

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:03 AM

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I'm pissed no one asked about the quests in the Isle expeditions

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:04 AM

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Oh, from the Q&A?

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Yeah, I was hoping we would learn more, I'm going to be salty if they don't continue those questlines in later Patches and possible other expansions.

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 3:04 AM

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It is to set up future questlines

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Because they are so running out of enemies and such

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:05 AM

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Right, I just hope they remember instead of forgetting.

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:05 AM

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wranduin could have been the perfect ship until golden killed it GWqlabsHyperRage

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:05 AM

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but anduin'sinto goats

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female goats

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before golden

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:05 AM

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I want some yuri pairings, forget Wranuin

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:05 AM

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you have plenty yuri pairings

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gives us some yaoi ones

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since blizzard only knows how to spawn lesbian relation ships

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:06 AM

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Sylvanas x Jaina OTP

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I want yuri HERO pairings

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:06 AM

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someone purge this heretic

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:06 AM

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Kek

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:06 AM

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None of these background yuri couples

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:06 AM

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Jaina x Knaifu

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:06 AM

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I mean

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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AND I WANT A GODDMAN M X M COUPLE IN WOW

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sadly

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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Lesbian ships are much m ore acceptable than Male.

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Don't know why

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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spits drink

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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we cant have everything we want

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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they're equally as cute.

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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SYLVANAS X KNAIFU?

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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^

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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My best one is Garrosh and Thrall

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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at what des said

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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Ew

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Garrosh and Thrall

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Yuck

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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Garrosh is older zo

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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yea they're two big bears.

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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WAIT, I HAVE THE PERFECT SHIP

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Female Thrall from Draeneor and JAINA

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YAASSSS

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:08 AM

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Nah

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:08 AM

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no

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:08 AM

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Yes

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:08 AM

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no what

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:08 AM

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I have the perfect ship

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Alt + f4

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:08 AM

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ah a man of culture I see

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:08 AM

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Ill do it Makore

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:08 AM

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like every possible male couple we find

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ends up being just friends

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:08 AM

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I MEAN

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:08 AM

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or companions

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:08 AM

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IF WE GO THAT WAY

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FUCKING MARCUS

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:09 AM

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or some bs like that

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:09 AM

#

Garrosh and Thrall, Thrall and Vol'jin, Vol'jin and tyhon, Marcus and everyone he meets

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well no

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Marcus is like

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omnisexual

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he fucks everything

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:09 AM

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Alleria x Jaina ftw

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or um

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:09 AM

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He fucks everything

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:09 AM

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Just turn Wraithon into a draenei woman for Anduin, make both parties happy

tranquil steeple Nov 6, 2018, 3:09 AM

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Marcus + Azeroth Kapppppa

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:09 AM

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Anduin x Khadgar but young Khadgar because his curse got broken somehow

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:09 AM

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Blizz is going to let us ship ourselves with the planet

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don't worry

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:09 AM

#

Khadgar × Modera

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:09 AM

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Des + Sylvanas

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:09 AM

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Khadgar and kalec

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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No

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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Yes

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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I actually cried when both broke

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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Vol'jin x Bwonsamdi

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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like even LoL got an M x M

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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Me x Bleach

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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and they dont have a lesbian one

#

like

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

#

Real Talk, I wouldn't mind actual romance options in WoW, I mean, we've already fallen this far. Why not let us have romance couples that give us 1hr buffs

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sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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im still amazed at that fact tbh

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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Wait where's the Male/Male pairing there?

#

also

#

Vi is a hella lesbo

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

#

Vi?

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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not confirmed

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sadly

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

#

Wait Vi?

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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Valleria?

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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She has a debounair skin

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that is all the confirmation we need

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

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Really? I didn't think she was

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

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she falls into the stereotype

tropic trail Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

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Commit despacito

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

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What makes you guys think that, Id love to hear it, Im all for yuri

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

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I have the best ship

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

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but there is no confirmation

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

#

Hold on

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

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now who's the male/male pairing in League

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

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Just hold on

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Pineapple x Pizza

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

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varus is an entity made out of 2 male lovers

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

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Someone ban Makore

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

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#no-wow-discussion is a better place to talk about League

tropic trail Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

#

#no-wow-discussion

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

#

RIGHT NOW

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

#

and a darkin

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:11 AM

#

pineapple x pizza

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heretic

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 AM

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BAN HIM

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 AM

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🍕 🍍

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 AM

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pineapple pizza is the best

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 AM

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love that sweet tender goodness

tropic trail Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 AM

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PPAP

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I have an apple

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I have a pen

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 AM

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Jesus, I'm surrounded by heretics

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 AM

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You need a pine

tropic trail Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 AM

#

unn

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 AM

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and stab the apple with it

tropic trail Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 AM

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Apple pen

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:12 AM

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voila, a pineapple

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:13 AM

#

So, as Alleria gotten any story as of late outside the Rogue Campaign in Legion?

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Err

#

Valleria

tropic trail Nov 6, 2018, 3:13 AM

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Pen pineapple apple penis

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:13 AM

#

Valeera

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:13 AM

#

erm

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:14 AM

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And ye

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:14 AM

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i'm 80% sure Valleria was with the hunters in Legion

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:14 AM

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Being a spy for the Alliance

#

....

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THE DARK HUNTER OR THE ROGUE

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:14 AM

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WAT

#

WAS IT ALLERIA

#

WAIT

#

was it rogues

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:15 AM

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Her name

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Is Valeera

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:15 AM

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o ok

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mb

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SPANK ME DADDY

tropic trail Nov 6, 2018, 3:16 AM

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Daddy?

terse patrol Nov 6, 2018, 3:16 AM

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ITS VEREESA

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Valeera Sanguinar is the Blood Elf rogue.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:17 AM

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OH

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:17 AM

#

Ah

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The High Elf

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:17 AM

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SO SHE IS WITH THE HUNTERS

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 3:17 AM

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Not a loy

#

Lot

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:17 AM

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Valeera Sanguinar is a Hunter right? happy

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:18 AM

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sad no

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:18 AM

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happy 🔫

sudden oak Nov 6, 2018, 3:19 AM

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the amount of heresy im reading makes me want to stab someone

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:20 AM

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hot

fierce crane Nov 6, 2018, 3:20 AM

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Game obviously needs more elves.

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:20 AM

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I rather have elves than more gnomes; one race of gnomes is enough.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:21 AM

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they should add more customization to all the current races first imo

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 3:21 AM

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Yeah

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:21 AM

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also PINEAPPLE PIZZA IS GOOD, heretic

fierce crane Nov 6, 2018, 3:21 AM

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Customization was never WoW's strong suit. Expecially features that end up getting hidden by armor anyway.

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Also pineapple pizza is great.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:22 AM

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yes

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naked DH ftw

fierce crane Nov 6, 2018, 3:22 AM

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There was this armor I really liked because it made the chest slot invisible.

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 3:22 AM

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Heresy.

fierce crane Nov 6, 2018, 3:22 AM

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Good for showing off cool shirts.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:23 AM

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🍍 🍕 i'll eat with Towowo then

fierce crane Nov 6, 2018, 3:23 AM

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More for us.

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:23 AM

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<3

fierce crane Nov 6, 2018, 3:23 AM

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om nom nom nom

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 3:23 AM

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nom

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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is 8.1 on ptr

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 4:44 AM

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Ye

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 4:46 AM

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ty

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 5:01 AM

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none of the realms are open on ptr):

jade basalt Nov 6, 2018, 5:57 AM

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They'll probably re-open the 11th

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 5:58 AM

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theyre not done testing tho, unless they plan to just skip all Jaina and Horde warfront testing

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 6:21 AM

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11th of november or december?

winged heron Nov 6, 2018, 7:15 AM

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everytime i come in here trying to get some decent spoiler discussion i get some brain melting hot takes from Des
noah fence just saying
also idk where he got the idea that f/f shipping is more popular than m/m
maybe confusing the number of hentai art entries with actual shippers
finally got that out of my chest whew

steel venture Nov 6, 2018, 12:40 PM

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Uh.
F/F shipping is made more frequently as eye candy so they're given a bare minimum amount of actual character. M/M shipping is treated as a joke, still.

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It's an issue most media still has.
We're technically getting more rep but it's still heavily sterotypical.

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"Oggle these HAWT lesbians, they're great."
"Laugh at these campy gay guys, they're so dumb!"

sullen dagger Nov 6, 2018, 12:44 PM

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guys

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#no-wow-discussion

strange falcon Nov 6, 2018, 4:54 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440834095279243264/509401492365508608/image0.jpg godfather snek

runic vault Nov 6, 2018, 5:03 PM

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that is god tier

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 5:09 PM

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he wants the snitties

midnight bloom Nov 6, 2018, 5:36 PM

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I started the pairing/non-canon talk last night, its still going on in here today

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Sylvanas x Jaina OTP

sullen dagger Nov 6, 2018, 6:11 PM

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No.

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Go home u drunk

dense plover Nov 6, 2018, 6:21 PM

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^

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 10:02 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20181106-155442_Chrome.jpg

dense plover Nov 6, 2018, 10:04 PM

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cool

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kul tiran mages

sullen dagger Nov 6, 2018, 10:06 PM

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ouch

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https://www.wowhead.com/news=288469/zandalari-and-kul-tiran-allied-race-classes-update

Wowhead

Zandalari and Kul Tiran Allied Race Classes Update

Blizzard has announced some errors in their original communication for what classes the Zandalari and Kul Tiran Allied Races could be. Zandalari are not able to become Warlocks while Kul Tirans are able to become mages.

stiff vector Nov 6, 2018, 10:06 PM

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cool tiran mages*

sullen dagger Nov 6, 2018, 10:07 PM

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poor zandalari no more locks

stiff vector Nov 6, 2018, 10:07 PM

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you're welcome @dense plover

dense plover Nov 6, 2018, 10:09 PM

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it was extremely likely it was a mistake

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why would they be warlocks?

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the zandalari literally have no experience with demons

frozen dust Nov 6, 2018, 10:09 PM

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https://i.gyazo.com/ac909dcb7e22a211b128a1abdf7243fb.png

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Never change, Wowhead

dense plover Nov 6, 2018, 10:10 PM

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i

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i dont even

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drustvar has casters

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not warlocks

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if anything, drustvar adds support for mages

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not warlocks

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theres no demons or twisting nether anywhere on kul tiras

frozen dust Nov 6, 2018, 10:12 PM

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No no Peach

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They're asking about druskvar

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Very different

ionic terrace Nov 6, 2018, 10:12 PM

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Druskbar

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Oh, might be a new PTR build soon, no realms error instead of just offline.

dense plover Nov 6, 2018, 10:14 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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could just be server maintenance stuff

ionic terrace Nov 6, 2018, 10:15 PM

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Very true.

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Last week was Wed right?

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Scrooge Mcsnake

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Zandalari lorewise

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Have demoniacs

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I wanted to roleplay one

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RIP

ionic terrace Nov 6, 2018, 10:17 PM

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Either way, it'll be interesting to see if we skip a build, heh

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 10:17 PM

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I mean kham

dense plover Nov 6, 2018, 10:17 PM

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im pretty sure they retconned that kham

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it has no mention in any of the new lore

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Just because it isn't mentioned doesn't mean it is retconned

jovial skiff Nov 6, 2018, 10:20 PM

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Ey richmon

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Ey de-mon

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See it fits

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 10:21 PM

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Silly saurid, ya be dead again

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Khan

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You can RP one

zinc sandal Nov 6, 2018, 10:26 PM

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Get a voidwalker pet and use the thingy that increases their size

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Win.

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 10:29 PM

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What'd they retcon?

meager warren Nov 6, 2018, 10:29 PM

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Speaking of demoniacs, that sounds more like DH than Warlock

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 10:35 PM

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it basically is, and also probably just isnt a thing in new Zandalari lore

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whereas paladins showed up not only in MoP, but in BfA multiple times

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 10:36 PM

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there's also reason to believe that demon-using zandalari were solely with Zul.

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and we're not playing as Zul's zandalari, we're playing as Rastakhan/Talanji's.

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 10:43 PM

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realistically though, I hope there is an explanation for monks

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even if its just a panda who put aside and convinced some zandalari to put aside their grievances and learn

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not PTR or spoiler related

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#no-wow-discussion

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 10:48 PM

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I dont know how aiming to new fields Is not understanding gamers anymore

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 10:49 PM

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"I hate to say it" is also funny considering he takes every chance he gets to shit on blizzard

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 10:49 PM

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"They don't get gamers"

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it's really that "We're old and they don't cater to us anymore. How rude!"

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 10:50 PM

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fails to understand that the backlash isnt primarily because its a mobile game, its because its a mobile game instead of a PC game

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would be accepted plenty if they put some other announcement alongside it

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marketing error, not design error

tawdry rover Nov 6, 2018, 10:57 PM

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I doubt there would be any uproar over it if they had done what Bethesda did and announce Diablo 4, no gameplay footage, no cinematic footage, just the title screen to let people know it's happening

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The long wait + Immortal being the only announcement, with it supposedly being a re-skin of another mobile game is what rubs the salt in the wound for long time Diablo fans

zealous basalt Nov 6, 2018, 10:59 PM

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It would happen like metroid prime 4

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Fans would be pissed because just a teaser with nothing else to say

tawdry rover Nov 6, 2018, 10:59 PM

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people on twitter crying misogynism over this comes off as silly to me, and dilutes real cases of misogynism

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Maybe. But then again you can't please everyone. I presume the majority would prefer a teaser over nothing.

dense plover Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 PM

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@zinc sandal wrong channel

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Move it pl0x

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 PM

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it's already moved off my IRC screen

dense plover Nov 6, 2018, 11:10 PM

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The fact that it clearly isn’t ptr spoilers makes me think this dude is trying to start shit

hollow dock Nov 6, 2018, 11:10 PM

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well yea.

stiff vector Nov 6, 2018, 11:16 PM

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new build soonish

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 11:16 PM

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📎 w7o74vt8kkw11.png

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Someone posted this on another discord

ionic terrace Nov 6, 2018, 11:22 PM

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Told ya peach

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😉

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Thank you Shaggy Bird.

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 11:24 PM

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heres hoping it puts servers up 😄

tulip sun Nov 6, 2018, 11:25 PM

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NEW BUILD?!

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How big

ionic terrace Nov 6, 2018, 11:26 PM

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Not pushed yet.

stiff vector Nov 6, 2018, 11:46 PM

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new PTR build will likely be a max of 1.5GB big

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could be smaller too

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its out

ionic terrace Nov 6, 2018, 11:52 PM

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1.02 gb

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Darkshore WF loading screen pog

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I assume

uncut vault Nov 6, 2018, 11:58 PM

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heres hoping the dark ranger bow gets a player item this build

ionic terrace Nov 7, 2018, 12:00 AM

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Treasure dude in the raid has been renamed to Opulence

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Jaina mount is in

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Untextured though

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📎 unknown.png

tulip sun Nov 7, 2018, 12:03 AM

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Ooooo

ionic terrace Nov 7, 2018, 12:03 AM

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Did Shandris have click quotes before?

tulip sun Nov 7, 2018, 12:03 AM

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Uhhhh

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Don't know

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:04 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/69ccf399baef414199180776beff71fb.png

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dorithur human form confirmed

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:04 AM

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she got a brand new voice lines a while ago

tulip sun Nov 7, 2018, 12:04 AM

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I hope this build has something juicy

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:04 AM

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sandwalker vakaara quest is up

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going to check it out

tulip sun Nov 7, 2018, 12:05 AM

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Voldun incursion is UpMama

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Oh my

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:05 AM

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check out for the sethrak captive we showed a few

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:05 AM

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will need to find it first

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:05 AM

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yeah

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:05 AM

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if its up this time round

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:05 AM

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you right lol

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:05 AM

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world quest for it might not be active

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:05 AM

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sorry got excited about it

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:05 AM

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wait I thought the owl was just a sentinel owl

tulip sun Nov 7, 2018, 12:05 AM

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It is

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Tyrande owl

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:05 AM

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like tyrande uses in uh. whatchamecall it

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HOTS

tulip sun Nov 7, 2018, 12:05 AM

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Companion

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:06 AM

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it is

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was a joke

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:06 AM

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Oh.

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:06 AM

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its Dorithur, druid face just has the same expression

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:06 AM

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Also REEEE no night warrior elves

tulip sun Nov 7, 2018, 12:06 AM

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Porter keep us updated :P

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:08 AM

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so yeah, the datamined one is her actual text, player character works alongside the shaman and mages shackling vulpera

ionic terrace Nov 7, 2018, 12:08 AM

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Darkshore WF quest gives 400 gear

stiff vector Nov 7, 2018, 12:08 AM

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hey cutie xx

📎 chrome_2018-11-07_01-05-37-0z7x435K.png

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runs on azerite

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:09 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/6014b2efd30657bb0ecd91433971fc9c.jpg

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I guess its more morally grey now?

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:09 AM

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I mean.

ionic terrace Nov 7, 2018, 12:09 AM

#

The exp potion is 10 commendations each

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:09 AM

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Horde is lied to in Dazar

ionic terrace Nov 7, 2018, 12:10 AM

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the WF commendations

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:10 AM

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Horde sees Tyrande using void magic and not moon magic.

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I'mhonestly thinking they're just makign the alliance bad to the horde only

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:10 AM

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Well, its the alliance hero helping warlocks and mages burn vulpera

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:11 AM

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I thought the alliance hero was using firebombs to Scare them away

zealous basalt Nov 7, 2018, 12:11 AM

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Om

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:11 AM

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not purposefully try to kill them

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which is what the horde is shown

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as that is what you reported, Port 🤔

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:11 AM

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tyrande doesnt use void tho? she has one spell

tulip sun Nov 7, 2018, 12:11 AM

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Biased views. Each side sees something a certain way

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:11 AM

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The horde sees her using void magic, according to port.

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:11 AM

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then she uses starfall for the forsaken and a full moon for the valkyr

tulip sun Nov 7, 2018, 12:11 AM

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It is stupid

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:11 AM

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Not moon.

tulip sun Nov 7, 2018, 12:11 AM

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But it is what it is

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 AM

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we scare them away from their goods, warlocks continue to kill them while theyre frightened

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 AM

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yeah but what is wrong with her using both?

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 AM

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uh. Void is pretty bad?

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 AM

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They scream for Nisha as they flee

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 AM

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This is elune we'retalking about here. Elune using void?

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 AM

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its jsut another force? and night elfs have used shadiw

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yeah?

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 AM

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A goddessoflight using void?

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 AM

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or do you think they become invisible ?

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shadowmeld come from eluen

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 AM

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Yes they legitimately become invisible

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 AM

#

all of maiev powers come from elune

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:12 AM

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they don't use shadowmagic in that

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:13 AM

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we see the sisters of the moon use light and shadow

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:13 AM

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Where do we see any Elune priestess use shadow

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:13 AM

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elune can be both, she is both

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:13 AM

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https://i.gyazo.com/2dd4d4e394120ce27fb073325f34b7ff.jpg

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:13 AM

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the raid fight in tomb of sargeras?

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:13 AM

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Outside of cataclysm's dungeon

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those are dead priests...

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ofc they'll use shadow

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:13 AM

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where the whole fight is about the duality of shadow and light

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:13 AM

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they're in the shadowlands

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and no

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that fight is arcane and light

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not shadow and light

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:13 AM

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yet light comes easly for them ? lol elune has both and is no problem

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its shadow damage they deal in the dark side lol

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:14 AM

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No/ it's arcane damage.

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and again

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:14 AM

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yeah whatever, i dont see the problem with tyrande using both, it makes sense, it doesnt go agaist anything when elune has shown shadow abilities

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:14 AM

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The alliance sees no void magic

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the horde does

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@uncut vault That is what you had reported yes?

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:15 AM

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they also see tyrande using a full moon, a light thing, on the valkyr

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:15 AM

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Yes

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:15 AM

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also moon fire and starfall

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:15 AM

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and NO OTHER SHADOW MAGIC

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but the HORDE SEES SHADOW MAGIC

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:15 AM

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Yes, only horde sees the void magic spells

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:15 AM

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she uses both, what is the problem when the moon is black

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:15 AM

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jesus christ

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:15 AM

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and what is the problem?

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:15 AM

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She doesn't use both on the alliance side

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Why are you not comprehending this

uncut vault Nov 7, 2018, 12:15 AM

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tyrande only uses vanilla starfall on the Alliance version of the night warrior quests

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:16 AM

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perhaps incomplete? but i dont see the issue when the moon goes black and elune has always had shadow elements

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:16 AM

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The whole thing I was trying to make was that I do not think the horde is getting the full picture.

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or the alliance is being misled

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In which if Tyrande is going to fall to the void now

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because she's a void user

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wouldn't that mean the night elf people would fall to the void as well?

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That' skinda what void does. consume you and drive you into insanity, unless taught how to resist the whispers that accompany it's magic.

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:17 AM

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what?

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:17 AM

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Your lack of understanding how these magics work concerns me greatly

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:17 AM

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you are literaly taking a cool new ability that showcasses the changes in tyrande

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into her sucking old god dick, people have used shadow magic, night elfs have used shadow magic

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:18 AM

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I never once

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NEVER ONCE

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:18 AM

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her using it is no big deal

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:18 AM

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said that

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stop

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it

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The VOID ELVES can fall TO THE VOID ITSELF.

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the VOID itself

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has WHISPERS

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:18 AM

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"That' skinda what void does. consume you and drive you into insanity, unless taught how to resist the whispers that accompany it's magic."
she uses a spell called dark side of the moon and is now using void

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:18 AM

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like the Old gods do

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using VOID MAGIC calls these whispers to you

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that's what the VOID ELVES have to fight already

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:18 AM

#

yet its from elune, elune has given shadow powers before we have proff of shadow magic, the moon is now black

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its simply another facet of her

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:19 AM

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EXCEPT THAT WOULD MEAN ELUNE IS INSIDE THE VOID ITSELF OR FROM THE VOID

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which means THE WHISPERS WOULD STILL COME

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Do you not comprehend how Void works?

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:19 AM

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no im saying elune is something else entirely

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that does both

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:19 AM

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Except that using void magic

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calls

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the

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void

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:19 AM

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why is it so hard to understand?

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:19 AM

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how do you not understand that

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there is no living priestess of elune that has used shadow

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:20 AM

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no she is using shadow magic from elune, only because it used void orbs doenst mean its the void, they are using those assets again

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:20 AM

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if anything

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:20 AM

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MAIEV

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:20 AM

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her light removes shadow

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:20 AM

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all of them

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:20 AM

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except they don't. They're her training as a warden.

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:20 AM

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yeah you are twisting facts and not talking about elune

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she was

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a priestess

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:20 AM

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turned into a warden.

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:20 AM

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all of her powers come from faith to elune

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alll of them

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:21 AM

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Absolutely no abilities she uses come from elune

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:21 AM

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yes they do.

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all of them

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:21 AM

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Fan of Knives is not blessedfromelune

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:21 AM

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the avatar of vengence

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tha shadow thingie

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is

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:21 AM

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is not from eluneeither

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:21 AM

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it is

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:21 AM

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have you ever actually bothered to look up what lore we have on the avatars?

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:21 AM

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you go to the island of the wardens

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and they speak of how their faith on elune powers them

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:22 AM

#


Avatars of vengeance are rarely encountered naturally, nor are they summoned. They are born of a terrible wrong or bitter emotional state. When an individual seeks vengeance with all of their will, they may inadvertently bring to life an avatar of vengeance. The spirit has a will of its own — even if the individual who created it remits their hate. The spirit does not stop until it claims vengeance upon the perpetrator of the act that caused its creation.[2]```

The only lore we have on Avatars of vengence

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we have no other to go off of right now

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:22 AM

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you ae making it seem like its the end of the world that she has one spell that is shadow, when elune dual nature is normal and is now being explored. she isnt calling to the void, she is calling to elune and a difrent facct of her, that is similar to elune

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that is the rts books sweetie

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the same thing you so amazingly said were not cannon?

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:23 AM

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Yes I am well aware of it. And that is the only lore we have about it.

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there is NO OTHER LORE ABOUT IT THAT EXISTS

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and even THAT doesn't state it's from elune

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so where is your proof that they're from elune

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:23 AM

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we know their powers come from elune, go to the isle of the wardens a collect the various books about warden training

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:24 AM

#

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Warden#History Odd

Wowpedia

Warden

The mysterious wardens serve as the night elves' special police force in Kalimdor. They are elite members of the Watchers, the jailors and marshalls of night elf society, to the point that the highest rank that can be bestowed on a Watcher is the one of warden. Set apart from...

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nothing is mentioned here

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Now

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the WHOLE POINT BEING MISSED

stiff vector Nov 7, 2018, 12:24 AM

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is des at it again

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:24 AM

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I do believe either the horde is being lied to.

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or the alliance is being lied to.

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:25 AM

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basicaly lol

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:25 AM

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Why else would two different scenarios happen on the same event?

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:25 AM

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saying tyrande using powers from elune that are shadow is her being corrupted by the void

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:25 AM

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Not at all what I said

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:25 AM

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so do i ask you, where do warden powers come from

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yeah you did

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:25 AM

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No I didn't

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I said her using VOID is being corrupted BY THE VOID

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because that's WHAT THE VOID DOES

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and you'l ignore it.

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Why do I bother

worn sand Nov 7, 2018, 12:26 AM

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TAHT JAINA MOUNT

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rooPog

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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:26 AM

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if not from elune? in the isle of the watchers one of the wardens says that its their faith that guides them and taht its their power in elune that brings them their abilities

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:26 AM

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and yet there's nothing being noted down anywhere to backup that claim. I'm looking for these books on Wowhead now, can you give me the names of these items?

worn sand Nov 7, 2018, 12:27 AM

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrXAk7cWsAEzdyc.jpg:large

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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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THIS SHOULD BE A GLYPH

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AND A MOUNT

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:29 AM

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it does say in the illidan novel

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that all of wardens powers come from elune, her blink, all of it

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Maiev drew on the light of Elune and used her power to blink, vanishing from where she lay."
-Illidan, page 300.

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@hollow dock

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😃

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:30 AM

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Alright. thank you for providing someproof.

meager zodiac Nov 7, 2018, 12:30 AM

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see now you should return to reading your bootleg chronicles

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:30 AM

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She can bli-

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Alright.

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I see how it is.

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No longer going to interact with that person.

grizzled sleet Nov 7, 2018, 12:31 AM

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5th ring is available in PTR

zealous basalt Nov 7, 2018, 12:31 AM

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Can see?

hollow dock Nov 7, 2018, 12:32 AM

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can see what?

zealous basalt Nov 7, 2018, 12:32 AM

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The 5th ring