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zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 3:54 AM

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For those saying that would unsub if they were a thing I still see them in the game xD

jade basalt Nov 4, 2018, 3:54 AM

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Shame we're not getting this in Darkshore https://s3.amazonaws.com/prod-media.gameinformer.com/2018/11/01/47e96a42/13_Chimaera_PressVersion.jpeg

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from WC3: Reforged

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 3:55 AM

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No but I want dragons

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slams hands

tulip sun Nov 4, 2018, 3:55 AM

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Junker gnomes look pretty badass

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 3:55 AM

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Why you didnt ask, quiet

tulip sun Nov 4, 2018, 3:55 AM

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I like em

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 3:55 AM

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I am calling it

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Mekkatorque will become a junker gnome

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@uncut vault Will you do a mekkagnome?

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Although you know what would be cool too, Kham?

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Having that mecha option for other races

tulip sun Nov 4, 2018, 4:00 AM

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Hm.
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Perhaps goblins, but no others

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 4:00 AM

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aw come on

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We had galactic stuff b4

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y can't we go a lil steampunk

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 4:01 AM

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Steampunk isnt just makeshift cybernetics

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 4:01 AM

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Then how do you consider it

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 4:02 AM

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Steampunk would be everything is like the steam tank we have in WoW. The gunships are essentially blimps of metal, the guns let off huge steams etc

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 4:03 AM

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So Cybernetics

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?

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 4:07 AM

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On my main gnome, no, but I’ve got a hunter alt that will totally use them

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Unless there’s incremental options, like just a hand

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 4:08 AM

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Think they are going to be customization options?

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I hope they are

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The gnomeregan heritage set ´that

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+*

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equals oof

jade basalt Nov 4, 2018, 4:09 AM

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There's a chance.. after all they are helped by both gnomes and goblins so it'd be weird if they joined the Alliance. (But then again, Nightborne..) Ion also said goblins too will get cool stuff from all the gnomish/titan tech.

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 4:09 AM

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new gobbos with mecha tech

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I really hope they aren't an allied race

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mostly because i have a gnome at max

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 4:14 AM

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Well, even if they are a separate thing, I’d love if goblins and gnomes got a “jewelry” option for little mechanical parts

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Like replacing a hand or an eye

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Show a bit of mechanical integration without going full junker/mecha gnome

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 4:15 AM

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ye

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We just gotta ask and perhaps provide feedback when they are available in ptr

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wait a second

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Odyn forced Val'kyrs?

jade basalt Nov 4, 2018, 4:21 AM

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At first, yes. I mean it was a scary concept.

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Then the vrykul eventually saw that it was pretty cool to get eternal lives and immense power over life and death and to hang out in literal Paradise and stuff, and it kind of became a huge deal and a life-long goal

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 4:25 AM

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ohh

terse patrol Nov 4, 2018, 4:54 AM

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whys it ok for alliance players to get joked on all the time but not horde players ffs

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 4:56 AM

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What you don’t like having gnomes constantly get directly mocked by devs?

terse patrol Nov 4, 2018, 4:57 AM

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It’s like 2005 all over again.

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Gnomes were making headway out of the joke race category the last two expacs.

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 5:03 AM

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So any content that is tied to gnome is just a joke?

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 5:04 AM

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more or less

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if not intentionally, i'll still take it as such for the most part

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 5:05 AM

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...wow, I'm speechless

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 5:05 AM

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ok

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 5:06 AM

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Mak, the gnomes and goblins end up being the joke race.

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the punching bag when it comes to espionage

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 5:07 AM

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You know, that's kinda bs thoughts coming from you all, Mechagon is probably an interesting area

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But is a joke content because goblins and gnomes, is that what you mean?

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 5:08 AM

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pfft

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"bs thoughts"

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Like I said, even if its not intended as a joke i'll likely take it as such

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 5:08 AM

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You do misunderstand us.

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We don't believe Mechagon will be a joke.

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or anything like that.

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What we believe is that the actual gnome and goblin interactions will be.

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Mechagon itself, as the area and dungeon, can be great and epic

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but the story we'll get out of it

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 5:09 AM

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Also mechagon being "cybergnomes, goblins, and a bunch of robots" leads it to be somewhat unserious for me
robot enemies are often pitiful in most games

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 5:09 AM

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will most likely be a joke

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that is what gnomes are made for in WoW.

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there has not been a single serious gnome or goblin questline in WoW.

north storm Nov 4, 2018, 5:09 AM

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Cogtimus Prime and the Autognomes will try to defeat the evil forces of Mechagon

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 5:10 AM

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...I am speechless once more

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 5:10 AM

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I believe it!

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 5:10 AM

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Please make me wrong here.

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 5:10 AM

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Oh no, you can be all right, but I, and some more people dont consider, at least gnomes, as jokes

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 5:11 AM

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and that's fine

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but that' show blizzard treats them

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 5:11 AM

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And what if we have an epic story and you all swallow on your own words?

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 5:11 AM

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You don't have to. Blizzard does. We will assume that's how blizzard will treat it

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then we do just that

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eat our words

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and enjoy

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 5:13 AM

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I honestly hope that's the case

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 5:13 AM

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the bits they showed of mechaland reminded me a lot of Nier: Automata
So, if they were going for that on purpose, it could be joke enemies and stuff with serious plot

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The default robot enemies in Nier are little walking memes

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 5:13 AM

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Which IMO stil ruin the mood.

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 5:14 AM

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Maybe?
If it's literally "Nier: Automata: Cybergnomes" It will be meh at best

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 5:14 AM

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I never liked Nier Automata

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so. Never played it.

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just know there was some sexy robot in high heels

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 5:14 AM

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As far as robot enemies go
are they going for Battledroids or terminators?

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 5:14 AM

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That's the selling point

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 5:15 AM

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Nier is good tbh, loved it
gameplay is good
of course robutt
and also the writing was pretty good, if a bit hamfisted with philosophy references

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 5:16 AM

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Dunno. I do play darksouls and things like that and it just always looked like a weeb souls game that just did the silly characters for you.

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 5:17 AM

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I wouldnt call it a souls-like game

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Anyways, my last real thoughts on Mechadong right now are that I hope they dont take the Halo 5 approach and have the robots just teleport all over the moment you shoot them

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 5:18 AM

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(that was halo 4 as well)

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but yea. If they want it to be serious, make it serious. they can make serious in this game, as many times as they don't want to make you think they can.

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 5:20 AM

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Halo 4 had more bullet sponge, usually the enemies teleported into you rather than around corners
and yeah, the whole "Burn the tree! Elf Genocide NOW!" is rather serious, and portayed seriously in game
most of the stuff about Death Knights always feels serious to me, and whenever I think about their situation it seems impossibly depressing

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 5:21 AM

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They can do serious. They can do silly. They can do a mix of both. They can do one or the other.

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So I really hope they just pick one. Delve into it

fierce crane Nov 4, 2018, 5:47 AM

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If it involves gnomes or goblins it's almost always played for laughs.

languid yoke Nov 4, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Aw no real focus on worgen (and goblin) questions in the last qna except for the glowy eyes on females, but I guess I'll take it. Just hoping blizz doesnt forget to give male worgen the same eye options.

Also straight-backed worgen.

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 7:56 AM

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dont expect focus for a while

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theyre half a year and four patch cycles away

languid yoke Nov 4, 2018, 8:00 AM

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Well could have used the new announcement to ask at least a few questions about them while they are in development, unlike undeads

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 8:20 AM

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they did

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they asked the question people wanted answered about eyes

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 9:03 AM

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https://66.media.tumblr.com/64187efbe096a848d1820b2250ab9ef7/tumblr_phnnobLvIf1r05hdo_540.jpg

native kestrel Nov 4, 2018, 11:19 AM

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Well that didn't take long to become a joke...

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 6:51 PM

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So Horde will get two separate questlines that will both be important and matter

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Meanwhile the Alliance...Watches, I guess?

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"Let them fight."

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Alliance has their own story. They aren’t have an internal power struggle

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Two stories make sense for the horde. Forcing that on the alliance will lead to bad story telling

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More doesn’t mean better

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 6:56 PM

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What I mean is that the Horde gets two (Three if the third option really really matters) separate storylines that will both be followed with the same type of focus. Meanwhile Alliance story...

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Is getting better

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Darkshore had been heavily repaired to be much less shit

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 6:57 PM

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I mean. The night elves are still getting slaughtered. So that's better I guess.

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Alliance don’t even have an equivalent to the Saurfang questline in 8.1

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Pretty much this

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 6:57 PM

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As I said

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 6:57 PM

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There is no leader struggle in the alliance. Everyone is unified

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Did they ever make the horde side of Darkshore matter in the end? Like, showing off the army of the dark moon and junk.

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Muh cinematic

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But in 8.2 "Night Elves lost Darkshore."

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 6:58 PM

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We don’t know that

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 6:58 PM

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"Nathanos unleashed the Blight" "Sylvanas used a never seen tactic."

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Where are you getting this?

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 6:58 PM

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what we do know is that blizz wants Kalmindor to go to the horde and EK for the alliance.

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So.

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Assuming nothings changed

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 6:58 PM

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I just feel the Alliance doesn't have the spotlight in this expansion, or it barely has at times. Few things have actually made me feel any kind of faction pride

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 6:59 PM

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What exactly do you want?

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 6:59 PM

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they kinda just said

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to feel pride for their faction.

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 6:59 PM

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But like, specifically

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If you could write the story

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 6:59 PM

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I mean, the Alliance did won Arathi (Apparently?) if we assume Shaw is telling the truth

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 6:59 PM

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I'd write that the night elves are on the brink of leaving.

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they've litearlly gotten no help, benefited nothing, and are constantly losing to a horde they had under their heel once upon a time.

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:01 PM

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I just want FOCUS on my faction. To feel that I am actually do something.

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Then show alliance unity in the darkshore invasion and start up the warfront in that way.

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:01 PM

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I would write that the Alliance is split between "Let's genocide the Horde" and "Let's bring them to justice."

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:01 PM

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hell evenmake it that the darkshore invasion to help is why the Dazar'alor invasion flops really hard

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:02 PM

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(If I had to split the Alliance, that is)

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:02 PM

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the horde didn't have to respond to darkshore, it went to the zandalari. The alliance had to help it's allies and weaken it.

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:02 PM

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But my biggest complain is that the Alliance, the faction I am supossed to feel proud of, is always reactive and a victim of the Horde

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:02 PM

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Thus further solidifying that the horde is willing todo anything to win, while the alliance isn't. You get a sense of pride from the alliance in that way as the noble people the alliance are supposed to be.

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:03 PM

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The fact that Anduin just straight up says "I can't stop her." Makes me feel like I am the weak faction here

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:03 PM

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Anything on that @dense plover

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:03 PM

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Like the Alliance cant ever hope to stand to an unified Horde

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:04 PM

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hmmmm

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Teldrassil was a slaughter meanwhile Lordaeron was an actual battle and barely a victory for the Alliance

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Hell, to take it a few steps further to keep the alliance on it's toes

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you can make this one decision to split up the forces impact leadership

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:04 PM

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i like the direction Des, but I think if they want the night elves to really become important, they should honestly go rogue for a bit

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just fully ignore anduin

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maybe push into ashenvale

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:04 PM

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making people like Genn and Shaw furious because the war could have ended

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:05 PM

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send some soldiers down to feralas and also push up through the barrens

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:05 PM

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thus you have a purely organic feel to legitimate infighting for the alliance.

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:05 PM

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I don't really like the idea of a "Proud, dignified Alliance."

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:05 PM

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thats what theyve always been

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theyre the opposite of the horde

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thats the point

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:05 PM

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The Alliance has been kicked like a puppy since the beggining of the expansion

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:05 PM

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but sadly

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we can't get this treatment.

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That's saved for the horde.

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Where is their rage? Where is their retributive justice?

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:06 PM

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theyre doing better with darkshore

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Peach

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:06 PM

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varian was the retribution king

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:06 PM

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doing "better" doesn't fix the issue

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:06 PM

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they cant go back and change things

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Varian wasn't retribution

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Maybe before MoP he was

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:06 PM

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going forward, ideally we see the alliance go on the offense

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maybe push into the barrens or silvermoon/ghostlands

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:06 PM

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but it was pretty clear that him saving Garrosh's life was him changing his life.

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But we won't peach. that's what we're pointing out

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this right here. this patch for darkshore

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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we dont know what happens after darkshore tho

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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it's the perfect time for alliance to go on the offensive

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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we dont know who wins or loses

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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the warfront happens peach

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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we dont know the next warfront

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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the warfront happens

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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but we dont know who wins

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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that's what happens after the scenario

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the win won't give us pride peach

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you're trying to dodge

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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no, but pushing towards ogrimmar might

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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andmove the subject away from what we keep telling you

dense plover Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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having a war campaign about pushing the horde out of ashenvale?

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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THAT STILL DOESN'T FIX THE PRIMARY ISSUE

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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Where is their rage? Where is their retributive justice?

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This is a war that is not just ideological but an actual battle for survival , the Horde doesn't want to beat the Alliance into submission, the Horde wants to erradicate the Alliance and it's people

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I want them to see step down to their level.

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Umbric did some cool things but I want to see more

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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JESUS CHRIST IS THIS WHAT I AMLIKE?!

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 7:08 PM

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Listen, I can solve the problem easy quick fast in a hurry
Azerite superweapons

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:08 PM

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If you want to give Anduin a conflict with his ideals make it so he can barely control the genocidal urge of his Alliance. Genn wants total annhilation, Tyrande wants carnage, Moira is onboard too

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:08 PM

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Oi vey.. Darkshore doesn't give us alliance pride.

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It should, it tells us we have it.

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but we don't.

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It doesn't make us care about winning.

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But itdoesforthehorde

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:09 PM

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But as of now his conflict is "The Horde is whooping our ass...Daddy Saurfang can you help us?"

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Then they tell us in 8.1 that the Alliance is winning in every front, and it feels cheap

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Because those are victories we never feel

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:10 PM

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It doesn't feel genuine

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it feels, dare I say, as I said last night

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Disengenuous

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:11 PM

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It just doesn't make sense at all. That's not the story they are telling us, they are basically telling us that in an effort so we feel comparable tot he Horde.

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Now I DO believe Darkshore, after all the changes, is "okay" (So long the Night Elves don't lose, in which case it was a waste of time) but it's too little and if they lose, too late.

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Which arguablly they still end up losing

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the horde aren't stopped.

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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How long until the alliance builds Bomber type aircraft and Azerite nukes hordies?

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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they're slowed down

tulip sun Nov 4, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Both factions give and take

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:13 PM

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It's like a classy pant torn through and through which is fixed with patches. It's still torn and while it doesn't have holes, the patches still make it look ugly

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:13 PM

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And there's kham. Probably going to preach that "Oh but you guys killed a Val'kyr it's totally even"

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 7:13 PM

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How long until we see the vindicaar come do some gang shit?

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Oh by the way the Worgen still don't have their city

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At lest according to Golden

jovial skiff Nov 4, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Haha
Yeah lol

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:14 PM

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Never

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Supossedly the Lightforged call it to Darkshore

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Yet, again, wait till 8.2 where they say the Night Elves lost

tulip sun Nov 4, 2018, 7:15 PM

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I ain't preaching anything

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:15 PM

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That's my problem with this expansion. Even if the Horde lose they do it with dignity

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So they barely feel defeated

tulip sun Nov 4, 2018, 7:15 PM

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It is as simple as looking at the quest. Both factions gain and give.

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:15 PM

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wait the horde lose?

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whens this

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:15 PM

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The battle of Dazar'alor ends up with an Alliance leader seemingly dead and the Kul'Tiran fleet is still verybadly damaged

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:16 PM

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"Oh but you killed the king. so clearly it's even."

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Theorically they "lost" in lordaeron too

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And now my biggest worry is that since the team is going to divide their focus to make THREE separate storylines ONLY for the Horde. Where does that leave the Alliance?

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As another Horde side-story?

meager zodiac Nov 4, 2018, 7:28 PM

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poor blood elf

📎 y3dvylja80w11.png

fierce crane Nov 4, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Meh the belf can take his duck lips with him ;x

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 7:31 PM

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her*

fierce crane Nov 4, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Yeah that

night swift Nov 4, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Malfurion: Begone thot!

tulip sun Nov 4, 2018, 7:37 PM

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I love her golden eyes in the dark

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 7:37 PM

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That's what he sais

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Said

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 7:38 PM

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Chadfurion

drowsy monolith Nov 4, 2018, 9:19 PM

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PTR got disabled?

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or is it on manteinance

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 9:43 PM

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just not up yet, never put up servers last build

drowsy monolith Nov 4, 2018, 9:47 PM

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oh ok

jade basalt Nov 4, 2018, 10:37 PM

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They revealed what's under the Crucible of Storms

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 10:38 PM

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bad stuff 😛

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Hah

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 10:38 PM

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I assume in an r/wow interview?

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 10:38 PM

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You can't just type that and not tell us

fierce crane Nov 4, 2018, 10:39 PM

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Definately not old god related right?

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 10:39 PM

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Srly quiet

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Is it loot?

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A bed with Xal?

jade basalt Nov 4, 2018, 10:40 PM

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From French website Mamytwink's interview with Feasel and Wang, took a while to translate and transcribe

Nazjatar will use the Timeless Isle's rare mob events system, because they really liked when a rare spawned by surprise and everyone on the isle rushed to it, and banded together to kill it and obtain cool loot
Another inspiration for Nazjatar is Hellfire Peninsula or Auchindoun, from TBC. Nothing concrete yet but they like the idea of recurrent events where the naga take control of the zone by taking 3 towers. It'd cause terrible effects and you'd feel Azshara's eyes upon you. The idea is that all players would go to the towers to kill the naga and take them back, in a group activity / world event kind of fashion. There could be a PvP aspect to it, it'd be cool if players themselves could take control of the towers in War Mode. And the more points you control, the more War Mode bonuses your faction gets.
Feasel considers Nazjatar as one, big zone. Mechagon is smaller and more compact, and is built around the megadungeon.
Nazjatar's vegetation is varied, from corals to thermal vents and kelp forests.
Vash'jir's architecture was rather elven. Nazjatar has some elven ruins, but it is otherwise really, purely naga, with abyssal, bioluminescent buildings.
Nazjatar is "very far away". We'll reach it by boat.
About Mechagon : they really liked the positive feedback on Return to Karazhan. It's a big instance that isn't a raid, and it was interesting to spend so much time in it. Mechagon will have unique loots like Karazhan, and you'll want to return there even in future patches. They're also going to split it into 2 instances because people liked that they did that with Karazhan.

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The VS AI battlegrounds will use the island expedition AI, which is smarter than generic mobs. Though they're still iterating on it.
They're thinking of ways to better communicate how loots work on island.
With warfronts being "too easy" for most people, the goal of Heroic warfronts is to really get people to have to play together and coordinate their actions. They want people to have to talk and discuss strategies, and back up their NPCs. If you summon a Druid, you'll have to escort it so it doesn't get killed. If you see a big incoming group of enemies, you'll have to return to your base to defend it.
PvP warfronts were not planned for, but people often ask for them so it gets them to discuss it, though there's nothing planned for now.
Wintergrasp will become an epic battleground. (not sure what that means)
They hope Incursions will mesh well with War Mode and give incentive to use it.
Crucible of Storms: it's the first real tangible evidence that both factions have that a dark power dwelling under the seas is going restless. They find that under the Shrine of the Storms is a huge portion of N'Zoth himself.
One of the functionalities they want to add in 8.2 is an escort system (improving on bodyguards). You'll make new friends, goblins, giants, etc. and they'd like you to be able to bring them with you, to level them up, and to discover their stories. That goblin isn't any random goblin, he's got a story and you'll find out about it as you spend time in Nazjatar. They want to add quests for each character, chests, and other things to tell their story.
Main race heritage armor questlines are really about the history and legacy of that race. The idea started with something like "if you were a tauren kid in Thunder Bluff, what kind of story would you hear about ?"

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TLDR : it's a piece of N'Zoth

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@serene marsh or @main urchin might be interested ^

I also put it in Reddit form for easier reading : https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9u8del/blizzcon_interview_nazjatar_mechagon_pvp_new/?

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 10:41 PM

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oh shit

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Shit

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 10:46 PM

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nazjatar is sounding really impressive

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mixing a lot of good old elements of areas, like world objectives, timeless isle rares, suramar storyline and garrison bodyguards.

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 10:51 PM

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wait

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@jade basalt When you say a "piece" of N'zoth

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do you mean like

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he's free?

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 10:52 PM

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more likely its near his actual physical form under the planets crust

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meaning, interestingly, nazjatar is in a separate place from n'zoth

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 10:52 PM

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that wasn't to surprising for me.

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Always considered thm to be in separate places

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 10:53 PM

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well, it means they moved Nzoth north from his chronicles position

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 10:54 PM

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Wasnt he supposed to be in Nyalothia

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 10:55 PM

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thats just a theory

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his physical position and presumably prison was southeast of the well of eternity and suramar in chronicles when you overlay the maps

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 10:56 PM

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With "piece" I understand a physical part of him

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Unless they backed down with the idea of Old gods being massive, which I hope they didn't

jade basalt Nov 4, 2018, 10:57 PM

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@hollow dock It just says it's a piece, a chunk, a portion, of N'Zoth, nothing about him being free.

Reminder that Old Gods are absolutely immense (and have tentacles). You fight Yogg-Saron's tiny frog head in Ulduar where he is imprisoned, but his blood is literally on the entire continent and the roots of Vordrassil, which is all the way down in Grizzly Hills, touched Yogg-Saron.

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 10:58 PM

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well, wouldnt a piece of him being under Stormsong mean hes underneath all of kul tiras too?

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assuming his main position is still south of it

jade basalt Nov 4, 2018, 11:00 PM

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To return to my Yogg-Saron comparison, the distance between Vordrassil and Ulduar is about the same as the distance between, for example, Kul Tiras and Zandalar, and greater than Kul Tiras and Broken Isles. So imagining that's a "maximum span" (which it may not be, they could be even bigger), N'Zoth's real location could be anywhere in such a radius around Kul Tiras. Meaning it would fit well in that location between KT and Zandalar that people have been speculated about.

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Something like this (approximation) https://i.imgur.com/b3DRurc.jpg

Imgur

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Which fits with where he was imprisoned by the titan-forged keepers https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/7/7a/Ordered_Azeroth.jpg?version=59ad5062c570d7c425524ddc2b34eac0

livid steeple Nov 4, 2018, 11:15 PM

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any one know when will 8.1 be released ?

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 11:15 PM

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Dec 11

livid steeple Nov 4, 2018, 11:17 PM

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confirmed date or speculations ?

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 11:19 PM

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Confirmed date

leaden garden Nov 4, 2018, 11:28 PM

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And then 8.1.5 around.. January or February probably

livid steeple Nov 4, 2018, 11:28 PM

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rly ?

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why that late ?

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i mean dec 11

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can you pls give me the link where blizz confirmed release for dec 11

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 11:29 PM

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It's on #latest-news-old

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📎 Screenshot_20181104-173033_Discord.jpg

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@livid steeple

livid steeple Nov 4, 2018, 11:32 PM

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aaa

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cant wait that much

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 11:32 PM

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Just 4 more weeks

livid steeple Nov 4, 2018, 11:33 PM

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ye just 4 more 😄

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i want it in few more days not weeks

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 11:36 PM

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@jade basalt Do you believe Y'Shaarj was as big as the Well of Eternity/The Maelstorm?

uncut vault Nov 4, 2018, 11:38 PM

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Well, we know he was at minimum, because that is the condensed wound left behind

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:38 PM

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Its just my theory, but old god strength should be determinate of immediate size. As they make the faceless ones out of their own flesh, the larger a size they have the more they can create and spread.

So Nzoths prison should be rather close to the Crucible. Maybe half the diameter given about in that diagram as Nzoth was the weakest.

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 11:38 PM

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Well I saw some people argue that he may be "smaller than that" because he was "buried" or something along those lines

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 11:38 PM

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Are we in troubles

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:39 PM

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Thus being the smallest. Again in theory

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 11:39 PM

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I can't really remember the argument But I am pretty sure Y'Shaarj was as big as the Well of Eternity , wouldn't make much sense otherwise

jade basalt Nov 4, 2018, 11:39 PM

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@hardy hedge He was most likely, yes. That's the hole left by removing him from the earth. He could've technically been even bigger than that. And it fits with Yogg-Saron spanning much of Northrend.

hardy hedge Nov 4, 2018, 11:39 PM

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Oh yeah they also set the example of C'Thun being "small"

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:40 PM

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Id imagine the power ranking went Yshaarj, Yogg, Cthun and Nzoth.

midnight bloom Nov 4, 2018, 11:43 PM

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So I'm thinking the new Alliance Allied Race is ether going to be the new Naga, Sethrak, or the horrid Junker Gnomes

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 11:43 PM

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It's going to be something related to nagas

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:43 PM

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It'll be the gnomes.

midnight bloom Nov 4, 2018, 11:43 PM

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I rather have elves than fucking more gnomes

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 11:45 PM

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Fucking more gnomes

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The fuck are you on

midnight bloom Nov 4, 2018, 11:45 PM

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One gnome type is more than enough ',:)

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:46 PM

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It really is.

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Technically 2 gnome types

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Goblins are no better

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 11:48 PM

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And apparently goblins get mechanized too

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:49 PM

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Its not even alliance specific

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Why am I not surprised

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 11:49 PM

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I think it was a mistake to say that

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I said apparently

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Not secured

meager zodiac Nov 4, 2018, 11:51 PM

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sharing is caring, especialy when it comes to gnomes story

zealous basalt Nov 4, 2018, 11:51 PM

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So I don't think we will have mecha stuff as allied race

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I think and hope

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It would be better if they are extra customizations

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:54 PM

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so would lightforged.

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and nightborne

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and voidelves

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and highmountain

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and dark iron

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and mag'har

meager zodiac Nov 4, 2018, 11:54 PM

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nightborne and void elfs have their own things going on

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so do dark irons

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what sense whould it make to have nightborne costumizations on night elfs?

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:54 PM

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They'd still be better as customization

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A lot?

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they're night elves.

meager zodiac Nov 4, 2018, 11:55 PM

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night elves that dont worship elune, feast on arcane magic, are not druidic or conected to nature?

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Nightelves aren't anti-magic anymore. not since cataclysm

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and they are connected to nature

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You see thatin the Botanist fight

meager zodiac Nov 4, 2018, 11:55 PM

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yeah, but the whole culture of suramar is anthethical to the kaldorei

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bending nature with arcane is not beign conected to it

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:55 PM

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It's ancient kaldorei culture

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it's not different. It's literally just the old kaldorei culture

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The highborne were still Kaldorei

meager zodiac Nov 4, 2018, 11:55 PM

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ancient kaldorei culture that the modern kaldorei have made an conscious effort to shy away from

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Except

meager zodiac Nov 4, 2018, 11:55 PM

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and the shendralar went humbled

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:55 PM

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they don't

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cuz ya know

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they let them back in

midnight bloom Nov 4, 2018, 11:56 PM

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Wait, I missed it. Goblins are half mech in that new zone too?

jade basalt Nov 4, 2018, 11:56 PM

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They weren't new naga, these guys are deep sea "jinyu", I don't know why people call them two-legged nagas.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491650392644648962/508756685150617601/82_blizzcon_07.png?width=1109&height=624

meager zodiac Nov 4, 2018, 11:56 PM

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yeah after loads of mistrust, maiev killing them and a bajilion restrictions

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:56 PM

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thank you Quiet

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that's immediately what I thought of

terse patrol Nov 4, 2018, 11:56 PM

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No. @midnight bloom

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:56 PM

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and Moon

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Tyrande trusted them

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Maiev never did

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For decent reason

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but she went to far

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Tyrande did trust them

meager zodiac Nov 4, 2018, 11:56 PM

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and then only recently did they became respected because they fought, nightborne dont have a single bone of humbility in their bones

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that is the difrence

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:57 PM

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Except that Thalryssa was fucking humble

meager zodiac Nov 4, 2018, 11:57 PM

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mordent and the shendralar were humble and didnt want to change kaldorei culture or uphold "highborne" stuff

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they still suck on mana and still abuse power as you cna see in the ptr

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:57 PM

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The whole nightfallen rebellion humbled her. She was not bigger.

meager zodiac Nov 4, 2018, 11:57 PM

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at least 2 times they die because of tapping into the leylines

hollow dock Nov 4, 2018, 11:57 PM

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oi vey it's liketalking to me

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just ignore the canon then

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Enjoy

meager zodiac Nov 4, 2018, 11:58 PM

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thalyssra was humbled, but the rest of suramar?

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nightborne represent everything malfurion and tyrande lead their people away from, titles, politics, blood status is all still important in suramar, they are not the same people

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they have much more in common with other highborne, like the blood elfs.

uncut vault Nov 5, 2018, 12:01 AM

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suramar doesnt have one opinion, a lot of them are like Valtrois, but a lot of them are also like Thalyssra

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:02 AM

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but as whole, as a city and as a culture, they uphold values and traditions that are anthethical to modern night elfs

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 12:02 AM

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I see you changed your profile pic from the belf to the nelf

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:03 AM

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that wasnt a belf

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that was an x-man

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 12:03 AM

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Nani

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:03 AM

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yeah

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its not ears, its horn tiara tingies, not every blonde is a bloid elf makore

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 12:05 AM

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Oof

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:06 AM

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saying void elfs and nightborne, who are almost complete oposites of their "parent" race, should be costumization options is baffling to me

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 12:07 AM

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(Void elves literally are blood elves that just study void)

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(they're so very different to the other blood elves clearly!)

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:11 AM

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but they already have enough physical difrences and the bare mininum for cultural and ways of acting, the difrences betwen nightborne and night elfs are even wider

midnight bloom Nov 5, 2018, 12:13 AM

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Who here is siding with our Queen and Savior Sylvanas and kill all the betrayers and Saurfang?

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 12:14 AM

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Not with that attitude

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:14 AM

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if sylvester had a funny bone i would follow her

tranquil steeple Nov 5, 2018, 12:14 AM

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I'mma answer it like this

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:14 AM

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crack a joke woman, you have the funiest voice

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her trone scene is still iconic

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because of how smug and funny it is

tranquil steeple Nov 5, 2018, 12:14 AM

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if I have to swap or level an alliance character just to kill Sylvanas or dethrone her as Warchief, I'd do it

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 12:15 AM

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I do agree that Nightborne as a Horde Allied Race is okay

midnight bloom Nov 5, 2018, 12:15 AM

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But she's our Queen, our beautiful Undead ELVEN Queen! She is pure and is full of love for the Horde

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 12:15 AM

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Quite literally they are Blood Elves with purple skin in terms of culture. It was a logical for them to join the faction that had Blood Elves

tranquil steeple Nov 5, 2018, 12:16 AM

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I'm just not a fan of Sylv leading the Horde, got no problems with what she does as a character.. just want her to let go of the reigns

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 12:17 AM

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I know a lot of people minded the fact that the Horde got Nightborne but honestly I found it okay. Yes they are ancient Night Elves but Forsaken are also undead humans. Their cultures and identities are vastly different

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I think Void Elves would have been cooler if they were High Elves

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 12:18 AM

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but the point of them still being highborne is that no it didn't actually change. And even if it did, why didn't the rebellion actually ya know. Change them?

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Less happenedto the high elves and it's accepted that they're different cultures from the blood elves.

fierce crane Nov 5, 2018, 12:19 AM

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Tbh, I think it boils down to having something visually distinct.

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 12:20 AM

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Also Void Elves are a LOT different from Blood Elves physically (They are very like-minded with TBC Blood Elves however)

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 12:20 AM

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probably. Which is sadly what ends up boiling it down to. (at Towowo)

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:21 AM

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but they clearly didnt, they changed their leadership, not their culture, there was no cultural reformation or heavy changes just like tyrande did after the sundering

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 12:21 AM

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But there wasn't any att he endofthe sundering either

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The highborne kept being highborne

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they just had nowell

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for three thousand years after they existed together

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highborne being highborne

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lowbornebeing that.

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lowborne

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:21 AM

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so tyrande destroying the entire army, creating the sentinels, banning magic, putting the priesthood at the top and the druids?

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 12:22 AM

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AGAIN THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN FOR THREE THOUSAND YEARS AFTER THE WELL

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:22 AM

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they did

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those 3 k years were of "coexistance" but tyrande established those heavy changes right after the sundering

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 12:22 AM

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and it ONLY happened because the highborne conjured a mana storm and they agreed to their exile.

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No

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 12:22 AM

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Yes and eventually they left because they found that their life-style was incompatible with current Kaldorei culture

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 12:22 AM

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she didn't

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:22 AM

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they were already banned

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why do you think the storm was created? to force malfurion to reconsider the wonders of magic

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 12:23 AM

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sigh

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:23 AM

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arcane arts were banned and the sisterhood of elune put at the top

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 12:23 AM

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Let's ignore chronicles

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:23 AM

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its in the chrocniles

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no

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lets not

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 12:23 AM

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yes

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:23 AM

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because those

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are canon

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 12:23 AM

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we're doing that

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the mana storm was conjured specifically because they found out about the well that was hidden

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the one under nordrassil

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THAT is the act that got them kicked out

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not trying to prove magic was stronger or better. They overreacted to finding out the well and were rightfully removed for it.

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 12:24 AM

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the well was public knowledge lol

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what do you think made nordrassil beign created and arcane magic extra banned?

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they created a magical storm not because of the well, but to protest agaist the druids, i dont know what kind of bootleg chronicles you are reading, but the facts are facts

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 12:26 AM

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aight I was wrong. bye

serene marsh Nov 5, 2018, 1:48 AM

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@jade basalt thanks! catching up on it from the stream. I'm having one of the french localizers do a pass on the interview as well

jade basalt Nov 5, 2018, 1:50 AM

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Alright !

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 2:09 AM

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holy shit

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the music from the organ secret

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the WC2 one is so good

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 2:50 AM

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This be dead mom

plain stirrup Nov 5, 2018, 4:03 AM

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Anyone have the link to the Warfront gear in 8.1? I am wondering what it looks like for hunters

uncut vault Nov 5, 2018, 4:04 AM

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https://www.wowhead.com/news=287387/patch-8-1-ptr-battle-for-darkshore-forsaken-warfronts-armor-leather-mail-plate#forsaken-mail

Wowhead

Patch 8.1 PTR - Battle for Darkshore Forsaken Warfronts Armor - Le...

The Battle for Darkshore is a new Warfront coming in Patch 8.1. The Horde armor will be themed after the Forsaken culture. In build 27826 we can preview some of the Leather, Mail, and Plate tints for the Horde.

plain stirrup Nov 5, 2018, 4:06 AM

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You are amazing thank you

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 4:49 AM

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https://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=147752/captive-sethrak so captive sethrak, i wonder if its for incursions in 8.1

Wowhead

Captive Sethrak

The location of this NPC is unknown. In the NPCs category. Added in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth. Always up to date with the latest patch.

uncut vault Nov 5, 2018, 4:51 AM

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It’s a friendly green one, interesting

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 4:53 AM

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talking in realistic terms, its possible it could be one of the missing alliance world quests for the vol'dun invasion? I know horde side is still missing some, but the alliance one is very incomplete

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:13 AM

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perhaps maybe it could be our vulpera conterpart, in more than one sense :p

jovial coral Nov 5, 2018, 5:40 AM

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Oh gee

north storm Nov 5, 2018, 7:13 AM

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Z

native seal Nov 5, 2018, 12:06 PM

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Hey guys, any of you with PTR access knows if Blizzard updated the Blood Elf Heritage armor pants textures?

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They were plain 2D last time they were shown and they looked super bland, same with the boots

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 12:37 PM

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Oh hey

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Sethrak do have female voice lines

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 1:00 PM

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And snitties?

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 2:09 PM

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Ptr isn't working atm?

terse patrol Nov 5, 2018, 2:30 PM

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Could be getting a new build

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 2:41 PM

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Servers for ptr haven’t worked since last update

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Theory is they took them offline for Blizzcon so they could focus on any issues with classic servers

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There is no evidence of a new build yet, it’s too early. It’s not yet 7am at blizzard

terse patrol Nov 5, 2018, 2:49 PM

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true

mystic heart Nov 5, 2018, 2:57 PM

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so if it's true
ptr servers will available in 11.08
cuz wow classic servers down 😄

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 2:57 PM

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They were staying up until today last I heard

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Classic wow ptr when

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:16 PM

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Because Sylvanas is not evil. In the story for her, it’s much more. She’s definitely aggressive, and she definitely believes in having power and control, but I also think that she does take seriously the representation of the Horde. She has a different perspective which is that the Horde will never be safe until the Alliance is wiped out. But, is she acting in a cruel, mustache-twirling evil way? Not really, she’s just trying to defend her people.

Senior Producer Travis Day

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GWchadThinkeyes

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:17 PM

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tell that to the tree and its citizens

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:17 PM

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GWchadMEGATHINK

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:17 PM

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she just wanted fleshy parts for its cotozens

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citizens^*

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:18 PM

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The night elf there were clearly evil and a menace to the Horde!

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Sound of children being burned alive

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A menace I tell you!

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:18 PM

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he's not wrong in what he's said except for the part where he said Sylvanas isn't evil.

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and just specifically that part.

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she's not mustache twirling evil

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but then again

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you don't need to twirl your mustache and kill puppies to be considered evil.

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:20 PM

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Anakin, Lady Sylvanas is evil!
From my point of view the Alliance is evil!
Well then you are lost!

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:21 PM

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He is right tho

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:22 PM

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realshit though, the CinemaWins channel does point out that Anakin is perfectly right in seeing that perspective and is sort of right but not entirely

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:22 PM

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I mean...

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I would give some to it if he didnt cross the mustache twirling line by killing kids

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:23 PM

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To be fair for him, he had to do it to gain power in the dark side.

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:23 PM

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i mean, the imperium are the real governators and the jedai are some kind of guerilla

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:23 PM

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THE SCRUBS WOULD STILL DIE ANYWAYS

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:23 PM

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Like the cinemawins outlook on the prequels really changed my thoughts on em

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:24 PM

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He is never implied to have done it as a mercy killing in the movie

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Not like the clones would torture them either

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Never claimed it was.

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Answering @zealous basalt

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Oh

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right

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Still, it seems to pain him to do such too

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:26 PM

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It does because

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until then

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he is a good man.

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Windu lowley deserved what he got

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He was ignorant and dickish

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:28 PM

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ndeed. which is partly why anakin was right in just about everything he was doing

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the council mistreated him and mislead him constantly. Which drove him to do all the shit he does

tropic trail Nov 5, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Anyone else upset that Kotor is not canon anymore?

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Windu straight up never put an inch of trust in him

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:30 PM

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it's legends

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whichmeans

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it's canon

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until disney says otherwise

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:32 PM

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em

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iirc, anything older than the 7th movie is non-canon

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:32 PM

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That was true for all of five months

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:32 PM

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legends linda mean that never happened

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Disney backtracked on it

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:32 PM

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orly?

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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Legends means that it is what's known as "Soft canon"

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it may or may not have happened like that but details are lost in time.

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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i bet they got big heat for that

tropic trail Nov 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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What is you guys view on episode 8?

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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eh

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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The big heat was decanonizing everything but hte movies and clone wars cartoon.

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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that is kinda eh

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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which is why they clarified what the legends thing means

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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i dont do diseny movies

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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These star wars movies are different.

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Broke: Legends is not canon
Woke: SWTOR is still getting updates so its canon

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hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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They'renot hte star wars I grew up with and thus I don't like them

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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i sqw the 7th and it was so utter crap...

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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but

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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it's a goodo movie, i recon, but a very bad sw movie

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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episode 7 wasn't that bad even as a star wars movie.

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Episode 7 is okay

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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It was just a regurgitation of Episode 4.

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which needed episode 5 to justify as a good star wars movie

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but sadly episode 8

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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the puns

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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didn't do that

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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and the color inclusion

tropic trail Nov 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Episode 7 was copy paste of episode 4

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:35 PM

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and the disney fell to all of it

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it's

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weird

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Episode 7 had several different things

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:35 PM

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It mixed the events

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but the events still fell into the same parts.

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:35 PM

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It worked up on the base of Episode 4 but its done that way so we can draw parallels and differences between the characters

tropic trail Nov 5, 2018, 3:35 PM

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I found episode 8 to be kinda stupid at some parts

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Kylo Ren is not Darth Vader

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:35 PM

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down to going ot the death star to savethe woman who was captured and tortured there and the old man mentor dies there to the guy with a lightsaber after having let himself die to it and then they blew up the deathstar

tropic trail Nov 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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^

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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the story archetypes were the same

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Yes thats what I meant

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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it's structure was just the same

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that's what I didn't like

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but Abrams knows how to shoot a damn fine movie

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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I didnt like

tropic trail Nov 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Why are we talking about this on ptr spoilers XD

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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That 80% of it was a waste of time

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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I cried when I saw the tracking shot of Poe when he was doing tricks and blasting out tie fighters.

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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But again thats to draw parallels between trilogies

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:37 PM

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We don't need that

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is the issue

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that's why people are angry at it

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the reason why it was done doesn't resolve why people are angry at it

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or stop them from doing that

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:37 PM

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I reckon its biggest problem was that its the legendary episode 7

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Which has been building up for years

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So getting a remake of Episode 4...

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:38 PM

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Ben swolo

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:38 PM

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I wouldn't say that entirely

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:38 PM

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Feels lackluster

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:38 PM

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I'd blameit more on disney hyping it up

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than the fans

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 3:38 PM

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I like Kylo more after 8 but geez
Both 7 and 8 are pretty bad

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I like rogue one though!

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:38 PM

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"We're going to do it better, we're going to treat the old cast with respect"

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kills basically the whole old cast

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in two movies

tropic trail Nov 5, 2018, 3:38 PM

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The Darth Vader scene in rogue one was excellent

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:38 PM

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I mean Leia survived

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She just dies irl

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:38 PM

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Yea but how she survived also was just

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bullshit

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Dont tou think she will be killed offscreen?

tropic trail Nov 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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The whole Leia can survive in space was dumb

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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even by force bullshit power standards

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Like

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Darth Sion

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Also yeah

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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the most bullshit manin Star wars

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who lives just because he's really angry

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Suddenly she can survive in the vacuum

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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would call bullshit on leia doing what leia did

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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And use force

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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it broke my heart the comment of "luke"

tropic trail Nov 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Luke's force hologram XD

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:40 PM

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I wouldnt really mind itbif they said Leia AT least got some Force training

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:40 PM

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no that's fine IMO. it does happen in othe rplaces.

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or things like it.

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:40 PM

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She is still the daughter of the Chosen One

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:40 PM

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he said something around the line of "yeah, i dont agree with the plot, but whatever, at least it will die and it wont drag more"

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:40 PM

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Yea leia NOT becoming a jedi

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does not sit well with me

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Luke having learned of the jedi's mistakes

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and notcorrecting them

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irksme

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:40 PM

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mark hamill

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 3:40 PM

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it irks me greatly

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because that's what EU luke did

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 3:41 PM

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Leia not becoming a Jedi is okay. She was always more of a politic. But not getting at least some Force training?

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:41 PM

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Luke was a coward imo, wanting all force stuff lost in time

tropic trail Nov 5, 2018, 3:42 PM

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The biggest question, who the hell is Rey supposed to be?

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:42 PM

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The fans

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:42 PM

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a princess

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duh

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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There is

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Happening a soon catfight

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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yes

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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In the normal chat

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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we need to ping seltharia to make him know

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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Dis gon be gud

junior prairie Nov 5, 2018, 3:44 PM

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Anyone seen this? https://i.imgur.com/uS6jEkW.jpg haha it's so true XD

Imgur

MoP and BfA have a couple of similarities...

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:45 PM

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I cant see shit

junior prairie Nov 5, 2018, 3:45 PM

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go to spec savers :3

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or the link XD

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 3:46 PM

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Oof

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ears popcorn

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 4:26 PM

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that twists the truth a bit

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not going to lie

muted canopy Nov 5, 2018, 4:52 PM

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i dont see us going back in time to stop the culling either

sudden oak Nov 5, 2018, 4:55 PM

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I love the part of "a temple, sacred to the natives, corrupted by an awful, new threat" when its a goddamn temple to N'zoth

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xD

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like yeah

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100% corrupted

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am i right

muted canopy Nov 5, 2018, 4:59 PM

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it's somewhat the same formula, sure, but there is always going to be the two major factions. legion was great, but it had a shortfalling because you could play a horde toon and get the exact same story as you would with an alliance toon. only differences you could get was to play different classes just with the class hall campaigns

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 4:59 PM

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it's stationed directly over a piece of N/zoth

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so yea

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ofc it'll get corrupted

sudden oak Nov 5, 2018, 5:00 PM

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I mean its a temple made to n'zoth

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how do you corrupt something that was originally like that

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 5:01 PM

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Wait which temple? Sethrallis?

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:01 PM

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It's the crucible of storms actually.

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It's first made by the Kul Tirans

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so

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 5:01 PM

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Sneks would get to be druids and priests right?

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:02 PM

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Druids maybe. Priests most likely.

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Shamans for certain

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as well as mages, warriors, rogues, hunters.

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 5:02 PM

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I think I could definitely play a snake rogue

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Natural venom!

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They better get a racial travel form like worgen where they just slither round quickly lmao

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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i could see druids, i still think removing the druids of the fang as an actual druidic school has anoyed me to no end

terse patrol Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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Druids of the Fang could return yeah

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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Wait how were they removed?

terse patrol Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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Snake-cats

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They werent removed

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Druids_of_the_Fang yea.

Wowpedia

Druids of the Fang

The Druid of the Fang were a group of druids found in the Wailing Caverns. Once part of an order of noble druids, the group, led by Naralex, sought to use the Caverns' underground springs to restore the Barrens to the lush and fertile land that it once was, using the power of...

terse patrol Nov 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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But their druidic school is corrupted I guess?

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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they weren't

terse patrol Nov 5, 2018, 5:09 PM

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That could be fixed.

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:09 PM

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I mean. The school only existed in the wailing caverns

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just like the Druid of the Fin only exists in the water

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and yes Druid of the Fin is a real thing

terse patrol Nov 5, 2018, 5:09 PM

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But yeah, snake-cats, snake bears, etc could be cool.

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Windserpent flight form.

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What would their boomkin look like

muted canopy Nov 5, 2018, 5:14 PM

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be great if that was how they incorporated sethrak, as the druid of the fang moonkin form

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:23 PM

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no they were in a sense

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that before druids of the fang were a normal school of druids, respected and good than then were inflicted with corruptiom

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in wow their forms and powers are a reflex of that corruption, instead of just another type of druid totem

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:25 PM

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where is the source for that? O.o

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:26 PM

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In the rts books and stuff, i knwo they are not cannon, but they broght them into wow and changed them.

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:26 PM

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Ah ok from the RPG.

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:26 PM

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the wailing caverns, all of that is the same, they just decided to remove how druids of the fang as a legitamate organization

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 5:26 PM

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Hmm
Giant slithery snake for travel
Feathered serpent for flight
Giant angry cobra/naga like for
Scaled moonkin?
What about bearmode?

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:26 PM

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yea the RPG was written very differently to the actual Warcraft game.

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:26 PM

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that is what anoys me, because it a cool concept then brought into wow

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and then removed, its like, why bring it in and then say "its just corruption"

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Yea but you'd also run into an issue Wotc is currently going over right now whenever they release a new adventure

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"What are we retconning this time over, how can we make sure certain things don't impact the story we want to publish:

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etc

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:27 PM

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i just mean fixing that, allowing druids of the fang to be a good organization, like its supossed to be?

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they brought it into cannon only to then erase it

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Was it ever supposed to be a good organiziation

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is my question

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they were always just corrupt druids from the emerald dream that separated

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:28 PM

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yeah, it was a normal druid form that unfortunatly got tragic

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yeah, everything as it is now, existed before

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:28 PM

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the RPG changed it with some backstory, but that backstory didn't flex well into Warcraft.

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So they removed it.

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:28 PM

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but there were good druids of the fang, the practise was still good

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no you dont understan, all about the wailing caverns, naralexx, is mostly the same from rpg to wow

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 5:28 PM

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What about uhhhh
Vulpera druids
Just make everything a fox?

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Yes because it came first

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not the other way around

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 5:29 PM

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As I understand it, NightElfFan#2030 is complaining because before the Druids of the Fang were an actual normals chool of Druids

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And now they are just corrupted druids

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:29 PM

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everything except druids of the fang beign a reflex of their corruption, and not simply another form of druidism

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yeah

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 5:29 PM

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like the Druids of the Flame

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:29 PM

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Wailing Caverns came out with WoW.

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:29 PM

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but it wasnt just for night elfs

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:29 PM

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and then was written and expanded upon in the RPG

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:29 PM

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tauren were also druids of the fang

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druids of the flame were always evil

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 5:29 PM

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Yeah that's my point

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:29 PM

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but the RPG just didn't mesh well with Warcraft. the very concept of Warcraft can't mesh well into an RPG.

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 5:29 PM

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Druids of the Fang were always evil too

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:30 PM

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So they retconned it out because they were constantly changing the story of WoW.

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:30 PM

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no they were not, go read it, they were corrupted but you could be a good druid of the fang

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:30 PM

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In non-canon material

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:30 PM

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there were druids of the fang that werent corrupted

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 5:30 PM

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Druids of the flame were neat
Why were there so damn many for them?

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 5:30 PM

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Who?

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:30 PM

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both tauren and night elfs, because it was just another concept

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:30 PM

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Followers of Fandral, Skylor

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 5:30 PM

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Yeah I know who they were, but there were so MANY of them

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:31 PM

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go read their wowhead page and their part in the books, it was just another school of druidism, the order and its people fell to tragedy, but the powers of that form were not evil

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:31 PM

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Yea. Frandral was Archdruid

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 5:31 PM

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I mean sure yeah ragnaros is cool guy but come on
How y'all nature druids just gonna drop it to become shamans in disguise?

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:31 PM

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"Druid of the fang is a class of druid. They are members of the organization known as the Druids of the Fang. Druids of the fang accept the snake as their totem. Due to recent events, many believe the druids of the fang are an evil organization. This belief is unfounded; the druids of the fang are loyal to Darnassus and the Alliance (or Thunder Bluff and The Horde in the case of Tauren druids). However, recently, the order's head, Naralex, became trapped in a nightmare in the Wailing Caverns while attempting to restore the natural balance of the Barrens; he now spreads corruption through the complex. Many druids of the fang also became infected, and many of the order are now indeed corrupted and evil. The uncorrupted druids of the fang seek to cure their brethren and restore their leader."

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 5:31 PM

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Me and a friend investigated over them and came to the conclussion no druid of the Fang was good. Give me a moment

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:31 PM

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The Druids of the Fang have four leaders, and each possesses a dream gem. Even now their faces haunt me! Defeat the leaders and bring me their gems, and the Barrens may again know peace.”```

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what I posted

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is the canon

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:31 PM

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Druids_of_the_Fang#cite_note-3

Wowpedia

Druids of the Fang

The Druid of the Fang were a group of druids found in the Wailing Caverns. Once part of an order of noble druids, the group, led by Naralex, sought to use the Caverns' underground springs to restore the Barrens to the lush and fertile land that it once was, using the power of...

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:31 PM

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what you posted

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:31 PM

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go down

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:31 PM

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is the non-canon

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:31 PM

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yeah but it was changed

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 5:31 PM

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I still have that document here

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:32 PM

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that is the whole point

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Yea

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:32 PM

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they picked something from the rts

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:32 PM

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it's non-canon

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NO

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:32 PM

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and changed it so it became more lame

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:32 PM

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THEY DIDN'T

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Oh jesus

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Wailing caverns

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and the Druids of the fang

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existed in vanilla

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LONG before the RPG existed

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Mechagnome Druids that are basically just Transformers™

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:34 PM

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The RPG was released a year after WoW was released.

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actually the more I dig

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the specific book the druids of the fang are referenced from

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came out 2 years after WoW first released

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:35 PM

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okay then, I understand I was mistaken and wrong, but its still a great concept that shouldnt have been ignored but expandded

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Druids of the Fang never existed as a pure organization

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In the Dungeon entry of Lord Serpentis. It is explicitly said that he formed the Druids of the Fang after he went insane

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:36 PM

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It's sort of like the druids of the uh.

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druids of the worgen.

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forgot their exact name

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Druids of the Pack I think?

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:36 PM

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but only a few existed and became worgen and were locked away

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think that might be it

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 5:36 PM

#

📎 0d889949ce4f30fa1f737f90083232fa.png

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there

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The Serpent form didnt exist before

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hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:39 PM

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Yea the clarification has been brought out.

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:39 PM

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so basicaly after vanilla they expanded on that concept, made it more interesting, and then ignored it? okay then, im better informed.

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:39 PM

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Not really.

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What ended up happening was this

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BC was releasing right

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the RPG wasn't doing that well on it's own

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and they wanted to change up a lot of the prior lore

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like making the Eredar into a player race

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which is now the Draenei

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but you have to retcon how the eredar work and function then

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they also retconned the blood elves what happened with them and Kael

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and a huge slew of changes needed to happen to make BC happen

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so, rather than trying to update the RPG books to match all the retcons

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they simply discontinued them and made them non-canon

meager zodiac Nov 5, 2018, 5:42 PM

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okay, so that makes more sense, thank you for explaining. But i still think the non cannon version of druids of the fang is super interesting, and due to the topic of sethrak druids could be "reformed", then again those books were filled with interesting things

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:44 PM

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h yea certainly and allow me to tell you a little secret.

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Blizzard will from time to time take thingsfrom the RPG

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and make it canon

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Tandred was at first not canon

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Then they made him canon

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Curious, huh?

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Yup. Tandred was an RPG proudmoore.

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Hell red shirt guy even pointed out he's not canon and they poked fun at it in game

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Alonsus and Calia's storyline was also taken from another, very well known one from the RPG

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Yup yup!

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They might do the same with the druids of the fang if they ever want to revisit it, they may never.

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We just have to hope they do.

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 6:04 PM

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    Alex responded that he's with “with Lost Codex,” but he’s only one voice.
    There are other factors the dev team needs to take into account, such as how will Kul Tiran Humans look while casting spells.
    However...Jaina is a mage and Kul Tiran and “By Golly, The Kul Tiran should be mages as well!" They'll continue to have discussions on this.```

@uncut vault I don't think they realize they made a Kul Tiran mage for the uh. Raid.

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    Allied Races are chosen for coolness, passion, excitement, and other factors. Animations are important, as player character animations have the most out of anything in the character database. KT males and females are brand new rings with some animations that are different than humans.
    Blizzard can't answer the question quite yet as to where Zandalari Paladins pull their power from, with Rezan not around anymore.
    When asked if customization for Void Elves along the lines of High Elf fantasy would ever come, Blizzard responded that there's always a chance but be respectful when making feedback posts.
    There could be a chance we'll see Yrel and AU Draenor characters again--in general, stories are dependent on a developer pushing a certain character or story forth. For example, Wrathion wouldn't exist if 2 passionate designers didn't push that story. Alex created Saurfang and kept running with it.```

@dense plover !!!!!!!!!!!!

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oh and @junior prairie

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 6:10 PM

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respectful

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high elf feedback

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🤔

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Ok

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So confirmed drust were vrykul

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Well that explains the inconsistencies "The stories are dpeendant on a developer pushing a certain character or story forth"

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 6:26 PM

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yup

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Eolved down.

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Still no confirmation on their possible relation to kul tirans

hardy hedge Nov 5, 2018, 6:26 PM

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WELL NO WONDER THEY DROP THEM LIKE THEY PLEASE

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=.=

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Well the Drust integrated into Kul tiran society.

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 6:28 PM

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And humans are already known to be vrykul offshoots

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 6:30 PM

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But like

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People were saying kul tirans were heavy because of drust blood

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If they are descended from vrykul, then that wouldn’t make a difference

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Since all humans are descended from vrykul

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So it’s literally just that having a larger more muscular body is advantageous in their environment

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 6:34 PM

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the idea I have is this

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the Curse of Flesh made them weak right?

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Thus that changes their DNA

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so what if the original strain of DNA melds with the altered one?

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 6:38 PM

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I mean, it could create changes

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Sure

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But we don’t know

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So it’s one of two options

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Well vrykul were iron and got flesh cursed into vrykul now
And then those vrykul had stunted runt children sometimes that became humans
Maybe kul tirans are just less stunted vrykul

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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See, that’s impossible

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Because they came to kul tiras from EK

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And then got bulky

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Oh
Hmm
Yeah then I guess it would be something with drust bloodlines

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Or maybe EVIL OLD GODS DID IT WOAH SPOOKY

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Or just ya know, being a better body shape for fighting monsters and going sailing on the cold ocean

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This kind of thing happens in real life

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Only takes 5-6 generations

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For example, Ireland has more redheads than anywhere else. This likely started as 1 mutation and within 200-500 years, it became very common

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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That area was also genetically isolated for long periods of time

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Sylvanas started with 1 mutation, can't imagine the world in 200-500 years

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Being red headed doesn't seem to offer an evolutionary advantage that I can think of

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Hahaha

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Most evolution isn’t advantageous

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Natural selection is advantageous

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Evolution doesn’t have to be

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Motherfucking peacocks

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Literally all of them has made them survive worse

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But they attract mates more successfully

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One benefit

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Lots of costs

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Most of those costs came accidentally as a result of the benefit

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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I think blizzard don't have a clear interpretation too, idea stated with bringing more diversity to humans or how to introduce Kultiras without it being another (normal) human civilisation

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 6:49 PM

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IE; extended tail feathers, limited flight ability, body shape

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Well yeah, those who attract mates more usually pass on more genes
Anyways kul tirans are just thiccies
Maybe it's dietary who knows
Jaina aint big

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 6:50 PM

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The whole family of proudmoores are normal people

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but the other kul Tirans aren't

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so

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Though I will note this.

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Raptors do the same stuff. In two separate areas

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they're completely different

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despite being the same species.

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and they didn't spend thatmuch time apart.

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And there's even reason to believe they would cross-breed at some point from traveling zandalari.

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Maybe it's just a video game and they wanted the new humans to look different
Without making them worgen

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Lol worgen are the OG allied race

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 6:53 PM

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Nzoth will create vampires and they will fight worgens in next expac

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Hmm

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Hmm
Sounds like the alliance war campaign if you play a worgen through it

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Where did I see this

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I feel like

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Underworld

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 6:54 PM

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I had a reference

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Of a shitty movie series

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Oh ya

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Twilight

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Vampire diaries

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Oh man I forgot about that completely

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Jesus, I jumped straight to underworld

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Wait

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You can be a Blood DK as worgen

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HOW?

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Why not? It's just a type of magic that anybody could learn

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Blood DK is a vampire

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 6:57 PM

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No, it's a dk who uses vampiric things
But not an actual vampire like the blood elves in the lich kings army

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Okay sad

terse patrol Nov 5, 2018, 6:57 PM

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with that logic, Bleeding Hollow Shaman are vampires

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 7:02 PM

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I think saurfsng will go back to Horde

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 7:08 PM

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no, they said they will make more choices, letting people choose between Sylvanas and Saurfang for a long time

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 7:11 PM

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I mean in the end

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 7:12 PM

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going back to horde with Sylvanas as warchief?

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Ye

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Entering a metastability

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 7:14 PM

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Sylvanas won't have the same ending as Garrosh but she follows the same path she's just doing it better, I'm not sure if that means she will stay warchief

meager warren Nov 5, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Wait...
Is the magic used by Blood DKs and the magic used by G'huun's Blood Trolls the same magic?

terse patrol Nov 5, 2018, 7:18 PM

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Blood magic is blood magic. It always has a dark aspect.

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In fact

fierce crane Nov 5, 2018, 7:18 PM

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Blood is symbolic of life so I imagine it would hold power.

terse patrol Nov 5, 2018, 7:18 PM

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Bleeding Hollow Orcs sometimes went insane from Blood Magic, and were outcast, becoming the Bonechewer Clan.

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If you were weak and couldn’t handle the blood magic, you were considered too weak to be Bleeding Hollow.

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So the Bonechewers are just psychotic cannibals.

meager warren Nov 5, 2018, 7:21 PM

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Neat

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Blood magic is fascinating

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Next expac World of Warcraft : The Black Empire

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9.3 : Illidan kill the titans and release Sargeras to save Azeroth

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 7:26 PM

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10.3

meager warren Nov 5, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Release Sargeras
Save Azeroth

hogger

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 7:26 PM

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High elf customization for humans

meager warren Nov 5, 2018, 7:26 PM

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11.3 Undead Druids

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Ooh ohh,
And Lightforged Death Knights

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Patch 13

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 7:27 PM

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15.2.5 Return to Draenor

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Internet in wow

meager warren Nov 5, 2018, 7:27 PM

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20.5- New World: Candyland

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 7:28 PM

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21.0.1 : New Mini-game : Minecraft

meager warren Nov 5, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Oof

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Patch squish when

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patch 20

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is just to large

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Quest : Make a turtle with Minecraft
Reward : 1000 AP 50 Gold

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 7:29 PM

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for me

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I just can't wrap my head around that

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please squish it back

grizzled sleet Nov 5, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Patch 22.3.0 : Voljin discover who whispered him about Sylvanas

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Patch 25.0.0.0.2
Now a tshirt for your pets pet

sullen dagger Nov 5, 2018, 8:14 PM

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patch 26- there isnt a cow level, inly immortal

junior prairie Nov 5, 2018, 8:26 PM

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@hollow dock meh... not a fan of them still and what he said is typical not now..maybe in 10 years

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 8:26 PM

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be respectful and maybe void elves become high elves.

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that was the point I wanted to drive for

junior prairie Nov 5, 2018, 8:27 PM

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....that's worse

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Just from personal opinion I've been playing since Fury of sunwell 2.4, and asking for High elves since start of Wrath.. there was threads in the old 2004 forums before they merged B.net and WoW into one, and there was tuns of requests back then too. Waiting longer especially when the first sub-race (ofc now allied race) was asked for during TBC was high elves and prior to that a main race in vanilla was high elves, and instead they give us void elves and ask us to wait... it's just getting to me hard, waiting is fine but it's the prospect of never knowing while still shoe horning stuff like this.

Void elves will to me be forever a tone-deaf no lore-race who came out of literal no where in hopes of trying to please High elf fans but missing completely on what requested, and I'll always hate them for that.

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 8:28 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I'll be happy if that happens. I'm at that breakingpoint. I just don't care.

terse patrol Nov 5, 2018, 8:28 PM

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I remember how mad people were when they had the Blood Elves join the Horde.

junior prairie Nov 5, 2018, 8:29 PM

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I won't, I'd fully just quit WoW then as it's obvious they don't care about fans if they did that..I mean they already don't but this would be final nail in coffin

terse patrol Nov 5, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Which Blizzard responded to with: “we wanted the Horde to have a pretty race”

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That was the whole reason.

junior prairie Nov 5, 2018, 8:29 PM

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-Rogvar
The Blood elf controversy involves players who have voiced objection to blood elves feeling it will ruin the atmosphere of the Horde. Others think it makes little sense that the New Horde would let in such a corrupt race and feel this upsets the balance between the Alliance and Horde. The latest controversy involves their torture and exploitation of a Naaru and the hidden leper gnome sweatshop in their capital showing Thrall and Cairne's apparent indifference.```

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basically everyone at start hated belves going horde... the OG horde fans hated elves joining them, the new horde fans hated them... everyone but the people who wanted le'pretty race on there "lok'tar ogar" faction disliked them

meager warren Nov 5, 2018, 8:48 PM

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Them being the pretty race is one of my issues about the DH being restricted to elves.

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 8:48 PM

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DHs aren't pretty though

sudden oak Nov 5, 2018, 8:52 PM

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dhs arent pretty they are hot

📎 kappapride.jpg

junior prairie Nov 5, 2018, 8:52 PM

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well they are on fel-fire :3 they do carry around Immolation aura :v

strange falcon Nov 5, 2018, 9:18 PM

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You know that whole Diablo controversy? Well... as it turns out, Blizzard planned to put out a video in which Allen Adham announced Diablo 4, but pulled it last minute, sources tell Kotaku, So, yes, I can confirm there's a new PC Diablo coming. Hopefully knowing that Diablo 4 is in development -- and has been for a while, in various forms, under different directors -- helps comfort any of you who were worried that the series was going mobile-only or something.

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#wowhead

tawdry rover Nov 5, 2018, 9:19 PM

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@strange falcon link?

strange falcon Nov 5, 2018, 9:20 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/news=288451/kotaku-blizzard-pulled-diablo-4-announcement-from-blizzcon-sources-say?webhook/kotaku-blizzard-pulled-diablo-4-announcement-from-blizzcon-sources-say

Wowhead

Kotaku: Blizzard Pulled Diablo 4 Announcement from BlizzCon, Sourc...

Diablo die-hard fans were not happy with the announcement of Diablo Immortal, a mobile game with no PC support, at BlizzCon. However, according to Jason Scheirer, editor at Kotaku, Blizzard had plans to announce Diablo 4 during BlizzCon, but the announcement was pulled at the...

tawdry rover Nov 5, 2018, 9:20 PM

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cheers 👌

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not surprising, they did hype up "Multiple projects!"

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guess they felt it was abit early

meager warren Nov 5, 2018, 9:28 PM

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@hollow dock exactly

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 9:47 PM

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Even though theyre elves the dhs we have currently are not pretty

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They are callous of skin, have scales, horns, fel damage.

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 9:48 PM

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Nah they're cute

zealous basalt Nov 5, 2018, 9:53 PM

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Oof

zinc sandal Nov 5, 2018, 9:57 PM

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https://i.redd.it/3t1k2uqjbiw11.png

agile token Nov 5, 2018, 10:00 PM

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interesting

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 10:07 PM

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I can understand the passion, but the major changes do swerve away from Blizz's artstyle a bit.

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the minor ones I can see being done though.

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 10:07 PM

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red and purple eyes are unlikely

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worgen tend to have wolf eyes

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which are yellow

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also, even if they stick with the rough design from blizzcon, its 1000x better than the current model

meager warren Nov 5, 2018, 10:48 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9ug8jc/new_races_for_hero_classes_a_lore_friendly_way/
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r/wow - New races for hero classes - a lore friendly way.

1 vote and 10 comments so far on Reddit

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 10:54 PM

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the post is empty.

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but uh.

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DH starter area is timed at around TBC, which would mean many of the newer races might not be able to be DH.

DK starter area is situated at around the beginning of Wrath of the Lich King, which means none of the Allied Races would be able to be DK.```

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this is basically what me and peach keep saying

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 10:55 PM

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Just use time drakes

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or like

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temporary disguises

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 10:55 PM

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Some allied races could be dk but not all

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 10:55 PM

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vision of the past - you look like a blood elf or night elf depending on faction and do the DH intro

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then it fades you back out

jovial skiff Nov 5, 2018, 10:55 PM

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Like kul tiran and dork iron could, and maghar

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 10:55 PM

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and you get a short, and thats where you come in quest

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 10:55 PM

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that feels really cheap though.

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 10:55 PM

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its the easiest way

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 10:55 PM

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it is

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 10:55 PM

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everything else needs more work

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 10:55 PM

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but it also feels cheap

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 10:56 PM

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which means its the way to satisfy the people quickly

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 10:56 PM

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I'd not stand for it even if I wanted the allied races to have hero classes.

dense plover Nov 5, 2018, 10:56 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hollow dock Nov 5, 2018, 10:56 PM

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Because it's easier to color high elvespurple.

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and theoretically