as a child
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
So he never recreates the horde. They're now Blackmoores army and he invades lordaeron which makes arthas flee and marry jaina in theramore
craggy nexus
Okay, I think I understand what you are saying. They are parallel timelines that converge there. Which won't have particular effect of our time.
hollow dock
exactly
think it like a train depot.
A bunch of different tracks all branch out in numerous different directions, but never in the same path.
plain vigil
This drawing is getting really complicated holy shit ššš
hollow dock
welcome to trying to understand time.
steel venture
In a universe that doesn't intend for you to question the multiverse it creates.
Hence why details are scarce.
plain vigil
Oooof
craggy nexus
The time paradox, that some say will change current event. I have read some books on that theory and it is crazy to think that you could possibly experience another timeline but never change your own. Some people think that time travel is supposed to change our current timeline, but events in our timeline have already happened like this, thus can't actually be changed.
hollow dock
instead, kinda like in DBZ, it just creates a new timeline
craggy nexus
Making a parallel timeline with those changes is what "really" happens. Interesting theory to me.
plain vigil
Okay i think I better represented to wod timeline, and it kinda Spidermaning out.
Mr. Writer, I don't feel so good
jade basalt
New Jaina statue leaked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00T4dRBNleM&feature=youtu.be
crimson wasp
Aaaa its great
hollow dock
Also the diablo series looks true
uncut vault
Well it was basically already confirmed, just no official announcement yet
zealous basalt
NANII
strange falcon
i dont expect a diablo 4 announcement tomorrow,best case scenario just a little teaser
midnight bloom
Daily Reminder, if you DON'T like Elves, and you DON'T want more in the game, you get this adorable skinny dog for a pet
hollow dock
Deer/Doe tend to be the elves mount of choice in series like Lord of the rings
terse patrol
isnt that a dik dik
hollow dock
No.
midnight bloom
No one listen to Des, they don't know what they're talking about, they're a heretic, worshipper of the Legion, Slaanesh and all other corrupting things
weak lagoon
Elves in Dragon Age have the coolest mounts.
Well I dunno nightsabers are pretty cool.
But halaa are awesome too.
Err, halla
sudden oak
hollow dock
Yes I do worship N'zoth but that doesn't mean I don't speak the truth.
You're just a self hating elf supporter, Nero!
verbal relic
garrosh 2.0 incoming
feral dune
But its totally not garrosh 2.0 ~Blizz
Just like it was with Not Sylvannas burnt the tree
ruby prawn
Sylvanas is not Garrosh 2.0
Garrosh did nothing wrong, but sylvanas did everything wrong
verbal relic
thats an evolution
verbal relic
and arthas is vanilla
tulip sun
Comparing how they treat other horde members, Sylvanas is MUCH better
strange falcon
https://i.imgur.com/23XCkj8.png the reveal of those today is possible š¤
zealous basalt
Plox
junior prairie
someone had a theory by the way that each patch will coincide with the warbringers, so 8.1 Is Jaina and Jaina was first warbringers, 8.2 will be Sylvanas cause she was second and third will be Azshara, and since 8.1 has us fight Jaina it might..be true
zealous basalt
And 8.3
hollow dock
it'd be a nice change of pace from the "Azshara is the Ghoulish Daniel" of this expansion
zealous basalt
And rest in pasta faction war?
limber mural
foggy mural
My money's on Vulpera being a neutral allied race that plays both sides
akin to the Pandaren
zinc sandal
They're not doing that. They regret doing that with the Pandaren.
hollow dock
yea.
not to mention
@foggy mural the vulpera already aligned themselves with the horde.
midnight bloom
Don't forget the Death Squads the Alliance have sent in 8.1. Draenei, Drawves, Dark Iron Dwarf Shamans are burning villages, children, and Vulpera; along with Fire Mages
lucid steeple
Glory of the Dazar'alor Raider is this some kinda horde raid or everyone can do it?
hollow dock
they aren't death squads actually @midnight bloom
The alliance side of the development was revealed, they are throwing firebombs at vulpera to scare them off and stop their aid of the horde.
Horde is being lied to on the alliance being evil. just like with the Dazar'alor raid
weak lagoon
I mean we know how the story is going to go, right?
Like...
It's 8.1, the FIRST major patch and we're already into major Horde infighting territory.
Like...
Late-game MoP levels.
And yet it's the FIRST patch.
Sylvanas will be gone from the Horde well before the end of BfA.
uncut vault
No, the Alliance are still being pretty shit, the player just isnāt
weak lagoon
So you'll have a situation where it's like...
uncut vault
The shaman, mages and warlocks are still killing and torturing innocent traders
weak lagoon
Sylvanas gets deposed -> Horde is like "See guys we kicked her out everything's peachy keen now let's stop fighting -> Alliance is like lolwut -> Alliance is now the one keeping the war going
The problem is like... if Blizz emphasizes the idea that with Sylvanas gone, the Horde -is- innocent now... as if Sylvanas personally carries all blame for what's happened and no one in the Horde is even remotely guilty. Which will then lead them to portray the Alliance as bad guys for not taking that excuse.
hollow dock
You said we're at MoP levels
if that were the case, the moment Sylvanas is disposed, the war ends
Which was the goal of Lordaeron's siege.
End the war by getting rid of Sylvanas
weak lagoon
MoP levels of "Horde leaders openly outraged and plotting to overthrow the warchief" ness.
Revolution took until the very end of MoP.
hollow dock
No ones really plotting to overthrow the chief.
weak lagoon
It's still very early BfA and we're already getting there.
hollow dock
Baine isn't happy with anything she's doing
and everyone else is uneasy
but other than Baine's datamined outburst
there's no "infighting" going on
thy're still loyal as, unlike garrosh, Sylvanas isn't alienating anyone in the horde
Publically that is
weak lagoon
You've got Talanji and Baine leading a "Who the fuck put this crazy person in charge" storyline.
They're setting the seeds MIGHTY early.
weak lagoon
Sylvanas getting deposed isn't waiting until the end.
weak lagoon
It will probably come 8.2 if I had to guess.
sullen dagger
also
uncut vault
Talanji openly says alongside Volājin that she trusts Sylvanas as warchief despite all the crap around her gaining the position, all the Volājin stuff is post raid as far as we know
sullen dagger
there's the thing that sylvie rezzes a blood elf
and that for lor'themar is a big no-no
hollow dock
and even then, if I recall proper, the horde's "rebellion" was just to get Orgrimmar back. Garrosh had made his true horde and thrown out everyone else.
So they didn't even dispose of Garrosh properly.
uncut vault
Resurrecting his soldiers is a no-no, resurrecting an independent assassin is muddy water
sullen dagger
still is one of his
uncut vault
Lorash doesnāt serve under Lorāthemar
lucid steeple
Why dose it say we are killing Jaina in this new raid?
hollow dock
You aren't
median cradle
Not happening
hollow dock
it doesn't say that, you're just fighting her
verbal relic
its a fight against her
hollow dock
just like with mekkatorque
lucid steeple
oh ok so you just K/O her
median cradle
Yeah
hollow dock
not even
median cradle
ish
sullen dagger
she bobbledin's out i guess
uncut vault
The recording markers for raid kills always say ā<x boss> killsā in the stats tab
hollow dock
She delays the horde so the alliance gets out.
and when the delay is enough, conviently when her health goes low enough, fight ends
she makes her escape and she's fine.
median cradle
And then peaces out
lucid steeple
oh ok well thats settles that anyways im wondering if blizzard will allow to to getthe eyes from the barber shop OR...spent 15 dollars
for the eyes
median cradle
^
hollow dock
The Night Warrior is a mythos of elune.
hollow dock
The myth goes that Elune became the Night Warrior as a vicious combatant who was able to take the souls of night elves and place them in the stars
like she did with Ysera
uncut vault
Only thing you canāt get in game from player customization is a gender swap, all other customization is in the barber now
hollow dock
and no red.
hollow dock
The Night Warrior is a ritual
jade basalt
Shirvallah the Tiger is the Paladin Loa
Someone didn't do their homework
median cradle
It's a sort of ascension ritual.
hollow dock
Tyrande completes the ritual and the night elf forces with her all become "Night Warriors"
except it's not actually shown well in game
lucid steeple
oh ok thank you Des ā¤
hollow dock
except for tyrande. Tyrande got a nice power boost and just can't get harmed.
but sadly the other night warriors out there arejust cosmetic effects.
So honestly outside of tyrande, it means fuck all if they got dark eyes or not
jade basalt
I'm not sure if all of them become Night Warriors, or if Tyrande is the Night Warrior and the others just get powered up as well.. Only Tyrande has the title, <The Night Warrior>, while the others have just <Army of the Black Moon>
hollow dock
Which all three kinda just make the ritual moot. or the cosmetic rather.
Cuz Tyrande is powerful. Just no one else seemed tog et anything out of it.
jade basalt
Like it's not <Night Warrior>, implying she's just one night warrior, it's <The Night Warrior>.. confusing.
hollow dock
Except dark eyes. For some reason.
really wish blizz was more explanative on why the other forces have dark eyes if they're not actual night warriors.
uncut vault
They havenāt actually explained how others get it yet, they just suddenly do
uncut vault
But in the most recent build the generic ones are called Nightwreathed
hollow dock
that happen to have black eyes.
jade basalt
Red Shirt Guy personally thinks that only Tyrande is the Night Warrior, but the others get powered up as well to become her Army of the Black Moon. I think they may all be Night Warriors, since the "legend" from the past that Maiev tells uses the plural ("warriors" were empowered by Elune).. so it's a bit confusing.
hollow dock
Which is what I first imagined
but that appears to not be the case. As they're normal NPCs.
that just happen to have dark eyes.
jade basalt
@uncut vault Army of the Black Moon was replaced with Nightwreathed ?
uncut vault
Not sure if replaced, but this build added a lot of warfront stuff for the Horde side
Along with it were Nightwreathed X for sentinels, huntresses, druids, and priestesses (finally)
weak lagoon
Wish they'd add freakin' hip/thigh geosets for the mythic mail alliance warfront set.
It looks so incomplete without them.
They're like a standard for high-end armor sets at this point.
hollow dock
I wish they'd design the armor to be more like night elves tbh.
jade basalt
I think they will.
weak lagoon
I mean honestly I love the mail set (though the colors could stand to be darker) except for the missing hip bits.
jade basalt
The legs look horrendously low quality, stretched and blurry. It really, really looks like there should be a 3D part slapped on them. This is how the chest looked in fact, until they later added a 3D plate on it.
uncut vault
Itās how the boots and gloves looked too until a recent build
weak lagoon
Like the stupid thing is in the pre-patch they JUST put out a mount with that purple/gold colorscheme but done so much better.
The Teldrassil Hippogryph pulls off the gold and purple perfectly.
hollow dock
I personally believe the cloth set is spot on, but the rest just. Dunno. Feel off. Colors, except for like one tint, just don't scream to me of Night elf.
weak lagoon
Then for some reason the Warfront sets use the shade of purple/gold from the Vicious Warsaber for some reason/
uncut vault
Well, I wish they had done some colors that werenāt just variants of purple/blue and gold
weak lagoon
Which is lighter and meh.
uncut vault
I wanted to see a warden variant for the plate
weak lagoon
The plate is just fucked up from a design perspective.
It doesn't have any other colors.
It looks like a power ranger.
jade basalt
They completely screwed up the colors. I don't know what happened. If you look up any night elf art that has ever been produced, official art or fan art alike, what we got looks nothing close to anything night elven that was ever made. The closest thing was Hunter Kasparian's armor, but even it did the colors and proportions right.
uncut vault
weak lagoon
Like you can't have the whole set be JUST purple and gold and have it look like anything other than a 13 year old's design.
jade basalt
Yes. I don't know why there isn't a warden recolor. It is stupid.
weak lagoon
The mail set works because it's got brown and black parts too.
But the plate set is BAM PURPLE AND GOLD
hollow dock
It kinda amazes me that a fan edit of the armor looks better than the actual armor
north storm
Ewww
hollow dock
adn we can get banned for implementing it.
jade basalt
Like what the hell are these recolors ?
This is basically a Horde mace. https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/790350.jpg
And this is a Stormwind power ranger weapon. https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/790348.jpg
Imagine if this had come in a forest-green recolor to match Wardens ? The owl-face would fit perfectly with Wardens.
uncut vault
From handclaw, iirc
north storm
Male warden
uncut vault
The brown weapons donāt even match their set
The sets are dark purple and tan, not brown and grey
hollow dock
Red/brown has never been a night elf color to my recollection regardless so why give it to the night elf?
weak lagoon
@jade basalt The problem is that on some weapons, the wine/silver-ish recolor doesn't match the armor. That is blatantly brown.
Like for some reason they chose the Vicious Nightsaber shades of purple/gold.
I have no idea why.
The shade works on that mount because it's white.
What we NEEDED was the Teldrassil Hippogryph shades.
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/news/13441-teldrassil-hippogryph-battle-for-azeroth-mount-preview.png
north storm
Eww
weak lagoon
That's 11ty times better.
north storm
Shitty times better
weak lagoon
Also see the little crescent moon thing under its neck? The crescent moon thing on the plate's belt buckle should be that color setup.
hollow dock
random thought, why is 11 not onety one?
north storm
Yeah lol
jade basalt
That is blatantly brown.
That's because they tried to go for the dark burgundy from Vanilla's iconic druid armor (which has been used a number of times since, in fact practically everytime a night elf has featured in art since) which is purple with a very slight hint of brown. https://effysrponwyrmrestaccord.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/warcraft-night-elf-2.jpg
But it ended up freaking red/brown. Same for the nightsaber mount, just compare the colors :
https://i.imgur.com/nylM8LG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lftZjE8.jpg
north storm
Hot thighs
jade basalt
They just messed it up.
hollow dock
the brown overtakes the purple
jade basalt
I mean the colors
strange falcon
inb4 the graphic designers dont care about nelf nitpicking and just did it without doing much research
jade basalt
Like they just messed up hard https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/790350.jpg
hollow dock
Yes just like the horde talks about their baby whining.
north storm
At this point lore is a shitty joke
weak lagoon
@jade basalt Although in my lovely Sentinel statue I've got it's just straight brown.http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/252607238591-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
strange falcon
is the horde baby whining related to saurfang?
jade basalt
@weak lagoon Yes, it was also straight brown back in the WC3 days/concept art. They also had a very Amazon look, with furry gauntlets etc. Still radically different from what we ended up getting.
weak lagoon
I mean personally I like the new Priestess's Moonsaber.
north storm
Will never exist
north storm
Because you might offend metzen's daughter
north storm
No It's not
weak lagoon
@north storm They've already done the Huntress Kasparian-esque look for the Warfront armor. I bet the Heritage set will look something like that.
north storm
That's a slutmog
hollow dock
that's the night elf armor
north storm
And slutmogs offend people
weak lagoon
Yeah and they literally already made it for NPCs just in a way lower quality than PC armor.
strange falcon
slutmog is a sin but that doesnt stop blizz from adding it
north storm
Good
zealous basalt
What are se ranking about
north storm
You just pointed that elves are sluts
zealous basalt
Talking
weak lagoon
Also Nightborne fem heritage armor shows midriff so. 8P
zealous basalt
Also
hollow dock
CAn we stop feeding the troll?
north storm
I fed vol'jin last month
zealous basalt
Because they are naturally quick
hollow dock
they're also naturally strong.
north storm
Nope
...I have seen an elf butt fked by an orc in goldshire apparently the elf wasn't naturally quicl
strange falcon
but do you mean that if they arent quick enough they die in 1 hit because they dont have much armor
north storm
Quick
hollow dock
No
zealous basalt
In the case they get hit
hollow dock
they can survive a few hits. Even without armor. They're tough little cookies
zealous basalt
Because iirc hitting a night elf is harder than trying to kill a fly
weak lagoon
This piece of art of the warfront set was put out so quickly I have to wonder if it was a Blizz commissioned piece.
And it's got hip bits.
zealous basalt
I dont get it
What are we suppose to see?
Oh
turns bright to max
Ohh
Nice
weak lagoon
Also she's wielding the Sentinel's Moonglaive... FUCKING TEASE FFS.
strange falcon
i dont know,getting stabbed directly in the bare chest surely doesnt make you a great fighter for much longer
north storm
Blizzcon tauren'dorei next race
weak lagoon
My only -real- issue with the mythic warfront mail set (beyond just the lack of hip bits) is the way the "lowered hood" part clips like ASS through long hair.
Like it's bad.
Real bad.
zealous basalt
Its incomplete
hollow dock
and stabbing someonein the ches tis a lot harder than it sounds Dafire.
You should know that being a short little furry :p
zealous basalt
DAMN
weak lagoon
@zealous basalt I dunno the helm looks pretty done.
jade basalt
Got confirmation Mike Morheim will be on stage, not that it's a big surprise
weak lagoon
Don't get me wrong I -love- the helm though. I've wanted SO LONG to get a new, modern version of that Sentinel's faceguard type helmet thingie.
zealous basalt
If I recall correctlt
This mate above
Quiet
Said it needed more work
Due 3d peces needed
north storm
When they'll talk about wow' s next development stages ?
weak lagoon
No the helm already has 3D pieces, lol.
It has the helm itself and then also the "lowered hood" bunched up around your neck.
jade basalt
@zealous basalt I was talking about the Mail set, the legs specifically
The Plate set was missing it's 3D pieces too but they were added a couple builds ago
weak lagoon
Man. Blizzard always has a hard time keeping a lot of armor-crafting professions relevant because of the age-old "how good should crafted armor be allowed to be?" dilemma.
They really just need to go the FFXIV route and have professions the source of neat casual transmog clothes.
Then the stats are irrelevant.
hollow dock
Ah, all the vulpera love got me confused. My bad.
uncut vault
Floaties from Nighthold work great as headdresses
Cause they dig into the back of your cloak on half the races
weak lagoon
The rest of the hat is just so amazing though.
God I love it.
Everything I've always wanted.
sullen dagger
C U R S E D
hollow dock
That's botheringme
hollow dock
yea I've heard those words before
dense plover
its generally the case with animated stuff, and facial clipping
weak lagoon
Man the Wowhead dressing room doesn't have the 3d bits on the chest, gloves and boots.
Annoying.
Also, the feathers on the warfront color variation of the bow are the wrong color. They're purple feathers like on the wine/silver colorscheme.
The purple/gold colorscheme should have the white/black feathers.
Okay I lied. The dressing room has the boot and glove 3d bits but not the chest.
jade basalt
Pre-show starts in 10 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrIbCTWRS4
weak lagoon
God the Wowhead site gets sooooooo laggy if you leave it open too long.
zealous basalt
Nothing for me
sullen dagger
that's weeb
zealous basalt
20 more mins for me
jade basalt
New shop pet, Whomper https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2018/november/whomper.jpg
strange falcon
heroes isnt canon
sullen dagger
heh
aaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha
saurfang is alliance
oooooohboy
som hordeys bonna be salty
dense plover
anduin WAS the one who released saurfang
uncut vault
oof, blizz really doesnt know how to make saurfang look good to horde players
open traitor, even in prepatch
strange falcon
saurfang is very horde in 8.1
just because anduin let him go
doesnt mean he's alliance
sullen dagger
yes, he betrays
strange falcon
e.e
sullen dagger
as all hordeys
terse patrol
Even the Alliance cinematic is about the Horde 8)
dense plover
is he a traitor though? his vow is to the horde
not to sylvanas
if sylvanas is destroying the horde, the honorable thing is to challenge her
but he knows she will cheat
so what should he do?
hardy hedge
In the name of the galatic senate of the Republic
Anybody who supports Sylvanas is now under arrest
hollow dock
I mean. He's not horde at all @strange falcon
He's breaking the blood oath of the horde.
You live, breath, and die for the warchief.
calm hawk
I for one welcome Saurfang to the Alliance. He can join me in a Vulperan Purge Squad
meager warren
How is Saurfang a traitor?
We know he doesn't like Sylvanas and would likely yave wanted her dead or down
uncut vault
he outright said he wanted the horde to lose at lordaeron, and didnt attack the king of the enemy faction, and is now willingly working with them to depose the horde leader
meager warren
Gee,i wonder why
And yes, he did attack the king, actually?
Or he at keast wasn't taken willingly
And he's working with them now because as has been made clear since at least Lordaeron, he is not a fan of the Lich Queen
terse patrol
Iād hold off the outrage for now
Blizzard could be wanting them to be a āsurpriseā
dense plover
wtf
why do zandalari have monk
what pandaren is willing to teach them?
jesus christ
terse patrol
who knows
dense plover
its like blizzard doesnt know their own lore
either that
or they are learning from the horde pandaren
zealous basalt
Well
terse patrol
That might be it idk
night swift
Kul Tiran monks ššš
zealous basalt
Ye
meager warren
Zandalari can be monks but not paladins? 
zinc sandal
Zandalari paladins lost their power when Rezan died
uncut vault
they have their power in 8.1
the first boss of the raid is a full on zandalari paladin
mathias shaw openly calls her one, she uses seals, consecration, and waves of light
zinc sandal
Then Blizzard just hates y'all I guess lol
jade basalt
We're in, r/wow is in an interview with Ion. Worgen & Goblin model updates are still underway.
zealous basalt
Where quiet
uncut vault
havent heard that before
hollow dock
Zandalari were pretty staunchly at war with the elves and never took up arcane magic themselves. Their lesser tribe counterparts did however.
jade basalt
Talking vision of the artifact system now, many Azerite questions..
world quest question now
hollow dock
Oh. Mhmm. Dunno. I can argue tide priests overtook mages in society
jade basalt
Thing is they are very alike to mages and there's even a Tidesage glyph for mage's water elemental.. and they can't be mages.
hollow dock
Yea but with the shamans being allowed
Me thinks its blizz saying that theyre more like shamans than mages
Even though both shamans and mages share the watery theme
jade basalt
Thing is they can even use fire magic and arcane magic
(tidesages)
So it really wouldn't have hurt to give them mages š
zealous basalt
Mind
tulip sun
I don't see a problem with the monks. Ji and the Huojin likely would be extremely open to training
zealous basalt
Can you ask why the decision?
jade basalt
Tidesages have two main types of effects, water and arcane (but also fire, wind, etc.). In fact a lot of their spells are arcane-y water. For example the bridge that leads to the Shrine of the Storm is 80% arcane-y.
zealous basalt
Someone said they lose all power in 8.1
hollow dock
The differences are that mages use arcane arts to control fire and ice/water while the sages commune directly with the elements.
tulip sun
We see prelates even in the raid xD
hollow dock
š¤ never really considered the stuff we see in Shrine to be arcane. Void for certain.
hollow dock
I like how kham is having their moment of pointing out things while we're discussing why they probably dont have those things
Great awareness
jade basalt
Talking about professions / questing / how they interact.
More profession questlines coming
profession specific arcs, new functionality
It should mean something when you say "I'm an X" profession
Legendary item question
Guild perk question since they feel weird now with the Community feature
hollow dock
So we can actually feel like a blacksmith that matters and junk?
zealous basalt
Legendary item?
jade basalt
Talking about Sanguicel now
jade basalt
Some ass sat on front of our camera, so the footage is no longer super high quality.. might just do a transcript
zealous basalt
Quieet
jade basalt
weak lagoon
@jade basalt Someone should suggest that tradeskills be a source for casual transmog gear... like clothes and things. It works great in XIV to keep them relevant without needing them to be able to craft raid-quality equipment!
jade basalt
Yea? @zealous basalt
zealous basalt
Can you ask why shamans and not mages?
hollow dock
We just had that discussion between us
zealous basalt
But I want official talk :c
jade basalt
Okay we also got an interview with WC3 folks in 30m, if you have some questions shoot them
@zealous basalt wasn't more time left
leaden garden
Anyone catch the spoiler in the new hearthstone oack?
terse patrol
Idk why people think Tidesages only use water magic
They can control storms
Storms are a convergence of air and water
uncut vault
they should have both
jade basalt
They mainly use water and arcane, but also fire, earth and air (wind and lightning)
leaden garden
Zanda Pallies here we come
uncut vault
theyre already not a thign atm
meager warren
All these people crying about Saurfang losing his honor while at the sane time, some of them like Sylvanas more
tulip sun
Sylvanas is a bad dudette. But I like her more atm because....well. Look at Saurfang v.v.
Willingly going to jail
terse patrol
Wat
hollow dock
Arson, the horde exists to serve its warchief. Its a totalitarian rule. Is it stupid? Hell ya.
hollow dock
Not like hordies would understand that concept.
jade basalt
Got confirmation The Frozen Throne is included in Reforged
tulip sun
He could have left when we were breaking out other inmates.
or just didn't try to suicide in the first place
terse patrol
@jade basalt Theyāre also adding new stuff between WC3 and Vanilla
tulip sun
Oh?
terse patrol
@tulip sun He knew the Horde wasnāt there to free him.
terse patrol
And apparently Sylvanas wants him dead.
She lies to the Horde player to help find him
hollow dock
Sylvanas just wants to make sure he can't leak secrets to the alliance.
uncut vault
I dont care about him losing his honor, I care about the story focusing on "saurfang feels bad D:" when theres an entire war of relevant characters who arent betraying their faction
tulip sun
Honker
hollow dock
That's it.
tulip sun
Where did they say that
uncut vault
she does not lie to the player, Lyana gives him the choice of coming willingly and quietly
hollow dock
It's very "Black ops" thinking.
terse patrol
Iād have rather had a cinematic about boosting Alliance morale.
uncut vault
and when the horde player returns to Sylvanas instead of helping saurfang, she says that too
terse patrol
Not using the Alliance to push more Horde plot
terse patrol
^
uncut vault
honestly I was against a greymane cineamtic but
Id have prefered that
at least it would be about the alliance
hollow dock
over saurfang being more emo. and alliance helping the horde.
again
only to be backstabbed
by the horde
again
hollow dock
the complications of jaina coming home? Eh just in a questline.
and then it's all fine
uncut vault
I just dont want this "muh honor" stuff to make the horde convoluted, having different viewpoints is a good thing
hollow dock
no lingering hatred of her. just with her 100% all of Kul Tiras
uncut vault
all "muh honor" isnt interesting
terse patrol
The siege of Zuldazar is just to push a plot of the Horde being backed into a corner, and Sylvanas doing a bad thing to try and turn the tide, which ofc pushes he Horde lost honor plot.
the*
hollow dock
ignoring the past 20ish years of hate and fear mongering.
meager warren
- Saurfang didn't go willingly
- Authoritarian Dictators rarely know anything about honor
hollow dock
And yet. The hordes honor is revolving around serving the warchief
The horde lives, fights, anddies for their warchief.
meager warren
But...
Look at Saurfang
hollow dock
Which is why he is a traitor to the horde who has lost his honor
meager warren
The one person who's not a coward gets called a coward
hollow dock
he is openly betraying the horde and plotting to remove Sylvanas as Warchief
We didn't say he's a coward
he's a traitor
He is betraying the horde and plotting to remove its warchief.
that is a traitors plot
meager warren
Does that mean Sylvanasis a traitorsince she sided with the others in bringing Garrosh down?
uncut vault
garrosh exiled them from his horde before she joined in any rebellion
meager warren
/shrug
uncut vault
Sylvanas hasnt exiled anyone, she is willing to let saurfang come back
hollow dock
IF he's willing to come back
which he isn't
In which, she needs to make sure no tales are told
and dead men tell no tales
meager warren
She threatened to raise him if he died a valiant death.
And practically told Baine to fuck offand join him when he defended Saurfang
hollow dock
It's black ops 101. If your VIP filled with state secrets will not come back
you kill them
to make sure those secrets aren't used against you
meager warren
But Sylvanas only tells Nathanos anything
hollow dock
She told him that if he would go off and kill himself in a pointless fight, she will happily raise him.
He broke his honor to the horde when he disobeyed the warchief
meager warren
Maybe the Horde has no honor then
hollow dock
IT NEVER HAS IT COMMITS GENOCIDE
hollow dock
The horde's honor code is obeying the warchief.
I personally believe it has no honor to begin with as it's now committed three separate genocides. Humans/Elves, Draenei and now the Kaldorei
under different warchiefs, but all the same horde.
calm hawk
The Horde Thrall created and the other hordes aren't really the same horde
hollow dock
yes they are
they are the same warriors. The moment one of em got a big enough dick to go back to the old ways
look at how many of "Thrall's horde" gleefully joined them
Look at how many of "Thrall's horde" join up with Sylvanas.
The horde was made to wage war and wipe out people. That's the only reason it was made and there is no leader that is stable enough in the horde to change that.
this is very much the Krogan problem if there were no Wrex.
calm hawk
So the AU Iron Horde is also the Horde?
calm hawk
there are no differences between hordes? All orcs are the same
hollow dock
they are now together
Hell the only difference that the Iron Horde had to the horde on our Draenor
was that our Orcs drank blood.
theirs didnt
the end result was the exact same
dense plover
ITS HAPPENING
hollow dock
enjoy your humanized zandalari paladins =D
hardy hedge
Can someone explain me why are people angry with a charity pet?
Or why are they angry with the cinematic?
jade basalt
For no reason
It's a pet for charity, there is literally no legit reason on Earth someone could be angry about it
People are just being people
hollow dock
The ceinmatic people are angry cuz Saurfang is openly betraying the horde
midnight bloom
Holy crap, don't get triggered in here but did you guys see that absolute King asking that question in the Diablo Mobile QnA?
"Is this an out of season Apirl Fools Joke"
midnight bloom
Im disappointed on the classes for Kul'Tirans and their racials are absolute trash
hardy hedge
Jesus Christ Sylvanas has made so much damage to the community
zealous basalt
What
hardy hedge
I really hope she dies soon
zealous basalt
Wbats happenong
hollow dock
Resistanceto frost and nature is garbage? Having a hot on you after taking damage is garbage?
zealous basalt
Happening
zealous basalt
Also
chrome compass
Also like. Didn't Zandalari paladins like. Become moot due to Rezan being dead. Or am I remembering wrong.
hollow dock
You're not
chrome compass
š¤
hardy hedge
I mean
chrome compass
Tfw Blizz is already retconning BFA lore. Feelskekman
hollow dock
I mean they're not retconning any lore
hardy hedge
They added a Prelate encounter in the raid so they sealed their own fate
hollow dock
as
tulip sun
Not really a retcon
hardy hedge
@hollow dock Sylvanas fans are the most toxic
hollow dock
Rezan was a source of Light for them
chrome compass
I mean fair.
hollow dock
Are you calling Ythisens toxic?
terse patrol
i guess the edgelords are in here full swing
hollow dock
Our glorious ox is not toxic.
terse patrol
Ya'll don't know what a retcon is lmao
midnight bloom
Wait, what are we talking about?
midnight bloom
Because I want Sylvanas's head on a silver platter.
zealous basalt
With punches
zealous basalt
Your shit is 2 much to handle everyone
dense plover
i never noticed
zealous basalt
Come to me
midnight bloom
Yep mrpeach
zealous basalt
raises fists
terse patrol
That Hearthstone art is definitely Kimbul though.
uncut vault
well clearly the HS team didnt either, they reused kimbuls model for shirvallah's card
chrome compass
Kek
zealous basalt
throws gnome to everyone
hollow dock
I mean
they used Varithimas for Mal'ganis
so
they end up using TCG art they already have than make new art
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
hardy hedge
The thing that angers me the most are the comments in the charity pet
jade basalt
They messed up
It's literally Kimbul, even has the eye scar
But they called it Shirvallah
It's like when they messed up with the Skull of the Man'ari artifact card, but they used the Pitlord image
Though that one is because of Wowpedia
hardy hedge
Things like "Wamen and minorities over starving white boys? Blizzard pls!"
Gamer culture is so toxic
zealous basalt
Yes
Why do you think I dislike the communities
They are a bunch of manchildren that no matter what, you can suit their needs
strange falcon
@chrome compass they using shirvallah as the paladin loa apparently
also
i can already predict every single goldfarmer going for zandalari because of the racial that makes you drop more gold...
strange falcon
i can already hear the "horde bias" forum posts
strange falcon
because the horde population is already higher than the alliance
and the hardcore goldfarmers are now being inclined to go horde
from the racial
calm hawk
goblins always had the best gold farm racial but that doesnt mean gold farming goblins actually rolled them
strange falcon
if gold is a cheap material then sure
but i'd argue that bronze is the cheap material(boralus)
so alliance is poor
face it
zealous basalt
we don't need extra gold or cut prizes
hollow dock
I mean
zealous basalt
thats it
hollow dock
you guys don't use bronze
zealous basalt
im going to tife you
hollow dock
yea to supply it with weapons, guards and pay off goblins
jade basalt
Heh, one of the bosses in Battle for Dazar'alor is literally a Kul Tiras mage https://pp.userapi.com/c846419/v846419489/113ed5/vBanCElbmj4.jpg
(and draenei monk)
hardy hedge
strange falcon
i believe blizz themselves said it wasnt going to be Soo again
hollow dock
Why do people constantly ignore what Actually happened with SoO to have it happen
strange falcon
vris,it's called "Dark souls syndrome"
"every hard game is Dark souls" "every dethroning plot is SoO"
hollow dock
Garrosh over the years, starting in cataclysm, alienated moreandmore of the horde all leading up to him giving the boot to anyone he didn't like or wasn't loyal to him andmaking his own 'better' horde
Sylvanas on the other hand has tied more of the horde together, led them in a war without alienating them, and has used her own tactics that she's used since cataclysm
The only people who are outspoken about it are Baine, who's a spineless git who won't actuallydo anything more bark than bite and all that, and Saurfang
who is plotting to betray the warchief
leaden garden
ZANDALARI PALADINS CONFIRMED YAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
hollow dock
which makes him a traitor
strange falcon
@leaden garden shirvallah is your loa now
midnight bloom
Wait, when was it confirmed Zandalaris can be Paladins? Official site shows they can't.
hollow dock
reload the page
jovial skiff
Lol, I thought the same thing until I checked again
Wasn't sure if it was on blizzard or my eyes
terse patrol
so
One of the bosses of the raid is a kul tiran fire mage.
But Kul Tirans can't be mages. š
@hollow dock ripperonis
midnight bloom
YES, time to purge all the disgusting Night Elves with LOA POWER
uncut vault
my hope is that theyre waiting to update the site again when they put in the new allied races
hardy hedge
The only people who are outspoken about it are Baine, who's a spineless git who won't actuallydo anything more bark than bite and all that, and Saurfang
Ehhh
Baine, Talanji, Lilian
uncut vault
talanji is openly supportive of sylvanas
junior prairie
hardy hedge
Talanji did spoke against Derek's raising
junior prairie
@hollow dock
hollow dock
what
uncut vault
post-derek raising, she says that no matter the circumstance, Sylvanas is the warchief
hollow dock
Talanji trusts sylvanas @hardy hedge
uncut vault
alongside spirit of voljin
junior prairie
senpaii saurfang
tulip sun
I think both sides will end up fighting together (Saurfang and Sylvanas_
zealous basalt
no
strange falcon
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/resized/802433.jpg meat wagon mount btw
hardy hedge
@hollow dock Lilian literally says she is not a monster to accept that lol, as well as saying she would protect rhe Tidesage's family at all costs. There is the obvious implication that her loyalties go above Sylvanas
@uncut vault She did say post Derek raising that they should be careful to not step below their honor even after her father's death. The only person who straight up agreed with it was Gallywix
uncut vault
yes, and then with the spirit of voljin stuff, which is after the raid and after dereks raising, she says that shes the warchief, no matter the circumstances
zealous basalt
I swear
between the blizzcon channel
the warcraft channel
i am having a severe headache
terse patrol
Ah, my new death knight mount.
midnight bloom
@timber ivy If you play a Horde Rogue apparently Lilian and Gamora are being forced and are "Just pretending"
hardy hedge
@hollow dock That doesnt contradicr what I just said lol
Sylvanas is not the Forsaken
hollow dock
yes she is?
The desolate council worksfor hernow.
There's no rebel factions within the forsaken anymore
hardy hedge
And?
hollow dock
That litearllymeans the leader representsher people
hardy hedge
Sylvanas is not every single Forsaken in the world either. The implication is that Lilian doesnt trust Sylvanas
The leader represent the people. The leader is NOT the people
hollow dock
Trust and being outspoken to Sylvanas are very different things.
As stated: there are only 2 people outspoken to Sylvanas.
hardy hedge
Otherwise she would have just killed the Tidesage's family since that seems to be the Forsaken MO
hollow dock
As stated: there are only 2 people outspoken to Sylvanas.
Plenty of people don't trust her, but that doesn'tmean they aren't loyal or againsther.
midnight bloom
Its like Trump, probably a few people who dont like him but they're not going to say anything about; doesn't mean they're not against him
hollow dock
let's not bring realworld politics into this.
A better example would be: Ghoulish daniel.
Plenty of people never trusted Daniel, but he was still followed and commanded loyalty.
hardy hedge
Just like with Garrosh. Only one person was openly against him by the time of Cata
hardy hedge
What?
hollow dock
Literally, everyone even advised thrall to not votein garrosh
alot of people were outspoken about garrosh becoming and being warchief.
hardy hedge
Yes but by the time of Cata they ended up accepting him except for Vol'jin
uncut vault
literally he didnt even get out of the book without having the main leaders of the horde against him
hollow dock
where they sent in representatives
uncut vault
voljin instantly left
hardy hedge
Baine was okay about it even after his father's death. Lor"themar turned far later, Gallywix only turned because he didnt pay him
hardy hedge
I said Cata
hardy hedge
By the time of Cata the only person who was really openly against Garrosh was Vol'jin
hollow dock
and I'm ignored.
hardy hedge
The other Horde leaders didnt like it
hollow dock
Aight
hollow dock
My example doesn't matter as you're clearly showing
hardy hedge
Yes but by the time of Cata they ended up accepting him except for Vol'jin <
hardy hedge
And I am saying by the time of Cata. Tides of War is post-cataclysm
uncut vault
yes and at the moment, with the logic you have with garrosh, this is Sylvanas' cataclysm
she has as many people openly against her as garrosh did during cata
hardy hedge
She has more actually, both Baine and Saurfang
hollow dock
and by the time of cataclysm right
before its end
during it
Carine
was outspoken of garrosh
even challenging him for the seat of warchief
Which you ignored the first time I brought it up
but then you said it was after
hardy hedge
That was befoee Cataclysm. After Cairne died and the truth was revealed Baine accepred Garrosh
hollow dock
which I brought up an example of after where people were still against garrosh
Carine died when Garrosh was made warchief. that is as the cataclysm is starting
hardy hedge
It was a little before the Cataclysm, but even then, and again, once Baine took over he accepted Garrosh as Warchief
hollow dock
Out of all the people thrall spoke to, all of them told him to notmake garrosh warchief. Including garrosh.
Because they were at war at that point.
But as seen at the end of cataclysm
he falls in line with Vol'jin
during Tides of War
As well as Sylvanas and Lor'themar
To the point that Lor'themar wanted out of the horde
hardy hedge
Well, and Vol'jin unilaterally made Sylvanas Warchief. As you said, just because they didnt trust him doesnt mean they didnt follow him
jade basalt
Red moon from Nazmir is behind Dazar'alor https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/507467367656194048/508046539198038047/0fadbce66f8d69b23b7832bb5801bc70.png?width=1063&height=584
hollow dock
and noneof this has to do with anything onwhat I said
which is there are only 2 people outspoken about sylvanasnow
A traitor anda coward
uncut vault
yeah rastakhan activates his deal after the first horde boss
then mekkatorque comes in
with grong
jovial skiff
I can't believe I have to end up rolling like 3 pallies to max level now! Thanks blizzard!
hardy hedge
Garrosh only had a traitor too, and he was still dethroned. Baine himself says he cant stand Sylvanas's Horde after Derek's raising and goes in the Vol'jin quest because he cant believe he made her Warchief. What's your point? That the rebellion is gonna fail? That there is no dissent against Sylvanas?
west relic
Big differences
jovial skiff
Well
Lightforged is the obvious
And now zandalari because they'll be cool
And then uhh umm uhh you know
Dark iron?
north storm
So they talked about 8.1 was expecting 8.2+
hardy hedge
Cinematic for Tyrande
hollow dock
Oh good we get to see Tyrande do fuck all in realistic CGI
hardy hedge
jade basalt
Hmm looks like that KT armor is updated and higher rez
hollow dock
@junior prairie
dense plover
and it looks like they dropped the shoulders
i approve
and it looks like they dropped the shoulders
dense plover
no
dense plover
steel venture
blizzard you
somehow
got me to not hate malfurion
keep him acting like this.
thank you.
hollow dock
I'm not tricked so easily.
hardy hedge
Holy fuck
Did Illidan infuse some of his badassery into his brother
He went from Malfurion to Chadfurion
Holy fuck
hollow dock
Someone didn't read Elegy/A good war
steel venture
no the thing is malfurion always was better in novels generally.
but he was a fucking whiny pussy bitch in game
uncut vault
well, his problam was that sometimes hes too good in novels
night swift
ANd now zandalari are less appealing
uncut vault
way too godlike in the war of the ancients trilogy
hardy hedge
But Des weren't you the one who keep saying the ingame version of the game is the canon one? Ingame Malfurion was lame
Lol
hollow dock
It's the one I consider canon. Doesn't mean he wasn't portrayed a badass in the books.
dense plover
models for gobbos and worgen in 8.2.5
agile token
YEEEEEEEEEES
strange falcon
@junior prairie
hollow dock
@dense plover Do we see a preview of the goblins by chance?
hollow dock
so 8.2 is Nazjatar?
agile token
Yes
languid yoke
dense plover
hollow dock
Alright that knocks out the idea that Sylvanas is the next boss
With Nazjatar being next
terse patrol
@hollow dock TOLD YOU
hollow dock
azshara is the next boss
terse patrol
REEEEE
strange falcon
nah
hollow dock
that isn't naga
strange falcon
thats neutral allied race
hollow dock
there aren'tgoing to be any neutral allied races
steel venture
its jinyu v2
strange falcon
nazjatar is going to be the perfect repeat of suramar
well,ya got ji firepaw in the horde embassy
ya not going to get 1 neutral to mirror pandas
midnight bloom
Did you even hear what he said, ALliance meete the new naga
While Horde meet crabs, sea goblins
terse patrol
HAHAHAAH