things*
#beta-ptr-spoilers
sullen dagger
uncut vault
@stiff vector This is the only discord I share with you so figured Id ask here, with your modelviewer, is there a way to actually see textures on models have have multiple variations? Wanting to see what that new dark ranger bow actually looks like.
tulip sun
I just find them odd official titles
Sandwalkers I kinda like(despite it being odd for a Draenei maybe?)
P.s. is that a new draenei?
hollow dock
yea the 77 day thing broke in legion as well
hollow dock
Back in legion everyone assumed the patch cycle was every 77 days
but with 725 to 73, it surpassed the 77 day thing.
limber mural
jovial skiff
yw
stiff vector
@uncut vault not yet, those require database interaction and that is still WIP
north storm
This wow dataminers are thirsty
Like and subscribe to cu....So they will be thirsty no more
cinder knoll
@sullen dagger yes it is, I saw it on wowhead but I'm sure it will be also on official web
I guess this is what you wanted
uncut vault
Something newsworthy, Blizzard Korea’s YouTube channel may have leaked the next hearthstone xpac, Brawl of Rastakhan as a rough translation
strange falcon
well,obviously,what else could it be other than bfa crossover expac
terse patrol
@uncut vault need moar leakz
terse patrol
GOOD
sullen dagger
yeppers
terse patrol
sad that the chimera will be neutral though
sullen dagger
chimera is horde only, the scorpion is for both
no?
or did i read wrongly?
i did read properly
chimera is horde only
pulsar iris
any word on 7th legion or honorbound rep tokens?
zealous basalt
Yes
zealous basalt
Omake said it
terse patrol
@sullen dagger where does it say that
hardy hedge
Horde is doing cultural nelf appropiation
Else the Horde will feel sad that they are not winning
hardy hedge
They are talking about the chimaera
zealous basalt
I thought horde has chimeras too
hollow dock
that's still not appropriation as yea
zealous basalt
Had
hollow dock
Iron Horde has Chimeras. Hell since the horde was around longer, the horde is the ones who had chimera first.
through the Rylaks
hollow dock
Rylaks are chimeras though
terse patrol
They're similar, not the same.
Different planets.
Thats like saying Sporregar are the same as the Fungi people in Kul Tiras
@hollow dock
hollow dock
but the sporregar are a completely different species. Where-as the Rylak is more or less a subspecies of the chimera.
jade basalt
They're unrelated
It's just that they couldn't have bothered just changing the heads of the rylak to make them actually chimaeras (like they changed the heads of each Ancient), they literally just painted them purple.. shame.
terse patrol
It just sucks, that a night elf unit is being given to the Horde.
jade basalt
Is it ?
terse patrol
Apparently
hollow dock
and considering that Outland has mutated chimeras
jade basalt
That'd be surprising
hollow dock
we can say that yea. The rylaks are of the same species no?
terse patrol
So what? This is specifically a Ashenvale/Darkshore chimaera, which the night elves use.
Giving it to the Horde because "lmao rylaks" is stupid.
hollow dock
no? it's a rylak
jade basalt
No no, but it's a case of model re-use confusion. Basically the chimaeras are from Azeroth. They existed long before the Dark Portal even opened from Draenor. But Draenor had a kind of resembling species called rylak. These rylak were changed by Draenor's sundering, and this result is also called "chimaera", but it's probably because anything with 2-heads is basically a chimaera.
jade basalt
Where does it say the chimaera is only for Horde ? @terse patrol
zealous basalt
Omake said it
hollow dock
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OffGPYN6AHk/maxresdefault.jpg it's certainly a rylak
steel venture
... because you can actually use rylaks as a mount
the vanilla chimera model is not mountable.
it canonically is just a chimera though.
hollow dock
yes and that is what the horde is supposedly getting. A rylak modeled mount
Not a chimera modeled mount. they're not getting something the alliance already doesn't have access to.
terse patrol
Why are you intentionally being obtuse.
hollow dock
They're not getting the WC3 unit or the ones we see in the wild.
Because you're being ridiculous honk
steel venture
???? IIRC, it's just a rare that is going to be neutral due to the jeweled armor.
If it was Horde-only, it'd probably be modified like the horde-horse from the Warfront.
hollow dock
that's what Honk is moaning about today, Nile.
Welcome to the discussion.
Anyways, Omake's link shows that there's no proof that the Rylak is being horde only. as the link only covers the vendor stuff.
The cat stays alliance.
bat stays horde.
steel venture
TBH: What'd I'd be more interested in if they actually used the old, scrapped chimera from WoD with some fur thrown on it to represent an Azerothian chimera.
This one, it was never used.
hollow dock
I'd like that one tbh.
steel venture
Throw on a mane and it's basically an azerothian one.
hollow dock
Did see it when was searching and was amazed by the detail on it
steel venture
It even matches the weirdness of how Chimeras are actually supposed to look really well, the only thing that'd need to be adjusted would have manes, give it a few fur patches on the tail. done.
NGL: I never liked the rylak model because it looked too much like a "dog" versus "magical-breathing mammalian beast"
It's just not a good mount in general as a reward >>;;;
"Look it's a purple Soaring Skyterror with some borrowed assets from the Iron Skyreaver + copypasted gems that we're calling a chimera."
Like, if this is what Blizzard's considering an Azerothian chimera now. I guess I can just have one of my night elves use the soaring skyterror as an IC chimera now?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
steel venture
The chimera's ... neutral.
hollow dock
Rylaks not unique tho
junior prairie
dolly and dot are my best friends :V
zealous basalt
Oh
feral dune
they are trying to set expectations for games this year as low as possible
jade basalt
.. Would you rather they focus entirely on 8.1, of which we already know practically everything ?
Because I totally prefer that they focus on the future of WoW, and 8.2+.
hollow dock
I'd love for them to explain how the darkshore scenario slipped by everyones eyes in it's original state tbh
zealous basalt
I thought they said they wont focus on 8.1
hollow dock
BlizzCon you’ll be hearing us talk mainly about what comes after Tides of Vengeance.
So
Wanna explain Fab?
feral dune
@hollow dock they already denied all gossips about diablo 4 and just posted this post
asking not to go ahead with your expectations
hollow dock
Right. but there was a video released on diablo
jade basalt
That's because the Diablo team screwed up.
hollow dock
which also put down those rumors
jade basalt
The WoW team is not lowering our expectations, it's literally the opposite.
hollow dock
was released like 3 months before blizzcon
jade basalt
They're literally saying "well you guys already know and have seen everything about 8.1 so there wouldn't be much reason to focus on that, we're going to focus on the future"
hollow dock
it's not phrased negatively?
jade basalt
I don't know, didn't sound particularly negative to me
feral dune
aye, if read about this again it does sound different
but from first read it really sounded negatively
hollow dock
As you all are probably aware, we’ve been hard at work on the upcoming Tides of Vengeance content update. We are very excited for this update and it is very much our immediate focus and will continue to be until after we’ve delivered it to you all. At BlizzCon you’ll be hearing us talk mainly about what comes after Tides of Vengeance. We do plan on discussing some of it, but as many of you know, BlizzCon is where we typically talk about longer term goals and plans. The feedback you all have given us about Battle for Azeroth is something we are very grateful for and we can’t wait for you to experience everything coming with Tides of Vengeance.
this paragraph
it doesn't sound negative
jade basalt
There was also Muffinus tweeting that there wouldn't be 8.1 talk at BlizzCon. But then he deleted that tweet, so some people probably thought it was wrong and that there would actually be 8.1 at BlizzCon. So this post clarifies that there won't be much 8.1, just a bit, the main focus is the future of WoW, because we've already seen all of 8.1.
uncut vault
Sounds like a “we know you want this, but we aren’t doing that” in the same vein as the diablo announcement
uncut vault
Even though them not talking about 8.1 is a good thing
jade basalt
I don't know, it doesn't come across like this for me
hollow dock
Outside of my question of "What the fuck sort of drugs were the QA team doing when Darkshore was handed to them", there's notmuch we want to know about 8.1
uncut vault
I suggest reading the Q&A thread, most of them are about either high elves or 8.1
jade basalt
They're probably going to talk a bit about the second raid, Crucible of Storms.
uncut vault
Be it systems, story, or class balance
jade basalt
Well, the questions can't be on content we don't know much about
So questions will focus on the current game/8.1, yeah.
zealous basalt
Most of the questions seem demands
jade basalt
Plus a few random questions like "Why doesn't Khadgar have a last name, why is he so mysterious?" like last year of course.
uncut vault
Cause everyone and their mom wants to be Red Shirt Guy and call Blizz out at blizzcon
jade basalt
There was also "When are we getting more slutmogs and platekinis"
And "why are there holes in boss room ceilings"
hollow dock
Like it's a very minor thing, and I absolutely did not even think about it until now.
but now it's slightly buggingme
jade basalt
90% of characters in WoW don't have a last name
uncut vault
Eh, same as Kel’thuzad being the only human with a clearly evil sounding one word name
uncut vault
Orcs have the excuse of named after deeds
zealous basalt
Ye
uncut vault
Doomhammer and the like
jade basalt
And clan names
hollow dock
Go'el Frostwolf
jade basalt
I meant more like "Durotan of the Frostwolf clan"
But yeah. 90% of characters in WoW don't have a last name. It's mostly elves that do. See night elves. Or tauren.
hollow dock
high and void as well.
jade basalt
All kinds of elves.
uncut vault
I still always wonder if Blackhand had a normal name before picking up the doomhammer against the ogres or if his parents just named him badly
jade basalt
His hand was tattood in black
uncut vault
Yeah but not from birth 😛
hollow dock
I thought that was his last name
jade basalt
He picked up the Doomhammer later
It is his last name
His kids are Rend Blackhand, Maim Blackhand and Griselda Blackhand
uncut vault
And also why he named his daughter Griselda and not Rip or Tear to continue the tradition of abused from birth children
jade basalt
Fair !
hollow dock
"These are my two sons, Beezelbub and Asmoedeus" <walks over to daughter> "and this is my daughter, Jenny."
My headcanon is that Warchief Blackhand just spoiled Griselda and actually gave her a name.
uncut vault
Well, didn’t he send the wc1 player to go murder her for banging an ogre
hollow dock
Quiet don't ruin my headcanon.
terse patrol
wanna know what would be cool
If Blizzard remade WC1 and 2 but it has story like WC3
midnight bloom
MRW we don't get Sethrak as an Alliance Race and instead we get those damned Mecha/Junker Gnomes; I'll have to go on a Heresy Purge through all Horde controlled areas
sudden oak
hey we have nothing to do with that if you want to purge someone purge those who wanted the mecha/junker gnome
uncut vault
Ey, gnome fans have a right to want content
uncut vault
Not like gnome fans asked to replace sethrak
midnight bloom
Granted, I rather be shoulder to shoulder with Gnome fans than Elven fans who want even MORE elves.
frozen dust
Junker gnomes would be the first thing to ever even begin to tempt me to make a gnome
midnight bloom
I can agree with that. Gnomes look awful, even with their updated models.
zealous basalt
Fifht
zealous basalt
Why cant we have all
Snakes, gnomes and elves?
Rather than have discussions like these
midnight bloom
@sudden oak @hollow dock
sudden oak
hollow dock
@zealous basalt because there isn't enough time to implement all of them at once.
frozen dust
40K
midnight bloom
Couldn't fit this comic here but Nurgle = People still wanting more elven races and San'yln; Marines = everyone else who's tired of people asking for more elves or want something that isn't elves :3 https://imgur.com/a/vvNjM8k
sudden oak
I mean most people that wants elves doesnt care to wait a little more
blizzard said that wanted ideas for allied races
and they are giving them
midnight bloom
Ehhh... we'll agree to disagree on that one. I can't tell you how many times I see one to three post on the Offical Forums, MMO - Champion, and WoWHead constantly asking for ether High Elves and or San'ylan; and in MMO - C there's usually always two to three post, with a 12 paragraph essay as to why they should exist 
🔫
hollow dock
yes people are passionate
Hell
they made the junker gnomes allied race idea solely based off of some unused maps
midnight bloom
They're not even old forum post that have over 500 pages, it's a new 500 PAGE forum post aahaha
hollow dock
that called them junker gnomes.
that's passion right there.
Legit, the name "Junker Gnome" never appears in game and the group of Gnomes in Kul tiras are never called as such. It's just what the doodads and maps are called.
midnight bloom
You're correct, and as it stand, being the avid Sethrak Believer, they still have more in-game to suggest them being part of the Alliance than these new gnome types
And I know the ongoing theory is. Gnome Leader is frozen in stasis so he doesn't die and can be saved - using technology, everyone else who is just use to not having tech and or only use magic think he's dead. We some how take him to this ruined Gnome Village, unlock the door to it, discovered it's filled to the brim with these new gnomes and than we get them as a Allied Race.
Ironically for that entire theory is, usually, Allied Races are races we've encountered before and in most cases, races that are at least one expansion old to two, not three or four
hollow dock
Vulpera are certainly being made into an allied race though. Same with Void Elves and Highmountain and Nightborne and Lightforged
midnight bloom
I miss wrote, due to typing to fast but one key thing I forgot to mention is, when they introduce new allied races, we at least interact with them before they become them. So as it stands we've interacted and have seen Sethrak and Vulpera, like with the Void Elves, Lightforged, Highmountain, Nightborne yet we haven't come across any of these Junkers
Granted, Zandalari and Kul'Tiras are being released at the last raid wing is placed on LFR, there is still ample time to introduce these new gnomes
hollow dock
well. To be fair
we don't interact with teh void elves
at all
only when recruited
so the gnomes, if they are a thing, would follow that same track
uncut vault
We meet the void elves before they become void elves
So being present beforehand isn’t required
frozen dust
Void elves were like that one scene from The Nerds
hollow dock
they can very much pull anything out of their ass for the alliance allied races
frozen dust
"You see someone on your path that you've never seen before"
"You seem trustworthy. Would you care to join our honor quest?"
"Yes. Yes I would."
muted canopy
clearly high elves
midnight bloom
Clearly High Elves You're making me and this puffer fish attacking dog angry, cease and desist
hollow dock
high elves yes pls
jovial skiff
nah, too boring/similar to blood elf
also we have enough generic elf
I personally want more interesting variations
midnight bloom
Skylor and me are brothers in arms against the elven insisters
uncut vault
Yeah man, it’s horrible we’re getting Zandalari, we’ve already got five generic trolls! 😤😤😤
And those damn Kul tirans, we don’t need another Titanforged 😠😠
jovial skiff
lol, good job dramatically misrepresenting my post!
zealous basalt
I want in too
Let me check
Ehh...
Hmm
Oh ye "people will just change for those boring classes cuz op racials, everyone wants extra swim speed"
zealous basalt
I thought u were alliance
uncut vault
I play both sides
Mainly RP alliance with high elf bro, but my game mains are a belf (who I RP as a dark ranger) hunter and troll Druid
jovial skiff
rp
cringe tbh
uncut vault
Oof, one of those nerds
jovial skiff
and?
jovial skiff
What?
river dew
ɪ saw something about racials and instantly thought of how they ruined the Blood Elf's racial ability.
hollow dock
They didnt ruin it
IMO they made it slightly more powerful
But less frustrating to fight against
Removing buffs is hella OP.
jovial coral
Fantasy wise perhaps
hollow dock
It makes more sense fantasy wise too :x
jovial coral
Does it?
hollow dock
They suck magic out of beings. That would be buffs
Thats what arcane torrent does
It drains magic out of things around the elf
jovial coral
Fair enough
hollow dock
But that caused a silence for years. Which honestly didnt make much sense.
jovial coral
The Tauren racial is cool but I'm not convinced
uncut vault
tfw 11 pm build, three days before blizzcon
oh good, the scorpions got changed to krolusks
unique crag
How big was the build
uncut vault
well its currently broken and cant be downloaded
jovial skiff
New mechanical enemies possibly related to the gnomergan pet dungeon?
just a guess, shot in the dark here
crimson wasp
Ooooo that sounds nice
unique crag
Mechagnomes inc?
stiff vector
@uncut vault broken how
also it should be several GB
maybe 8-10
and no that is not 8-10GB of new content, just file format updates mostly to remove more filenames
uncut vault
Anyone else still having the update problem, or do I need to redownload the PTR client
north storm
what's that anomaly behind mekkadork ?
uncut vault
Grong the Revenant
north storm
Ah. Reminds me of a punk high on drugs
Also new patch ?
it was about time
by the looks of it
as a spoiler
orcs have more beautiful males than females
no wonder they are needed to rape other races.
heck no, that chimp girl
uncut vault
Not the discord for that kind of talk
uncut vault
nothing that you said has anything to do with spoilers
north storm
I can prove you wrong
proud dome
The Tauren racial is a callback to Warcraft 3
sullen dagger
ww?
zealous basalt
Windwalkers
sullen dagger
oh did they get nerfed?
didnt read the patchnotes
i miss the meter-long patchnotes, now they are all hotfixes
zealous basalt
I see a low % reduction on the Auras
Well
Probably they will give a complete patch note in the day of the patch
Seems like Jaina's fight you gotta have high hp at all moments
tulip sun
I do like the ideas for wow though :P
zealous basalt
Noes
mystic heart
Is servers down?
junior prairie
D: why is there...so much speculation on mecha-gnomes >_<
hollow dock
Because of some doodads and unused maps
sullen dagger
they should cut the crap and release high elves
junior prairie
I should rephrase..why is there such a "omg mecha-gnomes confirmed" push from people
We don't need a mecha/half-gnome robot race...maybe as a customisation quest like night-warrior sure..but an allied race? internally dies
hollow dock
one can easily turn that argument around and say we don't need high elves.
just as a heads up
junior prairie
in which case we don't really need any allied race :3 I just meant like...option for a half/gnome robot thing is cool if it's a night warrior like quest..just not as a flat out race
sullen dagger
well, all allied races can be customization options since they are subraces
lemme rephrase that
they could
hollow dock
Which I honestly would prefer more tbh
steel venture
Inb4 the new allied races are the HD worgen and goblin models
strange falcon
if you think about it,sethrak are the HD worgen testbed,and the goblin models testbed are the vulpera
🤔
hollow dock
but they're just in HD and Low D
not really Dafire
Sethrak share things from worgen, nelves, and pandaren.
steel venture
Sethrak have more of a modified arakkoa skeleton too
strange falcon
yes,i've heard that story before des,
strange falcon
it's a figure of speech
hollow dock
wat
strange falcon
steel venture
Sethrak = Arakkoa / Worgen / Pandaren / Nelf.
with some of the new BFA anims thrown in.
hollow dock
Like the Heart of Azeroth
steel venture
And the barrel anims.
strange falcon
one of my most tinfoil theories that has extremely little to no evidence at all,is that Sethrak were made as the compromise race since they havent been able to make naga work as playable races for 14 years
steel venture
If they do make them playable, they'll probably use the sethrak skeleton.
Naga brutes show they can have legs.
hollow dock
well the brutes* can have legs
muted canopy
also murlocs were part of the naga in wc3 tft
hollow dock
yes the murlocs are slaves
sullen dagger
but iirc all naga serve azshara, and they are evil
why a playable character of an evil race?
hollow dock
Not all
verbal relic
maybe a new naga race will come with nazjatar patch
hollow dock
but most.
sullen dagger
i mean it dont make any sense
uncut vault
Naga explicitly do not all serve Azshara
hollow dock
There are Naga in the illidari.
sullen dagger
99%?
muted canopy
blizzard's argument would be that they're controlled by azshara and therefore are evil. but, dark irons served ragnaros and were considered the same. having dark irons join the alliance, that could be a way for them to make naga as a playable race
hollow dock
and there are Naga that join the Legion
but outside of these, they do exclusively serve their Queen as of Chronicles
sullen dagger
differencie is , azshara created the naga and is still alive. ragnaros were just idolatred by dwarves. and its dead
hollow dock
You do realize Sandra that we also beat ragnaros and accepted Moira, their queen, into the alliance before the dwarves came in right?
Well no
muted canopy
i think that they joined illidan in wc3 and the legion later on, but only as allies and are still under azshara
hollow dock
N'zoth made the naga
sullen dagger
well yes, but you get me
hollow dock
Unknown if the Coilskar are still aligned with Azshara or not Sandra
I imagine the answer is no
considering they spent the last 20ish years in Marduun
hollow dock
It isn't. But killing Azshara won't "Free" the naga by any means.
sullen dagger
we should kill n'zoth and still they wont feel any more inclined, after we killed his father/Creator and her queen, to join any side
strange falcon
@verbal relic it's probably going to be the 3 tentacled nzoth naga we can see in the miniraid after dazar'alor raid
sullen dagger
i mean i'm pretty sure the original citizens of azshara's city are dead
hollow dock
They were
verbal relic
they transformed as naga dont they ?
sullen dagger
yep
hollow dock
Not undead, but made alive again by the old god.
hollow dock
We know htis cuz several of Azshara's actual handmaidens were killed by the sinking but made Naga later. So hey N'zoth is able to rip souls from the shadowlands and return em alive.
Yes they absolutely did.
re-watch the Azshara warbringers cinematic. Those people are dead and drowned.
verbal relic
you can se as the description of the last boss of the seond raid coming
hollow dock
Like the entire capital flooded guys
verbal relic
When she struck her bargain with N'Zoth ten thousand years ago, Queen Azshara offered one of her most devoted followers into the Old God's service. Now Uu'nat and the crawling masses he commands herald the coming of their master, as foretold by the stars.
hollow dock
Yes
that does not at all mean they did not ya know
DROWN AND DIE first
which si what the Azshara warbringers cinematic shows
Why are you all quick to dismiss that
zealous basalt
Sneks are epitaph of all the animations and skeletons in wow
hollow dock
Like waves hitting you at the speeds shown do kill. Azshara managed to dampen the damage done to her and the people she bubbled up to try and save her empire, not necessarily the people mind you, but everyone else in that city got tossed around by the raging water and that drowns peeps
strange falcon
makore,are you saying that sneks are blizz's patchwork masterpiece,
hollow dock
they are
zealous basalt
Yes
Although
More like
Blizz's reusing animation masterpiecr
It's like a chimera of animations
strange falcon
female sethrak dont have breasts omake
zealous basalt
Yeah dafire
hollow dock
they have snitties
zealous basalt
Tf is wrong with tou
sullen dagger
S N I D D I E S
hollow dock
flat or not
zealous basalt
They are a masterpiece
sullen dagger
💯
zealous basalt
And they gonna be alliance
hollow dock
back to undyne cuz I fucked up my pattern
zealous basalt
Take that Horde Bias
sullen dagger
undyne?
muted canopy
itty bitty titty committee?
strange falcon
is vris playing undertale?
zealous basalt
SPEAKING OF
sullen dagger
the crusade of the snittie
zealous basalt
WHST WAS THE NEWS
verbal relic
a new undertale extension ?
zealous basalt
WoW + Undertale
sullen dagger
nani?
sullen dagger
ah undertale
sullen dagger
is that the undertale new thingy?
hollow dock
Yup
zealous basalt
Is it a mmo?
zealous basalt
grabs mace
strange falcon
the site itself literally tells you to please not spoil it to anyone
sullen dagger
kek
strange falcon
amazing
zealous basalt
All I want is the genre of the game
hollow dock
Mak. Is undertale an MMO?
zealous basalt
No but there have been cases that games have a genre twist
hollow dock
Do you think an indie game would turn fromindie RPG to an MMO? One man can't do that much work
strange falcon
that ones a few weeks old
hollow dock
never seen it til now.
Also. @terse patrol The chimera is neutral, horde can get nightsabers. just not the armored one.
terse patrol
i can stomach it
Kinda wish the Horde one was the Dawnsaber they pulled from the game, looks good with Blood Elves.
hollow dock
Kinda wish they didn't. Can't stand my darling kittens being beaten by the horde and broken and junk
terse patrol
ah
frozen dust
So whats the Horde mount the Alliance tames
A platform being carried by four goblins
hollow dock
pls
junior prairie
forsaken nightsaber... XD
junior prairie
XD forsaken druid then :3 ride on back of undead malfurion
junior prairie
XD
junior prairie
"Me and Malfurion have one rule in bed, No shape shifting! I'm not into that.!" I still love that joke
hollow dock
WC3 I imagine
junior prairie
HoTS I'm sure @zealous basalt
jade basalt
Dark moonwell, probably for Tyrande's ritual https://gfycat.com/UnimportantCornyGermanshorthairedpointer
hollow dock
I really hope that's just repurposes from void stuff and not actually meant to represent void stuff
dense plover
The night warrior stuff isn’t void stuff
Dark and shadowy isn’t always void
The moon has a dark and a light side
hollow dock
yes and not everyone will understand that and blizz can always turn around and say it is void stuff.
tis a simple hope of mine.
jade basalt
Apparently she casts a kind of Void-y looking spell at the end of the scenario. But this "dark" well isn't exactly Void-y, just "dark".
Void spells tend to use 2 color schemes, the one on the left and the one on the right https://i.imgur.com/MNTywjb.jpg
Sometimes with stars thrown in
hollow dock
Still doesn't do much to settle my concerns
dense plover
It’s not void. That’s like saying falling stars is void
Or that new moon is void
A total eclipse is dark, but it isn’t void
meager zodiac
its just like the black moon that shines in darkshore
its darkness emanating light, the sisters of the moon fight realy ilustrate that duality realy well
and its so elune like, its starts with a beam of light
feral dune
Well, Velen speculated that Elune might be Naaru
and Naaru can become void entities (or how they called)
makes you think
meager zodiac
wel she is probably something more
she can do both and still be pure
so if this is for the ritual, does this mean the part where it goes black, its going to be ingame cinematic like genn and katherine talking about jaina
zealous basalt
I think it is just a dark color
meager zodiac
or something more like an actual cinematic like jaina gets to lordaeron.
im honestly curious what to expect of those missing moments, because we do have some tyrande voice files that probably fit in there
zealous basalt
Inb4 "nathanos, you arent lordaeronian, you are sugandese"
gentle aurora
Bonus Armor on new heirlooms? Hmm.
frozen dust
I can see where Des is coming from on being worried about it
river dew
That dark blue one totally isn't the same portal ɪ summon when summoning my Voidlord
frozen dust
They could take literally every precaution to assure us it's not void shit but what's stopping them from going "AHA FOOLED YOU WE WERE ABSOLUTELY PLANNING ON THE VOID THIS WHOLE TIME" later on
zealous basalt
It's the first time we see Elune's power as the dark side of the moon
midnight bloom
Anyone here hungry? Im making myself a sandwhich
meager zodiac
i think its elune, why would be void when a beam of light comes down and light is still emanating from the darkness
zealous basalt
Its just
Probably a multischool
Arcane+shadow
Or just
A different kind of magix
Like Solar
And Plasma
Just a new type of magic called
Dark Moon?
frigid crater
🤔
tropic trail
are there bigger bags than 32slots on PTR?
uncut vault
Discussion from earlier, she does use actual void spells on Horde side, it doesn’t look like that, but instead like the void orbs that mobs use in Legion, or the one summoned by spriests when they activated voidform in Legion
hollow dock
Which again makes me really hope they arent just making elune this entity of void or light or corrupting tyrande. Cuz that is a copout I just will not accept.
zinc sandal
midnight bloom
I LOVE that image Lazaeris
feral dune
This is gold
frozen dust
Haw
midnight bloom
I'm gonna do all you Elf Sympathizers a favor WoW Elf Fans = Man who wants his sandwhich/Sandwich = High Elfs/Dog = Blizzard https://www.instagram.com/p/BoMmysKAmVC/?taken-by=misterbubz
hardy hedge
rough cloak
Most people who play elves are already high...on themselves
river dew
ɪ play a blood elf just for the racial and they look decent.
Their arrogance is meh though.
unique crag
Is there any ETA on when PTR servers will be up?
plain vigil
Matt Mercer and Darin De Paul are two of the four judging the contests for blizzcon.
Now Matt Mercer plays both Rexxar and Mcree. So he could be there for either game. Right? Well, Darin De Paul was the feature of Overwatch last Blizzcon. So surely he's here for another reason. So Matt is here to show off a Mcree Cinematic as Darin did last Blizzcon. But ehy is Darin back? Well, he plays N'zoth.
We may be getting a N'zoth cinematic at blizzcon. Focused on N'zoth Fully.
He's at least there to talk about N'zoth related content, which wow doesn't do, wow lets the devs talk about content. So he must be there for a cinematic.
hollow dock
or maybe Mercer is there because he's a figure for Blizzard andis judging because he enjoys going to the con anyways?
Like people aren't only invited to show something with their characters. They go there because they just like to attend
plain vigil
Mercer is an EXTREMELY busy individual. Mcree is also on the Blizzcon poster for this year.
hollow dock
That...still doesn't mean he can't attend cuz he wants to.
People who want to do something rarely have things that actually stop them.
Like. I fyou ever look at Darin's IMDB, the man is just as busy. He still attends most blizzcons.
Whether the star attraction or not
plain vigil
Still it heavily points to him having a role with overwatch this year. But I'm mainly focused onf Darin and his role with wow
hollow dock
Why can't his role also have something to do with Gallywix I wonder.
plain vigil
Does he play galywix?
junior prairie
I hope Vereesa and Alleria's VA's are there..prob not 😦 but I can hope, least Alleria's was on the women of warcraft panal last blizzcon
plain vigil
Although with the direction of the xpac, N'zoth cinematic feels likely. Or atleast something narrated by 'N'zoth'
hollow dock
Nah they won't do an old god cinematic.
In game cine probably. But they tend to not show those at blizzcon unless itsa trailer for an expac.
or a patch. Which we know the next patches main focus is the invasion of Zuldazar
plain vigil
Right that's ehat I meant by something narrorated by N'zoth. If 8.2 is going to be announced, N'zoth narrating the patch trailer or teaser may be appropriate.
hollow dock
I doubt it'll be announced, but more so hinted at.
plain vigil
Also Des there's a difference between attending Blizzcon and being a featured host/guest
steel venture
Matt Mercer literally just shows up to things because he ... likes hosting my dude.
Matt is like the one personality that you can ask to basically do anything.
????
He does Critical Role.
He always hops between gaming devs.
He goes to cons.
He is pretty open with his fans.
Etc
He's not soley bound by overwatch.
plain vigil
Mcree is also on the feature art of blizzcon. Meaning he's probably there for a reason more than just going.
plain vigil
Y'all hate getting excited about stuff
hollow dock
We're realists. and hyping up about things based on rumors are you how create resentment and get disappointed
plain vigil
Nialsim Isn't the same as realism Dez.
Yea makore but I'd rather overhype myself than have people just shut me down.
zealous basalt
Not with Blizzard
hollow dock
Overhype yourself, and you start hating blizzard for not living up to the hype and start critiquing down the things that are actually pretty good for committing the crime of not living up to your expectations.
When things are hinted at by blizz themselves or twatted about, or posted in a blue post about, that's when I get hyped.
Until then, I'd rather not hype it up on things I think of.
zealous basalt
New verb
hollow dock
well yea. Twatter is the platform
plain vigil
You don't know who I am. If people really have that low self confidence to hate blizzard based on their speculation, that's on them. You're not being a hero, you're just being a bully. Have a nice day.
zealous basalt
Des
Was a hero
He hyped himself on the night elf scenario thing that ion announced
He said that, because he felt the illusion first hand
hollow dock
Yup. I was so excited.
Hyping up and theorizing that hey my WC3 elves are back. They grew their teeth and claws.
Sadly, that was no where near the case.
plain vigil
They fixed that with comunity outcry tho.
hollow dock
No they didn't. At least, not fully.
The horde still sweeps them under the rug like it's no big deal. While they made Tyrande more flashy, the underlying problem still exists: Ultimately the Night Warrior ritual meant nothing.
plain vigil
They changed how Nathanos survived, hey changed Tyrande into actually giving no Mercy, and there's an unreleased cinematic.
zealous basalt
Because of the community
Such thing shouldn't even happen tbh
You said that we didnt know you
But you were so quick to tag Des as a bully
When just like everyone else, got disappointed
hollow dock
But none of that, again, fixes the underlying problem with the whole scenario
"The Night Warrior ritual meant nothing"
The night warriors, the fully armyof the blackmoon
it'sjust a reskin of the night elves. Nothing more.
Nothing less.
It's built up to be this really big deep event, which it is for Tyrande, but for the rest of the warriors that also undergo it
not so much.
plain vigil
Because Des has bullied multiple people here over the past year. Me multiple times. @zealous basalt but this convo doesn't belong here.
hollow dock
Which it can be easily fixed,which I have already suggested. Which is to make them like the Light's Hope NPCs you fight as a DK.
If I'vebullied you then please
call the modsand have me removed.
zealous basalt
Bullied? Or just have your arguments debunked?
I have been here enough time to see Des debunking arguments over and over
hollow dock
In which if we remember, at Light's Hope, sure you're a powerful DK. But you're not strong enough to fight off those paladins.
zealous basalt
But I have never seen him calling someone a big imbecile or big idiot
hollow dock
So what do they do? Make some NPCs that take the entire event to down, buff you up and the NPCs are elites that one shot non-buffed PCs,
it feels like the paladins are a threat to you and that you are on equal ground with them.
What happens when the horde has tofight the Army of the Dark Moon?
They're elves that people don't even realize are night warrior buffed.
they're just that. normal elves.
That is the underlying problem that a cinematic won't fix.
that making tyrande alone stronger won't fix.
Think you understand my complaint with it now, Daddy?
heavy cairn
"Because Des has bullied multiple people here over the past year. Me multiple times."
Des claims I bully them 🤔
hollow dock
I never claimed you bully me ;3;
zealous basalt
Just kiss already u 2
heavy cairn
you claimed I harass you
hollow dock
I claim you speak up just to try and make me wrong and that if you wouldn't stop, I'll start taking it as harassment
zealous basalt
If wowhead discord waa an anime
hollow dock
Do not mixmy words for your own agenda.
zealous basalt
You two would be a hate love ship
hollow dock
I don't hate nor love Akr.
zealous basalt
I stg
hollow dock
but they sure do have an issue with me
heavy cairn
you're saying if I continue the actions that I will continue, you'll start taking it as harassment
that means you de facto consider me to be harassing you
hollow dock
When someone does it once or twice
I don'tconsider it harassment
when they consistently do it over andover again
yes I take it as harassment
heavy cairn
does what? disagrees with you?
hollow dock
Constantly try to make me wrong
I already pointed this out this morning not 3 hours ago
zealous basalt
You two are always wrong tho
enters real bully mode
I dont even get why you two fight if you arent right with eachother
This is like a deaf (or blind) fight
And using think doesnt put you in a better place akr
heavy cairn
we can't be "wrong" about opinions
hollow dock
Yes it is akr
hollow dock
using emoticons doesn't stop it. I'm not the only one who sees it.
zealous basalt
Is for something in lore
And when you are proved wrong you shield yourself with
"Its just an opinion"
heavy cairn
well it's either headcanon where no one can be right (i.e. the discussion is over an opinion about whose makes more sense), or it's fact which either Des and I misrecall.
midnight bloom
Just ignore em Des, akr and Makore especially do that to anything I try and discuss in here
Best thing to do is put them on ignore and move on
heavy cairn
I don't even know / remember you
zealous basalt
Because you go straight to shitposting
hollow dock
Makore's a friend though
Like he I can actually speak to.
Akr's always got an issue with me tho
midnight bloom
Oh, ok, well if you have issues with someone just put them on ignore until theres ac ool off
Best thing to do for both parties
hollow dock
yea that's what I end up doing.
heavy cairn
nothing's changing. if you want to ignore me, ignore me.
hollow dock
lel. thanks to admitting you won't change at least.
zealous basalt
I saw it
midnight bloom
Now thats just harassment, put em on ignore and now all they do is spam the air emote on everything you type. Thats a dick move. Even if I have my gripes with Makore, they've never done that to me
heavy cairn
I'm placing the air emote to test if I'm blocked
midnight bloom
Its why I still have respect for you and still listen to some of what you say :V
midnight bloom
He claims hes testing if hes blocked by you
heavy cairn
I'm testing if I'm blocked cuz y'all keep telling each other to block me
zealous basalt
But most of the times is just me just listening to Porter
Which is because Porter is the best guy here
hollow dock
Yea port's a pretty great dude.
midnight bloom
All High Elves and San'ylan shall be purged if they're ever released, it will be my job to remove the knife ears
hollow dock
and we'll make sure to tear you apart magically!
huh that's the emote from akr I can see
midnight bloom
What, with your nail polish magic and manicure abilities?
midnight bloom
You can't even fight properly, the moment one of your painted pansy nails gets chipped you need to fix it
hollow dock
None of my nails are painted but ok. lul
heavy cairn
react to what
zealous basalt
The fire
hollow dock
(it's not even that good of a burn as High Elves aren't as high society these days as the blood elves are.)
zealous basalt
Just say reaction blocked
heavy cairn
then that means you're blocked
midnight bloom
I actually dont have you blocked
zealous basalt
Y u do dis
hollow dock
Yea he is just adding emotes and removing them then..
midnight bloom
My account is broken from being constantly banned from multiple discords
hollow dock
because all his other air emotes disappear
heavy cairn
I react 
to test cuz it's invisible and shouldn't be interpreted as meaning anything
zealous basalt
IS THERE A WAY TO EVEN DISTINGUISH FEMALES AND MALES WITHOUT STRIPPING THEM???
heavy cairn
that too
midnight bloom
Ok, I'm going to TEST to see how many elven sympathizers are in this chat. If this elven scum walked up to you and asked for your help, would you help them or walk away?
hollow dock
Yea I'd help her.
heavy cairn
depends on what she wanted help with
midnight bloom
ELVEN SYMPATHIZER
hollow dock
Walking away from someone asking for help is rude.
hollow dock
And I'm no rude dude. :V
zealous basalt
Ahead of the curves...
midnight bloom
HERESY!
zealous basalt
BUT ALL YOUR AOTC ARE CARRIES
hollow dock
Go and play with your forest trolls. I'llhappily play with my elves.
zealous basalt
hollow dock
How about that?
midnight bloom
No, they're not
hollow dock
They are beautiful.
midnight bloom
Thats a misconception orcastraighted by Japanese and their weird fetishes
hollow dock
Troll women are beautiful. Same with Orcs, tauren, all women are beautiful.
plain vigil
Did someone say forest trolls? Wildhammer Intensifies
hollow dock
Indeed. One of myhopes is that we use AU Azeroth to give the horde Forest trollsand Zul'jin while the alliance gets Anasterian and the High Elves.
plain vigil
Forest troll vs Wildhammer is a better pair tho... They're in the same zone and everything.
zealous basalt
Maybe
heavy cairn
so Des... would the Legion have invaded AU Azeroth...?
hollow dock
Forest Trolls vs High Elves are the original dueling duo though.
zealous basalt
But Forest troll vs Quel'Thalas and the kingdom of Strom is a thematic one
plain vigil
AU Azeroth doesn't exist as farr as we're aware.
hollow dock
It does!
plain vigil
Does it o.0
hollow dock
As blizzard said during WoD, AU Azeroth does exist.
zealous basalt
Idk who nut said AU azeroth does
hollow dock
We'll likely never see itbut it does.
plain vigil
Oooh Lightforged invasion anyonnnne? 😏
midnight bloom
You know, I wonder what a Night Elf/Human mixed person would look like
zealous basalt
Hmm
heavy cairn
yes but, if there's one legion, and the only azeroth that matters is MU azeroth, why would they invade AU azeroth considering the invasion was specifically to get Sargeras there?
zealous basalt
Hey Des
heavy cairn
if well of eternity didn't happen, there'd be no high elves
highborne != high
zealous basalt
Think in AU illidan is edgy?
hollow dock
Mhmm. My theory, right, is that they'd be exceptionally tall but bulky.
midnight bloom
Makore, I hope AU Illidan is female like AU Thrall
plain vigil
@heavy cairn the civilization would still exist tho.
heavy cairn
yea. the night elven civilization
hollow dock
I mean assuming little changes happened like with Draenor,
plain vigil
Not night elves
hollow dock
maybe it was Malygos that went mad with the Old Gods
No no
the well does still exist.
heavy cairn
there's a well, that's not what I meant
hollow dock
Again, assuming that like WoD
heavy cairn
I meant the battle at the well
bringing in sargeras
hollow dock
time is relatively unchanged outside of some events
plain vigil
Damn this is some heavy multiverse shit o.0
hollow dock
Meaning the war did happen but maybe something like Malygos went corrupted
instead of Neltharion
heavy cairn
so wait, there are infinite AU azeroths and sargeras tried to get to all of them?
midnight bloom
Yeah
hollow dock
Maybe it was Tyrande who was Queen and Azshara is the priestess. Etc.
midnight bloom
Basically our Unvierse has been the furthest one to make it
hollow dock
Events play out the same, kalmindor is broken apart but the how is different.
heavy cairn
the "one legion" thing was a terrible decision to be honest
midnight bloom
We're the surviving/stable timeline where as all the other ones have failed at certain parts
hollow dock
Basically Nero.
plain vigil
So it's a cycle then @midnight bloom that repeats until we win
midnight bloom
Exactly Bloom
hollow dock
we'vebecome the "main" timeline.
plain vigil
Like everytime the hero dies, the next cycle we don't until we beat each raid boss at mythix.
hollow dock
where-as the other timelines created from the branching multiverse theory crumble down into nothingness. Until we stabalize it.
Which is what we did with WoD.
Grommash arose to be Warchief, when in our reality it was Blackhand that rose.
midnight bloom
If they haven't retconned it; and not to burst what Des said, I do believe that AU Draenor and that Universe/Timeline will disappear at one point due to it BEING created thanks to Garrosh. At the time I was following lore closely the Developers said its a self-contained universe thats inbetween normal success and failed timelines
plain vigil
Is it a branching multiverse or a cyclical one tben?
plain vigil
🤔 idk about that
hollow dock
In which Nero, it existed for thirty years completely independent to us.
So if it were to eventually collapse, it should have done so when we left.
heavy cairn
so the Vision of Time had the power to compel the Legion to do everything (with minor changes) to a whole other universe ("stabilization")?
everything adds up until you bring in the "there is only one legion" thing
hollow dock
Now canonically, it is abranching timeline. Not cyclical. As seen with the caverns of time, numerous times in the books that we do travel to other timelines such as the Thrall book where he visits a timeline where he had died as an infant
etc
midnight bloom
I mean, the WoW Story and Lore has always been comic book-tier akr and it's just declining it storytelling, direction, narration, and a means to keep everything canon and not constantly making things non-canon
hollow dock
Fun fact: in that same timeline, Arthas never culled Stratholme and married Jaina. Lordaeron was overtaken by Blackmoore and his Orc army
midnight bloom
Disgusting Des, my OTP is Jaina Proudmoore x Sylvanas OTP
hollow dock
I mean.
Had arthas not been a complete asshole and cucked Jaina at the alter
it'd have been canon
and wait
I thought you hated elves
plain vigil
When I gwt back to my dorm I'll draw out what I mean by cyclical Des.
hollow dock
If I may try to understand, you mean that once an event happens
things reset
until they eventually push forward
right?
Like say we die to a boss
plain vigil
Yea but you can still cross the cycles.
hollow dock
the timeline resets back to our first pull and we try again and again and again until we beat the boss.
In simplistic terms that is
plain vigil
Yea
hollow dock
now what do you mean by cross the cycles?
zealous basalt
Is that an undertale reference
plain vigil
Like a spring
hollow dock
yes it was Makore, good eye.
plain vigil
If you compress a spring it makes a circle that repeats, but if you stretch that spring and tie string between loops you can cross to a different circle
hollow dock
Mhmm. This dips into an area I don't like to touch to much. Which is explaining our resurrection as canon in lore.
plain vigil
It's still continuously moving forward, but you can still cross it. Rather than a branching universe where every decision makes a seperated universe, a cyclical event has fixed point in time.
hollow dock
It could be how the universe works yes, but I still have to go with the branching theory as that's what's more readily presented to us.
strange falcon
if our resurrection is canon,i'm surprised any villain still wants to do evil things knowing he'll have an infinite army coming for him
hollow dock
^ yea that is a pretty good point
plain vigil
But Dafire... The old gods are the only villans outside the circle.
hollow dock
in games like undertale, where the cyclical universe theory happens, we keep our memories but the monsters don't.
hollow dock
Although even though they never keep their memories, they get dejavu
plain vigil
Heared a second one was releaded recently.
hollow dock
Indeed. And it's fantastic. I highly recommend playing them both.
plain vigil
Heard*
hollow dock
but to play. Not just watch on youtube is my recommendation. It's an experience andall that.
plain vigil
I've used code from undetale 😂 just never played it
Okay i'm in my dorm lemmi scetch this
Can I get 3 major events spread across Warcraft and wow? @hollow dock
hollow dock
War of the ancients, War of the Saytr, War of the Shifting Sands
plain vigil
It's fine i think I have a good spread of events
hollow dock
he just asked for a spread in the warcraft universe
didn't know it had to be in game as well
plain vigil
I said and wow but it's okay 😂
strange falcon
his point was that,if you ask "give me 3 major events in earth's history",you cant just give 3 events from the prehistoric era
plain vigil
Dafire it's bokay bud 😂
plain vigil
Each cycle is the entirety of the wow universe that we have and have yet to see told.
hollow dock
and then we visit them thirty years later on their timeline, which again supports your theory of it being a circle and not a branch.
plain vigil
It's also possible that wod is it's own 2d cycle that we bled into
hollow dock
But my only real questjion is, does the end of the warcraft universe jumpstart itself?
http://i.imgur.com/HiHyl4u.png This is my idea of the WoW timeline.
Which is presented to us through the Caverns of time
using a diagram from Bioshock Infinite
plain vigil
Hmmm lemmi modify this I think it may be possible that wow is a combo of the two timeline types
hollow dock
actually that works well with thrall'slife.
Thrall becoming a thrall happens in all timelines right.
But him rebelling vshim joining Blackmoore
craggy nexus
The Caverns of Time aren't remaking the past, they are retelling the past. The difference being that their technically isn't a change in the time stream.