At some point I’d like to have high elves, wildhammer, forest trolls and ogres
#beta-ptr-spoilers
proud dome
hardy hedge
@zealous basalt -How does he sound in Spanish?
He sounds like the nicest guy on the planet
On the good sense
Like a cinnamon roll you don't want to see suffer
sudden oak
maybe after all those saberon and botani will be with the maghar 
meager zodiac
oh that is amazing
i dont think botani and saberon will be used, they are just there in hopes they might become usefull in the future i would think
zealous basalt
I'm liking this war stuff with Alliance and horde going all for it
Also
Werent wildhammers clans rekt in Legion?
hollow dock
They were kinda.
But all the gryphon riders in Kul Tiras are trained by a Wildhammer Dwarf.
junior prairie
Nope Wildhammers are fine, they took hits but Aerie peak and the hinterlands have been fine, and some of the remaining Highland dwarves remain
terse patrol
Des has seen this already, but V2 of my void elf yeee
zealous basalt
Oof
neat idol
Guys, does anyone can confirm that the current azerite armor will be usefull to scrap and get the new coins?
jovial skiff
It will not, only Azerite gear dropped AFTER 8.1 will scrap for the new currency
neat idol
Perfect, ty!
jovial skiff
Are we getting more war mission followers in 8.1?
hollow dock
Not that we see so far
dense plover
theyre usually the last thing added
sometimes they are added with the raid patch
its rare
but it happens
uncut vault
Well, we didnt get any with 7.1, but we did with 7.2, theres not really room for another within the current war campaign, unless we're getting zelling for horde and taelia for alliance, which I doubt
hollow dock
We don't know what all is in those shipments, and we can't risk allowing them to reach the Horde armies.
Avoid killing the vulpera if you can.
Use this Sandshock Totem to scare them away from the supplies.
We don't want to start another war with the vulpera. We just need to ensure they never want to work with the Horde again."
"We've no direct fight with the local vulpera, but the Horde is hiring some vulpera caravans to transport supplies to their armies.
I hope we can scare the hired caravan drivers off, and deter them from working with the Horde in the future, without making them our enemies...
War-time diplomacy is never easy."```
unique crag
Does anyone know how big the build was?
jade basalt
Burn an entire city's worth of night elves, raise humans left and right on Kul Tiras, plague Lordaeron, nobody bats an eye.
Raise Proudmoore boi, every main Horde character looses their mind.
terse patrol
Zelling and Amalia make the most sense ye.
uncut vault
the unknown lines sound like Garona
zealous basalt
Cringe
What was the point on bringing him back?
Like dude
Malfurion killed you
Also port
That line sounds more like LorThemar
uncut vault
I mean, would be odd to be lor'themar, considering he's not on zandalar
and all the others are asking people on zandalar
zealous basalt
Ah
Also Lorash just
Seems like a blood elf whose family was a main highborne line that feed him hate on malfurion
terse patrol
Lorash is the personification of blood elf rogue RPers.
unique crag
Lorash will be only Forsaken that'll make sense in BfA
unique crag
Who got raised
unique crag
Every other raised forsaken doesn't make sense
zealous basalt
What if in the end
They dont really need to be willing
What if that's what sylvanas and the val kyr wants us to believe?
unique crag
Lorash on the other hand 
screw malf as always
zealous basalt
I would say
terse patrol
Like
zealous basalt
They feed your anger
terse patrol
Lets be real.
zealous basalt
So it feels like you come back willingly
But that just
You dont look that with Derek
terse patrol
Why would any light believing human choose to come back as an undead, when they'll be going to the Light's afterlife?
hollow dock
isn't actually a factor
unique crag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FTya_31JUk this is Lorash in A Good War
hollow dock
it's more a formality
Like
they just ask
"Hey you wanna come back?"
and regardless of the answer
they come back
unique crag
Yeah Derek is gonna murder Katherine or Tandred
zealous basalt
He may be the first to discover that
unique crag
Or both
terse patrol
^
zealous basalt
Ur mpm
uncut vault
I mean, Im still holding strong to the theory that without specific intervention, like Elune, or the Valkyr, or specific people going to the light, everyone goes to the same hell Sylvanas went to
hollow dock
Keep that borderline hentai shit outta here
uncut vault
which is why people are willing to come back, at least in their afterlife state
terse patrol
dont talk shit about kill la kill
uncut vault
might not translate to their real self
terse patrol
or we throwin hands
zealous basalt
But why would Derek come back, Port?
unique crag
My headcannon is that Souls that got sent into hell wants to come back and only Valkyr can take them from hell as they once released Sylv from hell
uncut vault
because anything is better than the hellish darkness of the afterlife
like I said, a desire in the afterlife might not translate to the same desire when youre raised
zealous basalt
That's your theory?
terse patrol
wat
unique crag
So those Nelves who got raised went to hell before they were raised hence willing to be resurrected
uncut vault
your soul just wanting to escape the torment might not translate to a desire to be an abomination as undead
hollow dock
which makes no sense. Night Elves become whisps when they die
zealous basalt
So they got lied to?
terse patrol
So you're saying what Wyll saw is nothing? @uncut vault
unique crag
Wisp thing stopped making sense after Nelf DKs became a thing
terse patrol
He saw his entire family except for his wife, who was Forsaken. He had no way of knowing that.
tulip sun
uncut vault
hence the "without specific intervention" part
zealous basalt
And I hope we, the alliance pc just kill him
zealous basalt
Seems like a blood elf teenager tbh
unique crag
It's cringe how people are seeing that as cringe
uncut vault
humans like bridenbrad, uther, possibly Wyll, get taken by the Light, vrykul are saved by the valkyr, night elves are shepherded by the will of the forest. Divine intervention changes things
zealous basalt
The "willing" part is actually dressed as servitude
hollow dock
Lorash is edgy as fuck
that is cringy.
Feel like he's going to dye his hair black and start using excessive eyeliner
zealous basalt
He does
unique crag
Rly? It just looks normal and expected line from him
hollow dock
But then how are the night elves "chosing" for forsaken
that's the bit I don't understand Port
uncut vault
Like I said, its just a theory. Needs more pieces in canon to have more solid ground, but Derek seeing darkness is definitely interesting.
zealous basalt
My theory is still there
uncut vault
Ties into a different theory, not mine, that whoever bwonsamdi's boss is is growing more powerful
will of the forest/elune/whatever they say nowadays that shepherds night elven spirits into wisps is not working
zealous basalt
That the willing soul part of raising is just a lie said by Sylvanas and the Val'kyr so Horde is keep tight onto her hands
tulip sun
I don't think it is a lie
hollow dock
Lich Kings necromatic power was strong enough to steal paladins from the light
it could easily take the night elf spirits
just as an FYI
and teh Lich King is what made us. The third gen DKs.
zealous basalt
After third gen
unique crag
Guys did u read Edge of Night, Val'kyrs offer Sylvanas to be saved from Hell. Why can't it be same for Nelves?
hollow dock
Litearlly we explained it to you but you just passed over it
unique crag
You said thats what Valkyrs want you to believe
zealous basalt
Because what if they just needed her like an anchor to remain in the world
uncut vault
thats basically my theory. Sylvanas/undead arent the only ones that go to the hell Sylvanas did, everyone does without divine intervention, and as death grows stronger, the forces that intervene arent intervening as much. Which is why night elves and others are willing to return.
hollow dock
to make them into DKs
He can do the same to the night elf spirits
so the Nelf being DKs thing doesn't invalidate whisps
zealous basalt
Waitwaitwait
PORT
Shut up you all
My theory send it to the trashcan
The voice that put Sylvanas on charge
What if
hollow dock
Now that does make sense Port.
unique crag
Well that sounds like 
Wisps are not made from light
hollow dock
that death is growing in am imbalance and is overpowering the other places.
zealous basalt
That is making everything from the death just act like if they are willing?
hollow dock
they aren't.
unique crag
@Deas
hollow dock
they never have been
zealous basalt
@uncut vault
zealous basalt
What if what put Sylvanas on Charge, the voice that Vol'jin heard
Is disrupting everything?
uncut vault
I mean, it'd take a deft hand to trick people who have been mind controlled into thinking mind controlled undead are actually free willed
and that double swap seems too complicated to tell in a good way
hollow dock
I still think that's N'zoth. Less intervention still helps him because Old Gods nom on souls.
and the more souls available, the more they get to nom.
unique crag
Porter I agree but I think going to hell works as same way as RL and anyone can go there whether death entity is getting powerful or not
hollow dock
Why does that matter?
zealous basalt
He isnt aware that his movement makes all souls willingly
hollow dock
N'zoth doesn't need to do anything
he just lets us do the work while they nudge us in the direction they want us to go
unique crag
And Valkyr can save you from Hell
hollow dock
that's how Old Gods, Great Old Ones, various galactic entities go.
zealous basalt
The Shadowlands?
hollow dock
Yes and that's where we go
but apparently it's not as we see in game
which is perfectly fine
zealous basalt
What if something is really fucked there without us noticing it anyhow?
Probs not an old god
But something within it that makes the stay just an endless torture
unique crag
Void Lords, Old Gods are from Void plane. They're not connected to anything death related
hollow dock
Probs not, however. It doesn't stop him from nudging things into this way. As again, it keeps us weak.
zealous basalt
Hmm
hollow dock
also N'zoth raisd a bunch of night elves that were dead.
do remember that
that's how the naga were made
zealous basalt
It's going to be interesting
hollow dock
I didn't say they were undead did I?
But they were dead.
they're alive now. and transformed.
unique crag
They were dead!?
hollow dock
Yes?
they drowned
Did you not watch Azshara's cinematic
A bunch of people drowned from the crashing ocean waves of Zin'azshari sinking
unique crag
Yeah but you don't know if they're actually dead. Azshara was breathing underwater for like 7 min
Holding her breath
I mean
hollow dock
Azshara is also the most powerful mage on Azeroth at the time
zealous basalt
But yeah, Port
hollow dock
her capabilities can't be matched to say that old rotting corpse that moved by her
those dead, staring, wide eye'd people. Still and swirling in the current
thems dead
they turn into naga at the end of it. that's resurrection right there.
unique crag
Anyway I'm just gonna take that as headcannon, I don't think N'Zoth is capable of necromancy or any death related magic
hollow dock
they absolutely can resurrect
It's not necromancy
Necromancy is the act of creating undead
not resurrection
zealous basalt
Probably the Shadowlands got fucked hard enough to make all souls willingly to come back, and probably is twisting our reality enough to change how Night elves die and just stay there
hollow dock
And since the void elves are now in the Zuldazar incursion taking dead raptors and zandalari and animating their bodies using the void
it's not that far of a stretch to say an old god who's power is far beyond anything we can comprehend can resurrect a bunch of people
zealous basalt
Dont you think void is manipulating the Shadowlands?
And that N'zoth somehow pierced that reality?
Inb4 8.3 feature
Permanent dead
unique crag
Makore but we saw Void doesn't like Death or see it as "true enemy" or something
hollow dock
Oh god
no
we didn't
The alleria comic was not at all pointing at death
Void Whispers are personalized. They attack our insecurities
unique crag
It said Sylvanas serves true enemy
hollow dock
Yes
the horde
Alleria's true enemy
above all. Above the legion, above the trolls
above anyone else
the Horde is her true enemy
unique crag
I think it meant Void's true enemy lol not Alleria's
hollow dock
Again
Void Whispers are personalized
2/3 are personalized to her own insecurities about the people around her
why would the third suddenly not follow that same pattern
hollow dock
^
terse patrol
In the Alliance's darkest hour, All Might Turalyon arrives to save the day. pls, let Turalyon do something besides be a punching bag in a warfront.
unique crag
Idk if that's the case, I don't get why Void was not screaming to kill Turalyon or Arathor - it was just "turn them"
hollow dock
Xal'atath
zealous basalt
Alleria going nuts
hollow dock
She is our void being.
And she does not hate the Light. She doesn't hate the Naaru.
Even though by all accounts she should. They're hated by the Light afterall
she only sees them as lost children. As in the end, nothing is left but darkness.
But void.
unique crag
Dude, my point is if Void is personalized attacks then it doesn't make sense that it is not outright asking to KILL Turalyon or Arathor - whether they're light related or not doesn't matter
zealous basalt
What part of
unique crag
But suddenly outright kill on Sylvanas
zealous basalt
They did
zealous basalt
U deaf
hollow dock
Showing it was her "Destiny" to kill her child
to kill and face off against Turalyon
but she saw them for what they were: lies.
Again the context of it all proves that no
zealous basalt
Although it affected her a lot
hollow dock
Death is not the enemy of the void.
Whispers are personalized to each and every one of us
zealous basalt
And if they dont
Appear in the comic
Is because alleria already
Shutted them
But Sylvanas
unique crag
Okay Makore, is Void doing personalized attacks on Alleria using her weakness or projecting it's goal? You're claiming both at the same time
zealous basalt
Is the first time she sees her
In a long time
So its obviously
That they would whisper her that
hollow dock
It's using her insecurities to force her to fall to the void. Which is it's end goal.
Corrupting us and making us serve them
zealous basalt
Alleria has
A deep
DEEP
More deeper than her mum's hole
Hate
For the Horde
So when she first meets her in a millenia for her
The thing they do?
"Attack her$
"And while you are at it, do your sister too"
hollow dock
All through the comic it's a boiling pot
when it comes to her undead sister
the leader of the horde
unique crag
Ok well I didn't get answer lol
hollow dock
her sworn and most hated enemy
hollow dock
it's at its boiling point when Sylvanas gives her passive threats
and bam. The void uses it to egg her way in
unique crag
And Void seeing Undeads as enemy has precedence as they're immune to Void
hollow dock
if not for Vereesa, probably both sisters would be pretty damaged.
They're not immune to the Void
void can still kill em
unique crag
Yeah I meant resistant
hollow dock
They're resilient to the Whispers of the void and it's corruption
but not at all does that mean it's a threat to them. As enough energy will distentegrate anything.
and as seen with Dimencious the All Devouring, well.
If they were to ever come or be summoned in, there is no way for them to be threatened by anyone
zealous basalt
Huh
Hey
What if
Do you remember that void entity we drive back?
With the power of the Heart?
zealous basalt
What if he is a key to this plot
jovial skiff
Void entity? I thought it was nzoth or something
wait is that the same thing?
hollow dock
it wasn't Nzoth it was just a void entity.
terse patrol
There’s some who think that N’zoth is playing Magni and we’re just using the Heart to help free him.
hollow dock
I mean. We're not really needed for that in all honesty. He was already close to breaking out at Tomb of Sargeras
and with a bunch of containment breaches as we're collecting the heart across all Uld-titan facilities
zealous basalt
But des
What port said
Doesnt that mean that
If given the opportunity
Our azeroth villains would come back?
jovial skiff
maybe he can come back to kill sylvanas again
would b pret cool of him
hollow dock
nah
let Delaryn do it
Delaryn is the Sylvanas of Sylvanas' re-enactment of Arthas' story where Sylvanas is Arthas.
zealous basalt
So arthas is sylvanas now?
hollow dock
other way around
zealous basalt
THEN WHO WAS PHONE
I think I gave my guild leader a panic attack sharing the theory of Port
"Everyone has the potential to come back now"
uncut vault
Garona or Cromush, two who refer to her as Windrunner and are missing dialogue about this
zealous basalt
Nono
If your theory is correct
Would it mean that all past bosses that were killed (Azerothian) have the potential to be revived?
uncut vault
Potential, yes, likelyhood, no
zealous basalt
Tho dont tyou think it's kinda complex to execute well?
uncut vault
Eh, its a pretty simple twist, Sylvanas working to master death over whoever is growing stronger, a simple reason for the repeated "but why?" question people have had about undead in BfA
zealous basalt
Incant believe I'm going to say this
zealous basalt
But I am up to see more of the undead stuff
terse patrol
@hollow dock hurgh, ye then Before the Storm says they’re basically fighting the inevitable in terms of their rot. Replacing limbs that will only rot as well.
zealous basalt
Wat
terse patrol
What happens when you run out of limbs
hollow dock
if she masters over death
She could stop it entirely
much in the same way the Lich King is able to do so for the San'layn and Deathknights he creates
uncut vault
she wants to master death, she hasnt yet.
hollow dock
yes and I'm stating that if she ever does
in theory
she could rival the Lich King no?
jade basalt
Thing is the Lich King was granted godlike powers by the Burning Legion
hollow dock
in terms of necromatic abilities.
jade basalt
Sylvanas is technically "just" a banshee.
hollow dock
IF she ever masters over death
uncut vault
Well, current lich king, yes. With Eyir, she definitely could have countered Bolvar
jade basalt
I'm not sure what that means
zealous basalt
Sylvanas mastery over death
hollow dock
she would rise up to the Lich Kings abilities no?
zealous basalt
Just puts all souls in a willingly state?
uncut vault
Dunno about Arthas
hollow dock
IE becomes like what the Lich King is. A master of death. Able to bend it to their will.
He got it from the Burning Legion, something Sylvanas can't do
but if she were to find another way to attain that power or something similar
jade basalt
She'd need to get that power from somewhere
hollow dock
is what I'm getting at. Which is what she seems to be building and chasing towards
uncut vault
inb4 mal'ganis crafts her bowmourne
zealous basalt
Nah port
hollow dock
LOL
zealous basalt
I know how
jade basalt
But yes if she got the power to do so, she could probably pump out her own death knights and stuff.
zealous basalt
She fuses with the entity
That put her in charge
Which is a ner zhul
From a 3rd universe
uncut vault
Nathanos essentially is her form of death knights, no?
jade basalt
Close
hollow dock
It nearly exhausted her val'kyr in doing so
uncut vault
which is where the power source comes in
zealous basalt
To make Valkyr
jade basalt
He still rots, I believe. She just pressed the Reset button for him because he was super rotten and now he's not anymore.
uncut vault
thats what eyir would have been
hollow dock
He just tossed his soul into another body.
A taxing thing, but something not undoable
jade basalt
The other way around, they grafted the body (parts) onto his. 😛
uncut vault
it was more pseudo fleshcrafting
hollow dock
Oh was it?
zealous basalt
She wanted the D
hollow dock
Guess I misread it.
uncut vault
pulled the life force and parts from the cousin onto nathanos, cause it was his face, but not quite his face
jade basalt
Yeah when he gets up he looks at his cousin's bed, and there's nothing left but dust.
Basically his cousin's body was disintegrated/fused onto his rotten body.
hollow dock
ah okay.
So then yea. She needs a power source to let the val'kyrs feed off of so that she' snott he only one making DKs or other undead like nathanos
jade basalt
One of my gripes with Antorus is the missed opportunity of a Lich King experiment room or something like that. I had imagined, back then, that there could be a boss or mini-boss (like the Dark Keeper before Aggramar for example) room where you see discarded helms and pieces of armor and swords around the room, and bodies or souls in chains, or bound to the walls, maybe even a huge block of ice, and they would be Lich King prototypes. Would've been really cool. Nathrezim as trash mobs.
hollow dock
Maybe even as an extra room in the construction area where Imonar and Kin'gorath were?
uncut vault
my gripe with legion in general was the lack of dreadlord stuff
zealous basalt
IM SORRY DES
uncut vault
we see a few in some class campaigns, and varimathras
zealous basalt
What about Jaina
uncut vault
but there was no scheming
hollow dock
Actually. Now that I think of it.
jade basalt
Hmm ya could've fit there. @rocky pecan
uncut vault
closest we got was the backstory for apocalypse
hollow dock
Outside of Varithimas
I don't remember a single Dreadlord appearing on Argus
what do you mean Mak?
uncut vault
Im still of the mind that while the story of Legion was good, the story of the legion was terrible
hollow dock
Like explain yourself don't just say 1 line. I'm waiting for that.
uncut vault
got turned into a big old brutish punching bag
hollow dock
and yea I am kinda sad about that port.
zealous basalt
We kinda made the legion a child play
zealous basalt
More demons?
hollow dock
Areas where you can kill thousands of constantly spawning demons in each zone.
jade basalt
If you think dreadlords were treated badly in Legion, try pitlords.
Or mo'arg/gan'arg.
hollow dock
At least we saw the birthing pits of the pitlords
zealous basalt
Pitlords appeared as rares
hollow dock
and they were somewhat prominent
uncut vault
Moarg are the epitome of turning a smart race into literal brutes
zealous basalt
Felt really finite
jade basalt
They did get that one subzone in Krokuun, and Aggonar which was neat.
But other than that, not much.
hollow dock
yea. but other than the order halls and vari as port pointed out
uncut vault
fuckin thrashbite
hollow dock
We don't actually see much of the "smartest and near highest level" of the burning legions demons
uncut vault
"Books are for losers!" you were literally the mechanic race in TBC
jade basalt
Hell the only pitlord in Antorus was far, far away in the background under the bridges where you enter the raid.
jade basalt
And that's if you even knew there was a pitlord in Antorus.
Which people normally would not. Because it's far and in the background and under the bridges.
uncut vault
best demon to come out of argus was the female eredar lords, Im happy we finally got some, but man was argus just a splattering of generic demons
hollow dock
Like. Wasn't the whole thing from WC3 that Pitlords were only answering to KJ and Archimonde?
er
not pitlords
Dreadlords
zealous basalt
Hey
What happens
To the demons we see in the Broken Shore?
Those named demons
hollow dock
Yea we saw Jaraxxus come back
zealous basalt
Even Jaraxxus
hollow dock
and he doesn't show his mug anywhere
zealous basalt
But I don't know if we even fight him
hollow dock
HOW DO WE GE TMEMES IF THEY DON'T GIVE US THE MATERIAL TO MEME
uncut vault
Yes, original lore for dreadlords was that they were Kiljaedens agents
hollow dock
was that ever changed?
zealous basalt
You know
Jow would it be that
Argus was a two patch zone?
Rather than one
So we could see all the demons around
Because idk
Antorus felt kinda small
For being the Legion's Stronghold
uncut vault
I dont think it was explicitly changed, just kinda ignored a lot in Legion
since his personal minions were suddenly two demon hunters
Im still mad we got that "join the ebon blade in acherus, and we'll start the hunt for the dreadlords" line from bolvar that never panned out
they clearly had a * way* different story planned for DKs
hollow dock
You know.
I did love Legion. I thought it was great story telling and the raids were great tie ins
but now that I sit and think about it
that'snot all that true
terse patrol
They likely changed it because they want the dreadlords for the inevitable Wrath 2.0
hollow dock
that makes no sense
jade basalt
I mean 7.3 was absolutely awful in terms of storytelling. The 7.2 > 7.3 transition was just ridiculous and the rest didn't get much better.
hollow dock
but then again its another honk feeling
terse patrol
so salty
hollow dock
that's not salt
terse patrol
argus sucked ye
zealous basalt
What was in 7.3
hollow dock
argus
zealous basalt
O
terse patrol
argus aka
zealous basalt
I still think
terse patrol
Two zones with the same assets
zealous basalt
Argus would have feel better if it was a two patch zone
terse patrol
And one zone with Warlords assets
uncut vault
I certainly do hope the dreadlords show up in wrath 2.0
theyve always been my favorite part of the legion, they have the best connection and coolest method of takeover
terse patrol
The dreadlords were integral to the Scourge story
terse patrol
And the fact Mal’ganis is still kicking around somewhere is big
hollow dock
the legion ordered em to do it
terse patrol
They were literally the ones keeping the Scourge under control though
They were the Lich King’s jailers.
zealous basalt
Inb4 Mal'ganis is the one that told Voljin yo choose sylvanas
uncut vault
man, now I wanna see mal'ganis forge bowmourne for sylvanas just for the lols
zealous basalt
Inb4 its Archimonde
hollow dock
The legion told ma'ganis to make the armor and put it onto azeroth to weaken it. when that failed
terse patrol
<_>
hollow dock
they absolutely just abandoned it
there's no legion to do more scourge stuff
why would they go back to it
terse patrol
The Dreadlords created the Lich King’s armor and Frostmourne. The Lich King has to secretly work against them and Kil’jaeden/Archimonde.
Otherwise the dreadlords would have killed him while he was weak
hollow dock
oh the legions orders
uncut vault
well, Mal'ganis at least has a personal tie in with the lich king and conflict with him
I doubt its a coincidence that hes the dreadlord they had survive
terse patrol
You denying that the Dreadlords are important to the Scourge story is laughable.
hollow dock
I'm denying that they'd come back because once again
terse patrol
<_>
hollow dock
Kil'jaeden made Ner'zhul into the lich king he is today
terse patrol
Only two of the Dreadlord brothers are dead dude
hollow dock
he ordered the creation of the scourge, he ordered this to be on azeroth.
the legion is the orchestrator of the scourge
not just the dreadlords
once it failed they abandoned it entirely except mal'ganis which got kicked in a minor side questline
terse patrol
Are you forgetting Mal’ganis’ promise to get vengeance on the Lich King?
hollow dock
that's how "important and integral"
your dreadlord plot is
blizzard delegated all of it
into a side quest
terse patrol
You don’t think he and his remaining bros aren’t probably working against him?
zealous basalt
Inb4 demon hunters say in flavor text they hunted Mal Ganis and killed him
hollow dock
No I don't because there's no reason for that to happen.
Mal'ganis tried for his revenge
he failed miserably
in a side quest
terse patrol
uh
uncut vault
he never actually tried after saying he wanted to
uncut vault
he takes a portal to the nether, then doesnt show up for fall of the lich king
hollow dock
He appears as apart of the scarlet onslaught
terse patrol
Yep
hollow dock
he got killed in northrend by us
terse patrol
You forget that clearly Blizzard planned to use him at Icecrown
But ended up cutting it
terse patrol
he didnt get killed
uncut vault
he didnt
terse patrol
He literally portals away
hollow dock
OK so he didnt get killed. I'll admit to that
but it's still a side quest. a small portion of it.
how does that not tell you how minor it is
terse patrol
@uncut vault Am I crazy in thinking the dreadlords are going to play a big role going forwards?
hollow dock
hell they cut them out of legion
the one place they're instrumental to.
They destroyed their homeland
in a book
terse patrol
Because maybe they planned to use them later?
hollow dock
they really do not care about the dreadlords
zealous basalt
You all are nuts
I think
I know who the villain is
Is honk's void elf
With her shadow orbs
Disrupting the balance
uncut vault
interesting thing about icecrown from the voljin quest text
"Icecrown. It be more dan a pretty throne. It be an anchor dat holds dis world to da next, ya might say."
from Bwonsamdi
zealous basalt
hax
uncut vault
so Icecrown's been a powerful place in relation to death long before the Lich King ever crashed into the glacier
hardy hedge
I dont think it implies that it was that way before the Lich King landed there but it wouldnt be too far fetched that Kil'jaeden purposefully throw him there
Also is Derek Proudmoore the first confirmed unwilling Forsaken?
zealous basalt
points to port
uncut vault
"Dat kind of power smells of old magic." Bwonsamdi is older than both Kil'jaeden and Ner'zhul
so old magic means predating any of the scourge stuff
uncut vault
he's a loa, and has been around since before the trolls came about, and they came about thousands of years before Sargeras approached Argus
hardy hedge
Yes but so was Kil'jaeden and he also has the years that he probably spent on the Nether
uncut vault
Kil'jaeden didnt have any connection to the legion until 20k years ago, Bwonsamdi has been around for longer than he had his magic
so the "old magic" is not referring to Kil'jaeden
nor would I expect Bwonsamdi to when talking about his rivals
hardy hedge
Again. Even if you only start counting when he had his magic you would also need to count the time he may have spend in the Nether, which could easily even whatever time Bwonsamdi may have. After all he wasnt in Azeroth since day 1
uncut vault
thats... not how it works, just cause more time passed in the nether doesnt mean Bwonsamdi cares about that, his magic still isnt older than death, especially considering he's talking about the Shadowlands
hardy hedge
What exactly do you consider Death? The magic sphere? Because even then, Bwonsamdi still isnt older than Kil'jaeden.
Anyway. That isnt the point. It just seems weird in context, but it may be true
zealous basalt
". But it takes some serious mojo to do to Vol'jin what ya describe."
jovial skiff
When you say "older" do you mean aged more or came into existence first?
dense plover
KJ is more than 25k years old
Was
Bwonsamdi is not
He is a loa, and a troll
The trolls have not been a somewhat dominant species for 25k years
jovial skiff
I thought he merely appears as a troll?
jovial skiff
He was actually a Troll that just ascended?
dense plover
Yes
From the small bit of implied lore we have
It might be out of date tho
Generally, it is implied that loa that aren’t Wild gods, ascended separately
Like with Hakkar
Technically even the Wild gods were more powerful animals who were then gifted power by the titans
hardy hedge
Actually the straight concept of Loa is Wild God
uncut vault
Bwonsamdi predates trolls, according to Shadows of the Horde, and trolls have existed for anywhere up to shortly after the well of eternity was formed, as they were born from accelerated life due to it
dense plover
Not all loa are Wild gods
Huh, I guess I was wrong about the bwonsamdi stuff
But he isn’t a Wild god
His history IS different
Just like Hakkar is a loa
uncut vault
Seeing as she specifically needs to condition him for the job, yes
zealous basalt
mira esa publicidad papa
sullen dagger
that's from an oil station
dunno where is that there, since i have no car
whatsoever
but
¯_(ツ)_/¯
anyway i think we see now the mind control and conditioning since we're scrutining closely what sylvannas is doing and not
i dont think this is an isolated case
like AT ALL
jovial coral
Wrathion cinematic should happen at blizzcon
He could even be in the Greymane one
Or maybe a warbringer type of thing for Wrathion would be neat
heavy cairn
wait, what greymane cinematic
jovial coral
It's just a speculation that's been going around
People think Greymane will get a cinematic at blizzcon
sullen dagger
ok, i have another speculation
what if the three "warbingers" videos had shown us the final bosses for the 8.01,8.2 and 8.3
jovial coral
Haha perhaps
jovial coral
There are those who want that
If Jaina dies but Sylvanas doesn't there will be an outrage
sullen dagger
jaina supposedl dont die
but but if that's what happen on 8.1 / 8.2...
i'll probably stop playin
simply becuase we just had a redepmtion arc with her and her family and killing her now would be friggin sad
jovial coral
Yeah.
I wonder if she and Greymane will take things into their own hands
And not consult Anduin
jovial coral
Right, but it could be what they think is best for The Alliance and the could sadly backfire
Like Anduin doesn't want to take advantage of an opportunity.
jovial coral
Aah, maybe. I would like the allied races to expand their legacy so to speak
zealous basalt
Omake, that's what Brown always says to have his dream going on
jovial coral
What dream
zealous basalt
"x thing happens and puts the most loyal members of the alliance to be less loyal to them so they split in different factions"
jovial coral
What's with the attacks
zealous basalt
That's the same lead up to that idea of expansion you want, Brown
jovial coral
You want to talk about it or something?
zealous basalt
Not really
hollow dock
ha
zealous basalt
strange falcon
IS THAT AN RP SERVER
zealous basalt
YES
strange falcon
why is your surname redsoul is a good question
but why you are on an RP server in the first place is even more important
strange falcon
as long as your RP doesnt involve degeneracy it's fine
hollow dock
depends on what you consider degeneracy
What if my character is a legitimate degenerate of a person? Like scum of the earth material
zealous basalt
What's wrong with the surname
hollow dock
Seems a bit anime but other than personal taste it's fine
strange falcon
degeneracy is considered the shady deals that go on in goldshire
zealous basalt
I got told he is like a shonen character for being a monk zo
hollow dock
What if that is just one of the things the character does due to their degeneracy? Like one of my characters is a heartless bitch who serves the void and has a very odd obsession with having a proper bloodline to inherit her abilities when she dies.
So she commits crimes against humanity constantly.
hollow dock
No?
strange falcon
well,she wants to have a proper bloodline,and she serves the void
hollow dock
My main character is a high elf full and full, her twin on the other hand.
She serves the twilight's hammer, was raped, beaten and broken into by the Cult and let loose to do as she pleases.
She's now with the goals mentioned above.
Heck with as many grafts, crafted flesh is on her, she's not even considered an elf anymore. She's a patchwork of a specimen.
zealous basalt
peers
strange falcon
so she's the character you go to,when you feel extra edgy,so you can blame all your edgynees on the character being that way
zealous basalt
Do I smell a high elf that wants to get their ass beaten?
hollow dock
A bit? She's just a villain I created during cataclysm and have fun with. She tortures, beats, and does all sorts of heinous crimes when she's needed to. In a way, she's the sort of character people arrange to come in when they want their character to take a dark turn for the worst.
zealous basalt
Does she have a counter?
hollow dock
Oh yes absolutely.
Three paladin groups (player groups mind you), her twin sister, she's wanted by both the horde and alliance (bounty is twenty thousand gold so far),
zealous basalt
Sneaky
hollow dock
She slips in the void for most times though there was 1 time she was killed for her crimes. It didn't stop her though. She was brought back from the brink when her body was recovered and sewn together.
hollow dock
Ye
sullen dagger
dats nice
let people do what they want with their rp as long as the follow common guidelines of rp
if they wanna do naughty thingies on goldshire just dont go to the porninn
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow dock
I mean i dont. But its at the request of the person who requested my assistance
zealous basalt
no u
sullen dagger
i'm happy today, it's canon now that forsaken is being manipulated /conditioned or straight controlled aganist their will
today is a great day
👌
crimson wasp
This channel is called ptr spoilers and I still left it unmuted
hollow dock
Spoiler talk is only like. 10%of what we do here
tulip sun
MASTER Gadrin lead the horde in drustvar incursion
tranquil steeple
afaik it's muted, but the unread message notification still pops up unless you specifically mute a chat channel
zealous basalt
who is gadrin
sullen dagger
yeah, we just meme and hiss at eachother
tranquil steeple
(first muted as in there's no sound played at you when a message is sent)
sullen dagger
also, what do you guys think of my new tifoil theory?
zealous basalt
what is that
sullen dagger
8.1 -> jaina, 8.2 -> sylvannas, 8.3 -> azshara as end raid bosses
and ny'alotha as new xpac
zealous basalt
no
sullen dagger
no?
zealous basalt
no
junior prairie
I like how people are saying Derek was the line the horde leaders suddenly said this is enough, I think people don't estimate how much Derek means he was a hero of the second war...all those guys are high on Alliance's list
sullen dagger
😦
zealous basalt
idk
sullen dagger
why
junior prairie
Phase 1 is tentacles, Phase 2 is undead tentacles Phase 3 is we find out sylvanas has been locked up for years and it was actually a old god leading all this time
zealous basalt
no
sullen dagger
yeah no.
zealous basalt
that's just shit
junior prairie
you know I'm taking piss right lol
zealous basalt
I know you are
sullen dagger
i just wanna beat her with a stick
zealous basalt
either way i would have cast [Strangle]
junior prairie
o_o
zealous basalt
And [Asphyxiate]
sullen dagger
i mean like a rule
junior prairie
writes stick fanfic
zealous basalt
Before [Death Grip]
sullen dagger
oooh that would be sick i mean stick
hollow dock
Stick fanfics?
sullen dagger
i'd be stricken
zealous basalt
And such Omake leaned towards the fallen Warchief after the raid left, and whispered to her hear "You still owe me a different kind of loot"
zealous basalt
Nani
sullen dagger
she gonna be a good girl now
zealous basalt
Trap
junior prairie
lol now you made me think of this pic I saw oma
sullen dagger
nani?
junior prairie
junior prairie
XD no fight with her, just a cutscene of Alleria giving her big sisterly..."advice"
zealous basalt
japanese language or go home
junior prairie
nani?
zealous basalt
"Onee-san choto" Said Sylvanas crying to her big siter
zealous basalt
onee-chan
sullen dagger
VRIS' weeb senses must be hyper tingling right now
crimson wasp
Now I need a scene of this
zealous basalt
But Vris is a weeb now
sullen dagger
oh my
sullen dagger
did we corrupt vris?
zealous basalt
RUN
junior prairie
lol
zealous basalt
I think we warded him off
sullen dagger
IT'S THE EYES
zealous basalt
That's the second time it happens
sullen dagger
it scares them off
zealous basalt
The first time was while we were arguing about why knaifu was besto waifu
zealous basalt
The only mod that survives the eyes
is Thulm
if the wowhead was a discord
...
If the WoWhead's Discord was an anime
sullen dagger
heh
zealous basalt
Thulm would be the shonen protagonist
and the other mods would be sides
And the villain would be
huh
This channel
zealous basalt
Or D3-MON-TO
sullen dagger
lvl max -> 
zealous basalt
lol
sullen dagger
CRUSADE
oh man on this xpac i'm having a blast with my char
i called her deus vult
paladin draenai
👌
zealous basalt
Is she a tank?
sullen dagger
YES
sullen dagger
oh man
zealous basalt
*knocks all the horde players to the sides
junior prairie
...ya got me thinking of this https://66.media.tumblr.com/ebf011ad1b5ab7478e47589252346231/tumblr_pcq2ynKChI1s05bj1o1_500.jpg
sullen dagger
lol
zealous basalt
He recored the video too
sullen dagger
that gotta be glorious
sullen dagger
super nice
zealous basalt
do you really want to
zealous basalt
survive that
zealous basalt
that's worse than a common forsaken
sullen dagger
but why
zealous basalt
hah
sullen dagger
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand
my raid just autodestroyed itself
yay
this is just awesome
like 10000%
strange falcon
what made it autodestruct
sullen dagger
the aidee of the rl, which wong came to the raid yesterday decided to get some pickups
wont*
zealous basalt
aidee?
sullen dagger
yeah, like second in command
zealous basalt
ah
sullen dagger
he's the healer official
and picked up some russians thus we killed zul
and people got salty af
and the rl resigned, then the second did that aswell
awesome
welp
sigh
zealous basalt
Why got salty