Lorash was older than anasterian
#beta-ptr-spoilers
hollow dock
zealous basalt
I don't get why res him tho
hollow dock
fanservice
zealous basalt
I thought he was squashed by the vibes
Well, can we get the druid that got cut in half too?
sudden oak
I think he died by his own poison if im not mistaken
junior prairie
let's rez everyone! I want that ash-pile priestess to be rezed too!...wait she is? oh man XD (is that true by the way someone said the priestess in Eulgey was rezed on the shore?)
jade basalt
@hollow dock Literally everyone hates that development and it's probably a mistake from the author. Some people like Red Shirt Guy suggested he may have just been lying. With Malfurion telling him 'I don't remember your face among those who were exiled' and stuff like that and trying to give him a lesson not to dwell only on stuff he was told etc. A bit up in the air at that moment. It would make no sense for him to be freaking 7k years old, high elves are supposed to be a distinct, descendent subrace of Night elves, not their friggin, literal (grand) children.
junior prairie
@jade basalt That we can agree on!
zealous basalt
Bluffing, you say?
jade basalt
Hell imagine just the cultural aspects of what this would mean. And the genealogical ones. A current blood elf could technically be Malfurion's literal kid, or grand child. It's just silly. They are supposed to have evolved separately for thousands of years both biologically and culturally and architecturally and magically. It would make no sense if suddenly the gap was just.. 0-2 generations.
terse patrol
Hard to say with Blizzard @hollow dock
hollow dock
like Quiet said, high elves already can live upwards of 3000, maybe even 4000, years.
They don't need to alter it so that alleria can live 1000 in the Nether
especially since she's so young by elves age of a couple hundred when she goes in
jade basalt
I personally know one (well two technically) of the Blizzard book writers (Chronicle..) but they didn't technically participate in the writing of that book so they can't really state it was a mistake or not, but last time I discussed it they said they'd check, I think we both forgot. Might try to remind them.
terse patrol
Blizzard will likely double down
hollow dock
but there's no reason for them to do that
terse patrol
If Lorash is that important to them they might
hollow dock
but what is the importance of lorash being that old
terse patrol
Whooooo knows
hollow dock
Which they'd also have to do the one thing
which can actually just get them sue'd. Which is falsely advertising Chronicles.
hollow dock
they can make up a million other lore friendly reasons
terse patrol
who’s to say they will
He’s already written into a short story
I mean, they eviscerated Kael’thas, what’s a little more blood elf lore raped for the purpose of “plot” for Blizzard?
hollow dock
Oh sweet jesus
really?
you're comparing what they did 12 years ago
to now
talk about a petty grudge
terse patrol
@hollow dock After all this time?
zealous basalt
To think that a simple dialogue from a blood elf rogue would change the lore
zealous basalt
Me thinks Quiet is correct and he was bluffing
...Honestly tho I hated that character
Like, in all the parts where he appeared was something like "I will be able to solo malfurion"
terse patrol
tbh
zealous basalt
I mean
terse patrol
the one person I would never want to kill malfurion is lorash
terse patrol
anyone else can kill him
zealous basalt
I dislike people that brag a lot
...just to be squished like a mango
The elf druid though
Golden really knows how to make nice ships
terse patrol
i woulda preferred delaryn and that other sentinel. 👀
zealous basalt
Wasn't the druid shipped with Delaryn?
tulip sun
Lorash is a welcome change of pace to be honest
tulip sun
He is a bad egg, but different than other Blood Elves
zealous basalt
he is edgy x 2
zealous basalt
Sephiroth is likeable
meager zodiac
what ? darkshore?
zealous basalt
ye
zinc sandal
Yeah
meager zodiac
tyrande uses an orc head for the ritual
terse patrol
zug
meager zodiac
if you look there is a pool of blood and an orc head floating alongside tyrande
zinc sandal
Damn
meager zodiac
look at the center of the moonwell
zinc sandal
O_o
meager zodiac
she isnt playing around now lol
zealous basalt
wat in tarnation
meager zodiac
she did kill a lot of horde forces on her way up there
so yeah, she probably needed a head
sullen dagger
lol i think they woke up after reading rsg
@hollow dock did ya see that? https://www.wowhead.com/news=288182/updates-to-the-alliance-battle-for-darkshore-introduction-quest-spoilers?webhook/updates-to-the-alliance-battle-for-darkshore-introduction-quest-spoilers
sudden oak
oh my thats a nice sigil of torment
sudden oak
maybe they brought him as part of the incursions?
meager zodiac
its probable yeah, but it looks cool!
makes the world feel more alive, like that blood elf encampment
sudden oak
yeah its nice to see they are using blood magic and their blood anima I think it was called?
meager zodiac
blood anima golems yeah! also farstriders
whats the context for that ancient of war?
uncut vault
just a night elf vs forsaken area
meager zodiac
oh, charming
uncut vault
forsaken have a ship off the coast and are loading blight off from it
night elves are guarding the beach and summoning ancients
meager zodiac
cool!
sudden oak
@uncut vault hey do you think all the changes in the ptr with the darkshore questline and the saurfang questline are truly from feedback or that it was just added later and people went ballistic before they should
as always
uncut vault
I think Saurfang stuff was partially intended, but they made it a real story choice starting now. There is added dialogue that both sides can see now, not just the quest text
darkshore was 100% player feedback
changes are based in a lot of things people asked for on the forums, and the fundamental story is the exact same
sudden oak
tbh it would great to see the blood golems changing a bit and becoming more blood elves themed
jovial skiff
nnniiiiceee
I think including all the different races and their special stuff in the war campaign is great
still waiting on the Vindicaars orbital blast!
Maghar tech looks way cooler than goblin tech too
hollow dock
it's not mag'har tech. It's goblin tech with orcish flair :p
uncut vault
well, all the ships are manned by maghar so
hollow dock
Indeed. But the designs are all from the Blackfuse company of goblins. It's their fleet, just not their ships. If that makes any sense.
Yes I saw them @sullen dagger as reported by Port and Quiet. I'm happy they took the step in the right direction, but there still is work that needs to be done. Like the Army of the Dark Moon being a legitimate threat (could be they're all elite and you are buffed by a Val'kyr to kill em ala Deathknight starting zone), Sira's little hunt thing on the horde side still does nothing but taunt you from the shadows. Not really a threat there.
hollow dock
OH! that's an unarmored model that was used for tandrids ship no? Or is it a completely unique one?
uncut vault
completely unique, different ship layout from the normal massive ones
hollow dock
are they smaller or larger? 0=
hollow dock
Then it might be a Destroyer-class vessel.
hollow dock
THE SUB IS CANON
OH that's the dude from the speedbarge
@tulip sun will probably be ecstatic to see him used
jovial skiff
wasnt the sub already in the war campaing?
hollow dock
it was a transport vessel at best. we've not seen them used as actual submarines, sinking vessels and such, and now we do.
It's always been implied, but never confirmed so I'm happy with confirmations
cuz some people got sticks in their asses about it being confirmed into canon or not
tulip sun
People just want an overwhelming victory and the other side to be decimated beyond repair
Which won't happen, especially with the PC there
hollow dock
I'm content on the Val'kyrs boon
meager zodiac
nathanial needed 2 flying thotys to survive, wich pleases me
hollow dock
and in fact would wan thtat given to the horde PC to make the army of the dark moon actually ya know. seem somewhat threatening. It's what happened in every other situation like this.
tulip sun
Makes sense. But it is much better
sudden oak
tbh I would like that the Icon of Torment still had the raven in the background
uncut vault
I think I’d rather they just have Brynja right alongside us for the quests
Instead of only appearing when summoned by the button
hollow dock
Just SOMETHING to make the night warrior thing actually matter to more than just tyrande. since it's clearly on the rest of the night elves now.
frozen dust
8.1: Tyrande's Fucking Pissed
meager zodiac
8.1 "tyrande uses an orc head to please her goddess"
hollow dock
can you not
meager zodiac
she did tho
if you look at wow head there is an orc head floating with her
there's even a pool of blood on the moonwell
whole cedar
I personally would have liked better if Nathanos died and Brynja had to sacrifice herself to ressurrect Nathanos, but I think it's a step in the right direction
hollow dock
Yea I can see the blood but there's no head. O.o
meager zodiac
there is!!!
look above! the green thing
with braids
right aboe the stain of blood on the stone
hollow dock
That's grass.
meager zodiac
its a head xD
jade basalt
meager zodiac
there is a head floating there
hollow dock
I still don't see a head, Quiet.
meager zodiac
can we make the "find the orc head" a meme
jade basalt
Better picture https://i.imgur.com/XPwabBO.jpg
hollow dock
Sorry that I'm apparently blind and that needs to be meme'd?
meager zodiac
im just kidding
whole cedar
what about now
meager zodiac
there's the head!
jade basalt
This reminds me of that quest where you put the flesh of Elune's enemies on an altar to receive a blessing
meager zodiac
fresh too
hollow dock
How does this mean she used an orc hand to please her goddess?
meager zodiac
because its floating with her during a ritual
she also says 'with this ofering"
the the head is there floating
jade basalt
According to ancient legend, this ancient brazier was placed here for the performing of sacrifices. From what little you remember of the stories, a blessing is bestowed upon the being who places the flesh of Elune's enemies on the brazier's burning embers.
They probably remembered this
@whole cedar Wondering if you might add that bit to the Wowhead article on Darkshore
They replaced the corpse of Astaari (which was next to Delaryn's and Sira's) with the corpses of Ralara, Tavar, and Sarvonis - three characters from the War of the Thorns novellas. This fixes an inconsistency because Astaari was supposed to have been burned on Teldrassil so she couldn't be on Darkshore.
whole cedar
I can once I'm back home, yeah 😃 I'm about to go out to sort a few things for my blizzcon flight
can you pm me so it doesnt get lost in chat?
jade basalt
Done !
whole cedar
thank you ❤
hardy hedge
Personally my biggest complains were too ingrained in the stort (Ahem. Willing undead nelves) to be saved but I guess this is better than nothing
As a Night Elf fan I feel a little offended by Hordiez telling me that "I am never happy"
jade basalt
Sira & Delaryn's resurrections are probably not something they could have "fixed", because they visibly have more plans for them - they can't just cut them and scrap the whole future storylines. So this is truly the best that could have been done for the Darkshore questing. What you can expect, however, is further justification for their decisions. Maybe it'll turn out that they are slightly mindcontrolled or brainwashed or influenced or anything, we'll see. It seems Sylvanas plans to do that to Derek actually.
hardy hedge
Thats what I meant. They were clearly not going to scrap them but I am happy with what they did
They listen to feedback for once
hollow dock
I really do hope that itis mind control. They should double down on the whole "Sylvanas is becoming Arthas"
hardy hedge
The val'kyr still say they rise willing souls so...
meager zodiac
they also stop tyrande and the player in their tracks with mind controll of all things
its a bit on the nose.
hollow dock
Yea I always doubted the whole "Willing Souls" bit
since. in traveler it's outright said that no it's not willing, the forsaken don't have actual free will. Granted it's made for a younger audience, but still is canon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
meager zodiac
and i dont think its ignored that night elfs arent normaly raised, nathanos even says in the start that you listened right and that it is possible to raise kaldorei, that sylvester has plans
hollow dock
yea. The reason being is that originally, Val'kyr couldn't raise non-humans
without the lich king that is.
Seems they fixed that issue. Convenient.
undone trail
Please tell me it's true?
hollow dock
yes he's rebelling against th horde
yes sylvanas wants to kill him
and yes you can side with him, against him, or just not take a side
undone trail
Don't take this out of context, but I'm with him
undone trail
Like my undead warrior from an rp standpoint secretly opposes Sylvanas because he doesn't want more to suffer the same fate as he unwillingly. He's more horde than forsaken if that makes sense
So fighting for her is kinda.... ehhhh
hollow dock
Not at all. Sylvanas is the warchief. The horde serves the warchief. They are the weapon, shield, and life of the warchief.
That's simply how the horde is. Even under Thrall, that's what the hordes motto is
undone trail
The horde must balance honor and loyalty. When honor is threatened...I mean we're just going to pretend voljin resisting garrosh never happened?
hollow dock
You do realize right
Vol'jin against Garrosh
isn't the same situation?
Garrosh left the horde, took orgrimmar and made the true horde**
Garrosh stopped being warchief. That's why that story worked. Sylvanas is still warchief
zealous basalt
There is a big chance that the resistance isnt goinf to work either
hollow dock
which I sincerly hope it doesn't. This is not a garrosh 2.0. Sylvanas is working for the horde, not against it.
zealous basalt
Also
hollow dock
People don't like her methods and want her removed. that should alone make the problems of the horde stick out like a sore thumb.
zealous basalt
Betraying your warchief just because you dont like it is not honorable at all
Her methods are rough but so far it has worked
hollow dock
it's worked in favor of the horde
zealous basalt
That's what I meant
Sylvanas first priority is having the Horde to control all, pushing away sentimentalism
And as you noticed, honor can be considered sentimentalism
If she would have been a warchief that places Honor over anything
Horde would have been utterly defeated in Lordaeron following their "Victory or Death"
hollow dock
Same with the broken shore.
muted canopy
horde has no space for snowflakes
zealous basalt
Which is something I give Sylvanas props
zealous basalt
I wonder why the skirt
I honestly wondered why skirts for monks
They are throwing kicks, shouldnt that be a little uncomfortable for them?
zealous basalt
I just find it weird, unless the robes are ultra maneuverable
frozen dust
Can someone tell me what the Saurfang choice is?
zealous basalt
You talk with him and zappyboy and go back to Sylvanas telling her a lie that he escaped and killed the ranger
frozen dust
Nnnneat
hardy hedge
Hey Umbric is corrupting baby raptors and rising trolls
Thats more like it
I prefer this over the purge vulpera stuff
feral dune
they got rid of purging squad?
feral dune
shame, i would prefer them to get rid of it
trying to paint alliance as just evil in order to make horde look less evil is just stupid
but so blizzard like
tulip sun
I mean
Raising trolls and void corrupt8ng baby raptor ie evil e.e
Compared to most alliance things it is horrid
hardy hedge
Agreed
I like it. However
I like Alliance leaving their passive stance
And acting more like the Horde
hollow dock
@feral dune @hardy hedge the purge squad isn't actually a purge squad
The allianc side was revealed
it's scare tactics
they're not actually killing the vulpera.
In which, how is he doing necromancy? @hardy hedge
feral dune
they are trying to scare vulpera to persuade them not to join horde?
hollow dock
Yup. basically.
feral dune
neat
hollow dock
It's just to scare them out of Vol'dun and make sure they can't reinforce the horde
Which fails but sets up Sethrak for the alliance
as the Vulpera have had it with the alliance and sethrak.
hollow dock
alright. None of that is what I had inquired about
which is you saying he's rising trolls
hardy hedge
@hollow dock apologies
hollow dock
OK great
this outright proves what I've been saying
void and death don't care about each other
winged heron
whoever writes these raising dead plots: are u okay
hollow dock
Why say that?
winged heron
hm?
hollow dock
It's a smart choice in terms of tactics and breaking the enemy in open combat
hardy hedge
I don't think it's that bad
hollow dock
It really isn't.
hardy hedge
For once I like that the Alliance is manning up and stepping in to get their hands dirty
The Horde had no mercy with them and it's only fair to give them the same treatment
hollow dock
Granted that the horde still does worse but eh.
hardy hedge
(I don't mean it literally. An eye for an eye is not okay but.)
winged heron
for sure i like that part but it’s amusing to see such being a theme so frequently
hollow dock
Obv, Chara.
You do know that everything circulating WoW is fake right? We're allowed the freedom think abnormally to real life when discussing a fantasy world
hardy hedge
I am aware
winged heron
dude relax
hollow dock
I am?
hardy hedge
I just make the anotation because there is always someone who like, keeps track of those and brings it up when debating
zealous basalt
I like this
hardy hedge
Like "Wooow when the Horde does something bad you get mad but when the Alliance does you don't mind!"
zealous basalt
This is what í expext the void elves to do
winged heron
lol chara ikr
zealous basalt
Well, not really but Umbric's explanation about physiological war
hollow dock
Commit more necromancy so that people can stop taking the Alleria comic as canon that the void hates death?
hardy hedge
In all fairness
The Void didn't say it hated Death there
It said Sylvanas was a threat
hollow dock
It called it the true enemy.
Which is what everyone takes
and keeps spreading
despite the fact that void whispers are always personalized. and Alleria hates the horde. The warchief being her true enemy. >:
winged heron
i mean why defend any argument
how do u predict the story at this point
hardy hedge
I rather took that explanation as in, the Void wasn't the one who put Sylvanas in charge
Or a Void related entity
zealous basalt
Would love to see Alleria brutalizing orcs tbh
hardy hedge
I want to see Night Warriors brutalizing orcs
zealous basalt
Those too
hollow dock
Have her "Rip and Tear"™ through some horde
hardy hedge
That sounds like Tyrande
zealous basalt
And then have her sitting on a pile being all bored
winged heron
grant every race Cannibalism
hollow dock
I still want my night warriors on the horde scenario to be elites and you have to get buffed or have the val'kyr weaken them to show power.
Don't have to be cannibals to brutalize enemy combatants, Apostate
zealous basalt
Cannibalism is not a good way to brutalize
hollow dock
just being brutal
zealous basalt
Just being metal
hollow dock
Think like Doom 2016.
winged heron
thank you for clarifying that was what i needed
hardy hedge
Yeah just go Goblin Slayer
hollow dock
that's being brutal
hardy hedge
On them
hollow dock
^
hardy hedge
Orc Slayer
winged heron
😮
hollow dock
we still don't have the alliance incursion of Nazmir right?
hardy hedge
Anyway after the Three Sisters comic I want to believe N'Zoth isn't the one supporting Sylvanas
hollow dock
I don't think support is the right word for it
Since the old gods support nothing but themselves.
zealous basalt
You would think N'zoth would support Alleria more
hardy hedge
He may be taking advantage but he isn't masterminding it
hollow dock
not an ally
hardy hedge
Like he wasn't the one who whispered Sylvanas's name to Vol'jin
zealous basalt
Oh yeah I remember
zealous basalt
In a vision she killed N'zoth and became the og void lord
hollow dock
and it's not like the horde will be hard to beat if they win.
hardy hedge
I get the impression that even the Void is afraid of Sylvanas
Not of Death, but of Sylvanas
hollow dock
That's such an incorrect impression which I guarantee is from the alleria comic
hardy hedge
Yes
winged heron
what’s azshara up to
hollow dock
The void can wipe her out of existence they have no reason to fear her
winged heron
ofc
hollow dock
Azshara is setting up everything that's been going on in hte background
zealous basalt
I remember
hollow dock
Ashvane's coup, the corruption of the tidesages
hardy hedge
So I don't trust power-levels
zealous basalt
Before Pre patch
hollow dock
that's all canonically Azshara
Chara.
A fragment of a void lord slipped into our reality
zealous basalt
Everyone was "it wasnt sylvanas"
hollow dock
it blew up a planet and made the ethereals into what they are today
hardy hedge
I know,Des
hollow dock
and that was a fragment
hollow dock
Because you doubt that the void can easily wipe her aside.
We are insignificant gnats in the grand war of Light vs Void
hardy hedge
I roleplay a Shadow Priest. I know my Void lore
Well, not insignificant gnats. We are the defenders of the last titan
zealous basalt
What guarantees that she will be pure
winged heron
the question is why feel the need to condescend talking about bfa writing of all things but what do i know
hardy hedge
Not much but it's not like there is another option
hollow dock
Still gnats. In the grand scheme of it all, should the void focus its efforts onto Azeroth, we'd certainly lose.
hardy hedge
I don't think so. We won against the Legion who supossedly could conquer countless worlds in countless alternative universes
That was infinite
And we even beat a titan
So like
zealous basalt
At what cost
winged heron
jasjshhsass murlocs
hardy hedge
My point is that power-levels mean nothing to Blizzard. If they want to make the Void fear Sylvanas, even if it's ilogical
They will
winged heron
^
hardy hedge
Like they made her survive more than an attosecond against Malfurion
And if we don't remember them, they would have made Nathanos keep up with Night Warrior Tyrande
winged heron
nathanos can do it don’t let anyone tell u u can’t do something my boy
meager zodiac
Now I realy want an updated video of darkshore, with all the voice files already working
misty blaze
i dont want sylvanas of jaina to die
uncut vault
Honestly, if you arent already testing, its best to wait for live IMO, fully polished and a fresh, natural experience
restive yacht
Guys, I don't know if I'm missing something or if it's just a placeholder but, what is lore behind Jania being last boss for BOTH factions? Why does ally want to kill her?
hollow dock
OK so
zealous basalt
Its called
hollow dock
halfway through each raid
you swap factions
You hear the story through the other faction.
Alliance fights their way to Rasta
the raid ends for them
alliance players hear what happened with the escape and playa s the horde players
while horde players make their way to rasta and do that part of the raid then push their way to jaina
jade basalt
@hollow dock Handclaw has uploaded all his class armor sets so far on his ArtStation https://www.artstation.com/handclaw
hollow dock
eeeeeeeeeeeeee!
jade basalt
Quite a few could be heritage armor 😛
hollow dock
No
restive yacht
Oh sorry lmao
hollow dock
Both sides are fighting it. All alliance and horde members end up fighting jaina. But as "horde"
restive yacht
Right okay
hollow dock
for that portion of the raid
restive yacht
Thanks a ton
hollow dock
np
zealous basalt
But you are really changed
btw did you see that table of conversions, Des?
Humans go dead
minus paladins
they go belves
OH
SURPRIS
PANDAREN GO PANDAREN
blinks
Worgen go troll
rough pollen
So surprising, isn't it?
zealous basalt
Is he paying his respects?
zealous basalt
No F = no interest
tulip sun
Oh, I honestly didn't know what it meant
zealous basalt
dah
calm hawk
So hes close to Mayla yes. And she is Horde. So he aids the horde? As a horde black dragon?
zealous basalt
Yep
blinks
stares
Waait a second
Wasn't he supposed to not be able to get out Highmountain?
@tulip sun @uncut vault
zealous basalt
O
uncut vault
one of the reasons Ive been rooting for Alliance-aligned wrathion, gives both sides an active, powerful black dragon
zealous basalt
Well that would be interesting
the alliance black dragons calling bs on the others for allying with the orcs
tulip sun
I like Ebonhorn
uncut vault
tidesages transform you
jovial skiff
🤔
silk sable
wheres muh cuffs
jovial coral
You'd think there should be different armors sometimes for male and female
meager zodiac
that water elemental model is amazing and im happy is used for more than evil
this ptr build keeps on giving
hardy hedge
Give us that water elemental for every water elemental
uncut vault
not that one in particular
zealous basalt
How are the others?
uncut vault
one turns into the blue version of the current elemental that Jaina has been using, the other gives us the WoD model that the tidesages use
zealous basalt
Hax
mystic heart
@zealous basalt this better
https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/template_resource/7UVEF48KZHJR1524249139083.jpg
tulip sun
ZANDALAAAARRRIIII
tulip sun
Ohhh
I love the art of 2 ARs fighting
First a Highmountain and Void Elf
Then a Maghar and Dark iron
I want more
Nightborne vs Lightforged xD
meager zodiac
I want a tyrande vs nathanos for the darkshore warfront like the profile stare downs
tulip sun
Tyrande isn't in the warfrony itself though
mystic heart
what is questline this?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392758838891380736/505369441442201600/unknown.png
tulip sun
@mystic heart
hollow dock
that's for the uh
tulip sun
Incursion
hollow dock
Where the Void Elves start to turn the Raptors into void Raptors
hollow dock
They also do necromancy and raise the Zandalari dead to demoralize em
mystic heart
is it new?
hollow dock
I mean. It's as new as the incursions themselves are?
mystic heart
kk is it new questline in 8.1? 😄
mystic heart
ah kk
cuz i don't pass all quests 😄
hollow dock
it isn't.
It really isn't.
Raising the dead and void corrupting some wildlife with the exclusive reason of demoralizing combatants is really not evil or even morally questionable. The horde has gone to lengths far worse in this war.
tulip sun
Just because horde has done it doesn't make it automatically better e.e
It still is bad.
hollow dock
they did worse.
tulip sun
That doesn't really matter with what we are discussing.
Void corrupting and using that power to raise bodies is still bad no matter what.
hollow dock
And yet deathknights aren't persecuted nor are shadow priests nor the void elves.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sudden oak
no death knights are just treated as monsters and shadow priests as madmans
hollow dock
Except they're not
As seen Legion, they're fairly just there. Same as well before. They're even allies to most groups.
Almost like the magic itself can't be evil, and only those who wield it can be evil.
zealous basalt
"OH GOD ALLIANCE DID STUFF WITH VOID ANS CORPSES REEEE THEY CANT DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT REEE HORDE ONLY CAN DO IT REEEE"
- Kham in a nutshell
It's a war you donut
meager zodiac
They aren’t bringing them back from the dead just using their bodies as a vessel for their powers
zealous basalt
Who cares if Alliance is purging Vulpera or if they are raising unanimated corpses
tulip sun
But don't pretend it isn't somewhat on the bad side.
zealous basalt
Its psychological war
meager zodiac
It’s like making a stone construct
zealous basalt
Of bones
meager zodiac
And flesh
zealous basalt
And raptors
meager zodiac
It’s cruel but it’s not like the zandalari collect the heads of their enemies
Oh wait!
hollow dock
but it's not bad? They're doing it in the name of, once more, ending a war the horde started.
junior prairie
intact night elf head from...a troll child 🤔
terse patrol
Ugh, if they’re making void elves more like Warhammer dark elves, I’d dig it. Give me void raptor mounts.
zealous basalt
Ye
Ey des
Just like horde seem to take our mounts
We can take raptors
Void them
hollow dock
exactly
zealous basalt
Actually
goes to forums to write petition about void related mounts
OH
You know what else?
hollow dock
the void talon of the dark star
zealous basalt
Lightforged frost wolves
zealous basalt
And I'm saying raptors too
meager zodiac
this one, big, sclary with the universe, silly tongue out, armored and shaped like a friend
meager zodiac
that would also be cool, i admit
jade basalt
Dang. The Air elemental island expeditions have literally Skywall tear through the sky https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/428931346254266369/505800092327084035/unknown.png?width=927&height=644
meager zodiac
holy that looks scary
zealous basalt
....wow
zealous basalt
Wowc
hollow dock
Who's to judge what is bad? the people taking it? the people giving it? We had a long discussion about how good and bad don't really exist in the long run.
The alliance is responding to the horde as they were told. And the horde kept bombing and killing civilians to beat the alliance while they in turn are having their combatants killed by magic.
tulip sun
Your really defending anything the alliance does. By that logic the Horde's actions could easily be spun to be good because who is to judge?
hollow dock
Well the only ones to judge are the kids they burned.
zealous basalt
You cant just defend horde, Kham
Alliance arent reviving the raptors
They find them dead, taken by nature
Which is different of what horde does
Think about it
hollow dock
Context won't matter to Kham, so just be as ridiculous as they're being.
They refuse to see their precious horde as the evil guys.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tulip sun
I already said the actions are pretty bad. But the Horde's actions do not suddenly justify all this stuff the alliance is doing(void corruption and attacking vulpera).
strange falcon
i fully understand horde is the evil guys in this expac,and i absolutely dont care,because i like my tauren e.e
hollow dock
and that's fine
zealous basalt
...
Kham
Kham
Forget it
Lets just them
Let horde step on Alliance
Without them retaliating
That's what you mean, right?
tulip sun
I am not saying that
tropic trail
I think you’re reading way far into what he’s saying.
zealous basalt
Justifications aren't needed
tulip sun
I am saying that the void corruption is still bad no matter the situation
tropic trail
It’s still morally bad, irregardless of justifiability
zealous basalt
So what?
hollow dock
How is it morally bad? Is my question.
zealous basalt
Morally good things doesnt win the war
hollow dock
As in, by what standards and what definitions?
tropic trail
Raising the dead is considered bad, isn’t it?
tropic trail
They’re literally using their skeletons
zealous basalt
Des
hollow dock
Mak the dialogue box from Umbric specifically states they're raising the dead.
zealous basalt
There is a difference of pulling a soul and cchain it to your will
hollow dock
the zandalari aren't used to fighting the dead.
zealous basalt
And reanimating a corpse without any soul and use it as a puppet
hollow dock
Oh they're doing the second?
zealous basalt
Yes
And that's different than the first one
And honestly if you are a horde
And say the first is really bad
Let me remember you that your warchief does that
hollow dock
She does it quite often actually
tropic trail
It’s still necromantic in nature, like raising ghouls and skeletons, so it isn’t morally correct. Obviously Sylvanas has done worse, but her doing something even worse morally doesn’t make it any less immoral.
hollow dock
Again my questions were not answered.
hollow dock
By what morals do you regard them against?
tropic trail
It’s not as bad as binding their souls to their will, that’s for sure
tulip sun
🤔 How do you feel about sylvanas animating those skeletons?
hollow dock
Is it just as "Evil" and "morally corrupt" to create golems?
tulip sun
In the battle
hollow dock
What about using Elementals?
tropic trail
Real human morals.
hollow dock
These aren't real humans
zealous basalt
Our real human morals
hollow dock
or humans in general
zealous basalt
Are idiotic tbh
hollow dock
So why apply something that isn't a similar thing?
zealous basalt
And Kham
tropic trail
I feel like you’re being argumentative just for the sake of it.
hollow dock
I'm not
zealous basalt
They are just reanimated skeletons
hollow dock
I'm developing the discussion.
If animating a body to move and fight is bad
does that mean that using elements, golems, etc
are just as bad?
meager zodiac
its vicious and more moraly grey not what it is
but their intentions
its specificly made to create trauma mixing corpses, void and their precious pets to terrorize the zandalari
its not more evil than an stone construct, but it is a vicious tactic
i dont mind it
tropic trail
If it binds a spirit against its will. then I would say so. It just doesn’t get seen like that because necromancy is so frowned upon in lore
tulip sun
Poor Gonk too
hollow dock
Necromancy is frowned upon because of the evil people who use it.
zealous basalt
I would call it shadowmancy
tulip sun
Alliance angering the Loa xD
meager zodiac
i dont think there is anything of the soul
zealous basalt
Stop trying to backup your precious horde Kham
meager zodiac
the void doenst need a soul to corrupt, it probably fuels the empty corpse
hollow dock
It's literally just an empty husk. Much like what the Farraki Trolls do to animate their dead.
meager zodiac
like if a person is a glass
hollow dock
Make husks and dredges.
meager zodiac
and dying is droping all its water on the groud
zealous basalt
It's more shadowmancy than necromancy
meager zodiac
then necromancy is picking hte water that is dirty nad putting it back on the glass
tropic trail
It’s done via shadow, but necromantic in nature by utilizing the dead for it
tropic trail
Definitely not the same as actual necromancy, though.
tulip sun
I am defending anything e.e
olive wigeon
any news about warrior tanks?
tropic trail
I think it’s a cool thing to see in the story
hollow dock
They're more of the same.
zealous basalt
You 100% defend your Horde like a zealot
tropic trail
Alliance stepping over the boundary of 100% good for once
zealous basalt
Someone had to do it
remote urchin
o.o
tropic trail
The void elves suit that boundary well with, y’know, the void
hollow dock
It's not really an evil thing. It's just terror tactics. Doesn't even disturb the dead.
meager zodiac
its basicaly filling the now useless and empty remains
with a powerfull force that copies what it once was
zealous basalt
They are tools of the ground
meager zodiac
and gives it something more
tropic trail
I don’t think the spirit of that Dino would be too happy seeing it’s skeleton rampaging the streets to be honest
zealous basalt
So what?
hollow dock
Yea but the spirit is left alone to do as it will.
tropic trail
It is still disrupting the dead
zealous basalt
They are bones
hollow dock
I don't see how. The dead are in their own realm independent of ours.
zealous basalt
It would be the same if Horde did it with the skeletons of the fallen
hollow dock
They're not bound to that body. Nor are they bound to this world by some curse. So how would those that die in nature be ya know.
Disturbed?
zealous basalt
Reanimated corpses just to fight
Its not really evil, you are just using something that was left behind
hollow dock
it's like making a flesh golem.
tropic trail
Eh, you obviously don’t get it so I’m not even going to try to explain
zealous basalt
Its not.like. I dont get it
I get it
Its just
My own morals tell me that isnt bad
So...comparing to irl morals is just being stupid
tropic trail
Different groups have different sets of morals
remote urchin
Can people not accept both factions do questionable things or something?
hollow dock
We can when it's actually questionable.
tropic trail
In most circles, disturbing a grave is a crime
remote urchin
...Right, yeah I'm not gonna argue either :P People are a bit fanatical here
hollow dock
But when its not, or weak attempts to be evil, not really.
This is far from fanatical.
tropic trail
Hense why it’s generally considered immoral. Especially among the groups in the lore.
hollow dock
Being an allied race discord leader, you should know that :p
zealous basalt
Trying to get this topic to irl (with how the sensibility of the people is nowadays) is dumb
tropic trail
You may not view it that way, but more people will.
zealous basalt
So?
tulip sun
Ar discords are much more tame
remote urchin
Just saying things how I see it is all. I personally disagree and thing the Alliance are also doing questionable things, and yes, this includes raising the dead with void energy.
zealous basalt
All bodies without souls are tools for an end
hollow dock
It's just never explained how
tropic trail
Both sides do highly questionable things at times
hollow dock
other than it moves a body.
remote urchin
To be fair, I don't think what Sylv is doing is right either
Yeah
Good point
Either way it's gonna happen
I think it's cool on either side
zealous basalt
And if Alliance needs to slaughter and genocide all orcs or everyone in the world
Just to win a war
They will do it
Same with Horde
tropic trail
I doubt they’d do that
zealous basalt
It's a fucking example
remote urchin
I don't though, especially night elves
tropic trail
😛
zealous basalt
What I mean is
tropic trail
Now the night elves, oh they’re out for blood
zealous basalt
Stfu and gtfo with "morally questionable"
hollow dock
They're especially out for blood
but still don't do anything "morally" wrong as you place it.
tropic trail
I just don’t think the alliance as a whole would completely eradicate the horde, doing that would kinda break the game
tropic trail
Morale and morals are two different things xD
remote urchin
By that logic, what Sylv did was perfectly sound though...
tropic trail
Of course
hollow dock
I mean mak you are absolving the horde at this point
zealous basalt
Alliance and horde are fighting for survival
tropic trail
You have to do shit to win a fight
zealous basalt
Des
I never cared about the term "Morally Grey"
I am, a Sylvanas follower in that aspect
hollow dock
You're saying they were right though.
zealous basalt
You need to do shit, bad shit even, to win
Like she said to Saurfang
Honor wont save anything
I would look biased due main
But honestly?
Both sides do what they need to do in order to win
I'm not one for sentimentalism
If I were a Horde soldier
Survival is more important than Honor
And if people are sensible for the decisions made in a game? Too bad for them
junior prairie
except sylvanas has led the horde to ruin, even if she is "gaining" victories Anduin open his arms to sylvanas offering that, it's just that when she saw forsaken running to Alliance literally scared of the crazy undead physcopathic banshee she did...exactly what they was running for
and then obviously everything since
sudden oak
they were running to the alliance to defect
not because they were scared of Sylvanas
when they saw her and the dark rangers killing the defecting forsaken they just ran even faster
sudden oak
arathi was 320? right
uncut vault
Yes
dense plover
why is it there twice?
sudden oak
surely a bug I guess
dense plover
but like
oh wait
its probably because they removed the ilvl restriction from it for testing
so there are 2 versions essentially
sudden oak
that too
dense plover
and theyll just remove the test version
uncut vault
well, my character has 365 😛 I think its just a graphical bug, havent coded it to actually show only if you dont have high enough ilvl
dense plover
that also sounds plausible
sudden oak
btw im not sure if it was here but someone said brynja got voice lines right?
sudden oak
I think the only time we heard it it was in wrath from annhylde I think?
@uncut vault mind linking them if you can?
uncut vault
Svala Sorrowgrave also had lines
dunno if any channel has them, Ive just heard them in game
hollow dock
All valkyr sound the same
You can go run HoV if you want to hear "updated" ones
since there's a boss one there
uncut vault
sudden oak
oh my she sounds really nice
sudden oak
now I wonder who will be the other unknow Val'kyr
since we know the other 2 are Kyra and Sygne
uncut vault
mhm
tulip sun
Used for what??
uncut vault
sieging bwonsamdi's temple
zealous basalt
for war ofc
hollow dock
so the darkshore stuff happens
tulip sun
Insane*
tulip sun
I find it fascinating that Huojin play a large part in Nazmir incursions
I really do like it
The first time they really aid the faction in a significant thing
dense plover
so those are actually the new ancient models
they are essentially HD warcraft 3 ancients
zealous basalt
no
dense plover
uncut vault
though, these druids also have night warrior eyes, so Im curious what makes the other one so deathly looking
dense plover
i think its asleep
or rooted
"Root
BTNRoot.png
Burrows the Ancient's roots into the ground, rendering it immobile, but allowing it to build units.
Also gives the Ancient Fortified armor."
uncut vault
the one by bwonsamdi's temple? Nah its actively sieging the place
uncut vault
being healed, horde player plagues it before the druids can fully heal it
but there are other attacking ones in the vicinity who are also very vibrant
dense plover
interesting
uncut vault
another interesting thing, there are priestesses who use wrath and moonfire
OG wrath with the green lightning
zealous basalt
beard
uncut vault
Starfire too
uncut vault
gnomes, and SI:7 alongside nelfs
night swift
who are the end bosses on horde for darkshore?
uncut vault
Malfurion and Maiev as the nelf bosses, Nathanos and Sira for forsaken bosses
we dunno if there is a third for either
tulip sun
I like that tbh
Instead of stromgarde where eitrigg and Rokhan don't make a lot of sense being there
hardy hedge
So Zekhan's dialogue is finally in spanish and I must confess
That if Sylvanas does something to him
I am going to call mommy Xal'Atath
zealous basalt
In spanish
meager zodiac
so there are priestess of the moon in the field? that is great! @uncut vault
tulip sun
What field
meager zodiac
battle field?
tulip sun
Where
meager zodiac
aparently in nazmir with the ancients
proud dome
meager zodiac
besides the few we see in arathi and the island expeditions one, we dont see any high elfs in incursions and off the such