"Make the decision account bound"
#beta-ptr-spoilers
zealous basalt
hollow dock
I'm a roleplayer and would absolutely be for account wide consequences
gimme dat immersion
remote urchin
Not I.
zealous basalt
The first time we see a decision being made?
zealous basalt
Huh
hollow dock
Remember?
When setting up you rbase in each zone you get 2 buildings
each building has it's own storyline of how it completes the zone
hollow dock
ye.
zealous basalt
Hmm
hollow dock
Shame that this is again for the horde, and nothing for the alliance
hollow dock
"Ey yo, Zappyboi and saurfang escaped and killed the dark ranger."
zealous basalt
Ah
Did you read up that they changed the fight with Tyrande?
Now you dont deal any damage to her at all
hollow dock
No as I scrolled up to be sure I didn't miss anything.
zealous basalt
Neither Nathanos
hollow dock
End result the same?
zealous basalt
I dont know, Port stopped giving updates
hollow dock
Where she barely does anything, is saved by Malfurion and the Night warrior is proven weaker than a normal worgen?
zealous basalt
And you cant do the questline if you make new character
hollow dock
as one will recall, genn actually tore open Nathanos' face
zealous basalt
So makes me think they gotta keep changing stuff
hollow dock
and it took blowing up the skyfire to get him to stop.
zealous basalt
Idk, apparently if you copy your character you can't do the quests anymore
hollow dock
I hope to god that means they took it out to redo the whole thing
zealous basalt
Idk, I'm in the thinking that they gave that part to few dudes while the main team was doing the war campaign
terse patrol
Thats the thing @hollow dock
Genn is the only character on the Alliance Blizzard writers like
Because he’s the most “Horde-like” of Alliance characters.
junior prairie
Demon hunters also had a branching path, Altrius or Kayn
hollow dock
oh yea that is true
zealous basalt
But I thought it didnt matter only for akama
hollow dock
yea. Altrius and Kayne's decision didn't actually impact the story that much. Outside of Akama, it was basically the same
terse patrol
So, my guess is.
Zekhan gets captured, whether you helped Saurfang or not.
They’re not going to make two vastly different outcomes.
hollow dock
what matters is the illusion of choice @terse patrol
calm plank
the problem with an MMO is that you can't have a lot of player choice lore-wise
hollow dock
tell that to SWTOR. (before its expacs came out)
It gave plenty of illusion of choice, despite the endings being the same.
calm plank
the only possible thing is the illusion of choice
hollow dock
and that's the only thing I've been asking for and want.
the illusion that I got to choose the story.
calm plank
that's what I want too
terse patrol
Its weird
Alliance side, you scare the vulpera off.
Horde side, its still purge squads.
zealous basalt
I wonder if its differents view on purpose
You know, what do we do against what do they see
terse patrol
inb4 Twilights Hammer
zealous basalt
I mean, they have to be scared af right?
I mean
I don't mind the Twilight Hammer
afaik they are regrouping
hollow dock
Gotta force that faction war?
zealous basalt
Careful Aim will become baseline in 8.1?
whole cedar
that part about the option of choice on the saurfang questline is very interesting
hollow dock
it'll most likely not change the overall story, but it's nice that we get to choose our side.
whole cedar
yeah I remember that was by far the biggest complaint
do you get any different rewards? you got the cloak toy by siding with saurfang and all
zealous basalt
and praise
whole cedar
you sure? sylvanas mentioned lyana came back
hollow dock
oh yea and Sylvanas' approval
zealous basalt
There is nothing after that, right now?
zealous basalt
Undead Zappyboi
calm plank
n o
zealous basalt
Well....Koltira wants to have words with you
Man
If Sylvanas gives him the Koltira treatment
hollow dock
the man was a traitor to the horde
hollow dock
Please. Do it.
whole cedar
gonna copy another character and redo the quest
hollow dock
If it's not to much to ask, can we get a redo on the Tyrande quest? Heard it got changed by no ones able to actually check it
whole cedar
I can attempt that as well yes
just need to rescue talanji for the 324893249th time because I don't have actual horde characters with BFA content XD
zealous basalt
port said new copied chars wont be able to do it
hollow dock
rip talanji
whole cedar
I have the nightborne I used for the original post and the blood elf i used for the heritage armor coverage, can probably just use the BE
nice I could skip stockades 😄
remote urchin
I don't like Sylv but also not Saurfang so am glad there's 2 options ^^
sullen dagger
i said that several times, but it would be nice to have a decent horde leader
baine would be nice
but nooooooooo, he's a pacifist
heavens forbid peace
hollow dock
I wouldn't say he's a pacifist
strange falcon
did u bois see that mekkatorque drops a mount
sullen dagger
not a warmonger
strange falcon
thats the evilest blizz could go
zealous basalt
y doe
sullen dagger
🇧 ias
strange falcon
now people(even alliance themselves) are going to be destroying mekkatorque for eternity
for a mount
zealous basalt
but
strange falcon
mogs are not the same as mounts
sullen dagger
what are the alliance bosses?
zealous basalt
its a new mount
sullen dagger
i mean alliance only
sullen dagger
eh, the hounds were kinda easy
zealous basalt
ye boi
strange falcon
just watch blizz make the dropchance lower than the staple mounts(invincible/ashes) to twist the blade for alliance players
e.e
zealous basalt
Its just a boss fight so
hollow dock
It's an equal point of blade twisting
sullen dagger
well, rasta was kinda mad at that point
zealous basalt
And besides
hollow dock
If it were the Shoulders of Mannoroth and other mogs would be easy to get
yet they aren't
zealous basalt
And without adds like the adds of Zul
hollow dock
or illidan's blindfolds
zealous basalt
I R8 8/8
terse patrol
Mekkatorque’s alive at least
strange falcon
the peak of irony would be the "omg not mekkatorque!!" people from some weeks ago,farming him into the ground until he drops it
terse patrol
i mean i’m not
hollow dock
I won't be as I am not playing this game anymore
terse patrol
I don’t want a shit goblin mech that has Gallywix’s face on it
I want the gnome spider tank I’ve been waiting for years for.
strange falcon
what if they do release it,but it has multiple gallywix faces all over it
would you still want it
terse patrol
No
zealous basalt
Why would it have gallywix face
terse patrol
It’d just confirm Horde bias 8)
terse patrol
how does what you’re saying make sense
strange falcon
you're saying that you've been waiting for the spider tank for years
and i said "would you still want it,with eventual gallywix faces on it"
and you said no
tranquil steeple
a gnomish spider tank
strange falcon
it's an hypotethical situation
zealous basalt
so a profaned gnomish spider tank
terse patrol
A gnomish spider tank that’s been goblinfied would suck ass
hollow dock
but would you still want it?
strange falcon
but what if that was all you got
hollow dock
As it's a gnomish spider tank.
strange falcon
then in that scenario you would have waited for years for nothing
for an empty promise
zealous basalt
He is not obligated to take anything he doesnt want tho
terse patrol
it wouldnt be the first time
strange falcon
you did get the gnomish spider tank you wanted,it just has weird colors and graffiti
zealous basalt
And it's not like Blizzard have said "We are going to add a spider mount"
strange falcon
but the model is that
terse patrol
Blizzard loves giving the Horde stuff they’d want. Buuuuut, Alliance gets horses.
zealous basalt
coughs nothing bad with them tho
hollow dock
cuz the alliance made blizzard give us horses
we were going to get grand gryphons before that.
terse patrol
Alright, fine. Do you want a Night Elf hippogryph decorated like an orc owned it?
hollow dock
No because I already got my Nelf Hippogryph from Teldrassil. So I have no other needs or wants for one.
terse patrol
I want a faction appropriate version of a gnomish spider tank. The fact you keep taking this back and saying “lmao but what if it look like nightborne spoider tank” is stupid.
“what if it orc spider tank??”
“wat if it gilgoblin tank hehe!!”
zealous basalt
Good job Dafire
terse patrol
“wud u still@want it!?!:!:”
zealous basalt
If you wanted to bait someone into a fite you have done
hollow dock
You wanted a gnomish spider tank.
terse patrol
spider tank
terse patrol
not a goblin spider tank
hollow dock
It is a gnomish spider tank. It's just defaced by some goblins who captured it.
zealous basalt
Capture is a thing in the game
terse patrol
yall are fuckin stupid sometimes, i’m out 👋
hollow dock
LOL
he can't comprehend the point of us asking the question.
See Mak, THAT is someone who'll never be happy or satisfied with anything
zealous basalt
i still blame dafire
Well for once
It's not like Blizzard promises faction exclusive mounts
So I try to not get my hopes up unless its an official thing
Like the worgen remodel for example
Seriously though, I don't understand the fit with the horses
strange falcon
we've demonstrated
that if you get exactly the model you wanted
but it's got graffiti on it
it's the spawn of satan
congrats honkerton
👌
remote urchin
O.o
strange falcon
not to stir more drama,
but you could apply this same reasoning to void elves
e.e
zealous basalt
enters into underground shelter
hollow dock
Except they aren't
strange falcon
it's the textures that give them their identity
strange falcon
you're missing my point here
hollow dock
Otherwise they'd be the same race
and thus wouldn't actually be different. but they are different.
strange falcon
if you got the void elf model,but untextured aka,every single pixel is pure white like those broken alpha models u sometimes get in games
you couldnt tell the difference
between them
hollow dock
In game no you can't tell the difference.
But then again, all those untextured models
no matter what race itis
all look the same
as it's the same half-vrykul monstrosity
Again, it doesn't work in context. On paper it does, context proves otherwise.
strange falcon
if you get blood elf,void elf and highelf in a line,and strip them of all color/textures
they are the exact same
so what you are fighting over for highelf instead of void elf
hollow dock
If you strip two humans or two orcs the same
strange falcon
is pixels
strange falcon
you got the model you wanted(blood elf) but it's got a different paint job than what you wanted
hollow dock
We didn't want the model
you keep forcing that down my throat
even though I keep telling you
strange falcon
i know you wanted the lore of the highelf
hollow dock
***NO I DIDN'T WANT THE MODEL8
You don't though
cuz if you did
you'd actually respect it
but you don't
you spit down on it.
strange falcon
well,there are more "unique races" than recolor n3 with different lore that favors alliance
hollow dock
And that's great for them
Really. It is.
But what do I want? a story enveloping the high elves. Those that stayed and returned to dalaran's ruins to rebuild.
THAT is what I want.
Different model to co-incide? Sure. I'll take it. give em half elf models? While I won't entirely like it as it strips away the idea of pure high elves, fine. I'll take it.
calm plank
Does anyone knows why I can't access the "Trouble in Darkshore" quest?
hollow dock
Port said that you can only do it once per account for some reason
calm plank
well I didn't do it at all
zealous basalt
nono des
he meant
that new characters
...Well in short
you cant access it anymore
calm plank
but then how am I supposed to reach the darkshore warfront
hollow dock
It was tested earlier.
But in all honesty, the intro quest needs to be redone
Absolutely none of it makes sense
calm plank
I gotta say tho the warfront sets are overall pretty nice
hollow dock
eh.
I think they could have done better with the night elf ones.
the horde ones are great and on point
calm plank
I don't really like the horde leather
zealous basalt
They seem
calm plank
but god the horde mail is so good
zealous basalt
really limited to one race tbh
hollow dock
the nelf cloth is fantastic
hollow dock
but the other three are just
zealous basalt
the leather
calm plank
the night elf cloth is wonderful
zealous basalt
is horrible
hollow dock
not at the same level of quality
calm plank
and I quite like the others
hollow dock
I don't. They could have done a lot better with them.
calm plank
personally I'm satisfied but I can see why one wouldn't like em
hollow dock
the nelf plate doesn't look at all for what a nelf would be using out in the forests of Ashenvale or on the shores of darkshore. =/
calm plank
I do agree the NE plate is weird
calm plank
but I don't have a plate toon so not my problem
zealous basalt
probably just up to mail
meager zodiac
it looks like the ravencrest amor tho?
hollow dock
Ravencrest was a Lord.
meager zodiac
its the main reference for plate night elven forces, so i think its not that badly done
hollow dock
and over ten thousand years old
meager zodiac
so is tyrande and everyone else?
hollow dock
yet
none of them exhibit
that same style
=/
Do you see the issue I have with it now? It's an outdated style of the night elves that absolutely doesn't reflect them as they are in this war.
Yet all the other sets for the 2 warfronts we have, do.
meager zodiac
maybe the warfront armor is also supposed to be themed after night elfs but made in a way other races can wear it?
hollow dock
So was the human and orc ones
so was the forsaken one
yet they still fit with current themes.
Not nelves though
meager zodiac
how? the colours are right, the shapes and textures of the various materials are right
hollow dock
I just posted as to why
meager zodiac
they inspired on ravencrest the main reference for a plate night elf
hollow dock
if you don't wish to read my words, we won't have the discussion
[12:58 PM] Des: the nelf plate doesn't look at all for what a nelf would be using out in the forests of Ashenvale or on the shores of darkshore. =/
meager zodiac
literaly there are zero reference to plate night elfs
hollow dock
Sentinels
Sentinels use half-plate
covers the important bits, still allows for mobility and tree hopping
meager zodiac
that one that literaly doenst incorporate any of the night elf texture, like silver and gold and scales and looks like something out of a 90's reject comic?
meager zodiac
yeah no, i would much rather them pulling inspiration from ravencrest and hunteress kasparian than some halfhassed model from vanilla that wouldnt look good on the other races
hollow dock
I don't like it
simple as that
It doesn't fit night elves. That is my opinion. if you don't share it.
Fine
calm plank
I just realized they are changing the platform next to the alliance ship in Boralus
calm plank
it's not physical yet but it's neat
hollow dock
so they just made it easy
jovial skiff
Haha, they added extra planks and just pulled the rails off?
What about the pile of rope everybody uses to hop the other rail?
jade basalt
@hollow dock Yea, that's because none of the night elf sets are good. Don't misunderstand this as "they don't look good", that's subjective and some people will like them or not. They're not good thematically, in that they literally do not look like any kind of night elf gear. The closest thing to it would be Huntress Kasparian's armor, which actually got the colors right - dark purple instead of vivid violet/literal pink, muted gold instead of cartoon gold, and the gold is a thin trim surrounding the dark purple surfaces instead of literally 70% of the set.
Kasparian's model and armor : https://i.redd.it/7ha8hd6y6zi11.jpg
What we're getting : https://i.imgur.com/fbZdvVc.png
The thing that really sucks is that all the Forsaken sets look both thematically appropriate, and have right, appropriate recolors (Undercity faint purple, Brown, and Grey/Dark). Meanwhile the night elf sets are Power Ranger violet/cartoon gold, Red (they tried to do Burgundy but it ended up looking like Horde-red), and friggin Alliance cartoon blue/gold.
zealous basalt
Where is the first armor from?
hollow dock
Hidden night elf armor added in 7.2
jade basalt
It's from the Huntress Kasparian model
hollow dock
I actually completely forgot about it
jade basalt
Not available to players
jovial skiff
And those weapons? What types? Warglaive, dagger and small shield?
hollow dock
Sword, glaive and sentinel glaive
jade basalt
You know it's terrible when the Horde recolor of the Forsaken set still matches Forsaken perfectly.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411187738520322050/504675274340696064/unknown.png
But the Alliance recolor of the Night elf set is just the opposite of "matches Night elf", this is a friggin Stormwind clown.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411187738520322050/504675392691503106/unknown.png
@jovial skiff Huntress Kasparian's weapons, not available to players either
hollow dock
I know I'm not crazy in thinking what I think. Thank you for the support Quiet. =D
I think what's really funny is that the cloth set does fit in thematically. But the rest of the sets don't. :x
jade basalt
😛 It's just really, really awful from a design point of view. I don't know what happened. Like, you can literally spend 4 hours Googling stuff right now, every single piece of night elf armor and gear and art is consistent, both official art and fan art. Night elf = dark purple. That's simple. It can be silver/grey (Sentinel) or green (Warden). And brown stuff for druids. That's not complicated. Yet they came up with friggin, disgusting power ranger suits with the most awful color matches possible. I have no idea what happened.
strange falcon
is this a case of hOrDe BiAs ? ,you tell me,i dont play alliance,so i am not a valid testimony
hollow dock
I would say that yea. this is just horde getting something better than alliance. The clear love is on the horde side here.
jade basalt
I don't like the term "bias" because it sometimes has that "it was made intentionally" connotation, which I don't think is the case here. Or.. ever. It's just.. incompetence or ignorance or I don't know. Something went wrong. This is supposed to be Night elves, I don't know what we got is: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yZy9ziutmaA/hqdefault.jpg
Even the mount which looks awesome from a design point of view has every friggin color of the rainbow in it for some reason.
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/800833.jpg
Someone recolored it with Photoshop to match night elves (and priestesses, since it's supposed to be a Priestess of Elune mount) better. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/411187738520322050/502821835369480202/Dpu4JsDU8AMUew1.png
jovial skiff
I like blizzards version, but think they could do both
hollow dock
it looks like some horde got ahold of the saber
and we liberated it from there and didn't change the leather barding
and I do get that they maybe don't intentionally give the nelves shit.
but they've consistently not been kind to them since cata
¯_(ツ)_/¯
jade basalt
The red is because they tried to reproduce the Wei Wang druid armor (which has been used a number of times since) which is purple with a very slight hint of burgundy. https://effysrponwyrmrestaccord.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/warcraft-night-elf-2.jpg
But it ended up wine-red.
https://i.imgur.com/nylM8LG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lftZjE8.jpg
hollow dock
but htey dipped to much on red and not enough on purple
jade basalt
It's a shame that 2/3 (literally, 2 recolors on a total of 3) of the night elf sets and weapons are not really close to being night elf-themed.
Like, this looks more like a Horde weapon. https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/790350.jpg
And this is a Stormwind power ranger weapon. https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/790348.jpg
Imagine if they had used a Warden-green recolor ? That mace would have been a perfect Warden weapon, even has a Warden-like owl on its surface.
Meanwhile the Forsaken equivalents..
Appropriate for Forsaken https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/790317.jpg
Appropriate for Forsaken https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/790319.jpg
Appropriate for Forsaken https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/790318.jpg
jade basalt
It's a bit of a shame overall. There's also the fact that Forsaken sets make way more use of 3D parts in the chest and waist area, like for example the Mail Forsaken set's waist is : 3 bags, 1 dagger in the back, 2 chains, and pieces of cloth forming a sort of "robe" or protection. The Night elf mail set's waist-area is : a belt.
Maybe they'll still get updated but, yeah.
People have waited literally decades for appropriate night elf sets and weapons and I don't think they could have possibly been more disappointing. Anyway, that was my rant.
jovial skiff
But how long until they get it?
hollow dock
ten more years.
and it'll be a recolor of the BC cloth crafted armor
which is what tyrande used for years
meager zodiac
I disagree? Simple as that perhaps ? The weapons are scourge like, I like the armor, and if you need someone else to vindicate you, keep those thoughts to yourself so you don’t make such a sad figure
jade basalt
It remains a question whether races that get warfront armor can also get heritage armor, or races that got heritage armor can also get warfront armor.
Like, for example orcs. All their thematics have basically been used, it would be rather hard to make Heritage armor for them. I asked other artists about them (handclaw, Isei-silva..) and it's complicated. The "plate, spiked juggernaut" thematic is already taken by the Warfront armor. The grunt armor is already in from WoD. And the Grommash/Warrior-style, asymmetrical armor is taken by the Mag'har orc heritage armor (literally, same chest, feet and shoulders) :
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411187738520322050/502651077771001856/image0.jpg?width=849&height=644
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/725992.jpg
So I'm not sure what's left, or if it's enough to make a heritage armor. The only thematics that haven't been touched upon are : WC3 farseer with the wolfskin on the head (though various shaman sets use it), and the WC3 Blademaster necklace/beads. But neither of these are really "orc heritage armor" material, they're very niche. But we'll see.
hollow dock
Mhmm that is an issue I do forsee. Humans and Orcs don't have much to go on that's left to use.
Trolls are in that bit too.
Darkspear that is
as their armor is usedint he trollraids
meager zodiac
I agree with everything stated about the colour schemes, but I like te texture of the armor and it’s design while being okay on other races that can wear it
jade basalt
Darkspear I could see just being a literal copy of the classic Shadow Hunter set (so, Vol'jin & Zappy Boi), I think people would be happy with it
hollow dock
Well yea but that already exists doesn't it? as the leather sets from Zul Amanand Zul Gurub?
jade basalt
Because there seems to be a pattern for the main races :
- Dwarf heritage is literally a straight up copy of the Mountain King from WC3
- Blood elf heritage is also the Spellbreaker from WC3
hollow dock
So would Priestess of the moon be for nelf heritage armor?
meager zodiac
Btw don’t tag people only because you felt vindicated by someone else when you were already resorting to “ it’s my opinion “ @hollow dock
jade basalt
@hollow dock
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/small/268275.jpg
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/small/264698.jpg
hollow dock
I wanted you to see the more in depth expanded rant than I could ever produce
jade basalt
This is handclaw's concept 😛 https://i.imgur.com/RxXd2yD.jpg
Based on Vol'jin/Zappy boi/WC3 Shadow hunter
zealous basalt
Hmm that seems really nice
jade basalt
@hollow dock For Night elf, if my hunch that they're based on WC3 is right (it may not be), then it'd probably be Huntress/Sentinel.
Oh you need to look up his work. He's a buddy of mine and he's recently gained a bit of "fame" by doing class-specific sets for each race.
Trolls for example : https://twitter.com/handclaw/status/1050157563520708609
hollow dock
https://www.deviantart.com/handclaw/art/Armor-Concept-Tauren-Sunwalker-741940764 Oh my god, legitimate sunwalker armor
I am looking it up now
I am floored
meager zodiac
His work is great!!
hollow dock
jade basalt
His deviantart/artstation are unfortunatley incomplete, I think his Twitter is the actually complete and uptodate one though that's not really practical. I've told him many times to take care of his devianart dangit.
meager zodiac
Yeah because Twitter is pretty wonky when it comes to browsing trough artists work
jade basalt
Ah found it, his Instagram works :https://www.instagram.com/handclaw/
So far he's done draenei, blood elves, trolls, tauren, worgen, gnomes
Dangit. Blood elves aren't there yet, it's still on his twitter.
zealous basalt
The worgen ones
jade basalt
Anyway. Yeah, I think there's still room for Darkspear heritage armor. 😛
calm plank
so in other news one of the npcs that is supposed to help you in the Tyrande scenario is hostile towards me
but she's still unkillable
meager zodiac
Yh you are not the first to complain about that
meager zodiac
Is it one of the druids?
meager zodiac
Then yeah it’s bugged it seems, report it because it’s happening too others as well
Isn’t maiev also hitting her ? Someone showed me those 2 hitting the worgen Druid
hollow dock
yea the scenario is broke
calm plank
scenario machine 🅱roke
hollow dock
I really hope that it's broken because they're tryign to fix it
meager zodiac
It kinda goes downhill after that part anyeays soooo
hollow dock
and by fix it, I mean rectify all the mistakes they made in making it
meager zodiac
You realy are not missing out on anything
hollow dock
I'm assuming you're on an alliance toon, Use?
meager zodiac
Special after she gets her new outfit
hollow dock
If so, you kill a Val'kyr after Tyrande fails to beat Nathanos, a common undead that was defeated by a common worgen, and Malfurion had to go and save her
if you're horde
You succeed in every little thing you meant to go and do but lose cuz. well. A val'kyr got killed. So the missions a total failure
terse patrol
people aint even talking about the coolest thing they could give junker gnomes if junker gnomes happen
junker gnome “DRUIDS” who can turn into ROBOT ANIMALS
jade basalt
Dangit. The "glove" 3D pieces are actually part of the robe. Here I have nothing equipped from the set except the chest. https://i.imgur.com/opHP0cd.jpg
The gloves are just this. https://i.imgur.com/Swmr4Tc.jpg
The icon makes one believe otherwise. https://i.imgur.com/WQR5yaW.jpg
zealous basalt
Probably an error like the dragon rider armor?
Where the belt took part of the pants?
jade basalt
It's intentional, Mythic T21 Warlock is the same for example, sometimes they attach it to the robe to avoid clipping most likely 😛
https://i.imgur.com/wJCl0q8.jpg
Except it had the icon right. https://i.imgur.com/ABSoiNP.jpg
remote urchin
Huh, strange
zealous basalt
Peebs seem to like how brozzard put the choice thing
whole cedar
i'm more impressed with how they're listening and adding feedback for those things. usually you'd expect them to stick to their guns
although now i'm sure zekhan was never meant to survive this expansion
strange falcon
ZEKHAN WILL REMEMBER THIS , blizz has turned into telltale,since it has shut down https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/800962.jpg
calm plank
Des is that you?
uncut vault
I’m happy about the change, also happy that Zekhan actually is a biased character, and embellished/mistook Lyana’s intentions
hollow dock
No it isn't @calm plank
As I don't want Sylvanas ot be a raid boss
I want her to be killed in a patch. The ultimate disrespectfor her that she deserves
terse patrol
Even better
@hollow dock mention she dies in a book, but dont show it in game or in a book
zealous basalt
i got a better idea
in a book
in game
in a place no one knows
@hollow dock @terse patrol
zealous basalt
A TWEET
terse patrol
in an overwatch cinematic, where mcree says to d.va “yall seem as happy as when sylvanas died in that world ‘a warbuilding game”
@hollow dock
hollow dock
P E R F E C T )
WAIT)
EVEN BETTER)
ITS IN STARCRAFT 3)
EASTER EGG ON THE TERRAN SHIP
hollow dock
I already told you I RP here on discord
so I was talking to an RP buddy before coming back here
habits die hard
zealous basalt
I was messing with ye
jade basalt
Ear holes https://i.imgur.com/vVp7LOu.jpg
humble sun
I looked at King Grong's raid journal entry... The Alliance are evil, taking intelligence away from something.
You can tell me all you want about how Sylvanas is evil, and really bad. At least she hasn't taken intelligence from another sentient.
hollow dock
Except she has? See Delaryn and Sira where it sure as hell seems like they're mind controlled
In which case, does Grong willingly align with the alliance and agree to become our weapon before-hand?
humble sun
Mind control isn't a form of taking away sentience/intelligence and replacing it with something else.
hollow dock
In which the horde was enslaving his people
humble sun
I doubt he willingly trade his intelligence for super strength.
I highly doubt that happens.
hollow dock
I mean. that's what the quest did.
He got furious at the horde for enslaving his people
he then agrees to become our weapon
Remember, he's intelligent thanks to Azerite
not kajamite. So he helps out the alliance.
zealous basalt
Cynical
You are forgeting
The journal descriptions
are intended to be biased against the other faction
hollow dock
^ that too
zealous basalt
Grong willingly let himself to be made a weapon to aid the Alliance
humble sun
Blue are monsters. Down with blue.
hollow dock
Except they're not
zealous basalt
It's ok Des
hollow dock
the horde are still the monsters that burned children alive
zealous basalt
You can't argue with them
Instead of trying to see what happen they stay in one side of the game
hollow dock
Like there is honestly nothing, unless the allianceburns down orgrimmar with all its orphans in it, the alliance can do to surpass that
I stay in oneside of the gameand are still more informed
zealous basalt
That is you and me
other people prefer to be ignorant of what happens in both sides of the story, mostly because it seems to be the first time WoW has 2 different sides of the story that are intended to be heavily biased
If he wants to keep ignorant to what really happens (Which will likely be repeated as soon 8.1 launches)
Up to him
meager warren
Remember those vulpera the alliance harassed, vris?
hollow dock
The horde still burned alliance children alive.
zealous basalt
It is stated above that the alliance used fire to scare them off
But they never touched them
The "Purge Squad" doesn't happen Alliance side
However it does happen in Horde side
So what I think it happens, its a matter of the Horde PC
Perspective*
Which is what also the Vulpera saw and felt
zealous basalt
They are playing with perspective
I can figure this because
It also happens in the raid
Alliance says something to Rasta
but the troll that Horde speaks to (to have the fight)
Remembers something else
Same happens with Alliance
they see the Horde doing something else
when it might not be true
but it's a matter of perspective
strange falcon
nono,literally humans with a plastic horse head
terse patrol
No
zealous basalt
Put that meme on the trash
terse patrol
@zealous basalt Magni goes to talk to them in BTS.
zealous basalt
no u
terse patrol
..
hollow dock
nou
zealous basalt
but ye
Everything is biased on purpose
Hell
we might not even know what is true and what is not
terse patrol
After he was done talking to Sylvanus, he went to talk to the Centaur in Desolace.
To get them to help heal the Wound
zealous basalt
Ah
And honestly
I could see
What could put Sethrak on Alliance
The paranoia of the Vulpera
terse patrol
Vulpera being assholes to them ye
hollow dock
as the Vulpera are already apart of the horde
zealous basalt
To the faithfuls maybe
hollow dock
the horde being assholes to the sethrak
as the vulpera don't see a difference between the Faithfuls and Faithless
and bam
zealous basalt
Yeah
hollow dock
snakes on the alliance
zealous basalt
But I am afraid
This 8.1 ultra biased on purpose stuff everywhere
Is going to end with many friendships
i can smell it
Or at least
those that are restricted to play one faction
its going to be interesting for the most
It's ironic, you know?
neat idol
Hello guys, you think the troll heritage armor will look like zappy bois armor?
neat idol
Well, im not too old here, but on the cinematic almost all trolls have a similar armor
jade basalt
@humble sun The gorilla volunteered. The entire questline is about how he wants vengeance on the Horde so he's eager to go full Hulk/King Kong on the Horde
zealous basalt
Aha, i knew it was a king kong reference
does he gets in love with some blood elf?
jade basalt
King Grong / King Kong 😛
hollow dock
Shame he wont comprehend it
terse patrol
p sure he’s a troll
sullen dagger
mon
humble sun
Don't be sayin' "'Ey mon" to dem mouthless space tings. Dey will kill you.
jade basalt
Heh, the gorilla hand is not oversized on tauren models, and could practically pass as just the normal tauren hand. https://i.imgur.com/2OaxHVE.jpg
uncut vault
its not straight up lightforging like what happens to turalyon/draenei, its a new kind of resurrection
sudden oak
and didnt have the usual yellow eye color of the forsaken
uncut vault
we arent supposed to know what it means yet
whole cedar
so uhm, about the saurfang questline, idk if this was mentioned anywhere
sullen dagger
bias?
whole cedar
apparently there's a third option where you pretty much just tell the conflict to shove it.
zealous basalt
how 2 get it
whole cedar
that's what i'm trying to figure out right now lol
zealous basalt
....
This seems like
a "this is fine" quest
So basically
You have the option to
rebel
not rebel
and not give a shit
whole cedar
i've tried accepting both quests and flying away from swamp of sorrows and just running away from zekhan and not getting any quests, no dice so far
as long as you don't complete either grim tidings or for the queen, you can abandon either quest and choose the other side
jade basalt
@hollow dock She wasn't Lightforged, nope. The 'Lightforged humans led by Calia' Allied race is supposed to be a joke but some people thought she actually was supposed to be Lightforged, that's not the case. She was just resurrected by Anduin/Faol/Saa'ra. Except that the Light 'brought her back in the way she wanted', essentially. She wanted to be closer to her people, so the Light brought her back that way, as un undead.
hollow dock
Alright thank you Quiet.
zealous basalt
Although she wasn't in a rotting stage like the other undead
dense plover
jade basalt
She is very much undead. She also had pale white eyes if I recall correctly, instead of the classic yellow or blue or red.
Apparently the Darkshore questline has received a huge rework. Red Shirt Guy tells me he's quite happy. It kind of looks like they took each point from his 'Darkshore questline is bad' article and fixed them one by one.
It's apparently extremely buggy however. I haven't tested it our myself.
RSG also added "Someone on Twitter is saying that it's changed Horde side too, though not to the same degree, only the finale is different. Instead of just channeling starfall, Tyrande uses new void themed abilities and is able to dodge all of Nathanos' arrows like bullet time or something."
junior prairie
I thought it was said her eyes was golden like the forsakens and while she showed signs of undeath she was still more..well like Nathanos I guess but less zombie looking
uncut vault
night elf mail armor got most of its 3d assets implemented
also, Im the guy on twitter 😛 just did some of them last night, doing alliance side now
junior prairie
@uncut vault Looking nice!
uncut vault
cant test them anymore on the PTR intentionally though
zealous basalt
@hollow dock
uncut vault
this is on a character that laready has the quests
junior prairie
@jade basalt
jade basalt
@uncut vault do you recall some of Tyrande's abilities' names ?
zealous basalt
Fucking End Time
jade basalt
@junior prairie Would have to test it out when it's not bugged but yea that's promising !
junior prairie
Oh I meant about calia
zealous basalt
...Where the fuck is Des
junior prairie
I thought it was said her eyes was golden like the forsakens and while she showed signs of undeath she was still more..well like Nathanos I guess but less zombie looking I've forgot how they described her
She is a dream makore... 😮
@jade basalt
zealous basalt
I think Des is a boi
uncut vault
Dark Side of the Moon
hollow dock
I am a dream
uncut vault
she throws out a large void orb, the new models from Legion, at you
hit like a truck
junior prairie
...I'm slightly excited but also not...at hearing tyrande now uses void abilites
I really hope they don't go the route of secret old god eluneee
junior prairie
I know I just really hope that it's just that, and not like she's secretly an old god on a moon XD if it's like she's still mysteriously has both light and void and isn't a naaru shudder or a old god..I'll be happy
junior prairie
you said fockin 😮 pats
zealous basalt
its for des
junior prairie
hehe
jade basalt
@junior prairie No no, they were glowing with a white color
Calia's eyes
I looked it up to confirm 😛
jade basalt
All good!
zealous basalt
What chu think bout Blizzard reworking stuff
junior prairie
I listend to the book via audio so XD
uncut vault
Its refreshing to see blizz actually use the PTR as a place to give feedback, not just sort out bugs
zealous basalt
RSG is happy todai
jade basalt
I haven't tested out the changes myself. It's really nice if they took the feedback into account. I may have said something to a friend or two at Blizz. 😛 The rework, if true, is to the extent expected, they work around the already voiced lines (at least I haven't heard they recorded new ones), which is expected given the time constraints, yet still manage to make the whole thing feel better.
zealous basalt
i told you all that there was a small chance
hollow dock
I want to see those words answered.
zealous basalt
wait until it becomes less buggy
jade basalt
I linked an Mmochamp thread above
hollow dock
Currently in a game of league so I just looked over to see this.
jade basalt
Apparently Tyrande goes full Matrix on Nathanos and evades all his arrows and then she summons the Dark Side of the Moon and stuff and he barely makes it out alive (from Portergauge)
uncut vault
maiev seems to be straight immune to blight due to her warden vengeance powers?
she walks face first into it before blinking behind and killing the blight spreaders, shandris comments on it
zealous basalt
hax
uncut vault
definitely changed from before, she just blinked and had no comment beforehand from shandris
junior prairie
Lol...like I want tyrande to be over powerd by I'm also laughing if she becomes neo..there is a fine line between ridiculous and over top
zealous basalt
At the ritual there's more NPCs now on both sides (terribly buggy atm because the Worgen Druids are hostile to their own faction and immortal), the attacking horde troops are way bigger and overrun the camp at the end. Cutscene[not there] -> all horde troops are dead with that glow.
Sadly those buggy worgen were not and had a fight with Tyrande and Maiev for minutes until I managed to kite them so far away from the camp (luckily was there with my prot-warrior) that Tyrande lost aggro on them and did a reset so that I was (after a shadow meld to get rid of them myself) able to speak to her (wasn't possible in combat), while Maiev still was fighting those Worgen at the other End of the region. (relentless like she always is)
Damn
what a mes
junior prairie
She is the chosen one tyrande breaks free out of WoW this is the real world XD
zealous basalt
s for the undead camp I don't know if it was bugged because I attacked them before Tyrande was in the right place. That resulted in them getting frozen by her, then with Tyrande running back and saying her line in a certain location as all of them were already frozen.
After Malfurion killed the shredders she kills all forsaken in the camp but their leader with starfall. She still has the line with "let them rot" but there was only one left. I don't know if her killing the camp was a bug now or if the line needs to be updated. Since all seemed even more buggy than the last time I tested the scenario everything seems possible.
The end is pretty much the same with a tighter timing, Sira and Deralyn don't wait as long until they bloat their lines and promptly leave in canon, it feels a bit more like a rushed escape. (still crappy overall)
After a ride under the belly of the hippogryphen (still bugged) to the boat everything was over.
jade basalt
The plot won't change : essentially, the Horde is invading Darkshore and Tyrande comes to kick their ass out. That just won't change. The problem is that it was so badly done, it looked more like Tyrande got her ass kicked and nothing was done to the Forsaken. So it seems they decided to work it to make it work better. @hollow dock
zealous basalt
And now Nathanos got his ass handed
junior prairie
...I want a tyrande picture with long trench coat and black glasses now XD
jade basalt
They notably realized that having an Avatar of vengeance that spares her enemies really isn't much of an avatar of vengeance.
zealous basalt
Understand Quiet is talking not from
a 1st person perspective because he can't do da quest
rite?
hollow dock
So did all the forsaken die ordid allof em except belmont getoneshot orsomething?
jade basalt
No no, just reporting what Red Shirt Guy told me and the Mmochamp thread I linked (which he gave me)
Yeah she straight up kills all the Forsaken apparently, and leaves Belmont as a sort of warning. It's slightly convenient of course but infinitely better than just.. leaving everyone alive and frozen for no reason after she literally had just yelled 'kill them all' and 'no mercy'. Now she actually has no mercy and she does kill them all.
tulip sun
I mean
I understand what Blizz is doing
They don't want one of the only original forsaken to die
tropic trail
Hey, a survivor can tell the tale
hollow dock
No they are saving belmont for the warfront
cuz
he's an actual part of it
like he's a step inreclaiming it fromt he alliance
uncut vault
this worgen bug is hilarious
zealous basalt
Are they kicking your ass?
uncut vault
No, theyre just unkillable
had to kite tyrande across all of darkshore to get her to despawn
zealous basalt
more bugs than the first time?
uncut vault
just this one
tulip sun
Des, I know that
zealous basalt
Think they are going to change it more, port?
hollow dock
So if you know that he's apart of the warfront
so they can't have him die
why say they're doing it for reasons completely unrelated?
jade basalt
Keep in mind Darkshore is very dark
The lighting does the set good because it makes it look darker and the colors are more natural
If you go to Stormwind it re-becomes jarring
jade basalt
I think it's still incomplete. They added a 3D plate on the chest last build, but the legs still look a low rez, stretched blurry mess. They may receive 3D plates too.. maybe.
zealous basalt
idk
zealous basalt
what that
zealous basalt
swag
junior prairie
I just had a horrible thought
Alliance characters becoming void and light... shudder
zealous basalt
thats 2 op
junior prairie
Oh I meant within faction
zealous basalt
das 2 op
junior prairie
Anduin, Turalyon, Velen light, Alleria, Tyrande, ...Jaina XD void
uncut vault
it is actual void in the horde version
hollow dock
Jaina's not void
uncut vault
also, Astaari was replaced/removed
junior prairie
@hollow dock I had to pick another character 😭
zealous basalt
Who is Astaari
uncut vault
now its three characters from the novella, sira, and delaryn
priestess in teldrassil that sang the song as the night elves burned
zealous basalt
Ah
hollow dock
She was supposed to have burned in the tree
uncut vault
nathanos now has a buff, Val'kyr's boon
hollow dock
but she's fully incontact onthe beach
zealous basalt
what does it do
jade basalt
Who are the 3 characters ?
uncut vault
increases health and damage
zealous basalt
hax
uncut vault
explains why hes powerful enough here
zealous basalt
Still hax
uncut vault
Tavar, Ralara, and Sarvonis
first was a rogue with Delaryn, other two were highborne
Nathanos and Tyrande get locked in "Mortal Combat", cant deal or take damage from anyone else
zealous basalt
And Nathanos doesnt deal damage to Tyrande either?
hollow dock
It's an improvement
but.
as that MMOchamp thread states
(still crappy overall)
But its a step in the right direction
maybe it's better when not buggy
tulip sun
I like it. What else could possibly change to make it better?
hollow dock
Idk. Make shit actually appropriate to the canon?
Correct me if I'm wrong Port
but
It was detailed in prior lore that the val'kyr can only raise humans right?
Without the lich king
uncut vault
Yes, but in fairness, like a lot of the stuff in Silverpine, plot convenience was involved
and nathanos makes explicit mention of them being able to raise elves now
it isnt just forgotten that they cant
hollow dock
So more plot convience for the horde.
Right.
so Kham since you're so astute and determined to say that the horde isn't biased in BFA's story telling, how many conveniences were the alliance given?
Answers open to you as well port cuz at the moment I can't think of to many.
uncut vault
kul tirans suddenly liking jaina just fine after only her mother sees the visions, no explanation of how they found out
jade basalt
I haven't followed the discussion, the question is 'when were things made convenient for the Alliance in BFA?'
hollow dock
Plot-wise
As I keep seeing hte horde get them to get their plotpoints done but not so much for the alliance. Outside of what port just mentioned
since suddenly now the Val'kyr can raise elves
uncut vault
presumably its any race, since nathanos wants to raise Mekkatorque too. Which is put as a pretty clear "we'll find out why later" moment
zealous basalt
What about the thing Jaina uses to get the kul'tiran fleet?
hollow dock
since the restrictions on val'kyre just got lifted*
for any reason
The heart of the Sea? They kept mentioning all over the story that Daelin was able to recall the fleet
wherever he was
We just never knew how.
jade basalt
I guess it depends what you mean by that. For example in 8.1 there's a bunch of smart gorillas who join the Alliance because the Horde smacked them. Kind of like how the Vulpera ally with the Horde because the Alliance decided to burn their caravans. Or does that more count as 'shoe-horning'.
That Silverpine thing about Val'kyr only being able to raise humans was always weird and seems to have been retconned a long while ago to me. For example back in MoP Sylvanas told Lor'themar she would raise his blood elves. And one of the plots in War Crimes is about raising her sister Vereesa and her kids to join her in death forever.
hollow dock
that would count as shoe-horning.
jade basalt
Implying she could raise non-humans and, in this case, elves, back then already
hollow dock
A plot convience would be "Well we can do this now so we can get this story rolling"
Where-as with those two I always thought it was specifically her doing the raising. Since she is capable of doing it..
uncut vault
She isnt, Sylvanas has never been able to raise actual forsaken
jade basalt
As far as I know she can only raise skeletons like any classic necromancer
Not really 'Forsaken-level' of undead
hollow dock
How was she making the Dark rangers then? 0=
zealous basalt
Weren't those just banshees like her?
hollow dock
For that matter, who was making the forsaken in the crypt prior to cata?
did we just wake up and become forsaken or?
tulip sun
She didn't make the dark rangers.
vernal tartan
@uncut vault can you link some of Tyrande's void spells? Really curious about 'em!
jade basalt
I don't recall it ever being explained. They were either banshees who possessed their own bodies like Sylvie (WC3), or val'kyr-made (the one in the hunter order hall attributes this to Sylvanas).
sudden oak
forsaken pre cata just wakes up as undead if im not mistaken
vernal tartan
@uncut vault thx :3 Srsly, it's a cool twist.
jade basalt
Oh yes, I meant the Dark Rangers
hollow dock
Where there dark ranger NPCs running around Undercity in vanilla?
I never actuallyplayed horde then
zealous basalt
If there were, they were using nelf models then
uncut vault
they were added in Wrath, if I recall, just didnt have the model for them before then
jade basalt
Nope they showed up in WotLK
hollow dock
So. Was there ever anexplination for that? Or was it at least said that they were always there and just hiding?
uncut vault
I mean seeing as dark rangers existed in WC3
and those units became NPCs in WoW
they were always around
jade basalt
The implication is that they were always there - they were with Sylvanas in Warcraft III - but they were added a bit later in WoW
Dangit Portergauge, second time you're faster 😛
hollow dock
Alright that might have been my confusion then
as I took them just appearing there as she made them
uncut vault
its why I type in small bursts
hollow dock
cuz otherwise where the heck did they comefrom
uncut vault
gets my thoughts out faster
jade basalt
Ah yeah that's a valid confusion.
zealous basalt
oh god
zealous basalt
blight?
terse patrol
At least the Lightforged are being used
I dont like how blizzard used them as fodder in their war campaign.
I think the Lightforged should be elite troops.
@uncut vault
uncut vault
well, velfs should too, but "elite" typically just means "never used"
so being used is better than nothing
hollow dock
Is it wrong that I'd rather nothing to being misused?
terse patrol
^
I like how Umbric and the Velves are used
They have impact.
Having Captain Fareeya show up with her crew occasionally would be cool.
terse patrol
see, that’s what lightforged should be
Literal super-elite soldiers who have been fighting for thousands of years.
jovial skiff
The vindicaar portals can be used for near instant teleportation anywhere on azeroth, and it has orbital strikes you can call down at will
Cant wait to see the lightforged mechs destroying forsaken
hardy hedge
"Heh...Not bad...You made me use 10% of my power." - Nathanos to Fareeya
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/800962.jpg
Battle for Azeroth: A Telltale Game Series
jovial skiff
cant wait to google the quest results before making a choice!