now that I think of it, the horde actually got to overachieve
#beta-ptr-spoilers
uncut vault
We wont know if theyre recorded until theyre either tweeted about by someone or released onto the ptr
tulip sun
Tyrande incapacitated a lot of forsaken troops(Killed? I got no clue on that part- either way, they gone for now), pushed into Darkshore, AND had a little icing on that with a dead Val'kyr.
tulip sun
The Horde escaping with some Undead elves and their lives doesn't change that
hollow dock
NONE OF THAT WAS THEIR OBJECTIVE
tulip sun
Still happened, to their benefit.
hollow dock
and that doesn't make it a victory or make any sense in how it's a victory
hardy hedge
Look. What happened there is the problem of narrative vs intention
hardy hedge
Blizzard thinks that what they make LOOKS like a victory
But it doesnt
It looks as if the Horde wins more
zealous basalt
They can
hardy hedge
Nathanos accomplished his objective
zealous basalt
But they don't wanna
hardy hedge
He raised Sira and Delaryn
tulip sun
Believe what you guys want. They did accomplish things, despite the Horde also accomplishing things.
hardy hedge
The val'kyr that died was expendable. And Tyranze only killstealed kt
uncut vault
honestly, I think what really makes it feel like less of a loss for Horde is that we dont know Brynja
tulip sun
and it was NOT at all expendable
uncut vault
this quest is literally the first time we find out her name
hardy hedge
Because the PC and Malfurion lowered her health to 1/3
tulip sun
There are THREE Greater Val'kyr left.
uncut vault
thats my main critique, aside from the night elf troops being kinda useless
hardy hedge
Yeah. Still enough to raise Sylvanas
uncut vault
we really should have learned all the valkyr's names a long time ago
tulip sun
Ya, which is VERY dangerous
hardy hedge
One Val'kyr less doesnt change it
uncut vault
learning who Brynja is five minutes before she dies is so meh
hardy hedge
Look. Nathanos accomplished almost anything he went there for. He raised a lot of Nelves. Got info on the Night Warrior and raised Sira and Delaryn.
The Alliance did the Night Warrior ritual yet still got handled. They didnt stop the Horde from raising more Nelves, they didnt stop them from killin Sira and raise her alongside Delaryn. Damn, Tyrande as the Night Warrior is absurdly lame
She says "The time for mercy is over." yet she spares a whole base of Forsaken
calm hawk
Val'Kyr aren't expendable they are the only thing holding the Forsaken together
hardy hedge
And cant beat Nathanos on 1 on 1
hollow dock
it wasn't that much of a loss.
and no they aren't Obsidian
lesser valkyr can raise forsaken just like greaters
but the lessers can't replace Sylvanas in hell/helhiem or wherever it was she goes
So they're only really valuable to her
hardy hedge
That one val'kyr was an acceptable loss. Sylvanas can still revive if she needs them. And it was literally the only thing the Horde lost
They didnt lost anything else
Fuck Nathanos wasnt even mauled
hollow dock
^
Like Red Shirt guy pointed out in his article
which you would be clued in if you actually read it Kham
The Night Warrior
hardy hedge
When Nathanos fought Genn. He got his ass handled and everyone reminded him so
hardy hedge
Here he snarks Tyrande like she was a nerd
hollow dock
Like lie to us and say the same things over and over but don't lie to yourself D=
tulip sun
You do realize the Horde is utterly demolished in this patch? Your complaining that they accomplish some things.
But the Alliance do accomplish other things
zealous basalt
That's not
hardy hedge
The Alliance accomplishes killing Rastakhan but they are later said to suffer heavy losses
zealous basalt
The issue
hardy hedge
They do tell us that the Alliance is "winning in every front." but the trick is that we dont see it
Thats the problem with the narrative
hollow dock
sigh
hardy hedge
They want to tell us something vs what they actually tell us
hollow dock
I don't know why I keep bothering with Kham.
I pointed that out
when Ian's article came out earlier today Chara
zealous basalt
Biased view
hollow dock
Kham just kinda spat on it and said we're overreacting
and that we should keep an open mind cuz its early PTR
hardy hedge
Look I have a forsaken avatar. I have been a Forsaken fan since I played WoW. But I just dont buy this lol
zealous basalt
In comparison of b eing rep gated in live?
Like, there wouldn't be anything to have as a requisite
clear mesa
zealous basalt
Ya, we already spoke about it several hours ago
jovial skiff
Porter rather than a time gate it will probably just phase you once youve completed it, after maybe a small wait and some rep grinding
just like it does now
hardy hedge
"Give me 20 good men." - Nathanos Blightcaller
zealous basalt
one week?
jovial skiff
maybe a couple days tbh
it didnt take a week to hit the various rep levels for 7th legion
oak wraith
Time gated stuff usually runs with the weekly reset cycle, if it's for everyone (so if you start in week 3 you can do the stuff for week 1, 2 and 3, etc.). At least, that's how I remember it working.
jovial skiff
well... they could also expand the War factions to have paragon rep for us to grind out too
I pray they dont
zinc sandal
So the Night Warrior eyes
Do we know if they’ll stay that way, or will Blizz add glow?
Because...while it’s really cool, I’m not excited about my character squinting 24/7.
dense plover
@uncut vault I think it might not be in yet. They just added the strings this week so it might not be ready for testing
mystic heart
someone want go to battle for darkshore in 2-4 hours?
hollow dock
sure why not.
tulip sun
Will you be able to get enough people to queue this time of day?
hollow dock
I imagine hes asking here to get a premade going.
tulip sun
It is just alliance right now isn't it?
I would help out but have no max alliance in bfa so far.
hollow dock
you do know that the PTR gives you, at random granted, a faction swap right?
actually Port gave you that info the last time you said that Kham
tulip sun
Good for him?
zealous basalt
facepalms
hollow dock
and then you wonder why I tend to want to just block you as telling you anything is like talking to a brick wall.
tulip sun
There was no reason to tell me that e.e
As if knowing what he said in the past helps anything. I must have missed or forgot it
zealous basalt
He was telling you that you could change your horde to alliance if wanted
There was no excuse to not try both sides of the ptr rn
hollow dock
^
that was the point of me telling you that
since you said the same thing yesterday
tulip sun
This is confusing....hm. Maiev, Malfurion, Shandris and uhhh
Jarod are all in the warfront together.
hollow dock
How is that confusing?
they're probably the last of Night elf command for their forces. since you horde decided to genocide them
tulip sun
Because, Malfurion is supposedly a commander and Maiev.
Perhaps his chat box popped up on accident
Unless there is just a group of characters on each side this time.
and not separate commanders
hollow dock
So why wouldn't Shandris and Jarod be there?...
tulip sun
Jarod is a recruitment officer.
But Maiev, Shandris and Malfurion just are NPCs. Perhaps it is just a group effort instead of a single commander like Stromgarde.
hollow dock
no its still 1 commander
you kill the commanderand its done
they're just named NPCs in there. Arathi has their own named NPCs taht show up.
tulip sun
Who shows up in Arathi
zealous basalt
They probably arent all warfront commanders
hollow dock
some admiral a dwarf, and a gnome
zealous basalt
We might have a different commander
tulip sun
It is interesting. So perhaps either way all of the characters appear.
But one is in charge.
hollow dock
You know what. You do you and think your ways.
zealous basalt
We might have to wait for the next cycle
hollow dock
Yea. Neat.
But you also speak of things that just break the warfront.
I feel like common sense just gets tossed out the window
tulip sun
Not my fault if it breaks things.
It is what is shown
OOohh, that is cool. A Blightguard Captain is riding a plagued protodrake
hollow dock
Where is it shown though
Like where is it that you are seeing that all of them are warfront commanders
zealous basalt
Forsaken are going to be wiped from Azeroth
hollow dock
for you to say they're all warfront commanders
tulip sun
Thisalee Crow is also there.
hollow dock
So then, with logical straight forward thinking, why would you think they're all warfront commanders?
and great to see she wasn't slaughtered
hollow dock
that'd be funny
hollow dock
it's nice to see that the old trick to not re-download all of WoW still works
get out
remove yourself
terse patrol
no
tulip sun
Bashal'aran doesn't have many walls o.o
hollow dock
You're banned forever.
zealous basalt
Honestly tho
Blizz should let characters like Thisalee Crow have their own spotlight
zealous basalt
Like shesh, you have tons of new people from the Order Hall that have some charisma
I want to say death knight Nazgrim but he isnt new
But hell, he was quite fun to interact with
zealous basalt
His snickers was strangling everyone
hardy hedge
They ruined Thisalee tbh
tulip sun
I expected the warfront to be the entirety of Darkshore
Looks to be only he top half./
zealous basalt
Just like Arathi warfront
hollow dock
If Arathi wasn't the entirety of Arathi
why would this one be the entirety of Darkshore?
tulip sun
I don't know why.
zealous basalt
In open world content that is
tulip sun
I forgot Arathi was just one part of it.
hollow dock
So did they finally fix the broken phasing of darkshore
is my question
@uncut vault how do I turn off lua errors again?
tulip sun
Ok, and Lorna Crowley is there.
hollow dock
Ah good, Mak. I get to experience the terrible writing of 8.1 firsthand now.
tulip sun
Seemingly leading the Gilneans
hollow dock
They wont
hollow dock
Normal sentinel, Night Warrior eyes. @dense plover
dense plover
Yeah
I said that vris
The only place with night warriors that aren’t tyrande is at the docks
The npcs the horde raises in darkshore are not night warriors
hollow dock
That they raise no
they aren't
Never said raise
said kill
the ones they kill and fight through
dense plover
I’m not sure they are
hardy hedge
I saw some streams. Why?
hollow dock
No.
I don't
The ones you kill int he tyrande questline
dubbed
"Army of the Black Moon"
dense plover
It needs work
tulip sun
Hordeisde just forsaken and goblins thus far.
hollow dock
Chara keeps telling you that there's Mag'har there
tulip sun
The alliance subboss or whatever for the lumber mill is a Keeper of the Grove.
Des, I read that.
zealous basalt
Is the warfront arsthi levels of fun?)
hardy hedge
The mag'har appeared as enemies in the Alliance one tho
tulip sun
I will keep an eye out for it
hollow dock
Oh that's cool
tulip sun
Still have quite a lot of watch
hollow dock
the war npcs right
fromt he war table in Stormwind
they get voices and tell us to repel the horde
@dense plover Happen to know how to turn off the lua errors?
dense plover
Off the top of my head no
But if you search for /console in this chat, porter posted it a few days ago
I think it’s /console scripterror 0
Maybe
tulip sun
It does seem like some have night warrior eyes in the warfront
OH, wow. Did not expect Celestine of the Harvest to be in the warfront.
hollow dock
Well. Yea? The gilneans took a heavy hit as well.
tulip sun
She just didn't seem the...fightng type. It is nice to see her
hollow dock
That common sense thing coming through
hardy hedge
zealous basalt
Were they in the beggining or wat
hollow dock
As a general FYI
the command to turn off Lua Errors is /console scriptError 0
anyone on the PTR able to help me kill this elite for the incursion? Would want to see the finish of it
tulip sun
So...
I found out where Mordenta ppears
Oh, I do see Tess.
She is beside Lorna. Totally missed that
tulip sun
Mordent should appear more
hollow dock
Why do I feel like all the characters could appear doing nothingbut dancing andKham would love it.
zealous basalt
I want Thisalee as commander now
So des
What would be you reaction
If they leave the eyes for the elves?
hollow dock
what eyes?
zealous basalt
Nope
I actually think most peebs would like da red eyed elves
Well
I do
Even if it doesnt make sense at all
mystic heart
so who have ptr client
go test warfronts pls 😄
hollow dock
Damn it. Unable to now. ;3;
mystic heart
servers are down?
mystic heart
mystic heart
kk guys
it's not possible 😄
sullen dagger
ah the saurfang going rogue?
hollow dock
Yea and the pc killing lyana
zealous basalt
Even if the 8.0 quest we were following Sylvanas
sullen dagger
yeah, that's horseshit
zealous basalt
Without saying anything
zealous basalt
Ye
zealous basalt
...well
hollow dock
We're homicidal sociopathic hobos
zealous basalt
HORDES ARE MORE
tranquil steeple
look at what we do for loot
hollow dock
^^^&
sullen dagger
that's the usual efect of dying and rezzing so many times
hollow dock
We also commit genocide on a daily basis
night swift
Mute homeless murder hobos
zealous basalt
But enough to turn on someone we follow willingly?
hollow dock
Why not?
zealous basalt
Because why having a patch worth of quests where our character feels so in home with what they are doing
And suddenly go like
"Wait, I will do this"
hollow dock
Make your own story for it. IMO
Why did my character care about the frost dwarves in Storm Peaks?
zealous basalt
Own story =/= intended PC choices
hollow dock
Or the shadowmoon exiles in Shadownoon valley?
Why did I care about it.
You have the prompt so make a solution up
Or just bitch on the forums
Your choice
zealous basalt
How can you make a solution after betraying your warchief that your PC seems to love?
Mind Controlled?
hollow dock
Ask yourself if the pc actually loves the warchief
Or if theyre following
B3cause shes warchief
sullen dagger
miiiiind control
zealous basalt
And if you go to the Horde capitals
Few people that follow Saurfang are roasted into oblivion
hollow dock
Yup. Which makes the tension even higher
Or again
Not do that
And bitch on the forums
Like some spoiled brat =^]
zealous basalt
Like u do
hollow dock
I dont.
I dont bitch on the forums. Once its out
I hate it
And still write around it
Doesnt mean at all that I liked it
hollow dock
I do too. But it has its issues and Im not blind to them.
zealous basalt
Even if they have excellent writers
But they just decide to do a mediocre job
And I'm afraid of something Des
sullen dagger
problem with choices is , if the choice is major, you have a major problem with the lore
zealous basalt
BfA becoming an expac thst had a lot of content
sullen dagger
so the writers just have to git gud
zealous basalt
But shitty writtinf
I think its like
A communication problem
They write something but dont know how to transmit it to us
Just as RSG said
Its a good idea on paper
zealous basalt
An xpac that has a nice reason to exist via words?
They proved it can work
Look up and Elefy and a good war
hollow dock
Siege of lordaeron proves they can put it in game
zealous basalt
But somehow they forget it
Or just dont have the will to put it
And I pity Ion, you know?
He said so many good things of 8.1 that hyped most of us
zealous basalt
But the execution
If this keeps like thos
Will be por
Poor
And what will happen?
"When will Ion get fired?"
hollow dock
Oh that happened already
zealous basalt
And I love hypocrites Des
They call out him out
But at the same time
Xompare it to WotlK that had excellent raids
When Ion designed them
???
hollow dock
Ikr?
heavy cairn
Uldir's a good raid too, no?
hollow dock
It is
zealous basalt
And honestlt
hollow dock
But first raid-itus
zealous basalt
Ion makes good mechanics
heavy cairn
the majority of the problems are outside of uldir, funny that that's one of their points of comparison
zealous basalt
When I saw Sco from Method I saw that he was enjoying it
hollow dock
And ion actually qent over why these problems take so long to get fixed in his recent forbes k terview
Interview*
zealous basalt
He is a good director tbh
I do not know if he is better than Metzen
But so far he has doing nice works
hollow dock
Hes not that great at PR damage-control
Metzen wasnt a game designer.
He was a story writer.
zealous basalt
Was Green Jesus his work?
zealous basalt
I didnt like thrall story but I loved cata
hollow dock
Eh
night swift
Green jesus was weird
hollow dock
That whole arc was weird yes
Wonder what metzen thinks of the work with anduin
Since he loved anduin more than thrall
zealous basalt
But back into thing
Sadly it's not the work of one man to make a game run smoothly
hardy hedge
Anduin is one of the least bad things in BfA
But most of the Warcraft fanbase are edgy teens
So they cant understand the idea of a character that isnt an edgelord
hollow dock
How is anything with anduin bad? O.o
zealous basalt
Least bad
hollow dock
Varian wasnt an edge lord.
hardy hedge
A lot of people say he is "stupid"
hardy hedge
Varian started to get loved after his death. A lot of people complained about him before
night swift
Anduin has become Manduin
zealous basalt
People dont know what they have until they lose it
zealous basalt
Tbh
hardy hedge
I think Anduin is pretty okay and consistent. He is a young man that has been forced to take a role he despises as a pacifist but that he understands has no choice. He doesnt want to send his people to die and continue a pointless war, but he also knows he cant talk his way out.
zealous basalt
The community just devolved
Like it was somewhat good in Legion
And turned out int fucking crybabies that would harass a man over twitter
hollow dock
Yea anduins in a tough spot.
Though on BFA
He does know war has to happen with sylvanas. Until she is removed, no peace can be worked towards
hardy hedge
But people call him an idiot because "He didnt kill Sylvanas when he could."
hollow dock
Because hes not sylvanas when he- god I hate this community and their lack of understanding character
Much like Varian, at MoP, spared Garrosh, sylvanas needs to stand trial.
night swift
That’ll never be addressed
I wanna hear about vicious saddles
I want that fucking gilnean warhorse
hollow dock
It was already addressed tho
Yes there used to be sharding when the server load couldnt handle it
hardy hedge
Shadow Priest changes HAHAHAHHhaha!!
hollow dock
Ion did address this in his Forbes interview
heavy cairn
yea but that's too many pings, look at any world boss group
well, I don't know how you avoid the lag...
hollow dock
Fiber optic cable mostly.
zealous basalt
It's not their fault your pc cant handle people
zealous basalt
Idk whatchu talkin bout
hollow dock
/shrug
zealous basalt
I have been in invasions with 3 raids
Never got a bit of lag
A little of graphic issues
heavy cairn
I haven't seen any server-side world boss lag issues until BFA
zealous basalt
But never lag
heavy cairn
maybe I get sharded to oceanic or something lol
zealous basalt
Yes
heavy cairn
oh I guess it wasn't world boss, it was those rare elites that still get the same amount of people
zealous basalt
Garrosh 2.0
Why garrosh 2.0
If it was arthas 2.0 the meme would have more sense
heavy cairn
arthas wasn't a friendly leader NPC in WoW
zealous basalt
What part od
Ion doesnt talk about story
People dont understand
His creme is game mechanics
terse patrol
Sucks being on an RP server and not seeing. . . anyone in SW lol.
zealous basalt
Fuckin shit
night swift
I don’t even really see people in boralus
I probably don’t go to the right spots though
zealous basalt
I dislike WrA
Of the three guild I have been
I have been attacked for being a double agent and being latin
hollow dock
Maybe for you, clearly not him though.
tulip sun
One of the better rp servers I experienced.
And that's why I asked what guilds
I am curious
tulip sun
I wonder if they're still around
zealous basalt
Yes, they are
And honestly from Alliance part it sucks
You cant rp unless you strictly follow Lore
uncut vault
WrA Alliance is where a lot of the disliked lore elitists from Moon Guard transfer to when people get tired of them in Stormwind
Generally Horde is better there, both because they’ve got a better open environment and a lot more friendly people
zealous basalt
Well, saldlt not for me
I just gquited yesterday and focused on leveling my DH rather than my cow
tulip sun
I havnt explored alliance side much
zealous basalt
I have come to a conclusion
The best rp you could find imo
Is Moonguard fo Alliance
WrA for Horde
tulip sun
That was my first role-playing server. Alliance moonguard on alliance
hollow dock
Generally yea
hollow dock
Moonguard tends to be great. If you acoud the problem areas.
zealous basalt
Moonguard alliance is more friendly and lore bending
hollow dock
Avoid*
zealous basalt
But I wish there was more open world rp
tulip sun
The guilds I joined generally didn't last long
zealous basalt
The only open world I was at was...the Arathi thing
hollow dock
Thats rp guilds in general tbh
hollow dock
Only a very select few actually stay around
tulip sun
Makore, what are you trying to do that the peeps on WrA didn't like?
hollow dock
Tbh its real easy to step o the toes of a lore nazi
zealous basalt
My dragon guild (laugh at me if you want) kinda died because everyone just stopped playing with us
And well
hardy hedge
RPing in an MMO in the open. You are doing it wrong
hollow dock
Like if you say that you were there to see the lich kings fall, bam. Youre doing it wrong.
tulip sun
Ya
hollow dock
I dont agree with that at all
zealous basalt
I was trying to introduce a character that got trained by pandaren in their youth due the few traveling ones that were around
And that's bs
hollow dock
But I rp on a private server so.
tulip sun
Huh
hollow dock
/shrug
zealous basalt
What is the cause of having a big world?
tulip sun
That is literally my main character e.e
zealous basalt
If you are going to stay in one place?
tulip sun
A Pandaren who traveled years before MoP
hardy hedge
Else if you just like, trust anyone in the open to follow your mindset in rp then you are gonna get disappointed
hollow dock
Like Chen did.
tulip sun
Ya
tulip sun
It is said in lore he wasn't the only one
zealous basalt
Mostly to have an esxuce of having a human that was good on being monk
hollow dock
They were just rare.
tulip sun
Huh....makes me wonder what will happen when I actually try to do stuff with my pandaren
It sounds like you have just bad luck with who you end up interacting with o.o
Or maybe I just didn't see that side of people yet here
zealous basalt
I saw them in gillies
And was like
"You dont like lorebreaks but you rp in gilneas pugs"
So yep
zealous basalt
In the end I got in a guild where I meet a nice friend
tulip sun
My most fleshed out person
zealous basalt
She loves dragons with an intense love
zealous basalt
But then I got in the wrong shoe of the leader
tulip sun
I am tempted on faction changing her so I don't gotta search for a new guild alliance side
But I already have her developed specifically allianceside
zealous basalt
Mostly because I took over the guild because she stopped playing
And made a highborne
So she end up rping her highborne, didnt care about us
Most people left
Then I took over and tried to make it good again, she noticed it
And well
Doxxed me
tulip sun
Do you remember the name of them?
zealous basalt
Yes
And thankfully she doesnt play anymore
They went to a private rp server where no one bothers her
tulip sun
Mind telling me or don't you want to tell us?
hollow dock
Know my frustrations Kham =^]
tulip sun
I am very interested now and want to check these folks out.
tulip sun
Queen?
zealous basalt
Yes
tulip sun
And they yelled at you for lore?
hollow dock
And this is the lore nazi
zealous basalt
From her own kingdom
hollow dock
Right.
hardy hedge
Ayyyyyy lmao
zealous basalt
Thst got obliterated by the waves
hardy hedge
zealous basalt
And got into an stasis
She was too at start
But when we came to discussion over guild
She was like "my stuff is small enough to not have a weigh in real lore"
tulip sun
I think you just may have went with a bad group of apples. O.O
zealous basalt
???
I gave up in wow there
Gave leader to another friend
And quit
Then when I go back this other dragon lady friend got me in
hollow dock
I think she didnt realize theres only 1 Quee
zealous basalt
And since that I have been rping with her
hollow dock
Queen*
hollow dock
Azhsara would have pbliterated her
zealous basalt
Qnd she was acting like that
hollow dock
Obliterated her*
hollow dock
Like fuck, ot even Elisande was Queen
zealous basalt
Not my boy
He really stepped up against her most of the times
But she always gmodded her way in when the things was bad for them
hollow dock
As yiu should. Any good highborne knows Azhsara is the one true queen
zealous basalt
Mostly because I took advantage of the Chi thing and almost exploded her from inside
You know, Chi Explosion back in WoD
hardy hedge
You should have used the Touch of Death lore bit
zealous basalt
Ye
hardy hedge
It was a quote in one of Legion's Legendaries
hollow dock
Monks are stupid op in lore
zealous basalt
But I don't really want to oneshot everyone
hollow dock
Before them it was Shadow priests
zealous basalt
And everyone that followed her was pissed at him
hollow dock
Nor should a monk do so
zealous basalt
"How can a human be so strong, stronger than us'
hardy hedge
Shadow Priest and Warlocks are pretty strong too
zealous basalt
And I was like
hollow dock
Theres qhere I homebrewed up specific arcane wards to guard against mental assaults
A lot of people had
zealous basalt
Timed 5
hardy hedge
Yeah but not many people come to that conclussion
zealous basalt
15 clones giving them the corporation
hardy hedge
So they got blown up
hollow dock
But to many randoms leave their minds wide open
hollow dock
So when my spriest would look ay them and burn fear into their minds theyd yell godmodding
zealous basalt
The good thing about monks is that they don't follow anything in specific
And he was like "I think shadow is cool too...its the other face of the coin with light"
hollow dock
Neither does my spriest. She steals her power from the void.
Shes actually a shadow mage but ya know. Class restrictions
zealous basalt
But then he got dicked
Like dicked hard
And got a trial and had like all his ability to use chi sealed
He cant even use magic so now he is a good ol rogue
This was hell for him because he was heavily dependant, but he still has da same speed of sonic, gotta go fast
I love rp, I really do
But
Damn, some people
hollow dock
Yea
Its a lot like D&D
When you get that DM thats just open to fun stuff
Its a blast
zealous basalt
I am unable to DM
zealous basalt
My words get over eachother
And the last time I dm I send everyone into a big af trap
And we spent like 3 days figure
Des, the only thing he feared because he wasnt unable to defeat
Were death knights
zealous basalt
And nothing of chi works on a dead body
hollow dock
Yup.
hollow dock
And they dont need sleep. They dont need food.
hollow dock
Whats really funny is that people dont realize rigbt
Deathgrip
Isnt only a pull in lore
Thats the game mechanic. It can be used to toss people around
zealous basalt
"Edge"
hollow dock
DHs tho man
zealous basalt
Now, the other death knight was a fucking deus ex
hollow dock
Their chi is all sorts of fucked up with their demonside
hollow dock
Tbh if you disarm a dk
zealous basalt
throws help me carving
hollow dock
Theyre pretty much powerless
zealous basalt
I thought that was with second gen
hollow dock
Third gens suffer from it too.
zealous basalt
Hax
hollow dock
How
zealous basalt
He called a dragon to help him...that didnt end up well for the dragon but at least the DK was send to a volcano
Sent*
hollow dock
Rip draggo
tranquil steeple
rip dragon 2k18 - 2k18 
zealous basalt
And since that day he respects dragons
...a little too much I gotta say
But we arent heading there
hollow dock
Dragonspawn????? :excited:
zealous basalt
....tho the amount of dragons he has been sworn too
The first dragon ended up being his gf
And she died from some dragonhunters along a death knight
The second was a bronze that got lost in time
How do you even
And the third one is my dragon lady friend
And she is v nice with him
Its fun to have a constant friend to rp with
dense plover
Is the QnA over?
zealous basalt
Ye
night swift
Yeah how’d the q&a go?
zealous basalt
Talked about azerite powers
About traits not repeating in the future 4 ringed ones
Talked about tanking stuff
Healer shams
Hinted about a possible future premade only heroic warfront
dense plover
yep
all the darkshore flight points are gone
going to see if the zone changes are in world
ionic terrace
dense plover
also, lighting effects are kind of bugged this build
hollow dock
good thing I play on low graphics 😎
terse patrol
@hollow dock tbh I kinda want Thrall, aka Green Moses, back. p sure that's what Saurfang is doing. Going to Nagrand to find Thrall.
uncut vault
hope that they give him his hair back
thrall with braids > thrall with anal beads
Id overall be satisfied with the thrall storyline if by its end, we got back the warrior-shaman mix he used to be
cata and beyond leaned him way too far onto the shaman side
legion took him too far out of it with his depression
zealous basalt
Is me or legion made him somehow old?
dense plover
he IS old
uncut vault
well, Legion Thrall was him finally letting his burdens get to him
dense plover
hes married with a kid
uncut vault
he'd been holding himself up as an essential pillar before then, now he's not the only shaman the world relies on, he's got a new life, and a lot of regrets
I think they went a bit too far with the suicidal stuff but I assume that was due to Metzen's influence
jade basalt
He's 32
terse patrol
32, then
jade basalt
He was 19 in WC3
terse patrol
So, not old.
jade basalt
Nope.
terse patrol
He's more than capable of being Warchief still. @dense plover
idk why people think he's old.
jade basalt
Probably him shaving his head recently which kind of makes him look older
But hell, even Garrosh is older than him
Well.. was.
terse patrol
@jade basalt He shaved his head prolly to look more "spiritual".
dense plover
never said he was incapable of being warchief
terse patrol
I hope they had him grow his hair out.
dense plover
i just would prefer saurfang
terse patrol
eh, I think the Horde needs Thrall back, as long as they fix him.
Get rid of the trenchcoat.
jade basalt
I think it might have been to match Metzen. 😛 Hence the beard as well, and the kids, and his retiring.
dense plover
thrall had his son in cataclysm
jade basalt
They basically admitted as much a few times during different Blizzcons
terse patrol
Metzen's life is likely way less hectic now, and his surgery went well.
dense plover
but he doesnt work at blizzard
dense plover
i dont think he wants to be on call as warchief
why do you think they cut thrall's role from BfA?
jade basalt
He said he'd love to keep voicing him, yea.
terse patrol
So?
jade basalt
He actually said it like it was a certainty that he'll keep voicing him. I mean I don't know if or when Thrall will return, and I'm not arguing about that, but when he does, he's pretty much guaranteed to be voiced by Metzen.
terse patrol
Blizzard would not pick another voice for Thrall. They'd send him off before then.
dense plover
voicing a character and voicing a main story character are different
terse patrol
Coming in for a couple days and knocking out some voice lines for a patch?
jade basalt
Eh, voice sessions don't last super long.
terse patrol
It's not like he's doing the work he used to do at Blizzard.
jade basalt
Oh no, I'm not even arguing about Thrall becoming Warchief at all. Just the voice thing.
dense plover
i dont
terse patrol
And I think it's possible Saurfang may or may not be heading for Nagrand.
Since that's Aggra's home.
terse patrol
He's heading for the Blasted Lands.
Why is he in the Swamp of Sorrows?
Why does he seem to be heading for Outland?
What else is there out in that direction?
dense plover
khadgar
terse patrol
wat
dense plover
booty bay
jade basalt
Some people do theorize that his path is getting closer to the Dark Portal
jade basalt
A bit too early for me to form an opinion though
terse patrol
"And live in a hut, rather than in his magical tower."
dense plover
then what?
terse patrol
He goes to Nagrand, where Thrall likely is.
dense plover
thrall is in dalaran
he was literally there for all of legion
why would he go to nagrand
terse patrol
<_>
dense plover
thrall didnt even grow up in outland
uncut vault
thrall is only in dalaran for the beginning of the shaman stuff
terse patrol
What expansion are we in, peach
hollow dock
thrall left for outland in BC.
uncut vault
theyre separate, thrall is on his own journey
hollow dock
that's where he met with Garrosh
dense plover
but he doesnt have a home there
uncut vault
his wolf and presumably his kids are both with aggra
he does have a grandmother there
terse patrol
Nagrand is Aggra's home, and it's a place of peace nowadays.
It's where the Throne of the Elements is.
dense plover
what does saurfang accomplish by going to nagrand?
terse patrol
. . . To bring the dude who was the heart of the New Horde back?
terse patrol
^
uncut vault
trying to center himself
dense plover
i dont see saurfang going to seek out thrall
terse patrol
I suspect we'll get a Thrall/Saurfang cinematic
dense plover
why would saurfang talk about all this new horde with zekhan
then go to outland and get the guy who helped found the horde
and led to garrosh
thats dumb
terse patrol
Saurfang does not want to lead.
dense plover
saurfang wants to die
terse patrol
No?
dense plover
him learning that he is a good leader is an interesting story
terse patrol
Not anymore.
dense plover
him deciding to go get thrall so he doesnt have to lead is a shit story
terse patrol
He clearly wants to save the Horde before dying.
dense plover
thats a shit plot line
terse patrol
a'ight i'm done
dense plover
do you not read what you write? you are saying he is going to go get thrall to lead the horde so he can go die in combat
thats fucking shit
it means all of the character building for saurfang is worthless
and it pulls thrall as warchief out of a fucking hat
"lets just have this character have all this plot and story and character development so we can kill him!"
uncut vault
I think he more means he wants to find thrall to try and put the horde back on the right path, so that when he does meet his warriors end, its with the horde as he sees as honorable
meager warren
I just want Baine and Lor'themar to quit eating her ass
terse patrol
@meager warren that booty thicc tho
uncut vault
"lets just have this character have all this plot and story and character development so we can kill him!"
dense plover
delaryn died in the burning of teldrassil
hollow dock
They either die or just get forgotten
uncut vault
peers at voljin
meager warren
That booty ded tho
hollow dock
^ that too
uncut vault
happened to Xe'ra too, sudden unexpected deaths dont need to be a bad thing
started her buildup in the illidan novel, had her show up in 7.0
dies the first time we meet her for real
jade basalt
Vol'jin was due to an internal change of plans. Xe'ra was planned.
uncut vault
I dont doubt that, Im just saying sudden deaths arent a thing warcraft shies away from
dense plover
its hard to know if they changed it due to fan outcry or not
i definitely liked the "i am my scars" stuff tho
and velen realizing that the light isnt everything
jade basalt
Nah, cinematics are worked on for at least a year. It was planned. And it was the reason why Xe'ra was so on the nose, they knew it would not become real. Plus that was not even matching the Prophecy.
jovial skiff
choosing to remain how he was is fine, but actually just killing a prime naruu like that right in front of its greatest worshipers and getting no punishment? kinda ridiculous
jade basalt
I mean Turalyon did try to 'punish' him
But can't really blame him for defending himself can we ?
dense plover
and then realized he was essentially being mind controlled
terse patrol
@jade basalt I didnt like that Illidan could just grab his sword though
uncut vault
I mean when you're a hulking half demon, some human chump with a sword isnt gonna overpower you
terse patrol
Turalyon's no pushover. He wiped out an orc army solo.
dense plover
he is literally helping to fight sargeras
jade basalt
Illidan is supposed to be crazy powerful, like very crazy powerful. And demon skin is supposed to be tough as well. But I get the feeling.
You know his defeat at the Black Temple when he fought dozens of the strongest heroes at once ? He was literally at 1% strength. Like he was literally wounded and dying before we even showed up, and he still put up that fight and long enough for the demon hunters to finish their mission, and they succeeded in retrieving the Keystone. But it was just too late for him at that point. Imagine if he had been at 100%.
dense plover
he literally is fighting the dark titan for all eternity
he is/was one of the strongest characters in all of warcraft history
jade basalt
Nah, Sargeras is seated, he is not standing, you can see that in the cinematic. His family is scolding him for all eternity.
Aggramar: Dude, you basically killed me.
Sargeras: I know, I know, it was the fel..