Because she knows death more than him
#beta-ptr-spoilers
zealous basalt
And saurfang just keeps talking about honor even if they lose for it
So there is a big difference
Sylvanas wants to win, no matter what if that means that the Horde will live
Saurfang would send them to death if that means honor for everyone
jovial skiff
Zug zug
hollow dock
The difference is the person willing to toss their morals and character out the window to win vs the person who'llaccept the loss but stand with their valued morals.
frozen dust
Valtrois for Warchief
jovial skiff
Sylvanas is a belf tho she never had morals
hollow dock
She was never a belf tho
zealous basalt
She was a high elf
frozen dust
jovial skiff
Ok helf
hollow dock
You keep using that word
jovial skiff
She's a belf in spirit
hollow dock
but it doesn't mean what you think it means
zealous basalt
There is another word for that?
jovial skiff
At least her sisters are cool, even if one of them is irrelevant
frozen dust
She was a belf before it was cool
meager warren
calm plank
I can't escape loss, can I ?
calm plank
u fuckin bitch
meager warren
That's not nice
calm plank
why you have to be like that
sullen dagger
well, sylvannas is a brilliant mastermind
but it's doing a thin favour to the horde
it's bread for today and hunger for tomorrow, since they are burning his possible allies fast af
hollow dock
That meme will never die
hollow dock
is now Desette
calm plank
tbh Xal'atathette is now canon and there's nothing y'all can do about it
hollow dock
except its not canon. Cuz super crown don't exist in WoW
midnight bloom
Did Blizz mention something about reps combining over accounts or something in one of their newer QnA's? I have someone in my guild saying that they're going to merge them together or something?
uncut vault
achievement progress will be merged
and cosmetic rewards from reps no longer require exalted with said reputation
so tabards can be used on anyone once you earn it once
dense plover
but reps themselves are still separate
calm plank
and they said there will be catchup mechanics for champion of azeroth
hollow dock
OK so
confusion and misinformation
@midnight bloom @calm plank
Progress in achievements will be merged but faction specific reps will be removed from transmog is the exact words Ion said. If they extended that to all rep mogs then alright great.
Champions of Azeroth HEART OF AZEROTH progress is account wide. Meaning you dont have to grind them to revered on every character to get the +45 ilvl upgrade on the heart of azeroth. that's it.
hollow dock
đ
frozen dust
Thank you Desette
jovial skiff
Huh, so the moment you get the heart on new characters it already has the ilvl
Or I guess you have to do the little power up thing with magni probably but still
hollow dock
Yea. When 8.1 hits I think is when all of the rep stuff also hits
so after that, when you hit 120 on an alt
you just collect your 45 ilvls on your heart
frozen dust
Sweet
I'm not sure I really follow on the first answer though- what does that mean for, like, the Laughing Skull helms?
zealous basalt
Wat
frozen dust
The bit about faction specific reps being removed from transmog
hollow dock
yea basically.
Like all the alliance/horde stuff. Unless they meant it for all repuations.
calm plank
has anyone here tried the new invasions? (I'd like to know if they are better than the legion ones)
hollow dock
but the examples they were using were horde/alliance stuff
theyre much better than the legion ones
frozen dust
Neato
hollow dock
theyre focused into a small area of the zone
and if you're attacking, you go in complete your WQs and head home for a cookie
if you're defending you solo the invading gunship and then head home for a cookie
hollow dock
MUCH less traveling time
midnight bloom
@bronze lily When are those Heart of Azeroth changes happening?
hollow dock
As I said
uncut vault
Any repâs cosmetic stuff is no longer bound by rep once you earn it, I can use the discount ironfoe from shattrath rep on any character on the PTR
frozen dust
Oh, that's even better
hollow dock
Makes having a human even more valuable
frozen dust
Time to go re-buy those helms on the one character that's exalted with Laughing Skulls rofl
tulip sun
I really like Baine being involved
jovial skiff
Baine?
jovial skiff
He's a big guy
calm plank
harder
misty blaze
tulip sun
I prefer the modern model
calm plank
me too
tranquil steeple
wtb Velf-style beards for Belf
calm plank
well those are pretty much the same
zealous basalt
He looks so damn nice
ionic terrace
Gonna check on ptr if realms are up
zealous basalt
No homo
tulip sun
HE looks AMAZING.
ionic terrace
Hopefully they fixed SMC
zealous basalt
The armor doesnt look like a battle armor
ionic terrace
interesting
zealous basalt
How so?
zealous basalt
It has 3 rings still
sudden oak
Lor'themar looks amazing
ionic terrace
yeah idk
zealous basalt
Doesnt look like a wow model tbh
ionic terrace
he still has his old model in smv
zealous basalt
Seems
ionic terrace
zealous basalt
Extra detailes
ionic terrace
SMC*
tulip sun
It is just TOO good.
sudden oak
^
zealous basalt
Wtb that armor for heritage elf
sudden oak
if not for the fact that it is 1 am in here I would be screaming like a school girl tbh
ionic terrace
smc is fixed yay
uncut vault
I think it needs a belt
also, hype for plague doctor set
finally
kul tiran active racial seems to be a knockback
haymaker, like Muradin's ult in HotS
so, good thing and bad thing
dark rangers got VO, finally
tulip sun
Yup
uncut vault
but its bugged, and the women have male lines
tulip sun
RIP
uncut vault
but they are different from the nelf ones, so thats good
uncut vault
Saurfang quest is up
hollow dock
Like he looks as if he is supposed to be of royal blood.
Which I just...I don't know.
It feels out of character for him.
uncut vault
zandalari racial seems to be similar to the maghar one
activate it, gives you a random loa blessing
that or each class has one, and the loa ward is their active
tulip sun
I mean, he is a warrior and a Regent Lord. I think the armor fits him.
hollow dock
Except it's not very warrior-like and him looking as if he's a prince kinda goes against what him keeping the role of Regent lord Stands for.
tulip sun
Eh, your opinion.
hollow dock
He has, since BC and Kael'thas going insane, never wanted Quel'thalas to see another ruling bloodline. He doesn't even want the title but doesn't believe anyone else would do better. So he decides to dress up like he's a prince?
dense plover
Lorthemar looking bad ass
hollow dock
that's perfectly OK?
tulip sun
A leader is a leader Des. Because he has some good armor doesn't make him look or seem like a prince.
tulip sun
I kinda like it
dense plover
Idk if they were kicked
dense plover
^
tulip sun
That makes sense
tulip sun
Is that fake
ionic terrace
no
ionic terrace
Good idea
uncut vault
man Im scared to do this sarufang stuff
it has all the named dark rangers from undercity, I sincerely hope only Lyana is sent
zinc sandal
Am I seeing icons for Nelf cloth armor? o_o
uncut vault
Yes, nelf and forsaken
tulip sun
What
ALL of the names one are in that scenario?
Most only have one model in the database
So that's good
uncut vault
not in the scenario
tulip sun
Keep me updated @uncut vault
uncut vault
just in the main room for the meeting
the mission isnt to forcibly capture or kill saurfang
its to rescue him
this is the dialogue you get when you do the pro-sylvanas dialogue
hollow dock
I mean.
jovial skiff
nods respectfully at you
hollow dock
Which is pretty vague on how that's accomplished
midnight bloom
What do you guys think of those Kul'Tiras racials? I'm a bit worried none of them will be stat boost for PvE
hollow dock
Is that why the dark ranger says he's been ordered to death?
jovial skiff
Remember that blood mage blood elf? lol he dead hahaha
Blood DKs better get something from it
tulip sun
She only says that after he refuses to return
Which I assume is the secret plan B if he refuses to return to the Horde.
uncut vault
thats my assumption too, Sylvanas knows hes a valuable person to the orcs, will try to rescue him calmly if she can, and capture/kill him if he poses a threat to the Horde
dense plover
Oh no
tulip sun
Honestly
dense plover
Sylvanas plans to bring him back dead
dense plover
Use it to make the horde angry
dense plover
She is lying
Werenât there datamined lines about the dark ranger trying to kill him?
tulip sun
That is what we are discussing. This is after she tries to have him return peacefully and such.
He refuses, so we are saying that her orders were to Kill/Capture forcefully if he didn't willingly return
unique crag
The most prominent Dark Rangers are Velonara and Anya, I'd love to see them getting more development
by development, i dont mean die 
hollow dock
I don't see the appeal of them.
uncut vault
some sassy, slightly racist rogues
hollow dock
theyre dead elves.
uncut vault
SI:7 is also hunting saurfang
hollow dock
there's nothing really deep to explore.
uncut vault
at least, Lyana thinks so
unique crag
Wait I'm confused, you go with Lyana from the start or she goes separately?
uncut vault
seems like they added new stuff to it
datamined things from first build gave me the impression it was a scenario in stormwind
hollow dock
We knew from the dialogue it wasn't in stormwind
uncut vault
this is all across the lands of Stormwind, leads into redridge, never go into stormwind at all
hollow dock
0=
uncut vault
there was a scenario map datamined for it
hollow dock
like there is words directly stating it was a barn they find him at
uncut vault
shaw is looking for saurfang too
I feel like this is a reference
this is what the player looks like
tulip sun
New voice overs
terse patrol
@uncut vault Or Shaw is making sure he's not caught.
dense plover
Zekhan voice over
tulip sun
Excitttinggg
dense plover
Yes
terse patrol
@uncut vault why are they encrypting builds
uncut vault
probably to hide stuff
terse patrol
prolly wont stop data miners
terse patrol
@uncut vault p sure thats a alliance quest
dense plover
^
uncut vault
yeah the potion actually changes your faction
dense plover
i think thats an alliance leveling quest
terse patrol
weird
uncut vault
I just got an alliance flight path
dense plover
so thats 100% not intended
terse patrol
yeah, report it
uncut vault
yeah Im putting it in the report at the end of the quest
should only make the two guards and the cook lady interactable
dense plover
gallywix talks to his money golem using baby talk
i fucking love everything about this VO
dense plover
see?
sylvanas planned to kill saurfang
she planned to use his death to frame the alliance
she probably helped him break out in the first place
some of those poke lines give some info about delaryn's feelings
seems like she blames herself for the death of those in the tree
herself and tyrande
uncut vault
I like what theyre doing in this
there are rares and treasure chests along the way of this questline
added to the open world
dense plover
FYI, apparently rexxar VO is spoiler af
tulip sun
Huh
i LISTENED to the Saurfang one
Didn't hear anything about her only plan was to kill Saurfang
dense plover
im not saying it was her only plan
but i think it was part of it
the dark ranger came to fight him
dense plover
yeah
tulip sun
I like Delaryn's voice
dense plover
hmmmmm
tulip sun
Does Saurfang mention Ogres at the end?
dense plover
nvm about rexxar spoilers
dense plover
it was known in the first 8.1 build
tulip sun
I never saw anything about Rexxar meeting up with Saurfang
Anyway
Saurfang defiantly asks. "What kind of Ogres might those be?"
dense plover
it doesnt even make sense as ogres
there arent different types of ogres
this is interesting
i wonder why there are feral worgens
terse patrol
Likely that Gilnean island.
dense plover
oh
yeah
there are new invasions
taunka too
apparently pronounced t-awhn-kuh
i thought it was town-kuh
uncut vault
Seems Saurfang is fleeing because he thinks the dark rangers are assassins
tulip sun
TAUNKAAAAAA
terse patrol
What race are the assassins who attack, anyways?
uncut vault
Undead
terse patrol
Hm.
uncut vault
also, RIP, turns out its the player being decieved
dense plover
probably sylvanas
uncut vault
still not assassins though
dense plover
in order to purposefully set this up
terse patrol
The files implied the Alliance player.
uncut vault
yikes, no choice to not stand with saurfang
dense plover
i guess she isnt filled with anger now
bunch of vo not on wowhead
oh shit
i think calia is in 8.1
uncut vault
oh good, Lyana's voice actress is the same as the generic dark ranger
only took a decade, but so worth it
dense plover
https://youtu.be/i4B9GoXGwbs the fuck is this?
gnomeregan pet battle dungeon?
huh
separate vo for dark rangers based on origin race
uncut vault
yeah theyre great, male and female, nelf and helf
dense plover
blood elf
not half elf
or high elf
or whatever
its tagged for blood elf in the datafiles
uncut vault
yeah but theyre dead helfs in the end
dense plover
i guess thats fair
uncut vault
tagged as blood elf because of the model ID
terse patrol
good she dies*
uncut vault
Nah, I dont have a hate boner for forsaken story, so its a shame
dense plover
All of the Assault WQs offer a reward and some gold, probably because they are available while leveling and do not give the reward, just xp and the gold
sudden oak
@uncut vault can you link brynjas voice? I dont seem to find it
uncut vault
couldnt find it in the files, did the darkshore quests again
dense plover
is there a way to disable lua errors?
dapper talon
sudden oak
I hope Signe Kyra and the other Val'kyr left get voices too
dense plover
zealous basalt
hax
sudden oak
I really hope they add again the shatter recipe for enchanting so you can make gloom dust from umbra shards and umbra shards from veiled crystals
it was so good in legion
and I really need it
doing WQ for blues is a pain
dense plover
theres a bunch load of scattered texts in dazar alor and the lower part of the city
seems to be related to a tales of the loa achievement or something like that
uncut vault
wowhead just put up a post
zealous basalt
does it include the armor
uncut vault
Im happy theyre continuing Jaina's friendliness with alliance elves
dense plover
yeah those are their racials
zealous basalt
Hmm
tulip sun
Porter
zealous basalt
And do you think zandalar will be able to chose their loas?
tulip sun
Whatcha mean
uncut vault
Jaina and Umbric have friendly banter for the war campaign
frozen dust
"However, this set is not in-game yet, merely displaying a naked elf when searched on the appearances tab."
No that's the set
uncut vault
blasted lands portal
zealous basalt
Has someone seen
zealous basalt
the 4 ringed trait?
uncut vault
2
zealous basalt
4 rigned azerite gear*
uncut vault
talanji rep and rare drop
dense plover
not in yet
but probably will be
likely why all azerite gear is broken
Hivemind is actually in game
dense plover
what space?
those blank spaces are normally used by macros
which dont work on ptr because they are addon macros
oh
you mean the blank void beneath my bar
where azerite should be
nah
that system is just broken this week
mystic heart
@dense plover so now war campaign isn't available?
zealous basalt
Ah
uncut vault
new war campaign stuff seems to require exalted
Alliance one is still bugged
cant do Kings' Rest
dense plover
This sewer exit is new right?
mystic heart
yea
uncut vault
queue up kkthx
mystic heart
@dense plover i'm upload this now ;D
mystic heart
@dense plover SO LONG STORY đ
tulip sun
@uncut vault Is darkshore testable??
uncut vault
Yeah, blood elf requires exalted as far as I can tell
horde war campaign, I need to see
alliance is bugged still
mystic heart
fuck
i don't have exalted with horde
dense plover
XD
Spam click on Zekhan - "De other trolls say I become something called a 'MeMe', can anybody tell me what dat means?"
also "I Bringing the Lightning AND the thunder"
zealous basalt
AHAHAHA
uncut vault
except she says she wants him to put his weapons down and come without a fight
dense plover
is this a unique hairstyle?
uncut vault
for no reason
dense plover
lyana lied to us
and is willing to kill us
what other reason is there
zekhan asked us for help
so we help
we are heroes
uncut vault
"ive been 100% fine with leaving saurfang behind and helping sylvanas but this dark ranger who I was happy to help got a bit mean so lets murder her and help a traitor"
would be fine if it were a choice
tropic trail
sounds like a big oof is going on here
uncut vault
just do the punch thing that happens at the end of the questline already to the player if they choose to help Lyana, wake up with lyana dead and saurfang gone
dense plover
make a forum post
uncut vault
I prefer being productive and reporting it in game
uncut vault
forum posts dont matter
blizzard hasnt looked at the story forums in years
they read in game reports on the quests from ptr/beta lot more than they read forum posts
tulip sun
I honestly would be helping Lyana if I had a choice
mystic heart
@uncut vault but we going to sylvanas and finished quest
and then?
is it all?
or continue will soon
uncut vault
thats all
mystic heart
ahh
uncut vault
probably wont be continued until 8.2 at earliest
mystic heart
kk thanks :0
tulip sun
In character, it makes sense to view Saurfang as a traitor don't ya think?
dense plover
i dont think it will be that long
rexxar has VO that seems to imply he is talking to saurfang
zealous basalt
Wait so now the horde pc has a faked alliegance to Sylv or what
uncut vault
yes, horde PC now suddenly is conspiring against the warchief
tulip sun
But still help her raise fallen soldiers and such? Really?
zealous basalt
They are bullshitting the horde pc so bad
night swift
Is the horde story that big of a clusterfuck rn?
unique crag
Blizz is trying to piss off every single Horde player
unique crag
Intention of Darkshore questline and Saurfang extraction is contradictory to each other
zealous basalt
That's what I don't understand
What are they trying to do?
Because what I understand of this is
That they somehow
Like Saurfang more than Sylvanas
uncut vault
well, one of em has a $350 statue, one's currently a traitor
zealous basalt
Even if they did the warcampaign stuff without like...acting against her?
uncut vault
probably just a case of two separate writers who didnt communicate i nthe slightest
zealous basalt
This seems like
uncut vault
same with the war campaign writers not communicating with the horde leveling writers
zealous basalt
The Mag'har scenario against the Dark Iron scenario
It's like they are separated stories on their own
Like...if they make something like a coup in Saurfang's story
But as a horde character we keep...aiding Sylvanas
If you ask me Port
If my character was a sylvanas loyalist
Just like we are supposed to be
He would be like
"?"
jovial skiff
Are we supposed to be a sylvanas loyalist or a Horde loyalist? There is a small difference
you dont have to like or agree with your leader, but orders are orders.
And afaik there was never a WoW Geneva convention
but there certainly should be
uncut vault
neither of those are the PC during the saurfang quest
seeing as hes not in the Horde and helping humans
dense plover
i like it
zinc sandal
I am in love
uncut vault
warfront being up is intended! queue queue queue!
jovial skiff
I did too lol
dense plover
they say its a bow
jovial skiff
its sick as hell either way
uncut vault
man, if the skull was just a bit smaller, that would be a perfect dark ranger bow update
I may just use it
jovial skiff
looks more like a bow
uncut vault
ho boy im ready for that
jovial skiff
Is that a melta gun from 40k?
dense plover
is in world new darkshore accesible?
dense plover
you dont say
zealous basalt
i hope that thing surrounds the starff
dense plover
i think it surrounds the top
uncut vault
has a fire, arcane, and yellowy variant
dense plover
like i think it circles the top
uncut vault
like old enchants, probably
dense plover
except fancier
zealous basalt
And a holy
tulip sun
@uncut vault Keep me updated on the commander
tulip sun
@uncut vault Still waiting for people to queue?
zealous basalt
HAH
uncut vault
can copy your character a bunch and then hope you get a faction xfer
So, did blizz forget that Nomi is a child?
meager warren
wat
uncut vault
he was a cub in MoP, and it's been at most four years since then
unique crag
I mean he was fully grown up in Legion?
zealous basalt
Ye
uncut vault
He wasnt
zealous basalt
Well
uncut vault
he was a small model
uncut vault
Young teen to fully grown voice doesnt happen in a year
unique crag
I didn't notice that, looked similar to average pandaren
dense plover
He did not use a small model in legion
He used the pandaren player model
Prior to that he used the child model, but we have no context for how long pandaren take to grow up
It might be faster than other races
uncut vault
he used a small normal pandaren model
terse patrol
So
Apparently Mekkatorque is getting an updated model
But its not yet viewable in the model viewer
The file is there though
@uncut vault @dense plover
uncut vault
Nice
tropic trail
I don't think anyone saw this yet on the PTR but Male Night Elves received new customizations. https://twitter.com/Night_ED/status/1049877019562004480
zealous basalt
"Red like my anger."
serene axle
can more peeps come and que for new warfront ? 
serene axle
Dark ranger, new allied race confirmed
serene axle
for alliance OMEGALUL
zealous basalt
big af spoiler
Dark Rangers say it was a prank bro and go back alliance
@uncut vault
serene axle
sure, just race change to dark rangers
zealous basalt
u mad salty cuz alliance keeps it lololol
zinc sandal
^
mystic heart
Twitter
serene axle
Jebaited
limber mural
oh my, the nomi voiceover
I was expecting a jab at burning everything, and I'm happy that came
serene axle
he is kinda too late for campfire
uncut vault
We know Malfurion and Nathanos, but we canât be sure of others until we can get in
serene axle
still no que ?
calm plank
Zekhan: "the other trolls say I become something called a mimi, can anybody tell me what that means?"
slate sleet
how can you tell it's a bug?
dense plover
Because itâs in the place the night warrior stuff is supposed to be
And dark rangers are horde
hollow dock
Peach
The Shado Pan are neutral
right?
@dense plover @uncut vault Cuz the alliance expedition have Shado Pan allies in the mogu camps on Zandalar. Do the horde have something similar?
dense plover
Idk
terse patrol
The Zandalari have mogu i think.
Makes sense tho
Shado-pan arenât fans of mogu.
hollow dock
Nor are they a fan of the Zandalari
but to go as far as allying with the alliance? đ¤
dense plover
Zandalari do not have mogu. Mogu sided with Zul, not Rastakhan
hollow dock
Which is why I am so confused as to why I had a world quest to talk with our shado pan allies
on the mogu.
and the ending text block said this helps us against the horde.
sly girder
i find the lack of arms warrior changes and new traits disturbing
the disturbance in the force can be felt throughout the galaxy
heavy cairn
from what I can tell alliance seems to think mogu = horde, except in a few cases where apparently they don't
dense plover
Itâs not done yet
heavy cairn
just like horde thinks ashvane = alliance, except in a few cases where apparently they don't
dense plover
Donât judge the amount of changes when this is literally the 2nd build with new azerite traits
They plan to add an entire new suite of traits
We arenât even close to feature complete
sly girder
it needs changes. like every other class and spec it was better in legion
sly girder
maybe rogue is the only class that doesnt need changes? who knows
dense plover
Fucking azerite armor doesnât even work in this build
sly girder
yeah i know they will continue to add things in the ptr
dense plover
So talking about how satisfied you are with changes is a waste of time
sly girder
just talking about now
hollow dock
It really doesn't. Arms does what it does pretty well. It got its tuning as did Fury and both are in a good spot.
dense plover
Since everything is like 10% done
sly girder
if u are satisfied with the current downgrade from legion its ur problem des
jovial skiff
Fury is ok, but arms is better by quite a lot it seems
hollow dock
It isn't
Fury actually ends up beating Arms in raids
and there is no downgrade. Other than its issue of rage generation, Arms is perfectly fine and is in a good spot.
sly girder
its not the rage generation
in legion all skills cost less rage
mortal was 20 rage rend was 10 rage execute was 30 i think
hollow dock
Because of a talent.
sly girder
now its 30 30 40 rage
hollow dock
In which if we have more rage spenders
but not increased rage generation
yes its a rage generationissue
sly girder
nah, with the talent it was even lower than 20 rage on the mortal
i really dont mind some kills like charge being on global cd
hollow dock
regardless. Arms would flow far better if it just had a single generator for rage.
sly girder
but defensives shouldnt be on gcd
ionic terrace
Was there something wrong with Darkshore Warfront?
hollow dock
no jus tno one is queing for it
ionic terrace
Oh ok
There's a few around now, think they are trying
You can make a feast with Sanguicell
dense plover
All defensive for everyone are on GCD. Itâs about having knowledge of encounters. What should hange is defensive shouldnât be on the GCD in PvP
ionic terrace
Not sure I want to lmao
ruby star
Currently trying to queue đ , however not popping
ruby star
No idea, haven't checked the world one
dense plover
Would you mind?
ionic terrace
I can
dense plover
Thanks
ruby star
sure I can go check
ionic terrace
What is with all the item tooltips 
ionic terrace
No, for everything
dense plover
The fetch time for tooltips and merchants is very very slow
ionic terrace
Mm
hollow dock
Also @sly girder The only warrior defensive added to the GCD in bfa was rallying cry.
everything else was unchanged for defensives
ionic terrace
Oh, Vol'dun invasion
sly girder
oh wow
hollow dock
whaaaaaaaaaaa
my clearly evil warchief ordered the execution of someone who threatens her power?*
*supposedly
zealous basalt
And just be like "owo"
hollow dock
and are not evil assholes?
zealous basalt
It's mostly because they didn't want to disobey
heavy cairn
8.1's story for horde is bad
you have to both obey and disobey
no choice in either
zealous basalt
It is writting inconsistency again
sullen dagger
Yep
But the plot armor is thiccer than nicki minaj buttocks
And they cried about the jaina frosting the green stuff on the launchday
Go figures
heavy cairn
I'm kind of tired of faction storylines, considering they are always a "test" of plot armor and create an artificial scenario for a leader to die every once and a while
well, a horde leader
zealous basalt
The fact that they force us to just
heavy cairn
vol'jin dies again?
sullen dagger
Trash
zealous basalt
Betray the Warchief
sullen dagger
I mean thrall
hollow dock
How does he die a second time?
heavy cairn
that's what I'm asking you des
sullen dagger
He is
hollow dock
and Rasta is another leader whom has died
sullen dagger
But he don't know that yet
heavy cairn
you said rasta and vol'jin died, and I assume you mean in 8.1. before then, plenty have died
hollow dock
What other leaders do the horde keep losing as you say?
sullen dagger
Jaina id on her ass full gist of the North Star
sullen dagger
^
heavy cairn
well, not at the time of death, right?
thrall might as well not exist, either
but I won't count him
hollow dock
Still a leader.
heavy cairn
a leader of some alliance, not the whole human race
hollow dock
at the time, Bolvar was leading the 7th Legion. We lost Varian. We lost a velen.
not paladins
sullen dagger
He aint a pushover
heavy cairn
you're saying all this but he wasn't a leader of a race at the time of death
alternate velen wasn't alliance, either
hollow dock
Neither was Vol'jin. he was leader of the horde.
heavy cairn
vol'jin was leader of darkspear trolls
at time of death, he was also leader of the horde
hollow dock
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
sullen dagger
And how many horde leaders died not being evil/rogue?
heavy cairn
cairne, rastakhan, vol'jin
zealous basalt
It's the same numbers
heavy cairn
the scenarios that lead to their death still seem artificial
sullen dagger
And we lost mekatroque now
heavy cairn
"evil and rogue" or not
hollow dock
Not Carine
that wasn't artifical.
neither is rasta's as its in an alliance invasion.
heavy cairn
[des] his plot armor failed, that feels pretty artificial
hollow dock
How was his plot armor suddenly gone?
He never had any plot armor int he first place O.o
sullen dagger
That was an Easter egg
zealous basalt
That's the name of the spell
sullen dagger
Of his armor
hollow dock
That's gallywix
sullen dagger
P.l.o.t armor
hollow dock
Gallywix has the plot armor
heavy cairn
I wasn't talking about meka
hollow dock
In which we lost Magni, Varian, Fandral,
heavy cairn
[omake] still alive, we're discussing deaths
jade basalt
Red Shirt Guy finally decided to make an article about the Darkshore writing http://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/the-8-1-darkshore-quests-are-really-bad
hollow dock
He might as well have. Since you wanted to tag thrall into it.
Fandral was the stand in for Malfurion.
So yes, leader of the night elves.
heavy cairn
that's fair then
he would've been leader still if not for turning evil, unlike bolvar who was rightfully replaced
hollow dock
Oh good gonna read that.
heavy cairn
why does that site look so bad lol
hollow dock
It's blizzplanet. It's always looked like that.
heavy cairn
hollow dock
```The new âArmy of the Black Moonâ (which doesnât appear in the Alliance version) is meant to be scary and threatening. You get a debuff that says youâre being âhuntedâ and Sira keeps taunting you from the shadows. But when you actually fight the armyâs troops, commanders, and ultimate Sira herself, they get taken down without much effort. Every goal in your mission is a complete success.````
THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT I POINTED OUT
@tulip sun You should read this
dense plover
I kind of have been saying this all path
Patch
All of the enemy npcs seem undertuned currently
hollow dock
You did not say that to me when I first pointed this out
neither you nor Kham said those words
dense plover
We have to fight lyana and all of her dark rangers, and as a tank, I never even had to try
I just put it together late yesterday
I thought it was kind of a one off in darkshore
But during the Saurfang questline, I noticed ALL of the enemies are way too easy
I think they just havenât done any tuning for any of the scenarios yet
But Iâve been giving feedback saying that they are too easy with every quest turn in, just to be safe
hollow dock
That's not the point we were making...
at all.
Please, re-read the paragraph.
Ignore the game mechanics for just a few minutes.
soak in what Ian, and me, are pointing out
dense plover
âThey get taken down without much effortâ
hollow dock
Those two issues are the least of the questlineâs problems. As I said previously, theyâre the only ones that could easily be fixed at this point and I hope they are. Now we have to go into the meat of whatâs wrong with the Darkshore quests. Both versions, from the quest text and dialogue, are clearly trying to show their factions as powerful but beset upon by equally powerful enemies to get players excited and ready for the Warfront. This doesnât happen at all. Horde side, weâre told this is a major defeat that we need to avenge with the tragic the loss of a valâkyr as the rallying point for the warfront, but it doesnât feel like a defeat at all. It seems like an overwhelming victory.
Read
the full
thing
The night elf forces fall before you, all of the targeted night elf corpses are raised into undeath without issue and they all immediately pledge their loyalty to the Horde. Then you and Nathanos face this super dangerous âNight Warriorâ Tyrande has become, and you appear to effortlessly beat her. Compared to all that, the one valâkyr dying doesnât have nearly the impact the dialogue thinks it does. There is an unimplemented cinematic which might help with this. Itâs part of the reason I originally wanted to writer this after 8.1 was out, but if this article is going to provide any potential feedback its better to focus on what we have available to us now on the PTR.
dense plover
Yeah
hollow dock
They fall over
like sticks
cuz gear
that has noting to do with their damage or health, they're built up to be super dangerous but are just normal NPcs
dense plover
Maybe they could fix this by having you see all the horde troops dying? And maybe having some of the night elves escape instead of dying?
hollow dock
that's what we are pointing out.
dense plover
Part of it is lack of communication
Alliance wipes out a lot of horde troops, but horde player doesnât see this - this could be in the cinematic
heavy cairn
we're killing and raising all these night elves, yet night elves are going around sparing everyone
hollow dock
^^^^^^^^^^^^
dense plover
Along with that, making it so that the night elves being killed to be raised, maybe some should get away
zealous basalt
2 much side Inconsistency
hollow dock
Look at the bottom of the article
dense plover
They donât kill the undead
hollow dock
I watched Tyrande SPARE FORSAKEN
dense plover
But during tyrandes ascension, many horde troops are killed
hollow dock
NOT kill them
zealous basalt
Or straight dead
dense plover
Maybe a single voice line to one of her wardens or just kill them
zealous basalt
Are the devs having an internal fight?
hollow dock
She outright says
dense plover
Killing them is really easy to add
hollow dock
There will be no more mercy
dense plover
Maybe they are supposed to die and itâs bugged
hollow dock
Capture is still mercy. She should be killing every single undead who even looks at her.
its not
dense plover
I believe the undead commander there has a voice line for dying
hollow dock
those are stasis effects
heavy cairn
[peach] yea, he probably is a warfront commander
heavy cairn
the?
each had three commanders for arathi