Why do you think this is PTR-Spoilers and not normal spoilers
#beta-ptr-spoilers
zealous basalt
midnight bloom
It shouldn't matter that it's the start of the story. Literally in minutes shes for the Alliance and for the Night Elves and instantly when shes resurrected she goes into seething hatred. Even that famous Undead who was a Scarlet Crusade personalee had to go through stages of grief and acceptance before she realized what was happening.
zealous basalt
....facepalms
midnight bloom
Even the undead we resurrect on the Horde side during BfA go through some form of realization and acceptance; or had a different mindset before being resurrected
zealous basalt
Do you read
midnight bloom
I did
zealous basalt
What she said? the "there is no time to grief about what happened right now"
do you
understand what does it mean?
midnight bloom
DO YOU understand that that's horrible writing?
That's a slap in the face and a rush job.
zealous basalt
Do you understand you are saying that on something that isn't finished yet?
midnight bloom
It's in the PTR's, if it's in the PTR's it's pretty much done and they're more concerned with glitches or other issues.
tulip sun
No, it is just the very first page of a damn book
zealous basalt
...
Gods
You act the same like the other "loremasters", and with isn't finished i mean
THE CAMPAIGN ISN'T DONE YET
THERE ARE A LOT MORE TO READ
Do not make absolute conclusions on a scratch of the campaign
midnight bloom
I understand that, what I'm getting at is that the way they went about it was poorly excuted and poorly written.
zealous basalt
poorly written
when there are more left to say
Sira will explain it later
I am sure of it
Not right now
that
tulip sun
She quite literally says that
zealous basalt
if she survives
tulip sun
And she is 99.99% gonna be a warfront commander
midnight bloom
I still think it was to fast of a switch.
zealous basalt
It was a fast of switch, because she was already tired of maiev's bullcrap
tulip sun
Especially when first raised
midnight bloom
Then that should have been refreshed leading up to this
zealous basalt
...
That is the difference
Between someone that knows all the lore and a new one
And like you said
"then that should have been refreshed leading up to this"
who is saying that they won't say that in her explanation?
tulip sun
Not their fault you don't know all the lore then complain about something you don't know.
Look before you complain
There are sources.of this info
zealous basalt
Not only that Kham
Nero, what you said it is probably that they would add later on
And that is a safe
Sira didn't switch on Alliance just because
tulip sun
Also the fact she has a uniquely tinted model hints to her longevity for at least a patch or 2
We will learn more
midnight bloom
What I'm getting at is that as it stands evne if she says she'll explain later, I know Sira had issues with Mirav but leading up to that battle it would have been better if those issues with her and her heads was seen as you were spying and taking out Night Elves
tulip sun
We don't see into characters heads in an mmo...
midnight bloom
And because there wasn't anytihng leading up to that, recently to justify the change, her instant 180 and going "lol I'll explain later, FOR THE FORSAKEN xD" is absolute bullshit.
zealous basalt
For you
tulip sun
And you are ignoring everything we are saying
midnight bloom
What I'm getting at is that it was poorly executed
zealous basalt
Adn what I am saying is
that you can't pull that card right now because it is incomplete
Now if you come to me like
When the next expac is here
And they didn't explain
now yes
that is poor executed
midnight bloom
Same can be said for this; we know Sira was upset during Legion but there should have been a refresher, especially with the Horde Starting Quest for Darkshore. Maybe we spy on her having her issues with Maive and the Night Elf leadership as you're taking out Night Elves to turn them.
zealous basalt
Just like the prepatch
Poorly executed in game
But perfect writting on the book
...They are wardens
They aren't going to bicker like elementary school girls
midnight bloom
Instead her dialogue prior to dying is extremely positive towards the Alliance and Night Elves, shes resurrected and instantly turns side and instead of it sounding like its coming from her it's basically the writings going "Yikes, we dont know what we're doing so we'll explain later ahaha!"
midnight bloom
I didn't say bicker but it would make more sense if she shared some grievances before it.
zealous basalt
Okay Mr. I-do-a-better-job, think what you want to think
Like honestly, it's not like the questline ends with the patch's end
sudden oak
when you end the questline with sira she says that everyone has their reasons to accept the gift of the val'kyr but now it isnt the time to discuss them
zealous basalt
that's what we are telling him
sudden oak
if that isnt a "we will add it later" I dont know what it is
zealous basalt
But he is keep on "bad writting" meme
ancient lodge
He called it a meme, so he wins
midnight bloom
Ahahaha
sudden oak
she got to deal with maievs bs 3 times and then the living representation of her goddess didnt arrive to save her
sudden oak
tha main point of sira and delaryn is that they hate them more than they hate the horde
Delaryn is in pure despair
zealous basalt
And Sira is in pure anger
sudden oak
and sira is bitter and hateful
midnight bloom
There needs to be some form of explanation though for the drastic change, something before these events happened. Be it Sira and Delaryns issues with their leaders or something to establish Forsaken Resurrection being able to cause dark emotions become the forefront of when they're resurrected to make those persona changes.
Leading up to this, as Horde, we resurrect a slew of people that don't have these same drastic changes or Forsaken Magic to bring out these negative thoughts and processes.
It's like the Writing Team forgot to add, somewhere, something to better and more smoothly execute these new Forsaken Heroes.
sudden oak
Amalia is in trauma and then she wants you to kill people because of personal grudge
zealous basalt
Im surprised it wasn't Shelly tbh
midnight bloom
Right Verial, but it took awhile for that change, all I'm saying is I wish there was something, somewhere to better justify these drastic persona changes.
And instead all we get are these drastic changes and a slap in the face by the writers, through Sira saying "we'll right this better at a later date and hope it all makes sense as to why we did these drastic changes"
tulip sun
It will likely be after her Maiev confrontation or the warfront
zealous basalt
or a later fight with her in the questlines
tulip sun
We know she fights Maiev and the horde player but (assumeably) escapes to become a commander
zealous basalt
Watch it being a cinematic where they remember all
tulip sun
She has dialogue with Maiev that is full blown warfront talk
manic horizon
So her literally saying "Now's not the time to discuss this" isn't good enough? Does everyone in your life fully explain and detail their every thought and motivation each and every time you talk to them?
zealous basalt
I have a question
in ptr can we queue for Arathi?
Still queue*
Or it won't be a thing in 8.1?
midnight bloom
@manic horizon Usually when I read or watch some form of media with a drastic change of character, I expect some form of barrier or explanation, albeit how flimsy it is to justify such a drastic change in character. Having the player, hopefully remember other conformations from other media sources, such as books or years old Legion content is in poor form. Having players like you say "lets see where it goes, no matter how shite it is now" is bad, and encourages bad writing. Even in real life, someone having drastic changes in their persona has some form of evidence or issues at home, in office, with friends or some sort of reactionary event to suggest what is happening.
Here, we have none of that and instead we're giving "To Be Continue" with the reasons as to why they're such a change of character. I rather having things be resolved or explained in the now instead of being explained at a later date, especially from the people like Blizzard who don't usually fufill those explanations at all or very poorly.
sudden oak
when you are fighting Sira she is saying stuff like "she will come and end you" and when she dies she says "she didnt come" she is obviously waiting for Tyrande to come and she failed her
let her die
the natural course of action when you feel betrayed and let you die is killing them back
and you have the chance to do it
manic horizon
Because let's pause in the middle of the giant battle to give you, the player, some backstory. That's the perfect time to stop and have a conversation.
midnight bloom
Still though, I would like some form of... something to encourage that sort of response from her dying. With how it all transpired it feels like its some new form of Forsaken Resurrection Magic manipulating their personas and bringing out their worse traits. Which is fine but there should be something, prior to this to better cushion such a change in the story
midnight bloom
Through my entire rant @manic horizon I have never stated I wanted something during the fighting, even @tulip sun and @zealous basalt even if they disagree with my opinions can agree that what I wanted was something before the fighting happened
zealous basalt
Because we don't know if they have time to explain before a fight
midnight bloom
@zealous basalt They could have, especially when we personally were resurrecting new people in Stormsong to find out how to use their water magic. They could have very easily showed us that Slyvanas has been cooking up some new form of resurrection to better control and manipulate the resurrected.
manic horizon
In the questline to recruit the Tidesage, Voss warns him that after being raised as Forsaken, his mind may be drastically altered. In the revamped Cataclysm starting zone, we see newly raised Forsaken, Voss included, lose their minds, or fly into a rage or a deep depression.
midnight bloom
And that should have been at the forefront even more for this expansion.
A small refresher as it were during the Darkshore event, leading up to this.
My reply might be slow to come Zaca if you do respond, I need to defend a bunker in AV
manic horizon
Considering the campaign to recruit the Tidesage comes before Sira being raised, that's something that comes up before Sira coming back angry and vengeful. In other words, altered from her living mindset.
midnight bloom
But the actually recruited Tidesage is a poor example to explain away Sira and her friends complete 180, in fact none of the undead you resurrect have such a change in them like with Sira and that's in poor form on Blizzards part.
manic horizon
If your dying thought is that the leaders you looked up to and trusted just left you to die, then after the traumatic experience of dying, and the equally traumatic experience of being raised from the dead, it stands to reason that you could very easily be angry at the same people you feel betrayed you. That's not to say there won't be feelings of regret or processing of those emotions and actions later, but in the midst of battle, they're acting on those feelings of betrayal.
sudden oak
also zelling and amalia display a trait being after being resurrected
zelling becomes obssesed with his family even almost hurting them
and he still is when you talk to him
amalia is in panic to the point she almost goes crazy
Sira goes mad with hatred and vengeance
and Delaryn is in absolute despair
dense plover
have you ever played forsaken?
at the beginning of a forsaken's unlife, they arent quite right
over time, they either change, or dont, but it takes time for them to find themselves
initially, assuming they arent mindless, they are often different
manic horizon
That's an understatement.
limber mural
but seriously, both the alliance and horde
why are we sending insane bois to islands
like, 40% of them are totally unhinged
dense plover
because theyre good at their job
factions dont care how you get azerite, they just want you to win
jovial skiff
No, they're sailors. Probably half of em are privateers too
It's scurvy for sure
Or maybe some kind of madness induced by an ancient powerful creature of corruption that sleeps beneath the seas
limber mural
or the tauren
the tauren are the only horde team I feel kinda bad about murdering tbh
And once again Blizzard
Where are the pandas
tulip sun
Ya, the tauren is Sunwalker and spiritwalker
Really e.e
Defiantly not privateers
They are just skilled horde soldiers who are sent to get azerite
jovial skiff
I'd argue that our own characters are privateers
At least some
My character has no actual rank in the alliance because I haven't done the relevant quests yet
Unless they grant you rank somewhere and I didn't notice
tulip sun
Your character is what you want
It is your character.
But in lore we are great heroes.
Commanders, etc.
The PCs, not your personal peoples.
jovial skiff
Yeah, and what I mean is if I do a quest to gain specific alliance rank it's pretty solid that my character is in their military officially
Like with garrisons
But idk what I think my main character really is
manic horizon
I don't know that we necessarily have any sort of rank except for WoD, where we were the Commander of the expedition.
manic horizon
We're referred to as "Champion" which to me kind of seems like we're in an almost superhero role. We show up when our faction needs us to save the day/world/universe.
Whether on our own or with a group of other Champions
zealous basalt
First it was Adventurer
Then
Commander
Then Champion or the role of your class
And now back into champion
And in the future as
My champion by Xal
Next she is going to refer us as daddy
misty blaze
i wish i had jaina as a champion she's so sexy
zealous basalt
but you have shandris
calm plank
xal: h a r d e r d a d d y
also makore could you stop lying
xal would never call you her champion
sudden oak
we are her favorite
calm plank
I think you meant I am her favorite
sudden oak
I am a priest so I am her favorite too
sudden oak
sorry its not an opinion its a fact
calm plank
lie: xal likes you
truth: xal likes me
sudden oak
I believe you got them mixed up
calm plank
I believe you are mistaken my friend
sudden oak
That or you are delirious to believe such nonsense
sudden oak
you know nothing
calm plank
she said that you cannot differenciate the truth from the lies
she said that you are w e a k
meanwhile I am her true champion
zealous basalt
yawns You need to be a priest, but I, not being a priest, calls me her champion
strange falcon
lie : you were always my favorite Truth: She's just sweet-talking to get out of her prison dagger
strange falcon
she does threaten to kill you if you get in her way..
calm plank
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
zealous basalt
She can kill me by sitting on me all the day and i wouldnt care
strange falcon
what are you going to do when blizz evolves her to loot pinata
calm plank
I'll riot
zealous basalt
you can loot the stuff
calm plank
I will never land a single hit on her
zealous basalt
i loot her and reviver her for myself
calm plank
but to do that you would have to kill her
zealous basalt
ill go blind, because blind eyes = blind heart
calm plank
[Xal'atath will remember this]
sudden oak
Obviously xal will become the first "benevolent" void lord 
calm plank
tbh I would kinda like once we kill N'Zoth Xal pulled a sneaky on us and start absorbing his powers and it goes to shit
Knaifu deserves all the attention from Blizzard
sudden oak
And xal becomes the new world soul for azeroth
calm plank
s h u s h
zealous basalt
FBI
sudden oak
FBI OPEN UP
zealous basalt
or are they
sudden oak
Its a pity I don't have my FBI memes in my phone
calm plank
🤔
calm plank
o s h i t
sudden oak
calm plank
so anyways if we consider azeroth is waifu material and since xal is 100% waifu
and we fuse the both of them
zealous basalt
Ultimate waifu
sudden oak
I still want husbando Aluneth
calm plank
Void infused azeroth is canonically the strongest being in the great dark beyond
so the strongest character ever is also 200% waifu
all of a sudden the old gods don't sound like such bad guys
they're just trying to make the perfect waifu
calm plank
cause sargeras wouldn't be able to get that titanic booty
I mean what do you think he was doing in his cloud during antorus
zealous basalt
oof
uncut vault
hey, his belt was over the maelstrom for a reason
zealous basalt
...
calm plank
Y'shaarj was the strongest of the old gods
R E V E L A T I O N S
WAIT
THE NIGHT ELVES USED THAT SPOT
calm plank
I SOLVED THE LORE MY DUDE
calm plank
this is now canon lore and there's nothing you can do about it
zealous basalt
What does Y'shaarj...
calm plank
fella got tentacles n stuff
calm plank
what do you think he was doing
zealous basalt
OH GOD
calm plank
can't stop won't stop
calm plank
can we say they where drowning in pus-
I solved WoW lore and there's nothing anyone can do about it
also while I'm at it remember how the dragon soul raid ended
calm plank
Deathwing going straight to the maelstrom
zealous basalt
DOES THAT MEAN DEATHWING'S MADNESS
calm plank
he drowned in the titanic puss
zealous basalt
wait
but does that mean
the demons coming from the well
AND SARGERAS WAS SUPPOSE TO COME FROM IT
zealous basalt
More like deeper lore
calm plank
you might wanna stop while you still can
past this point there is no turning point
also the shamans during the entirety of legion where staying next to the Maelstrom
zealous basalt
stop
calm plank
T H E R E I S N O T U R N I N G B A C K
you have opened Pandora's box
you have reached the real WoW lore
zealous basalt
gods
calm plank
yes
zealous basalt
will give thumbs up
zealous basalt
Oh god
calm plank
and now here is my 12000 words essay on why blizzard should help me write this fanf-
zealous basalt
oof
calm plank
tbh I'm surprised at how long we've been able to keep this going
so much potential with titanic waifu
calm plank
tbh just fuse knaifu waifu with planet waifu and see the player count rise to it's highest
zealous basalt
but would it be still a velf?
calm plank
🤔
guess It'll be a half-elf then
since titans are pretty human looking
I'm so fucking tired woke
zealous basalt
oof
zealous basalt
sleep
sullen dagger
oh dear god
@zealous basalt , @calm plank , go both to a corner of the room, you are being reprimanded, gentlemen, consider yourselfs punished and admonished
tentacles
waifus
let the poor aze-san away form tentacles
zealous basalt
Noes
sullen dagger
¬¬
hollow dock
the fuck has been going on since I was away
zealous basalt
that happened actually
zealous basalt
even port was with us
jovial skiff
I want to hug Azeroth-chan! She deserves a nice break from all the war and violence.
tropic trail
ok guys
so you're telling me that one of the most powerful hunters and priests combined in the entire Warcraft universe that lived for over 10k years
got owned by a single fucking undead with a bow?
heavy cairn
and the necromancy of a val'kyr
tropic trail
honestly, why do they make Tyrande such a weak bitch?
In WC3 she was a xenophobic badass.
But now she's a total joke.
they ruined her character.
heavy cairn
she relies on elune, and elune's powers doesn't work that reliably
not saying in WC3 she relied on elune, nor that that is good storytelling, just laying out the facts as they stand now
night swift
also its kinda just for dramatic effect
heavy cairn
yea, to give an opportunity for malfurion to jump in and save her
night swift
She still sbeats them I think
jovial skiff
clearly this is just all part of elunes master plan to make people think she's weak, then it's revealed that Elune is an evil old god all along and actually the one who made sylvanas warchief
nzoth bows to elune
heavy cairn
elune has vast power but she doesn't put it to use in all the cases the mortals of azeroth would expect
zealous basalt
Yeah, she still beats them up
heavy cairn
she would not have had a chance to beat them up had malfurion not saved her though
tulip sun
Believe what you will
heavy cairn
all it took to counter the magnificient "Night Warrior" was a val'kyr, sylvanas, nathanos, and the champion of the horde
heck, I'm surprised malfurion even helped, considering an orc's axe was enough to fell him
zealous basalt
because we don't know how alliance is
In alliance probably we gie them all a nice beating
that or she allowed herself to be "controlled" enough for us to surprise
heavy cairn
pretty sure your alliance scenario is when tyrande actually becomes the "Night Warrior"
that's conveniently left out of the horde storyline (cuz the cutscene is missing)
zealous basalt
Honestly tho
read what you put
all it took to counter the magnificient "Night Warrior" was a val'kyr, sylvanas, nathanos, and the champion of the horde
hollow dock
well yea
tulip sun
2 valkyr
zealous basalt
As if you are making those less
hollow dock
Honestly Im starting to just grow numb to the story
heavy cairn
I would expect the warrior of the only truly divine entity in the game (Elune) to trump everything
hollow dock
cuz it just doesn't matter in the end
zealous basalt
Would you like
zealous basalt
your warchief dead?
hollow dock
main characters are us
heavy cairn
yes sylvanas sucks
hollow dock
How?
She's doing everything a horde warchief should be doing
waging war, expanding territory
slaughtering the enemy
heavy cairn
her acting that way is a means to an end, an end that looks grim
tulip sun
Your a troll.
hollow dock
Im not
hollow dock
Anyways.
This event has only really numbed me.
at first I was really excited
but then the game's reality came back. Reminded me that it doesn't matter what happens
it's always gotta be "equal" and "have no winners"
otherwise the game stops existing
heavy cairn
well, it's kind of biased towards the horde if we're honest
any victory the alliance has is only in name
alliance takes lordaeron only to lose its capital
tyrande and malfurion simply survive the attack, and kill a val'kyr, failing the primary objective of saving sira and delaryn and preventing their resurrection
zealous basalt
They gotta tone down alliance or Horde loses
we have always know that
You will see that at the moment they start pumping up the Alliance, old gods will appear and they will focus mostly on them rather than the horde
hollow dock
Honestly Kham killing a valkyr is pretty easy
zealous basalt
Although
tulip sun
You do realize though, that she only have so many greater val'kyr to resurrect her.
hollow dock
that's still not much of a victory in comparison to what the horde gains
tulip sun
That is the main reason it is important
zealous basalt
is killing her val'kyr
hollow dock
the alliance gains an inch
zealous basalt
All of them
hollow dock
the horde take a yard
that's what akr is pointing out
and what you always refuse to actually see.
tulip sun
Raising two night elves and some soldiers is not a yard really, is it? And considering our losses in Zuldazar.
heavy cairn
tyrande's objective was to save Sira. she failed. and she also allowed two quite important night elves to be resurrected in service of the Banshee Queen.
tulip sun
Not only was a majority of our war campaign moot(the alliance take the scepter that would allow us to destroy their fleet)
But they killed the zandalari leader and their fleet.
hollow dock
Except there's still a zandalari leader
and the zandalari threat
isn't removed
so OUR campaign was ALSO moot
zealous basalt
In fact, we gave them more than a reason to join Horde
zealous basalt
If they were hessitating to join them at first
hollow dock
you refuse to see things as they are
tulip sun
But the alliance did accomplish things.
hollow dock
We didn't
tulip sun
Stop acting as if they don't
hollow dock
Neither side
heavy cairn
didn't alliance place bombs on the fleet though? you don't need a magic scepter to detonate bombs.
hollow dock
accomplishes much
Which again enforces what I was saying
That in the end
none of this matters
Tyrande becoming the Night Warrior
means nothing
it meant
nothing
In the end, horde still got what they wanted
hollow dock
Tyrande being this legendary warrior meant nothing.
heavy cairn
yea, killing them "all" includes the horde player character
that can't happen
zealous basalt
It means something
hollow dock
it just gave the excuse for a new warfront to exist
zealous basalt
That's what it looks like, isn't?
hollow dock
No
heavy cairn
tyrande hasn't been useful since wc3
zealous basalt
If an empowered form doesnt work
hollow dock
it isn't
zealous basalt
It means that without that, she would have been died or just make a fool of herself
hollow dock
Except for one problem mak
Plot armor.
The empowerment
whether it existed or not
did not dictate if she lived or died
this isn't a D&D campaign
zealous basalt
Yes Des
heavy cairn
would've still made a fool of herself
hollow dock
this isn't an RPG campaign
zealous basalt
But understand that people will play
heavy cairn
just like she did with night warrior empowerment
hollow dock
she made a fool of herself
zealous basalt
And see her in her "empowerement"
zealous basalt
"She kicked our asses and we run away"
heavy cairn
I mean, horde did flee, but because we got what we wanted
hollow dock
In the long run, none of this matters because the game has to exist with both factions.
heavy cairn
and it wasn't worth the continued risk of facing tyrande and malfurion
unique crag
wdym, one of the Val'kyr dies and Sylvanas now don't have a access to ressurect since it requires 3 valkyrs
unique crag
she had 9 initially, 6 died to 2 ressurect
hollow dock
Incorrect
unique crag
3 at ICC, 3 at Gilneas
heavy cairn
regardless, there are still three val'kyrs
hollow dock
died
and that's it
Silverpine took 3 cuz the writers wanted to write off those three.
unique crag
3 Val'kyr dies in Edge of Night.
hollow dock
No others died at ICC
tulip sun
She has 3 left after Darkshore
heavy cairn
there are two named ones (one out of two who went to Darkshore, one who lives in the war campaign ship) and one unnamed alive
tulip sun
Signe, Kyna(I totally got this name wrong) and unnamed
unique crag
around her, and their beauty outshone even hers. ```There were 9 initiallybeauty
unique crag
Anyway, I think Tyrande's ascension will have a role in the future
unique crag
@zealous basalt wdym, Valkyr women are beautiful! 
heavy cairn
9 val'kyr - 1 edge of night - 3 silverpine - 1 andorhal - 1 darkshore = 3 still alive
zinc sandal
Alliance stuff still bugged in PTR?
worn sand
question
do you have to unlock night elf night warrior stuff
with a night elf?
message me if you have an answer
plz
uncut vault
No, you can unlock it on any character
hollow dock
@zinc sandal I doubt it's actually bugged and more so they just don't give it out until it' slive.
zealous basalt
It's the first active build so
vernal juniper
do we know if on 8.1 we need the rep to unlock wq on alts? on legion was removed the requirement
hollow dock
8.1 doesn't provide that
It's already live @vernal juniper
just hit 120 and bam
assuming you rmain has it unlocked
vernal juniper
so are you telling me that on live alts you dont need rep (so i'm a retard :D) ?
@hollow dock
did reps on 3 alts for nothing :d
vernal juniper
yeah i'm a retard than 😦
zealous basalt
Well, either way if you level normally
vernal juniper
nope normal is slow
zealous basalt
You already get the rep from the questing
vernal juniper
only island expedition now for leveling
zealous basalt
So it's kinda a natural flow
hollow dock
I mean
model viewer only loads what you attach it to
If you want to look at the armors, a better bet is the Wowhead site
unique crag
i meant wowhead model viewer
slender plover
Any idea when 8.1 hits?
uncut vault
probably either shortly before or shortly after Blizzcon
Im personally betting before, since they're discussing things other than 8.1
dense plover
i mean, i dont think it really matters when they release it tbh
blizzcon is pretty early considering how nothing is implemented currently
i know that the raid likely wont be until january or february
slender plover
Was just wondering sinde the log in screen have a maintenance message for the week that comes
dense plover
thats normal
dense plover
i doubt it
slender plover
It was for more then just rolling restarts
dense plover
they said they wanted 4-6 months between raids because 7.1 came too soon didnt they?
4 months from september is end of december/beginning of january
6 months is february
uncut vault
They never said that about raids, they just said it about patches, which 8.1 is already further out than 7.1 was
Burning is an 8.1 raid, not an 8.1.5 raid
february is likely going to be Crucible
dense plover
uh
7.1 came out a week before blizzcon
and legion came out late august
so using your timeline they would be nearly the same
vs them saying they want more time
uncut vault
yes, and legion was also three weeks later in august
dense plover
2 weeks
uncut vault
but either way, 100%, Burning is coming out within the next two months, its patch release content like ToV was
it is the main feature of the patch, unlike past legion primary patches, which came with a zone
dense plover
burning is a full boss raid
the sea priest raid is a small raid
zuldazar raid is the nighthold equivalent
uncut vault
except crucible is coming out after burning of zuldazar
uncut vault
I mean, if you actually think theyre gonna be talking about stuff past 8.1 at blizzcon
and then not release it until april
keep believing it, I guess
zealous basalt
No like, they really put in twitter that they won't touch 8.1 topics this blizzcon
dense plover
opfc
b/c we already know whats in the patch
why go over it again
we might get a release date b4 blizzcon
that doesnt mean it will release b4 blizzcon
uncut vault
Like I said, have fun with the idea that they’re announcing a patch six months ahead of time at blizzcon, or that we’re having a four month content drought
zealous basalt
what do you mean with six months ahead of time?
sullen dagger
that blizz will have the patch live blizzcon +6m
sullen dagger
i dont understand the idea of patch = new raid
yes
i think it can have patches without raid inbetween
and the miniraid of 2 bosses will be kinda inbetween
dense plover
except they said sea priest raid is post zuldazar raid
zealous basalt
Oh, so a 8.1.5 raid is no a thing
Well, it could be a patch full of new missions revisiting the areas we already were
That's not a bad thing, right?
sullen dagger
would be awesome tbh
zealous basalt
I mean 7.1 was just quests
So more quests revisiting the already completed areas would be nice
And prolly tie the raid to the war campaign...you know...attune it
hollow dock
7.1 also had return to kharazan didn't it?
no wait that was 7.1.5
no it was 7.1
it was.
zealous basalt
Wasnt that .0.5?
tulip sun
I never did that.
hollow dock
then you missed out
Medivh's alive and well in Karazhan/TwistingNehter
turns out he got 'Thrall'd' and bits of him where scattered everywhere
but he pulled himself together
zealous basalt
And then da party in HS
heavy cairn
@hollow dock the Return to Karazhan instance was 7.1.0
you could access it day one after completing attunement
unlike trial of valor which was gated by some time
hardy hedge
Xal'Atath is literally the best thing that has happened in Legion-BfA. Prove me wrong
"I have always admired you, my... champion." - 8.1 Xal'Atath
Better than Lame'Zoth
hollow dock
Wowhead got it wrong then. @heavy cairn https://www.wowhead.com/return-to-karazhan
heavy cairn
that's odd
7.1 was named "Return to Karazhan", and I specifically remember completing the dungeon on launch day
dense plover
it was 1 dungeon
they split it in 7.2 i think
and i believe the attunement was somewhat straight forward
zealous basalt
Ohh my b
hollow dock
oi vey
zealous basalt
leave my knaifu alone
hollow dock
you enjoy your knaifu
zinc sandal
Can someone explain what that is briefly?
zealous basalt
In short, you will use your pc at full power playing wow if you have a multicore cpu
limber mural
frankly I'm at a point where my transmogs are annoying me so much, I don't care about anything other than when they're dropping Legion LFR
hollow dock
Yup
tbf those titles are redundant as fuck.
As there's already racial titles over in the Argent Tournament
hollow dock
uhhhhhh. "The Purifier" is a bad ass title my friend.
hollow dock
"Why do you keep minimizing all the cool things in lore when its translated in game"
dense plover
I’m guessing we get a release date
Also I would ask “Will we ever see more from the pandaren leaders?”
I seriously don’t understand how you call killing a valkyr and effectively defeating nathanos castration
zealous basalt
"Is Anduin going to get married one day"
hollow dock
More so the whole
the night warrior thing
didn't equate to much
they still die all the same
¯_(ツ)_/¯
It feels hollow in all honesty.
dense plover
Who still dies?
hollow dock
You even noted that even with the night warrior stuff you stillslaughter their forces at Darkshore
it didn't actually equate to much
dense plover
They aren’t ALL night warriors
dense plover
Uh
hollow dock
they're not ALL tyrande
hollow dock
but they are ALL empowered
they are the Army of the Dark Moon peach
they get slaughtered regardless of this.
it makes it feel really hollow
hollow dock
As port and yourself pointed out when first doing it
dense plover
Which ones are you talking about?
hollow dock
The Army of the Dark Moon. the Night elf sentinels that you kill but are empowered by the night warrior ritual
there's no other NPCs there as far as Im aware
dense plover
The ones all around the zones aren’t night warriors. The only night warriors are the ones at the end
The majority of the npcs are just night elf sentinels
hollow dock
Port even posted a screen shot and so did you killing the dark eye'd sentinels
like normal NPCs
dense plover
The only ones with the eyes are the ones with tyrande
hollow dock
it feels hollow is all.
dense plover
Port never posted images of the regular npcs
The only pics port posted that had the night warrior eyes are during the tyrande end bit, and pics of npcs near the warfront donation area
The npcs we kill and raise are not night warriors, they are just sentinels
You can go look through his screenshots
I just did
And I ran that scenario
The moment that tyrande shows up, the horde start losing
And we only raise two night elves instead of like 10 in that end bit
And we lose a valkyr
If you expected tyrande to kill nathanos, I’m sorry?
They aren’t going to kill off a major character in a warfront intro
hollow dock
Yes I understand that
but
you still kill
the night warriors
that's what I am getting at
dense plover
4 night warriors
hollow dock
it made them just different lookign NPCs
dense plover
And 2 worgen
hollow dock
what don't you comprehend about that
dense plover
It wasn’t imo
hollow dock
Clearly Im feeling wrong then
dense plover
I ran the scenario
hollow dock
Great for you.
dense plover
It felt like they were difficult
They just weren’t strong enough to beat nathanos and the champion of the horde
Like - our characters defeated a fucking titan
dense plover
Becoming a night warrior doesn’t increase your strength 10-fold. It’s probably closer to 2 or 3 fold
hollow dock
Blizzard has, in the past, not been afraid to make us 'lose' but escape with our lives.
dense plover
It’s enough to hurt the PC, but not a real threat
hollow dock
Why they didn't do it here is why it really just feels hollow to me.
which is my point
again
hollow dock
Except you didn't lose. You still got a victory in it.
that's more a neutral outcome
dense plover
Two raised isn’t worth a valkyr
hollow dock
It's not just two raised
hollow dock
New. dark rangers. New. You still got your goal done.
that's a neutral outcome
a loss would be Battle for Light's Hope Chapel
THAT is a loss
dense plover
They’re just night elves tho
hollow dock
You're horde so whatever you get you have fun with.
dense plover
I like both side of the story dude
hollow dock
Except your bias's are clearly with the horde.
dense plover
I’m just saying that if you only see things from a win/lose perspective, you are never going to be happy
hollow dock
I was super excited that finally I would get to see the old night elves that I fell in love with. That they'd get their teeth when the NIght Warrior stuff was first released.
I was satisfied with the burning of teldrassil.
I was right
I was satisfied with the Siege.
dense plover
They kind of do. We are also short two cinematica, and the other half of darkshore
Plus the 2nd part of the war campaign for both factions
hollow dock
That doesn't change the outcome
at all
which is slightly more powerful NPCs.
whooo.
could jsut give em azerite armor/weapons and achieve the same shit
dense plover
We don’t know what happens after. What if someone dies after the warfront? What if major characters die during the war campaign?
hollow dock
Which is why my question to blizz is why they feel the need to nerf down really cool lore shit when being put into game
great.
that
doesn't
change
the outcome
of this
scenario
dense plover
Ok
hollow dock
tradition
zealous basalt
"vr wow when"
dense plover
Because Monday is when people get into work after leaving Friday
And if you were working on something on Friday, and didn’t finish, now you can finish before Tuesday
uncut vault
I think the one criticism I can agree with is that the night warriors are kinda wimps. I think Tyrande is fine, dropping a moon on a Valkyr is pretty big, but the NPCs should at least cast moonfire or do some teleport, not really sure what the Night Warrior does to the average elf yet, but seems like it should do more than make their eyes pretty
hollow dock
Thank you Port.
uncut vault
And, to appease people who want the raisings to feel more touch and go, should cut the number of rangers required to raise to 5, and have some of them fail
Since in the camp, we only have 5 generic Rangers anyways
terse patrol
I think Blizzard is afraid of stepping on Horde toes.
Hence why they won’t have Nathanos get his ass beat.
hollow dock
that would do a lot better to at least make it feel less...one sided in everything.
ionic terrace
idk if you guys know, but the Tyrande scenario is on PTR
jovial skiff
late
ionic terrace
figured
meager warren
At least his paw isn't on the trigger
dapper talon
meager warren
Zandalari paladins confirmed
coral kayak
wicked zealot
does anyone know if the new tier sets are available in the ptr collection tab
hollow dock
They arent yet
wicked zealot
thanks
slate sleet
is there any new quests/questlines for the alliance in PTR? like darkshore, night warrior scenario?
slate sleet
wat temple
dense plover
sloot is streaming the raid testing
inside of dazar alor looks cool
its a boss area that players havent seen
slate sleet
ahhh, it does look cool
dense plover
most gear isnt out yet
and the stuff that is, isnt finished
weve had 1 content patch for ptr
we are still missing TONS of stuff
so calm down
its gonna be at least a month, if not 2, until we get the patch
frozen dust
"Can't see shit Priestess"
zealous basalt
Hangover elf
midnight bloom
I can't remember but were Highmountain Druids getting new druid forms for their antlers?
zealous basalt
ye
midnight bloom
Anything for Darkspear Trolls? I really LOVE the Zandalari Balance Druid form (I'm sick of the fat chickens)
zealous basalt
they already have the fangs
midnight bloom
You're right, I should have typed that differently.
I was percisely referring to their moonkin form
I was hoping it get a revamp too.
midnight bloom
I would love it if their Moonkin form was a Tiger of some sort
zealous basalt
wat
dense plover
the highmountain one didnt get a revamp
midnight bloom
One of their other Loa's. I'm not sure if Darkspears follow the same Loas as their Zandalari counterparts exactly but I had assumed they were different
dense plover
they literally just shifted some colors and added the horns
midnight bloom
If Blizz really cared I wonder what Highmountain Tauren would actually get for their Balance Druid form? Maybe some upright Moose of some kind?
zealous basalt
Ogod
dense plover
they do care
but highmountain are not a MAIN race
kul tiran and zandalari are far more different from their base races
and have many unique animations and customization options
midnight bloom
I can't lie, I was really hoping the Kul'Tiras Balance Druid form was going to be one of those killer wicker men
dense plover
i knew it wouldnt be
it would look weird scaled down
and they have almost no animations
i like all of the druid forms for both races
theyre cool
zinc sandal
The spooky chicken looks really good to me.
Zandalari and KT balance forms are the only two instances I wouldn't glyph.
zinc sandal
So good!
midnight bloom
Don't get me wrong, the models for Kul'Tiras Balance Form look amazing, I just wish it wasn't another reskin of Fat Chicken; ironically it makes the most sense though, with Kul'Tiras being strong/buff fats
dense plover
making a new skeletons takes waaaaay more work than making a bunch of models
zealous basalt
confusing*
dense plover
because it needs entirely new animations, sets of joints, rendering, how the skin will be displayed on the model, etc
its way more work
several times more work
ionic terrace
@dense plover The Tyrande scenario is on PTR, actually
ionic terrace
I did it today
dense plover
on the alliance?
ionic terrace
Yes
dense plover
pics or it didnt happen
zealous basalt
ye
ionic terrace
Ok give me a second
dense plover
quests still wouldnt work
you cant simulate the server without the server code
and even then you need the quest database
would would require lots and lots of data capturing
ionic terrace
dense plover
no no
show me pictures of the scenario
re-copy your character
and take pictures of the area and quest text
ionic terrace
I literally logged on my character and the bird showed up lol
dense plover
i apologize for my hostility
ionic terrace
It's fine