The new darkspear leader is 100% Rokhan or Master Gadrin
#beta-ptr-spoilers
tulip sun
jovial skiff
But it's okey when we do it!
zealous basalt
Someone needs to reclaim the lost honor of the so Honorable Horde
jovial skiff
Tauren lad could
uncut vault
Nobody's enslaved any undead in BfA
only enslavement Sylvanas has attempted has been Eyir
dense plover
^
zealous basalt
And she got out without any retaliation either
tulip sun
I hope we learn more
dense plover
also, saurfang is the exact right person to bring the horde back on track
retaliation from who?
tulip sun
I honestly do not know what will happen...we have three people
dense plover
there is no one upset at her?
jovial skiff
Saurfang or Tauren boi
tulip sun
Saurfang, who seemingly wants to overthrow her.
dense plover
she didnt do anything that would upset them
tulip sun
Sylvanas, current warchief leading this war
and then Vol'jin who doesn't want to rid of her
dense plover
to eyir
tulip sun
But save her
jovial skiff
Wait fuck it make a goblin war chief
tulip sun
To put her back on track
zealous basalt
So she just went like if nothing happened
dense plover
why would the horde care about trying to enslave eyir?
they wouldnt
because it just means more troops
no bad consequences
only ones who care are alliance
and greymane stops her
tulip sun
I honestly feel like Baine could get development this expac and become leader. or Saurfang has to change or do something.
Don't know
dense plover
the fuck type of consequences are you looking for?
she didnt do anything that anyone should be upset about
tulip sun
Peach, do the Draenei appear in darkshore at all?
zealous basalt
I dont know peach, perhaps from the Valkyrs?
zealous basalt
The holy ones
dense plover
the holy ones are dead
uncut vault
Darkshore is currently only night elves, warfront isnt active
dense plover
did you do the quest?
tulip sun
I still find that picture of Signe laying over Brynja kinda of sad. I feel bad for them.
dense plover
you fucking kill a shitload of them
tulip sun
I thought I read someone mention worgen were visible/
dense plover
you kill valkyr and the warriors
uncut vault
just two, though, everything else is night elves
dense plover
theyre probably her scouts
zealous basalt
What about that thing on the sea
uncut vault
well, what we're in is just for the questline, no?
zealous basalt
So there is a part 2 of the part 2?
dense plover
no
whats currently in is 1 questline
thats all we know
and then the bottom half of the zone is blocked off
dense plover
they arent sentinels
tulip sun
OH MY. If only worgen were able to be revived. Genn's hatred...
zealous basalt
Yes but they cant
tulip sun
Well, in lore there was worgen sentinels
dense plover
its more like they were helping tyrande find nathanos
uncut vault
Yeah, if you refuse, Nathanos says "I knew you didnt have it in you." and shoots her
dense plover
they were the first troops
uncut vault
an arrow?
dense plover
and then the rest arte night elves
tulip sun
I was picturing a pistol for some reason xD
dense plover
which implies they are scouts
zealous basalt
His signature weapon is a bow
tulip sun
I kinda wished they implemented worgen sentinels more. I only know of like 2 that appeared once
Sadly seems all commanders will be undead or night elves
I was hoping for a gilnean and draenei
zealous basalt
So far
dense plover
there are lightforged troops within the darkshore warfront according to datamining
zealous basalt
They are saying that it is incomplete yet
tulip sun
Well
Telaamon is at the raid
I assumed they were too
I hope they appear in darkshore though
Draenei, Worgen and Night Elves together would be great
jovial skiff
Yeah, mite b cool
dense plover
Is this a new WQ?
zealous basalt
Wtb ships
zealous basalt
"Minor content patch"
uncut vault
Yes
zealous basalt
My ass
zealous basalt
This puts 6.1 to shame
uncut vault
a lot of races, mostly humans, both stormwind and kul tiran, but certain areas have certain races
mainly, worgen, gnomes, draenei/lightforged, and dwarves
its definitely beautiful in its destruction
zealous basalt
Dat eclipse tho
uncut vault
both factions have the same incursion
dense plover
oh shit, so the tree isnt totally gone - its just a husk
tulip sun
I wonder what races and characters appear for alliance
dense plover
same that appear for horde
you can see both sides fighting across the southern half of the zone
highmountain, goblins, maghar, orcs, tauren, darkspear
uncut vault
yeah the visuals a bit bugged in the new phase
only shows up when you fly out over the water
tulip sun
Highmountain don't totally replace the tauren? 😛
So Pandaren and Nightborne are left out of the fun
and no void elves for alliance
Sad. 😦
But still amazing
and I am totally getting on the PTR to check it all out
zealous basalt
Well
uncut vault
there are void elves
zealous basalt
Void elves were relevant in the Allia ce War campaign
uncut vault
some of the mages in one of the quests can be void elves
umbric is also back for the 8.1 war campaign
uncut vault
nightborne are also in the incursions, pandaren as well
nightborne are opening portals in greystone
tushui pandaren mistweaver is healing wounded civilians
tulip sun
e.e
No one mentione dthis1
Oh my gosh
I am so excited
So literally everyone is involved
tulip sun
That all you can focus on out of all this? So much neat stuff
hollow dock
its more of the same tho
Killin civies is the only legitimate new thing
cuz there's actual focus on that
tulip sun
Why does Amalia Stone look so Large
zealous basalt
What if you are the one stoned
tulip sun
The human pirates are fighting the alliance for us
zealous basalt
Fucking pirates
tulip sun
Rexxar, MISHA and Valtrois are in the middle of a field with an arcane bubble around them
Usha Eyegourge, is she new?
Eyegouge*
tulip sun
Found Druz
And hm...Nightborne looks fabulous in horde gear
That invading summoner is great
hollow dock
I think I wouldn't be so jaded at Kham's comments if she did this for the alliance.
tulip sun
I can't like stuff I see?
There is a n ightborne horde commander the alliance have a WQ to kill.
terse patrol
I just had a big brain thought.
On how the Warbringers video for Sylvanas would have been WAY better.
Don't you guys think Sylvanas' Warbringer trailer would have been MUCH cooler if they had Sylvanas shooting arrows at Arthas, seemingly almost getting the upper hand, then he fucking DEATHGRIPS her into his sword?
"Hows that ranged advantage now lmao" -Arthas
Instead of
POWERSLIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE
jovial skiff
I think deathgripping people directly onto blades is kick ass
Or asphyxiated and just casually strolling up smug as hell and slowly impaling them
Very edgy
frozen dust
"Ow the edge" -Whoever just got deathgripped
jovial skiff
Yeah exactly
tulip sun
I am too busy and laggy.
proper compass
scrapping rates on PTR or very different than live
proper compass
just scrapped 300 to test.. its completely different
tulip sun
I like alliance too e.e
dense plover
more expulsom?
proper compass
no the other mats
dense plover
huh
tulip sun
Just before you commented that, I was saying that I liked what I saw.
Tushui healing especially
dense plover
well i guess thats more expulsom in the long run
proper compass
expulsom rate i got 1.4x which is close enough.. but shimmerscale armguards give guaranteed bone
1.5x bone per and 2x shimmerscale on overage over 300 scraps
dense plover
1.4x seems higher
proper compass
thats 3x the bone it is currently
dense plover
jeez
proper compass
would make the effective expulsum rate way higher too because now you can recycle into way more bracers etc
zealous basalt
i see wat is it
vernal tartan
@dense plover hmph, so she tried to raise other elves too, but failed? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406285497846071306/497516430934278145/unknown.png
vernal tartan
I mean, the spell
dense plover
yeah
vernal tartan
The lighning here strikes everyone
dense plover
the goal was just those 2
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i dont think the effect is final;
the goal according to the quest was just those 2
vernal tartan
I mean, it could've been a nice tidbit about the free willed undead. Like, the spell reached other corpses too (cause, Nathanos surely need as much help, as he could get). but only these two (who were chosen as the ones who would agree to get rezzed) accepted the gift.
But you're right, better wait for the live version
dense plover
do you remember the tyrande xavius stuff?
dense plover
people STILL dont understand that the tyrande calls were xavius taunting her
vernal tartan
It's just that Brynja had said that There are no willing souls nearby when you run around rezzing new dunk rangers.
So maybe. Dunno
jovial skiff
I really like the warden set
hollow dock
idk doesn't it seem....
inconsistent to anyone?
For one point
it's willing
and they accept it
others
it's blood rage
and makes them go crazy
and others it's not evenasked
and forced
Why can't blizz just be consistent in how the forsaken are risen?
jovial skiff
Yeah, maybe blizzard isn't even sure what thy want
Maybe there's actually just more than one method?
If somebody consents to a zombie ress like that though I think it's fine,
hollow dock
I would accept that if it were multiple different things doing the raising
jovial skiff
Like the horseman in legion
hollow dock
but these are all val'kyr
jovial skiff
Ah
Hmm, maybe different spells or something
Or again blizzard just isn't sure/care enough
tulip sun
For all wh know everyone raised by the valkyr are willing, perhaps just unknown or the reason forgotten. Who knows.
tulip sun
Perhaps they are searching for specific souls
tulip sun
Des, I was not stating it as a fact. :/
tulip sun
I don't know what is going on either. They could easily handwave it in.
hollow dock
we do know that the val'kyr do not only do this
tulip sun
If that is what blizz wants, it is so.
hollow dock
and wanted to place the source that conflicts with that statement
tulip sun
Just gotta wait for more information
hollow dock
Which is Andorhal. Where a prime valkyr raised a bunch of dead alliance farmers and they fought for the forsaken immediately
jovial skiff
Why is that?
hollow dock
Which was explained as "Raising forsaken turns them into a blood rage"
tulip sun
Perhaps in Darkshore, they were looking for speciic souls
hollow dock
so they don't know what's going on
tulip sun
Stone was unwilling. Went batshit crazy until Lilian calmed her down and after a while convinced her to stay. The willing Zelling was fine out of the gate. Kinda makes sense?
For those mass raised and such like the farmers, could be like stone
Who we know in lore are stated to be easily manipulated by the rezzers
hollow dock
But again
tulip sun
I am just throwing out possible explanations
hollow dock
that doesn't cover the whole
"We're looking for loyal subjects"
why
why does that have to happen?
You can raise them just fine otherwise and they become loyal anyways
that's the inconsistency Im getting at
cuz I can guarantee you that the dialogue will be unchanged, this event will be unexplained, and everything just continues until enough people bring it up at a blizzcon panel
tulip sun
Not all forsaken are loyal either. It could simply be a safety measure. Not exactly something we need to look too deeply in.
hollow dock
OK fine
tulip sun
We might never know
frozen dust
If you listen closely you can hear Red Shirt Guy preparing for war
tulip sun
The circumstances for raising and stuff could have changed since back then, they could have easily changed their ways. It is not really inconsistent, just development and such.
zealous basalt
Red Shirt Guy is going to obliterate blizzard
tulip sun
If they pick him for a question, lol
zealous basalt
Blizz seems afraid of him
frozen dust
Shit man I'd be too
zealous basalt
I mean, it is cool if we forget this undead inconsistence
meager warren
Does RSG take blizz's bs?
zealous basalt
No
meager warren
Good
zealous basalt
He poitns it out and starts obliterating them
meager warren
I love him already
frozen dust
During the pre-patch event he was pretty much live-tweeting "Hey guys what the fuck" IIRC
zealous basalt
Ye and he was like
"Lol im not the one that said that Tandred was not cannon"
"that was metzen"
meager warren
Topkek
zealous basalt
because Tandred says that "that there red shirt bloke told me im not cannon"
vernal tartan
https://imgur.com/a/zpI9KiP more scrns, yeah, the lightning was focused on multiple corpses
Props to Tyrande for breaking the chain/kill/rez-beam herlself though
terse patrol
Dont you see Derek is in a blood rage? @hollow dock
Definitely not a frightened, desperate man.
Blood rage.
hollow dock
deffos a loyal man
they sought him to be loyal
not FORCED HIM into it
after supposedly changing their ways
@tulip sun
plain vigil
stiff vector
Nice
sullen dagger
So
After the raising of daelin and the elf
And they magically decide to be on sylvannas side and fuck everything else
Cause plot armor
Can anyone still say that forsaken have free will?
Cause I don't see any
Like at art
At all*
That was weird af
meager warren
http://prntscr.com/l2e9up
http://prntscr.com/l2ea2v
@hollow dock this is what i dislike
sullen dagger
I don't like at all how they are building the horde this expansion
meager warren
same
uncut vault
Tfw it’s literally stated that the Valkyr raise willing souls, and the entire war campaign is dedicated to two separate undead grappling with their curse, but people still think they don’t have free will
Doesn’t fit their narrative I guess
sullen dagger
?
sudden oak
And then they show that the night elves have personal grudges with their former people and that's why they join or at least Sira @uncut vault
sullen dagger
I don't think that's like that at all
sudden oak
But yeah heavens forbid something as trivial as death change someones personality @uncut vault dont you think
sullen dagger
At least in her novel
sudden oak
The broadcast text shows Sira moonwarden being resentful of maiev
And want her dead for leaving the vault of the wardens fiasco on her after maiev went chasing gul'dan
and something almost everyone forgets is that rising those that recently died make them go into a blood rage
not everything the val'kyr rise
meager warren
@uncut vault if the valkyr raise willing souls only, then why did Sylvanas make that threat?
also, iirc, in one of the recent Traveler books, they said that the forsaken don't have free will
sudden oak
Idk about traveler but both zelling and Amanda have their free will
terse patrol
Derek sure sounds like he’s in a blood rage.
sudden oak
what part of rising those that recently died didnt you get?
tulip sun
Everyone in bfa is willing thus far
sudden oak
for a forsaken to be risen with a blood rage he needs to die in combat and being risen soon after or dying under a lot of stress and being risen soon after
calm plank
just thought about it but if the 8.1 raid releases before the end of the month we'll get to see some new spook mogs in time for halloween
limber mural
doubt it
calm plank
me too but a skeleton can dream
dense plover
It’s not going to
It’s not even close to ready
Also, they said they released 7.1 too quick
They want 4-6 months between raid openings
frozen dust
I don't even remember 7.1 really
frozen dust
That might have been while I was in rehab
dense plover
And the second half of the nightbourne storyline
January is the soonest we should expect the next raid
We will probably get the patch itself in December
frozen dust
Maybe I can actually make headway on admiralty and imperial rep before then-- haha as if
bold steeple
I just want more player agency
if I have a headcanon for my character in-game, I want the option to do things that actually reflect that
if my Horde character isn't okay with what Sylvanas is doing, I dislike being railroaded by the gameplay into "just do what she says anyway"
give me gameplay options that reflect a different path
that still give epix, preferably
but on the flipside, people that like what Sylvanas is up to should get options that let them lean further into it, go full mustache-twirly genocidal maniac
LET ME KILL FOR YOU SYLVANAS WAIFU
etc.
frozen dust
My undead hunter's Deepest Lore is that he thinks he's Sylvanas' Starscream because of how many quests he gets sent on and how bitter he is over it but she doesn't even know he exists because he's so nothing
bold steeple
mine is a secret Desolate Council sympathizer
for him, Syl killing the Council would have been the last straw
he might not have left the Horde, but he'd certainly have bailed on Sylv's orders
only reason I can head-canon justify following along is fear of true death
but imagine about as cuddly as one could get as an Undead, and that's where my Undead characters are at
they'd like to reconnect with what's left of their human relatives if they can
they wanted the reunion in Arathi to go... well, differently.
Sylv turning on her own people was the biggest sign of "yeah, we really shouldn't follow her anymore"
slate sleet
Anyone else randomly getting PTR updates every 15 mins for days?
dense plover
Yes
Everyone
Turn on manual updates
Don’t leave the launcher open when you aren’t using it
zealous basalt
Options > Installing/Updating
Scroll down
check on "Never update automatically"
Alternatively you can check on "Specific configuration"
meager warren
Thanks
midnight bloom
Well I'm pretty upset with the Horde intro to Darkshore. Night Elf leaders are absolutely useless
zealous basalt
Well, they kicked the asses of the group, didn't they?
sudden oak
the horde had to escape from them and Tyrande dropped a fucking moon on a val'kyr
how is she useless again?
dense plover
^
terse patrol
Well
terse patrol
Apparently the Alliance side goes further, I hear.
dense plover
Those are the only ones that can raise sylvanas
Don’t know how you hear that
The alliance side isn’t working
You can’t access the night warrior storyline
terse patrol
Maiev attacks Sira and Nathanos or something, according to PTR spells.
terse patrol
"You are a Warden no longer, Sira! You have abandoned everything we stand for!
It is you who abandoned us, Maiev! You burdened me with everything in your absence!
This ends here, Maiev. You will know how it feels when your allies fail you.
It is true I have wronged you in the past, Sira... but there is no justice in this!
Darkshore belongs to us, Maiev. We are coming for you.
You do not frighten me, Sira. Nor do the forces of death you now serve!"
So, this had to have happened right after the Horde scenario ended, yes?
jovial skiff
makes sense
terse patrol
Since it ends with Sira and Delaryn being raised, and you being forced to flee.
So, what if two Valkyr end up killed?
jovial skiff
What I want to know, is when we'll get that kickass warden armor
maybe if they do heritage armor for ALL races night elves will get it
but... theyll probably get some leafy green druid stuff instead if I had to guess
terse patrol
He fails to save one, then the other sacrifices itself to raise Nathanos when he's killed after the Horde player leaves.
This could very well result in a rift between Nathanos and Sylvanas.
Because Sylvanas has no "get out of hell free card" anymore.
@dense plover Thoughts?
It's pure speculation
but ye
terse patrol
We dunno yet.
But we know the Night Elves attack the Horde after the Horde scenario ends.
So, the Alliance scenario is chronologically further than the Horde one apparently.
uncut vault
No, that was baseless speculation
Brynja is killed by Tyrande, no other valkyr die
the "blightcaller yet lives" line seems to be after the alliance version of the showdown on the beach
uncut vault
Yes, Signe, Kyra, and one we havent met yet
hardy hedge
Tyrande still needs saving by Malfurion
And is mind-controlled by the Val'kyrs
Despite all the shit she went through, she is as useless as ever
So (???)
That's not saying how the Night Elves easily turn on their kind minutes after being raised "On their own free will" (??!!!)
So yeah
uncut vault
still dunno why people keep saying she gets saved by malfurion when its her own spell that frees herself, and she has a teamwork moment with malfurion after
zealous basalt
Does she get mc, port?
uncut vault
Yes, which acts more like a subjugation than actual mind control
She then uses one of her night warrior powers to free herself, and malfurion ambushes us
uncut vault
we'll probably find out when we do the alliance side of this
since it also ends at the beach confrontation, but with us alongside maiev and malfurion instead
dense plover
Oh, horde doesn’t see maiev
I think that might be later
Since they talk to Sira
Irk
Idk
uncut vault
maiev arrives right after the horde leaves
asks what just happens, tyrande explains and puts her in charge of the forces in darkshore
hollow dock
@hardy hedge Sira hates maeiv
that's why she turns
Maeiv legit left the Wardens
came back
and just took her job.
there's legitiamte hate there. that's fine.
proud dome
I can see why people hate Maiev
Don’t know if Tyrande and Malfurion still do or the demon hunters
But what good has she really done apart from freeing the demon hunters she imprisoned
Illidan probably hates her the most
zealous basalt
Being Illidan's jailer for 10k years isn't enough?
proud dome
She also claimed that Tyrande had died and lied to Malfurion
zealous basalt
Yep
proud dome
Kael’Thas had to step in
proud dome
Still, I want that Warden Armor
zealous basalt
Sira was with us in Draenor too
proud dome
She’s a weird character
In fact in heroes of the storm she is portrayed as a tsundere with Illidan...
I don’t know why
Who was Sira again?
Isn’t she an undead now
zealous basalt
You might remember her from the person that sppoke to us in the warden world quest
proud dome
Ah ok
zealous basalt
She followed Gul'dan
Got trapped
We release her
Goes back to Warden and I think she takes charge again
proud dome
Wasn’t she imprisoned in Black Rook Hold or something
zealous basalt
Ye
zealous basalt
Yes
proud dome
Because Gul’dan asked her to prove her loyalty, which implies she had free will
So then why
uncut vault
she came back in TBC after running off to chase illidan, leaving Sira in charge, then ran off again in wolfheart, leaving sira in charge, then returned pre-legion after her mess in wolfheart and just took control over, then rushed off to fight guldan in the demon hunter scenario, and left Sira in charge again, then returned AGAIN after being saved by us in black rook hold
zealous basalt
Ehhh I don't remember, something about learning about the legion's secrets back in WoD
uncut vault
so Sira has reasons to hate her, doesnt really know how to stay in her position
hollow dock
Yea. Sira is fine.
What I don't get is Delaryn's stance
her whole "Elune abandoned us" schtick doesn't really work.
zealous basalt
Well, in the book it said that she felt that was as she saw the tree burning
hollow dock
Like she'd be more than aware of the Night Warrior stuff.
hollow dock
Yea but how come she' snot changing her stance like anyone else would when.
ya know.
Elune is being active before your very eyes?
uncut vault
because that just seems like elune picking and choosing
she'll empower one champion, but wont save the night elven people
hollow dock
I would think that,
but here's the thing
she empowers
all
the night elves there
not just Tyrande
they all go night warrior
tulip sun
And Sira was a random warden name in wc3 I think
hollow dock
that....isn't relevant
tulip sun
I was commenting on what was on my screen.
zealous basalt
He said that to X3l
tulip sun
It was esrlier
zealous basalt
he asked about where did sira come from
uncut vault
its still a matter of abandoning the night elves when they needed her most, her and tyrande come to terms with it in different ways, tyrande demands elune helps, delaryn seems to fully reject elune
hollow dock
But does she really become just a stiff wooden staff of emoness? =
uncut vault
which, keep in mind we've seen like two lines out of delaryn, and no actions
tulip sun
Her name is from wc3
zealous basalt
Well
tulip sun
Which was my point
zealous basalt
2 many names got from w3
tulip sun
uncut vault
her pose and silence when you go to speak with her post-raising kinda shows she's not fully adjusted from the stupor of being raised
tulip sun
Delaryn?
uncut vault
who knows, maybe she'll betray sylvanas in a patch or two, took longer than a few minutes for people like Stone to adjust
tulip sun
That is possible
hollow dock
Idk. It rubs me the wrong way how they keep, yet again, being inconsistent
in how undead react when raised
tulip sun
It they continue this parallel
uncut vault
well, the consistency is that its inconsistent
zealous basalt
Its probably different for everyone
uncut vault
everyone reacts differently
tulip sun
Like
uncut vault
no two people died the same, no two people are raised the same
tulip sun
Zelling is perfectly.fine
sudden pollen
Afaik it amplifies emotions, causing everyone to react to undeath differently.
hollow dock
So was Sira
tulip sun
Stone went Bashit crazy
hollow dock
but they chose to be raised
tulip sun
Perhaps that aids
tulip sun
Delaryn was not willing Perhaps? Hm...
I want to learn more about this willing soul thing
hollow dock
Mind you that's more rhetorical of my questions.
zealous basalt
Or she has not too much hate?
uncut vault
a willing soul doesnt always need to mean theyre willing to become forsaken, can just mean they have a desire to finish things in the real world
hollow dock
Which to me just screams as an excuse.
uncut vault
or a desire to get out of the darkness thyre now in
tulip sun
Makes sense porter
hollow dock
Night elf souls are forever bound to our world
zealous basalt
And wasn't Sira more recent than Delaryn?
sudden pollen
Death knights
uncut vault
that was because of elune, Im pretty sure
sudden pollen
Basically
hollow dock
It wasn't elune I know that much
tulip sun
Makore, you mean when they died?
zealous basalt
ye
tulip sun
Sira dies directly before raised, ya
tulip sun
We like kill her then raise her
zealous basalt
And Delaryn just depressed? Would that mean something?
tulip sun
And she is POed Tyrande didn't show up sooner
Delaryn is something about elune not aiding her
hollow dock
Not something
zealous basalt
So depressed
tulip sun
Which is referenced in her first voiceline
hollow dock
Don't say something when we just went over why she was risen
tulip sun
Which is why I think their last emotions and thoughts are amplified
tulip sun
We are discussing her final thoughts
hollow dock
No
we aren't
The reason she was risen was because of the whole 'Elune abandoned us' schtick
which I pointed out doesn't make much sense as to why she keeps that when ya know
the legendary night warrior and the friggin moon eclipses before her
and she's not reacting to it
a close friend and I have been discussing it and we've kinda figured out that this is basically a retelling of the Arthas story
Anduin being hte Arthas that Arthas should have been and Sylvanas acting the Lich King
Which we also pinpointed that either Sira or Delaryn would fit the bill to play the Sylvanas in that storyline, but neither are actively against their enslaver (yet)
as Sira and Delaryn chose to be risen.
Where-as Sylvanas was forced into it for shits and giggles
We then came to the conclusion that they might try and make Delaryn the "Gotcha" character. Where you think she's one way but she's suddenly not that. Only without hints towards it and instead just spring that suddenly she doesn't want to be forsaken anymore.
uncut vault
I mean, would be a pretty horrid story if its two exact retreads of old stories
hollow dock
I mean blizz has retold the exact story of WC3 multiple times. We aren't putting it past them for them to retread arthas' story.
tulip sun
They could just task her.to for instance
Kill Tyrande, and she ends up not being able to,
Like, not physically but...you know
zealous basalt
I don't think she is pissed with Tyrande
tulip sun
Just task her something she can't do against her people.
And thus starts her questioning her newfound allegiance
hollow dock
and that'd be great IF it turns into another saurfang
zealous basalt
It makes me curious
hollow dock
but be honest Kham
do you in your heart of hearts
think they'll do that with Delaryn?
tulip sun
I honestly don't know what the hell will happen.
tulip sun
There are strong parralel with sylvanas' story. So I think her turning out rebel is high.
High chance*
But perhaps they don't want to make it identical, so keep her.loyal.
zealous basalt
Or in the turns of events
She realizes that Elune maybe still be with them and ends ending her life.
tulip sun
Hm...
Poasible.
Perhaps elune will take a true form or we learn what she actually is
And it affects her
hollow dock
there's still no answer to my question. =/ I'll just drop it then.
uncut vault
honestly though, if I had to choose
tulip sun
I said there is a high chance
uncut vault
Id 100% take another arthas style story than another garrosh style story
I'll take delaryn over saurfang any day
tulip sun
I fully believe that this will be solved internally
tulip sun
No alliance help
hollow dock
It's fine Kham
zealous basalt
What the heck did you ask
hollow dock
you don't have to answer. I get it
zealous basalt
Clear question
hollow dock
I asked if Kham believes in anything they are saying.
In any of the theories they are spouting
not what they think blizzard will do
they do not wish to answer and that's fine
zealous basalt
...That's not what I understood
hollow dock
[9:15 PM] Des: I asked if you believe what you're saying
uncut vault
friend in another discord made a mockup of waht they shoulda done with the nelf dark ranger look, instead of just a reddish glow over blue DK eyes
tulip sun
No point is sticking to that
hollow dock
[9:14 PM] Des: do you in your heart of hearts
[9:14 PM] Des: think they'll do that with Delaryn?```the original question
Like I said
moving on
zealous basalt
Yeah and it felt like
zealous basalt
you were asking towards what were saying with blizz
tulip sun
They'd look so good
tulip sun
I love that model above
hollow dock
but they don't want to answer
zealous basalt
What if they are unfinished yet?
hollow dock
so it doesn't matter.
zealous basalt
What if they are unfinished yet*
uncut vault
I certainly hope theyre unfinished, the DK eyes + cone of shame hood isnt the best look
hollow dock
that's what we said about Seraphi
zealous basalt
They could prolly get a placeholder
hollow dock
he still is just a blood elf with dk eyes
tulip sun
Sira has red eyes...supposedly. at least her mask glows red
zealous basalt
who is seraphi
tulip sun
Really??
hollow dock
or maybe MoP.
tulip sun
I think there actually is a few named helves this expansion
hollow dock
No mop didn't have any named high elves...or maybe Im forgetting one.
Theyre old reused helves kham
new named helves.
as in, new characters
tulip sun
Oh? Even the one in the warfront?
hollow dock
yes
zealous basalt
Never trust the wowwiki
tulip sun
And the portal mage?
uncut vault
courier larkspur was added in legion
zealous basalt
look at what this say
hollow dock
Yup.
tulip sun
Huh
zealous basalt
"Frostfender Seraphi is a male blood elf that appears in World of Warcraft. He is a member of Auric's Angels."
tulip sun
I wonder if those mini commanders canonicly die
tulip sun
May identify as a high elf
hollow dock
they used a blood elf model and gave it DK eyes.
tulip sun
But was tainted
uncut vault
they did it to make sure hes recognizable, since they never made a new blue glow with the model revamps
hollow dock
not a high elf then Kham
uncut vault
dark rangers have the same problem
hollow dock
that's just something that exists with belf DKs
and yea dark rangers have the same issue
they never got rid of the green tint with the glowy eyes.
Yet you can see on the actual dedicated high elf skins, there is no green.
See the NPCs in dal
zealous basalt
lazy
zealous basalt
dis m8
zealous basalt
....Speaking of
uncut vault
people thought the DK faces with no glow were high elf faces
tulip sun
But oh well
uncut vault
its not in yet
hollow dock
yea they'd never work on something they consider a dead race
tulip sun
I figured the separate blue eyes would hint at like...
Either belf customization or something playable for helf
hollow dock
Belves already got a customization...
tulip sun
Ok? That was just my thought if the separate eyes were true
zealous basalt
I am curious to see what will happen with dDelaryn
leaden garden
Anyone on Alli side good at pvp? I really wanna try and hit 1800 for this season
But i reeeeally suck at pvp and need help >_<
zealous basalt
i succ too
leaden garden
I really want that 1800 armor mog though T_T
night swift
is 1800 where you get the last of the set?
night swift
oh shit
I thought it was 2k
I'm almost 1400 on my pally and my monk is a combatant
zealous basalt
oof
leaden garden
I can't even break 1300 >_<
Paladin can't move for shit and I just get stunlocked all the time
night swift
what spec are you?
leaden garden
Ret
night swift
race?
leaden garden
LF Draenei
leaden garden
No
night swift
are you using your gladiator medallion to break stuns?
night swift
dont forget about blessing of freedom
leaden garden
But I'll use it if I'm low or my partner is getting dead
Also
BoFD
BoF* = big fucking deal
Doesn't last long, can get stolen, dispelled , or purged
And has a long ass CD
They only need to outrun me till it runs out if they don't take it from me
night swift
thats why you plan around enemy cds
leaden garden
Purge has no CC
CD*
Trust me when I say BoF means virtually nothing
It was decent when it had 2 charges
night swift
it does when youre holy pally
night swift
they melt when they have no cds
leaden garden
I still don't under stand why all CCs aren't on the DRs
The right comp can keep you completely CC'd between fears, disorients, saps, and stuns
And just rotate them to fuck you over
night swift
yeah theres not much you can do against that
its a dumb comp that blizz is completely ok with
leaden garden
Sorry I don't mean to be so contradictory, it's just I've been playing Ret for over a decade and we've never had much in the pvp department. Great burst, sure, IF we can get to you
Because the pvp community wines if you nerf their stunlock
I really wanna just get the gladiator armor mog for my pally but I really can't seem to get a hand on this arena thing
If you can help PM me lol
night swift
talk to the pally discord
leaden garden
Yeaaah I got booted from that discord for saying that Lightforged Draenei racials "aren't that bad"
night swift
from Hammer of Wrath?
leaden garden
This was back when they first came out and I defended the light nuke with "itt's not the WORST racial, I like it"
Idr the name but it was the go to pally discord
The whooolllllllle discord was bitching about how bad LF are and how they might as well nogt even be an allied race
meager warren
is that Nathanos?
🔫
uncut vault
ah, I see the writer harassment has reached this discord too
calm plank
of course it has
sudden oak
It looks like its not an alliance victory unless the horde gets completely decimated
Dont you think @uncut vault
hollow dock
To be fair that's how it often feels when the horde gets a victory.
mighty wolf
is ptr still unavailable?
sudden oak
I think you can play the introduction to darkshore as horde not sure if something else tho @mighty wolf
hollow dock
its temperamental at best.
for some people it does work, for others it doesn't. Some places cause crashes others dont
mighty wolf
but i have an error when i just open the game
zealous basalt
Did I miss a lot of stuff
tulip sun
Tyrande is strong now
tulip sun
Ya.
She destroys the horde.
Kills a valkyr
We barely escape, I say that's a win for her.
zealous basalt
I mean in the channel
Also check the comments on the yt videos of the ptr questline
hollow dock
Comments are never good on youtube or wowhead.
they dont know how to settle for the scraps of wins the alliance gets
zealous basalt
Yeah but they mostly talk about how Nathanos can pick up a fight and call him a nobody lel
Honestly tho
Even I admit I am misjudging the questline without seeing Alliance part
tulip sun
I mean, he is a pretty prominent Horde character nowadays.
hollow dock
recent* prominent horde character
tulip sun
Still prominent
hollow dock
that's what mak was pointing out that hte comments were pointing out.
For someone who jus tplays the game, this man suddenly shows up out of the blue and starts fighting world leaders
tulip sun
Yup
hollow dock
the original is better
frozen dust
I agree, but it'd be harder if the Forsaken version had the cool over-the-shoulders cloak that the original does
hollow dock
shame the horde can't steal everything from the alliance.
tulip sun
I wonder why the cloak was removed in legion
hollow dock
I can think of a few reasons
all of em have to do with the fact that no warden model actually existed
they just used Maeiv's model
tulip sun
Cloak just for Maiev then?
hollow dock
Yup
tulip sun
I have a feeling the third warfront commander for the horde will be a goblin.
hollow dock
one of those Honkerton feelings?
tulip sun
I suppose.
It is kinda weird if they focus heavily on Goblin aesthetic with the Forsaken as well if one does not appear.
hollow dock
There's a focus on Goblin?
tulip sun
The giant goblin oil rig or whatever. The goblin helicopter pad or whatever it is. Goblins everywhere alongside forsaken.
SEveral named new goblin NPCs.
hollow dock
I wouldn't really call it an aesthetic as if it were an invading force though. They're there as the workers no? building up horde stuff that otherwise don't exist?
tulip sun
There are several named people too, and doesn't change the fact everything there is goblin thus far.
In style ^
steel venture
.. its kind of because goblins are the backbone of all horde technology.
there's even goblins helping the apocatharies at this point
strange falcon
just like gnomes do most of the alliance's technology
frozen dust
Yeah, goblins seem to be fairly universal to anything the Horde is expending effort on
strange falcon
it's pretty common to have workers on site,especially on something as big as a warfront
tulip sun
It isn't just workers though e.e
tulip sun
Yuppers
hardy hedge
@uncut vault I havent said anything to him in Twitter. But sure.
limber mural
Where actually are the two from the book? I thought they were meant to be in current zones atm
can't even remember which book now...
zealous basalt
Before the Storm
and yeah
that's the ship
dey still alive
something in the latest news says something of it
terse patrol
"man i wish the horde had wardens"
"lets make forsaken wardens"
@hollow dock
"i wish the horde had draenei"
"lets make forsaken draenei"
thats comin next
i bet
zealous basalt
"man i wish horde had hands"
terse patrol
Horde - stealing the Alliances stuff for years
zealous basalt
draenei bazed class
midnight bloom
I'm not the only one who thinks the writing for Siras reasoning after shes resurrected poor right?
That complete 180 is just awful.
Body wasn't even cold before she was resurrected in a matter of two minutes.
midnight bloom
W-what?
She goes from being on the Night Elf side and Alliance to completely turning against them in a matter of minutes.
Ether Slyvanas has upgraded her resurrection powers to have mind manipulation/mind control or it's bad writing.
zealous basalt
She was hatreful towards Maiev, what undead thing does is enhancing the last things you last thought of before dying, and the effect is worse when you die fighting
What is a mystery is Delaryn
midnight bloom
Makore, there's never any forefront explanation as to what you're trying to say at all
And if there is, it should have been something mentioned again prior to this event.
midnight bloom
When undead are resurrected they are suppose to have free will.
I tried but I can't.
Discord isn't letting me go that high.
zealous basalt
Let me
tulip sun
We going over this AGAIN? Lol
midnight bloom
I just got here and Discord isn't letting me view what was discussed
zealous basalt
she came back in TBC after running off to chase illidan, leaving Sira in charge, then ran off again in wolfheart, leaving sira in charge, then returned pre-legion after her mess in wolfheart and just took control over, then rushed off to fight guldan in the demon hunter scenario, and left Sira in charge again, then returned AGAIN after being saved by us in black rook hold
so Sira has reasons to hate her, doesnt really know how to stay in her position
and that's enough reason to raise against maiev
midnight bloom
Thats not a good excuse though and the entire 180 after shes resurrected is still in poor form.
zealous basalt
Think what you want to think m8
midnight bloom
Are there any updated, in-game quest lines or lore bits that discuss how Forsaken are resurrected
midnight bloom
What you're doing is something the writers should have written in and given us instead of us filling in the blanks to make excuses, no matter how good they are.
This stuff should have been in the game as a refresher
And especially BEFORE these events
zealous basalt
Well
Imo and a really rough way to say is
Shut it
The campaign isn't done yet and we don't know if they will explain it later
midnight bloom
I'd be satisified if somewhere it is openly discussed in game that Sylvanas has some new method or abilities with her Valkyr resurrections being able to manipulate and bring those negative thoughts to the forefront