Warfront stuff https://i.imgur.com/IH1DtRQ.jpg
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#beta-ptr-spoilers
jade basalt
strange falcon
congrats wowhead bot 😛
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Yeah its a maghar team, alliance has a dark iron team
dense plover
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maghar and dark iron death knights
dense plover
definitely new
when you click her
"cant you see im trying to meditate!"
very angrily
tranquil steeple
oh yeah I recognize that name
dense plover
they added a mailbox
tranquil steeple
iirc people speculated it was a Worgen Monk... for some reason
uncut vault
thats been there
tranquil steeple
^
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Yes
tranquil steeple
yeah
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both sides got a new team for their allied race
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Also on live lol
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that is new
worse version of the blacksmith only one
lol, they programmed the wrong animation into the priest mobs in tiragarde
instead of casting smite, they punch smite people
jade basalt
The dark iron & mag'har team were already in last build
Found a big model, destroyed version of the bridge I showed the other day https://i.imgur.com/VFSjjg6.jpg
tranquil steeple
"We'll teach you our peaceful ways BY FORCE"
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theres also a morally grey ™ option in these alliance quests
can execute wounded horde soldiers if you want
dense plover
they moved lasan
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Yeah its in the new war campaign phase
will probably move back once the quests are completed
finally, some confirmation
on them being paladins
strange falcon
tranquil steeple
aaaa I want seals back
zealous basalt
Same
tranquil steeple
ugh... that Flash of Light animation, please no
dense plover
those two are from the book right?
also
has the inside of bwonsamdi's temple always had these?
tranquil steeple
I'd rather have the Beacon heal animation over that random light
tranquil steeple
it just looks like they took the new Light of Dawn animation and put it above the Flash of Light target at a slight angle (and alternating which side it'll fire down from)
dense plover
Jaina badly wounded... Mekkatorque on the brink of death... What went wrong, Genn?
The attack on Zuldazar was a success, but the Horde caught up to us as we retreated.
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Dont think thats new
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Yeah works more now that Jaina is a boss
hollow dock
shandris has her other ugly armor on
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certainly better than the leather mess she got for BfA
meager warren
It's not ugly enough
zealous basalt
It's just outdatdd
hollow dock
When can this one exist ;3;
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new lich king VA is such a downgrade
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it is 100% not Michael Mcconnohie
dense plover
we could tweet and ask
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like, Im happy hes getting a different voice but
not nearly as good, they should have started that last xpac
TFW night elf dark rangers are getting new pokes, but normal dark rangers arent
stuck with the generic nelf pokes like high elves still
meager warren
pokes? Wat
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meager warren
But... Pokes
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you dont know what poke jokes are?
meager warren
No, i'm sorry
zealous basalt
Like after the 7th time
meager warren
Oof
meager warren
The build missed you more
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Im praying they put out a little patch to fix the "must have bfa installed" bug
otherwise we're waiting another week to test
zealous basalt
night warrior?
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yeah, for the warfront
seems the war effort system is changing
no longer has all the quests up at once, just three or four
probably to rotate between warfronts
jade basalt
That set is so low rez
It looks straight out of TBC or something
May be unfinished and missing 3D parts.. optimistically
jade basalt
Yeah I meant the rest.
zealous basalt
How did you get the night warrior customization? Is it unlocked by default?
tulip sun
Oh my
jade basalt
The legs seem to be clearly missing 3D plates.
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complete the tyrande story
tulip sun
I missed so much stuff
zealous basalt
Did you do it already?
uncut vault
Nah, neither side can test the story yet
PTR accounts dont have BfA access
so you cant switch zones
zealous basalt
...den how do you have the night warrior thingy?
zealous basalt
o
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forsaken and nelf NPCS got added at the warfront table
zealous basalt
Or maybe to get our boi Gelvin back?
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wheres that at?
jade basalt
Broadcast text
tulip sun
Oh my o.o
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ya where
tulip sun
Telaamon goes on a suicide mission
jade basalt
At the top
tulip sun
and look in latest news
That is honestly
So sad
Telaamon's tet
text*
EHhhhh
I am so excited
So much to discuss
Lemme get a drink first
VALTROIS VOICE OVER
SHE IS DOING SOMETHING!
meager warren
Kekless
Useuseuse
tulip sun
BAine is at Zuldazar during the raid it seems
meager warren
Oof
tulip sun
and we disguise ourselves iwth the help of Valtrois to sneak into somewhere- a prison perhaps? Pretending we are taking Rexxar there
Perhaps that is when we break out Ashvane
meager warren
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) dungeon sex when
tulip sun
Cromush has a LOT of voce lines
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baine's continuing the trend of being hilariously inept after getting mad
meager warren
Nice
zealous basalt
Is cromush still alive?
zealous basalt
been a hell of time
meager warren
Pants
zealous basalt
next generation plants
jade basalt
Some more morally grey https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406282965438562314/497207970719989770/unknown.png
jade basalt
😛
zealous basalt
more like
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commander is a tauren too
dense plover
Is the commander a high mountain Tauren?
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normal tauren, for once
dense plover
Ok
tulip sun
Love this
This text is pretty good
Seems Nathanos and Malfurion are warfront commanders at least
They....totally kill off one of the only notable regular undead
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hes part of the warfront, Im pretty sure
meaning might not be dead
- hes forsaken
theyve got valkyr
tulip sun
Hm...
I hope so. I am not against loss, but he is truly one of the only named ones in a higher position of power.
jade basalt
There we go, the set looks much better with a proper beard, that's literally what it was designed for https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/411187738520322050/497212734836965376/unknown.png
proper compass
Is Tidalcore new to this patch? I didnt read anything about it prior
proper compass
Tidalcore
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probably, funny how it doesnt use sanguicells t hough
proper compass
Hydrocore of 8.1 probably with the breaths being the sanguicells
355+ Gear from WQ is juicy too
Id assume the scaling is all in place now since there is the 400+ gear
heavy cairn
where would you even get tidalcores from?
oh, I see
it's just to make cores obtained pre-8.1 useless for new recipes
similar to the currencies they did for legendary upgrades
they just replace the old drop with the new drop
proper compass
More models in the 8.1 Raid Viewer. You have most but some other ones in there
proper compass
Grong and Laminaria both have more models in there too
for their trash
or adds
heavy cairn
hooray
meager warren
hot
misty blaze
void elfs have sexiest transmog
unique crag
Is Silvermoon still broken?
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Yes
north storm
@tulip sun vore porn full hd
sudden oak
wut
unique crag
vore me daddy
dense plover
So there’s 4min of Toki VO. There seems to be a questline or two, and then a fuck load of WQs.
So this means tortollan WQs will finally see some variation
zealous basalt
Is it annoying?
dense plover
No
It’s Toki, the old man turtle
And it’s shorter length VO
Liadrin also has VO for WQs. Seems to be a mix of honorbound and invasions
So that’s nice
Mixing up some of the honorbound VO will be nice since it’s just been nathanos and talanji
willow frost
toki from hearthstone 🤔
willow frost
lmao
dense plover
The one who does the make Loh go stuff
There’s also some maghar VO for invasions and for WQs related to them. Seems to be a mix of horde and alliance
Oh. Might be regular orc
Cromush also has invasion VO
So that’s nice
This is interesting
Seems like this might be how they allow people to go to islands to explore instead of rush to kill stuff
zealous basalt
WAIT
dense plover
Find a map and use that to go on a different type of expedition
zealous basalt
REALLY?
dense plover
Maybe
That’s sort of what the text implies
Unless it’s mission table stuff
Which seems unlikely
There’s only two
One for ungol ruins and one for havenwood
They could also just be test items
jovial coral
Are there even any blood mages around that are blood elves anymore?
jovial coral
Hmmm
hollow dock
'Blood mages' are just normal mages.
hollow dock
Oh the neutral blood mages.
thems not aligned with the horde so they wouldn't be in SMC
hollow dock
There's also a gnome blood mage that does the same.
jovial coral
Ahhh I guess there's not that many. Cool
zealous basalt
Fellas
I have a question about the new rep system
Let's say I have one character that is exalted with everything in Alliance
If I move it to the horde, and make a new character in the Alliance, will that new character have the exalted reps from Faction?
jovial skiff
Yes, somebody's has used it to instantly get maghar after unlocking dark iron
Not sure how it works for other stuff tho
hollow dock
yes.
OK mak
and Sky
All alliance things cannot exist on the horde
and vice versa
When you faction change, they are automatically changed to match their faction counterparts
this includes mounts, achievements, reps and gear.
strange falcon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/343484923253882900/497386518373990400/Wo_WScrn_Shot_100418_133300.jpg This is a meme on it's own
turns out you can indeed lose warfronts
hollow dock
You thought you couldn't?
hollow dock
it is
hollow dock
but it can happen
jovial skiff
What's the loss condition? Let horde nova into the fort to kill the general guy?
hollow dock
OK if you wait
jovial skiff
If everybody plays prot warrior maybe they'd be bad enough for it
hollow dock
in the base right
and do not upgrade at all
and just let the horde flood their units in
or alliance right now
they will kill liadrin
sudden oak
something I noticed in the warfront is that you dont really kill the enemy commander they just kneel in defeat but since the big window of victory appears you cant really see it
jovial skiff
Well if they were dead you couldn't come back and fight them again next week!
zealous basalt
Talk about being masochist
sudden oak
you mean like the raid bosses we kill every week?
hollow dock
or the world bosses we kill every week.
jovial skiff
Not canon 🙂
hollow dock
or the dungeon bosses we constantly kill
sudden oak
^
jovial skiff
You know how many time the stormwind stockades have been cleared?
hollow dock
and nah I did see Etrigg's healthbar go to 0 and he does just 'die'
zealous basalt
Everyone are masochists
hollow dock
but all this is pretty moot
cuz
it's not canon yet
on who wins and who loses, who dies and who gets out
etc
jovial skiff
One time I was fighting orc boi and the tank pulled him out of the base at a quarter health and it reset him
sudden oak
I mean yeah their hp bars got to 0 but instead of falling into the floor they just kneel
sudden oak
weird
jovial skiff
People tried to vote kick the tanks because they didn't know who did it
zealous basalt
Alliance 🅱ias
sudden oak
puts tinfoil hat on maybe thats how we can guess who dies and who doesnt after all the warfront business
meager warren
no u
sudden oak
I mean if blizzard killed every "grandpa/grandma" character khadgar and katherine would die soon
unique crag
tbf i'm fine with him dying if Muradin dies for parity
sudden oak
and yes I know khadgar isnt that old but his body still is
zealous basalt
he is a young dadgar
zealous basalt
In comparison on how his looks
zealous basalt
He looked worse back then you kno
hollow dock
oh yea he did
misty blaze
i still say jaina is sexier than modera
meager warren
Jaina is sexier than 99% of people
misty blaze
she has the perfect curvy athleti8c type of a body thats why i love her so much
dense plover
they fixed the you dont have BfA bug
zealous basalt
They did?
zealous basalt
Does that mean belf heritage armor?
zealous basalt
Where is
dense plover
zealous basalt
Elune?
zealous basalt
It has changed
jovial skiff
Hmm
Looking forward to this when it's done
misty blaze
i wish ysera was still alive i miss her sexy model
zealous basalt
I think that night is elune thingies
dense plover
seems like this might be the instance version
and the invisible wall is the warfront barrier
after doing the quests, ill check the world version
zealous basalt
K
zealous basalt
It already got fire extinguised
worn sand
heavy cairn
cmon sylvanas, even stratholme is still burning, yet you let this fire extinguish
zealous basalt
I mean, it could mean that Elune herself extinguished the fires
heavy cairn
good point
zealous basalt
And that eclipse might mean
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Stratholme is still burning due to magic, sylvanas had no reason to keep it aflame
its already dead
zealous basalt
Can you kinda put it at the max resolution possible for desktop?
dense plover
that explains how the moon got dark
jovial skiff
Thing is
When trees burn they don't always die, and a tree of that size wild take some serious work to burn to the core.
So eventually druids should be able to restore it
But I think some people would be upset if it goes back to normal because it kind of defeats the purpose of burning it
dense plover
Raising Delaryn is a quest
zealous basalt
It would mean to represent hope
zealous basalt
Is the Tyrande quest there?
dense plover
both are resurrected
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Alliance quests currently cant be done, since they cant complete the Kings Rest dungeon quest
which is part of the war campaign, for some reason
jovial skiff
So alliance do get a reason to go to kings rest after all?
Cool I guess though a bit late
Maybe in 8.2 we'll get a reason to go to uldir
dense plover
tyrande kills one of the two valkyr
then we run away
but delaryn and sira are successfully raised
she looks badass
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I feel bad for these night warriors, went through all that pain, just to get killed by us
zealous basalt
So Horde flees?
dense plover
uhhhh - unimplemented cinematic
from tyrande and malf, yes
because they kill a valkyr
dense plover
2 yes
not sure if they are ingame or cinematic quality
we shall see
my guess is the 2nd one is an actual cinematic
but its also possible
that the first one is the cinematic at the end of the night warrior scenario
and this is how the horde sees it
zealous basalt
2 much spoiled by brozzard
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since both sides are there for the valkyr slaying it seems, thats probably a cinematic
zealous basalt
So night warrior and horde campaign for darkshore start at the same time?
dense plover
no
night warrior happens first
tyrande shows up as a night warrior
and the sky is dark
i think all of that is a part of the night warrior stuff
and theres a cinematic at the end
zealous basalt
Ah
dense plover
which is shared with the horde via a questline
huh
so invasions happen in 1/6 zones
and what happens is there is a set of WQs for each faction
if its an alliance zone, the WQs are about repelling the horde
for the horde those WQs are about attacking the alliance
dense plover
part 2 of the war campaign isnt in yet
zinc sandal
Is Tyrande's Ascension avilable in PTR?
dense plover
lasan does VO for some of the assault WQs
jovial skiff
Tbh I felt the expansion was a little weak at first but they seem to really be coming on strong in 8.1, a lot of cool stuff by the looks of it
Hope it plays as well as it sounds!
dense plover
eastpoint is under horde attack
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the incursion's actually really cool
dense plover
and greystone
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advances the story in the zone, and adds some nice teamups
proudmoore's claimed the ashvane foundry
draenei, gnomes, and worgen are working together a lot
dense plover
found an iron star
blackrock maghar and a goblin with a laughing skull mask prepping a star
horde is bringing in reinforcement
terse patrol
I wanna see the Alliance stuff in Zandalar
dense plover
theres a fucking zepplin
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just tiragarde atm
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they do lol
dense plover
uh
tulip sun
Oh my
dense plover
theyre fighting back
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alliance side has quests
tulip sun
There is Uraka!
dense plover
and the assault is about fighting off the horde
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both sides do the incursion
dense plover
and destroying the airship
tulip sun
And crap
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alliance take out the airship
hollow dock
Oh this is the incursion
tulip sun
Do we really use 2 valkyr?
hollow dock
I thought this was just outdoor story stuff
heavy cairn
yea they were both working on raising the undead
tulip sun
Brynja we know dies
heavy cairn
if we had only used 1 we wouldn't have been able to raise delaryn or sira
the other one had to help fend off malf and tyrande
tulip sun
@dense plover What is the name of the Valkyr that died
heavy cairn
brynja
I just did it
dense plover
all of these horde areas are WQs for the alliance
tulip sun
Signe is still alive?
heavy cairn
ye other one still alive
dense plover
theyre loading the iron star with motherfucking azerite
thats the best kind of death machine
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someone in another discord said it, maghar are the most valuable group the horde's recruited
their tech alone is amazing
combine it with azerite, woof
dense plover
pretty much every major questing hub is being assaulted
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boralus itself is too
goblins own the keep, basically
aboms and coldwitches own the civilian area i nthe south
dense plover
two zepps and the big ariship
jovial skiff
Is next expansion going to be WoW: Industrial Revolution?
hollow dock
So how do the incursions work lorewise?
Like who wins it or does it just fade away and end
terse patrol
idk, dark iron tech is cool @uncut vault
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horde kill a lot of Alliance and Proudmoore forces, but the Alliance takes out their airship
tulip sun
This is fun
uncut vault
didnt think the horde recruited the dark irons 😛
Tyrande uses DH anims, interesting
heres hoping other classes can use glaives soon
jovial skiff
Maybe global usage is just a traditional elf thing and that's why illidan chose them
Who else would really need them? Monk I guess could do it
But they'll just sit on the back all the time
heavy cairn
I don't see why any dual wield class can't use glaives
would be so cool to actually have some one handed weapons that sit on back that don't look like crap
zinc sandal
So to clarify...
zinc sandal
Tyrande becomes the Night Warrior and still gets her ass kicked?
heavy cairn
until malfurion saves her, correct.
zinc sandal
sigh
tulip sun
Kyra
ionic terrace
Oh, they fixed the BfA bug?
tulip sun
Thats ur
it*
Sorry
Honestly, I know they will die
But I wish they'd live and continue in the horde as character.
s
Even without sylvanas
ionic terrace
We will all die 
heavy cairn
val'kyrs die, then sylvanas dies, then helya takes over the horde
tulip sun
I like Val'kyrs
tulip sun
IT sounds like the world quests are getting a lot more fun
hollow dock
horde is the perfect tool to commit genocide.
tulip sun
and incursions
hollow dock
it's a match made in heaven
tulip sun
Is Zandalar the same way? Or is it just KUl'tiras that has everywhere under attac
attack*
hollow dock
Im assuming you didn't watch the reveal of incursions?...
tulip sun
It is not just incursions though
ionic terrace
We can only see Tiragarde in game right now, but it'll be like invasions
tulip sun
WQs have the same feel
ionic terrace
as in a cycle in the six zones
hollow dock
which is just the BFA invasions
ionic terrace
Mhm
tulip sun
The world quests above are a part of the incursions...hm.
hollow dock
Yes
tulip sun
I forgot that invasions had WQs.
hollow dock
like invasions
tulip sun
-ignore me-
Anyway
Still fun
I kind of want to go play it oin the ptr...
But eh
I really like that Lasan is so involved too
jovial skiff
So to unlock night warrior skins you do the event/quests as alliance and then go visit a barber on your nelf right? But do you have to play as a nelf to unlock them or can my human run them and my lvl 21 nelf still get the skin?
Also I assume dk and dh strictly just can't use them right?
uncut vault
it unlocks account wide, so any character can unlock it, then use it on a nelf
we dont know if demon hunters or death knights can use them yet
terse patrol
“uwu tyrande arrived moments too late i will join the people who murdered me i am forsaken”
@uncut vault
Weak.
I’m so tired of Blizzard’s weaksauce tiptoeing around the Forsaken and free will.
People don’t work like this unless they’re being mind controlled
jovial skiff
Me too
Why did the risen soldiers at lordaeron turn on their own kin?
During the bfa event
uncut vault
because those werent forsaken
those were mindless skeleton contructs sylvanas raised
terse patrol
They desperately want the Forsaken to seem mildly relatable.
zealous basalt
Free will in forsaken is a lie
jovial skiff
So they were just slaved undead then, alright
zealous basalt
And honestly
uncut vault
No, they were constructs
zealous basalt
Tyrande became Night Warrior and still got her ass handed?
uncut vault
no minds, just animated skeletons with direct commands
jovial skiff
Why do death knights get to return to their faction of choice but forsaken are locked horde?
zealous basalt
What's the point of becoming a Night Warrior as well
uncut vault
dark rangers have literally always done that
zealous basalt
Explain that to me Port
jovial skiff
Nah yeah I understand how undead work
Like ghouls and skellies and all that stuff
jovial skiff
Nice
tulip sun
It doesn't make her invinceable
zealous basalt
Akr said she got her ass handed
uncut vault
she doesnt whatsoever, we do
zealous basalt
So the power boost is noticeable?
uncut vault
Nathanos and the player get eclipsed, and her and malfurion gang up on us
I mean, Ive never seen Tyrande drop a moon on people and completely remove light from an area before
uncut vault
well, its both
area is eclipsed by Elune
and her affect turns the screen almost entirely black
zealous basalt
So it is
uncut vault
basically the effect from the KJ fight
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no voice lines yet
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there wasnt a build today
its the same stuff as last build, they just hotfixed a bug
zealous basalt
Oop
What about Belf Heritage?
Wait wait
Port
Didnt she use to make the fight area around us dark in the End Time?
uncut vault
Yeah, Wowhead did an article about the similarities
end time dungeon is basically this night warrior stuff
jovial skiff
So is the end times actually eventually going to all come true or was that alternate timeline stuff?
tulip sun
Who knows
zealous basalt
Got closed
Like those events faded away from the timeline when we killed Neltharion
tulip sun
Signe kneeling over her fallen sister....rip
zealous basalt
3 left to go
terse patrol
@uncut vault So did Nathanos get his ass beat, or did he just flee?
zealous basalt
Got his ass beat and flee methinks
tulip sun
It is kinda sad
terse patrol
How did Nathanos survive an encounter with both Tyrande and Malfurion?
tulip sun
Poor valkyr
tulip sun
I hate seeing people dir in general e.e
zealous basalt
Sylvanas could commit genocide on children
And kham would be okay with ot
Wait...
tulip sun
Sure...believe that.
zealous basalt
....You were okay with she burning the tree
tulip sun
I never said that, lol
zealous basalt
Where there could be lots of children
And you are still loyal to Her
Like even Rocket has some good traits because he is loyal to Horde
tulip sun
I don't need to be loyal. I am a human viewing the game
zealous basalt
Sure sure
tulip sun
My characters have their own reasons
zealous basalt
We just need to kill those 3 boys
We just need 3 more valkyr death
And Sylvanas will be defeated
tulip sun
The final ones will die reading sylvanas a last time I bet
Rezzin*
I wish they could be capable of leaving sylvie
zealous basalt
If they do she dies
zealous basalt
Ye
It's not like Sylvanas has bound them to her and if she leaves she OOF then
Them
tulip sun
I know why they wouldny
But
I like valkyr
And the horde having a few as unique npcs I like
static yarrow
sweet
tulip sun
So do Maghar appear outside that Uraka and the iron stars
zealous basalt
Oh them shoulderpads
terse patrol
they got the Garrosh walk now @uncut vault
uncut vault
well, Cromush is the main Horde dude for all the incursions
tulip sun
Ya
I could tell that from his voice over he would appear a lot
Uraka appears as a blackrock
Any others?
heavy cairn
there was a green orc in darkshore who was wearing some mag'har heritage items
not sure if that was discussed
tulip sun
Hm...
Well
I suppose Uraka is a win
Hopefully she becomes promineng
Love blackrock orcs
heavy cairn
the mag'har I leveled for the heritage armor is a blackrock orc :)
tulip sun
I am doing laughing skull, but blackrock are really nice
Uraka's model and outfit are just great though
uncut vault
I hope they use the darkshore tools more in future storytelling
dedicated storylines to unlock cosmetics and small little player choices
tulip sun
Yesss
I assume Nathanos offs Sira if you dont?
And I really hope if they do more warfronts
They do this story leading up to them
uncut vault
I havent tried not killing her, but yeah likely
since you tell Nathanos you wont do it
tulip sun
I was worried she would die so soon
I like unique npcs like this
Did I miss something though? What is with Delaryn looking at her hand.
zealous basalt
I mean in the end they all gone die
heavy cairn
delaryn is practicing some shadow magic I guess
she's looking at the magic as it forms in her hand
zealous basalt
So traitors Delaryn and Sira are going to be the commanders
I suppose Tyrande and Maiev will be ours
tulip sun
I mean, not confirmed, but I would say at least Sira
Malfurion and Nathan is are all but confirmed
Nathanos*
Nathanos' voice lines heavily imply him fighting malfurion as commander
uncut vault
doesnt take two, we raise a bunch of dark rangers with just brynja in the previous quests
its a matter of tyrande being there trying to block it
zealous basalt
Nathanos and Sira
tulip sun
Oh
tulip sun
So Brynja and the nameless one dies?
dense plover
ok
uncut vault
No, only Brynja dies
uncut vault
sira literally says she should have been there, and when shes risen says shes too late
dense plover
she just wasnt able to stop 2 valkyr, nathanos, and the player before they successfully raised the two night elves
dense plover
well i mean
tulip sun
Sira and Delaryn's last memories are amplified...a lot when raised.
dense plover
i think she means late like we killed sira
tulip sun
Sira about Tyrande not saving her
tulip sun
Delaryn about Elune not aiding them
dense plover
^
zealous basalt
Makes you enraged enough to turn to the other side
uncut vault
Sira was saying as we fight her that 'she' was coming to finish us, and her dying words are that she should have been there by then
then we start the ritual, and tyrande arrives
dense plover
yeah
so tyrande was too late to save her from death
but honk was applying tyrande was too late to stop nathanos from raising them
which is false
tulip sun
Just not able to
uncut vault
Oh, yeah no shes there during the ritual
dense plover
she just isnt powerful enough to stop nathanos and the player
uncut vault
shes why it takes so long
dense plover
yes
uncut vault
bunch of dark rangers
tulip sun
Just rangers?
dense plover
one of the quests is to go kill and raise a bunch as dark ranghers
and then we go and raise delaryn and sira (right after we kill sira)
zealous basalt
and people call it free will
dense plover
both sira and delaryn seem to be very stable for being forced into undeath
tulip sun
It is free will though. Kinda. From what we see, they are not forcing Delaryn and Sira to fight. THEY CHOOSE to. They choose to come with.
zealous basalt
What happens after it is bull crap
dense plover
compared to the two undead raised during the campaign
zealous basalt
Oh god kham
tulip sun
Their last moments, their last thoughts are amplified a lot.
zealous basalt
Could you just listen to you?
dense plover
its likely they are being controlled or something
zealous basalt
Honestly
dense plover
forsaken dont gain control of their mental faculties that fast
like with raising amalia stone
zealous basalt
Stop being so nice for a bad state
tulip sun
I am just making an explanation from everything we know.
zealous basalt
You are seem to forget
dense plover
there are two possible explanations
tulip sun
Ok?
uncut vault
they are not mind controlled
zealous basalt
And tell me, are you killing them because they want?
uncut vault
brynja explicitly says that she needs willing souls to raise
tulip sun
Them fighting alongside us is not forced.
zealous basalt
No, if they fight you back it's not willing
zealous basalt
What else they can do?
tulip sun
They could just give up and die again
zealous basalt
But would they allow them?
tulip sun
We can't know that can we if it did not happen?
zealous basalt
All what the night elves have in their minds
tulip sun
But they willingly join the Horde.
zealous basalt
Are "elune and the alliance forsaken us"
tulip sun
Their last emotions are seemingly amplified.
zealous basalt
So when they amplify that
tulip sun
Their last emotions being Tyrande failed to save me, and Elune abandoned us.
zealous basalt
Obviously they want revente
And that is a fake sensation of free will amplified by rage
tulip sun
I feel like your ignoring my explanation.
zealous basalt
I'm not
zealous basalt
I find it bullshitting like how Blizzard forcefully wants us to love undead
We need the Scarlet Crusade back
tulip sun
This is very interesting indeed.
dense plover
you dont have to kill sira
zealous basalt
"Free will" isnt that an interesting topic, peach?
dense plover
they even give you a choice
zealous basalt
And in the end she still dies to be raised
dense plover
course nathanos kills her if you dont
yeah, and?
if you dont want to play horde, dont
zealous basalt
Choices dont matter if the result is the same
dense plover
horde are currently ruled by a warchief who is undead
tulip sun
I hope that the night elves dark rangers stay as horde. Diversify the forsaken troops.
zealous basalt
So stop acting like if it's a good thing
dense plover
its impossible to make them matter
tulip sun
Makore, deal with it. Seriously, at least you can decide not to take part in killing o fSira
dense plover
i enjoy raising undead
tulip sun
You get to kill a dark ranger and forsaken alongside Saurfang
Gotta experience both sides.
zealous basalt
I will enjoy getting rid of all undead
dense plover
just because you dont like something, doesnt mean no one does
then go play alliance
thats literally their faction story
tulip sun
I don't like killing Lyana, but it is part of the story, and I don't got a choice.
dense plover
for like, 3 expansions
zealous basalt
News for you, creeper head, I do play Alliance
tulip sun
So I will play through it and experience it
dense plover
whats with the name calling
zealous basalt
...
dense plover
why are you being such a jerk?
zealous basalt
Your profile pic
dense plover
its a slime
zealous basalt
Is q creeper head
dense plover
its not a creeper
and still
its clearly intended as an insult
you need to take a break
youre coming off as very aggressive
zealous basalt
Cant take a break with the undead acting like if the world belongs to them
dense plover
i mean
thats literally sylvanas' bit
kill the alliance
or at least make sure they fuck off from kalimdor
tulip sun
It is the forsaken's time to shine
dense plover
^
jovial skiff
Sylvanas is dumb and mean and I like the writing of it right now
dense plover
they havent had much story since Wrath
jovial skiff
Personally I think the ebin blade should take her out as a precautionary measure
zealous basalt
I hope it just stays in BfA and after that they all die along her leader
tulip sun
You know that won't happen
zealous basalt
Its a surprise that either the Ebon Blade or the Argent Crusade doesnt act
zealous basalt
Silver Hand actually
tulip sun
A lot of the ebon blade who are former horde found shelter with Sylvanas
dense plover
ebon blade is made of undead
tulip sun
They wouldn't give two shits
jovial skiff
Where's the scarlet at when you need em?
uncut vault
Argent Crusade is part of the silver hand now, ebon blade doesnt really care and arent doing much better than her
tulip sun
They live on killing
dense plover
can you kill what doesnt live?
tulip sun
We see death knights leading scouts and outposts