then the universe
#beta-ptr-spoilers
zealous basalt
zealous basalt
Now it seems clearer now
hollow dock
Bleh.
dense plover
All I know is everything was fine until Yrel was lightforged and brainwashed
zealous basalt
ty peach, finally someone explained
zealous basalt
She is blind by light that means
dense plover
Only the one future she has been shown
Exactly
She is blinded by the brilliance of the light
zealous basalt
Like Turalyon
dense plover
All her wrong doings justified by it
Even if they shouldn’t be
Exactly like turalyon
zealous basalt
but without the eyes being opened
dense plover
It shows that what happened with xera isn’t a one off
This is the true form of the naaru
Void lords are beings of pure chaos
Naaru are beings of pure order
Both are untenable for creatures of free will
A mixture is needed
It’s what created the great dark beyond in the first place
Life in Warcraft is a balance of order and chaos
Too much in either direction will seem evil from the opposing viewpoint because in many ways it is
zealous basalt
Seems legit
dense plover
The light and void are both neutral
zealous basalt
For the record I knew Yrel wasn't evil but blind
dense plover
But to us, creatures of both, they are evil when in their purest forms
It wasn’t character assassination. It was story consistency
It was just conveyed poorly
hollow dock
OK so it was War of Thorns 2.0
dense plover
If it had been another hour or two of questing and maybe with a nice cinematic and some voice acting, it really would’ve reinforced the concept
No
War of thorns is different
This was Xera 2.0
I am my scars, we must make our own destiny, etc
hollow dock
'It wasn't bad but because it was poorly confirmed in the one medium that it's actually told in we think its bad'
that's what I meant Peach
zealous basalt
He meant as poor executed
hollow dock
war of thorns was very poorly done in game
dense plover
Yes
dense plover
Vs the dark iron recruitment which is very well done
zealous basalt
WoD 3.1
dense plover
And even ties in to the mother lode
And how they got their azerite refining method
It actually explains story
Instead of adding more and doing a poor job executing it
manic horizon
Horde bias, though.
dense plover
I don’t think we will have those problems with the next two allied races
There is no bias there
manic horizon
I know.
dense plover
Oh you were joking
hollow dock
the bias is that the horde get a race they've long wanted.
zealous basalt
ur mum Dabs
dense plover
So what, as an alliance player, do you want as a race Des?
hollow dock
You already know that
dense plover
Obviously not sneks
hollow dock
it hasn't changed
dense plover
Everyone knows that
zealous basalt
that is not a high elf
manic horizon
I think they're probably going to slow down on the allied races after Zandalari and Kul Tirans.
hollow dock
Literally just high elves. if they're willing to poorly explain in a story for their all time asked for race, why can't they do it for the alliance?
dense plover
There have to be a few alliance ones that aren’t high elves or sethrakk
zealous basalt
Pandaria races
dense plover
There has to be something you can think of
zealous basalt
jinyu
hollow dock
Nothing. there's nothing left
dense plover
That’s a problem
hollow dock
there's no other wants we want
zealous basalt
thing is
dense plover
See, you are so single minded, that you will never be satisfied
zealous basalt
players doesnt know what the fuck they want
zealous basalt
only if they give you helves tho
hollow dock
^
dense plover
That’s my point
If they added those and you can’t come up with anything else
Then how do we keep getting allied races?
zealous basalt
The last time they did a new race they got memed af
manic horizon
Why do we need a million allied races?
hollow dock
^ that's anotehr good point
zealous basalt
just give us 7
dense plover
Customization
hollow dock
For which races tho
dense plover
And role play
Horde could get taunka, yaungol, forest trolls, frost trolls,
not done
hollow dock
And all the alliance ones either got taken by the horde
zealous basalt
There arent a lot of humanoid races for Alliance tbh
hollow dock
or were pulled out of thin air
dense plover
Horde didn’t take any alliance races
hollow dock
NIGHTBORNE
zealous basalt
the mecha gnomes
dense plover
Nightborne made sense for horde
hollow dock
HI DIFFERENT NIGHT ELVES
dense plover
They are literally purple blood elves
hollow dock
they do
BUT
sucks for any night elves don't it
that may want to still be anight elf, but different
dense plover
They were cowards and addicts
manic horizon
The Nightborne weren't going to join The Alliance. look at how Tyrande treated them.
dense plover
The night elves have no reason to like them
They are everything they hate about old elves society
hollow dock
Tyrande treating them poorly did not force Thalryssa into the horde
stop it with that
it's seriously triggering
dense plover
It’s not just that
tulip sun
It is the alliance didn't keep ties
dense plover
They have more in common with blood elves
zealous basalt
Well, tbh Alliance elves were kinda rude to them
hollow dock
You don't know if it was them willingly not helping
or
if the horde didn't allow it
dense plover
They share a similar societal structure, architecture and history
They were both races of addicted mages
Whose leaders made bad choices
And put them in precarious positions
And now they want a second chance
hollow dock
Except that the whole point of the nightborne beign saved by us was that they weren't addicted anymore
tulip sun
Thalyssra says she hoped to be friends with kaldorei. But Elune's wisdom apparently didn't see that. Makes me think it was their choice
hollow dock
so they aren't addicted mages
zealous basalt
they are still murdering mana chuggers
manic horizon
Not being addicted anymore doesn't mean addiction isn't part of your past.
hollow dock
they aren't mak
dense plover
What zac said
hollow dock
to say they ARE addicted mages is incorrect however
dense plover
They share a similar history Des
dense plover
They have much more in common with blood elves
hollow dock
Great for you Kham
hollow dock
doesn't change the fact that night elf allied race is horde
hollow dock
night elf.
tulip sun
And blood elf one is alliance?
hollow dock
They are night elves
dense plover
How are they night elves but blood elves aren’t?
tulip sun
No one is suggesting they must align with one race.
dense plover
If you say skin color
tulip sun
Or that every race will get one
dense plover
I swear to god
hollow dock
NIGHTBORNE ARE LITERALLY FUCKING NIGHT ELVES
AS A RACE
THEY ARE NIGHTWELL ADDICTED NIGHT ELVES
how is that unseeing to you all
just like the void elves are just british blood elves
manic horizon
And Void Elves are literally Blood Elves.
dense plover
Blood elves are light well addicted night elves
zealous basalt
And blood elves were fel addited mutated night elves
dense plover
^
dense plover
What?
zealous basalt
they were
hollow dock
they aren't night elves
dense plover
Do you not know the history?
hollow dock
they physically changed
dense plover
So did fucking nightborne
tulip sun
Nightborne are completely different culturally
zealous basalt
both are mutations of night elves
dense plover
The nightborne are high elves culturally
dense plover
Just like blood elves
hollow dock
is apart of night elf society
tulip sun
The night elves changed since the war of the ancients. Barely anything is the same
zealous basalt
Both are smug
dense plover
Night elves now have nothing in common culturally with the nightborne
hollow dock
H I G H B O U R N E
dense plover
Night elves are anti-arcane druids
tulip sun
Highborne is not most of the night elves e.e
manic horizon
And most of the Highborne went off to Eastern Kingdoms and became Blood Elves.
tulip sun
Stop acting like it is
dense plover
Blood elves are descended from high borne too Des
hollow dock
The Highborne are still night elves
zealous basalt
Most of the Highborne mutated to High elves
dense plover
So are nightborne
hollow dock
NIGHTBORNE ARNE'T
hollow dock
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE
zealous basalt
still counts
hollow dock
Thalryssa was there
at the shields raising
elisande
was there
at the shields raising
they are still the highborne
zealous basalt
As normal elves
zealous basalt
But even she said that they suffered changes
dense plover
The blood elves (or sin'dorei, "children of the blood" in Thalassian — pronounced [ˈsiːndɔraɪ], [siːnˈdɔraɪ] or [siːndɔreɪ]) are high elves who changed their name after the Scourge invasion of Quel'Thalas.[4]
hollow dock
they are literally the highborne from the war of teh ancients
dense plover
There are blood elves who remember the well of eternity
hollow dock
the HIGHBORNE ARE STILL NGIHT ELVES
dense plover
Who fought in the war of the ancient
dense plover
They were highborne
tulip sun
Bros. Your argui mg Nightborne are too much like night elves?
tulip sun
Oh.
hollow dock
they are the night elf extra customizations
tulip sun
Well
hollow dock
thrown onto the other faction
tulip sun
Ya, they are based off them I suppose
dense plover
Ten thousand years ago, during the reign of the night elf Queen Azshara, there was an elite magic-using sect known as the Highborne, who dabbled in magics that many other elves considered heretical by drawing upon the power of the Well of Eternity. Fiercely loyal to their queen, the Highborne opened a number of portals under her direction that brought forth the Burning Legion, triggering the War of the Ancients. Some time after the Great Sundering, most of the surviving Highborne were exiled from Kalimdor and settled in the eastern continent, founding the kingdom of Quel'Thalas. They became known as high elves. During this time, they created the Sunwell, and switched to a diurnal waking cycle. Their purple skin eventually faded to a pale peach color, like that of some humans and dwarves. Some sources imply this was a near-instantaneous transformation that occurred during the Sunwell's creation.[11]
zealous basalt
Just like void elves are blood elf allied race?
hollow dock
You dodged out of what I just asked
tulip sun
There is nothing saying each race gets an allied race
dense plover
It’s literally blood elves 2.0
tulip sun
So this is pointless
hollow dock
Name a single living blood elf that fought at the well of eternity.
zealous basalt
Let me recap kham
hollow dock
The Nightborne are the highborne customizations we wanted. they went horde. The void elves were an unwanted band-aid to a request from Vanilla for the alliance
that's the point I wanted to make.
hollow dock
Very different
but not drastic
cancel each otehr
they look slightly different due to the nightwell
yes this is true
tulip sun
They wouldn't be able to be a skin or nelves
hollow dock
HOWEVER
zealous basalt
In short, Des is getting triggered/pissed because we keep saying that Nightborne are altered night elves, and because we keep saying that Nightborne and Blood elves have lots of similarities in terms of culture, which is a reason of why they joined Horde
tulip sun
Des
zealous basalt
There are Highborne skins tho
tulip sun
Deep breaths
zealous basalt
And that's bad for RP
dense plover
They live shorter lives
But their skin changed during their life times
Dathremar
First sunstrider King
And first whose skin changed color
Using the vial the Highborne had stolen, Dath'Remar created the Sunwell, a fountain of magical energy that, while weaker than the original, Dath'Remar claimed would one day become stronger than its predecessor. That day, the high elven race was born, the energies of the great well immediately altering the elves' appearance from their night elven forebears.
It’s the exact same shit as the nightborne
They were changed by their magic
But they are both highbourne
Most night elves are not highbourne
Prior to cataclysm they weren’t pretty much at all
Then they allowed the mages, the highbourne
To rejoin them
zealous basalt
Hmph I still think that Highborne rpers are really bad for soul
dense plover
The highbourne has purple skin
High elves, before being blood elves, didn’t
Because of their well
But they did prior to that
hollow dock
let me ask you guys this
dense plover
The same way that the nightbourne went from purple skinned highbourne to arcane purple skin
hollow dock
Do you think that the Kul Tirans are extra customization options for Humans?
Zandalari for the trolls
dense plover
Not anymore than gilneans are
hollow dock
So then
hollow dock
none of the allied races are what you've described what an allied race should be.
Extra customizations
zealous basalt
Yes, but we aren't the ones that decide what is an allied race and what is not tho
dense plover
A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square
hollow dock
as you clearly didn't answer truthfully before on this same question
Why should we have a million different alleid races?
one ofyour reasons was customization
dense plover
We should have as many as customization and RP define. I’m not against high elves personally. I just don’t see more elves happening right his moment
hollow dock
and that's fine to say
zealous basalt
To give one Core race a different class that they use?
dense plover
I would fully support assuming they can get enough visual distance from blood elves some how
hollow dock
But then
You're not answering the question.
or at least
you're not answering it fully.
hollow dock
cuz you just said the Kul tirans aren't some more customizations
dense plover
Because allied races should not be the exact same race on two different factions. They can absolutely be similar
zealous basalt
or 14
dense plover
They are more customization and RP, just like all allied races. But they are different enough from base humans to warrant being an allied race
Same with gilneans/worgens
dense plover
Yes. Allied races don’t mean they can’t function as an independent race
zealous basalt
The difference between Kul Tirans and SW Humans are the classes that they use
dense plover
Blizzard said so
hollow dock
Nightborne are different enough from the night elves
zealous basalt
And the culture too
hollow dock
but similar enough TO THE OTHER PART OF THEIR SOCIETY to be an allied race
dense plover
They are not similar to night elves society
hollow dock
Facedesk
dense plover
Allied races are races you recruit
hollow dock
DO YOU ALL REALIZE THE HIGHBORNE AND NIGHT ELVES ARE THE SAME RACE
dense plover
It has nothing to do with similarity
hollow dock
DO YOU ALL COMPREHEND THIS
dense plover
Uh no they are t
dense plover
The highbourne were kicked out
meager warren
just like blood elves and high elves are the same race?
Or jungle trolls and zandalari trolls are the same race?
dense plover
The Highborne soon grew bold in defying the new laws against arcane magic. They would not bow to the hysterical fears of the lower-caste majority. The Highborne felt they had taken all the necessary precautions by resolving to be more cautious than their predecessors. After all, the Highborne had no desire to bring about another Sundering. Rather than execute the Highborne, the rest of the night elves sentenced them to exile after they had unleashed a terrible magical storm over Ashenvale. The Highborne were thoroughly exasperated by what they saw as a foolish overreaction against sorcery. They were therefore not unhappy at the prospect of exile; on the contrary, they looked forward to it. Thinking ahead, they contrived to steal one of the magical vials that had been confiscated from Illidan.[9]
dense plover
Blood elves are just as related to the highborne as nightborne dude
dense plover
I don’t see how this is complicated
They are all related to the same elves from the well of eternity
zealous basalt
Which are related to dark trolls in the end
dense plover
Night elves are the low caste elves
Who exiled the highbourne
Most of them went on to be high elves
Some of which split off into modern high elves
While the majority became blood elves
dense plover
Ngirhbourne are the highbourne that bubbles themselves into the city
They share the same blood history as blood elves
zealous basalt
Apparently mutation doesnt count for Des
dense plover
They just live longer because of their magic
zealous basalt
because yes, Nightborne mutated heavily from Night elves
dense plover
Blood elves, night elves, and nightbourne all have the same origin
They just split off from the pack at different points in history
Nightbourne split off when the legion arrived
zealous basalt
Rather than fight along
dense plover
Blood elves after a few thousand years as highbourne then as high elves, then blood elves
zealous basalt
And now void elves
dense plover
Night elves were the low caste who exiled the highbourne, and eventually came to be nature focused thanks to the teachings of malfurion
They all share the same history
Blood elves live less than the other two because of their dependence on magic
zealous basalt
I think a better term is share the same roots
dense plover
And without the night well, nightbourne likely share that lifespan
Now they only live a couple thousand years or so
Same as blood elves
Probably
They are both highbourne
While night elves are not highbourne
They only recently accepted any banished casters back in to their midsts
Prior to cataclysm they were lowborn
The lower caste trapped in the shadows of the city
dense plover
That’s the actual term
zealous basalt
I realize they were stupid enough to put a horny queen as lead but
everyone makes mistakes
dense plover
Sort of
It’s the term highbourne used for the low caste
But still, that’s my point
The night elves are not culturally highbourne
They banished them
Only recently have they rejoined the@
The nightborne don’t know of this banishment, but they certainly had contempt for the lower caste 10k years ago
So that’s probably part of not joining tyrande
Not to mention I’m sure the blood elves has told the history of how the night elves banished the highbourne
I’m pretty sure that would sit pretty poorly with thalyssra considering how her city banaished people
zealous basalt
Both share more similarities
dense plover
Yep
dense plover
They are culturally and traditionally more similar than they are to both elves
Even if they are genetically closed to night elves
zealous basalt
Why is what Des doesn't seem to understand
dense plover
An allied race is about earning their trust, and whoever does that is the side they appear on. People want sethrakk to go alliance, but they help both factions equally. It’s a similar thing to the nightbourne but it will go in the opposite direction
The sethrakk have more in common with the alliance
Even though the horde helped resurrect their loa
dense plover
Yep
zealous basalt
In the end is feeling more confortable
Imagine in a RP way how a Shaldorei would feel in Alliance
And a Void elf in Horde
It wont really work for them
dense plover
Pretty much
Just because they are more similar, doesn’t mean they should be on the same faction
It’s about cultural and societal similarities
Heck, we might not even get sethrakk
Especially since they don’t currently have a faction associated with them
zealous basalt
It will depend on the flow of patches
dense plover
I wish tortollan was an option. Even if they could only wear chest pieces, helmets, gloves, boots and belts
Turtles = best race
hollow dock
well shame on me for wanting what the allied race promises: More customizations and options based on the core races.
Thank you both for showing me the light in how I was wrong
zealous basalt
They never promised for the same faction, did they?
And they did gave us the promised customization and options based on core races. But not how would you like it, and that's different
jovial skiff
Does every new allied race have piercing and tattoo options? Are we entering the promised age of wowpunk?
tulip sun
They are one of the most unique ARs thus far
leaden garden
What are we raging about now? I'm back. Had to go to some BS seminar for work
jovial skiff
Too many elves! >:^(
tulip sun
Uh...no
leaden garden
Agreed, too many
leaden garden
^
zealous basalt
That was uncalled
hollow dock
She tried to make me out to being a hypocrit.
leaden garden
That doesn't warrant personal insults my dude
zealous basalt
I will reserve my comments about that but It is uncalled
leaden garden
...
hollow dock
I asked them to not get into the argument as they clearly do not understand it
zealous basalt
Just quit it
hollow dock
the complaints were that allied races were for extra customisations for the core races that they couldn't add into the character creation screen.
Like
Fatter models
skinnier models
etc.
and they placed the night elf one on the horde.
and the blood elf one on the alliance
Where in there does night elves getting different eyes fit? @tulip sun
and further in, the argument became about the Highborne, which use the nightborne model as, like Azshara herself, they'd be turned and changed drastically byt he few thousand years they sat at the Well of Eternity.
but were still Kaldorei.
hollow dock
Indeed. Want to know why?
They never made a unique model for the highborne.
until they made the Nightborne model and started to splice it onto Highborne.
Normal Highborne.
tulip sun
Do we actually see this models ingamr
tulip sun
I saw one in the database, not ingame.
From what I saw it is only one npc
That has yet to be added
Anyway...
I hope this Uraka becomes a prominent horde player going forward. I really like Blackrock.
zealous basalt
Is she apprentice of the goblin?
hollow dock
Horde don't deserve anything good until they stand up to Sylvanas
tulip sun
I don't think she is
The dialogue makes me feel like she is a prominent engineer showing the horde engineers or someone their iron stars and if they want them for war
Which the goblin does
hollow dock
so what don't you think she is
tulip sun
Des, just because of the story doesn't mean you have to want us to get nothing.
hollow dock
I uh. Didn't quite get the sentence there.
it doesn't mean I have to want you to get nothing? Who said I had to not want you to?
zealous basalt
He is the creator of the Iron stars after all
hollow dock
Ah alright.
hollow dock
Blackfuse didn't have any apprentices.
zealous basalt
So they learned just from scrapping and remaking?
hollow dock
He just had the plans pass on tot he Blackfuse company and that company went with garrosh.
and when Garrosh went to AU Draenor,
he took the Blackfuse goblins with em
tulip sun
Des my point was it was kind of rude to say we deserve nothing simply for the story direction
hollow dock
and thus the Iron Stars
you uh. Don't though? I am sorry for believing a bunch of people who stand aside while their leader commits genocide don't deserve nothin.
leaden garden
It's a game, Des. It's a game
tulip sun
We can't control the story dude. Your partying much saying more than half the playerbase doesn't deserve anything new.
tulip sun
Pretty*
hollow dock
How does that reflect onto the horde players?
You're hoping a story element that is good for the horde to happen
I am doing the opposite
and Im in the wrong
????????????
leaden garden
Because you're generalizing "The Horde" which includes Horde players
hollow dock
So did Kham
zealous basalt
If the coat suits you
jovial skiff
I support the sylvanas genocide, the less elves the better!
leaden garden
lol
jovial skiff
Ignore my elf characters please
hollow dock
I hope this Uraka becomes a prominent horde player going forward. I really like Blackrock.
The original comment.
So please. Tell me again how I am wrong for not wanting story elements happen to the faction that's sitting aside while they go commit genocide.
jovial skiff
You mean the faction that helps commit genocide
zealous basalt
Oof
leaden garden
You're wrong for wanting one side of the coin to have nothing of interest happen to it until writers change their story-direction which is completely out of the hands of players who still want to see interesting things happen on their side of the fence
zealous basalt
But that's what Kham said
tulip sun
...
jovial skiff
Players should maybe
At least get approximately equal content
hollow dock
Yea. Players should.
tulip sun
The horde getting story content is the horde players....and your asking for them not too.
hollow dock
and I hope nothing good happens for the horde faction,. Which is in the game.
zealous basalt
He is saying in his opinion
hollow dock
It's just a game man. No need to get so offended over it.
zealous basalt
Fuck the horde
jovial skiff
Aight
Give the horde a reward and punishment at the same time
New Allied race yeah!!
But is vulpera
hollow dock
Which is what you guys told me.
hollow dock
so maybe, just maybe. Take your own advice.
zealous basalt
Because Bias
It's all about Bias here
You have your own bias
We have our own bias
Maybe I want the Horde to go die in a hole licking Sylvanas' toes
hollow dock
Oh but Kham, that's unfair to the players
jovial skiff
Listen I'll give the horde credit for like a couple cool things
1:orcs drinking demon blood is metal as fuck even if it's a bad idea
2: cute girls
tulip sun
But that is not what this says
hollow dock
hoping tha tthe horde dies
zealous basalt
And maybe you want Alliance being in a flower field with anduin
tulip sun
"So please. Tell me again how I am wrong for not wanting story elements happen to the faction that's sitting aside while they go commit genocide."
tulip sun
Not wanting story elements
zealous basalt
He wants more horde waifus
hollow dock
^ 100%
zealous basalt
I want less Alliance waifus and more dragon waifus
leaden garden
Des basically only wants character/story progression on the alliance and horde player scan go die in a hole. 👍
leaden garden
Oh I know
hollow dock
I see you are new and were unaware of that fact
leaden garden
You've said several times you're a racist
hollow dock
Absolutely
zealous basalt
He is an elf
hollow dock
Tis a game. I can do as I please.
zealous basalt
Even I hate elves
tulip sun
I just thought it was weird you don't want story for the hordeside.
hollow dock
I want the horde to be systematically wiped out from all of existence
tulip sun
That can't happen without horde story
hollow dock
Have always wanted it. since about wrath.
when I read rise of the horde
Alliance wipes em all out. Done and done. horde players play as the alliance.
zealous basalt
Des is acting as Ion wants us to act tho
jovial skiff
I'm now as much of a wow racist tbh
Don't get me started on the alder scrolls though
hollow dock
Oh Im just heavily factionist.
and racist towards orcs
filthy greenskins the lot of them
jovial skiff
Normal orcs are scum
Orc girls are meh in game
Maghar are cute!
terse patrol
when will Tohru join the Alliance
tulip sun
don't care if he acts like that. But not wanting story content for the other faction at all is a bit much. But anyway, gotta go to work
hollow dock
so wait
wanting the horde to be wiped out
and removed from the game
is A-OK
but wanting the story content to stop is a step to far?
jovial skiff
I'd like to see some more interesting things done with the differences in the factions, the new raid is a step in the right direction. I'd like to see more racial/factional flavor for classes even if it's just aesthetic/in text
hollow dock
I'd personally want to do what SWTOR did. Put the factions onto the backburner, but rather than focus the story on us again, focus the story on the races themselves.
How do the night elves treat the tauren now that they've had a good what. 8 or 10 years fighting each other?
How have the orcs and humans as a whole started to view each other
jovial skiff
Could be cool? I don't know how interesting or gripping racial stories would be for me aside from humans
hollow dock
Make us care about the races in more places than just the books ya know?
leaden garden
I also think it's hilarious that, after back-to-back doomsday events and fighting together, now that there's a brief respite, its right back to Racism Wars!
jovial skiff
How do knights of the ebin blade feel about it all?
Try and stay disconnected or have they become biased?
leaden garden
Like... Especially as a Paladin. I don't like having to fight Liadrin, like wtf
She was my homie/WQ buddy in Legion
I know class-hall stuff is fuzzy, but dadgum
hollow dock
"Whelp thanks for the help Darius. Real great work. KILL YA NEXT WEEK!" - Some orc warrior leader who went off to orgrimmar.
jovial skiff
Yeah, it's weird for characters to have massive loyalty to their class halls and the comrades they made in them and then suddenly just throw it away
jovial skiff
Are the orders still active? What do they do now? Just continue hunting demons or have they joined the new war?
hollow dock
where you have these random warriors meet each other
The orders are disbanded. that's from blizz
Except for really special things like the druid and paladin orders
jovial skiff
All of them just disbanded? No way
hollow dock
cuz their bases are ya know.
built from the ashes of others
Like the Order of the Silver Hand exists, but because the Crusade was mashed into it
leaden garden
I thought Blizz said the class-hall stuff was un-canon?
leaden garden
Idr, I just recall someone tlaking about it in guild chat forever ago
Never went to verif
verify*
hollow dock
Well so far, no they are all canon
they all did happen
Which makes it even weirder
and blizz just kinda ignores it
jovial skiff
I can understand some of them disbanding like the illidari
hollow dock
Why do people keep thinking that :x
jovial skiff
Like, they hunted the demons. They won, sure demons still exist but eventually they'll collapse with no real leadership left and probably just wipe each other out
hollow dock
the Ebon Blade never disbanded even whent he Lich King was killed. Why would the Illidari disband? Demons are still a massive threat in the galaxy and with no titans or Burning Legion to control them, they'd go rampant.
demons are forever immortal.
unless they die int he nether
it's a war that goes on without end. The demon threat will always exist
and part of my headcanonis that blizz is treating it like 343 treated the Covenant after Halo 3.
jovial skiff
Oh no
hollow dock
Where a bunch of sects just spring up all claiming to be the same thing.
jovial skiff
Ah, like the empire in Star Wars before Disney
hollow dock
Yea
jovial skiff
Or Rome in real life
hollow dock
Yea.
With no real leadership to unite them, they all start making their own mini-factions from the remnants
Like some of the dreadlords have their own 'Burning legion', some high tier Eredar have their own, A really strong Pitlord has his own
etc
leaden garden
Technically speaking, purely from a lore standpoint, wouldn't all the "class halls" be considered "Neutral factions"
jovial skiff
Dread lords are cool
hollow dock
ye
leaden garden
Maybe factions is the wrong word, but idk what else to use
jovial skiff
They could, but I can see some having a bias
hollow dock
they're all without the alliance and horde intervention. Made specifically to circumvent the two larger factions
jovial skiff
Maybe not strong enough to straight up join but I could see bias for sure
leaden garden
There's like a dozen instances I've seen in the story where I get "oh noes! Im trappeded!" moment
And some NPC comes outta nowhere and rescues me
jovial skiff
Every xpac replaces your old gear with a green but this time it was a lot worse
Like, you had so much apparent authority and importance
leaden garden
Like... In Legion when shit like that happened I broke out cause I'm the muthuhfucking HIGHLORD AND YOU WANNA SQUARE UP
jovial skiff
Only for it to be "yeah you're a lackey of the govt again get back to it chop chop go stab those orcs"
hollow dock
Your character doesn't look scared.
They just raise up their artifact ready to fight
leaden garden
Oh a wave of demons? Okay WAKE OF ASHES yer all stunned and 3 of you are ash, eat a dick
hollow dock
I miss that.
jovial skiff
I did that on aegis at lvl 12 with uldir gear actually and was sure I could have taken him
Well a mix of mythic+ with some uldir gear
jovial skiff
So am I
I think because I boosted my warrior to 110 it messed up the quests though
Or I don't know where to start them at maybe
leaden garden
Yeah
But I definitely don't feel it anymore lol
Now if I had the option of rolling up to the Battle of Lordaeron with a contingent of armed Silver Hand Knights ready to whoop-ass that'd be diffferent
jovial skiff
See that brings me to the faction bias
No paladin should be okay with what sylvanas did there
And no Druid should have been ok with the burning of teldrassil
leaden garden
Yerp
Several GLARING plotholes is that the druids and paladins of the Horde should be rioting
And the tauren should be rioting afte rshe raised a bunch of tauren soldiers that SHE KILLED
jovial skiff
Warriors though would be having a great time on either side
And hunters I feel like is such a non war focused thing. Rogues are rogueish. Roguelike? Whatever
I think I'd really like to see some kind of expansion of the class Hal's that adds some of their content to much lower level ranges
The class focused stuff is generally really cool to me
The issue with this idea is how many of them revolve around legion
leaden garden
I felt like they wasted a great opportunity for warriors
I thought the Warrior class hall would be like a joint war camp and you would be the general who led the armies of both Horde and Alliance in a war-effort against the legion
jovial skiff
Could have been cool
But I guess we had the armies of legionfall or something huh?
heavy cairn
Armies of legion fall was basically twelve generals rather than just one
Each order hall commander had an equal role in leading it
Lol I wonder what will happen to legion leveling when they add a new class
leaden garden
lmao
hollow dock
the nightmare
leaden garden
Oh God... yeah seriously
hollow dock
but tbh, I dont think there is another class they can add in.
heavy cairn
I personally don't see a need for another class, however current classes could be expanded upon
rather than trying to redefine what a spec is each expansion, make new specs
manic horizon
Considering they've already poked fun at the folks requesting Bards.
leaden garden
necromancer?
hollow dock
Deathknights cover that
heavy cairn
what would bards do lol
leaden garden
Eeehhhh they could do more with a necroclass though
heavy cairn
how could music be used against the enemy
leaden garden
And I think they could actuallly make it a hybrid mage/melee/tank class
hollow dock
I don't think so.
leaden garden
Mage = Mastermind with lotsa pets
heavy cairn
I'd like a cloth tank but I don't think necromancer is the right go
manic horizon
Buffs/debuffs, healing, etc.
hollow dock
Not with Unholy as it's currnet iterations
leaden garden
Melee = idk, something like Frost DK lite
hollow dock
Like what you just said is why they won't do it. It'd be to much like a Frost DK.
heavy cairn
give mage a fourth spec, sword & shield lol
leaden garden
Sadly
hollow dock
hell to make DHs they had to remove metamorph from warlocks
leaden garden
Oh dang I didn't know that
zealous basalt
...
leaden garden
that sucks xD
zealous basalt
Bard
leaden garden
I'd say a melee pet class, but they've covered that with Unholy/Survival
hollow dock
Yea. they had to gut it out of demonology warlocks.
and now that Demo is the summoner spec
leaden garden
Dang, sucks
hollow dock
warlocks having that aspect guts the ability of necromancers even further
Now for adding in more specs
we see how the team is handling it with 32 specs to juggle in the game
I don't want that doubled
or even trippled
that's just to much workload
hollow dock
and adding in more people is a detriment in the computer world as that's more mistakes.
heavy cairn
they're having trouble because they decide to add filler abilities in every exansion
leaden garden
Add?
heavy cairn
temporary abilities
leaden garden
They keep taking away my abilities not adding lol
heavy cairn
if they left specs alone after they worked the way they want, we wouldn't have these issues
hollow dock
but that's the thing Akr
heavy cairn
not every spec needs a redesign every expansion
hollow dock
they keep wanting different things
and not every spec gets a redesign. that's flat out false to say
the only time the specs got a true full redesign was in cata and Legion.
after that, it's been minor changes.
talents leaving and entering, things going baseline, things becoming passive or just being baked into the class itself
leaden garden
Ehhh, Ret got a pretty big change from WoD to Legion
heavy cairn
so the legion redesign caused spec issues, and bfa's removal of the artifact weapon without a replacement did too
leaden garden
Blade of Justice was added, Judgment was drastically changed, Wake of Ashes got addded, consecrate was no longer useful, seals were removed, Might was reworked entirely and then removed
hollow dock
Indeed it was.
leaden garden
We also lost exorcism and Holy Wrath was turned into atalent, then Crusade became a thing
hollow dock
yes Spider, it was one of the two times that the classes got a really large overhaul
The first was the introduction of the Mastery stat.
leaden garden
blegh mastery
heavy cairn
mastery makes me sad
heavy cairn
for several specializations, mastery is just conditional versatility
heavy cairn
like destro is versatility*random chance
heavy cairn
havoc DH is versatility for chaos damage (IIRC)
leaden garden
went from raw holy damage to judgment damage and now back to holy damage
hollow dock
it's always increasing holy power it did. they just added judgement to that
for legion and then removed it
leaden garden
Increasing holy power?
leaden garden
Ah
hollow dock
Holy % damage
leaden garden
Gotcha gotcha
hollow dock
tbh Prot paladins' mastery in cata was busted.
It increased your block chance and reflected damage back to the enemy IIRC
I fell asleep during a magmaw pull one late rraid pull and stayed alive the whole time thanks to mastery stacking
uncut vault
Then there’s MM, where mastery is basically just better versatility, since it increases damage and range
frozen dust
I fell asleep during a magmaw pull one late rraid pull and stayed alive the whole time thanks to mastery stacking
That has to be the worst feeling if you're a boss
meager warren
Nice
jovial skiff
Personally I like the concept of mastery being a really spec specific thing, and I somewhat like the idea of mastery being a top stat but for some it's now useful enough rn
For fury warrior mastery increases your damage dealt while enraged, that's it. Though it's a significant amount at high levels
For havoc demon hunter mastery increases your chaos damage dealt and your movement speed but it's a trash stat because it doesn't increase it by much
In cata I'm pretty sure ret mastery just made you do bonus damage as holy or increased all your holy damage by a certain amount but I can't remember really
zealous basalt
No shoulder pad mene
strange falcon
well,he made a terrible deal,might as well carry it to the extreme of its value while he can,pad
hollow dock
he was the VP
strange falcon
maybe he went home like metzen
sullen dagger
strange falcon
lul
heavy cairn
:(
leaden garden
Gallant Steed Inspire yourself and nearby allies while Divine Steed is active, granting 113 Speed for until cancelled5 sec. Divine Steed's cooldown is reduced to 40 seconds.
What
A
ionic terrace
Interesting
ionic terrace
yes
zealous basalt
Kek
strange falcon
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/thumb/794434.jpg Helm_Cloth_EyeballHat_B_01 BFA IS A FACTION WAR EXPAC
zealous basalt
It is
tranquil steeple
why is Thal'kiel's Discord aka artifact trait being changed
hollow dock
it's an azerite trait 0=-
tranquil steeple
these are the possible Demo Warlock Azerite Traits, though
actually lemme edit that to "Demo Warlock"
tranquil steeple
I mean, everything with the Skull no longer works but... still weird
hollow dock
maybe its an unintended legacy change?
tranquil steeple
Probably, besides it shouldn't have any real effect since, again, the Skull no longer works
I'm a fan of the Ele shaman talent changes/moves though
dense plover
ah ok
hollow dock
but the critical block has been a thing for ages
dense plover
also holy shit
this is insane
NEW Baleful Invocation Your Demonic Tyrant's Demonfire deals 375 additional damage, and summoning your Demonic Tyrant instantly generates 5 Soul Shards.
dense plover
ah
hollow dock
cuz of how Blizz handles Damage reduction
your blocks end up blocking very small mounts
and doubling that amount is still pretty small
tranquil steeple
"NEW Fury of Xuen Your Combo Strikes grant you the Fury of Xuen, giving your next Fists of Fury a 3% chance to grant 130 Haste and invoke Xuen, The White Tiger for 8 sec. Stacks up to 33 times."
I'm assuming the stack part of that is just the %chance to summon Xuen
pretty much has to be
hollow dock
its a talent now yes.
dense plover
nice profession change coming
Convert a Sanguicell into Expulsom.
and
Convert one Breath of Bwonsamdi into one Sanguicell.
so you can continue to make expulsom slightly easier even in new content
jade basalt
Not my pics, but each of the Loa champions have a unique mask/attire
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406282965438562314/497171994693992458/WoWScrnShot_100418_002319.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406282965438562314/497171997437198336/WoWScrnShot_100418_002322.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406282965438562314/497172000087998464/WoWScrnShot_100418_002326.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406282965438562314/497172002130362378/WoWScrnShot_100418_002329.jpg
jade basalt
Bolvar seems to be using a new VA ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yApnssv8lnI
dense plover
jade basalt
It's pretty much the same effect, it's the voice actor that seems different, compared to WotLK/Legion
Yeah Derek's VO is awesome
jade basalt
It's not often that you don't cringe when an NPC screams of agony
dense plover
its crazy good
like, if that was acted, thats oscar quality
its insane how genuine it sounds
36 new pieces of bwonsamdi vo
its an insane amount
some are probably new death things for the raid
jade basalt
dense plover
lol
i thought 36 was a lot
jaina has 69
scuse me
maiev coming in with 86!
theres so many VO files
i doubt all of them are used but still
nathanos has more than 100
Zandalar
Nazmir > Sunken Coast (New) - Music: ZONE_80_Nazmir_Naga.
i dont know if they are adding new music so they are classifying the area
but im still excited
hollow dock
and that's where I check out
dense plover
cool
dense plover
icon isnt in
azerite caches in world are 340 instead of 325
expulsom world quest
heavy cairn
when an assault or whatever they're going to call it is going on, is there one on both continents or only one?
just seeing if they're going to bring alliance/horde bias to the leveling process lol
jade basalt
Found the Forsaken warfront gun model https://gfycat.com/RingedLightheartedIridescentshark
Textures https://i.imgur.com/nIQpFY2.jpg
uncut vault
oh, its a gun? lame
god, what a weird thing to forget
didnt give PTR accounts battle for azeroth access, so unless your character is in the zones, you cant enter them
or go to new darkshore
heavy cairn
ha!
dense plover
it was like that last week
uncut vault
Yeah I just expected it was fixed if theyre adding in the war campaign to test
dense plover
i imagine it might get fixed since its not crashing constantly now
strange falcon
they put in the scrappable icon?
dense plover
you can scrap the honored cloaks now!
zealous basalt
But does it scrap them all at once?
uncut vault
Lol, alliance cant even accept the war campaign stuff
cant complete the "Kings Rest" quest from the great sea area
seems that bug came over from beta
jade basalt
Found this