Interesting, thank you Marl
#beta-ptr-spoilers
neat idol
stiff vector
If even one person at Blizzard opened that they would've noticed how awful the build is 😄
Hell, we dataminers had a lot of issues with it as well because some stuff is just broken
stiff vector
Probably
Expecting a better build sometime this week if the issues are easy enough to track down
stiff vector
Heh
stiff vector
I'm hopeful a lot is WIP still
unique crag
guys, is datamined kael'thas model for belf heritage stuff?
why does it have green eyes
@stiff vector Was there ever an occurance of them changing armor model in PTR? I think they'll stay same
terse patrol
@ruby star Did it get updated this patch, or last patch?
ruby star
@terse patrol The high elf skin file stuff?
terse patrol
Yes
ruby star
Yeah, it did, one of the skins got the blood elf underwear removed
so went from C_1 to C:a
ruby star
Someone who supports High Elves, it's using the software tool (datamine or file viewer thing) they use. (the high elf skins under blood elf model, used to be Bloodelf_skin_15_B:c, but ever since Beta,live and PTR it seems to have changed.)
and stuff to those models have changed
such as removing blood elf underwear
ruby star
I don't either, which is strange, perhaps it's the tool/software they used, not entirely sure, as the thing I use, doesn't show it either (the renamed)
stiff vector
If he/she supports highelves that might just be doctored tbh
And of all those skins that -are- there none of them were updated in 8.1
Calling shenanigans until further notice 😄
These models got updated but are likely just the same still as before as all/a lot of m2's were updated in 8.1 due to a format change:[MODIFIED] creature/highelf/highelffemale_hunter.m2 [MODIFIED] creature/highelf/highelffemale_mage.m2 [MODIFIED] creature/highelf/highelffemale_priest.m2 [MODIFIED] creature/highelf/highelffemale_warrior.m2 [MODIFIED] creature/highelf/highelfmale_hunter.m2 [MODIFIED] creature/highelf/highelfmale_mage.m2 [MODIFIED] creature/highelf/highelfmale_priest.m2 [MODIFIED] creature/highelf/highelfmale_warrior.m2
ruby star
interesting! what are these used for?
stiff vector
Probably the old highelf npcs
ruby star
ah, the vanilla ones?
stiff vector
Yeah, not sure if they're even used still but if they're in the client they'll get updated as the format changes
ruby star
stiff vector
Looks like over 20000 M2s got updated so yeah that means nothing either
north storm
so do you think they might add new assets
zealous basalt
What for
north storm
more futa rape material for rule 34 and goldshire
zealous basalt
You have severe issues, boi
hollow dock
@stiff vector IIRC the original poster claimed it was off of the Model Viewer. Or at least, looked like it was using the model viewer as the drop down menu showed the belf models and then under it separate Helf models. Not sure if that helps or not.
stiff vector
Yeah it looks like WMV but is slightly different in colors/ui
midnight bloom
Gotta ask, with the new Night Warrior cosmetics for Night Elves and the new dialogue for Zandalari Paladins -- do you think they're going to try and make Night Elves Paladins too; or their version of Paladins?
strange falcon
there was a night elf paladin in the order hall in legion
so it's not out of the realm of possibility
but not the highest chance really
midnight bloom
Yeah, I figured as much -- be neat though.
ruby star
@stiff vector WDCK-filestrip
stiff vector
don't know it
there is also know files or skins dir in wow
so that isnt a wow archive listing
ruby star
I have no idea either, it's a file stripper or something apprantly
midnight bloom
Are we talking more varied skins for Blood Elves?
leaden garden
So anyone else see the youtube video with the troll-voice-lines shouting "For deh Light!" and "Deh Light of deh Loa is my strengt'!"
If you haven't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYLVDMiPKjc&feature=youtu.be
midnight bloom
Yeah, I referred to that with my thoughts on Night Elf Paladins.
leaden garden
I didn't see that, Nero, sorry lol
I'm not sure what direction they plan to go with the emo-nightelf look
zealous basalt
More power technically
hollow dock
it's not an emo look.
leaden garden
That's akin to "It's not a phase mom!" lol
hollow dock
It's a cultural empowerment from Elune herself, the Night Warrior being akin to a Val'kyr that took the night elf spirits and tossed them into the stars that we see today.
leaden garden
I know what they are
I know it's not an actual "cosmetic" the nelves are doing, but it still looks emo af
hollow dock
new moon is now emo
zealous basalt
Oof
But you know, it's like (for me) they threw all the shit blizzard did them after cata
And now coming back with more bitchness and roughness
hollow dock
It's not even bitchness. This is what they were before.
zealous basalt
And not taking shit any longer
terse patrol
somewhere cool
zealous basalt
I think they are going to slowly re-texture everything
And I hope dat
at least they removed that edgelord too
stiff vector
Sadly they didn't really retexture the mage tower
Might be a work in progress still but so far all they changed is the added door (in front of a wall so goes nowhere) and some 3d pillars instead of pillars painted on the wall
Some of the old texture issues are still there even
stiff vector
no
zealous basalt
Oh
dense plover
tbh it just looks like they are making it look a bit more modern, since you will probably be using it more than in legion
wouldnt mind the same treatment for the cleft of shadows
so many portals
we need a real portal room
maybe the nightborne could do some cleanup down there
ruby star
@uncut vault Wait is the PTR up now?
uncut vault
Nah it’s just looking at assets
terse patrol
Any other cool assets found
zealous basalt
I let ptr downloading todai
dense plover
how are you viewing the modified assets @uncut vault
frigid crater
dense plover
ah ok
hollow dock
I hope that they dont forget about the other sentient artifacts.
dense plover
we still arent sure its xalatath
hollow dock
uh
UH
yea no it can't be Xal'atath. It's gotta be another old god relic named that. :p
zealous basalt
Waifu is back
zealous basalt
We are going to release waifu
dense plover
but it could be related to a secret and separate from the dagger realm stuff
zealous basalt
And she gonna take a void elf form
dense plover
we dont know
zealous basalt
Sc
dense plover
it may be a spell that is going to let you hear the voices and comments the blade makes without using it
and that might be it
zealous basalt
Passive trait artifact embedded to character when
hollow dock
the page says a lot more than 1 spell
and there's an item that's not the artifact named it and referencing Xal herself
heavy cairn
@dense plover more than one spell
heavy cairn
true
dense plover
might just be a way to have the voices be a shadow priest thing forever
heavy cairn
yea but why add the dagger as an epic quest item that talks about priests as if the tooltip is not directed solely to them
rather than just using the artifact
hollow dock
clearly there's other things named Xal in the warcraft universe.
and in the game.
Like garrosh's make-believe axe.
So all those Xal talks can refer to that clearly
heavy cairn
so, half of them are possible garrosh's thing
stiff vector
I wouldn't call what's happening revamps just yet
north storm
https://www.deviantart.com/kuusinen/art/First-War-Eastern-Kingdoms-with-an-Index-Map-I-612122339 sigh...
it wasn't meant to be...
my only dissapointment about wow
uncut vault
It is directly story related
Xalatath is our tie in to the raid
8.1 SoS PreRaid - Dagger - Revival Point (msc) (New)
That’s the graveyard for the datamined SoS questline
Probably not going to be out at launch, but she somehow leads us to crucible
heavy cairn
8.1.5 probably
8.1.0 probably has all the story for zuldazar raid, if not 8.1.2 will I think
zealous basalt
Wonder if its gonna be special for spriewts
heavy cairn
that's possible
midnight bloom
I hope people find some more info on future AR's outside what we know already.
strange falcon
the next batch of allied races is 99% going to be unveiled at bcon
dense plover
usually i disagree with dafire
but in this case i wholly agree
if we are going to see them somewhere, its going to be at blizzcon
zealous basalt
WHY NOT 2 BINGOZ
sudden oak
SAN'LAYN
terse patrol
Vulpera, San’layn (or Dead Nelves), maybe cyborg gnomes, and maaaaaybe Sethrak. Sethrak need a lotta work.
terse patrol
Thats kinda it.
That takes care of all the base races.
I doubt they’ll do more than that this expac.
tulip sun
zealous basalt
But what could be the counter of the undead elves?
terse patrol
I mean, Lightsaken will prolly happen eventually
terse patrol
I think Lightsaken are a next expac thing
zealous basalt
Or when they get more relevancy
Hmm
ERM
Idk
I am out of ideas
W8
DRAGONS
dabs
terse patrol
Drakonids*
grizzled sleet
2 new undeads, Kaldorei undead for the horde, Holy undead for the alliance
terse patrol
As a replacement for Sethrak
uncut vault
Man would I be mad if we got undead night elves before undead high elves/blood elves
I’ve been waiting for a Dark Ranger skin tone for fuckin years
grizzled sleet
What about undead void elves?
zealous basalt
you ---
I don't think--
...
Anyways
What if they become an skin option like
The Night Warrior
uncut vault
I’ve been asking for that for blood elves for so long
zealous basalt
But you has gold eyes
Like imagine if we get lightbound peebs like
customization for humans
uncut vault
I honestly don’t want an undead elf allied race, because undead elf RP is so edgy and an allied race would flare that up so bad
zealous basalt
with flashy gold eyes
grizzled sleet
There is a Silvermoon warfront anyway, maybe Sylvanas will ress blood elves as undead and it unlocks as allied race / customization option
uncut vault
I just want my dark ranger skin tone and that’s it, leave other undead elves alone Blizz
grizzled sleet
by the way
"Silvermoon Warfront: Assault the final horde bastion in the Eastern Kingdoms and cleanse our land of their filth"
Seems like something said by Gen
maybe he will be a warfront commander there
or Alleria
"our land" seems like Alleria but "their filth" reminds me of Gen
zealous basalt
Well filthy horde¡?
grizzled sleet
we have 5 warfronts confirmed atm right?
manic horizon
"Cleanse our land of their filth" sounds like Greymane or Sky Admiral Rogers. She's crazy racist too.
Also, Zug Zug. 
zealous basalt
I don't like her
I think Genn can change
but rogers no
AND I BLAME HER FOR THE SKYREAVER
sudden oak
both have the same fault for the skyreaver
zealous basalt
my skyreaver :c
manic horizon
I think Genn is going to get offed at some point. Because dramatic reasons.
zealous basalt
Nah, in the novel he showed to have a thing for plot later
but ye
both are responsible
WHY DIDN'T YOU CHARGED BOTH FOR A SKYREAVER Mk.II MANDUIN
grizzled sleet
@uncut vault what if the cost of getting dark rangers was loosing silvermoon for good? Like the horde lose the warfront and blood elves get a new starting zone in the next expansion along with dark ranger customisation ?
grizzled sleet
They still have to remake Silvermoon, what if they decide to destroy it instead
grizzled sleet
And............
What if Sylvanas corrupt the Sunwell and create......... the Blighted horde
zealous basalt
Have the blighted horde kill 50% of both factions
Which means
Delete 50% of characters
grizzled sleet
You havee to fight your alts to unlock a new skin like mage tower
zealous basalt
Main*
grizzled sleet
If you don't have alts you fight your battlenet friends
zealous basalt
With your alts
grizzled sleet
if you don't have friends....
zealous basalt
Sad
grizzled sleet
what quest?
grizzled sleet
Okay
midnight bloom
The quest is just above the house with the rare spawn witch -- next to a snow capped mountain -- behind the main questlines town on that mountain
Behind it you come across a Red Dragonflight in Blood Elf form trying to protect a dead dragon from a cringe-tier Blood Elf DK that wants it for its mount
zealous basalt
He even felxes
heavy cairn
Oh lol I should level an alliance dk
After I level this alliance Druid
I wanted to see that drustvar quest from dk perspective
zealous basalt
They tell you about thanks for not killing dem
And he calls bs on you for not letting him to get a "cool" mount
heavy cairn
yea I don't think it's anything major
I had forgotten that everyone has that questline, DKs just get some dialogue variation
I'll just level this alliance druid and not level anything else (well, yes, I say that every time I finish leveling something)
unkempt moss
@heavy cairn oi what level is your alliance druid
heavy cairn
31, just started yesterday (from 1)
unkempt moss
no way
heavy cairn
?
heavy cairn
ah
unkempt moss
@heavy cairn can you add my btag
north storm
the next allied race will be pretty sure high elves
and you'll only see whipped puss people foaming in anger over them
unique crag
What software to use for datamining?
stiff vector
controls are mouse + wsad
the corridor thing reminds me of a disgusting version of gnomeregan/deeprun tram
https://bnet.marlam.in/mv.php?buildconfig=081460ab8f317f8273068b29288f2af7&contenthash=9bbeadbfc8b6b6f047af77c8b77105cb&filedataid=2114360 and this is part of the zandalar raid, is kinda huge so takes a while to load
royal orchid
Well, now I know what 2 fps looks like 😄
stiff vector
😄
royal orchid
But it looks great, thanks for sharing
stiff vector
I personally like this model the most out of all the new 8.1 models https://bnet.marlam.in/mv.php?buildconfig=081460ab8f317f8273068b29288f2af7&contenthash=7b54c785b1493275fe579ebbaf7e8b29&filedataid=2358612
Some WotLK level ice awesomeness
royal orchid
Reminds me of the blades edge mountains, but frozen ^^
stiff vector
havenswood isnt in yet i think
just a world map so far
no terrain or models i think but i'll double check
north storm
thx
stiff vector
might be way older so harder to find
yeah havenswood isnt in yet
maybe next ptr content build
royal orchid
i hope we get one today, cant wait
north storm
this should be tuesday or wednesday
stiff vector
what did you mean by edge king?
royal orchid
he probably means arthas
hollow dock
@stiff vector the hell is that you've linked!
stiff vector
oh hi @hollow dock how you doing
it is a incredibly disgusting piece of game geometry
stiff vector
probably yeah
hollow dock
is it a dungeon, scenario?! I must knowm ore
zealous basalt
Can we poke the eye
stiff vector
i do not suggest it
zealous basalt
Y no
zealous basalt
Ohh
stiff vector
just because the eye looks disgusting and menacing doesn't mean it is evil
untold fractal
alternatively, that eye might be a boss so you may actually have to poke it
untold fractal
thats one way to poke an eye
stiff vector
your nose surely
hollow dock
and that's a big ol' figner
stiff vector
oh
jade basalt
@stiff vector May be where we "confront" the Lich King with Vol'jin.
zinc sandal
PTR still not opening. Anybody know why?
dense plover
Well there are two sets of VO for lich king in the files too (I think)
One for bolvar and one that is just labeled lich king
stiff vector
Guessing one is arthas as lich king for flashbacks
dense plover
Actually I was thinking we would be with beonsamdi and talking to lich king arthas in some kind of after life
Especially considering arthas got a new model
hollow dock
they finally updated that model?
ruby star
Isn't Arthas in the blood elf scenario?
stiff vector
He got a cinematic model, isn't in-game yet I think
ruby star
Blue Silvermoon then? 😮
hollow dock
nah they won't do that
if they didn't remove the naga statues from Azshara's instanced area for the War of the Ancients stuff, I'm doubtful they'll recolor silvermoon.
also Im like 99% certain it was always red.
ruby star
Ah
stiff vector
Then again sometimes they put too much effort into one-offs
Like the escape from stockades scenario thing
They added a full copy of stormwind for that
hollow dock
Well yea but they didn't change it from the stormwind we see outside of the instance correct? minus the fire.
hollow dock
I wouldn't say that's "too much effort" territory.
Then again I have no idea how much work would be needed to turn off all the lights in stormwind.
stiff vector
Changing a color on a texture in silvermoon is nothing compared to that
hollow dock
I'mcalling it now
in the scenario
as Arthas approaches
Silvermoon is already destroyed
stiff vector
Or it's just not in view at all
hollow dock
cuz you fight him on the dead scar
stiff vector
Too much fog
hollow dock
assuming that there isn't a change in location from the datamined strings
ruby star
What if you fight him in greenwood (norrh Lordaeron)
They might update the zone for it
hollow dock
You don't. the dead scar goes from Ghostlands to Silvermoon.
and fighting him along that whole path, and as a "last defense" possibly with Sylvanas being alive, well. That places you at Silvermoon.
distant folio
@stiff vector isn't the arthas cinematic model the one that was used in the jaina nightmare cinematic?
strange falcon
it was
stiff vector
Yeah
zealous basalt
i honestly didnt like that model
hollow dock
at least that one has the eyebrows colored right
final vault
ruby star
Hey! @final vault 😄 👋 Yeah! 😛
spare pelican
Who's anduin's mother?
unborn light
Tiffin Wrynn
night swift
she has a memorial in stormwind
grizzled sleet
Anduin's mother is Arthas, she has blond hairs
strange falcon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419964841361539073/494280662405087233/unknown.png allied race confirmed,wood elves
zealous basalt
Do I smell a sue
hollow dock
oh those elveshavebeen in the files for ages
zealous basalt
Not only them
I think all characters have wood models for the thingy in the order hall
worn rune
You'd think after their wood tree got burned down, having a wood body wouldn't be all that great 😛
zealous basalt
...Too soon
tropic trail
I think the wood elves look pretty cool imo
jovial coral
Needs update with hair and such
jovial coral
Would be cool to see some runic carvings In it
zealous basalt
that moment when the bones of your hand are starting to hurt
meager warren
i'd love to be able to play a treant but a tree elf?
no fucking thanks
unkempt moss
we have 4 elven rces
meager warren
ye
meager warren
why does that make you happy
Nightborne are reskins of Night Elves
Void Elves, reskins of Blood Elves
sullen dagger
'cause high elves
meager warren
do you have a source they're going to be a playable race?
And why not just play Blood Elf?
meager warren
Both factions suck
meager warren
they both perpetuate the pointless and stupid war, so they both suck
usually the horde starts it, sure but
stuff like Genn provoking Sylvanas, etc doesn't help
sullen dagger
well, gen is a ver very good boy so...
sullen dagger
eh.
he just retaliate for the blighting of his hometwon, kinda
and he's still pissed about that
i guess
meager warren
he retaliated in vengeance, not defense
sullen dagger
when?
meager warren
wdym when
sullen dagger
yes, when did he start a fight in spite of vengance?
man, horde's story is one about pissing neutral races to join the alliance to fight his threat
races or kingdoms that had left the alliance long ago
meager warren
one instance i can think of is when he got pissed sylvanas "abandoned" the alliance at the battle of the broken shore when it was the retreat-horn Sylvanas sounded
sullen dagger
what did he started?
cause he was just pissed, and i would be aswell if i see the other end of a fragile alliance retreationg without explications
sending a dark ranger or sthing to say "h, we'0re fucked this way we're retrating"
insted they just left without a word
so yeah
sullen dagger
how so the alliance must know the horde's war tactics?
meager warren
i would assume they have similar tactics.
Be Genn
Opponent in faction war's leader sounds a war horn as retreat
Sees that the other side starts fleeing
Madboi.jpg
Tells Varian the Horde are traitors for no reason instead of following them to retreat
Sounds very justified. /s
sullen dagger
that isnt syarting antything for vengance
that's being mad after they were left alone in the battlefield for whatever the reason
meager warren
i don't know why genn would do that unless he had a personal slight against sylvanas. That's a lore-based theory.
Writing-based theory is that the writers are getting worse
and the reason is that they were getting slaughtered
hollow dock
Uh
Arson
Did you forget the whole "SYLVANAS KILLED MY CHILD, SACCED MY KINGDOM AND HAS MADE MY PEOPLE EXILES"? @meager warren
That's kinda the reason why he never liked her
He didn't trust her, but he trusted Varian. And when Sylvanas goes and retreats without giving word to the alliance, yes.
It looks like she took the moment to abandon them and hope the legion wipes them out
A sound military tactic that's known as "Betrayal"
Couple this with the fact that in Before the Storm, it is noted that Anduin tried to make contact with the horde to figure out what happened, but Sylvanas was having none of it. Couple that even more with the fact that when Anduin asked for a reprieve from the fighting just to rest and recuperate for her soldiers, she ignored it.
Yes Genn is more than justified in every single action he takes against Sylvanas.
hollow dock
and do remmeber, Gilneas being invaded was Four years ago at the start of legion
so yes its very fresh in Genn's mind
ruby star
Also
Zul'aman is built upon top of an old god general
one of the strongest, he was rezed by a amani priest wielding xal, then killed by the Amani, but his body lies dorment under Zul'aman which is quite fun thing as well Xal was just data-mined as a quest-item so... interesting
🤔
zealous basalt
Oof
ruby star
What do you think makore?
hollow dock
Oh well fine then
hollow dock
I say, let's destroy Quel Thalas and recruit hte bloodelves into the alliance
cuz they dont fit in the horde
then we get the nightborne with them
and bam
sullen dagger
Yes
zealous basalt
Aha, this will be enough to make them high
sullen dagger
Master plain
hollow dock
Im very proud of you mak
you actually knew the herb properties and didn't go and grab fucking felweed
zealous basalt
That eats felweed thinking that gonna make him high
When all will it do is shorten or kill him
You disappoint me Vris
hollow dock
pfft.
I'd wager Liadrin is the way to go for belf loyalty
She's the poster girl for "Redemption" to the point that they had her in "Redemption" armor until now
zealous basalt
I got a nice redemption for her
ruby star
I mean Quel'thalas revamp might happen. If silvermoom warfront happens 8.2 or 8.3 unless it got cut and Zul'aman migbt come into play too?
hollow dock
Nah Im doubtful. Maybe what'll happen is something similar to the current warfront
where the Amani just become a minor nuisance to deal with
With the Witherbark trolls and all
we gutted em down multiple times now, and with no Zandalari support of Zul
they're hardly a threat
zealous basalt
Let's hope we still get the upper hand in the rest of the xpac
Heck
Make alliance powerful enough to body both void peebs and horde
ruby star
I mean horde won two major battles (tell and lordaeron) so i'd asaume Alliance might win two major battles?
zealous basalt
Make it 5 and we are even
ruby star
The more the merrier! 😃
zealous basalt
All the victories
And now
Opress them all
So the Pandaren words to join actually make sense
ruby star
Part of me feels like We'll win Silvermoon if it does happen, as that would be a major win the alliance is lacking 😉
zealous basalt
Make Silvermoon meet the Kannons of the Kul tirans
high tinsel
zealous basalt
stares at profile
oak wraith
Question: is it possible to start and log in to the PTR? I'm just getting a bunch of LUA errors and the option to quit.
oak wraith
Alright. Was wondering if my settings were totally messed up or something, but I wanted to ask before doing a full clean install 😛
oak wraith
Well, we're probably missing something needed.
high tinsel
Technically its really easy for a patch to break a whole game
oak wraith
As someone who works in software dev (but not games): it's pretty easy to break stuff with a patch or even adding a new configuration option (and then forgetting to add that to the config, oops 😛 ).
high tinsel
The hard part is sometimes making the new stuff work with old stuff
I think Blizz mentioned it somewhere in some kind of making off video?
oak wraith
"It works on my development machine" ... yeah, but I forgot to put the things I did manually in the build/setup/deployment/rollout 😄
high tinsel
oak wraith
That's why you test, and as long as it doesn't happen on a live deployment, no worries 😉
dense plover
We should see a build today
Apparently a build went out for servers a while ago
So we might see a client build
stiff vector
yeah servers got 8.1.0.27868
i guess it was too late to push client or they might have not fixed the issues with the client yet
zealous basalt
What will be the first you you all are going to do?
stiff vector
grab hotfixes then never login anymore unless i go exploring
dense plover
I’m going to explore
See what new world quests there are
Continue war campaign
I still haven’t gotten any voljin stuff on live and I don’t know why
What are the prereqs for that?
zealous basalt
shrugges
dense plover
Do I need exalted with zandalari?
zealous basalt
I havent seen something of sorts
But what I'm going to do is to try the new armors
dense plover
Revered apparently
Which in one emissary away from
Slightly less technically, but it’s only 3 days away, so I’ll wait
stiff vector
i might explore if there's ways to get to the new maps
considering how recent some of the new darkshore models are i'm not sure if that is finished yet
haha wow i only just now checked out darkshore minimap
the goblin rocket launch pad is there
zealous basalt
Do you think we will have previews of the allied races?
stiff vector
this should be good
high tinsel
You mean the ones they datamined the instant they had access to 8.1 files?
regarding the models ^
stiff vector
yeah
zealous basalt
I mean, they said we would have them in the future, unless they meant a .1.5
stiff vector
allied races?
i think they'll be in client ready to go in 8.1
just like the other ones were in 7.3.5
whether or not they release before another patch idk, but feels likely
be sure to visit darkshore though when it goes live on ptr
good chance it is the new one with the burnt out tree
dense plover
Won’t the burnt tree just use the skybox?
night swift
I think Ion said they new races will be out after the zuldazar raid
So they’re be there but not playable on release
Kinda like the did and maghar
stiff vector
yeah same as the previous model @dense plover
heavy cairn
Dark Iron Dwarves and the Mag'har were playable at release
what do you mean
you just needed a rep that no one had at release
hollow dock
Meaning that you cannot on day one of the patch release play the allied races.
Which is true. They come in after the Zuldazar raid and the raids always come in a week or three after the patch actually hits so that we can have fun in the open world content
dense plover
Considering you won’t need a new rep, yeah this is pretty much the only time gate
zealous basalt
Wonder if it is going to be tied to Raid
dense plover
100%
dense plover
Leaked voljin talanji cinematic from beta implies rastakhan is gonna die
dense plover
And the follow up cinematic where she takes over seems to be part of the race recruitment scenario
sullen dagger
wat
dense plover
Don’t think it will require running the raid
Just that the raid will have to be released
Maybe even might require the last week of lfr if you don’t raid
Like how the sword only became universal after the last week of lfr
heavy cairn
it's a time gate rather than a reputation gate
I don't think it's fair to call them the same thing
[des]
dense plover
Well it still needs exalted red
Rep
It’s just zandalari rep
Which everyone will have
heavy cairn
yea, it's a reputation gate and a time gate
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
heavy cairn
I might not have Proudmoore Admirality exalted
still haven't had the time to level an alliance
hollow dock
but
heavy cairn
I'm working on it, but I wanted to play it on a different server from where I used the alliance boost (the boost was to unlock LF draenei and Blue High Elves) so have to go from scratch
hollow dock
Alright that's entirely your fault for spending so much time on the horde side
¯_(ツ)_/¯
heavy cairn
well, I have real life commitments, and a lot of my time logging in is just logging in for raid
zealous basalt
I still dont know
hollow dock
Again your time is on you. You cannot blame blizzard for that.
zealous basalt
Are rep progress ging to be a
heavy cairn
I never blamed blizzard
zealous basalt
Account progress bar?
heavy cairn
I'm just saying why I might not have Proudmoore Admirality to exalted
zealous basalt
I am
zealous basalt
Half way
hollow dock
because you couldn't get the full rep right off the bat
you had to wait to get the rep going
hollow dock
Even then, I bet it'll still be shorter than waiting around for Kul tirans and Zandalari because they'll get put behind a raid time gate, which means that roughly 3 weeks after the patch is when they'll be available
when Mag'har/DID were available after 2
tropic trail
ptr login still broken? xD
hollow dock
Always is and always will be
tropic trail
yeah, got used to alpha testing their content on live
hollow dock
the ptr isn't live tho
zealous basalt
He is memeing
hollow dock
ah
hollow dock
Most of the time they're being serious and not memeing tho
tropic trail
Im surprised we got 'only' this datamined, is this really all from that build?
hollow dock
From the build they've uploaded onto the PTR at the moment yes.
tropic trail
thats not much for 12gb
hollow dock
But as the PTR is breaking for reasons 100% unknown to us
that may hinder in what is actually in the patch in total
as well as it may not even be just a 12gb patch
tropic trail
i hoped to see zandalari racials at least, i guess too early for that
zealous basalt
I'd shit myself if they would consider this "minor"
hollow dock
there's 2 raids in this patch, the allied race stuff, class changes, azerite changes, map changes, warfronts, scenarios etc.
We already know their names just not their effects
Again, that stuff is pretty small and minor to making sure the game functions
tropic trail
effects are most important :D
heavy cairn
"because you couldn't get the full rep right off the bat
you had to wait to get the rep going"
could do island expeditions and figure out how to target honorbound/7th legion tokens
hollow dock
Island expeditions were still a time gate on getting them to drop.
If you're going to try and play the game I do, at least know who you're doing it with.
zealous basalt
Why do paladins have their artifact attack untouched and enhanced
heavy cairn
wdym
as a talent?
it's probably enhanced to compete with the other talents in the tier
zealous basalt
The artifact power
zealous basalt
Was a truck hitting
AoE
Well, not aoe but cone
And costed 2 chi
Now it lost power, aoe and gives 3 chi
zealous basalt
And pallies just got the Wake of Ashes empowered
Empowered
not the base wake of ashes
The base wake of ashes didn't give sacred power or left a dot
Das some bias there you know
heavy cairn
too bad blizzard doesn't give us normal talent trees and stop sticking them in pieces of gear
and stop messing with them every expansion
zealous basalt
Its like they don't want to touch the talent trees anymore
Basically the artifact trait->Azerite is their fix for that
heavy cairn
or, if they mess with them, it's because they add new talents without removing old talents, and they just have to make them synergize
heavy cairn
well if they give us talent points so it's actually a choice rather than "ok you get this piece"
synergy would work
zealous basalt
raises sign that says Bias
stiff vector
@hollow dock "But as the PTR is breaking for reasons 100% unknown to us" <-- maybe not anymore
I have a theory but it is still highly speculative
zealous basalt
lets hjear
stiff vector
They plan on bringing out a demo for WoW classic in November
The PTR now has a hardcoded data folder of one directory above its install directory
(one of the issues people are having with it is this)
hollow dock
OH
stiff vector
If intended, that implies it will be living in a sub directory like C:/World of Warcraft/PTR
And there could be a C:/World of Warcraft/Classic
hollow dock
So you're saying they're hitching on the current ptr to also be the classic demo?
stiff vector
Sharing the same GBs
hollow dock
or overwritting it to be the classic demo?
stiff vector
I'm saying it is being made to support both
Data being shared between retail and classic
stiff vector
But again, highly speculative
stiff vector
Say your PTR is in "C:/World of Warcraft PTR" right now
zealous basalt
yes
stiff vector
If you would start the client, it will ignore all of the data battle.net downloaded and instead it will make a C:/Data folder to download all of it to
that is what is happening with the current build amongst other things
So if they want to share data between branches (live, ptr, classic) in the future, it might look like this:
(one sec)
for example
This fixes the current PTR client not being able to read the Data Battle.net downloaded and it makes sure that the Live client and Classic client don't have duplicated data either
stiff vector
A lot of it is shared
Old stormwind is still in the current game files etc
Just the pre-cata terrain isn't anymore
Sounds etc are still there too
I was actually processing some old clients today to power some new tech on https://bnet.marlam.in/files.php
Turns out most of the files in 6.0.1 at least were added in 0.x and haven't been renamed since
zealous basalt
o
stiff vector
They might have changed for format updates/conversions etc but it is largely the same data set if you ignore newer content and overhauls such as cata
zealous basalt
Lazi fucks?
stiff vector
Why change something that is in a good place
No need to move stuff around for no reason
stiff vector
It doesn't work simply because Battle.net installs the client and data folder to the same folder
If I move the actual client one directory deeper it seems to use the proper Data dir
zealous basalt
Ohh
stiff vector
They just have to change the PTR config and it would work (for that)
Corrupted database files/reading is another issue
north storm
@stiff vector marlamin if it was for a map to get stretched. can you manipulate the Adt chunks to get the map bigger ?
stiff vector
what do you mean stretched
north storm
well if you want to get the arathi highlands to be bigger
how do you insert more adt chunks?
stiff vector
you don't really
stiff vector
You have to move everything else
north storm
I remember in Noggit you could get the map larger
stiff vector
Yeah it will add adts
north storm
by editing it.
stiff vector
Blizzard does this sometimes but only enlarges maps on the edges
If they have to enlarge inside of a zone that always makes a giant mess for a few builds
north storm
but if you want to make the actual one bigger. certain zones like stromgarde...oh..so you can't inside
right ?
gotcha
stiff vector
you can't really without moving everything else and moving gameobjects, npc spawns, etc as well
stiff vector
I think Blizzard might have tools to handle those kind of cases
It sure will cause a ton of issues though
But I doubt it happens often
Maybe early on during new continent dev
north storm
the problem is for casual mappers and modders that Don't have those tools
stiff vector
Yeah probably shit out of luck in that case 😛
north storm
I was thinking to recreate the Warcraft I map that kuursnin did but it needs some changed and extended because theoretically it's much bigger than actual one
stiff vector
You could just take a piece of it and not do the rest of the world
But not sure this kind of discussion is allowed here even though it is in the same category as the thing WoWHead does for stuff like mount previews
north storm
heh. not like people use wow assets to recreate stuff and still get rewarded by the team
north storm
also I got you if I was to port the entire map probably I would need a very very good pc for all the resources
strange falcon
guys,just watch,people will blow up the forums with "the bcon rewards are further evidence that wow is dying"
etc etc
north storm
rip
hollow dock
after demanding why they have to pay ten whole more dollars
strange falcon
i thought the whole purpose of getting the virtual ticket
was to actually watch blizzcon
with the mountspets as a bonus
hollow dock
Yea pretty much
but people bitched and moaned that there should be something great that comes with that extra ten dollars
north storm
do you think they'll announce something else other than 8.1 ?
stiff vector
There was a lot of feedback that people wanted to play the playable stuff at BlizzCon too
So here we are
north storm
8.1.5
night swift
They might just show off the raids and allied races
night swift
No
night swift
The thin humans are kul tirans
hollow dock
we still know next to nothing of what they'll look like and how they'll play
night swift
But not playable
strange falcon
explaining all the stuff about zandalari kultirans
north storm
ew
stiff vector
raids
strange falcon
with concept art
hollow dock
raids*
strange falcon
and new allied races
hollow dock
there's 2 of em
north storm
yeah new allied race. alterac humans finally
night swift
No
hollow dock
the only reason, highly likely by like 98%, that the large big boi Kul tirans exist is because of the Drust.
north storm
that alterac people are inhabitants of the kingdom of alterac
night swift
🤔
hollow dock
Yes. In the mountains. From Stormwind
Dalaran, Stormwind, Gilneas, Stromgarde, and Alterac are all on the same continent
even on the same hemisphere of the continent.
north storm
you forgot one
strange falcon
the trolling is strong on this one
hollow dock
cuz fuck Lordaeron
north storm
haha
night swift
Lordaeron are the forsaken
north storm
dude we need to return back in time after this expansion
hollow dock
No
night swift
No
hollow dock
No no no no
strange falcon
WOD 2.0
north storm
I hope to see the 7 kingdoms redone
hollow dock
No more timelines
night swift
We already did that with draenor
hollow dock
no more time travels
strange falcon
LETS DO IT BOIS
strange falcon
get the devs children to write the story for the expac
and release it on april 1st
north storm
man they retconned the shit out of wod
night swift
No they didnt
hollow dock
All of WoD happened
night swift
Look at the maghar orc scenario
north storm
you two have the same brain
hollow dock
and minus a very small few key events
north storm
so...
hollow dock
it's the exact same history as our current Outland
zealous basalt
It's irrelevant for liance
hollow dock
Do remember that thirty years passed on Dreanor
from the time we left
to the time the horde goes back
north storm
what it was in the beginning and how it all ended
hollow dock
thirty very long years and roughly halfway through it, a Prime Naaru landed on there and started churning out lightforged
Nothing in WoD has been retconned over
night swift
Its canon
hollow dock
None
It's still there
it exists
we're just unable to get there with the exception of plot macguffins
like Etrigg's time shard from Garroshs' time shard
north storm
ouch
night swift
Now that shit was kinda bs
hollow dock
Rather than just saying "Yo let's portalback over because we did that literally in WoD"
night swift
The maghar scenario is kinda dumb
hollow dock
they had to pull out plot armor, after magical macguffin, to plot armor to get the horde their mag'har
zealous basalt
And plot dragons
hollow dock
Oh yea and the dragon who helps them get there breaks his own rules
zealous basalt
Its all
hollow dock
So they had to throw out an established character to make it happen
zealous basalt
🅱ias
north storm
in which kind of expansion we would return to a pre first war EK or the ancient days of Strom?
seriously
hollow dock
None.
Unless they decided that we go to the Alternate Azeroth that exists with the alternate draenor
We can't go back in time
Nozdormu tied up the timeline we're currently in during Cataclysm.
Our past can't be changed nor can it be interfered
strange falcon
someone hasnt been paying attention
zealous basalt
Becaus2 bias
hollow dock
We can't alter our timeline. Unless we found a way to get to the Alternate Azeroth that is tied with Alternate Draenor, we won't see an Azeroth untouched by the filth of the horde.
north storm
horde
strange falcon
what filthy horse exactly makore?,i cant see it through the tens of horse mounts you got
north storm
honor
zealous basalt
Jokes on you
north storm
hollow dock
Horde was made for genocide.
zealous basalt
I dont have horses :c
hollow dock
Can't deny your origins
ruby star
Do you guys think we'll get more 8.1 info at Blizzcon or 8.2 info? (of course we're getting classic demo and stuff)
ruby star
Ah that's a shame
north storm
8.2 stuff already?
strange falcon
as i said,8.1 allied races and raids info,
8.2 concept art
8.2 allied races possibly
strange falcon
thats what they did for all other bcons
talk about current patch,and sneak peek of next patch
hollow dock
I think 8.1 and then classic wow is the rest
zealous basalt
Hope its not
zealous basalt
What else do we have to know about classic