#beta-ptr-spoilers

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zealous basalt
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Ion said it

tulip sun
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He is a dead man walking

zealous basalt
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But not my gnome boi pls

tulip sun
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What do you guys think for Baine?

zealous basalt
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He hasnt done anything

tulip sun
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Since he is literally right in the path

zealous basalt
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Well, I think baine is a pretty cool guy

tulip sun
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I am not saying kill him

zealous basalt
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Eh kills arpies and doesnt afraid of anything

tulip sun
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But fight to incapacitate, or near his death Oculeth shields him or something

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and then they take the elevator to Rasta

zealous basalt
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Or

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The great seal opens

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And we fite him there

tulip sun
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Either way

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They'd have explaining to do if Baine is absent from the great seal

zealous basalt
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I dont see horde leaders dying

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Probably out of combat

tulip sun
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Jaina is not dieing xD

ruby star
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I really hope this Mekka rumour is fake

tulip sun
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We know that

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A Horde boss can just be incapacitated, especially Baine c

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and I doubt it is as I read on

zealous basalt
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I mean...if the can have him making a big explosion

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As he dies

tulip sun
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But it just brings up the question:

ruby star
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I think Katherine will die tbh

zealous basalt
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Taking with him a lot of people

tulip sun
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Who will the other faction bosses be?

zealous basalt
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Probably some of the commanders we have seen

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Halford?

tulip sun
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Random generals? That is kinda no fun, as Horde sees Jaina escapes and alliance kill the fabled god-king of Zandalar.

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Halford, I don't know

zealous basalt
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Alleria could be

tulip sun
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I don't see

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Uhm

zealous basalt
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The champions we recruit?

tulip sun
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What is it

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RAsta making it out alive

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Unless perhaps they CAPTURE rasta instead?

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and the horde chase them to the docks and out to sea

zealous basalt
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No..

tulip sun
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to try and get them back

zealous basalt
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Thing is it looks that Rasta is very weakened

tulip sun
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Thats where we fight Jaina

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Not anymore, he has a new Loa

zealous basalt
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Heck, even I think we should be making him a favor

tulip sun
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Bwonsamdi empowers him

zealous basalt
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Ah

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I can imagine Talanji

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With Voljin at her Loa

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As*

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That would be pure epicness

tranquil steeple
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at best/worst, I imagine Bwonsamdi will finally claim Rasta's spirit

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considering the quest where we had to get it back from him with Rezan's help

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before we siege Dazar'alor to get the place back from Zul and the blood trolls

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at the very least, at Talanji's plea (I guess), temporarily doing it so the Alliance can't get anything out of Rastakhan... but that's a long shot in itself

zealous basalt
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Again, we will have to see

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Hey people

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Do you think they will give gear to test the raid?

sudden oak
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Tbh I don't think good old bwonsamdi will let rastakhan die

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And if blizzard kills him even after that Katherine will also probably die

zealous basalt
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Hmm

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Kat and Rasta

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Seems like a fair trade

terse patrol
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Rasta and Mekkatorque is too big a trade

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aka

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Mekkatorque > Rastakhan

limber mural
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hopefully in the dazaralor raid we see them fly in

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that'd be neat

zealous basalt
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I mean

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Flying combat with flying mounts

limber mural
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flying is the only safe place

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inb4 dazar'alor raid is secretly AV 3.0

dense plover
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So I guess ptr either today or tomorrow

hollow dock
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Saturday and Sunday are still work days over at blizzHQ aren't they?

dense plover
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Nope

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Not for anything outside of bug fixes

heavy cairn
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alright. 24 hours, no mount

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ticket time

hollow dock
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ticket for what

heavy cairn
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so I get the mount

hollow dock
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for the boat?

heavy cairn
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yea, I bought 6 months of game time yesterday, didn't get a gift or get it in game

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support site said they were still distributing and to wait 24 hours. ok, I waited, and there's no longer a message saying they are still distributing.

hollow dock
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Ah. I see.

dense plover
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I would still wait

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It’s not hurting you to wait

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And there might be people who really need a customer rep that won’t get one because one is helping you

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I say wait until tomorrow

heavy cairn
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it's also not hurting me to send a ticket lol

dense plover
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It’s still pretty early for blizz

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At least wait like 2 hours

heavy cairn
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in 2 hours I will not be available to send in a ticket, I'll only be available in like 4 hours.

dense plover
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It’s only 9am. Blizz guys just showed up

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But if you want to, sure submit a ticket

heavy cairn
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if they wanted to reduce # of tickets sent in about this, they should have made the system work lol

dense plover
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There’s clearly a problem

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That’s why I said wait

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They are just now coming in for work

hollow dock
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"How dare these people not cater to my every whim. grumble grumble grumble"

dense plover
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So they have t yet had a chance to fix it

heavy cairn
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[des] 🤔

dense plover
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It’s a boat

hollow dock
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it's not even that good of a boat.

dense plover
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You are taking the time of a customer rep when they could be helping someone with account issues or hackers or irl threats

heavy cairn
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ok? I'll have to take their time eventually

dense plover
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It doesn’t hurt to wait an extra day

zealous basalt
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And a boat everyone complain about

dense plover
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Blizz still works Friday

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And then you can definitely say they’ve had enough time to fix the issue

heavy cairn
zealous basalt
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Imagine having 10 years of gametime

heavy cairn
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I would hope someone with 10 years of gametime would still be configured with a 6 month subscription and thus receive the boat

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there's no logical reason to cancel a subscription that isn't going to renew for 10 years

ruby star
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If 8.1 PTR came out today, what time would it come out roughly?

heavy cairn
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11:00 AM PDT seems to be their magic time for stuff :)

ruby star
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Thanks Akr! 😃

heavy cairn
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but there's no guarantee

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it just seems they schedule everything special then

ruby star
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Aye, seems so

dense plover
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Wait, so if you already have game time - no. Right?

zealous basalt
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No

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If you h...

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..

dense plover
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You have to purchase 6 months now

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During the promo period?

zealous basalt
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If you have the recurring thing before it

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You still get it

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Like

dense plover
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Ooooh

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Awesome

zealous basalt
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If you bought the 6 month sub b4

dense plover
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Then I can get it too!

zealous basalt
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You get it

dense plover
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Cool

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Do I also need to open a ticket?

heavy cairn
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if you had a 6 month recurring sub scheduled before 12:01 AM PDT on September 19th (i.e. before September 19th), you should have gotten it gifted yesterday.

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If you did not, open a ticket.

zealous basalt
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My friend brought it the friday

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Got the mount like

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3 hours after

heavy cairn
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the friday?

zealous basalt
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I think in going to miss it sadly

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Ye

heavy cairn
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what friday

zealous basalt
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Last

heavy cairn
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ah

uncut vault
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PTR is updating it seems

ruby star
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I need to update my PTR then!

heavy cairn
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oh cool

hollow dock
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its still 801

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No update

ruby star
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could be getting ready for 8.1

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update

hollow dock
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it's certainly an update

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but it's not the 8.1 update

ruby star
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I'll most likely not get the chance to play it if it;s out tonight or tommorrow, because EGX D:

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It seems its the pre update update

heavy cairn
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well, PTR servers are apparently on

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I can't copy a character but I just created one and logged in

hollow dock
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Ptr servers are always on

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Why do people forget this

heavy cairn
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I've tried several times in the past to go on PTR when it wasn't PTR testing time and the servers weren't on

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so, the PTR is basically a free Legion?

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with gear vendors?

uncut vault
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yes, theres a group of players that actually use it as that

heavy cairn
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the characters I had during the entirety of legion on the PTR are wiped though

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I guess that's the downside to using it like that

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characters get wiped

hollow dock
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they get wiped and when raid testing stops

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the vendors disappera

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disappear*

arctic nova
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ok I do want a spoiler does anyone know the requirements for Pathfinder part 2 yet please send me a private message thanks

hollow dock
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No none of that has been released yet @arctic nova

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the builds not even out yet lol

uncut vault
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Not likely to be in 8.1 anyways

heavy cairn
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there might be a part 2, who knows

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just expect part 3 in 8.2 if there's part 2 in 8.1 :)

hollow dock
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There's only a part 1 and 2 tho

heavy cairn
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that's how it was in legion

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we have no indication that it will be the same this time

hollow dock
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Uh

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What?

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No it wasn't

heavy cairn
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if they aren't adding flying in 8.1, I still find it reasonable to expect they will require the completion of 8.1 content

hollow dock
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There was only a part 2

heavy cairn
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🤔

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legion had part 1 and part 2

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part 2 required part 1

hollow dock
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Yea. You said to expect a part 3

heavy cairn
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yes

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expect part 3

hollow dock
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That's not how it was in legion

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part 2 gave us flying

heavy cairn
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yea because 7.2 added the first actual new zone for content

hollow dock
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and 7.2 was when part 2 was added

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there wasn't a part 2 before that

heavy cairn
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I know.

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if they don't screw it up like they did with invasions, I find it reasonable to expect incursions as a requirement for unlocking flying

hollow dock
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so where'd the part 3 come from

heavy cairn
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the assumption that 8.1 adds new content needed for flying, but does not actually add flying yet

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this would require part 2

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8.2 would add further content needed for flying, and actually add flying, making part 3 the final meta-achievement

hollow dock
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but legion's 7.1 didn't add any content that required flying what

heavy cairn
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legion's 7.1 didn't, because it didn't add any open world content other than helya world quests and short odyn storyline.

hollow dock
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yea because when part 2 was added to unlock flying with part 1, was in 7.2 with the broken shore and ivnasions

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invasions*

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So when they tell us "We're going to keep it like it was in legion." Why are we expecting three parts to legions 2?

heavy cairn
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so what do you think they'll do? require incursions in part 2 (added in 8.2), despite incursions being in 8.1?

hollow dock
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Or maybe there's new requirements that will come in 8.2

heavy cairn
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what it was like in legion was us knowing the requirements as soon as they were available to complete

hollow dock
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truly amazing thinking

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I know

heavy cairn
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8.1 is a big update, compared to 7.1, it might have new requirements and 8.2 might too

hollow dock
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Except that if part 2 is already coming out in 8.1, why the fuck would they tack on a part 3 for 8.2? Ask yourself that

heavy cairn
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because they aren't ready for people to fly in 8.1?

hollow dock
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Then why would they add

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part 2

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into 8,1

heavy cairn
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so people know what they need on their way to earning flying

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same reason part 1 exists

hollow dock
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Except that part 1 gives you the MOUNT SPEED INCREASE

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They didn't add part 2 in 7.1

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They added part 2 when the content to unlock it

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was available

heavy cairn
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cuz 7.1 had nothing that would be good for pathfinder to require

hollow dock
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And why are we assuming that 8.1 will have part 2 requirements in it

heavy cairn
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8.1 has extended war campaign.
part 1 required completion of base war campaign.

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for one

hollow dock
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That...that has no correlation at all

heavy cairn
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7.2 meta originally had a bunch of requirements that got removed because of excessive time gating.
it included the broken shore campaign and invasions.
if they are better with time gating this time around, why do you think they wouldn't include incursions and an extended war campaign in the requirements for flying?

hollow dock
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Because of the assumption that we aren't ready for flying.

If you wish to assume that blizzard doesn't learn from their mistakes then fine.

heavy cairn
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they don't, really

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kings' rest and siege of boralus are mythic-only, and we thought they learned from their mistake in legion

dense plover
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mythic only isnt a mistake

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the implementation of them being mythic only until the next major patch is fantastic

heavy cairn
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it's fantastic--except that's not how it's implemented

dense plover
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yes it is

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thats how they worked in legion

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all of legion

heavy cairn
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it's implemented as a permanent mythic-only dungeon.
why would the achievements simply be "Siege of Boralus" and "Kings' Rest" otherwise?

dense plover
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what about the karazhan achievements?

heavy cairn
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karazhan same way

hollow dock
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uh

heavy cairn
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it was "Return to Karazhan"

hollow dock
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Arcway

dense plover
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theyll change the achievements to require mythic

hollow dock
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and

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Court of Stars

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also got achieves into Heroic

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and norm

heavy cairn
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they do now, they didn't back on release.

dense plover
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just like they did for arc way, court of stars, and karazhan

hollow dock
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when they got made into "Non mythic only"

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Yea

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because they didn't have

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heroic

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and normal

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LOL

dense plover
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they got them when they got the difficulties?

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are you high?

hollow dock
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^

dense plover
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"they dont have the achievements for normal yet, so they wont be normal even though these other mythic onlys got achievements for normal when normal mode was added"

hollow dock
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I can't even. Ima go back to MonHun

heavy cairn
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the missing achievements (which they have trouble adding retroactively) would be there if they had any intention of opening in a lower difficulty.

for example, cathedral has an achievement for Normal despite no Normal difficulty existing.
idk about Seat of the Triumvirate

hollow dock
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Honestly akr

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a quick google search shows

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it's a mistake on their end

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for having normal

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for Cath

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cuz Triumv doesn't

heavy cairn
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it causes problems when they add achievements for lower difficulties that previously didn't exist, they would've added heroic if they had any intention of opening it later.

hollow dock
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Where-as all the dungeons they've had on mythic only

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and then added in lower tier achieves for

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well

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they exist

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on not just one

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but three

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soon to be five

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clearly it's not as difficult as you make it out to be

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Mind you cathedral and seat aren't "mythic only" dungeons

heavy cairn
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I don't really want to argue using arcane reasoning, but assuming they are going to add heroic later, I still think even temporarily doing mythic-only is a mistake.

hollow dock
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I dont

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It worked perfectly fine in Legion

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works perfectly fine now

heavy cairn
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yea it worked until they caved into people complaining about not being able to access the story

hollow dock
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think what you want

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

heavy cairn
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same thing's going to happen this time

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there's literally no point to mythic-only

hollow dock
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but they already said it's what they planned

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ahead of time

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By that reason Akr

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theres no reason to have a mythic only phase

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on bosses

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or mythic exclusive mechanics

heavy cairn
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no, not by that reasoning

zealous basalt
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There is a point

heavy cairn
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all mythic-only does is affect people who don't do mythics, I couldn't care less if they miss out on some mechanics.
it does nothing for people who actually do mythics, like me.

zealous basalt
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If you want it badly

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Get to the level

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And that's it

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I dont do mythic either

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Neither my guild leader

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Got us to do mythic siege of boralus at 300

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I dont see anything bad with an instance that is really challenging

limber mural
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yup

heavy cairn
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challenge, in mythic, isn't the issue

limber mural
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first week of m+0 at 305 was most fun I've had in a while

zealous basalt
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And isnt that challenging either

hollow dock
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he's angry at not getting the story until 8.1 when they give the story to the late comers and lazy bums

tropic trail
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It's challenging if you do it naked

heavy cairn
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mythic-only difficulty (not talking mechanics / phase) is not rewarding people who only do mythics, it's only punishing those who don't.

zealous basalt
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Oof

hollow dock
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Again

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I have to do the whole mythic only phase and stuff.

zealous basalt
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If you want to see something

tropic trail
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That sounds like a contradiction

hollow dock
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Mythic only mar'gok had a huge story spoiler in it

zealous basalt
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Just get gear and do it?

hollow dock
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So clearly

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Mythic only phases

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are harming those who don't play em

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

zealous basalt
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Because they dont want

heavy cairn
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I said gating a whole dungeon, not its mechanics, des

tropic trail
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None unless you got buns hun

hollow dock
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It's not gating a dungeon tho

heavy cairn
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some people just want to play for the scenery and lore

zealous basalt
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Happened in Legion and it was well receiving

hollow dock
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especially since you can do that whole dungeon

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at 300 ilvl

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there'sno ilvl gate to get into it

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there's a whole questline behind it

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but there's no actual gating behind this

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Complaining that you can't just que and mindlessly walk through it? Is that it?

zealous basalt
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Just because it said "mythic' doesnt mean its bad

tropic trail
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Only issues I've seen with mythic dungeons so far is lack of communication between a lot of the groups

zealous basalt
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Fixed by doing it with guildies

heavy cairn
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it's not about me, it's just about people's complaints

zealous basalt
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...

heavy cairn
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I do mythics. Some people don't.

hollow dock
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People would complain if blizzard handed everyone a million gold

zealous basalt
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Those people can go fock themselves tbh

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They just dont like the game

hollow dock
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You can't stand up for every single complaint that comes around

zealous basalt
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They pay the game

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To complain about it

tropic trail
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I do

zealous basalt
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Add nothing constructice

tropic trail
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I know I pay for the game to complain

zealous basalt
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And feel entitled

tropic trail
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Do I get my free Asshat badge of honor?

zealous basalt
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Constructice*

hollow dock
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yes you do Lilo

zealous basalt
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No, you get a ban

tropic trail
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constructive*

hollow dock
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Which is a ban

tropic trail
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No u

hollow dock
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the badge is a ban

tropic trail
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Don't make me come to your house and make you a well balanced breakfast.

zealous basalt
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Honestly if I was someone higher in blizzard how many people would have banned and gived money back

hollow dock
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DON'T

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YOU

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DARE

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THREATEN ME WITH A GOOD TIME

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YOU KNOW I HATE GOOD TIMES

tropic trail
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I'M CRACKING THE EGGS RIGHT NOW

zealous basalt
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Oof

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But ye

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Mythic only dungeons add that touch of challenge to the game

tropic trail
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If you want challenge

zealous basalt
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...which is what Warfront needs

tropic trail
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Try mythic raiding or doing BGs on the alliance side

zealous basalt
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I dont do mythic raiding

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Pvp doesn't count

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You arent facing a machine after all

tropic trail
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That's debatable

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Looks at multiboxers

zealous basalt
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I know some players act like lvl1 bots

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But ye, the most I do is heroic raids

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And m+10

heavy cairn
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not +15?

zealous basalt
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But even as a roleplayer (whose are supposed to be the worst players in the game and I can debate that) I think that Mythic only story was really good, after all, you were against a bunch of corsairs through the city

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Never tried +15

tropic trail
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I think the ending was worth it tbh

zealous basalt
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And the final boss was pretty ezz

heavy cairn
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+15 is as easy as +10 by the time they start awarding better gear from it

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at least that's how it worked in Legion

tropic trail
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Took two hours for my group

zealous basalt
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Oh

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Getting the mechanics was like

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5 or 7 attempts

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Until I was like

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"Oh, focus the tanker one and fuck the one with the sailor"

tropic trail
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I stopped doing mythic+ pretty early on in Legion

zealous basalt
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And we cheesed it

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AND THE GEAR FELT SO GOOD

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And then that cinematic

heavy cairn
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I was doing mythic 0 on my healer alt at like 290

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just did the motherlode 4 times because that's actually the easiest dungeon in my experience

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was for the dungeon event weekly quest, wanted 370

zealous basalt
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...motherlode easy

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cocks shotgun

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Say that I gain I dare you

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I DOUBLE DARE YOU

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That place is worse than my city trash place

heavy cairn
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it's easier than:

  • buggy temple of sethraliss, with a dose of RNG-based one shot mechanics
  • shrine of the storm (my favorite dungeon) that no one knows the mechanics for
  • tol dagor that people like to pull extra trash in
  • siege of boralus that no one knows the mechanics for
  • kings' rest with one shot mechanics
  • freehold that people like to pull extra trash in
  • waycrest manor with those dumb debuffs
  • atal'dazar that people like to pull extra trash in and don't know the mechanics for
  • underrot with those blasted ticks
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the only thing in motherlode I can name is the interruptable abilities that can be healed through in the worst case scenario

zealous basalt
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I always heard shit about kings rest at high + levels

heavy cairn
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kings' rest is crap even at m0

zealous basalt
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I got a question for horde

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While leveling do you touch motherlode?

heavy cairn
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115, quest from gallywix

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he was trying to make a deal with the final boss

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to refine azerite

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final boss screwed gallywix over though

zealous basalt
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Ah

heavy cairn
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why do you go to tol dagor at 115?

tropic trail
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Looks at Jaina

zealous basalt
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Cleaning the house from the Ashvane people there if I remember, didnt put a lot of attention to the quest (rare for me)

heavy cairn
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ah ashvane ok

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I find it funny that the horde thinks ashvane = alliance

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during war campaign and world quests

zealous basalt
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She a hoe

heavy cairn
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I guess it's similar to how alliance thinks zul & mogu = horde

zealous basalt
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Although I didnt have the quest until I completed Tiragarde Sound

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They dont btw

heavy cairn
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oh

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why did they plant bombs on the ships that zul & the mogu stole, and the horde has no access to?

zealous basalt
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Blow them later

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In the event if the zandalari get them

heavy cairn
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alright

zealous basalt
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Its like a safe lock

heavy cairn
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the only mention of horde knowing about ashvane is that nathanos says there's some sort of issue between ashvane and the other houses of kul tiras
they seriously think she's allied with alliance and the rest of kul tiras

zealous basalt
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I had a smile on my face when I saw danath

tranquil steeple
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I mean

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idk if it's because I hit 115 on my Pala already

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but even 110 chars can enter Motherlode

heavy cairn
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That's weird.

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dungeon queue says only 115+ can

tranquil steeple
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probably is because my pala hit 115, got quest, and did it... and then got 120

zealous basalt
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Wait, they can?

tranquil steeple
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manually entering, yeah

heavy cairn
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ohhh

zealous basalt
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Ah

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Manually entering

heavy cairn
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I wonder if that applies to opposite faction dungeons

zealous basalt
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Probs

heavy cairn
#

I would doubt it, IIRC the mobs actually scale to 120 on opposite faction island if you explore where you aren't supposed to

tranquil steeple
#

My 110 DH with two of the glaives from first boss in Tol Dagor begs to differ

heavy cairn
#

I specifically remember being in drustvar at level 118 or something and everything was 120

tranquil steeple
#

solo'd

zealous basalt
#

Sela

#

Dont solo stuff

#

We got nerfed later

tranquil steeple
#

but i wanna D:

zealous basalt
#

states at that pally dude

heavy cairn
#

last defender "nerf" wasn't a nerf

#

you'd die before you got more than 18 enemies on you in normal conditions

in fact that's what occurs, he dies a bunch until enough grubs are in uldir

zealous basalt
#

Well it doesnt shows something in the topltip

#

I CAN DISAGREE

tranquil steeple
#

well, to be fair

#

the Last Defender talent was a pretty special case

zealous basalt
#

It suffered from disminishing returns

tranquil steeple
#

since it took mobs for a completely different instance (dungeon) into a raid

zealous basalt
#

It dont now btw

tranquil steeple
#

and created enough mobs that weren't too harmful to pull to stack the % damage reduction up

zealous basalt
#

The tooltip doesnt says "this effect suffers from.disminishing returna"

heavy cairn
#

now it caps at 50%, which isn't really reachable in practice

zealous basalt
#

Returns

#

Well make the math

#

Each enemy gives you a up to 3%

tranquil steeple
#

I mean, if it doesn't suffer from diminishing returns... it's actually buffed

zealous basalt
#

So 10 enemies would give you only 30%

tranquil steeple
#

it's just that it's got a cap on it that you really don't reach unless you're doing trivial content and mass-pulling from hell and back

heavy cairn
#

by the time you get the number of enemies for 50%, you dead

(in an actual dungeon / raid)

zealous basalt
#

Not really akr

tranquil steeple
#

depends on the enemies

zealous basalt
#

I make those hell of pulls at lvl 117 in open world

heavy cairn
#

yea should've clarified

#

I meant in actual content

#

dungeon / raid

#

not open world

tranquil steeple
#

there are some weak ones that can do the job in stacking up the %

heavy cairn
#

and not lfr lol

zealous basalt
#

Ah, those

tranquil steeple
#

eitherway, Last Defender's just got a nerf to stupidly huge pulls

#

but in the usual pulls, it's a buff

zealous basalt
#

Well depends tbh

#

I'm still

#

Leaning to the tooltip

#

They got the "This effect suffer from disminishing returns" off

tranquil steeple
#

I wonder if my effective health WA scales up with the talent chosen

#

or if it just stealth-lowers the damage of all enemies around me

zealous basalt
#

Although that talent is a beast in pvp still

#

Remember when he soloed orgrimmar?

tranquil steeple
#

uh.... nope

#

I rarely followed anything in regards to soloing stuff before starting WoW

zealous basalt
tranquil steeple
#

ohhhh... yeah, ok

#

anyways lemme pull some stuff and see if my WA changes based on enemies around me with Last Defender

#

ok it's a hidden damage reduction buff on the player

night swift
#

that guy is gonna be hated by all paladins when blizz nerfs that cause of him

zealous basalt
#

They already did

#

Well

#

Put a cap on it

tranquil steeple
#

Nerfed giant pulls, buffed "normal" pulls

#

assuming the diminishing return is indeed gone from the talent

zealous basalt
#

Though would love a dev to say if it suffers from disminishing returns or not

tranquil steeple
#

I'm sure I could find it out by getting a calculator up but

#

cba with that atm

#

got a Supply drop to pick up - edit: got it

plain vigil
#

So upin inspection of what ion said, both the Horde and Alliance will be doing the raid boss relating to Rastakhan... Meaning we may see a neutral villan after all.... Bwomsamdi, or Hakkar. :3

dense plover
#

not hakkar

#

hakkar is not related to bwonsamdi or rastakhan

#

literally bwonsamdi has helped the zandalari against hakkar

#

its probably bwonsamdi or someone related to him

#

or it could be a power mad rastakhan

#

we dont know

uncut vault
#

I dont think they said that horde will be doing the rastakhan fight

#

just that its the midpoint of the raids story

plain vigil
#

His armor is Hakkar's skin 😃 just saying. And porter that's a fair point.

uncut vault
#

his death, assuming he dies, will get a cutscene anyways, so chances are they fight their way through the pyramid, and arrive just in time for the cutscene

#

chase jaina/wyrmbane/whoever down to the docks

dense plover
#

^

tulip sun
#

Exactly what porter said

zealous basalt
#

I dont know what he said but he is right

#

Oh I read it

#

And I agree with all violence

#

raises pitchforks

misty blaze
#

jaina better not die or ill be very pissed

zealous basalt
#

Nah

#

That would be a waste of character

frozen dust
#

I think it'll end with Azshara showing up and Jaina going "oh fuck nevermind" or something like that

#

Odds of Bwonsamdi being the secret mythic stage of the Rastakhan fight?

hollow dock
#

Nah.

#

We know she won't pop up

#

the raid right after it leads to hints on what Azshara is doin, so.

#

Would be weird to get hints after we see her pop up no?

uncut vault
#

would be the worst possible time to pop up, anyways

#

one faction just triumphing over the other, NOW lets show my face as a big enemy

#

more likely we're going to seek her out

tulip sun
#

The Alliance is defiantly the "victor" of the fight

#

They go into Dazaralor, Kill or capture the king, and leave.

#

and we know we won't kill Jaina

#

and they are pushing down into Darkshore agani

#

Offensive alliance

zealous basalt
#

Well

#

Ion said this was our patch

#

And that we had the upper hand for some tine

hollow dock
#

I mean. Ion said "The alliances goes to keep the upper hand in this war"

#

So the alliance is at all points since Lordaeron having the upper hand over the horde

zealous basalt
#

I feel for that dude that wanted alliance to win

hollow dock
#

What I am very nervoucited for

tulip sun
#

The alliance are making all offensive moves for a while

hollow dock
#

is the Tyrande story update

#

I don't want cata-MoP tyrande

#

I want War Crimes Tyrande

zealous basalt
#

How was she

tulip sun
#

They will corner the Horde, and get bit hard.

zealous basalt
#

Get bit hard

#

By who

tulip sun
#

The Horde.

hollow dock
#

Ruthless, Cunning, and a very catty woman. Exactly what she was in Wc3

zealous basalt
#

...uh huh

tulip sun
#

They are sieging Zuldazar

#

They are pushing south from Darkshore

hollow dock
#

Cuz Golden is the only WoW writer who can write women properly it seems.

tulip sun
#

And if all holds out

#

Pushing to Silvermoon and up towards Mulgore

#

They are going hard in on the Horde.

#

and you don't just do that to a dangerous beast.

zealous basalt
#

Horde is anything but dangerous Kham

hollow dock
#

The horde's blight is dangerous

zealous basalt
#

Countered by Jaina

tulip sun
#

I don't think you entirely understand Makore.

hollow dock
#

their azerite machines are dangerous

#

but in a straight up Infantry vs Infantry fight

#

Alliance certainly wins

zealous basalt
#

No, I understand what you mean

hollow dock
#

as seen with Lordaeron

zealous basalt
#

But Horde has small means for win

#

Unless is some thick plot shield

#

Which is what I am afraid of

tulip sun
#

If you thought the Horde did questionable things to win in Lordaeron, your in for one hell of an awakening if they continue to push in Horde lands and such.

#

It won't be just Sylvanas fighting and wanting to win any means necessary.

zealous basalt
#

Kham I dont think you are aware of it

#

Horde has been pushing alliance like if they were their rag dolls, they thought they could just do what they wanted, and this is what happens when you piss off something that is letting you live

#

And I tell you, the first horde seemed more rash and powerful than this one, and still got their asses kicked by the humans

tulip sun
#

Am I denying that somehow?

#

All I am saying

zealous basalt
#

You seem to think that the alliance is marching without noticing it

#

And honestly I doubt that they could put a 1:1 fight against Alliance

tulip sun
#

Is that now that the alliance is angry and pushing offensive hard, they are not stopping. The Horde is losing the war, they are being pushed back to their homelands.

#

The Alliance is cornering them, and being cornered makes someone or something the most dangerous it has ever been.

jade basalt
#

It's easy. On paper, the Alliance would win, everytime, they could wipe out the entire Horde anytime, and they could have dismantled and enslaved them anytime. Hell Anduin was against doing that in MoP, but they could have if they had wanted to.

In reality, because of the game and it's dual faction aspects, the Horde has to be presented as an equal to the Alliance. It's pretty much always Alliance = Horde. And no faction will ever wipe out the other.

zealous basalt
#

I aggree

jade basalt
#

Everything would be solved if they just went to AU Draenor or, hell, Outland doesn't look that bad anymore with Nagrand and Terokkar. And Blade's Edge is basically Gorgrond, where some orcs used to live anyway.

tulip sun
#

Not all horde are from Outland

jade basalt
#

There are other races than orcs in the Horde ?!

#

Kidding. But without orcs and undead there'd probably be much less incentive to wage war already.

hollow dock
#

I mean

#

the tauren were 'allies' of the night elves before the horde.

#

the darkspeardidn't know the others existed

#

the blood elves were content being secluded.

tulip sun
#

There is a lot of history to just wipe away

hollow dock
#

Honestly if you cycle out the orcs nad undead, the horde just has no reason to fight

tulip sun
#

Wouldn't say that.

jade basalt
#

It might be a bit too late now that each race lost their people to the Alliance and had time to develop a bit of hatred towards them

hollow dock
#

Oh now? probably.

#

Well maybe the tauren would forgive

jade basalt
#

Though I guess even that didn't stop some blood elves from rejoining the Alliance

#

And undead

hollow dock
#

The blood elves did want out and some of them did end up joining the alliance.

#

despite the 'long history to overwrite'

jade basalt
#

Umbric says his loyalties always were towards Silvermoon rather than the Horde

zealous basalt
#

Well

#

They could speak

#

Like

#

Both races are intelligent

hollow dock
#

and the horde hasn't always been good for Silvermoon. not that the alliance is that much better.

jade basalt
#

They do speak.. with weapons

zealous basalt
#

Humans could ask for apologies for how garithos wqs with kael

hollow dock
#

but still. it's nice to see there's dissidence in the races.

zealous basalt
#

...even if judging a whole race because one person is still stupid

hollow dock
#

Garithos is an unknown though

#

and 100%

zealous basalt
#

Hah

#

Bait taken dab

hollow dock
#

he's not the reason the elves joined the horde

#

enough of that

uncut vault
#

looks like the ptr patch from earlier is already live

hollow dock
#

Yup, it was a hotfix patch it seems

zealous basalt
#

Do all hotfoxes go through ptr?

tulip sun
#

So much for 8.1 in ptr?

zealous basalt
#

It was a hotfix

uncut vault
#

probably coming tomorrow

dense plover
#

^

heavy cairn
#

@dense plover I got my boat, and as I suspected, in my case they had to manually check eligibility. Waiting would mean I wouldn't get it (just like the stupid patron of war title that I waited ages for before submitting a ticket, then never got).

dense plover
#

Huh

#

I’ll post a ticket too, since I am on a renewing 6mongh, but it doesn’t renew until November

tulip sun
#

I am on renewing and got it

zealous basalt
#

I wonder how many people renew monthly

dense plover
#

People who have less money at once

tulip sun
#

I renew every 6

dense plover
#

Btw, can someone ping me if ptr goes out? I’m going to be offline but get notifications when pinged

tulip sun
#

I will

#

Should be today

dense plover
#

Might not be

tulip sun
#

Unless they decided to push it back

dense plover
#

The goal was this week

#

If not today then Monday or Tuesday

#

Things go wrong

#

So we shall see

#

Uh

tulip sun
#

Ya

dense plover
#

So it might be going out literally right now

tulip sun
#

What

#

WHAT

#

Are you serious?

dense plover
#

Maaaaybe

zealous basalt
#

Let me check it

dense plover
#

Unsure

#

My secondary channels are posting download images

#

But it’s unclear

zealous basalt
#

I'll update this thing and will let you know

dense plover
#

Yep

#

Confirmed with sources

#

Ptr 8.1

hollow dock
#

Huhmine hasn't updated yet

dense plover
#

Might need to force an update

zealous basalt
#

So mine is big update

dense plover
#

Yep

#

13.8gb

zealous basalt
#

Am hyped

#

so

#

class got changed already?

#

Or not yet?

#

speaking in a ptr manner

dense plover
#

We don’t know

#

Datamining is taking a bit

#

Mmo champ database stuff is kind of broken sort of

#

It’s being worked on

zealous basalt
#

Pls monk stuff

dense plover
#

Should get stuff soon

zealous basalt
#

But anyways...when are we going to be able to get into the raid?

dense plover
#

Monk isn’t that bad

#

Raid testing will probably not be on this ptr

zealous basalt
#

snaps fingers¨

#

Doggone it

hollow dock
#

wont be for a few ptrs man

dense plover
#

But we should see models, dungeon journal and maps

hollow dock
#

you even said why hat is

#

class changes

zealous basalt
#

I hope that leak was a lie

strange falcon
#

we got the PTR 8.1?

hollow dock
#

No

#

we didn't

tulip sun
#

Ya we did

zealous basalt
#

Can kuntfirm

hollow dock
#

Don't listen to mak

#

the child knows not what he speaks

zealous basalt
#

peach also confirmed it too

hollow dock
#

no he didn't

#

fake news

zealous basalt
#

I think too many hats are screwing with that brain

hollow dock
#

No they're not

#

Just because of that

#

Im getting more hats

dense plover
#

We do

#

Ptr 8.1 is going out

zealous basalt
#

My download died

hollow dock
#

no its not

dense plover
#

I’m not making this up

#

But

hollow dock
#

Don't listen to em

#

They're lying

dense plover
#

They may have just pulled the download

hollow dock
#

fake news media

tulip sun
#

No

#

It is out

dense plover
#

They put something in that shouldn’t have gone in

tulip sun
#

Wait what

#

O.o

dense plover
#

So uh

#

It might get pulled

tulip sun
#

Lol

proper compass
#

the install was borked

dense plover
#

Or a new one might get pushed

proper compass
#

it referenced a local file path

tulip sun
#

Poor Blizz

dense plover
#

Either way, at least 30+ min until we start getting viewable changes

zealous basalt
#

So in short

hollow dock
#

no 8.1 ptr

#

bam

zealous basalt
#

Someone fucked it and put something when the time wasn't up

#

May explain why it just died

proper compass
#

it just wasnt launchable.. nbd

dapper talon
#

If 8.1 PTR is real tonight, hopefully they've put early information data about playable classes for Kul'tirans and Zandalar.

proper compass
#

i pulled the whole thing already

hollow dock
#

Im calling it now

#

all classes

#

except

#

paladin, warlock, DH, DK

#

for both

tulip sun
#

So think we still get it today?

terse patrol
#

REEEEEE

dapper talon
#

Zandalari: Everything except Monk and/or Warlock

proper compass
#

for sure...

dapper talon
#

They gonna go Dark Iron with class availability

#

lotsa options.

hollow dock
#

The only issue is that there's 0 demon presence

#

at least in Kul tiras

#

not sure about Zandalar

#

I imagine they dont have warlocks either

zealous basalt
terse patrol
#

i’d hope for kul tiran paladin but i doubt it

zealous basalt
#

Nah

#

Kul tirans don't do light stuff

hollow dock
#

Kul Tirans broke off before that whole "Paladin" stuff happened

tulip sun
#

Zandalari defiantly will get practically everything except Warlock and monk

#

And hero

terse patrol
#

Daelin had a paladin when he arrived at Theramore

tulip sun
#

Classes

zealous basalt
#

And pally

hollow dock
#

He had a paladin

dapper talon
#

There is rare sight of Warlock in Zenlam from what I've found out, so Warlock has slightly higher chance
Mostly Monk has lower chances because of bad ties with Pandaren.

hollow dock
#

that doesn't make a shit ton of Kul tiran SEA PRIESTS turn paladin

zealous basalt
#

Although

#

If they make Voljin the Loa of Kings with Talanji as leader and somehow make the prelates a big thing again

#

yes pallies

#

Hmm, does bnet have some sort of bug?

#

or graphical glitch?

dapper talon
#

Vol'jin going to make biggest shady trick in Troll lore history ever - reviving all lost loa at end of first 8.1 raid.

#

Calling it now

zealous basalt
#

nah

#

I saw it

dapper talon
#

Personally only clinging on Vol'jin feels off, but only we've seen him doing Loa things has been giving guidance to Talanji before speech cutscene.

#

Own opinion can change depending what's in 8.1 whole story

#

Just hoping he's got more plans compared to what he managed to do in WoD.

zealous basalt
#

Managed to do as Warchief*

dapper talon
#

It was missed opportunity when he wasn't given spotlight any more once he got title of Warchief.

zealous basalt
#

This 8.00 gb remaining at 0 b/s is pissing me off

proper compass
#

youre not missing anything

#

unless you were going to datamine

strange falcon
#

the 0/b is just a display bug

#

it happens when you interrupt somehow the download

proper compass
zealous basalt
#

"o game server"

#

that craks me

tulip sun
#

They can still dataamine tho right?

#

Lol

proper compass
#

should be able to

zealous basalt
hollow dock
#

ah got my update

zealous basalt
#

@hollow dock

#

MOONKIN

tulip sun
#

OH MY GOD

#

Oh my god

zealous basalt
#

FOR KUL TIRAN

hollow dock
#

HA

#

GET FUCKED

#

THAT GUY ON 4CHAN

#

WHO SAID "no kul tiran druids they got scrapped"

#

Zandalari and Highmountain Tauren forms are still being processed, check here soon!

#

HM TAUREN ARE GETTING UPDATES

zealous basalt
silk sable
#

kfc

tulip sun
#

WHAT

#

Highmountain getting some love!!

tawny root
#

8.1 Darkspear - Icecrown - The Frozen Throne (ZTO) - Help the Spirit of Vol'jin confront the Lich King.

tulip sun
#

O.o

hollow dock
#

NEW THEORY

tulip sun
#

What the

hollow dock
#

Bwonsamdi's boss

#

is The Lich king

#

Voljin found out

zealous basalt
#

noes

silk sable
#

its sargeras

#

smh

zealous basalt
#

Would that mean that he would be slapping bwonsambi later?

#

Those people in the post

#

i stg

dense plover
#

Dat Druid form

hollow dock
#

Dont read the wowhead comments

#

you lose brain cells

#

very rapidly

zealous basalt
#

spams the shit out of f5

terse patrol
#

While I would have preffered something more like the wicker golems, I think its fine.

silk sable
#

i was hoping for a wickerman boomy form

dense plover
#

That’s what it is

zealous basalt
#

Well, moonkin can doo the bogeyman

dense plover
#

It’s a wickery living death boomkin

terse patrol
#

be female kul tiran

dense plover
#

In the same style as the other kul tiran Druid forms

terse patrol
#

sex change into fatman wicker boi

tulip sun
#

Come on wow

#

Hurry up the detaining xD

#

Datamining

zealous basalt
#

f5

hollow dock
#

I dont have to hit f5

#

you all do it fo rme

#

<3

silk sable
hollow dock
#

nah it looks to different

#

and doesn't have the same animations

silk sable
#

doesnt zandalari get the arakkoa model from WoD though

zealous basalt
#

No idea

strange falcon
#

yes they do

zealous basalt
#

What is the bear form of the szandalari?

strange falcon
#

it's a turtle

#

with spikes

silk sable
zealous basalt
#

thats

#

not a turtle with spikes

#

thats seems like an ankylosaurus

hollow dock
#

Oh no he's right

#

huh

silk sable
#

druidosaurus

hollow dock
#

Completely forgot about that

zealous basalt
#

AW

#

Capibaras

dense plover
#

That is the cutest capybara

#

In the entire universe

tropic trail
#

aquatic form of zandalari is a mosasaurus!

zealous basalt
#

SEA FORM FOR MONS?

dense plover
#

So cool

zealous basalt
#

ADKLSFAS

#

NEW TYRANDE MODEL?!

tulip sun
#

OH MY GOD

hollow dock
#

Im happy

tulip sun
#

THAT YRANDE MODEL

#

OH MY GO

hollow dock
#

WAIT WHAT

sullen dagger
#

woah

#

looks rad

zealous basalt
#

Note, eyes should glow

zealous basalt
sullen dagger
#

also, she hit the benches loke a fuckton

hollow dock
#

I LOVE IT

sullen dagger
#

she's hinda ripped xD

hollow dock
#

She's been that ripped for her life dude

zealous basalt
#

actually

#

she looks nice

#

Like really nice

hollow dock
#

She's a warrior prietess.

silk sable
#

Sylvanas, enraged that Saurfang didn't kill Malfurion, burned Teldrassil.

didnt she burn to send a message to the nelfs 🤔

zealous basalt
#

No

sullen dagger
#

wat?

zealous basalt
#

Well, part and part

hollow dock
#

OK so

#

to explain

sullen dagger
#

she did in pure rage

hollow dock
#

She didn't do it in rage

#

she did it out of spite

#

there is a difference

sullen dagger
#

seethe?

hollow dock
#

Sylvanas realized that her plans failed

#

th night elven people

#

were not broken

silk sable
#

oh yeah

hollow dock
#

So if she couldn't destroy their hope through Malfurion

#

she would through their home

zealous basalt
#

And mostly because she wouldn't waste time trying to capture something that wouldn't be captureable

sullen dagger
#

seethe -> kinda like cold non-expressed rage

silk sable
#

thats kinda what i meant but words are hard

sullen dagger
#

also fuck world deffences

zealous basalt
#

spams f5 again

tropic trail
#

malfurion

terse patrol
#

“Tyrande's Ascension”

#

She’s becoming Elune’s avatar

#

Calling it

zealous basalt
#

She gonna

hollow dock
#

MALFURION IN BEAR FORM LOOKS GOOD

#

WHY

#

WHY DID THEY DO THAT

#

NOW I DONT WANT HIM TO DIE

zealous basalt
#

Ei des

#

i am going to trigger you

#

so bad

#

someone at wowhead

#

s she still going to be screeching on about her "beloved" like some co-dependant numpty?

hollow dock
#

how does that trigger me?

#

it's a wowhead comment

#

I ignore those

dusky ginkgo
#

I love the hairstyle on that Tyrande model

hollow dock
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it's 2 nelf ones spliced together

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I love it

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let us do that now bliz

north storm
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will have it too.

dusky ginkgo
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WARBRAIDS

north storm
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in a few decades

zealous basalt
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it gives her a more young appeareance tbh

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taps fingers

tulip sun
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OH MY GOD

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MEKKATORQUE IS RAID BOSS

zealous basalt
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WAT

tulip sun
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AND LOA COUNCIL

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OH MY GOSH

zealous basalt
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WHEN

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WHAT

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WHEN

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WHERE

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NO

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MEKKATORQUE

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yells

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NOOOOOO

hollow dock
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link

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now

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Makore

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I demand links

zealous basalt
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But

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it was kham

tulip sun
hollow dock
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I got kham on block to avoid fighting with them

zealous basalt
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top 10 zooms in story

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Welll 2 bad

tulip sun
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Lol

zealous basalt
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boi

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i don't see shit

hollow dock
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neither do I

tulip sun
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Makore, you don't see my image?

zealous basalt
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i cant

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read

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its too small

tulip sun
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Open it

north storm
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"Zidormi - Travel through time to another point in Arathi Highlands' history."

zealous basalt
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i did

north storm
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Please let's go back to ancient times of strom

zealous basalt
north storm
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I want to see the old version of stromgarde

tulip sun
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Grrr

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Ok

north storm
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I can read that

tulip sun
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One moment

north storm
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you just need horse glasses

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that vault guardian should be made a pet

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or a companion something.

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so I can RP a jew

zealous basalt
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holy shit

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THAT HORSE

north storm
hollow dock
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Whao

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Arthas

north storm
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shabbath shalom

hollow dock
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Don't be using that language

zealous basalt
tulip sun
north storm
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Make Strom great again

tulip sun
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Better?

north storm
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screw stromgarde