the one we saw in the cinematic is what nzoth wants to show
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
dense plover
^
jovial coral
Azshara had yellow eyes?
jovial coral
Looks like she had yellow eyes then she got transformed and then the eyes are more red
hollow dock
yes
she was one of the few born with golden eyes
golden eyes in night elf culture meant that you were destined for greatness
terse patrol
Those with an aptitude for druidism get them too
jovial coral
Hmm, okay
heavy cairn
[Altered] Rezan, source of Zandalari Paladin powers, was turned into an undead and then slain by the players
any remaining Zandalari Paladins that had power weren't really faithful
they instead relied on something else like Elune or the Light, but that's not what a true Zandalari Paladin would do and thus they were shunned
twin remnant
i want to kill myself.
heavy cairn
@twin remnant pretty sure Rezan's power was consumed in a way comparable to the Zul'drak loa
though his skeleton was then reanimated, it's obvious whatever monster it was wasn't a loa
even King Rastakhan or Talanji (I forget) says "whatever that is, it's not a loa!"
twin remnant
a loa is a spirit
heavy cairn
and his spirit was consumed by Zul
zealous basalt
we don't know that
heavy cairn
not necessarily?
twin remnant
yeah but
zealous basalt
Consume his essence entirely
twin remnant
loa are just wild gods with a special name
zealous basalt
Which means there is nothing left for him
twin remnant
malorne's spirit was released after the demon that emprisoned him was kiled
heavy cairn
as far as I am aware, converting a soul to magic is an irreversible process, unless it's some weird situation like Frostmourne which relies on intact souls
heavy cairn
demon intended to imprison him rather than consume him and use the power for magic
ummmmm
mortals did absorb loa
in Zul'drak
twin remnant
yeah but they were buffed by lich
heavy cairn
and Zul is buffed by G'huun
zealous basalt
Sadly
No Zandalari Paladins
Unless they become simple pallies
and not loa pallies
leaden garden
An'she
night swift
That’d honestly be a very dumb way to introduce zandapalas
uncut vault
unless they go the really obvious way and do voljin loa as their new loa of kings
because it seems like he basically is
zealous basalt
2much op pls nerf
leaden garden
Why would it be dumb? The Horde is there trying to convince the Zandalari Empire to lend them their navy. The Prelates of Rezan (The King of Loa and the Loa of Kings) lose their power when Rezan is slain. The Horde, in attempting to gain the favor of the empire as a whole, introduces these Holy Warriors to the Sunwalkers, who introduce them to An'she.
The Prelates see An'she as a Loa capable of restoring their power and helping them vanquish Zul's forces
uncut vault
because forcing interesting and new cultures into the homogenous state of worshipping the human light is dumb
which is what the sunwalkers are now, post-legion
leaden garden
Not... really.
zealous basalt
And honestly
if they became sunwalker trolls
I better just make a tauren paladin
leaden garden
The Sunwalkers allied with the Silver Hand because they don't really belong with the other druids. Sunwalkers don't go into the Emerald Dream so there's no reason for them to go to the grove with the rest of them
The Silver Hand on the other hand wields a power very similar to theirs and has goals likened to theirs with the Legion invasion
uncut vault
Im not talking about who they allied with
Im talking about Aponi, their leader, actually saying theyre learning about the Light from them
leaden garden
And that's bad? Learning new ways to harness their abilities is bad...
tulip sun
They still worship and use Anshe
leaden garden
^
uncut vault
not gonna argue it anymore. Luckily, blizzard wont do an idea that stupid to the zandalari.
tulip sun
They just learn OF the light
leaden garden
They technically already did. Prelates/Freethinkers have been in the lore since Vanilla/BC
And then they ultra-confirmed it by adding Prelate NPCs in BFA
zealous basalt
If Vol'jin becomes the new Loa of Kings
leaden garden
The only thing they haven't done is make them playable
zealous basalt
And becomes the source of zandalins
that would make lots of people play zandalins because of it
leaden garden
Would be awesome, but unlikely given that Vol'jin was a Shadowhunter and got his power from Bwonsomdi
uncut vault
tfw "this loa whos literally glowing with light provides light" is unlikely, but zandalari becoming homogenous light worshippers from tauren isnt
🤔
leaden garden
Your argument so far has been "That's stupid, learning from others is stupid, zandaladins is stupid"
uncut vault
no, the zandalari prelates are great
leaden garden
Nor would Zandalari become homogenous light worshippers even if the Tauren were
uncut vault
an'she is literally just the light, and how they channel it now. in Legion, theyve been shown that anshe is just the light
leaden garden
One sect of their society, that is already familiar with wielding the light, would be learning from a sect of the Horde that currently wields the light through, what the Trolls would consider, a loa
uncut vault
who needs interesting and new cultures when you can force them into ones we've seen a hundred times over 🤔
have fun with the idea I guess
you can RP a docile sunwalker zandalari if you want
leaden garden
Except they haven't been forced into it, your only point of contention is that the Sunwalkers' leader said "we're learning more about the light from humans" that's not forcing Sunwalkers into the bottle of Light-worshipping priests-in-plate
You're taking an inch and running a mile, my dude lol
Who's that guy who complains about everything on YouTube? MichaelDoesLife or something like that
sullen dagger
okokokokokokook
i just saw th warbringers
so this xpac is all about alliancevs horde
right?
right?
kekekekekee
THE BLACK EMPIRE IS COMING GUYSE
dense plover
i mean
the vision we see of the black empire is from the past
also, that was azshara's origin story
i think they just wanted to have people know why she is what she is before she shows up
sullen dagger
eh...
and where we will fightnzoth
on the sea?
not likely
on the black empire?
cause on nagas capital is unlikely aswell since he's still imprisioned
dense plover
black empire is gone
and exactly
nzoth is still imprisoned
so we arent fighting him yet
azshara is the next end boss
so thats probably going to be nazjatar
ideally with a dungeon or two
sullen dagger
eh
i'd say azhsara will be like guldan
ith some baddies left to kill before the xpac finish
strange falcon
blizz pretty much confirmed at blizzcon last year,that azshara was going to be the gul'dan of bfa
aka 2nd raid
jovial coral
Then N'zoth seems to be next or is he?
leaden garden
They pretty much ceased the xpac being all about the race-war when they started showcasing more Titan stuff/G'huun in Nazmir
strange falcon
the faction war stuff,was just a thing to boost sales at launch e.e
zealous basalt
tho im liking it
night swift
At least the faction war is getting acknowledgment again
We kinda put it off for a few xpacs
dense plover
i think people are overanalyzing
people keep saying she made nzoth submit to her
no she didnt
she made a counter offer, and nzoth made the smart choice
dense plover
pretty much
he is infinitely stronger than she is
giving her a little power to get her on his side?
and an army?
sullen dagger
like ok lets not call you a slave, but a queen ( but you will serve me tho)
dense plover
who wouldnt make that deal
she serves at her pleasure though
he doesnt control her
sullen dagger
that she knows,no
but the void is insiduous and patient
like the sith
or the tau
fucking tau man
night swift
warframe tau?
sullen dagger
warhammer
dense plover
theres no benefit to enslaving her if she wants your power
sullen dagger
40k
night swift
oh lol
night swift
Oh so they'll fuck your day up
strange falcon
my favorite race in warhammer are the necrons e.e
sullen dagger
they will fuck things up somehow
heavy cairn
gnomes are for punting
sullen dagger
INFIDEL
THE EMPEROR GOD IS THE ONLY ANSWER
but yes,gnomes and goblins are a threat to any near life
zealous basalt
@fiery shale The Warfronts atm are South Barrens and Arathi
With Arathi being a victory for Alliance as we push towards Gilneas
zealous basalt
not yet
fiery shale
Besides when visiting these areas they all look like cataclysm.
zealous basalt
Part of Arathi was still for the Horde, while Alliance only had a small part
Now we are kicking Horde entirely from Arathi and moving towards the other areas
fiery shale
So how is Alliance suppose to reach the Barrens?
Theremore is gone. So no port.
the place is landlocked.
hollow dock
The alliance moved down into Arathi trailing Sylvanas' remaining forces
After Arathi is dealt with, the alliance sets up camp in the barrens. There are quests with the alliance snooping around Theramore's bomb site to make a new port near it and re-establish the fort garrosh destroyed. that's how it goes Mak.
er
not really quests
they're missions you send the troops out on
fiery shale
If there is a New Theramore then I will buy BFA for sure. Until then I have almost 3 expansions of catching up to do.
statements from Ythisens and Ion worry me though.
zealous basalt
Not in a few xpacs for sure
hollow dock
what's not in a few expacs?
zealous basalt
Oh he said that he will buy BFa when ther eis a new theramore
hollow dock
Who? o= I have em on block and I don't read my blocked stuff
zealous basalt
grine
hollow dock
Oooh.
Well tis likely we'll see either a new Theramore base being built up
or a new Fort in the Barrens itself
fiery shale
barrens is just such a horrible zone though
very slim
land locked
cut in half due to cataclysm
alliance and horde bases located in the middle of the map.
Not a lot of space to do anything.
uncut vault
northern half of southern barrens is the perfect size for a warfront, assuming the alliance builds a new base north of taurajo
hollow dock
I imagine it's in the place of Fort what its name that was destroyed
fiery shale
So I did a little fast photoshop of the battle map.
The faction icons are the potential warfront bases.
The Black is obviously not included and the Grey is a dead zone. Because it is so segregated from the rest of the map.
This is assuming Dustwallow marshes is included.
If the alliance gets that choke for Northwatch then this will be worse than Alteract Valley
dense plover
oh no
waist of time comes from doing secret stuff
that means its difficult and/or time consuming
uncut vault
likely not gonna be any of those for Alliance as the actual warfront base, since we have Taurajo confirmed (unless they decide to completely redo the zone), and none of those are close enough or visible from taurajo
fiery shale
I agree they wont be redoing zones but the base being visible from one side to the other seems like a very odd requirement.
uncut vault
there needs to be a short, wide space between the two bases
dense plover
^
uncut vault
for all three lanes
terse patrol
Good, I can do a Chronomancer transmog now
fiery shale
@uncut vault Except there is no space to make that happen.
the whole area is way too thin... unless both bases are located in the middle. With one of them in the north and the other in the south. Kind of like Alteract valley.
uncut vault
there is space, north of taurajo
which is why its likely alliance will build a new base
opposite of horde in arathi
we also know the alliance base will be north of taurajo anyways, as one of the middle lanes is alliance forward command
terse patrol
My guess is, due to the mission table quest for the Alliance
The Alliance rebuilds Theramore and the mountains between Barrens and Dustwallow get fucking blasted.
By azerite bombs
fiery shale
@terse patrol too much effort by blizzard
uncut vault
too large a distance
terse patrol
And Southern Barrens and Dustwallow are unified as a zone
dense plover
and theyll make it a fancy night elf base ala warcraft 3
they arent unified
they copied a chunk of map
uncut vault
that would span the entirety of dustwallow to fit it in the barrens, and they wont phase dustwallow marsh two times over
terse patrol
They unified Alterac and Hillsbrad back in Cataclysm.
dense plover
they also copied half of mulgore
they arent going to unify a zone
phasing that would be a mess
terse patrol
Guess we’ll see.
uncut vault
the map is just a big cutout to work with the map, the areas around southern barrens arent relevant
dense plover
^
its the same thing they did with arathi and silithus
cut out a huge area
with the single zone at the center
this ensures that you can work on zone transitions if they need to change as well
or make sure dungeon entrances arent fucked
like in silithus with ahn qiraj
fiery shale
I honestly dont see how they can put a impressive fort in that forest.
zealous basalt
they are going to surprise us for sure
fiery shale
If its a frigging camp... i swear to god...
uncut vault
I mean, night elves use trees pretty often, and I’ll bet quite a bit that the night elves will be involved in the Kalimdor warfront
Will be severely disappointing if they aren’t
fiery shale
Ugh dont remind me of them. That poor race has been raped and pillaged by Blizzard
their characters suck now, their areas are pretty much all destroyed and their presence in BFA is non-existent with the whole burning of teldrassil being pivotal and all.
hollow dock
they're still freeing up Ashenvale
SO when they get that done
we'll see their arrows pointed at Orgrimmar most likely
zealous basalt
Holy
Vris
Did you see that video of what happens when you reach revered with Champions?
strange falcon
big spoilers
zealous basalt
Wonder what will happen when we reach exalted
dense plover
maybe nothing?
and then like have something in a later patch for those who have reached exalted?
i mean, it has to be story that isnt going to happen asap
since most people arent revered yet
heavy cairn
I'm happy with 750 rep + whatever from missions or extra commendations a day, don't need to grind wqs hardcore anymore now, so ye I'm not revered
I'm almost there though, like 2200 away
jovial coral
Do you think sargeras's sword created a landmass on the other side of the planet?
fiery shale
He never went in all the way but realistically the planet is screwed regardless
scientifically speaking. I am not sure why that whole area is not a giant volcano.
jovial coral
Well it might be. And if there is any Azerite around I imagine the land can look similar to the emerald dream, until sentient beings start fighting over it.
dense plover
XD the dark iron recruitment test has a harry potter reference
i love it
huh
so the dark iron scenario
takes place before motherlode
dense plover
yeah, one of the bosses is there
so i guess they still dark iron azerite refining technique
and thats whats being sold to gallywix
damn
gallywix got double fucked
Rixxa fluxflame
the 3rd motherlode boss i think
yeah
she leaves
so it definitely happens before
yep
and anvil broken and azerite sample taken
so that confirms that dark irons were canonically recruited before horde goes to motherlode
which explains why they are on zandalar
yep, you visit the motherlode and stuff
this clarifies a crap load of story
good job blizzard
huh
it actually has you run the dungeon
damn
this might be the best ally recruitment scenario
motherlode story connection, molten core
if there are twilight cultists, i will be so happy
dense plover
no cultists in molten core
but some kind of cultists in firelands
yeah, theyre trying to rez ragnaros
zealous basalt
do they succeed?
zealous basalt
Those words of Ion towards Scaling
dense plover
the fucking responses though
just, the gall to disagree with a game dev who literally has all the data and you literally dont
they can literally graph how long it takes people to kill mobs at different ilvls for each spec - thats how much data they have
they use this to support these types of posts, and to decide if classes need buffs
dense plover
the amount of people that think they know more - these are people who nobody likes
you cant go around acting like you know everything unless you actually do
fiery shale
I would love Ion to explain how BfL was suppose to be the fist pumping of the Alliance side. Maybe hearing it from his end I would appreciate certain details that I may have missed because its a really crappy conclusion.
dense plover
and if you have anecdotes and not actual data, then you dont have the evidence to support what you say and need to shut up
fiery shale
Like is that going to be our only climax of this whole faction war thing?
dense plover
dude
its patch 8.0
the fuck are you even on about now?
still got a massive stick up your butt about how the alliance sucks and their story sucks?
dense plover
i wish
i would literally put documents in front of him
physical piles of documents
fiery shale
@dense plover Ion mentioned that the horde and alliance were now even after BfL that indicates to me the next major storyline is about Azashara and both factions joining up forces again.
I HOPE its not true.
dense plover
no side has better story
zealous basalt
1v1 me beotch, alliance is doing better than horde diplomatically
dense plover
when did Ion mention that grine?
fiery shale
@dense plover His Q & A.
dense plover
no he didnt
i watched that
"ill we see the social impact of the faction war on other races of Azeroth? e.g. Pandaren deal with the conflict.
Definitely. Both the Alliance and Horde are comprised with different races, and this conflict means something different to each of them."
fiery shale
You sure it was a whole thing on the forums. As the live discussion was happening.
dense plover
the forums are fucking worthless
people only go there to complain, so you only get 1 viewpoint
zealous basalt
forums are for people that whine
fiery shale
where would one get good info then?
dense plover
its like going to a political rally for one person and asking why there are no supporters for the other person
zealous basalt
from live q&a and nothing more
zealous basalt
Like
dense plover
vs opinion
zealous basalt
This thing that just happened about scaling
People are.
And sorry for breaking this rule
fucking retards
dense plover
people think they are right no matter what
zealous basalt
Because honestly
fiery shale
if its not true then that gives me some hope. I got the impression after BfL there is more to come because the faction war was basically blue balled with the plague. It wasn't really any sort of conclusion.
dense plover
"Will we see the social impact of the faction war on other races of Azeroth? e.g. Pandaren deal with the conflict.
Definitely. Both the Alliance and Horde are comprised with different races, and this conflict means something different to each of them."
zealous basalt
that knows how the expac goes
dense plover
they said the fucking opposite
conflict means something different to each race within each faction
thats it
thats all that was said
over on the forums, they extrapolated this to mean something it doesnt
fiery shale
@dense plover We honestly haven't even seen how NEs have dealt with it. The dwarves have been completely forgotten since forever cataclysm.
dense plover
Ion is literally just saying there is more story to tell from different perspectives
zealous basalt
and its 8.0
fiery shale
well next patch is going to be Arathi battle grounds right?
dense plover
no
thats in this patch
its not a battleground
its a warfront
it comes out sept 4
its an instance you run once a week
and then some world content
fiery shale
its like that world BG like in Wotlk. right?
fiery shale
Oh... When they said if your faction wins it and you get certain buffs i was under the impression its another BG type thing
fiery shale
alright well the more you know i guess.
zealous basalt
Arathi is a safe win for Alliance btw
dense plover
but it sort of auto switches after a few days
that too
im fairly certain since they are planning more warfronts, they will close one and open the next one
arathi is almost 100% guaranteed as an alliance win
next one is barrens
thats pretty much a guaranteed horde win
zealous basalt
Then Ig Gilneas
fiery shale
I was really hoping this is a world PVP event that you push the war front but I guess servers that are disproportionally horde or alliance would get all the new content.
dense plover
not just here
zealous basalt
Thinking that today they were going to advertise 8.1
dense plover
even though they pretty much said they wouldnt
fiery shale
hey I love PvE, dont get me wrong. Competitive Pvp is too much for me at this day and age. I just want to sit and relax.
dense plover
its fun content
zealous basalt
btw
dense plover
you do it once a week
zealous basalt
after the warfronts are done
dense plover
rewards are good
zealous basalt
the changes are permanent
dense plover
possibly
thats a theory
we actually dont know
but its likely one side will win
but world content will be available for all so that all those mounts and stuff dont go away
fiery shale
@dense plover I am just so busy though, I can barely spare a couple of hours a week.
how casual is it?
zealous basalt
I want to fire the developer that did this
dense plover
if you didnt play
zealous basalt
fiery shale
I meant is it like "Only sundays at 8pm" or is it any ime?
dense plover
as long as you try, it works
its 3 days/week
it cycles 3 days active on one faction->3 days world content/ 3 days active on the next faction ->3 days world content/3 days active on your faction
rinse and repeat
while its inactive and you dont have world content
you donate resources, gold, and/or mats, and get a good amount of rep and azerite
fiery shale
Well alright then, I just managed to level my human mage to level 110 from 88. (Not played for years) now just doing the BFA race requirements. So i have not purchased BfA yet. Really on the fence for now. To be fair they got me interested.
more than legion.
that one i played for 2 weeks
dense plover
its a good expansion
legion was a good expansion
zones are the best imo
WQs improved
good storylines
fun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fiery shale
shrug at the time I just could not deal with it. After Demon Hunter intro quest I just lost interest for whatever reason.
@dense plover Now that I am playing it. I have to say the most beautiful zones I have ever seen. I love the whole NE ruins since the breaking. I loved exploring Ashenvale and Feralas back in 2004 and 2005. I felt like an explorer.
The ONE thing that did piss me off... the ONE thing was little camps in front of Suramar for the BE, NE and HE.
fiery shale
Not sure what you are referencing.
uncut vault
Why did those camps piss you off?
fiery shale
@uncut vault Well in the cinematic the NE, BE and HE come out in force right? Like ancients, war engines and etc...
you go to the BE camp, they got, tents, palisades, wagons, crystal balls drawing energy, portals, soldiers running around and watnot.
You go to BE & HE camp. And you see 3 tents. 2 wagons and 8 flags.
I mean come on...
tranquil steeple
yeah in-game scale doesn't represent how big everything really is
fiery shale
yeah and how lopsided it is.
The BEs got good representation
if the NEs were not in the cinematic I would not care at all
but they were and their force was twice the size of everyone else but their camp was just...
sad
tranquil steeple
I agree that it's a bit "come on... you could've done better", but the way it was done was how it had to be done
fiery shale
was the a story reason for it?
maybe i missed it.
The thing is, its not that hard to do, just drag a few NE glaives, put down a few more tents/wagons and you are done.
probably an hour at most.
if we are really pushing it.
tranquil steeple
idk how the scale is with Suramar in-game vs lore/"reality", but usually there's a lack of things in the game because it's not as big as it's supposed to be, so to compensate they add less things around the world, aswell
the best example would probably be the amount of npcs compared to how many citizens there are in the major cities of both the factions
fiery shale
@tropic trail I dunno if its bias or just lack of priorities. Legion seems to be solely about alliance races and their lore.
Maybe equal faction representation is just not a goal for blizzard.
if two camps dont really look like they got the same attention when doing their level design then whatever, its not important. Whats important is X Y and Z.
uncut vault
I mean, the first half of Legion was basically all about horde races. The two relevant factions we help both go Horde
fiery shale
I don't think a developer is back there grumbling "for the horde" as he puts 3 tents and 2 wagons for the alliance. I think it just wasn't a priority.
@uncut vault Hm... I am currently grinding for these factions and to be honest with you these 4 races feel completely tacked on.
they could have been wardrobe styles
they just got categorized as "new races" for the sake of making BFA feel larger.
Hence why they skip the 1 to 20 levels
because otherwise they had to make starter zones for them.
zealous basalt
this turtle is stupid
fiery shale
I have played through them. Quiz me if you dont believe lol. But still they feel completely tacked on.
For example you got Light Forged that can be shadow priests.
or VEs that can be holy priests
Blizzard could have re-colored their spells but they didn't
Could have put a 1-20 zone but they didn't.
They just called them "Allied races" put them behind a rep grind and said these are new races with the same fanfare that all the other new races before them.
uncut vault
of all the complaints about the allied races, yours is the one as tiny as "these races have non-canon specs"?
fiery shale
My point is they were added with minimal effort after creating them in legion. Basically it was a "Hey we have these 4 races that we have all these assets for.... lets just tack them on with BFA and players would love it."
I have no clue about Dark Irons or the brown orcs but I am assuming the process is a little more complicated. At least I hope.
uncut vault
if you followed it through the xpac, you'd know that nightborne were built from scratch using the nelf skeleton
fiery shale
I mean thats what I said wasn't it? These things were made in Legion and tacked on for BFA because they were available.
As for the Nightborn. Yeah. They are completely unique. Kinda look crappy though but thats just my opinion.
uncut vault
and thats why they werent released during BfA
and were released during legion, seven months before BfA launched
they were a culmination of the Legion threat, and were given to us at the end of the legion threat
night swift
Velves I will agree feel a bit tacked on. But LF Draenei, Nigthborne, and HM Tauren are alright
fiery shale
Not sure if you are agreeing with me or not. But yes, what you said is accurate @uncut vault
@night swift I though Velves would look like Turalyon's girl forget the name) when she had dark void skin.
fiery shale
except in game we get pale blue with 1 or two tentacle hair styles
night swift
When their racial ability goes off
fiery shale
lame. They should have looked like that constantly.
considering how much of an absolute bitch it is to farm their reputation. I am almost revered with army of light but barely honored with Argussian reach or wtv its called
night swift
Well tbf Alleria doesn't have her skin like that 24/7 either
In fact its only during that one scene in the Seat of the Triumverate
fiery shale
yeah there is nothing Void about them... they really dont make much sense either. You got the hyper light worshippers joining the faction that allows in the ones that worship darkness itself.
besides how many elves dabble in void magic...? this thing should have been a class honestly.
uncut vault
it was their way of giving the high elf skeleton without actually giving high elves
night swift
^
Allied races are basically just giving factions the skeletons of opposite faction races
Granted both alliance and horde now have 2 of races they already have. DI Dwarves, LF Draenei, Maghar
Oh and Tauren
fiery shale
Guys am I crazy but I seriously remember that there used to be Wild Hammer and Dark Iron customization back in cataclysm.
night swift
Also dwarves technically have the red eye and pale skin option which is the old dark iron appearance
but no glowing hair
fiery shale
I though the dwarves were now united under the councile of 3 or whatever.
so they are all one big faction now.
night swift
Moira also sasses Anduin in the embassy saying the Dark Irons need the respect they deserve
So there seems to be tensions
steel venture
yeah despite being on the council
dark irons never were ""really"" alliance
they were treated as alliance as like
the jinyu were
basically auxiliary forces.
not legit members
uncut vault
the ones in ironforge are united, but not all dark irons followed moira
fiery shale
I kind of find it hard to argue this like we are analyzing some deep layered story like Mazalan book of the fallen.
zealous basalt
"According to Stormcaller Mylra, as of the Burning Legion's latest invasion the Twilight Highlands are overrun and the Wildhammer clan has been scattered."
fiery shale
it just seems like development conveniences to explain things at hte last minute
zealous basalt
About the wildhammer
uncut vault
yeah the wildhammer from cata are fucked
fiery shale
so the wildhammer clan is completely killed off but we still see them around.
uncut vault
but the main ones in ironforge are from the hinterlands
fiery shale
I am trying real hard to understand why it was necessary to kill them off camera
uncut vault
got a bit of payoff in BfA
theres a highlands wildhammer who flew as far away as he could, landed in tiragarde and became friends with the kul tirans
taught them how to wrangle and tame gryphons
fiery shale
so which sub species of horde faction was lost to the legion?
were they attacked at all?
zealous basalt
They lost their biggest element
fiery shale
element?
night swift
He lost connection with Doomhammer
zealous basalt
the once mighty thrall
night swift
which is why we take it
night swift
Uh not sure
The artifact knowledge says that the doomhammer was slowly getting weaker while he was using it
And that Garrosh's death dealt a heavy hit to Thrall and his connection with it
fiery shale
Wow
zealous basalt
And well, Aszhara got severe hits back in the pre-patch
fiery shale
Chris Metzen must be in shock. He lost his green jesus.
hollow dock
@zealous basalt It was mostly due to Thrall cheating. In which Metzen is what probably wrote out that whole deboggle..
Probably intended him to be redeemed in the Vol'jin questline
zealous basalt
ouch
fiery shale
""There are no stated rules on the use of magic, but, having been used in multiple Mak'gora duels in different stories and settings, it seems to be permitted.""
according to wowpedia its fine.
but.
If thrall dies a dog's death I will happily take Horde bias for the next 10 years.
fiery shale
nah I want him so badly humbled. so useless.
zealous basalt
no more relevance to the story
fiery shale
maybe a skinny orc doing janitorial work in the stockades
saying "work work" for the end of his days.
Yes I hate chris and blame him for the entirety of Cata -> MoP -> WoD story direction.
uncut vault
thrall losing his connection was a self-doubt issue
didnt see himself as worthy of using them
which was clearly a late addition post-nagrand due to player feedback on thrall's attitude
fiery shale
Honestly that whole Thrall vs Garrosh was lame as fuck.
hollow dock
hollow dock
I certainly didn't expect it. Which I like.
fiery shale
Why do the new arts make the females look like meth heads lol?
uncut vault
elves are generally a lot more gaunt and angled than other races
zealous basalt
I still prefer the high elven body type
night swift
I will agree with helf/belf/velf skeleton being good
zealous basalt
Well, night elf girls arent mean to be delicate but fierce warriors
Unlike the belf girls
hollow dock
all things considered, in the terms of elves, the Kaldorei-Night Elvesare far less "civilized" than any other elf type out there.
zealous basalt
Oog booga
zealous basalt
Wait is it really the axe?
steel venture
No, that was old concept art.
The axe was later given to the Warsong clan, look at it closely---It's reminiscent of the Gorehowl / Warsong Axe design
What Port kinda forgot to mention is that 90% of this isn't canon.
hollow dock
While its their concept, its still closer to what night elves should be.
The females mostly run things but not as proxy, the males are mostly silent but because theyre dreaming druids, etc
zealous basalt
Ooga booga
tropic trail
Tribal war drumming
night swift
Cause it was a legion item
strange falcon
so that 15 extra main stat for free
totally broke the game
"it's a legion item" isnt an excuse
night swift
Cause blizz totally hasn’t put level limits on things like this before
strange falcon
explain why the one-use augment rune from legion still works
and the infinite one doesnt
it's the fun police
thats what it is
hollow dock
Free infinite stat boosts are a no no. Why do you think things like thistle tea and Notchs brew still work if you saved them? @strange falcon Finite resources are fine.
tranquil steeple
really only sucks for the people who recently bought the infinite augment rune
hollow dock
In which,the fel focus and normal augment runes still work.
tranquil steeple
while I'm bummed that I can't use it at 120 on my pala who has it
I've used it enough to make it worth the price
and it is an understandable nerf/hotfix
night swift
Yeah its honestly a fair nerf
strange falcon
On “ Beachhead”, Vicious Albatrosses will now devour turtles in a new, more glorious way... Avert your eyes, ye of faint heart.
zealous basalt
Umbric's comments on Gallywix's palace
zealous basalt
Did someone explore the instanced Mare Magnum of the War Campaign thing?
hollow dock
probably not
zealous basalt
Gral seems really pissed with her
sullen dagger
question
when i gen some rewards
get*
to choose i mean
do i get all the tmogs?
or i need to run with an alter or whatever to get them?
well, its only the item ive selected
welp
uncut vault
you only get the one you chose for azerite quests
which sucks cause so far the golden t1 appearances are unobtainable elsewhere
zealous basalt
what we talking bout?
sullen dagger
rewards form missions
theres a set that is unnobtainable with only 1 char atm
thje golden "warfronts" one
zealous basalt
Ah
sullen dagger
7th legion set
sullen dagger
ding quests
in the main pqestline
problem is you cant get the full set with one character
which is a major fuckup
zealous basalt
Don't you get it later from wqs?
uncut vault
so far Ive gotten the aspirants gear from world stuff
zealous basalt
That convo between Wyrmbane and Mathias Shaw
uncut vault
wait so, do maghar get access to all of their color variants?
all the promo stuff keeps showing both the red and silver versions
zealous basalt
i think
zealous basalt
Hmm
Vris
Why would a dragon help the horde? (refering to Anachronos with the Shard9
uncut vault
from what I can see, its a personal thing on anachronos' part
correcting the mistakes kairoz made with the AU
boils his blood to think about kairoz and the damage he caused, sending us through the attunement of the shard knowing we're the worthy person to correct his mistake
uncut vault
well, we synch the timeline back with ours in the correct fashion
zealous basalt
You know, now that I think, the dragons being divided by dragonflights in the past is now obsolete
zinc sandal
Dragons are obsolete. Full stop.
zealous basalt
They are more safe disbanded than together in one place if you think about it
zinc sandal
Fite meh
zealous basalt
points down
zealous basalt
That salute that blood elves female have
...Its not good for Sylvanas
And it is sad to see that WoD was completely overtrashed now
sigh They have to make Yrel lawful evil so the Horde could have new meat for the grinder
tender pelican
well
Lightbound is pretty much antithetical to Black Empire.
current alternate draenor (corrupted with light) = newborn azeroth (corrupted with void)
too much light might destroy the planet, same way as void does. i think i'm wrong.
both lightbound and black empire share same goal: to conquer the whole planet itself
zealous basalt
Still, making them just go that way, how much time happen between WoD and now?
uncut vault
A year or so in our time, thirty years their time
zealous basalt
And why didnt this happen before the Legion made the Orcs bloodthirsty
What a way to send yrel to the trash
tender pelican
🅱oi yrel is in parallel with azshara
zealous basalt
Right now in this biased horde shit, before she seemed to be s righteous Paladin and not whatever they did to her
Basically it's just trash for Alliance
But hey
Gotta make horde relevant somehow
tender pelican
that feels like alternate Xe'ra is easily comparable with N'zoth
that both Yrel and Azshara follow
zealous basalt
That would mean that her creator is evil too
tender pelican
yes... if you know that state of current alternate draenor, that would be example of how azeroth used to be
i guess i'm the only one who pointed out
tender pelican
...and it needs to be balanced
zealous basalt
Way to trash it for Horde Bias, blizzard
tulip sun
V.v
heavy cairn
@zealous basalt oculeth is a telemancer, not a chronomancer (as he says in the questline). I presume he didn't or couldn't focus on some set time when channeling Vision of Time, so we ended up at present day but still in the alternate universe.
WoD was in an alternate universe and 35 years ago. this is 35 years later, meaning it's present day (even if still in an alternate universe).
--
Anachronos: I sense the threads of fate upon you. You are indeed worthy of what is to come next.
Anachronos: Had there been any doubt, I would never have allowed to fall into the wrong hands. Not again.
Anachronos: Go. Return to Oculeth. With the shard restored, he can send you to the place you seek.
in response to your question on why bronze dragon would help, look at these quotes.
it's most likely something bigger, given "I sense the threads of fate upon you. You are indeed worthy of what is to come next."
this is quite interesting, because we are pretty much doing the same as what Garrosh did, just for the Horde instead of a smaller subset (True Horde / Iron Horde).
Anachronos has some sort of unspecified reason for letting us go to Draenor
I believe that said unspecified reason might be to strengthen the Horde, to balance out the Alliance. Though most Allied Races come from Azeroth and both factions have equal chance at recruiting them, the Lightforged Draenei (i.e. Army of the Light) kind of came out of nowhere and immediately sided with the Alliance once the war with the Legion was over. The Horde needs something to balance the Alliance's advantage.
Unlike the other races, nothing much had to be done to recruit the Lightforged Draenei. The Alliance champion helped out one of them in their trials, but that was just being nice. They were going to join Alliance anyway.
Well, I didn't actually watch the Dark Iron Dwarf recruitment scenario.
Alright, so with them it's a similar thing (skimming over the article about it). They are already in the Alliance. So the Horde is disadvantaged, they spent time recruiting Nightborne, Highmountain Tauren, but got Mag'har Orcs relatively easily (champion did all the heavy lifting, Mag'har Orcs had nowhere else to go when Lightbound army came). Alliance already had the effective full trust of 2/3 (Dark Irons, Lightforged) of their allied races pre-BFA.
Regardless--for gameplay purposes, this so-called "effort balance" probably doesn't matter. So long as the number of races is the same, the factions will be "balanced."
I might be thinking too much into this, but time to move on.
The factions need to be at maximum strength now so that after their war rages on for a while and the inevitable big threat arises there will be an army to counter it.
Anachronos knows that thus helps the Horde strengthen their army. As I said, Alliance has had a much easier time recruiting allies than the Horde. Anachronos helps them out for balance purposes. If the Horde is defeated, it will come at a cost too large (for the Alliance; most likely leadership or military vessel cost) to defend Azeroth against inevitable big threat. That is why this "balance" is important.
Speculation End.
Definitely feel free to criticize, there's a reason I'm not working at Blizzard hehe.
tender pelican
@sullen dagger i'll gonna summarise this: alliance seem too overpowered, so anachronos wants to reinforce more horde to maintain balance between factions.
tender pelican
that's how horde player PoV told
you may notice that most of members of horde were used to be aligned with burning legion (blood elves, orcs, nightborne) and scourge (forsaken undead); some races took revenge by human invasion from their homelands (trolls), tauren simply willing to join horde at the expense of their night elven relationships.
alliance, seem too good and they acted as police in azeroth.
you know that zandalari trolls have distrust of elves, what makes their relationship worse to them is when kal'dorei joined the alliance.
i'm unsure about shal'dorei and sin'dorei, both freed from burning legion.
hollow dock
It's not to black empire
that's not the correlation they're making
it's the opposite to Ghoulish Daniel and the Fel Horde that overtook draenor
My friend a lot of your relationship stuff is wrong.
The Zandalari don't distrust them
they hate them
the Kaldorei<--- spelt this way btw, dethroned the Zandalari empire.
They very much have always hated them.
The Tauren joined the horde because Thrall saved them from going extinct to the Centaur, the night elves and the Tauren lived entirely independently of each other since the well of eternity exploded. The only exception are their druids which are neutral and in the cenarion circle.
The Shal'dorei joined the horde because of their similarities with the Sin'dorei, being more aligned with their plight than the Kaldorei ever were. Though at the time they joined not expecting to go straight into another war and come out as conquerors. So a bit hypocritical of Thalryssa.
heavy cairn
@sullen dagger horde had an edge in pure technological and strategical terms at beginning of BFA (first azerite war machine, burning down tree, almost trapping alliance leaders in Lordaeron Keep), but they pretty much lost it. Nightborne and Highmountain Tauren were very good choices of allies due to the skillsets they brought, but the main turning point would be recruiting the Zandalari. this is where things took a turn for the worst. obviously, Zandalar was not going to help right away, but by the time the Champion proved their worth and they might have, Zandalari were drastically weakened (Rezan dead, most of navy taken over by Zulians / Mogu). meanwhile, alliance literally has a leader (Jaina Proudmoore) in the highest leadership position possible for Kul Tiras, and the Kul Tirans' famous navy is in the harbor, as good as new.
what I was talking about was, alliance has had dark irons for a while, so "recruiting" them doesn't change much. mag'hars, however, are new allies and they have quite a good reason to serve the horde--common history with MU orcs and nowhere else to go. they have iron horde technology that they apparently kept developing (in the scenario, villages were upgraded to iron horde tech, including one of the player-made outposts), and just like Nightborne magic and Highmountain Tauren skills (like eagle stuff), that will help.
sullen dagger
i guess, but it was beoing time that the allinace had the upper hand
heavy cairn
alliance still has upper hand, this just gives horde a better chance to recover
it's only "balanced" in terms of allies
though as I mentioned
similar to Dark Irons' status pre-BFA, you might consider Kul Tirans to be members of Alliance, and Zandalari to be members of the Horde.* so, the allies are not "balanced." Kul Tiras has a sparkling, powerful navy, plus some water magicians. Zandalar has a broken navy and their best magic (that provided by Rezan) is gone.
* being a member of a Horde is not as formal as being a member of an Alliance. the Zandalari pledged allegiance to the Horde (at least Talanji pretty much does with every World Quest), that is enough.
sullen dagger
i dunno, the remove of rezan on favour of the death's loa... it's a terrible move imho
the dinosaur is rezan, right?
zealous basalt
I still not see why a dragon of all things would help the Horde of all things
If anything they would prefer to see the Horde burn than helping them
sullen dagger
P L O T A R M O R
zealous basalt
That whole balance shit is bullcrap
sullen dagger
you mean like the morally gray shit?¿
i bet my right nut that they want more alliane raiding and pvping so they are tilting the "balance" in his favour this xpac
zealous basalt
Nah, the morally grey was something in part of the community
But no, if all Anachronos would see that chance to finally fix what Kairoz did, not to "balance" the parity
Even if that made Yrel a bad person
Is this why they made WoD really shitty with all that potential?
For Horde Bias?
heavy cairn
but what did Kairoz actually do that was different from what Horde now did?
or, what was unfixed?
AU was sealed off, and is now sealed off once more.
Pretty much nothing is changed except we smuggled a bunch of Mag'har Orcs from the AU while it was unsealed.
zealous basalt
Yes, you did that, but that was against Bronzes stand for
And even that, it means that horde got all of that xpac while what did Alliance get? One of their commanders and champions turned into evil due that "Light can be bad" trope
Yrel of all people
steel venture
anyway
the horde also has severely screwed up now
when they brought the AU maghar
when you get the direwolf
pay attention to the area nearby the river
you see saberon and botani running away in the background
they just screwed up and released multiple invasive species onto azeroth into kalimdor
zealous basalt
Wtb pics or never happen
And yes Nile
For the first time I acknoledge bad writting
Gg horde
steel venture
better than a pic
actual timestamp
you look away and you won't notice but they've released a few botani and saberon into kalimdor
GG horde
zealous basalt
Oh lofd
They are really there
There is just one botani
And two saberon
We know botani can make more of them
And those saberon might be the male female pair
steel venture
and we know the npc count never actually represents how many are there
due to how the world always is smaller than it is by lore
so its probably a decent few botani / saberon that got released onto azeroth
zealous basalt
Gg ez horde
dense plover
Pretty sure they represent those who teamed up with the maghar tho
They aren’t a threat, they are allies
dense plover
They did that in the past when their weird god thing told them to
steel venture
no. they're
dense plover
We killed that and wiped out most of them
steel venture
they're naturally like that
they're a parasitic race
literally all botani except for what? phylarch?
phylarch only chills out because you keep beating him into submission too
and he still is doing his fucked up plant-experiments
botani are evil.
dense plover
So it’s the same as the ogre faction the maghar have
In which case, I’m sure that’s a case for the few botani that came to azeroth
zealous basalt
Boi
steel venture
ogres historically can be reasoned with
botani are PARASITES
steel venture
there is NO reasoning with them omg.
phylarch ONLY stops because you keep beating him half-to-death
zealous basalt
Botani almost fuck draenor
steel venture
botani only reason with eachother
dense plover
They are only a threat when they want to raise a genesaur
steel venture
they view flesh-based life as inferior
dense plover
And the ones that came to azeroth can’t possibly feel that way
steel venture
okay you literally cannot make them good guys they fatten up children to devour them
dense plover
They teamed with the maghar to avoid the lightbound
dense plover
A race can change if it’s forced to
Night elves used to think of themselves as the best race
And then the well exploded and they lost everything
steel venture
......................... ?????????????????????????????????
okay seriously the botani and saberon aren't things to trust though in the slightest. now that they're free to go around azeroth its gonna be a PROBLEM
thats
dense plover
These botani have spent 20 years on draenor fighting the lightbound
steel venture
new turf for them to claim and they were only using the alliance w/ the maghar for convience
zealous basalt
Honestly peach
Dont
You k ow why they arent allies?
Because they literally
Flee
dense plover
Ok
But if they become a problem
We can just wipe them out
That’s what happened on old draenor
zealous basalt
That doesnt quit that its horde problem
Cant you do something without fucking it up?
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe they made a deal?
They didn’t have to bring them
Or they might not show up ever again
And it’s irrelevant
sudden oak
if im not mistaken the ones that fucked up first and brought a genesaur to azeroth was the kirin tor in the everbloom
and as far as I know the kirin tor was alliance in draenor
zealous basalt
They got attacked and mind controlled by the botani
zealous basalt
Are we going to forget the shit they pulled?
Well
Sylvanas is full of shit so it doesnt surprise me
sudden oak
no one here is talking about the shit the iron horde did
you are blaming the mag'har for letting botani and saberon sneak up when they are running from death
zealous basalt
Dude, are you really forgetting that the maghar were the leftovers of iron horde
tulip sun
We see the Ogron, Ogres and Orcs unified- the world must be dire.
sudden oak
meanwhile the alliance got overwhelmed by the botani and brought a genesaur
tulip sun
I love how Ogron and Gronn are now assets for the Horde
zealous basalt
Which got dealt with pretty fast
Did you kill those investors?
Invasors stupid phone
tulip sun
I am extremely interested and wanna learn more about the happenings in AU draenor
zealous basalt
And honestly it is going to end with some bad writting about Horde fixing their own shit and everyone is going to be "Oh Horde really care about Azeroth"
Not so Lok Tar Ogar anymore eh?
sudden oak
I dont know ask our orc warchiefs
those are the ones that scream it every 3 seconds
and not all the horde relies on orcish culture
zealous basalt
...wow I thought Mag har were all orcs
I'm so blind
/shrug
I suppose that's the new horde
tulip sun
What fo.you mean dont count? What arnt they counting to?
The Horde has some freat new assets for the war.
zealous basalt
Invasive species that sneaked in portak
tulip sun
Oh, dont think any did
tulip sun
I very well am e.e
zealous basalt
A few botani and saberon sneaked in
sudden oak
or maybe he came like a moment ago
tulip sun
How do we know??
zealous basalt
They
zinc sandal
Playable botani when
zealous basalt
Appear in the thing
tulip sun
Really?!?!
zealous basalt
Yes
tulip sun
I missed that!!!
tulip sun
Oh
zealous basalt
So we have new invasive species
zealous basalt
YES
zealous basalt
You are excused
tulip sun
Did they appear in the scenario? I didnt see any
tulip sun
Hmk.
zealous basalt
If you turn the camera you get them running toward the Barrens
2 saberon and one botani
tulip sun
I was gonna ask if they were unified with the maghar like ogres and ogron. Guess thats a no thiugh
tulip sun
It shows that practically every race is against the lightbound though
zealous basalt
They are crusading
tulip sun
So your discissing the implications of this?
zealous basalt
We were discussing what could happen if they are left alone
Which means problems
At least for kalimdor
tulip sun
We can assume more than what appeared on screen escaprd
tulip sun
Hm..lemme read about Saberon and Botani.
zealous basalt
Durotar*