it was being tweaked a bunch so its a bit unclear what it will be like on live
#beta-ptr-spoilers
zealous basalt
And it repeats
dense plover
one faction has warfront access, during this time, other faction has nothing. after warfront access is over, other faction begins donating and warfront faction has access to warfront open world content. that ends when donations are at max. the next day, the warfront will begin for other faction, and the faction that had warfront access has nothing.
i think you can extrapolate from here how this works
essentially each faction has 3 steps, each one takes 3 days approximately
4 steps
- warfront access 2. world content access 3. break 4. donate resources
dense plover
yes
dense plover
but the world changes too
thats why there are 2 warfront stages
open world and warfront
warfront you do once during the 3 days
the next 3 days are open world content
zealous basalt
Ohh
dense plover
theres a big world boss and a lot of smaller world bosses
you can get ilvl 355 loot and some mounts
mounts are low drop chance
zealous basalt
You had to do the first part to be able to see the open world or anyone can see it
?
Anyone that is 120*
dense plover
open world changes are complex
so the zone is updated 120+
but its essentially only non-hostile to your faction AFTER you win the warfront over the 3 days
after that, it becomes non-hostile and there is content for you to do
dense plover
sort of?
you can lose but you would have to try
and even then, after 3 days, it still switches as if your faction won
zealous basalt
Oh I see
dense plover
its essentially just cycling through a few different types of content
zealous basalt
My other question is
Are they seasonal?
Like
We have arathi first
When Barrens Warfront become open, Arathi is done with forever?
dense plover
probably
zealous basalt
And which faction wins it? Or again script?
dense plover
i think the purpose of wwarfronts is actually permanent story change
so at the end a faction wins
probably the one blizz chose
so arathi will likely be alliance
barrens horde
gilneas (if it happens) alliance
dense plover
yeah back and forth
zealous basalt
I can buy it
zealous basalt
For 120
dense plover
so 120+ these zones will forever be whatever faction won
zealous basalt
Think eventually everything will be revamped?
dense plover
maybe?
i think the plan is to do the zones that need it most
which is why arathi is getting picked
it feels old as hell
zealous basalt
And gilly
dense plover
they solved silithus with a big ass sword (best thing to happen in silithus)
dense plover
they are
zealous basalt
Do we have a practice mode?
dense plover
no
zealous basalt
Oh
dense plover
i think they have quests for basic overview of different tasks
zealous basalt
Its random queue?
dense plover
yes
zealous basalt
With other realms?
zealous basalt
I would prefer if the queue is within realms
zealous basalt
Can you queue the 20 man in a single go?
dense plover
maybe?
zealous basalt
You didnt test it
ruby star
aye, it seems they are doing warfronts for Alliance,horde, Alliance, horde (back and forth) though not sure how many warfrotns they plan for BFA
ruby star
8.1 announcement tommorrow? 😄 (warbringers is apparently 24th) though there's a 1hr and 15 min wow panel tomorrow at 12:30 CET
ruby star
Arathi changes once you reach level 120 and unlock warfronts I believe (or arthi one depending)
zealous basalt
Can you use dragon waifu to come back?
zealous basalt
BUT THE BETA HAS BEEN FOR HALF A YEAR U
ruby star
Want me to log on and check for you?
ruby star
yes
zealous basalt
Weird
sudden oak
dragon waifu?
zealous basalt
Zidormi
sudden oak
oh
ruby star
You hyped for tommorrows WoW panel?
zealous basalt
Idk what could be about
I kinda want dragons
But everything is good atm
I'm kinda satisfied with the xpac
ruby star
aka they will announce 8.1 I believe, it's not on the email that they will announce it
but
zealous basalt
I mean
ruby star
warbringers si 24th and they have a 1hr and 15min panel for WoW tommorrow
zealous basalt
I expect a lot of blizzard
dense plover
they wont announce 8.1
zealous basalt
But they spoiled Legion's ending
dense plover
considering the azshara warbringer is the 24th
zealous basalt
Before the last raid went live
dense plover
they arent going to talk about azshara before that
ruby star
Well 1hr 15min tommorrow won't be for no reason
zealous basalt
Probably something about isle expeditions
Or warfronts
Maybe a peek into Uldir
Doods
How do you imagine
Azeroth with new assets?
ruby star
if it is a cosplay contest then thats pretty trash tbh
if they are not gonna announce 8.1 gamescon whats the point of making us wait for the warbringers
zealous basalt
I just want one man to make Arthas cosplay
ruby star
they might as well of released it a while back
zealous basalt
And that is Vicente Viloni
ruby star
underwhelming tbh
zealous basalt
Aka the real world arthas
ruby star
it's blizz so no surprise
ruby star
no idea
can;'t remember
Gamers will be able to group up with other gamescom attendees and run through a dungeon from World of Warcraft’s upcoming Patch 7.3—details about this content update will be unveiled on stage and via live stream during the Blizzard Reveal Ceremony on Wednesday.
Twelve top-ranked Arena teams will battle it out in the WoW European Championship Finals on our World of Warcraft stage from Wednesday to Saturday for a share of the $100,000 USD prize pool and the chance to compete in the WoW Arena World Championship Finals at BlizzCon later this year—watch the live stream on http://www.twitch.tv/warcraft.
Visitors to the Blizzard booth will be able to attend a live Darkmoon Faire, which will include activities like an airbrush makeup station and photo opportunities with iconic WoW statues and items.
Top European World of Warcraft guilds Nova and Set Sail For Fail will race against each other in Mythic dungeons live on stage on Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday.
zealous basalt
Didn't they announce the anniversary stuff?
ruby star
not sure
I just honestly don't see why the fuck they'd make us wait this long just to release it at gamescon(warbringers), and not give any patch 8.1 info to us, seems underwhelming and trash IMO
dense plover
they might give some info
but i dont think we will see a lot
they havent had much of a chance to do any work
expac just came out and theyre still bug fixing
zealous basalt
Ye, there is a lot of tuning needed still
Heck
The warrior mastery was revamped a few ago
ruby star
Well 8.1 is most likely already done, or nearly done, they work on WoW expansion way before they release so they are already most likely nearly finished 8.1. but yes I agree there is still bug fixing, but that doesn't stop the developement of a major patch.
sudden oak
wtf
a WQ gave me rep twice
I was doing the WQ of protecting the turtles
and got 250 and 175 rep with seekers
heavy cairn
yes, some WQs reward commendations
if you had hovered over it you would see that it rewarded a commendation of 250 rep
they aren't real items; just like azerite, they are automatically "used"
--
I'm sure the details of 8.1 are all but finalized, regardless of development state. whatever raid is coming is probably being worked on if not finished already, because uldir is done and the raid development team isn't just sitting around doing nothing. they could anounce 8.1 and its features tomorrow, not sure if they will, but I don't personally believe it has to come out after Warbringers: Azshara.
the Warbringers shorts tie into the story but are also standalone from the expansion.
patch details can be announced without the content of Warbringers: Azshara being known.
just like burning of teldrassil was announced but the reason behind it withheld
dense plover
sure
but usually patch details arrive along with an overview of visuals and stuff
im not sure they have any of that
none of the cdn stuff has been active
except for the e3 branch
which they are using for islands/siege at gamescom
terse patrol
That sobering moment when you realize they’ve likely already started work on the next expac
Preliminary work that is
meager warren
I think they started work on bfa in wod but can't be sure
Everything in the game takes years of work to have it be in even the buggy state it's in
ruby star
😮
uncut vault
definitely think theyre going to make azshara have a 'cares for her people' motive, in a similar, if slightly more sinister way that Sylvanas has with the forsaken
tulip sun
That is not a bad thing
grave radish
Azshara never cared for her people
meager warren
Just like Sylvanas doesn't
zealous basalt
So rip old Azshara?
dense plover
old azshara?
she tried to summon sargeras for her own personal gain
she NEVER cared
she literally made a deal with the king of demons for her own personal gain
at the cost of the entire world
then she did the same thing with nzoth
uncut vault
like I said, theyre probably gonna make her like that
old lore obviously doesnt have her like that
zealous basalt
I das refering to what port said about making her that she cared about her people
I mean, if they say that she cares only because she needs attention, that's all good
jade basalt
strange falcon
wat
tulip sun
GAMESCON is not happening yet tho e.e
zealous basalt
No u
uncut vault
press event is today
steel venture
screams
i appreciate the new art snips but
let them be long blizz.
naga are
way longer in lore than they're ever represented in game
steel venture
enough to actually coil and crush people
they've been described as doing that a few times
zealous basalt
I want to grab a naga from their tails and smash them around
steel venture
coils that're barely longer than your average standing torso in proportion don't do that
uncut vault
its for the demon goat pet, not the hivemind
steel venture
oh the secrets discord finally found baa'l
zealous basalt
Porr
steel venture
?
zealous basalt
How do u get
zealous basalt
I wonder
If that was the secret that dude said about
You know
"Secrets discord you bring this on yourselves"
steel venture
er. probably not
the hivemind is looking like that
given the fact that its also a mount that adds more people "collectively" to gain more and more speed it likely is a direct reference to the secrets discord too
and how many minds come together to unveil this stuff
zealous basalt
I wonder
dense plover
not to mention it seems like the hivemind will require several secrets
zealous basalt
If they will be able to discover it before 8.1
dense plover
but yeah
i found that landmass before they did
i didnt know what it was relevant for
but i found it
zealous basalt
Lel
You are going to be like
My guildie
She rps a witch since cata, the England like witch with control over a wood and stuff that floats
Everytime she finds a floating witch she like
"I did first >:c"
dense plover
no
im just exccited that i found a thing like a week ago
and it was actually relevant
uncut vault
“We’re super excited with where it’s going to go, and I can just say that we’re not going to do to Sylvanas what happened with Garrosh,”
uncut vault
you'd be surprised the people that still think sylvanas is gonna end up a raid boss and get booted from the horde by saurfang
zealous basalt
Sylvanas is pretty much
Blizzard's pretty girl
But I think
They didnt like what happened with garrozh
jovial coral
Yeah saurfang is gonna be the raid boss
tulip sun
People still think sje will be a raid boss killed by saurfang after this interview
jovial coral
That's good cause then they'll be surprised
uncut vault
Waterwalking Mount
terse patrol
Calia to replace Sylvanas as the pretty girl when
zealous basalt
Ye
We had to reset him
Someone came with the snail
and killed him
when he ressed
uuna rekt him
kek at someone
"that thing is not purified, do her quests"
meager warren
i like how you're all just sitting in lava like it's no big deal
you should be ded
#BlizzardPhysics
ruby star
@uncut vault they better NOT try redeem her
That would be absolute trash
I hope she leaves the horde and of course I doubt she'll die
zealous basalt
@ruby star
Nothing but Warbringers and Island expeditions game plays this blizzcon
ruby star
Yep
pretty disappointing
made us wait this long for Warbringers, and the way they made us wait hyped us up for it and a 8.1 announcement, which of course didn't happen
They should of released it weeks ago
heavy cairn
in my opinion they shouldn't have announced warbringers
or at least only announced sylvanas/jaina and made azshara a surpirse
the other promotional cinematic that was tied to a special event wasn't announced at all
(that cinematic being the saurfang one)
ruby star
I don't see you ever contributing 🙂
meager warren
All i hear is boohoo frlm you, Asanjawa
dense plover
They didn’t hype for an 8.1 announcement
You hyped yourself for that
I literally tried to tell you several times
And you kept trying to make it into a thing
This is 100% self inflicted
zealous basalt
I didnt expect anything tbh
Mostly because they don't announce stuff at gamescon
and secondly
it is still really early
zealous basalt
And BfA was announced at Blizzcon
zealous basalt
There have been cases
ruby star
Exactlty
and they held Azshara warbringers back till gamescon
which gave off the feel they would announce 8.1 info or give a trailer for it
zealous basalt
Well, too bad they didn't, besides do you really want 8.1 right now?
heavy cairn
yea, 8.1 will be announced far before it comes out.
zealous basalt
Well, legion was a special case because there was nothing to do in 6.2 like for one year
heavy cairn
indeed. we'll probably get an 8.0.5 and 8.1 announcement soon.
but there's no reason to announce anything now when raid isn't even open yet
players still have tons of activities
zealous basalt
i would love if they continue with microraids
rather than going to 8.1
and that too
dense plover
8.1 will probably be Blizzcon
Raid will have just opened last wing lfr
Perfect timing
heavy cairn
I doubt too many are finished with war campaign, nor at raid-ready gear level. Heck, some people who work all week and only have some time to play on weekends might not even be max level.
No reason to announce even more content than what was included in base patch yet.
zealous basalt
some people
wasn't ready for mythics
and still did the endings at 299 😛
we still need to do warfronts too
heavy cairn
ye, lots of content open already, lots more opening sept 4
warfronts, raids, m+, world boss, pvp
zealous basalt
heck
and with these two campaigns
you need to level 2 times
horde and alliance
heavy cairn
eh
I don't know if I am going to spend time levelling alliance
any time soon, at least
no one I know plays alliance
heavy cairn
oh I know it's worth it, but I have stuff to do on my main and alts to level that would benefit my main
heavy cairn
sure
zealous basalt
2 weeks left
heavy cairn
eh I don't need to do it before raid
zealous basalt
why is bladestorm fun
heavy cairn
¯_(ツ)_/¯
agile token
@meager warren I literally said nothing
uncut vault
10 bucks says ion at least mentions some 8.1 stuff at the QnA
Been a lot of questions relating to the when/how we’ll be getting Kul Tirans and Zandalari
dense plover
Ofc
But it’s not going to be a patch trailer
They probably don’t have enough content finished for that
zealous basalt
imagine if
You had to reach exhalted with their factions
And complete Zandalar Forever / A united nation
would that be 2 easy?
night swift
Well it doesn't sound too hard
I mean the current races are just, exalted and the story of their zone/faction
strange falcon
well,all other allied races required their zone done and 1 rep exalted
so for zandalari to require not only all 3 zones done(+1 from the new quest hub),but 2 reps at exalted
seems like a lot compared to literally every other allied race
uncut vault
Completing all three zones isn’t exactly challenging, you have to do at least a full two before hitting max level
tranquil steeple
or alternatively if you're spamming dungeons while questing
and are leveling multiple chars, clear one zone per char (up to 3 different chars)
uncut vault
Need completion on one character to unlock the quests as far as I know
zealous basalt
No no, like one class that all but one race has, that works in synergy with the race, with the restriction of one synergy
hollow dock
Yea. That sounds like everyone would play that one race for that one class.
In which case we kinda had this issue with Blood elves.
Healers would roll belf cuz free mana on a 2min CD.
Druids went Troll cuz haste and junk.
zealous basalt
Ah
hollow dock
Currently actually hunters have that Synergy with Orcs
Orcs have their pets deal 5% more damage.
So Demo and BM orcs are the hot thing
zealous basalt
i see
If there was something i'd love
is if they tune the damage of mob spells a little down
zealous basalt
wtb coats
uncut vault
I wish blizz would make the skybox texture more than just the upper half of the sky, when you hit any elevation, beautiful stuff like that gets ruined by the blank grey-blue below it
dense plover
i thought that was water
was moving fast
oh
i see what you mean
yeah
its only the top half of the hemisphere
hollow dock
because it is?
zealous basalt
When is Q&A?
terse patrol
@zealous basalt 11 am PDT
zealous basalt
Bingo roulette everyone?
zealous basalt
so
i think i found a bug
apparently
I can use lvl 120 armor from bfa dungeons that isn't azerite gear
tiny moth
why is that a bug
lethal grail
So what is going to be going on with vol'gin in bfa?
hollow dock
his ashes get moved around a bit
his spirit disappears.
then reappears
and stuff happens after that
ruby star
Vris I have a question
So apparently horde steal our sceptre of tides
do we get it back or?
dense plover
I don’t think so
Also I think there are probably more than 1 scepter
They are just rare and espensive
And require specific magics
hollow dock
there are no mentions to it on the alliance side
Also Jaina's cinematic at the end of Siege was amazing
hollow dock
Makes me wonder though, why couldn't Katherine bring the Fleet herself? Did Daelin know magic and Katherine just didn't?
zealous basalt
I don't think she knew there was dark magicz
I wonder if the fleet was there for all the years or if they were sailing in a never ending sea
hollow dock
I don't think it was for years, but it was for a few months at least.
zealous basalt
that is quite the fleet tho
hollow dock
By far, the Kul tiran fleet is the best naval force on Azeroth.
and now that it's back, granted that Boralus is crippled thanks to Ashvane
zealous basalt
And now Kul Tiras stands as a powerful nation thanks to us
hollow dock
and I read that the horde's side has kinda fallen apart. The Empire is divided up, Talanji's expedition failed.
zealous basalt
is dat bias for u vris?
heavy cairn
Are there actually many alliance forces in Drustvar that could help?
Likewise, are there too many Tidesages who didn't turn to evil Void stuff?
heavy cairn
order of embers, yea, how big are they?
hollow dock
There is literally a whole two questlines and zones dedicated* to showing that.
zealous basalt
dont diss my boyos
hollow dock
The achievement is even called "A nation United"
zealous basalt
She meant in drustvar
hollow dock
And numbers have been proven to not really be an issue.
fiery shale
@heavy cairn Well with the alliance army completely decimated I doubt it would help much. Besides Ion pretty much said after BfL both factions are now even.
next update is going to be azashara and old gods
hollow dock
The alliance army isn't decimated?
zealous basalt
The alliance army is really empowered now tho
fiery shale
@hollow dock they rushed into Lordaeron which got nuked.
what do you think happened?
hollow dock
No they didn't lol
hollow dock
Did you really not pay attention to the alliance side of it?
Anduin specifically states "Keep everyone out of lordaeron except our group, we don't want to get boxed in"
fiery shale
@heavy cairn They evacuated. it was said in the cinematic.
hollow dock
The horde got blighted when the first wave of it was unleashed
heavy cairn
[grine] I am not talking about the flooding of the blight at the end
that part, no forces are shown for either faction.
hollow dock
but the second part of it to try and catch anduin didn't have many alliance or horde getting caught in the explosion.
if any at all
They're both bloodied, but hardly either side is 'decimated'
fiery shale
@hollow dock I am kind of confused about the gnomish leader. Was he left in Lordaeron?
zealous basalt
No
hollow dock
No. He left.
for the front gates
with the rest of teh alliance forces.
Again ONLY OUR GROUP went deeper into Lordaeron
everyone else was kept outside of it
fiery shale
that really doesn't make much sense why abandon our leaders to go in alone into the city?
uncut vault
mistvine for alliance has two priests that give you 7% stamina and armor
heavy cairn
I think lorewise champions go in with the leaders
heavy cairn
There's a Horde outpost in Stormsong, forget the name, you can get an ettin that lets you move super super fast for 1 minute
uncut vault
yeah Nazmir and Stormsong give a speed demon for each faction
alliance's is one of the crawgs
hollow dock
Spud is the best boy
zealous basalt
gud boi?
hollow dock
the bestest boy
zealous basalt
more than hati?
fiery shale
So is the faction war over?
zealous basalt
We are just starting
hollow dock
^
zealous basalt
and by the looks
hollow dock
Like, the dungeons should show
zealous basalt
Alliance has the upper hand
hollow dock
even if there are third parties out there.
the horde and alliance are still killing each other on sight
ruby star
@hollow dock it's a shame though, if it gets destoryed (the fleet) we can't make it again, as theres only one scepter, which the horde has?
fiery shale
Well that doesn't inspire much confidence, Ion considers BfL a total alliance victory. like it evens out with what happened in Teldrassil event. If thats "Even" I am worried what an imbalance looks like.
hollow dock
There isn't only one sceptor I thought?
ruby star
I'm not sure, I only thought there was 1, I could be wrong
hollow dock
The Sceptor that we use to free up the Kul Tiran fleet isn't the only one
zealous basalt
Teldrassil doesnt seem like a victory at all
ruby star
Both Telldrassil and Lordaeron were losses for the Alliance @zealous basalt sadly
@hollow dock Oh interesting
hollow dock
@fiery shale Welcome to teh horde. More infighting when the pressure gets put on while the alliance does the opposite.
Not sure where you've been for the past fourteen years but glad you're here with us
ruby star
exactly vris
hollow dock
Which is to push the alliance out of Kalmindor
zealous basalt
Kicking alliance out of Kalimdor
ruby star
wait
zealous basalt
But still, she just poked the bear there
fiery shale
it feels like this whole expansion is about sylvanas and her actions both the horde and the alliance are just following along.
hollow dock
She pulled a Japan in 1941.
ruby star
Horde won Lordaeron, sure she failed at killing alliance leaders ,but she was going to destroy/blight lordaeron anyway
so she won her way
hollow dock
The alliance dips on everyone and at the end, it's getting Jaina from Monster to Hero in Kul Tiras
zealous basalt
And Leader
Which imo
That could be a nice
requeriment for Kul Tirans
To have "A united nation"
hollow dock
Id be more shocked if you weren't required to have that
zealous basalt
topkek
hollow dock
since it's only then that Kul Tiras is completely united under the Lord Admiral
fiery shale
I resubbed for 1 month after taking a break for years. Got my alts leveled up and stuff.
But holy hell reputation grinding for allied races in BfA capital F no.
zealous basalt
...
hollow dock
Its not a grind tho
zealous basalt
I think you need to unsub then
hollow dock
it's literally playing the game
hollow dock
You have to get rep for the war campaign factions to unlock more of the campaign
zealous basalt
Completing every quest+sidequest
fiery shale
Did they change the definition of a grind?
zealous basalt
Leaves you at Honored, almost revered
hollow dock
A grind is when you have to go out of your way
ruby star
rep grind isn't that hard
zealous basalt
Basically what is left is just doing world quests
ruby star
7th legion is easy to get
hollow dock
You log in, do your World quests for that part of the day, and then log off or do something else with yoru time
ther'es no 'grind'
fiery shale
@ruby star to be honest not a single thing in wow is hard its just how long it takes to get it done. A game like Dark Souls is difficult.
tranquil steeple
you'll have the requirements to get the allied races by playing the game by the point they're available to unlock as allied race
hollow dock
^
hollow dock
Which is what happened with the Legion Allied races.
and yea basically.
People bitched because they skipped out on the content
and now were forced to do the content
to get more content
hollow dock
Didn't affect the people who just played the game. Only those that decided they didn't want to.
and then it turns into a grind for them because they have to play catch up
fiery shale
is it really content to do the same quests everyday for all the potential free time you may have? It feels like anyone who did not play legion regularly is punished by being forced back into old content meanwhile all the veteran players are welcomed into the new content.
This seems like a very deceptive way to artificially force people to play for longer for gated content.
hollow dock
they aren't the same quests tho
hollow dock
Ignore dror here
ruby star
D:
zealous basalt
KEK
hollow dock
yes Legion did punish those that didn't play regularly by having them 'progress' their content at a slower rate
but at the same time
it didn't
fiery shale
@ruby star real welcoming of new/returning players there buddy. How long before you and your 12 friends are the only "true wow fans" left?
How long are you queues?
hollow dock
Suramar was still unlockable if you played once a week to if you played 7 days a week
Also long que times is a garbage thing to pull
there's 2-3million dps players
to 1-2 million tanks and healers
If you're DPS, you get a longer que because there's so much more of you.
hollow dock
not due to a lack of playe rbase. In which WoW is back at 10 million active players supposedly
so that's really a bullshit thing to try and pull
ruby star
If you want the allied races from legion just work for them, sure it's a pain, aka void elf one, but if you want them then it's worth it
fiery shale
You know what would be awesome? To give new players a tabard of some sort to farm the reputation while playing the new content.
The legion players got all their reputation without even knowing it was a requirement. If we are talking about comparison then those legion players should have been forced back into WoD to farm Ogre reputation or whatnot.
hollow dock
They do that
once a week
every month
it's called the Darkmoon Fair
And if you do it all on a human
that makes it even easier
hollow dock
There's actually a huge guide on making rep 'grinding' easier
tranquil steeple
The legion players got all their reputation without even knowing it was a requirement.
because it wasn't a requirement YET
ruby star
Rep grinds are apart of WoW
zealous basalt
And tbh
ruby star
there no way they would remove them
hollow dock
As dror did say.
hollow dock
You can say just as easily that Wrath punished the casual player harder actually
fiery shale
@tranquil steeple Imagine you never got reputation while doing those activities and they only became available after the race released.
hollow dock
because things like the Argent Tournament were stretched out for them.
Except that it didn't go that way grine
zealous basalt
That is a bad analogy
hollow dock
A new rep is not created for the race. they are tied to a current content rep.
Like Dark Iron Dwarves are tied tot he 7th Legion.
Which are you gaining rep in anyways
because the war campaign.
zealous basalt
And Kul Tirans will prolly be tied to Proudmoore Almirantly
ruby star
Doing the story content normally gets you to honoured anyway
fiery shale
No its a perfect analogy. When most legion players learned about these new races they either already had the reputation or were well progressed meanwhile all other players start at "neutral"
zealous basalt
LEGION PUT YOU IN REVERED
hollow dock
You should be complaining about EVERY OTHER EXPANSION THAT DOES THIS
zealous basalt
If all
hollow dock
BECAUSE THEY ALL DID THIS EXACT SAME THING
ruby star
@zealous basalt you talking to me? or Grine?
fiery shale
@zealous basalt lies. I played the whole army of light thing. As a human I am barely half honored.
ruby star
ok cool
tranquil steeple
I'm pretty sure I'm exalted on two chars with both Army of the Light and Argussian Reach
and almost exalted on another char
from playing the game when it was current
zealous basalt
I only did that with my main
ruby star
WoW is all about grinding, if you don't like grinding or are not willing to put the effort in like everyone else, then just don't do it
fiery shale
@tranquil steeple Yes you played the game when it was current. I am asking for the same. Why am i denied current content if I want these races?
tranquil steeple
you're not being denied bfa content if you want the races
fiery shale
@tranquil steeple current content.
ruby star
If you want teh races then WORK for them
fiery shale
please be accurate
tranquil steeple
you're postponing it by going for the allied races requiring legion content
fiery shale
Drorith. Blocked.
tranquil steeple
and the current content/expac's allied races are to become available at a later time, where if you play the game, you'll most likely meet the requirement to unlock them, or be close to the requirement
ruby star
🤔
fiery shale
@tranquil steeple My point I would not be here complaining if I gained the required reps by equipping a tabard and doing BfA activities.
zealous basalt
Ehh
fiery shale
I am still working for them right?
zealous basalt
shakes his head no
fiery shale
so whats the problem?
tranquil steeple
cataclysm tabard, for cataclysm faction, giving rep to the faction when doing cataclysm content
zealous basalt
The problem is the attitude of certain entitled players that really want to go the easy way, when everyone had to do that.
ruby star
exactly Makore
ruby star
Exactly
tranquil steeple
at best getting a tabard that awards rep with the factions from legion, would require you to do.... what?
legion content
hollow dock
In which you can do the same thing by just waiting for the first week of every month with the darkmoon fair and grind all rep on a human
ruby star
To put it bluntly, if you can't be bothered to put in the work, then you don't deserve to play the allied race
simple
tranquil steeple
I feel that's a bit too "shame on you for not playing the game", but... essentially, yeah, Dror
fiery shale
@zealous basalt The problem is most of you did not even know about these requirements but because you were farming for current content you naturally got them handed to you.
The idea that "I need 42000 reputation points to play a new race" never entered your minds. Besides these reputation rewards are so paltry. what is the average? 25 to 100 points per quest?
zealous basalt
Dude
That's what we all suffered
Don't think you deserve more for being a "returning" player
hollow dock
The World quests gave anywhere from 100-375 per world quest
zealous basalt
And honestly
hollow dock
with 1000-1500 rep from the emissary
zealous basalt
If we reached Exalted
hollow dock
and then if Kirin Tor is every around
zealous basalt
was not because the fucking allied races
hollow dock
that's another 750 or 900 rep
zealous basalt
But because the damn Paragon chests
Heck
I didn't even care about them in the first place
ruby star
He blocked me for saying what exactly you guys are saying
zealous basalt
Just do your grind
ruby star
gj
fiery shale
@zealous basalt You are further proving my point or you dont even realize what the point is.
fiery shale
and what is my point? repeat it back to me.
zealous basalt
I will do as pleased
"Oh blizzard, why are you making me go back to---"
"EASY OLD CONTENT"
fiery shale
chill out
hollow dock
Your point that I've gathered is that it's unfair that blizzard is making me do a rep grind from fresh even though everyone else already finished it
zealous basalt
"Why cant i have a way to skip it"
"Why can't you make it unfair for those that worked so hard for it"
hollow dock
Even though that's literally what every single expansion before legion has done.
fiery shale
@hollow dock Not really accurate.
fiery shale
Makore. Blocked.
zealous basalt
How you sound
ruby star
lmao
fiery shale
I have no interest in speaking with insulting toxic individuals.
zealous basalt
Says as he is highly toxic
ruby star
🤔
hollow dock
So then what is the accurate point you're making Grine?
tranquil steeple
ok so look at it like this. this tabard, I want it. but I acknowledge that if I want it, I have to work for it
ruby star
Pretty ignorant of him if you ask me tbh
tranquil steeple
and it's PURELY cosmetic to me
and look at how big the % of profiles that have it are
those people are dedicated enough to go out of their way to farm a fuckton to get what they want
zealous basalt
I h8 entitled people
tranquil steeple
and to get that tabard, iirc
you need exalted with... the 4 or 5 standard faction reputations for the races (available during WotLK)
and the Argent Tournament people themselves
MUCH MORE THAN WHAT YOU NEED FOR ONE OF THE ALLIED RACES
do the people who have the tabard deserve it? hell yes
should people also put in the same work to get it even though it's old, and easy content, now in BfA? hell yes
sterile nexus
Farming has always been a big point in WoW. If you want the special stuff from factions, be prepared to grind it out
fiery shale
My point @hollow dock is when people played legion when they were after other goals they naturally farmed this reputation.
The BFA allied races were advertised as new content for BFA with not a lot of details unless you dug very hard to find the details.
So for old legion players they simply got a "cool I now have all i need for these races thanks blizzard! I did not even know i was working towards this objective"
Meanwhile for everyone else its a completely different story. "You need exalted and these achievements. Good luck figuring out how to do it. and they start off from zero and doing the entirety of the content for these new races marketed to them"
This is NOT a situation like "I love Northrend Argent Dawn mount so I need to go back and farm for it."
Not at all.
hollow dock
but it's not a good luck figuring out how to do it LOL
the achievemnets tell you what to do
zealous basalt
this dude needs a new brain
hollow dock
^ also that
sterile nexus
So the stuff old legion players have grinded for, should be made free for you, @fiery shale ? Feels a bit weird to me
fiery shale
I feel like we are speaking two completely different languages and your ability to miss the point completely is astounding.
hollow dock
if you had your head in the ground, then fine.
I saw your point
I see the words you use
I tell you "No it's not like that, here's what it is"
"omg you don't understand my point"
ruby star
haha xD
fiery shale
@sterile nexus If the allied races were advertised on Legion? Sure that would be wrong of me. But they are BFA content locked behind legion content.
hollow dock
really that's your sole gripe
fiery shale
Something never seen before besides a level requirement.
hollow dock
that it's needing BFA to get your allied races
even though the allied races are a BFA system
and can't be backwards ported onto legion
sterile nexus
True, but people were grinding that rep/achievements way before BfA was around
Don't really see what's wrong with it
fiery shale
@sterile nexus Exactly my point. If these players were suddenly given these reputations to be grinded I would be more inclined to believe they "did the work" for them with the express intention to get these races.
Except they didn't they wanted gear or to raid at a higher level and the allied races just fell into their laps.
hollow dock
Did you ever come to the realization that while a new player is leveling up a character they have to do legion content
which gives you rep for the required races.
tranquil steeple
no
tranquil steeple
actually leveling through Legion content
ruby star
🍿 @zealous basalt Want some?
fiery shale
@hollow dock Why do you think blizzard provides a free 110 boost?
zealous basalt
This man doesnt realize
hollow dock
To have them PLAY WITH THEIR FRIENDS
they've stated that multiple times
if they want old content
they need to do old content
zealous basalt
That naturally there isn't a way to start BfA with 0 rep in legion
sterile nexus
Yeah, the 110 boost is a nice thing to catch up if you missed a lot of stuff
If you want stuff from before that? Go farm for it
fiery shale
@hollow dock why should blizzard do that? You worked hard to get a 110 character? why should these disgusting new players suddenly unlock a character at your level?
sterile nexus
Seems like a logical choice
hollow dock
BECAUSE LITERALLY
LIKE THEY SAID
WHEN FRIENDS GET FRIENDS TO PLAY
THEY ARE IN A MASSIVE GAP
SO THE BOOST REMOVES IT
jesus christ now you're being toxic as all fuck
sterile nexus
Wait, so new players are now disgusting 🙀 ?
fiery shale
these friends can make a character and level it to 110 together?
why is the boost needed?
zealous basalt
facepalms
hollow dock
Im just putting him on block.
fiery shale
@sterile nexus to these people I seem to be
sterile nexus
Yeah, they can start a whole new character, because no one wants to play with their old character and have a friend join
lol
You're a weird fella
fiery shale
@sterile nexus See you are moving the goal post. getting a 110 character boost is ok. but races are not.
hollow dock
No thanks. I have some ice cream.
tranquil steeple
what if they use the boost to play with their friend at max level then want to play a different class because it looks cool, so the new player and their friend level new characters together... AFTER the boost was used
zealous basalt
slaps ice cream
hollow dock
not really monitering this arguing he's waging anymore
zealous basalt
Now you get popcorn
fiery shale
Look is fine if you guys want to play an elitist club game that only veterans may join.
good for you
sterile nexus
No, the races are fine as they are. If a friend of mine wants to start now and gets all the stuff I farmed for free, I'd feel a bit strange
tranquil steeple
..... dude
zealous basalt
lool
check dis out vris
Look is fine if you guys want to play an elitist club game that only veterans may join.
tranquil steeple
remember the tabard i posted a picture of
that i said i wanted?
that's cosmetic
as is allied races
fiery shale
@tranquil steeple was that tabard advertised for cataclysm?
tranquil steeple
no wotlk
zealous basalt
What does that have to do with it
fiery shale
right
hollow dock
are you all still on this?
tranquil steeple
which is by the way still old content
fiery shale
so why are you making such a silly argument?
tranquil steeple
as is the legion rep for allied races
uncut vault
dunno if it was mentioned here, but looks like we're getting a ptr build soon, meaning beta's probably going down shortly (assuming it isnt already down, I havent checked)
zealous basalt
is hilarious
tranquil steeple
which is cosmetic
fiery shale
you could argue all races are cosmetic.
uncut vault
It will be, Ion mentioned a ptr build next week for AH stuff
zealous basalt
My friend got angry
hollow dock
Auction House
zealous basalt
Didn't you
hollow dock
stuff?
uncut vault
yes
hollow dock
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
zealous basalt
Looked at the Q&A?
hollow dock
ARE THEY ACTUALLY GOING TO FIX THE AH?!
no I haven't
been waiting for the VoD to get uploaded
zealous basalt
Facepalms
uncut vault
Im watching it now on twitch
zealous basalt
but ye
hollow dock
gibe link?
sterile nexus
Well, that would be nice
zealous basalt
think it will be deployed while 8.0?
limber mural
am I an idiot, or when do we exactly learn that Taelia's father was Bolvar Fordragon
ruby star
At the end of pride of Kul'tiras quest line, after siege of bouralas😄
zealous basalt
boralus
limber mural
welp damn
oh well
was googling GoT stuff and came at it from the other end, something saying that 'Ellie Kendrick also voices Taelia Fordragon in World of Warcraft' hang on what
doing siege tomorrow
feelsbad
zealous basalt
Her attitude says Fordragon
ruby star
Look forward to her being developed more throughout BFA
zealous basalt
noes
tropic trail
hmmmm? 
uncut vault
old concept
night swift
Yeah thats super fake
languid yoke
Yup, thank god for that
uncut vault
was never intended to be real, just a concept someone made to put ideas out there for a patch
sullen dagger
I think that as blizzard is being a super troll
We could hace he
As race the next xpac
And spellblades
Like mop
Race + class
sudden oak
spellblade sounds interesting tbh
languid yoke
Yeah but elves don't
sudden oak
they dont for you :^)
hollow dock
elves are always more interesting
sudden oak
^
zealous basalt
I cant even, this comment parodying that lion king love song with Manduin and Taelia
languid yoke
You forgot "un", Vris. Uninteresting.
sudden oak
im quite sure vris didnt forget anything
dense plover
that was perfect
hollow dock
called it
hollow dock
Who was that person who said "Oh her supremacy shtick is just a shtick"
dense plover
XD
zealous basalt
I did
zealous basalt
Wamma fire?
hollow dock
yews I forgot who
zealous basalt
Fite
dense plover
she literally made a deal with a demon god, and when it backfired she made a deal with an old god
she only cares for power
hollow dock
@steel venture oi. I was right. She's still a spoiled brat.
hollow dock
Yea spoiled.
serene axle
