I see the Alliance winning honestly
#beta-ptr-spoilers
ruby star
zealous basalt
That's where they channel their power from tho
ruby star
Slyvnanas won the last two major battles on her accord
zealous basalt
without the sunwell they are going to be really weak
ruby star
aye, so they'd keep the sunwell (blood elves)
while the alliance takes SIlvermoon, perhaps they'd be contested areas in Quel'thalas
ruby star
Hell yes!
Updated HD blue SIlvermoon though with Alliance,Ren'dorei and Quel'dorei banners flying above it
zealous basalt
you kno
ruby star
that would be so ❤
tulip sun
I wouldnt mind losing it tbh
If in trade we get a fully functional Suramar
In HD, Silvermoon would look like a red Suramar most likely
ruby star
Horde getting a full functional suramar in return would be great! though I see Blood Elves having Sunwell still
tulip sun
You dont just repaint a city when you conquer it
zealous basalt
Who said something about repaint
we destroy everything and rebuild it in blue color
sudden oak
also if old silvermoons defenses are back with the sunwell
gl to the alliance trying to get it
zealous basalt
"gl to the alliance trying to get it"
boi is forgetting Alliance is the op faction here
that needs to be nerfed in order for the horde to get some relevance
ruby star
and we control the whole of the EK apart from Quel'thalas
they are trapped
With the kul'tiran fleet and other stuff
we can take you down
sudden oak
if Quel'thalas gets uptaded the defenses should be up
since the sunwell is back
and if the scourge couldnt take it without help from the inside
the alliance cant
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Ban'dinoriel only ever went to Silvermoon in its original form, and we dont know if it can go that far in its new form
ruby star
Well Alliance can, Void Elves will know ways in (elite crack squad of elves) and pretty sure some Blood Elves are defecting
sudden oak
wasnt Ban'dinoriel at the edges of the rune stones?
ruby star
Ban'dinoriel is not back
zealous basalt
We could go so deep and summon some void stuff in the Sunwell
you know, to make the match morally grey
ruby star
Alliance could take Quel'thalas
I see Anduin offering the blood elves to rejoin Alliance, however they decline
so we invade and take over
sudden oak
"Ban'dinoriel is not back because I say it"
tropic trail
Well, in the end, it's just unknown what if any defenses are in Quel'Thalas. Another important factor would probably be how the Argent people in the plaguelands act in all of this (and first, Arathi has to be resolved, and in favor of the allaince)
uncut vault
Nah the runestones were where the second elfgate is, Ban'dinoriel, according to Chronicle, was the one surrounding Silvermoon only and was drawn from the Sunwell, Gul'dan and his warlocks could not pierce it. As far as we know, it has not been reactivated since Darkhan Drathir performed a binding ritual to dispel it
tropic trail
I don't think there will be a big invasion into any of the BC zones. But if there is, I guess the Draenei would be the more vulnerable target (with the Exdoar being pretty destroyed by the Legion a year back or so)
tropic trail
Well, mostly that I think blizzard woul'd prefer to use zones that are up to at least the cata standard.
I mean, Quel'Thalas and the Mythos islands are the oldest zones left in the game
ruby star
They have to update Quel'Thalas eventually
they can't leave it out of any stories
and it will look very out place once eventually all other zones are updated
tropic trail
Well, they did put some small things there.
Like the Nightborne quest
But one of the main problems with these zones is, that they are so isolated, technically
Like, they sit on the outland-server in their own zones
uncut vault
the isolation isnt that much of a problem, especially not if it becomes a warfront
we'll be traveling there via portal from the capitol cities anyways
no flying in QT and Azuremyst is something put onto the specific two zones, not taken away from Outland
ruby star
exactly
tropic trail
Well, I'm happy if they renew the zones
I'm just pessimistic
And making them "flyable" would be even more taxing
especially in regards to Quel'thalas, where they "tricked" a good bit to make it look epic, (the mythos isles are a bit more real in the sense that most things you can see you cant walk thorugh)
uncut vault
but basically, with Ban'dinoriel, originally it was powered by the mooncrystals, which Kael'thas took, and whos fates are now unknown, so even if the Sunwell can put it back up, it has to be constantly maintained by magisters
magisters who, when they originally did that, were killed by Darkhan, the same guy who the void elves learned from
So its an easy opportunity for a "sneak in with the void elves and assassinate magisters" mission
ruby star
Yep
tulip sun
I cant see the alliance taking a city from its original inhabitants though
zealous basalt
That's the old alliance Kham
I don't think Anduin is going to act like before with all the shit Sylvanas has pulled
tulip sun
I suppose
tropic trail
As if the alliance would overreach in their answer and get morally questionable. (especially Anduin).
His bones will ache and tell him not to or something. ^^
ruby star
The main Invansion of Quel'thalas, would be Humans,High Elves,Dwarves,Void Elves (any other race in ALliance which would help? @uncut vault )
zealous basalt
dont forget the gnomes
ruby star
“The Alliance is going to have to realign itself. Especially the Night Elves who lose their home. How are they going to react to this? There’s going to be a real self-examination of what the Alliance is about, and how they want to behave. Do they want to get revenge on the Horde, or do they want to build a better world? That’s a question they need to answer.”
@zealous basalt Oh yes the gnomes! 😄
uncut vault
My hope would be that, warfront or not, theyd replace the dwarves they use in arathi with gnomes to make machines
sullen dagger
gnomes are evil
ruby star
😮
sullen dagger
i'd guess by blizz magic they will be tied sship too shipand cannon to cannon
uncut vault
even with the zandalari, they will not be able to fight the kul tirans
sullen dagger
fucking space
uncut vault
so they raise the tidesage dude and steal that scepter
sullen dagger
-_-
ruby star
Alliance would have Quel'thalas surrounded
Kul'tiran fleet can guard the coast around Quel'thalas making sure a fleet doesn't come to help the blood elves
Alliance troop invansion force can go in through greenwood pass
etc
leading to
zealous basalt
gg ez
ruby star
more Arthas and Anduin parrell
ruby star
aye
zealous basalt
could lead to dangerous things
ruby star
nah
zealous basalt
looks to r34 web
ruby star
Anduin is parrelling Arthas in reverse sort of
zealous basalt
hivers
ruby star
So instead of March of the damned, march of the just
Anduin is parrelling Arthas paladin good side
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imagine
The blood elf leader having a pstd memory there when Anduin march
just likes Arthas
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Lor'themar: Finish it. I deserve.... a clean death.
Anduin: After all you've put me through, woman, the last thing I'll give you is the peace of death.
Lor'themar: No! You wouldn't dare!
Anduin: raises Lor'themar as a light banshee
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i died
ruby star
Anduin would march through greenwood pass, offer the blood elves one final chance to rejoin the alliance, lor'themar declines, Alliance then invade
ruby star
either way Alliance would win
zealous basalt
that questline cracked me
Halford making a very detailed plan
and Shandris just being her elf self "we find and kill"
even Halford says it later "That's no fun."
I can see the Kul Tiran fleet just appearing on the coasts of quel'thalas
ruby star
if Quel'thalas got revamped and made HD, and was taken back by the alliance and was rebuilt and made blue, the RP realms would explode lmao
then perfect chance for
zealous basalt
watch it being the new goldshire
hollow dock
@ruby star new toys the alliance gets: Kul Tiran fleet and Wildhammer trained Gryphon riders.
zealous basalt
"murdering mana-chuggers"
ruby star
@hollow dock intereting 😄 what do these toys do/mean?
uncut vault
I mean, Drorith, did you see the velf banner changes?
hollow dock
New things we probably won't get to use in our war.
uncut vault
got all the gold on the inverted phoenix removed, the banner itself is all blue and purple now
uncut vault
Sure, in a sec
ruby star
what do you think it exactly means? could just be they decided to change it up
ruby star
@hollow dock Oh yeah shit, true, dammit Blizzard
zealous basalt
i like the new
ruby star
what do you think it means? I prefer new one too
uncut vault
Well, seems like theyre trying to move the velf color palette away from just blood elves, but replace red with purple, and actually making it a lot of shades of darkness
ruby star
Oh yeah
uncut vault
phoenix is a lot cleaner now too
ruby star
Hoping to see this banner eventually
thats true it does
I like the new void elf banner, looks better then the old one
zealous basalt
i prefer dragon banner @ruby star
ruby star
@zealous basalt
Black Dragons - Wrathion
High Elves - Vereesa
Wildhammer - Felstad
win!
uncut vault
honestly if we do get high elves, I hope they base their banner off of the silver covenant colors, I both like the silver and blue color palette a bit more than blue and gold, and think it'll do the same thing that the velf banner changes do, make their colors distinct
ruby star
Aye true
zealous basalt
what would be the differences between void and high tho
ruby star
theres a massive differnece
uncut vault
still salty they made the 5.2 faction kirin tor instead of a new silver covenant
zealous basalt
in terms of gameplayz
uncut vault
while sunreaver got a new HD tabard
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permanent 5% of damage raiseD?
ruby star
new raciels of course
zealous basalt
no shit sherlock
ruby star
aye
ruby star
Oooh
ruby star
Theres like 28+ megatthreads with loads of ideas, but theres loads of ideas
for racials
zealous basalt
30 seconds of cds
uncut vault
That sanlayn/high elf pic a while back had some good, if OP ideas
ruby star
ye
zealous basalt
post it back plox
uncut vault
zealous basalt
i kant see
zealous basalt
but aren't san'layn ded?
tulip sun
I am practically 100 percent sure Vulpera are gonna be added in bfa
jovial coral
I want to see mock racials for everything
uncut vault
It's hinted at that Dreven wasnt the only san'layn prince allied with Sylvanas
and certainly not the only one left
jovial coral
Stowaway- can attach themselves to players mounts
uncut vault
cant imagine what race would get that, Arakkoa maybe, if they ever become playable
jovial coral
I hear black dragons would be a good one
zealous basalt
but my question is
how would a draconic race be?
i mean, i could imagine a flamethrower racial
but will they have unique models?
ruby star
Flight racial
zealous basalt
or would reuse high elf skin
jovial coral
Resistant to knock back effects plus something else
zealous basalt
and if we are black dragons
shamans is a must
But tbh i would prefer if they make like...all the flights merged into one faction that would help the champions of azeroth ones to heal azeroth
jovial coral
I can see vulpera getting feign death racial
Sethrak can get cannibalize but they swallow the body whole
steel venture
I could see a dracinoid model for playable dragons.
zealous basalt
Well...I don't think the Faithful are...that savage
steel venture
EX: like D&D Dragonborn.
hollow dock
theyre still animals Brownnose
If worgen can consume humans cannibalistically I don't see why Sethrak are any different
zealous basalt
i think you meant me
Vris
but the whole body?
in a single swallow?
wouldn't that make them slow later?
strange falcon
in my personal OPINION ,best active racials for both are: a 3-5 sec disorient for vulpera,and a poison spit for sethrak
hollow dock
I'd say eh. A forsaken consumes a whole person without a stomach
steel venture
Drakonids could honestly fill the "playable dragon" niche that people have wanted.
zealous basalt
aren't they supposed to be
hollow dock
and I mean. A lot
steel venture
And it can apply to all of the flights.
Most likely would use a tauren skeleton, tbh.
uncut vault
knowing blizzard, we'll get dragon elves, green skinned blood elf skeleton with scale themed hairstyles and no variations
steel venture
And yeah, blessed mortals / constructed individuals by the dragonflights.
zealous basalt
keep abusing dat blood elf skeleton
steel venture
Draenei skeleton? 🤔
hollow dock
I'd rather them have an entirely brand new structure as a new full race
zealous basalt
i just like when they charge
steel venture
They did it pretty well for Mogu.
hollow dock
not some shitty allied race
zealous basalt
well
Kul tiran and Zandalari trolls seem somewhat unique
more than the rest of the allied races
I could see them doing that kind of stuff later
hollow dock
yes and they're butchered up versions of our current models. Meant to be just stand ins that aren't much better than the base races.
These are freaking half dragons
Fill in that fantasy
zealous basalt
How difficult is to add a new skellie?
hollow dock
All they'd have to do is make sure that the skeleton can perform the animations for the classes.
that's it.
zealous basalt
watch it wrathion being the first new dragon-type model
strange falcon
it's quite a difficult task,considering you have to make around 300+ animations,fit all the armor at least decently on it,etc etc
steel venture
We know how the animation teams least favorite thing to do is create new races.
zealous basalt
just
hollow dock
that's the point of the new skeleton system
zealous basalt
copy what you have and adjust them
hollow dock
you can blanket out the animations.
steel venture
We've seen how long it takes them to make new animations regardless.
With the BFA panel.
hollow dock
Look at the Sethrak for example
zealous basalt
ye
hollow dock
A brand new skeleton
hollow dock
uses things from the pandaren
that's my point Mak
they could do that for a brand new race
zealous basalt
Lets turn on the blend
and throw in animations for draconic races
Draenei-tauren?
and pls
with a functional tail
hollow dock
they're only cute when NOT crushing people
steel venture
NAGA BRUTES ARE CUTE FIGHT ME.
hollow dock
no that's his idle I think
steel venture
THEY HAVE KITTEN TAILS.
hollow dock
I'll fight you easy
steel venture
THEY HAVE THE BUMPER-CAR KITTEN TAIL.
literally watch one walk around and their tail sticks right up
its adorable
steel venture
also thats the /use animation btw
zealous basalt
that gets bullied easily from the other nagas
zealous basalt
I love how bwonsandi fishes
hollow dock
anyways. Final verdict: Gimme full new race for dragons.
hollow dock
None of this half-assed allied race baloney
zealous basalt
I mean
I am all up for real dragon patch with true races
i cant say dragon exp because we already had it
hollow dock
we still haven't had an expansion that is 100% dedicated to dragons btw.
just had one with a dragon boss that appeared once at the start and once at the end
zealous basalt
ye but i don't think people would like helping a dragon
heck, people would prefer hunting them
steel venture
TBH: I wouldn't mind an actual dragon expansion.
hollow dock
that's literally what we did for a long time
BC, WotLK, Cata, MoP.
Heck even in WoD and Legion
we helped dragons
zealous basalt
ye, but they werent in danger of extintion, and they were evilz
steel venture
Use the Dragon Isles as the location for it instead of wasting them in BFA.
zealous basalt
no, i mean hunting them
zealous basalt
da blacks
hollow dock
Over in WotLK? We helped the reds, greens and bronze
as well as in BC, we help the bronze in the Caverns of time
zealous basalt
cata we helped them
hollow dock
in cata we help all the fights including the remaining blues against the blacks and twilights but that's jsut in the background
in MoP we help the last black dragon help us
in WoD we have chromie helping us
and in Legion we have the blues we're helping and Chromie again.
hollow dock
Like most of WoW is us helping dragons
hollow dock
the only time that's not true is WCs 1-3
hollow dock
I don't know a single dragon that would willingly align and fight for the horde.
steel venture
An expansion that actually treats the dragons as a proper race instead of a plot device would be nice.
zealous basalt
ebonhorn is dumb
hollow dock
Ebonhorn is just there by virtue of his position as the highmountains head spiritwalker
that's it
hollow dock
He's made an oath to Mayla to continue being in that position.
zealous basalt
some other thing for horde
steel venture
Even "cleansed" black dragons would be more aligned to the Horde ideals.
zealous basalt
horde did a lot of shit to them tho
steel venture
They were iindividuals that didn't shy away from warfare even before their corruption, despite being more benevolent prior to corruption.
zealous basalt
but if it past bfa
hollow dock
Do you honestly think they'd align themselves with races that treat them like pure animals?
zealous basalt
with some new warchief that treats them like the nice things they are
steel venture
And ... lets be honest every single last black dragon we killed in modern history was evil as fuck.
hollow dock
cough coughtheorcs
zealous basalt
well, corruption again
Black dragons were the noblest things in the world b4 corruption
steel venture
and 90% sure they'd be one of the few things to put orcs in their place if we had a large non-corrupt percentage
which actually BFA seems to be setting up
hollow dock
The reds? The black dragons kin and sister flight prior to their corruption?
Just going to forget that?
steel venture
(Are we going to forget they were just as xenophobic and Rhea also experimented on black dragons as if they were nothing more than animals.)
Like, straight up tortured Nyxondra and forced her to lay eggs for them to be sacrificed to science.
zealous basalt
She was very sorry about that tho
steel venture
Wrathion, that little shit, is a chimera between multiple dragons.
A literal abomination to the Red Dragonflight in all context, to be honest.
He's composed of:
One wild black dragon egg.
One "captive" black dragon egg.
The corpse of a dead, wild black whelpling.
All that combined with the titanic device literally sewing everything together on a molecular level made our powerful little asshat that we know today.
zinc sandal
Delicious
zealous basalt
The xenophobic ones were the ones that were corrupted and mind twisted, nile, im very sure that if we had a newer dragonflight, or if we ever saw Neltharion's dragonflight before the corruption, the would be really noble
hollow dock
I mean. If you want to try and villianize them sure
Did you actually do that questline?
Literally every other line is riddled with "It's not pretty and I regret it but it needs to get done sow e don't wipe out an entire race of individuals"
which is a farcry more than what the Kul Tirans did. Had the Thornspeakers not said "fuck off" to the rest of the Drust, we'd have no Drust left alive
In which using titan essence from multiple dragonflights, they create Wrathion. A cleansed black dragon
the equivalent of what was used to make Ebonhorn but wrathion was made from a much less powerful source of titan energy
zealous basalt
thus why ebonhorn is still vulnerable to old god whispers
Though i don't see why the red dragonflight would hunt wrathion when they created him
hollow dock
Because he escaped.
He was an unknown and with him going rogue and killing the people who were trying to keep him alive of course they'd think he's gone evil.
In all honesty the more I think of it the more I think he relates a lot to the Ishvalan from FMA.
zealous basalt
weeb
but ye
back to main topic
I would adore a real dragon related expantion with dragons for alliance
prolly new race+class
ruby star
I'm honestly hoping for High Elves,Wildhammer,Sneks,Arrooka and black dragons
zealous basalt
inb4 blizzard's "everyone is here"
strange falcon
wildhammer have already been thoroughly been debunked by blizzard themselves like 2 months ago,they said "no plans for bfa" specifically
ruby star
They say that to like every allied race
As they can't exactly confirm them
But yeah I Don't see them happening in BFA (Wildhammer)
strange falcon
"no plans for bfa" doesnt seem like "cant exactly confirm them"
strange falcon
they got pretty much the same response as blood trolls when the "blood trolls allied race" fiasco happened,just softened because it could happen in next expac
ruby star
I mean theres many races I see happening in BFA regardless of what they say
Vulpera- horde
Sneks Alliance
High Elves alliance
San'alyn horde ?
strange falcon
hIgH hElVeS 
sharp bluff
I don’t think anyone is getting snakes now
sharp bluff
They have no choke animation
strange falcon
is that a dealbreaker e.e
sharp bluff
For strangulate
Vulpera do though
Well any race a player can be has the strangulate animation I believe, the force choke one
Snakes just have the daze effect
uncut vault
its almost like sethrak, if they are going to be playable, arent finished yet and dont have animation or armor work all on live servers 🤔
Warfronts launch the same day as Uldir, right?
hollow dock
I think?
terse patrol
I think Blizzard might be adding high elves as a customization option for either Void Elves or Blood Elves. They added three new Helf skins with the launch, which corresponds with the number of golden eye skins. So, who knows. Might not even happen.
But I know if Blood Elves got the high elves, there will be riots.
@hollow dock
terse patrol
damn scalies
uncut vault
I mean, I dont think there would be riots if they properly explained why in the story
I could see it happening in a post-Horde world, where the blood elves are dealt with as blood elves, not Horde elves.
terse patrol
I can’t see Vereesa joining the Horde
uncut vault
She wouldnt, which is one of the reasons I hope the faction restrictions do fade after BfA, so that characters can stand as themselves, not tied to a binary faction system
zealous basalt
🅱ias
terse patrol
So, I suspect they’ll be added for void elves if they’re added
Because if they gave even more customization to Belves, the Helf fan population will riot.
i doubt blizz wants to open that can of worms
zealous basalt
it wont happen with the bunch of entitled people
steel venture
inb4 they're added to both velves and helves
belves
i mean
too many fucking elves
ok
hollow dock
there's not enough elves
Blizzard needs to take WotC stance on elves
place them into every single dimension and plane of existence in its universes
uncut vault
I mean, if I could get some dark skin and blue eyes on velfs AND belfs, Id be more than happy
uncut vault
the and is key in the sentence
zealous basalt
We need more skinny elves
So port
how do you think the dragon isles wil be?
Isles with dragons
or with no dragons at all?
jovial coral
The rumor is wrathion will be there
hollow dock
Ah the structure of including both would mean both are lacking it rather than ones having it and the other isn't. At least as I've always read that sort of lumping. My mistake.
zealous basalt
noes
uncut vault
Anduin only has 51m
strange falcon
they buffed it recently didnt they
uncut vault
its definitely insane now
zealous basalt
think it would kill you if you dont heal it if someone has stacked mastery?
dense plover
i thought it was 1 point gives the initial 10%
then it scales after that
because it was scaling too slowly
so essentially instead of starting at 1%, you start at 10%
uncut vault
nah people have like 140% mastery now
uncut vault
IMO, they need to reduce it to 5% per point, and give back like 5-10% ability damage
make it so that its not so extreme on both ends
zealous basalt
they are still getting feedback to balance it
uncut vault
it is nice that theyre willing to do such big changes this early
zealous basalt
coughs they need to make changes to ww too tho coughs
dense plover
oh
zealous basalt
also
dense plover
so its a temporary thing
zealous basalt
why are these mobs such bitches?
dense plover
becase it was so broken
dense plover
it did in beta
and alliance one still does
horde one is broken i tthink
or alliance one is
¯_(ツ)_/¯
zealous basalt
inb4 someone in the other channel shits on beta testers for not testing correctly and blames them all for the bugs
dense plover
a lot of bugs in live werent in beta
but some of the bigger ones were and still are
those are frustrating
like the end cutscene for nazmir not working
uncut vault
Im not getting any rep from the war campaign on alliance
dense plover
huh
alliance war campaign has some quests that dont
but some do
and they have more that do than horde
thats what the problem is porter
but it seems not everyone is running in to this problem
ruby star
@terse patrol Those High Elf skin files are 100% not for Void Elves or Blood Elves
For male and female two skins were renamed to Highelf_skin_01_a & Highelf_skin_01_b in beta, and when BFA went live a new female skin file was added called Highelf_skin_03_C_1. They are under the Blood Elf model in the files, however for good reason, if they made the High Elf model area in playable (alliance) then it would kind of give it away they are working on them. For starters the new file skin renames can't be just to clean their "database" or whatever up, as why then add a brand new skin file? can't be just for an NPC as High Elves are not major in BFA story currently, unless Blizzard is working on them to be in BFA at somepoint, there option it could be, High Elf allied race is being worked on (hence why they wouldn't jsut move it into a sepertate high elf model area yet) Blood Elves blue eyes (which I really DOUBT blizzard would do, especially the backlash it would cause, and it making no sense at all) or just for NPC High Elves, which I don't see why, they'd waste time and resources if they are not major in BFA yet.
the skin file, could be for a test slider converting it from the belf skin files to actual character files it mean's like when there trying to put aspects of a race/character into different things for instance eye shaders, face shapes, hair styles etcit either means there moving it for blood elf blue eyes (don;'t see that ever happening) ....or means there finally giving high elves the actual race file treatment and giving us more facial options for them...or for npc's
jovial coral
Or you are being fooled
hollow dock
you can't really fool someone with the data files Brown.
jovial coral
Well I dont see high elves being a playable race in the future
Maybe I'm fooling myself. It's just that alliance already has void elves for them to get high elves too would be odd. The average player would be like "alliance has more blood elf options than horde".
They'd have to give horde undead night elves or something
Too much elf bloat
sudden oak
they can just give us san'layn
and if there is something Vris and I can agree
is that there are never enough elves
jovial coral
Very well. I don't like it but I guess that's reasonable
Hopefully they give alliance black dragon to give the faction a human-esque impression.
Then horde, some kind of troll.
languid yoke
having played through the alliance campaign, the chances of san'layn happening is close to 0
and I am very very very very very very okay with that
we got enough elves
hollow dock
Horde got night elves tho
sudden oak
there are never enough elves
hollow dock
Wouldn't that line already seem very fucking odd all things considered
tulip sun
Ok, i just have one problem.
How would blood elves make no sense? I understand not doing it due to backlash, etc...but lore wise it would be reasonable.
Blood elves with blue eyes*
sudden oak
and killing one blood prince is not going to make the rest of the San'layn vanish
hollow dock
One: Blue eyes, or at least the glowing variant, is due to a vast amount of arcane energy.
Here's the issue. Sunwell isn't arcane based anymore
it's Light based
languid yoke
I didn't say that killing him will make the rest vanish
tulip sun
It is both is it not?
hollow dock
Not as far as we're aware.
languid yoke
more like their behaviour
hollow dock
High elves aren't tied to it anymore
their pilgrimages are just out of respect of the Sunwell than requirements
tulip sun
The Sunwell is a fount of mystical power located in the Sunwell Plateau on the Isle of Quel'Danas. While its waters, holy to the high elves,[1] were originally pure arcane power,[2][3]it has since been restored as a fount of both arcane and Light energy.[4][5][6]
hollow dock
and since the sunwell is turning their eyes YELLOW and not BLUE
it's pretty obvious that the sunwell is gving a FONT OF LIGHT and not arcane
otherwise it'd be turning their eyes back to blue and not green
tulip sun
It is -both-
hollow dock
And so how is it that the blood elves haven't gotten their blue eyes yet?
tulip sun
The same reason gold eyes were not added until this expansion
Ask the damn devs
But it makes sense
hollow dock
So why not add in the blue eyes with yellow eyes if that's the case
Like. think for yourself for a moment here.
tulip sun
Dont ask me, lol. But you camt argue with facts Vris.
jovial coral
If you mix light with anything other than void you probably get the light color
hollow dock
Facts of someone elses writing down on a wiki page. Even though there's pretty staggering logical evidence against it that we're shown both in game and in lore. No blood elves ever reclaimed their blue eyes due to fel radiation and the Sunwell being blessed with Light has since kinda proven that their eyes turned Golden and not back to Blue as the devs even stated during BC that their eyes would maybe turn gold one day and not back to blue.
tulip sun
Devs stated theyd return blue too.
zealous basalt
The sunwell is more light than arcane in these moments tho
tulip sun
The Sunwell is Light and Arcane based. Why would a blood elf who uses the arcane daily to great extents eventuslly get.golden eyes? Think about that.
And no, I am going from what is stated
There is a referenced interview with a dev saying this about blue eyes. They wont all become gold.
hollow dock
Because the source they drawn on is light based. Why if they draw upon arcane so much that Fel is still their main taint? Of which isn't it odd that fel tainted mages can exist considering that we explain that fel and arcane can't actually mix?
tulip sun
You obviously are.not reading what i showrd you.
hollow dock
Well bugger it then. High elves don't exist I suppose
tulip sun
Several canon books and such have referenced it as much light as arcane now.
What does any of this have to donwith high elves existing?
hollow dock
Because blizzard is adamant on blue eyes being their only separation
remove that
what do they have?
tulip sun
That is a philosophy or political difference.
They already removed that
Arator for instamce has gold wyes
Eyes*
hollow dock
Whelp their all blood elves now
tulip sun
The only difference between him and liadrin is what they call themselves
hollow dock
Yea. They're both blood elves now because there's nothing that actually changes that.
tulip sun
Sure, if you wamma say that.
hollow dock
There's no hope for what I want. Clearly because its what I want. Player high elves wont exist due to blue eye'd blood elves. thanks kham for all your support.
tulip sun
I am just explaining why things probably wouldnt work. 👍
hollow dock
Whelp. Don't complain when I thrust down all your allied race hopes. Explaining why they probably wouldn't work and all that.)
zealous basalt
That is outright salt and it is going to be ignored, vris
hollow dock
it's not salt. It's a statement.
since they tend to complain towards me for stomping out other allied race ideas
zealous basalt
Just because your high elf hope has been crushed doesnt mean you can crush other theories/speculations
hollow dock
That's literally what happened onto me. Why can't I do it to others that are just as nonsensical?
tulip sun
Vris, I am not trying to be mean.
zealous basalt
Even khamnin was just saying how could they work
But you got directly into defensive aggresive
Acting like the victim instead of coming back
Or just saying "I accept your point of view, there could be blue eyed blood elves later in the future but my point still stands"
Instead what did you do
"Oh, then high elves dont exist"
hollow dock
Because that's literally. All there is to them. Blizzard refuses to do anything else for them.
If they've refused to give them anything but blue eyes for the past 14 years, why would I believe they would change that?
Please. Inform me how I should be thinking.
zealous basalt
They have their own reasons not opened to clients
Why would we know of them?
You do you, Vris, but acting like a brat just because of what Kham said is not how you should be thinking. If there are files now, something big is coming for High elves
Dro skipped this chance but I'm going to say it
A small probability is that they kill all the high elves including Vereesa
jovial coral
The reactions will be sweet
zealous basalt
The minor of the windrunner is the one who receives most hate
Exterminate them Alliance side
Make some scenario where blood elves can manifest blue eye color
Make eye color a thing for blood elves
Problem solved with Ion words still there
hollow dock
Well you can accept that then.
For me, I'll keep to what I love. I'll keep to the stories I made instead of just waiting for blizzard to kill off my own creations that they encouraged me to create.
zealous basalt
It's the risk we all have with playing a game that is always evolving
Suceptible to changes after all
We can just speculate however
hollow dock
Speculate away. We'll keep crushing each others speculations like always.
zealous basalt
If that is the case
hollow dock
Anyways. Now that I've cooled off. Apologies are needed.
tulip sun
Honestly, that was my first thought in bfa
After what Ion said
Theyd kill off the Silver Covenant somehow
zealous basalt
Again
I think some high elf people are hypocrites
They want high elves
But hate Vereesa
jovial coral
Aah I thought you were going to say, thinking we won't get high elves is also speculative
hollow dock
I specifically hate Vereesa.
Most of the high elf players actually love and adore her.
terse patrol
High Elves will never be a unique allied race.
If they do them, they’ll be a skin option.
@hollow dock amirite or amirite
zealous basalt
Didnt ion say that there were few high elves?
hollow dock
Has it really only been a week of BFA? Manit feels like two.
strange falcon
it feels like two because it released on a monday
so you have reset at wednesday(if you're eu)
rocky juniper
How I feel after the Siege of Boralus Cinematic.
https://youtu.be/CB-KlpJxAwg?t=60
ruby star
tulip sun
Ya, i saw that
Funny how bluzz confirmed the azsjara warbringer yet it is not on tje lidt
The list
strange falcon
https://www.wowhead.com/news=286576&webhook/warbringers-azshara-revealed-on-august-24th-at-gamescom @ruby star OFFICIAL PRESS STATEMENT
ruby star
Oooh
I didn't see that
I mean I don't 100% believe them leaks, but I will keep an open mind as stuff does get leaked at gamescon etc sometimes
but thats great!
hollow dock
the leaks pretty bad tbh.
They said that Mephisto is at Gamescon yea?
Already revealed prior to it
hollow dock
and just today the video was released
Mephisto is next, but as their gamescon announcement? Doubtful. Especially since they also announced the Hanamura rework.
So what's left for HOTS to reveal at gamescon?
ruby star
Aye
though I'd love an alliance old solider style cinematic, so part of me hope that part is true, which it likely is not true
steel venture
this doesn't really seem like a decent leak at all.
sullen dagger
a genn vid would be awesome
steel venture
like if it's legit, this gamescom is going to be very underwhelming tbh.
like this feels more like rushed footnotes versus "get hype"
also nothing screams "zandalari and kul tirans" like ... getting rep up with a naga-resistance faction. yea ok
If it's legit, I know they said they were going to use naga for the second tier, but at the same time blowing it on another, crappy tanaan jungle / broken shore style area? Seriously? :/
Since it literally sounds like a repeat of tanaan / broken shore already but just with void + naga instead of fel + demons.
hollow dock
Probably.
So enjoy yet another major villain that's been in the background get reduced to absolutel ynothing more thana loot piñata.
steel venture
So it's just going to be "OH NOES. NAGA."
Despite Azshara being built up for years upon years.
hollow dock
Looking at you Ghoulish Daniel and Elisande.
steel venture
inb4 nzoth is the "super secret mythic-only" boss
ruby star
I am more interested in the Anduin (aLLIANCE) Vs Slynvnas (horde) stuff
hollow dock
God that'd piss everyone right the fuck off.
At least when they did it with Cho'gall it made sense
I doubt that's actually what'll happen.
steel venture
Sounds right up Blizzard's alley for how they're already dropping all of their oldgod shit on the table so early though right? Pff.
terse patrol
I still think Azshara likely won’t die.
hollow dock
I dont want a repeat of Ozumat
ruby star
@slender thicket I agree it's most likely fake, though there is the slight possibility it is true sadly
hollow dock
where he comes in
strange falcon
she pulls a gul'dan and comes back next expac e.e
hollow dock
faffs around a bit
steel venture
i would prefer that
ruby star
@hollow dock *
hollow dock
and then fucks off for years and no one knows what happened after
ruby star
I tagged wrong person xD
steel venture
her coming in and leading into an actual old god expansion would be the best way to handle her
strange falcon
well,with ozumat,they were planning to do a raid for his story,called the abyssal maw
but it was scrapped
steel venture
ny'alotha is literally untouched
strange falcon
you can still see the entrance,the portal was supposed to be in,
terse patrol
My tinfoil idea was her being integral to Sargeras being freed. She might still be wanting to hook up with him, since he was the only one who she ever saw as on par with her. N’zoth I think is just a tool to her.
A stepping stone
We’ll see thi
tho
hollow dock
at the same time we don't actually think Ny'alotha is a place we can get to and turn into a questing hub effectively
we have to die and get sucked up by the old ones that we're pretty adamant on not letting happen.
steel venture
shes not
in love
with sargeras
for the love of god
she literally only viewed him as a worthy consort because she viewed HERSELF as equivilent to a god
hollow dock
She saw him as the only possible thing that could be her mate.
granted that's not love. that's just narcissism at its finest.
steel venture
yeah
she wasn't enamored with him in the slightest she was like ":) yes, i'm only worthy of being the partner of a god thank you. because i am one."
hollow dock
which I hope they don't get rid of
terse patrol
We’ll see. I think she’s going to be part of what ends the Old Gods, but not because she’s a good guy.
hollow dock
oh god another redemption theory?
steel venture
If we actually go to Nazjatar I want it to be like, the opposite of Suramar.
terse patrol
Nah
steel venture
Instead of the citizens wanting our help they're fucking terrified of us.
terse patrol
I think she’s going to take out N’zoth for thinking he could try to use her as a pawn.
hollow dock
if we go to Nazjatar I want it to be an expansion.
steel venture
Because they've been in an azshara-worshiping cult for so long
terse patrol
She’s prolly been playing the long game
hollow dock
Think it, Nazajatar leading into Ny'alotha.
What if she's just accepted what Ghoulish Daniel resisted?
that it doesn't matter who you are, there is always a master you serve.
terse patrol
Nah, Azshara is too full of herself. I think she’ll be defeated and run off. And when we fight N’zoth, she’ll interject and kill him, and proably eat his power or someshit.
steel venture
Honestly the Naga are the only race that don't seem to be exclusively pawns of the old gods.
hollow dock
Nah. I doubt most of them are even aware of N'zoth
steel venture
They are the only ones that seem to utilize their pact to their advantage for mutual benefits. Versus y'know, all totally insane.
Nah they know about the faceless and N'zoth and the void and all that shit.
hollow dock
their religion of Azshara is to strong that they can just stave off the whispers.
steel venture
we saw it in vash'jir
but they only view them as their allies
versus their masters.
terse patrol
Ye, I’ve never seen a Naga who follows the Old God s directly
They all babble about Azshara
hollow dock
I mean. How much of it is individuality and how much of it is just Azshara telling them to think that way?
is my question to counter that.
steel venture
Individuality was confirmed at a BlizzCon QnA to explain why the Coilskar stayed with the Illidari after Vashj's death / why there are felsworn naga.
steel venture
However a cult is a cult, probably 90% of the naga population is in said cult.
Eh true.
HOPEFULLY we see it expanded on since we've only got minor drabbles about naga lore.
hollow dock
While yes some naga can break off and form theirown shinding, I'd really doubt most of them would consider anything else to be anything unless Azshara told em to. Which is kinda the point of being in the cult as you pointed out.
terse patrol
I suspect we’re going to meet neutral naga soon.
hollow dock
I just want to know how the Naga have children.
steel venture
I'd be all for Azshara presenting herself as the ultimate god + the old gods are just steps for her in her own little fabricated pantheon.
Eggs.
terse patrol
@hollow dock They have spawning pools so
hollow dock
yes and they give birth to full grown naga right out the bat.
steel venture
It's been confirmed it's spawning pools / eggs.
Goblin starting zone.
hollow dock
I dont really take the goblin starting area as an accurate representation all things considered
steel venture
There's hatchlings there though.
hollow dock
yes. Which are full grown naga.
hollow dock
Have you looked at their models?
terse patrol
They just didnt bother making new models vris
steel venture
Yes because there's no naga child model.
hollow dock
which is why I want to actually see it before I believe it
steel venture
Also, snakes look like mini-versions of adults when they're hatchlings.
Most snake species only get more vibrant when they're adults, not drastically change outside of length really.
hollow dock
Yes they do but there's a lot of noticeable differences as the edges haven't actually grown in for most species that aren't rounded out and even then, the scales never match up quite well due to having to live with things wanting to eat them.
Hence why I will want to actually see an effort put onto that. rather than the rushed job that is cataclysm.
uncut vault
So, yeah, “leak” was already kinda proven wrong
Didn’t show the main new thing for HotS, Hanamura revamp
zealous basalt
Ranishu allied race when
strange falcon
what are you saying mako,lichen race when
they already have a lichen king with frostmourne
zealous basalt
Lichen and ranishu next allied races
sullen dagger
Lichen?
steel venture
mushroom podlings.
thats really all they are
azeroth podlings
that're mushrooms
sullen dagger
The next allied race will be lightforged undeads and ice trolls
Clearly
Also not not high elves
strange falcon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/291597807557541888/480541186499543050/unknown.png @sullen dagger
these dudes
sullen dagger
Lol
jovial coral
Lightforged undead is a must
jovial coral
It's cool though
ruby star
They are abominations xD
night swift
Undead are like the opposite of the light
night swift
Well in lore Undead Priests don’t technically use the light
The only exception is Alonsus Fol in the priest order hall
night swift
That too^
night swift
Yeah lightforging basically has the light flow through your blood, so undead would just be in constant pain
sudden oak
does that mean that alonsus faol is a big masochist?
night swift
Theres probably lore as to why he uses light but I never read it
sudden oak
lightforged undead would be more like an undead risen by the light
instead of a undead being lightforged
so they dont suffer by the light
night swift
Lightforged undead wpuld probably just be someone whose corpse was just turned back to normal
And not an actual undead
jovial coral
I'd say they'd look like nathanos with gold eyes
limber mural
so humans with gold eyes
tulip sun
Dont regular undead have some white eye options?
sudden oak
nope
jovial coral
There's gotta be something cooler than eye color to show they're lightforged
hollow dock
@night swift Calia isn't in constant pain and she's a light blessed undead.
also yes there are Undead-Forsaken that use the holy light
but it's mostly the masochists that do it.
since it doesn't actually cause pain, it just reverses their undeadness
so they feel their rotting skin and all that good stuff.
zealous basalt
Is sylvanas in constant pain
hollow dock
no?
ruby star
zealous basalt
bias
hollow dock
randomly from BGs
ruby star
Hi
terse patrol
Whats the best way to grind 7th Legion rep?
ruby star
World quests, weekly Azerite islands thing etc
zealous basalt
well
tbh
7th legion rep is really easy
you get 2000 min daily if you do all the quests
wqs*
plus 1600 if you do the azerite island
languid yoke
make sure you completed all the side quests available to alliance on zandalar as well
and wanted quests
languid yoke
they sometimes give tons of rep as well
languid yoke
except the 5-man wanted quest in vol'dun, that one gives 0 rep
zealous basalt
Turtle gives a lot
languid yoke
turtles are ez too
zealous basalt
180p
languid yoke
less wq, but more rep reward
zealous basalt
And they are really easy
ruby star
Aye but boring
ruby star
I don't like the turtles
ruby star
The little kids are annoying af
ruby star
They are on panda level if annoying xD
dense plover
i mean
thats kind of the intent?
literally every race who has met them hates them
they are slow and are always talking
they never shut up
they always complain
theyre supposed to be annoying
otherwise the complaints from the npcs wouldnt make sense
ornate pivot
zealous basalt
what do they say?
also i didn't notice some races didnt like them
i actually like them
dense plover
the zandalari and the kul tirans both cant stand them
the quest with talanji talking with the turtles shows that
she comments on how they always tell stories
zealous basalt
Liek with
Keeshan and Shandris?
also i liked the detail
of asking Shandris how did she have the invisibility potion
zealous basalt
When do warfront opens?
terse patrol
@zealous basalt Around September 4th
zealous basalt
Along Mythic+ and Uldir?
terse patrol
ye
zealous basalt
Same tier of gear?
hollow dock
In ilvl yea
dense plover
sort of
warfronts are 370
so i think thats around heroic raid
because mythic is 385
zealous basalt
Ah
zealous basalt
So in terms of content
dense plover
which i believe is equivalent to normal
zealous basalt
What be better to catch up?
dense plover
so once a week you get a piece of heroic equivalent
then you can run it i think once a day? maybe more for normal ilvl equivalent gear
well you only get the 370 gear once a week when your warfront is active
zealous basalt
Ah
dense plover
the main use of warfronts isnt the gear, but the rep and azerite from donating stuff
you get 750 AP and 175 (might be more) rep per donation
zealous basalt
And fun stuff