Since priests can use other methods for healing
#beta-ptr-spoilers
uncut vault
So far it’s only big bodies, thin ones are for NPC diversity
night swift
Gotcha
hollow dock
kul tiras had its heritage armor revealed? @terse patrol
hollow dock
it appears on a boss and on the NPCs tho
terse patrol
So it’d be an equivalent to Mag’har’s armor colors I guess
Dunno yet
But lets hope
Because it looks excellent
night swift
This was a teaser for allied races
So that armor could be the heritage armor
Theres just no helmets, which might be a pirate hat?
terse patrol
I suspect we’ll get a tricorne maybe
strange falcon
if you want a tricorne,go to antorus leather rogue set
zealous basalt
tricorne
more like
fedora
You know
it is nice to see all those heritage sets
BUT WEAPONS?
sharp bluff
They mined the heritage armor for them a while back
That is their armor
Has different colors like maghar
sullen dagger
Pvp armor this season is friggin fantastic
For alliance at least
Im gonna pvp
And that ain't happened in AGES
since end of bt iirc
jade basalt
Apparently, Bwonsamdi is now always present at Rastakhan's throne, only visible while dead
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282770114724495360/479722951239925771/unknown.png
terse patrol
2 spooky
sharp bluff
Yep, not sure when they did that
terse patrol
#totallynotabaddie
sharp bluff
If you step back enough it looks like he is talking to him
zealous basalt
tmw someone calls bs on blizzard making a cliffhanger on the stories
lavish pawn
bwonsamdi for warchief!
tropic trail
Do we know who the Captain is in the Alliance/Kul Tiras final cinematic?
He looks a lot like Daelin Proudmoore's model, if not the same
Except he's blonde, like Jaina
ruby star
@tropic trail https://wow.gamepedia.com/Tandred_Proudmoore
zealous basalt
"That bloke in the red shirt over there told me I "wasn't canon". Well, obviously! I'm a mariner, not a cannon!"
Wait what
onyx mason
So lasvkh has an old God’s scroll
tropic trail
Well that explains it 😄
sullen dagger
Lol that reference e
zealous basalt
I have a question, do Horde find Derek's body?
Wasn't it supposed to be just ash?
uncut vault
probably retconning his death a bit, have him just sunk at sea
zealous basalt
ah
ruby star
@uncut vault apparently horde took dereks dead body
My guess is they will make him a forsaken 😡
Tandred Proudmoore is awesome
tulip sun
I mean
zealous basalt
with Derek being turned into an undead
uncut vault
According to the quests with nathanos, theyre going to specifically be using his body against Katherine
tulip sun
That is kinda the point of the last war campaihn mission xD
uncut vault
probably threatening to raise him in exchange for something
zealous basalt
They are going to make jaina more pissed i stg
ruby star
Jaina would get pretty pissed. I could see Tandred getting pissed too, I hope they develop him more too now hes back.
hollow dock
so Question
How do you trigger the quest of Katherine and Jaina? Is it just do Tol Dagor's quest?
hollow dock
Ah alright.
ruby star
Then you'll get a quest from Genn in boruals I believe
hollow dock
thanks Dror.
ruby star
You're welcome!
zealous basalt
boruals pls
reminds me of the sentenx and tichmondrus typos in the looking for group back in legion
ruby star
@uncut vault What 8.1 stuff do you think they'll announce and tease at gamescon? Of course they'll show Azhsara warbringer. I think they'll announce the Nazajtar raid (as we know we fight azshara) tell us kul'tiran and Zamdalsr classea officially. Perhaps tease more allied races? And maybe a new zone in 8.1? Plunder isle? Or?
rustic mountain
Why can’t I attack any WQ monsters on the other factions area? Keeps saying “invalid target”???
ruby star
I feel dragon isle patch could be 8.3 or 8.2 and bring in a Dragon allied race (drankoid or something) @zealous basalt
uncut vault
Safest bet is that we'll get whatever zone comes with Azshara, since it's going to be a full on patch unlike 7.1. Probably Warfront: Barrens, show off the new season/warfront gear, and like you said, the Warbringer. I don't think they quite have enough time to explain everything, as I didnt see a WoW-specific slot at Gamescom,. and opening ceremony announces all their stuff
zealous basalt
I awnt dragons to be alliance only tbh
ruby star
@zealous basalt Seems likely
ruby star
Wrathion was in Alliance embassy then was disabled/hidden and no NPC replaced his spot. Also Wrathion supports Alliance and blizzard is teasing dragin isle so 😉 @zealous basalt
uncut vault
both sides currently have potential set up for the dragon isles, whenever we go there
Wrathion for Alliance, Ebonhorn for Horde
uncut vault
I think he knows that it wasnt this Horde
ruby star
Stellagosa apparently was in horde embassy but was "removed" aka was disabled or something though not sure if thats true
Though Wrathion 100% was in Alliance embassy
And it links into Dragon Isle bring teased
So I could see a black dragon allied race happening when dragon isle happens. And they'd go alliance
@uncut vault dragon isle could restore Wrathions dragin flight to its full orginal power or give Wrathion all his fathers powers who knows
uncut vault
Really depends on what is there, so far we have no information from canon
ruby star
I mean I honestly see Slyvanas trying to use any power the dragon isle has which of course we don't know
Perhaps make a death aspect or some shit
zealous basalt
No i mean
I'd like to see the aspects rise again
Vris might be against me because there are no reasons, but the shit going on calls for the ancient protectors of Azeroth
ruby star
Either way them teasing dragon isle and Wrathion appearing in alliance embassy makes me think they might have plans for a dragon allied race. I mean wrathion is an earth dragon flight right? Maybe if his powers are restored he can heal azeroth compelety
But to heal Azeroth and stop it from dying he'd need tk have his fathers powers and restore his dragon flight right? (Black/earth)
Or am I talking bonkers?
dense plover
uh
i maybe found a thing
see where my gravemarker is?
way the fuck north of nazmir?
right as im running out of fatigue, i see a large underwater landmass
fully decorated
uncut vault
that was an underwater island there in beta wasnt there
dense plover
completely out of reach and out of sight from non-fatique areas
there was
im thinking this might be a secret or something
zealous basalt
Dro
dense plover
but i cant do anything to get there without dying
zealous basalt
You are right
And peach
that's too spoilery
what if it raises from the waters
or it is the secret of this xpa
ruby star
@dense plover Awesome try take a look
dense plover
dont think so
its a sandy landmass
i did
its just rocks and sand and stuff
but theres plants and decorations
they spent time placing stuff there
even though you cant see it unless you are going to fatigue
ruby star
@zealous basalt so what I said makes sense? 😃
sonic path
Ah murloc starting zone hype!
ruby star
@dense plover perhaps its a secret or new zone for incoming patch
zealous basalt
I mean, healing azeroth might be a dragon + mortal with red and blu dragons helping the wrath boi
ruby star
Aye aye
zealous basalt
That if we make the black dragons of the expedition help after their rage
I don't think they are corrupted
ruby star
Maybe dragon isle is the only thing which can gice wrathion his fathers powers and restore his dragonflight
zealous basalt
Can someone confirm?
ruby star
The young black dragons in islands drop a scale
Which we hand into wrathions agent at BWL
I don't think they are corrupt
Could be wrong
zealous basalt
just pissed
I mean, they would be correct in being pissed
i know who can confirm me
my reliable betatester
@uncut vault
zealous basalt
... >:T
uncut vault
they do not seem to be corrupted, they're a very intentional foil to the twilight dragons
old, worn down and corrupted vs brand new, fresh to the battle and uncorrupted
zealous basalt
So think the black dragon madness faded with Deathwing?
ruby star
Well Wrathion and his black dragon flight hes trying ti rebuild aren't corrupt so I guess so?
sonic path
Until the source of the corruption is dealt with, there is always a risk though right?
zealous basalt
Unless they have bypassed that titan restriction with Azerite
uncut vault
for all we know, dragon isles have a titan origin and cleansed them
sonic path
Ah true
ruby star
Which is whu wrathions trying to find dragon isle most likely
zealous basalt
do we kno that, port?
dense plover
so uh
zealous basalt
or are you playing with my feelings
ruby star
- to get his fathers powers (heal azeorth or whatever) 2) restore black dragon flight and be uncorrupted
dense plover
secret finding discord said to take a shaman
uncut vault
Nah just logical speculation, only way that they can be uncorrupted now that we know wrathion isnt doing it, and is instead looking for them
dense plover
anyone here have a horde shaman and some spare time?
zealous basalt
kek
uncut vault
why shaman specifically?
dense plover
far sight
ruby star
Ooo someone needs too!!
dense plover
my shaman is 110 and alliance, so i cant get there easily
zealous basalt
do it
sonic path
Water walk like crazy lol
zealous basalt
fucking fatigue
sonic path
I mean water walk until you get to a point to use farsight
dense plover
yeah but i still need someone with farsight
sonic path
Don’t shamans have water walk and farsight, or am I missing something?
ruby star
We need a shaman dammit!
sonic path
Oh sorry I was think you had an ally that could go, nvm
I haven’t started leveling yet, so I could prob corpse run it if I have to if no one else has by the time I get home
dense plover
i think you get teleported back to the graveyard
sonic path
You can walk out there as a ghost, but wouldn’t be able to see much since the range keeps you from seeing stuff
ruby star
Surely someones a shaman xD
sonic path
It would be funny to have classes tied to your discord so you could ping them lol
dense plover
ill get around to checking it eventually
sonic path
Yeah especially those of us that have all or multiple classes :p
zealous basalt
Imagine being an always enraged warrior
rustic mountain
Okay sweet, thank you
dense plover
no
zealous basalt
what is the cap of it?
dense plover
idk, but just due to the fact that the amount you need outweighs the total amount you can actually get on all your gear
like, the average if you just get low amounts on most of your gear is like 15%
i think the highest is probably like 25%
zealous basalt
wait
so
the orcish weapon throw
Is Op because orc race?
I just saw an orc oneshoting an ancient tree protector in Ashenvale
terse patrol
Yeah
I hope so too
Anduin x Taelia is way too easy.
Plus, a scoundrel getting with a princess?
Han Solo and Leia.
@hollow dock
terse patrol
Ehh, you did the Freehold quest with him right? @dense plover
He’s in love with her.
terse patrol
Yeah, the guy asks him about the black haired girl he’s been fawning over, and Flynn quickly changes the subject.
dense plover
Riiiiiight
terse patrol
Clearly he’d talked to his friend about Taelia
hollow dock
Also they bicker like they were an old couple, not like friends would.
That playful bickering/teasing that's also veiled flirting
uncut vault
definitely more of a couple IMO. I'm routing for it half because I love flynn, and half because I really dont want anduin and taelia to be muddled down by a compulsory romance in their leadership plots like thrall was
uncut vault
At this point I just want him to have no romance, because no romance is better than a forced straight one for the sake of 'subverting expectations'
night swift
^
oak wraith
Maybe some King Arthur - Guinevere - Lancelot triangle?
tropic trail
Guinevere is a priest
hollow dock
Is the siege of boralus an unqueable dungeon?
sterile nexus
It's Mythic only
terse patrol
^
zealous basalt
when ur tiger palm deals 3k
night swift
At 120?
Does WW get better at 120? I’m having a rough time with it right and have been leveling as brewmaster
zealous basalt
azerite traits
tropic trail
@night swift It doesn't. Just re-roll.
Well, okay maybe explain a bit. Brewmaster is kinda of a complicated class to play. Sure, it may look fun upfront, but its alot of manage stagger and just throwing barrels and fire breath. I lvled up two monks and im not really happy with the status of monks atm.
If you really wanna be a monk, sure stick with it and hope gets better. Else i would suggest you re-roll if you can.
tropic trail
I still would not recommend playing as em currently. But, hey if you like it. Go for it.
night swift
I ain’t re-rolling
Mained brew during legion and now apart of a raid group prepping for bfa
tropic trail
Fine, don't . Stay with it if you like it. Not going to force you.
night swift
Besides I was talking about Windwalker at 120, not Brewmaster
tropic trail
WW or BW, both are not good imo. Only thing good about Monks atm is Mistweaver
ruby star
@dense plover Did anyone check that large underwater landmass?
zealous basalt
I like how monk is right now
in comparison to other leather classes
deals quite a punch
dense plover
No
ruby star
Rip
strange falcon
if you dungeons yes
if you raids yes too
if you do wqs,they should scale with your own ilvl
dense plover
they scale to a max of 340
zealous basalt
Ohh
thats nice
i can keep the ones i want
erm
which isle is the dragon one where you fite black dragons?
dense plover
its random
those are invasions
any island can have any invasion
which adds a new set of enemies and loot
zealous basalt
ah
dense plover
the base enemies are set for the week
and can be seen in the table
each map shows the enemy and the island
both of which change each week
zealous basalt
ah i see
ty pech
they should remake the monk mastery again
probably make it multi hit
what do you all think?
dense plover
255 i think
but it increases somewhat exponentially
so i doubt anyone will ever get there
zealous basalt
And about the gear
is 3+ilvl boost the best?
Or are we going to see 4+ilvl and more?
zealous basalt
i see
dense plover
it could happen in the future
but we would know becaue there would be new art assets
zealous basalt
how you see bfa so far
dense plover
i found him!
@serene marsh
might be useful for like some kind of easter egg post
serene marsh
cool
hollow dock
Oh hey they changed how the Night elf sentinels with Shandris die
so its no longer as bullshitty
zealous basalt
Shandris is so boring tbh
At least in the first part of the campaign where trollbane explains a really well detailed plan
hollow dock
You've seen her once. and shes' boring? O.o
hollow dock
Originally you board Drevens ship and the sentinels went ahead. He kills his own undead and then kills the sentinels and boasts about it.
Now you meet him in a failed ambush and his blood guard suicide bomb them as they start to die
tulip sun
Hm...
hollow dock
@uncut vault @dense plover since you both are more aware of it than I, did they ditch the idea of the 'aggro ranges' for random mobs in the wild? I remember that being a concept.
tulip sun
So not a boat at all?
Are you sure your not just confusing different parts of tje campaign?
They always have ambushed him in the cave and sentinels died
hollow dock
So what she gets new sentinels and they also die?
zealous basalt
Oof
hollow dock
My question went unanswered
zealous basalt
Like sjesh
Its like you are shitting out for every failure the night elves have
"But they are perfect war people hurr durr"
Chill out
hollow dock
@tulip sun Was talkign about my question to you.
@zealous basalt Me thinks you need to chill. I asked a single question.
ruby star
O_o
zealous basalt
So
zealous basalt
Ye
tulip sun
Likely couldnt get the VA
ruby star
Ah Guess Metzen wasn't able to do it
hollow dock
Which is weird.
They got him for Varian
but not Thrall?
cuz Varian does have new voice lines during Jaina's questline
hollow dock
Nah. He wasn't at all during the Beta
ruby star
part 2 was on beta? (only did Ally on beta)
hollow dock
For vol'jins questline? yes the whole thing was there.
terse patrol
Hm. The Horde attack on Brennadam is hardly changed, in terms of Horde warcrimes. 🤔
Still peasants being speared to walls while their children cry. Peasants being strangled to death, or their heads being taken by trolls. Goblins bragging about collateral damage being approved.
"it's just the Forsaken tho."
@hollow dock
hollow dock
Yea but the reason changed
so apparently that makes it better.
as port pointed out
terse patrol
If anything, it makes it worse.
"Just take the valley and stuff."
Horde troops go on warcrimes campaign
where my horde apologists at
steel venture
It's more or less:
"Players don't like it that Sylvanas ordered them to do these bad things. So make it a nameless general instead."
That's the only real change.
terse patrol
A Forsaken death knight general
hollow dock
its not even a frosaken anymore
its an orc that's the "Grand leader"
while the champion is just overseeing
sullen dagger
thats bs
dense plover
They replaced thrall with rokhan not talanji
And they did it because it makes more sense
Why wouldn’t rokhan be there? He has known voljin longer than anyone, and is also a darkspear troll
It is a much better story choice
ruby star
Talangi is trash, Would of preferred Thrall
tulip sun
Talanji is not trash v.V
tropic trail
I think she is one of the more interesting new characters blizzard has introduced
sudden oak
I cant wait for when Talanji discovers his fathers bargain with bwonsamdi tbh
hollow dock
Talanji is pretty trash tbh. Just another witch doctor troll that'll probably do some morally questionable things that we overlook.
tropic trail
I would say she is very much a priest archetype, not the classical witch doctor
heavy cairn
did siege of boralus as horde, during it I got this quest that was apparently some letter from daelin proudmoore, turning it causes Warbringers: Jaina to play.
uncut vault
Yeah similar system as Legion, quests to see them in game
heavy cairn
would be nice if there was an NPC to rewatch cutscenes
the only NPC I've found so far is one in Dazar'alor, it just allows you to watch Zul's Betrayal and then Mythrax destroying the seal
the latter is actually bugged, it's still using a placeholder from alpha/beta
it teleports you in fromt of King Rastakhan's throne and says AWESOME IN-GAME EVENT
reported bug, but I guess they have too many to fix everything
sharp bluff
oh wow, I just noticed the 7th Legionnaire boots on goats, those are amazing
they need more boots like that
sharp bluff
I did not notice till you mentioned it, amazing
I must see if the horde equivalent does that for Tauren now
dense plover
unlikely
tail for tauren is not as physical as the draenei one
generally, theres just a textured area for a tail hole
ruby star
ruby star
@uncut vault awesome
uncut vault
that kraken is ominous as hell
when you blow the horn he just writhes in the water for a few seconds and goes back to waiting
uncut vault
Well, from what I can see it does have the normal kraken model
kraken are just naturally ominous looking
uncut vault
Well, I think its not coincidence, but I dont think it means anything in particular. Big thing ashvane company did was learn how to ship azerite places, her necklace is a testament to it
dense plover
Hey
If you guys are checking stuff
North of Nazmir
Check that stuff
It’s fully decorated area that can’t be seen until you get close
zealous basalt
So how do you think dragon isles will be
sharp bluff
Will probably rise as part of the naga invasion
is there a similar spot in Kul'Tiras?
dense plover
nah
dragon isles will probably be its own thing
theres like 3 storylines to tie in here
the chromie scenario
wrathion stuff
infinite dragonflight
also
they are 100% not underwater
they just havent been relevant
they will likely be their own area we go to for some reason
plunder isle is also coming
i expect that to be like timeless isle or something, idk
uncut vault
so, doing the base mission upgrades gives you a bit of a quick travel/quest complete thing
once I upgraded the crash site in Nazmir this guy is now next to the flight master, can mount him any time for a minute to run quickly wherever you want
hollow dock
spud is a good boy? @uncut vault
uncut vault
very
zealous basalt
Is 10k good dps?
hollow dock
yes.
zealous basalt
It crafts
strange falcon
@ruby star it crafts 355 gear
strange falcon
you need 15 hydrocore,40 expulsom and some other mats
for just 1 craft
at least for leather(and mail)
strange falcon
yea
uncut vault
Well, they wrapped up the Kul Tiran story a lot faster than I expected
I haven’t finished Zandalari but I assume theirs is mostly wrapped up by the end of the max level story too
strange falcon
"wrapped up" is not the right word
uncut vault
Resolved, I guess is a better word
tropic trail
Well, it's not as resolved as the alliance one because it ties directly into Uldir
So it will be in a few eeks time
After the raid
zealous basalt
So do you think the next allied races are kt and zandalari?
strange falcon
the face on rastakhan's face at the end of the final cinematic
uncut vault
Which is part of the max level story, with the Zandalar Forever cinematic, right?
strange falcon
is enough to say "this is not wrapped up"
zealous basalt
I think
Horde isnt finished with Zandalar
But Alliance is really done with Kul tiras
uncut vault
Or, uh, whatever they’re calling the one with Talanji and Vol’jin
zealous basalt
Horde bias again?
uncut vault
It’s post ghuun, and has a United Zandalar
tropic trail
How is there horde bias? They need to do the raid before they get their completion.
It's not really that different
uncut vault
But I was more speaking about Kul Tiras being relatively finished, since the final Vol’jin cinematic already showed us the ending of Zandalar. I expected Ashvane to be dealt with at a later date, or even in their induction scenario
tropic trail
To come back to your previous question, the story will probably add another zone with the next big content patch, that likely will be on the sea or under water. It's clear that the Raid is Azshara-based, so the storyline will probably take of from Zul and Lady Ashvane being pawns in a bigger game and both factions following these respective threads into the sea
@zealous basalt
And the Zandalar and KT will probably become playable within that frame somehow
uncut vault
We’ll probably find out Wednesday
But next for the Kul Tirans is probably actually using their fleet against the horde like they’ve been building to
Maybe finishing the drust or Tidemother story in their induction
zealous basalt
Wat happens wednesday
strange falcon
dont we kill zul in uldir?
uncut vault
Probably announcing 8.1
tropic trail
It's kinda the com where blizzard always go for "second tier" announcements
at least for the last years
uncut vault
Honestly, it wouldn’t be all that rushed if Kul Tirans and Zandalari got an 8.0.5 just for a balance patch and releasing the allied race inductions
tropic trail
I think blizzard said they wanted to try and match the rythm of legion
So around 2 1/2 month for patches
uncut vault
Their exception was 8.1 being meatier and a bit further out from launch than 7.1 was, so I can only hope we get a patch in between for balance purposes at least
tropic trail
counting the small ones
zealous basalt
Monk ww revamp
strange falcon
i'm quite sure we'll get a class balance patch before the raid
strange falcon
e.e
zealous basalt
Because sidequests arent enough
uncut vault
Yeah, I do expect 8.1 to have an actual full on story zone like Suramar, something that’s lacking in 8.0
uncut vault
I think it’s supposed to be
strange falcon
it's needed to unlock allied races
uncut vault
Has the most world quests, + 1.5k extra each week from islands, it’s tied to the war campaign and allied races
uncut vault
Well I know a person who plays a human, hasn’t used inscription scrolls yet, just done all the world quests and is 2k into revered with the war campaign completed, she missed day 1 of world quests too
I don’t think anyone’s got exalted yet, but people are close
uncut vault
Since people weren’t stacking mastery before the buff, probably atm
ruby star
I feel 8.1 we will get a story zone
karmic copper
Plunder.... echo Isle... echo
ruby star
aye
zealous basalt
Plunder isle and dragon isle
ruby star
I think dragon isle will be 8.2 or 8.3 tbh
though I'd prefer the dragon isle to Plunder isle, as Plunder isle seems rather boring
dense plover
plunder isle is a small zone
might be made bigger
but the map they copied over is for small zones
dragon isles will likely be a zone post-azshara
i think 8.1 is going to be nazjatar
possibly argus sized, since nazjatar is supposed to be massive
3 zones - one the outskirts, one the city proper, one the temple grounds
ruby star
Nazajtar is most likely a Raid map
dense plover
it wont just be a raid though
ruby star
I don't think they'll do another under water zone
dense plover
i think we will see a patch trailer on the 22nd
dense plover
that would be lame
ruby star
Well, it's not as lame as them being stuck in Stormwind
I'd rather not have refuges filling up stormwind
dense plover
gilneas dro
im fairly certain we will see gilneas reclaimed
the nightelves hosted the worgen
why not the rreverse?
ruby star
Aye, though I don't see them Revamping GIlneas yet, (ik we take it back through mission tables)
because Bouralas
though it would be awesome, I'd love to see all zones revamped eventually
dense plover
thing is
its already separated into 2 maps
like with other warfronts
so its more likely than you think
its also way easier to do than silvermoon
because they did a bunch of gilnean assets for havenwood
ruby star
Personally I'd rather have Quel'thalas or silvermoon revamped, though of course we both have differn't tastes, Gilneas would be cool too!, however I see unlikely they'll do that yet especially with bourlas being so new, and they are both sort of similar in a way (if you get what I mean)
I know Quel'thalas/Silvermoon would take work, but hard work is worth it
dense plover
thats way more work though
ruby star
and pays off
dense plover
they have to make tons of new assets
and it would break all sorts of quests and teleports and stuff
ruby star
I mean if Quel'tjhalas/silvermoon becomes a major part in story, sure they will update it, if it's minor? maybe not
dense plover
both the worgen and night elves need a home
gilneas is a better target
its a big zone, its probably going to be redone or a warfront
ruby star
Aye, though I don't see them doing that yet, becasue of Bouralas, it would remove the attraction etc from it, though not saying I don't want a gilnean revamp, just thinking nlizzard might not due to Bourals being so new
zealous basalt
Warfront into New Area next xpac?
dense plover
or into an area late patch
ruby star
I could see Gilneas being revamped in a future expansion after Kul'tiras/borulas is old
zealous basalt
Temporal Warfront?
ruby star
though I mean blizzard seems to be updating zones which have a major part in story
dense plover
then make it into an actual city next expac
ruby star
So far Gilneas isn't major, only mission table, but tjhey might make it major
dense plover
gilneas is major tho
dense plover
the only reason they havent reclaimed it was because of the undead
with lordaeron captured, the opportunity is there
ruby star
I'm not saying it's not major lore wise etc, it's not major in BFA currently
dense plover
also, the table missions have been pretty relevant so far
they focus on 3 places mainly
ruby star
Yes but they are not major major
dense plover
arathi, barrens, gilneas
notice any trends dro?
what do 2 of those 3 have in common?
ruby star
I know warfronts, but I think it would be pretty bad for Blizzard to update Gilneas or make it a warfront in BFA personally, I'd much rather see it go down another route but thats me, and I respect you want that route
ruby star
Theres other places I'd prefer a warfront for personally, but if you want a gilnean one thats fine by me
dense plover
it gives story progression tto worgen and night elves
and tying that in with worgen visual overhaul would be smart
gilneas has to happen if silvermoon is going to happen
the distance between stormwind and silverwind is too great
ruby star
one of the fake leaks said a revamped Gilneas would happen, though it's a fake leak so take it with a grain of salt
dense plover
yeah
but thats independent of the fact that there is a subzone for gilneas
that was created with 8.0
ruby star
I just personally would love all zones to get updated so I'm not exactly against GIlneas get revamped
dense plover
i think gilneas is higher priority
2 races need homes
both races would fit in there
ruby star
Perhaps, though it's honestly hard to tell whats getting revamped or added etc
after 8.1
ruby star
Is there?
dense plover
yes
ruby star
source?
dense plover
gilneas has a secondary map
when you go there to discover zones
they show being discovered but they dont show on the map
ruby star
Where is this?
dense plover
theres essentially two different versions of the zone being tracked
silverpine has a space where warfront music plays
i found it once
but havent found it since so i think it was patched out
ruby star
Might of been a bug, because greenwood pass(the zone not used), had music that sounded like warcraft 3 updated music apprantly which seems like a bug)
https://newmaps.marlam.in/Gilneas/97/6/-6.000/8.000 this doesn;'t have any updated gilneas stuff
dense plover
because its small and could be a bug
the silverpine thing was picked up
but it was onyl there for a few days
then it was gone
ruby star
Aye, I t's most likely a bug then, though I will consider that it might not be
dense plover
specifically gilneas and/or silverpine
karmic copper
hmm
gilneas might be a city but blizzard most likely doesnt want to do it now
they want people to be in boralus
dense plover
i think theyre going to warfront it in 8.x
then city it in 9.x
especially since during a warfront, if you control it, you get to explore the zone
and your fortifications
ruby star
I mean I think Silvermoon will go into the Alliance in the future, as it's foreshadowed sort of but honestly no one knows as blizzard change their mind all the time etc
karmic copper
theres alot of ember or amber or wahtever it was that was used alot around gilneas
the orange stuff
dense plover
really unlikely dro
way more work to redo silvermoon
since you also need to redo ghostlands
karmic copper
emberstone mines
dense plover
and make tons of assets
karmic copper
i dont think ember can be found outside of gilneas
zealous basalt
And then add them to world map
dense plover
they already have updated gilnean assets
ruby star
If it's major in the story they will do hard work for it, they are not lazy Peach xD
ruby star
huh?
dense plover
dont waste time and energy where you dont need to
why update silvermoon when you could just not
ruby star
because STORY 😃
dense plover
and save your artists SO much time
again
redoing gilneas would take far less work
because of updated gilnean assets from havenwood unused island, and from bradensbrook
ruby star
I'd rather blizzard put heart and passion and love into their revamped zones, and take time and work hard, than rush and give us boring easy to do revamps
ruby star
A Quel'thalas HD revamped would be 100% more interesting then GIlneas revamped IMO
dense plover
major work is always focused on current new content
nazjatar, plunder isle, dragon isles
spending that much time for a warfront?
i dont see that happening
dense plover
its confirmed canon though
dense plover
it was in canon-flux prior to bfa
ruby star
Well blizzard are slowey revamping all the zones in WoW when they become STORY relveant
ruby star
they won't exclude Quel'thaalas from the story because they are lazy
jovial coral
Metzen said he saw the beginnings of the bfa cinematic before he left blizz. So who knows how far ahead they may be.
dense plover
but cinematics are months of work
ruby star
aye
dense plover
they usually start 6-9 months before they are released to the public
ruby star
Terran said cinematics are one of the first things done for next exanpasion due to the work
it takes
the Releastic looking cinematic, takes about a year according to Terran then, the IG cutscenes like anduin in lordearon throne room one, 3-5 months or something
then the ones with character scripts, 3 weeks to a month
jovial coral
Oh. Well they gotta revamp everything eventually
ruby star
Exactly
they won't leave Quel'thalas looking crap in 5 to 10 years or however long WoW goes on for
it will eventually look so trash compared to all the other HD revamps
karmic copper
it isnt that hard to put eversong woods ghostlands azuremyst and bloodmyst on the kalimdor and earstern kingdoms maps
they just need to remvoe the invis walls and then bam
dense plover
it is though
they dont have flying support
they have big holes in the world
those zones are all old so they are like paper mache
ruby star
which is why they need to be updated sooner then later
dense plover
its a lot more work than you think it is
we bboth have different opinions
we arent going to agree on this point
so there is no point arguing it
ruby star
I know how much work it will take, don't under estimate me peach, but the way your talking is as if it will never happen which is wrong
because eventually they will have to update it
they can't exclude quel'thalas out of the story of WoW forever
otherwise thats pretty trash
dense plover
im not saying it wont ever happen
i just dont think its a priority for bfa
i think they have other stuff to work on and other zones they will redo which are easier to do and take less work
karmic copper
i think theres a lore reason too for the portal at the entrance
ruby star
Well I mean it depends on where the story goes we don't know 8.2 or 8.3
dense plover
there is no lore reason
its there because its in a separate instance
its on the outland map
ruby star
theres a portal because they were stupid enough to put it in outland for some odd crazy reason
dense plover
so they wanted to work on it where people couldnt see it
hence the BC map
they actualyl have the tech now to move it to the kalimdor map
bbut they need to fix all the world holes and actually make it fit
ruby star
Kailmador?
ruby star
oh
dense plover
but the version on the EK map isnt actually accurate
ruby star
I mean yeah it would take a lot of work, but it would be worth it in the long run
dense plover
the zone shapes are different than they look
its a fuck ton of work
theres map changes, physical changes, asset work, teleport stuff, npc stuff, dialogue changes
it would be the equivalent of making a brand new zone
since all of the assets would need to be HD
ruby star
Yes, but stuff like that is worth it in the long run, especially if it's major in the story for whatever expansion
ruby star
Well it's not for you to decide is it
dense plover
that whole expansion was a shit show because of how much time they spent redoing zones
ruby star
It's up to blizzard if it's worth it
they have the final say
if Blizzards see's it as worth it for story, they'll do it, even if it turns out like Cata
tulip sun
Some things i noticed in the scenario
ruby star
which scenario?
ruby star
Oooh
tulip sun
And Thalyssra blocking boulders.from hitting the ship
I think she is more powerful than people think
dense plover
^
tulip sun
Lasan and Thalyssra are great
zealous basalt
moose
dense plover
'ya clever moose-mon'
zealous basalt
so hm tauren are moose rather than cows
zealous basalt
pech
what could be more
erm
what would be more complicated
Revamp the whole world with newer assets or
wow 2
dense plover
obviously wow 2
theyre never going to abandon the engine
not to mention the collections people have earned
zealous basalt
I don't see WoW 2 happening tbh
dense plover
and the nostalgia/sunk cost fallacy
zealous basalt
not unless
dense plover
it wont
zealous basalt
its a really different story and such
dense plover
period
zealous basalt
but that wouldn't be wow
dense plover
they have 10+ expansions planned
ruby star
Who is Lasan?
zealous basalt
ye
dense plover
my guess is he returns to ogrimmar
tulip sun
Wanted to see his comments on Zuldazar
dense plover
since that was the original plan
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tulip sun
I am assuming they just forgot him
dense plover
no?
zealous basalt
fuck
dark grove
lasan is in dazal'alor
zealous basalt
such gold in that city
dark grove
hes right next to the table
zealous basalt
he probably fell
zealous basalt
also why sylvanas doesn't like orc stupidity
dense plover
according to wowhead he is in dazar alor
so he might be on the boat with his bird
tulip sun
Maybe i am blind
uncut vault
he's on the boat
tulip sun
Hm...will check in a moment
zealous basalt
I have a question for pvp aspect
Raiding the other capital
Does it give something?
Loots, stuff, anything?
ruby star
nope
uncut vault
He doesnt seem to mind her, despite what he says about undead
which makes me thing his boss is who made Bwonsamdi tell voljin to make her warchief
tulip sun
Is he just not loading for me?
@uncut vault Does he have text?
Rokhan and Thalysdra spoke about the city
steel venture
lasan is the best
night swift
I love lasan
ruby star
@uncut vault
ruby star
was this meant to be the original void elf hub but got scrapped? (7.3..5 PTR)
VoildElf (7.3.5.25600 PTR) map file thingy
uncut vault
Probably were planning on having us find them at the highborne ruins
instead of going through a portal
but decided to not have their base so close to QT and Undercity
ruby star
Aye, it's in greenwood pass, but guess they cut it forever whatyever reason
tropic trail
Isn't that just the northern plaguelands coast?
ruby star
Greenwood pass (the northern lordaeron area)
zealous basalt
a donk?)
ruby star
Aye
So many stuff foreshadows and teases a Quel'thalas patch at somepoint either in BFA or in a future expansion! no matter how much "Hard work" it takes
uncut vault
Also more confirmation that Locus Walker is teaching the void elves to control their power, no sign of him turning any more
ruby star
Aye
how likely do you think a QUel'thalas patch is Port?
with all the stuff forshadowing it and teasing
ruby star
Hell yes!
uncut vault
Really depends on if they make it or Gilneas a warfront, Im certain one of them will be, and the other will actually be a full storyline
since both have the potential for faction conflict AND race development
ruby star
Either Gilneas or Quel'thalas will happen in BFA
zealous basalt
imagine all the elven kin on Alliance
sudden oak
tell the night elves to stop being assholes to other elves first 
ruby star
faction war and old god/void themes both go into Quel'thalas
Not to mention Alleria wants Silvermoon back into the Alliance too
And Vereesa wants to try redeem blood elves
(which of course I'd assume they fail at redeeming them)
ruby star
I mean I do, but it depends
I could see blood elves being pushed back to the sunwell
so blood elves control sunwell island
and Alliance retakes whats left of Quel'thalas/silvermoon
and repaint it to be Blue HD SIlvermoon
with Alliance,Ren'dorei and Quel'dorei banners flying above it
but if the Alliance did take it, I don't see them having sunwell
I think Blood Elves would still control that tbh
zealous basalt
its all or nothing m80s
sudden oak
belves would rather blow up the sunwell again
sudden oak
than letting the alliance have it
zealous basalt
Quel'thalas