She is good aa she is now
#beta-ptr-spoilers
zealous basalt
ruby star
I want to execute that bitch in Stormwind
tropic trail
I think neither Sylvanas nor Saurfang will be Warchief at the end.
zealous basalt
I think rokhan
uncut vault
I doubt warchief will be a thing by the end of the xpac
brave cypress
Baine for warchief
ruby star
Saurfang could very well die an honourable death
zealous basalt
High Horde council
tropic trail
I would like a council solution, yes.
ruby star
Thats true a council might happen
zealous basalt
And how would it be the archiev
brave cypress
also a high council would be great, that would make harder having a Garrosh 3.0
uncut vault
Nobody in the horde is a good candidate for warchief after Sylvanas, it’s likely they’ll get what the Alliance always should have been, all the leaders leading together
tropic trail
With the "Warchief" being just the Commander-in-Chief of the military
And serving on orders of the council, more or less
zealous basalt
You have warlord for that
hollow dock
Warchief is much more than that ele
tropic trail
It is right now, yes
We discussed how we would set it up at the end of BfA (not speculating, but wishing)
tulip sun
A High Council would be neat
But who would be in it?
-also doubts Quel'thalas will be invaded, though I support the idea-
I also doubt the ALliance would iwn
win*
brave cypress
@tulip sun one representative per race would be fair
tulip sun
That would likely be the leaders
and that is a -lot-
Especially as we keep adding races
brave cypress
well if you have a maghar/nightborne army and citiciens it would be nice if they had a representative
tulip sun
Sylvanas Windrunner, Varok Saurfang, Rokhan, Lor'themar Theron, Baine Bloodhoof, Mayla Highmountain, Jastor Gallywix, Ji Firepaw, Thalyssra, Geyarah, then Talanji(or Rastakhan, depending on story).
Adding on any future races
That seems like a lot of people to gather and make decisions, lol
Or if not the leaders and just different race reps, it would still be a lot.
sullen dagger
i highly doubt rokhan will be on any power position on the near future
he's on the spotlight bout too young yet
and dont have any backing behin dhim
tulip sun
He is one of the options mentioned in the book for Chieftain by Sylvanas, so.
I just named him because he is the most prominant
I like the idea of a council, but that may be TOO much
sullen dagger
we have that troll princess, isnt it?
i guess if there should be a council, it might be her
brave cypress
she has her own empire to rule
tulip sun
Zandalar and Darkspear are very different trolls
brave cypress
I mean, zandalari trolls is supposed to be a huge faction right?
tulip sun
Can't one one or the either represent them both
and I feel like Zandalari are at their weakest they have been in years.
ruby star
Only problem is I don't think Slyvnanas will stay in the horde
The alliance won't stop until she's dead/brought to justice
So Forsaken need a new representative
Theres no way they can redeem Slyvanans
zealous basalt
Nathanos
Sylvanas leaves the forsaken under his care
While she realizes that she is too dangerous for the survival for the Horde and makes her own way
uncut vault
rokhan isnt young, he's at the very least in his thirties, and was already older looking in WC3
at youngest, he's jainas age
hollow dock
No they shouldn't. We should at least get a hand in it
not some third part
party*
still salty over garrosh btw
sharp bluff
^ everyone is
tulip sun
So you'd rather them all die like some random mob?
hollow dock
That's literally what we did to a Titan avatar And a titan
that's what we did with the Lich king
with Yogg-saron (not die but still you get the point)
In fact, how Arthas was handled is IMO the best way to handle defeating a big old bad leader
We strike him down, have his final words with some of the NPCs
tease stuff
and bam
tulip sun
Arthas died in a cutscene too?
hollow dock
We made that cutscene happen
but ofc you wouldn't understand that.
Imagine right. If arthas was handled like garrosh
no raid fight
we just approach
cutscene happens
he dies
without any input from us
tulip sun
I just said they should die in a cutscene.
hollow dock
Which is what we're salty over
tulip sun
Arthas died in a cutscene but was struck down by us
tulip sun
I am not focusing on Garrosh
hollow dock
which is the issue
tulip sun
You are.
hollow dock
You had said leaders should die off in cutscenes. I say no, they should be downed by us.
Using garrosh as the example of what not to do. Arthas of what to do.
tranquil steeple
But we initially beat Garrosh, he doesn't die at the cutscene when we beat him
but at a much later time
Arthas dies in a cutscene after we beat him
tulip sun
Yes, we all know that. Vris just likes to argue.
hollow dock
We didn't beat Garrosh initially.
he nearly beat us. For some reason
Oh right at the raid
forgot that.
my bad
brave cypress
I liked the Garrosh cutscene it was cool and Thrall wasnt a bad character to kill him
hollow dock
He wasn
wasn't*
but the reason we're salty is because we had no hand in it
It was the equivalent of killing him off in a book.
when he's such a relevant movie villain
chrome compass
Thrall cheated in Mak'gora
rich apex
why do the elements care about orcish honor
lyric holly
Greymane dies
rich apex
finally
ruby star
Lmao that leak is most likely fake like all the other leaks in that 4chan post
rich apex
I saw a 4chan 'leak' that said they were changing Siege of Lordaeron in response to the Teldrassil whining
As if, you know, you can change anything actually prominent in a major scenario within a week
midnight arrow
Is meat for feasts and cooking still (in bfa) only obtainable from skinning?
IIRC it was like that a month ago
strange falcon
@rich apex also the scenario has been on beta for months,so that leak is even more outrageous
rich apex
That too, yes
ruby star
I have screenshots of the leaks and they are so obviously fake
clever ember
Meat drops from mobs too. You just get extra from skinning. @midnight arrow
midnight arrow
Do you know how much more?
Im wondering if I should stick with my LW+skinning on main or swap to sth else
sullen dagger
Nah it's iancredibly good
Sigh
Im sad
My raid have way too many warriors
So I need to play with another class
And now I don't know what to do
Im between pally, mage or druid
But each of those have a problem
The pally is that the rot is for handicappeds
Mage is that every spec is dps and id preffer some felxibility at least having tank/dps or heal/dps
And the Druid the lore and fantasy of the class is very eh for me
clever ember
@midnight arrow not sure.
untold fractal
@sullen dagger shaman is a good dps/heal class. very middle of the pack class, but the specs are fun to play and have their uses
onyx mason
Ok so was garrosh partially crying after he says “You made me warcheif!” And “You left me to pick up your pieces.” Sounded like he was crying inside
onyx mason
It’s like a neglected child yelling at a parent who left to start a new family
zealous basalt
"You made me what I am"
onyx mason
Yea thrall needs to have a spiritual trial to confront his sins
I hope his biggest sin forms into garrosh
Honestly why doesn’t he become warcheif the world is saved from outside threats besides one void lord
Everything that’s happened is his failure to take up the mantle and lead
zealous basalt
He has a family
onyx mason
So?
Everyone has family
Or is his waiting to pull a Grom and make his child garrosh 2.1
meager warren
Or Arthas 1.4
onyx mason
Cause honestly I have no sympathy for thrall
Lead the horde stop being a coward hoping someone random will pop up
UNLESS by some miracle wrathion rules the horde
meager warren
I don't think Thrall has good enough judgement to lead. Since it's his fault garrosh became warchief
onyx mason
Baine literally ratted him out on theramore
Which caused the bulk of alliance to be center there
And garrosh planned on killing allot of alliance there
So baine unwillingly caused the bombing of theramore
shadow ruin
Everyone dies the end
onyx mason
Besides the point garrosh was originally meant to be a temp while thrall beats up deathwing
onyx mason
Doesn’t excuse that he ratted out his faction
meager warren
Yes it does
onyx mason
He’s literally a traitor
hollow dock
Garrosh betrayed the horde at its very foundations, Vol'jin betrayed the Warchief as per the blood oath of the horde, Sylvanas did as well, Baine attempted to avert wanton slaughter. Let's see who else
shadow ruin
So.....deathwongs been dead for awhile now....wherea thrall? Why is he allowing sylvanas to do this?
hollow dock
thralls been not warchief for ages
Go and do the Siege of Orgrimmar. he passes the torch onto Vol'jin
who abruptly dies a year laterand points Sylvanas as warchief
since thralls voice actor seems to not be able to provide his voice anymore, they seem keen on not using him anymore
hollow dock
well then if you are aware of the situation, you knowwhy Thrall isn't around
shadow ruin
But if garrosh was a temo then thrall would be back which means he wasnt a temp watchief
hollow dock
That's how it was supposed tobe at the start of cataclysm
Thrall even said this himself.
shadow ruin
For real? That i did not know
zealous basalt
But orcs loved him
hollow dock
however, Deathwing's war caused more damage to the world than originally seen and Thrall needed more time to heal the world
shadow ruin
Hes orc, loved by the horde and alliance leaders
So is sylvanas by natural rights lol
shadow ruin
And yes hes old but hes still able to fight
hollow dock
So you're wrongon that
shadow ruin
No i realise that thier waechief selection process is wack tho
hollow dock
yes its based on power
Whoeverhas power, dictates who becomes warchief and who doesn't
that's been the hordes motto from the get go
shadow ruin
Really? They have a power.scale? She was only appointed because she did something out of character
hollow dock
See First War and Second War where Orgrim usurps the mantle of warchief
and it wasn't that out of character for her.
bleak osprey
^
zealous basalt
She just obeyed orders
hollow dock
It was unusual I'll give you that, but blood oath and all
shadow ruin
Really? So death to the living doesnt ring a bell? She was only in the horde for convenience
zealous basalt
She didnt think on the outcome tho
hollow dock
you don't disobey your warchief
shadow ruin
If it was her way the forsaken would be the main faction
hollow dock
You didn't play cataclysm me thinks
zealous basalt
And she didnt like it at start
hollow dock
That's the thing Blank
she does have it her way now
and the forsaken, while hte main bulk of the horde now, aren't getting the garrosh treatment that he gave to orcs
She's smarter than that.
shadow ruin
I know which makes the expansion so exiting Lol
hollow dock
You're a very confusing man
you sound as if you don't know but then turn around and say "Oh yea know"
shadow ruin
How so?
No i do know. I realise qhats going on, im just stating what someone said about garrosh being temo warchief, but i didnt know it was stated in game
hollow dock
It was both in game and in the short story me thinks
He needed a recent war hero up at the helm of the horde to fight this upcoming war whilehe heals the world
Even though everyone INCLUDING GARROSH said it was a really bad idea to put garrosh in charge
shadow ruin
I only played a little bit of cataclysm so if course i missed some parts
#GarroshDidNothingWrong
Lol
hollow dock
#GarroshDidAFewThingsWrong
zealous basalt
What have you done
shadow ruin
Soooo, now that the burning legion is defeated, what do we do with the demon hunters? Lol
zealous basalt
They are unenployed
hollow dock
Just like how the Deathknights kept to their fight against the undead Scourge
shadow ruin
Oh yeah, they just scattered, we only imprisoned sargeras lol.
Yeah "there must always be a lich king"
sullen dagger
We need a lore channel
hollow dock
their chain of command is completely broken and now there'sa huge power vaccum.
shadow ruin
Wonder what bolvars story will be like
hollow dock
vacuum*
I imagine it's going something like the Covenant went through in Halo.
Where a bunch of smaller factions rise up claiming to be the True Burning Legion
shadow ruin
And how it will affect anduin, cause bolvar is anduins father figure so to speak.
Jul M'dama
hollow dock
I'd say Genn is a much larger father figure to Anduin than Bolvar ever was
hollow dock
with the whole idea that genn is imposing what Liam could have been into Anduin and Anduin imposing what Varian could have been in Genn.
shadow ruin
Genn has only been with him for a couple years, when varian was off fighting, anduin was in command, and he was a child so bolvar was like his adviser, but he also semi raised him, but yeah i agree genn is also a father figure.
Anyway i gtg got stuffs i needa do, was fun talking about this stuff
hollow dock
was fun!
shadow ruin
@hollow dock what faction you on? And whats your btag?
hollow dock
I'm over on the NA servers
shadow ruin
Also alliance boi, stand as one
sullen dagger
Alliance hoorah
zealous basalt
The majority of the people here main Alliance
shadow ruin
I dont have my stuff on me atm ill be home from work at around 5pm est
sullen dagger
Deus vult
shadow ruin
Deus vult
We will take jerusalem
Laters if ya wanna add me, just dm me and ill send request when i get home
grizzled sleet
It's not over guys, the legion will return
One day you will understand
Sargeras was right
But you won't realize it for another 3 years, you will all be busy making war and fighting for Azeroth, you will only understand when it's too late
zealous basalt
No u hinata chan
grizzled sleet
is beta testing over?
Humm no I can still login
5 hours before launch and legion invasions (broken isles) still reward a lot of exp at level 110, so it's not a bug.
Next EU invasion is 30 min after launch so we get a free level (80% exp per invasion)
heavy cairn
I think wowhead removed "beta" from the channel name simply because expansion is practically out. however the stuff is still a spoiler for now...
so it's still kinda weird
grizzled sleet
I just checked on beta, still reward exp
Okay, after all anything related to BFA is on wowhead home page now
so it's no longer a spoiler
hollow dock
IMO, it's a spoiler until 1 week has passed with it being available
grizzled sleet
If someone want to avoid anything related to BFA he must simply avoid reading anything on discord / fb / forums
A lot of discords say the same for example "We will not be considering BFA content necessary to go in spoilers, so be forewarned if you are not able to play right away and want to avoid being spoiled to avoid reading."
BUT WHERE IS MY AZSHARA WARBRINGER @hollow dock ??????
hollow dock
Yea. I guess I was wrong about that. No warbringer for azshara
ruby star
Probably gamescon
ruby star
Yeah, I think they'll announce 8.1 stuff unless thats too soon?
hollow dock
grizzled sleet
They have to announce 8.0.5 first
hollow dock
8.0.5, if they're keeping the patch scheduling, will be class tuning
hollow dock
That's a possibility
but yea, the .5s were mostly just for balance changes or massive hotfix patches
grizzled sleet
Maybe Anduin will befriend Saurfang and try to make sure he become the next warchief later to ensure keeping peace between horde and alliance?
tulip sun
Doubtful
grizzled sleet
If i'm not mistaken he already had a good relationship with Baine right?
tulip sun
Ya, but they are also attacking Tauren directly(If the warfront is to be believed)
grizzled sleet
Humm
hollow dock
I mean. All bets are off at this point Kham
grizzled sleet
I think we will get Azshara Warbringer with Gamescom
tulip sun
21st
gaunt helm
I think we Fight Kurby
tulip sun
I cant wait to actually see the maghar scenario
dense plover
its likely we will see a trailer or something at gamescom
grizzled sleet
Azshara
dense plover
but im hoping it focuses on diablo tbh
grizzled sleet
They released Old Soldier at a chinese event last time, so they are surely holding Azshara Warbrigers for gamescom
Playable Kultirans may be available next week on ptr too \O/
grizzled sleet
They added Maghar and DID on beta before the recruitment scenario no?
I mean, before the datamining of the scenario
vital compass
i guarantee the zandalari and KT are gonna have to do with questing in the zones and getting rep with proudmoore/zandalar
grizzled sleet
That's for sure, they will be like Lightforged and other AR, you can play them instantly when they're released if you got the reputation
clever ember
Mag’har and DID require you play through the war quest lines, exalted with 7th legion/honorbound and have a lvl 120.
grizzled sleet
I was talking about them being playable on beta
tulip sun
But each AR, includi mg zandalari and KT, have a questline
grizzled sleet
maybee Zandalari will be related to loas or something to unlock paladins
clever ember
We know about maghar and DID but not KT/Zandas. Except it’ll be in a later patch.
grizzled sleet
Main issue with KT is gaining their trust I believe
clever ember
Doesn’t Rezan get rezzed anyway in the dungeon?
onyx mason
I’ll bet ya the loa they “ we didn’t choose sylvanas!”
Say *
Can the void corrupt loa
grizzled sleet
@clever ember it's not 100% Rezan in the dungeon, it's his undead corpse
hollow dock
Not that we are aware f yet, BUT.
The void and the old gods, as well as the Legion, can imitate them
clever ember
I thought once you beat him in the dungeon. He got rezzed up
grizzled sleet
no
onyx mason
So the voices Jin heard wasn’t the loa
clever ember
I didn’t do any dungeons onbeta. That’s just what I thought I heard.
hollow dock
The theory is that Rezan gets revived when recruiting the zandalari
clever ember
Ah
grizzled sleet
Legion Assaults will be disabled later today, prior to the launch of Battle For Azeroth. They'll return in a few days.
dense plover
they cant
the assaults are needed for class mounts
and for some other resources and achievements
onyx mason
~.~
grizzled sleet
And they are a nice exp boost for alts
onyx mason
If blizzard is listening can we have more rvr and have guilds be allowed to make their own forts
And contested territory
I wanna take stormwind
hollow dock
If the grand army of the horde can't take stormwind
I really doubt a much smaller guild can do it
spring edge
(continuing goblin lore from world-of-warcraft) if gallywix joined before the dragon incident...
then why was the horde camps sorta like "oh hey new race" (i might have missed something since....after the crash on the island i was getting burned out...)
night swift
Well goblins have been around since vanilla
They were neutral
Then in Cataclysm the ones we play as were rescued by Thrall and recruited into the Horde
So Kezan goblins are horde
dense plover
so, eitrigg is maghar, rokhan is going to be zandalari
which leaves 3 npcs in embassy without races
ji firepaw, nathanos, and gallywix
so who gets what?
im thinking gallywix is vulpera
ji, i honestly have no clue
and nathanos, if sanlayn happens, otherwise - /shrug
heavy cairn
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sharp bluff
No idea on the panda
uncut vault
I think Ji and Aysa will be Vulpera and their counterpart
theyre both on Kul Tiras/Zandalar on the war boats
sharp bluff
Vulpera seem to chaotic for pandas though
uncut vault
Naisha and Ji are very similar characters
sharp bluff
But vulpera monks sound weird
hollow dock
so do Undead Monks
sharp bluff
They have an eternity to wait haha
Way I look at Forsaken monks is they don’t really desire much anymore
It is still weird, but easier to live with
dense plover
im gonna mute you guys now
sharp bluff
?
dense plover
i dont want to spoiled with cutscenes when they start appearing
im going to disappear for a day or two
ill miss you guys
❤
😛
hollow dock
Oh I keep all these things on mute
zealous basalt
are we shipping again?
k
I ship
Mankrik's wife with his wife
...with Mankrik
what is english even
uncut vault
Olgra x Olgra fanfic incoming
zealous basalt
I wonder why the horde didn't send the sea dogs
Do you remember them? From the Silverpine questlines?
uncut vault
they were only there by Garrosh's orders
only trusting orcs to do real fighting and all, Sylvanas likely isnt a fan of their stupidity
zealous basalt
"ORC WANTS PEANUT"
Blood lust sfx
"This is going to be the biggest fiasco in the naval warfare history, how did this happen?"
"Drunk"
So for Alliance
Boralus>Stormsong>Drustvar
Right?
uncut vault
Or Drustvar > Tiragarde > Stormsong, either work for a canon order, only thing that matters is Tiragarde into Stormsong
zealous basalt
How come?
uncut vault
The story over at the west entrance to Tiragarde is canonically before Stormsong
dealing with the young Lord Stormsong, introduction to tidesages, pre-corruption
uncut vault
Yeah
zealous basalt
thank you port
sharp bluff
IT IS EARLY!
uncut vault
yeah they took it out
onyx mason
I have a theory
Anduins father isn’t what we think
If blizzard does this it will explain why he went through all the trouble to revive Caela
Not because she was a lover but
- drum rolls please *
She was the only family he had left which means Caela was his aunt
Which means Anduin is the son of Arthas and not Varyian
- holds ground on this theory and awaits to be torn apart *
sharp bluff
Oh man, they added screams to the horde stormwind scenario
sharp bluff
your back quick Peach
stray zenith
did they add the thin human model
strange falcon
onyx mason
Ugh servers are floo
strange falcon
no problems hre
sharp bluff
WRA seems fine
onyx mason
I’m on illidan
sharp bluff
heads up, if your on Horde side, the quest 'Headbutting 101' is bugged, so don't try doing it right now
tulip sun
So...uh. spoiled myself, warched all cinematics
Some points i got:
Talanji and Rastakhan are so fucking badass.
That is all, thank you.
sharp bluff
mwhaha found Tehd and Marius
languid yoke
why the fuck can I not mog the feral stalker (tiger cat) skin
I have a lot more skins unlocked than just the dumb owlcat
dense plover
well, i caved and watched the cutscenes
holy shit
bwonsamdi is a bad guy
but i fucking love him at the same time
he is like blizzard's version of dr facilier
also, boy oh boy did rastakan make a stupid deal
he fucked over his own daughter
and it didnt even help
tropic trail
GASP! 😱
uncut vault
cosplay reference
limber mural
Well me and my mom got the girl and her tea party in Drustvar as the first quest
preeeetty sure we don't get much creepier than that
Did see a bunch of people acting out a monty python sketch at the Lucille Waycrest quests
onyx mason
I have a feelin old woofy boy is holding a secret from anduin
Something earth shattering that would explain so much
Anduin cough cough son cough cough of Arthas
dense plover
What?
Are you really on the whole, why is he blonde train?
His mother
Literally she was blonde
Also, Anduin is varians son
Otherwise, the whole legion thing would’ve been pointless
Like
There is nothing there
dusky ginkgo
"One phenotype (brown/blonde) has a dominant brown allele and a recessive blond allele. A person with a brown allele will have brown hair; a person with no brown alleles will be blond. This explains why two brown-haired parents can produce a blond-haired child. However, this can only be possible if both parent are heterozygous in hair color- meaning that both of them have one dominant brown hair allele and one recessive allele for blond hair, but as dominant traits mask recessive ones the parents both have brown hair. The possibility of which trait may appear in an offspring can be determined with a Punnett square."
There you go, why sometimes parents with brown hair have blond kids.
Mama was blond, and grandmama was probably blond too (?) or at least gave the allele with blond potential to Varian, and TADAAAA, you have a blond kid.
dense plover
^
dusky ginkgo
Is it the mother or grandmother? Cannot recall the Wrynn names
uncut vault
Llane is his grandfather
dusky ginkgo
Ah! Thanks
limber mural
Anyone interested in the Rune puzzle in the Gol Koval zone in Drustvar- the runes are activated according to the runes scattered about the cave from left to right. Rewards basically a 1hr CD soulstone
onyx mason
But Arthas visited his mother constantly when varian was gone
It’s in the book rise of the lich king
hollow dock
Yes. He did. Wanna know why? Cuz its also stated in the same book: Arthas and Varian were bros and Arthas was a very empathetic man before the whole Lich King corruption bit with Frostmourne.
unborn pagoda
Kael was just jealous hair model and stalker :D
onyx mason
Meh but Arthas hurt him bad so I don’t think I could not overlook him also maybe having an affair with vayrians girl
unborn pagoda
Reminds me this
zealous basalt
Man
That needle toy in drustvar
Brozzard did a bad job with giving it to me
I had too much fun in that quest stinging everyone
Also
What is the correct way for Zandalar?
unborn pagoda
Across the sea
steel venture
I believe it's Nazmir > Vol'dun > Zandalar.
@zealous basalt Nazmir establishes the blood trolls, Vol'dun releases Mythraxx, Zandalar culminates the betrayal + leads directly into "Zandalar Forever"
terse patrol
Feels like its Drustvar > Stormsong > Tiragarde Sound for Kul Tiras
steel venture
Honk's pretty correct too.
Drustvar rekindles Jaina / Katherine, Stormsong seeds the Azshara ties, all to lead into the Ashvane siege in Tiragarde Sound.
terse patrol
I mean, it could be
steel venture
Could be? I don't know, it seems like they want you do to the other two zones first on each faction's side.
steel venture
Since both Mythic dungeons by default that're unlocked return you right back around to your starting zone.
steel venture
So it seems that is intended that ya gotta do Nazmir/Vol'dun or Drustvar/Stormsong first.
Or at least should before you loop back around to Tiragarde Sound or Zandalar.
zealous basalt
You know
The moment when you realize Azeroth was going to die at the start of the xpac
karmic copper
zealous basalt
Rezan is nice dino
WAIT
Did Nathanos said shit in the cinematic?
Oh
Nvm
It sou ded like it in the Spanish version
limber mural
Did someone say drustvar - stormsong - tiragarde
zealous basalt
wat in tarnation
uncut vault
Tiragarde is before Stormsong
The Anglepoint Wharf stuff starts off the tidesage story, and introduces you to the younger Lord Stormsong
terse patrol
Kk
uncut vault
looks like it still is on live, I couldnt get it to trigger on any alliance character
ruby star
@uncut vault Another new High Elf skin file was added (when BFA went live)
uncut vault
Anything attached to it, or is it just a file?
ruby star
Not sure, will ask when person comes online, but it's called "Highelf_skin_03_C_1"
and of course theres Highelf_skin_01_a & Highelf_skin_01_b which was added in beta
zealous basalt
High elf for horde
urban dew
We haven't heard of Uldorus or Uldaz yet
uncut vault
Are they NPC skin tones like current high elves, or separate from the belf model?
ruby star
Oooh
Currently on the Blood Elf, model, but I have reasons to believe why that is
if they suddenly took them off the blood elf model bit and made a high elf model bit, then it would make it very obivous they are being made an allied race
hence why I believe they'll take it off once, allied race gets announced or whenever it's meant to be released nearer to the time
I think the file Highelf_skin_03_C_1 is encrypted though I could be wrong
if you get me?
uncut vault
I do
ruby star
I mean theres no other reason why they;'d make a new race skin for High Elves
other then High Elf allied race IMO I doubt they'd do a new one just for an NPC
when they already had prevoius ones they could use
uncut vault
Not that it counts out playability, but it could be set up for stuff in Quel'thalas, showing visual diversity between the two sides
ruby star
Aye
though if a quel'thalas happend, then it would be perfect time for Hig hElves to be added too 😄
hollow dock
@uncut vault I checked that yesterday. It's still up. You know what that means.
also @uncut vault Yes there is a specific skin tone that is separate to the blood elves. It even changes their eye colors on live. You can see them on the dalaran elves and noticbly, they are far whiter than most of the blood elf NPCs.
uncut vault
Oh I know, I was wondering if it was different from that, being a model separate from the blood elf one in the same way void elves are
hollow dock
there was a blip, not sure if it was worked on further, but High elves did get their own model separate off of the Blood elves like 4 or 5 months ago in the DB
not sure if its still there.
It was labeled specifically high elf.
ruby star
Of course I'm not confirming High Elves happening, but I believe a lot of stuff has been pointing to them happening in BFA now (all work done to them etc) and oh really Vris?
onyx mason
https://youtu.be/Y4O8e7YZQus hmmmmmmmmm Arthas looks like Anduin
Oh blizzard why you gotta toy with us
Just tell us
uncut vault
its almost like
theyve been intentionally drawing parallels to their very similar stories for six years now, because they intend for Anduin to walk a different path than arthas
not everything is a conspiracy, not being Varian's son would rob Anduin of the entirety of his story for the last six years
Eight years, actually, been building since Wolfheart
onyx mason
Yes but if it were true he wouldn’t cast varian out
He doesn’t even know Arthas
Besides him being a bad guy
onyx mason
But if it was true sylvanas or Wolfy boy would tell him
dense plover
you mean him throwing down the sword during siege?
onyx mason
No
If it ever comes to pass that Anduin is really the son of Arthas it wouldn’t change his relationship with Varian
dense plover
yes it would
his entire storyline is based on not being his father
on being compasionate and wise
throwing that all out the window would make ALL of anduin's story a waste
onyx mason
Not really
dense plover
they are doing parallels because anduin is a king and a follower of the light
he parallels arthas
so they are drawing parallels
onyx mason
But Tiphon and varian didn’t wield the light
dense plover
but the jaina stuff isnt even related to that
onyx mason
Arthas did
onyx mason
Well either way it would be a nice reveal especially if sylvanas found out and revealed it
Btw
ruby star
I mean I don't see the parrels between Arthas and Jaina, but I see them between Anduin and Arthas
onyx mason
Most of varians dynasty has been brown or dark hair kind of funny how Anduin is blond hair with blue eyes
uncut vault
Okay, and Terenas Menethil didnt wield the light, are Arthas and Calia not true menethils?
The Light isnt genetic
dense plover
also, here is something - pretty sure anduin was born a decent time after arthas became lich king
dense plover
how long ago did arthas become LK?
uncut vault
About 6 years before WC3
onyx mason
He saw Anduin as a baby before he became lich
dense plover
so he visited anduin
onyx mason
One of the first to see him
uncut vault
with his mother and father
onyx mason
Varian was away
ruby star
Anduin isn't Arthas son, I doubt blizz would do that tbh
onyx mason
They played the same music as when Arthas came back to loderan
ruby star
Which makes me think Anduin will invade Quel'thaals through greenwood pass
dense plover
correlation =/= causation
ruby star
insteadof march of the damned it will be march of the just or something
dense plover
they wont redo quel thalas drorith
uncut vault
Varian was not away
dense plover
^
uncut vault
the passage mentioning literally has them talking and drinking the night before his ceremony
dense plover
essentially no return on investment
ruby star
Not really, they don't have to take it out of outland
ruby star
Lmao whatever dude
dense plover
they are purposefully not touching that shit
uncut vault
"It was one of the biggest celebrations Stormwind had ever seen. In addition to Terenas, many other kings, nobility, and famous personages were in attendance, riding like a parade through the city’s white cobbled streets to the massive Cathedral of Light, damaged during the First War but now restored and even more glorious than before. Arthas’s boyhood friend Varian, king of Stormwind, was now married and a new father. He had opened the palace to all the visiting royalty and their retinues. Sitting with Varian last night, drinking mead and talking, had been the highlight of the trip for Arthas so far. "
arthas literally hadnt visited stormwind before his ceremony
onyx mason
Yes he has and what page was that
onyx mason
You know what
dense plover
removing any bit of the zone exposes the nothing beneath it
onyx mason
I’m just gonna wait
dense plover
and be wrong
ruby star
Well Blizzard are clearly hinting towards Quel'thalas/silvermoon
dense plover
no they arent
ruby star
Uh yes they are
dense plover
they even said during blizzcon that quelthalas and bloodmyst would stay the last bastions of their faction
ruby star
Alleria & Umbric both want to bring back SIlvermoon into the Alliance, Arathas and Anduin parrell, Vereesa wanting to redeem blood elves, Old gods wanting sunwell
Lmao Peach
uncut vault
I'm on a PDF, says page 43.
ruby star
Blizzcon
Stuff changes drasticly since blizzcon
even blizz said so themselves
many things could change
or be cut
dense plover
i dont think it will happen
i think gilneas is a bigger deal
and that will happen
if ssilvermoon happens, i will be awestruck
because in my heart, i cant find anything that agrees with that theory
ruby star
Gilneas sure I agree that should happen too, however SIlvermoon/Quel'thalas should happen too and is hinted towards. I see your point about Quel'thalas taking a lot of work, but lots of work is what makes it great, hard work pays off. and none of us no for certain if they will do it or not, it depends how blizz decides, Blizzcon i say take with a grain of salt, as stuff changes drastically since then, even they said so themselves, stuff gets cut or added or changed. But I will consider your point as I am not an asshole who only views one side of it
uncut vault
I mean, Peach, even if it isnt a warfront or patch, you seriously believe theres no hints at conflict in Quel'thalas?
ruby star
I feel Anduin would offer the blood elves a chance to rejoin the alliance and of course something fucks that up which of course leads to conflict there
uncut vault
We've had Alleria mentioning explicitly wanting it back with the Alliance on two occasions in 7.3.5, and Umbric mentioning in two ways, to void elves and non-void elves, that he wants them back in the fold too.
ruby star
Yep
not to mention Vereesa said she thinks Blood Elves can be redeemed, then Anduin of course being the peaceful guy he is, will offer the BE a chance to rejoin the Alliance or surrender, which of course goes wrong and conflict happens
I feel the Alliance would win the conflict, as we Lost Tell and Lord (two major battles we lost I agree with what red shirt guy said)
hollow dock
I think the only real way it can happen is if Aethas is exposed.
ruby star
Aethas?
ruby star
Who is Aethas? do you mean Arthas or?
hollow dock
The guy who looked the other way when garrosh did the whole bell thing
It's canon that he did know the thing was happening and then he lied to Lor'themar to make the alliance hte bad guys in their retaliation.
ruby star
Ahhh
Also what was the High Elf database thing you were talking about (high elf model thing)
uncut vault
Honestly Id like Aethas, and see him as a cool part of the blood elf story if they wrote him like a conniving coward
but they dont, he's written as a misunderstood hero, despite all his actions
ruby star
I see an invansion on Quel'thalas is a bonus for BE players as they get developement too and perhaps even nightborne
uncut vault
Only character in WoW I genuinely hate, and its due to portrayal by Blizzard more than his actual actions
ruby star
though I only see it being a Alliance win IMO
Blood Elves could end up going to Suramar
as I'd assume thats the most reasonable place
onyx mason
I’m starting to think gnars from vol dun
dense plover
has anyone had the cutscene after ateena work?
mine was bugged exactly as it was in beta
tulip sun
I highly doubt Horde will lose Silvernoon
While it would be interesting
Highly doubtful
ruby star
@tulip sun I mean personally I think its likely because Alliance lost Tell & Lordaeron
Aka 2 major battles lost
A third loss kinda takes the piss
tulip sun
I meam, they technically won Lordaeron
We just ended up blowing it up after
I still doubt you will take Silvermoon
You would be taking it from it's proper people
ruby star
Twitter
tulip sun
I would like an instabced full functional Suramar and Highnountsin though. Every 111+ sees this version, Alliance can attack, etc. Have Zoridomi there to go back to legion content
It would theorietically be possible, yes?
ruby star
I have to agree with Red shirt guy
ruby star
It honestly felt like the horde won two battles as an Alliance player, maybe it wasn't intended like that maybe it was
tulip sun
I personally would not require an eye for an eye
But you know how they work
Would we capture the Exodar?
uncut vault
Everything doesnt particularly need to be balanced
tulip sun
We as in horde in this hypothetical situation
Porter, i agree
But that seems like Blizz's game plan
uncut vault
Alliance ends with a LOT more joyous of a victory in Kul Tiras than the Horde does in Zandalar
ruby star
That was a great cinematic
tulip sun
Rastakhan is an utter badadd
ruby star
Rasta is badass
tulip sun
Badass
ruby star
Aye
tulip sun
Hmmm
ruby star
I don't want Talangi to replace him
tulip sun
I also am doubtful he will die soon
Maybe end of xpac
I want him to at the very least
Live
Perhaps not as King
Advisor to Talanji, deciding he ruled long enough
ruby star
I hope not tbh
I personally find Talanji annoying
Loa of death seems like a cool guy I guess haha
@tulip sun either way, Talanji now has to serve The loa of death right? If she ever rules
As Rasta made the pact
tulip sun
It doesnt matter if she is Queen or not
Rasta gave Bwon his entire bloodline, forever.
@ruby star
He pretty much replaced Rezan
dense plover
so i think rexxar's lines changed
or if not
honestly i can see his reasoning
omg
warfang hold has the redone wc3 horde theme
heavy cairn
warfang hold is in the stormsong valley outpost, yes?
tulip sun
@dense plover Same as last time i checked
tulip sun
I see his reasoning as well
Ther was a thread a while ago, people pissed at the above....did not understand it
I guess they thought Jaina barely kills hotde
dense plover
i mean, jaina is somewhat justified
but rexxar, from his point of view, thinks she has gone too far
which is reasonable
especially from someone who pledged to protect the horde
tulip sun
I am not saying she has no justifications
But she has oractically become her fsther in BfA, lol
sharp bluff
Nice little thing, if you die at the throne, before Rezan dies, Bwon is up there talking to the troll king
terse patrol
Mouthbreathers: “jaina will obviously be a villain”
zealous basalt
i don't get why Ion said Azeroth was grey
In legion it had barf green for the color
dense plover
He actually didn’t say that
He said something along the lines of there are two sides to the story, most things aren’t black and white, there’s a lot of gray
And it got severely misquoted and popularized
Also, rastakan making that deal with bwonsamdi is morally grey af
tropic trail
Bwonsamdi is an arrogant asshole who hurt my feelings when I died in Nazmir. I was only trying to pet a crawg! So rude.
ruby star
@tulip sun no, I know that, His whole bloodline has to serve the Death Loa, meaning its basically being ruled by Rastas bloodline and of cause death loa who I can assume dictate was he does secretly
To be fair @dense plover I can see why he made that deal
@uncut vault por
This is the screenshot
hollow dock
So the horde is back to the First War/Second War ways
Mhmm. They're slaughtering the peeps in Brennandam, a small village far off of the Stormsong harbor that's actually constructing the Kul Tiras ships
terse patrol
@hollow dock gray~
zealous basalt
Tbh
hollow dock
except this isn't the source of them.
the source is the shipyards and the other parts of Kul Tiras. These guys are just fishers and a village that farmers pass through to sell goods.
Speaking of:
The horde isn't even burning down the farm land
and stopping supplies
sharp bluff
Need to specify that then, above you just said ships
hollow dock
they are just slaughtering the village.
Yes I was pointing out that this village theyre attacking is far away from the actual source of kul Tiran shipyards
snow tundra
Should be glad they didnt get blighted 
terse patrol
Horde murder boning innocents, not surprising.
tropic trail
Well, at least the alliance gets in on the action this time
Using fragments of Ragnaros to burn hundreds of goblins alive, feeding diplomats to the void, trying to strike an alliance with blood trolls (well, that doesn#t happen, but ebcause the trolls didn't want it, not ebcause the allaince didn't try)
tulip sun
I believe the thing stated they supply the kul tirans with vital supplies or sometjing
uncut vault
Brennadam isn’t a small village. It’s the second largest city in Kul Tiras, Sylvanas was expecting a militia, not knowing about their tidesage/fleet troubles yet.
hollow dock
actually the whole thing with the blood trolls is because our diplomat went insane. @tropic trail
not because the trolls didn't want it or anything like that
the actual area they are attacking is a market place and the mayors office. the rest of it is completely untouched, as is the farmland that they are assaulting it for.
@tulip sun wasn't vital supplies
was just farmers and fisherman that used the village.
tulip sun
Fish and supplies that supplied the Kul Tirans, and in extension, Alliance
zealous basalt
And potentially in extension
hollow dock
Not in extension
Sylvanas even notes it, it's not towards the alliance. But it might be
so slaughter everyone there
meager robin
uncut vault
Her goal isn’t slaughter everyone, the mustache twirling villainy was removed in beta, letter is a lot better now. But orcs will be orcs
They replaced the undead commander with an orc on purpose
hollow dock
And trolls
and goblins
and no its an undead.
Undead is her champion leading it
with an Azerite war machine.
For 'militia' clearly
and an orc driving it as backup if the undead failed
uncut vault
The commander was undead, got replaced by an orc dude in the azerite machine
The mage below is not the leader
hollow dock
He was the one given the orders, and is a champion of Sylvanas
Looks pretty leaderish to me
uncut vault
Quests say he explicitly isnt
tulip sun
Hmm
crystal forum
Plz
jade basalt
ruby star
@jade basalt interesting! Look forward to this cutscene
dense plover
that means the king's rest dungeon probably has a cutscene right?
ruby star
Most likely!
heavy cairn
oh sweet!
I was wondering where all the prerendered cutscenes I would expect in questing went
there tend to be ~4, but I only counted 3
I guess cuz of multi-faction that means 6 in questing, and 2 in mythic dungeon
I'm curious whether horde/alliance get different cutscenes for each mythic. given that each has a different story going into them
heavy cairn
8.1 raid announcement?
uncut vault
I don’t know if there’s a panel for WoW content, but there’s an hour for announcements
She’s HotS rep
tulip sun
Ugh. I was hoping it wasnt so e.e
ruby star
@uncut vault wooo hype!
zealous basalt
the complains never stops, eh?
tulip sun
https://i.imgur.com/5YuTopj.jpg
LIKEQUOTE
zealous basalt
...
ancient forge
dense plover
well
uh
thats a big fleet
also i guess when the fleet was lost, thats when they assumed tandred died?
uncut vault
Yeah it was p obvious she isn’t dead
terse patrol
@dense plover yeah, they assumed the fleet was lost because Stormsong lied.
So, they thought Tandred was lost with it.
But now Daddy Tandred is home.
sharp bluff
I'll be honest, the fleet thing is cool, but why do i still feel like alliance got the short end of the stick story wise?
terse patrol
I mean, so far, they’re on the back foot.
But I think that fleet is a hint that they’re about to bite back, hard.
@sharp bluff
In 8.1 prolly.
uncut vault
theyve been said as having more power through the horde war campaign
their fleet is better than the zandalari one
especially with so many loa dead
terse patrol
I suspect we’ll see Tandred face off with his own undead brother.
sharp bluff
That also Honk, but from the little I have played on the alliance side, the whole thing feels like a Jaina arc
Horde side so far feels like a horde faction arc sorta
Might just be me
uncut vault
Zandalar is as much Talanji's arc as Kul Tiras is Jaina's
meaning, not all of it is them
terse patrol
Jaina is only involved in the beginning and end of Kul Tiras so
zealous basalt
ye
terse patrol
Everything in the middle is the Alliance helping free Kul Tiras from eldritch evils and corruption.
sharp bluff
I guess I just need to play more on the alliance side after I finish horde story
ruby star
Her other brothers dead isn't he? derek or whatever his name was
ruby star
At least we have Tandred back, He's pretty badass
I can see some conflict there
that would piss Jaina off soo much 😄
tropic trail
I can see Sylvanas before me
"You thought you could bring an ursurper of my throne to a meeting of the living and the dead? Well, look who I have juuuuust met?"
zealous basalt
Well excuuuuse me, Banshee Queen
hollow dock
I have an idea of who the Tidemother might be: Azshara.
Hear me out.
Azshara is vain. Disgustingly vain even. Imagine if she found a group of people that worship and give her offerings and power over the seas for small bits in exchange. And now that N'zoth is supposedly free thanks to Illidan and Sargeras, Azshara is using these subjects for far more nefarious means.
As seen in Stormsong when the Sea Priests mention that the whispers have turned violent, not that new ones appeared or that these are any different. They're the same that turned violent. Which tells me that they've been communicating with Azshara, and since she's void tainted as the power of an old god transformed and infused her, they would receive the whispers of the void. Using Void in conjunction with arcane to control the tides and bless their vessels.
Which also means Void using good guys @terse patrol
ruby star
O_o
terse patrol
Why would Azshara help those who are getting in the way of her taking over Kul Tiras
@hollow dock
hollow dock
Because for hundreds of years she didn't need to take Kul Tiras
As noted: The incursion of Naga is a very recent development.
uncut vault
Okay but, why would Azshara help brother pike undo her spell upon the Kul Tiran fleet
She’s more of an antithesis to the Tidemother than the Tidemother herself
zealous basalt
Question
Could the Kul Tirans act like shaman classes due their connection to the seas?
uncut vault
They’ve used a potential all four elements, so yes. The tidesage scrolls also very much depict their stuff as gifts from the elements
zealous basalt
Imagine human shamans and druids
But what could they remove from normal humans?
Paladin and warlock?
zealous basalt
No no, like
What could kul tirans have and dont have in comparison to normal humans
zealous basalt
Unless they can be like the trolls
night swift
They have enemies that are brawler themed but I don’t see monks
uncut vault
Well, DK is already a no, and priests are a very fringe thing, so Paladins are unlikely
sullen dagger
Priest I see aswell
night swift
Mages because of the tide sages
Warlocks are iffy, theres a lot of dark magic going on in drustvar
But since warlocks use fel its unlikely
uncut vault
There is a trash drop off of some witches in Drustvar that is an imp corpse, description says that the drust aren’t the first evil people in Drustvar have resorted to for power
So they’re a definite maybe
Honestly I most just expect them to get nine classes, no paladin, DK, or DH
night swift
Yeah theres not really a big connection to the light for paladins