zandalar and orgrimmar are far
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
horde doesnt have zandalari trust at that point
they do not have free use of the zandalari navy
tropic trail
Well, I wouldnÄt argue against the alliance winning arathi lorewise.
heavy cairn
oh. I was told that getting to 120 and doing the story was enough for zandalari trust 🤔
that's why I assumed it
tropic trail
Not quite. But pretty close
dense plover
also, the alliance can continuously send resources and soldiers by land and air much quicker than the horde because they have full control
tropic trail
Will get ehre soon in 8.1 i guess
Well, the alliance land path hinges on a single bridge.
So maybe not that reliable
dense plover
they can also use air
heavy cairn
well then horde has some nearby forces from silverpine, maybe blood elves but they will probably have a hard time passing through alliance-controlled lordaeron.
other than that, they need reinforcements from orgrimmar, and that will take a long time.
no zandalar yet.
meanwhile alliance has ironforge nearby, but they have to cross that bridge (good point).
they could send some ships from stormwind but that would take longer.
if they are really occupying lordaeron I guess they have forces there too.
but not full kul tiras support yet I am guessing.
hollow dock
something to note Akr: The alliance also control the Plaguelands
dense plover
^
hollow dock
So getting reinforcements from the blood elves is next to impossible
tropic trail
That's kinda an overinterpretation to be honest
uncut vault
not all of them, only stuff confirmed is the southern border of WPL
heavy cairn
yea, that's why I said they would have a hard time. blood elves are kind of stuck to the areas of the plaguelands the alliance do not control, and of course QT.
tropic trail
We now the alliance controls the area around andorhal. Rest is not referenced anywhere
dense plover
but that still blocks access to most of EK
uncut vault
they can cut off hillsbrad and Silverpine, but the main reason why Horde is going to arathi is because that blocks off the main airway to Quel'thalas
same reason dark rangers are taking over Alterac, big block in the middle of the gilneans and the wildhammer/forces in WPL
tropic trail
I#m pretty sure the Main horde route to resupply Arathi would be to ship things from quel Thalas to the troll port in the hinterlands and then moving them in
uncut vault
build going out
heavy cairn
arathi highlands has no sea access except for the area near that bridge which the alliance is probably going to heavily fortify (it's their only way in) and stromgarde (which is obviously alliance controlled)
zealous basalt
Hopefully dragon rework
hollow dock
Hinterlands also has the Revantusk tribe on the other side of it..
tropic trail
Nah, the harbor is in the hinterland. And there are tunnels from hinterland to arathi.
uncut vault
boo, tiny build
heavy cairn
was unaware of those tunnels
zealous basalt
how much?
heavy cairn
how big are the tunnels? I doubt big enough to transport an army or too many materials
heavy cairn
are those tunnels in game?
tropic trail
Well, they are basially the same dwarf style of tunnels that are required to go by land from ironforge to the swamplands
Yes
heavy cairn
oh cool
hollow dock
Oh wait those tunnels?
Oh yea then it's more than large enough to fit in a bunch of supply convoys and troops
Just getting them to Revantusk to get them into Arathi would take a long time
tropic trail
It's basically the route the dwarfs once made to travel from Aerie peak to iron forge and back (the bridge is also a part of this route)
heavy cairn
ah cool
tropic trail
But I do agree, all in all the alliance has an easier time to resupply
heavy cairn
yea
QT could go to hinterlands, but I doubt they have many spare supplies compared to the fortress of orgrimmar
orgrimmar on the other hand has to go all the way around the top of EK to get to hinterlands
tropic trail
And Stromgarde is a better defensive position then the base the horde just established
So, if blizz says that lorewise the alliance won there, im quite fine with it
tropic trail
Well, I think basically the reason the horde is in Arathi in the first place is to make sure the alliance can't connect there supply line to Arathi with their armys in the North East of Lordaeron
Something like that (it's been a while since I watched the panel)
heavy cairn
I forget too
but that seems reasonable
alliance wants to cross the bridge without threat
hmm
horde could just knock down that bridge 🤔
they're kind of restricted to naval attacks anyway, given the status of QT being blocked by lordaeron forces, and the whole west coast of EK pretty much being alliance controlled
so it wouldn't be much of a disadvantage to horde
would just suck for alliance
tropic trail
Well, how hard QT is isolated depends in big parts on how the argents act with their territory
And that's something we just don't know anything about
heavy cairn
good point
what is the status of tyr's hand and the ruins of the scarlet onslaught?
like, is it uninhabited and thus safe for QT to pass through and get on boats from there?
or are those weird undead scarlets still there
tropic trail
Why would they do that? QT has harbors.
heavy cairn
if they establish a base there, it means they need less boats to transport the same amount of people in the same amount of time.
because distance from scarlet onslaught is less than distance from QT
tropic trail
well, yes, I see. I thought more generally about the ability to move armies through lordaeron
When the Argent just say "we're neutral. As long as you don't fuck with us, move through as much as you like" there are many more ways to go
heavy cairn
also could be a way that the blood elves could get forces into plaguelands more quickly, rather than being forced to file into the path from QT to plaguelands. then they could cut through the alliance forces there and make it to hillsbrad through that pass, and I think hillsbrad is still under horde control
tropic trail
When they align with the alliance, Quel'Thalas would be pretty hard pressed on the southern border
hollow dock
theyre no longer argents
zealous basalt
They are blues
hollow dock
and supposedly, Sylvanas attacks the Silver Hand forces at Hearthglen.
heavy cairn
uh oh.
hollow dock
which does force them onto the alliance side of things
tropic trail
Source?
tropic trail
Haven't seen that back when they released all these missions
zealous basalt
@uncut vault tru or bad?
tropic trail
And we don't really know if they are not argents again (or some other neutral force). Not clear what#s about the guys from the apladin order hall that weren't part of the alliance
hollow dock
It also showed Sylvanas fleeing past the Bulwark and into Andorhol and holding out there then going down
and the Silver Hand absorbed what was left of the Argent Crusade
That's the very start of the Paladin Order Hall campaign
tropic trail
Yeah, but so were the blood knights, the sunwalkers, the Draenei hand of somewhat...
And they are all evidently no longer that
tropic trail
well, is there any ex-argent that fights for the alliance somewhere? Like Maxwell or so?
hollow dock
None. that's the poilt
Silver Hand was neutral
It is neutral as of Legion
That's why Sylvanas supposedly attacks them
hollow dock
she wants to weaken them before they can aid the alliance. Which just tosses their lot in with the alliance and makes the push downwards that much easier. Again this is supposed information I had gotten second hand
tropic trail
Mhm, okay. then I'll look for the source on that one before drawing conclusions.
uncut vault
I dont remember ever talking about hearthglen and sylvanas, only thing on the argents really known post-Broken Shore is that most to all of them joined the Silver Hand, and we dont kow their status today
zealous basalt
y u do dis vris
hollow dock
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow dock
It's what I hear from places I trust
grizzled sleet
@urban dew you have led the horde to a place without honor
Sneks are ours
It's over
zealous basalt
THAT YOU CAN SMELL IT
urban dew
STOP IT
hollow dock
never
tropic trail
Oh, I just remembered. the horde in fact does have a big harbor quite close to Arathi. (But it's not useful for arathi itself because they don't have harbor there)
But they effectively own Suramar, which is quite close
heavy cairn
oh, broken isles are in their original location lorewise?
not moved by the cataclysm like all the other islands?
urban dew
Sneks join Alliance?
zealous basalt
But
Using all their stuff
Vindicaar, Jaina, The rest of the powerful alliance members
Their high end technology
OBLITERATE AZEROTH
urban dew
The undead seem to be doing a good job of that already
zealous basalt
So horde can see what they woke up
because lets be honest, Alliance has all tools for domination
tropic trail
@zealous basalt I think you should send an application to Games Workshop to write their Fantasy sotry for them g
heavy cairn
horde is making stuff with azerite more quickly than alliance tho
I know alliance eventually gets one but horde had the first azerite war machine
urban dew
Because Alliance doesn't want to weaponize the lifeblood of our planet
zealous basalt
I mean
If we are honest
Azerite weapons are gnomish design
With some of goblin
uncut vault
azerite war machines are all gnome, goblins stole the plans
zealous basalt
in BtS
heavy cairn
guess I missed it, woops
tropic trail
So there is some justification to Sylvies belief that the Alliance develops designs for Azerite weapons (as she would have been reported to about these plans existing by the gnomes?)
zealous basalt
Loss of monneys for goblins
Because the trade prince was the one that said "oh, i know who can do this stuff"
And kidnapped that gnome in silithus and killing the elves around
WHICH WAS THE FIRST ATTACK, LET ME TELLY OU
uncut vault
there's reasoning, not justification. Azerite war machine plan stuff isnt in BtS, but in game, the journal for Doom's Howl reveals that the plans for the war machines that have been shown off were actually stolen and modified gnome designs
tropic trail
Not for what she did. But if there is a scene where Gnomes design Azerite war machines and the goblins steal them I could see why she believes Anduin would be intent to develop them
Did someone say snitties?
fierce crane
Just need to attach more spikes to them really
still vault
Will the servers be down UNTIL 5pm Central (listed release time) or will we just need to log out / log in to refresh it?
grizzled sleet
Sylvanas : Anduin, you have led the alliance to a place without honor
Ironforge is ours
It's over
heavy cairn
jaina crashes flying boat into ironforge mountain
uncut vault
interesting quote from the newest PC gamer interview
"If you think that we're doing something that's blatantly obvious and repeating itself, just stay tuned because we're probably setting you up for a surprise. "
heavy cairn
ye
uncut vault
so much for people thinking Sylv's gonna get deposed
heavy cairn
I mean, could still happen. I personally doubt the horde will be involved in her defeat, and she's not going to be universally accepted as evil.
there's many ways it could play out with sylv dying this expansion that are not "garrosh 2.0"
people are fools to think they are going to repeat garrosh, especially when MoP ending was the start of the smooth story transitions currently in effect. story flowed rather smoothly from MoP, to WoD, to Legion, to BfA. in this sort of story, things really are not so isolated that you can blatantly repeat past stories.
and sylvanas, if being redeemed (which I doubt), is definitely not going to be in an "illidan 2.0" style
the problem is people still are thinking of the old mode of storytelling
big bad X is dead, oh wow suddenly time to kill big bad Y
and e.g. huge jump from outland to northrend with practically no transition
lately, the community keeps proving they cannot predict the story.
I mean, sylvanas burning the tree was all but a given, but since apparently there just has to be a big bad, everyone ignored the obvious possibility and blamed someone else like jaina or azshara.
similar thing with end of legion
I can't count how many times I heard, "when we get back from argus, the old gods are going to infest azeroth, boom black empire expansion"
I knew from the instant I first heard that that was not how it would be.
yet it spread, everyone thought that.
fierce crane
I mean people will blame just about anything and everything on old god influence.
heavy cairn
blizzard pulled the "when you get back from X, suddenly Y happens" very recently (with legion invading right as we return from draenor). I knew they wouldn't pull it again and make it a surprise void expansion.
I mean, sure, it's good for minor stories, even when used relatively commonly. but common sense dictates that it's not going to be used as the basis for an expansion-sized story very often.
fierce crane
It would get pretty dull to move from one world ending threat to another.
heavy cairn
well that's how TBC, wrath, cata were all in a row. but that's not how blizzard operates anymore.
these days, it's foolish of people to assert their predictions as facts and create an outrage when things go differently. time and time again blizzard makes stories no one predicted.
even with "obvious big bad" expansions, the patch-level storylines could never be predicted.
fierce crane
Head canon
heavy cairn
like, who would have guessed kil'jaeden was going to try to pop out of the sunwell back before TBC came out?
who would have guessed argent tournament would occur before wrath?
who would have guessed you did some weird time travel to get the dragon soul then thrall uses it against deathwing? (well no one knew this would happen for obvious reasons).
no one!
fierce crane
Also TVtropes will ruin every story really
You start seeing the signs everywhere.
I like to be incorrect about my assumptions on how a story will move forward.
heavy cairn
yea
I mean it's pretty easy to predict the base features of an expansion, just not the story
uncut vault
So which is it, is the community bad at predicting unpredictable stuff, or do they make dumb wild theories?
because both dont apply to teldrassil
fierce crane
We've known it was going to burn for ages but we assumed that Sylvanas burning it would be too obvious.
heavy cairn
[porter] I'd say it's a tendency for the latter, but they treat it like the former.
like, if their prediction is wrong, they scream.
despite it being unpredictable.
zealous basalt
The community is trash tbh
heavy cairn
yea.
fierce crane
I mean even this, and the forums are still a tiny portion of the whole community.
zealous basalt
Or if blizzard wants to pull epic things that really go towards a story
What do they call it?
"Uh, blizzard pulled this suddenly"
"bad story"
uncut vault
Like, you can blame the community for the horrible stuff people said to Christie, but you cant blame them for thinking it wasnt gonna be sylvanas, when they said we'd see the alliance questioning their attack on Undercity, and building it explicitly as a mystery of who did the burning
heavy cairn
oh of course
fierce crane
Deus Ex Machina, Mary Sue are words I see thrown around a lot.
zealous basalt
People have lost their ability to have fun
fierce crane
I figured the people who were having fun were all playing the game
heavy cairn
I don't blame them for thinking it wasn't sylvanas. I just blame them for acting immaturely as a response to their dumb wild theories being wrong, including horrible stuff said about christie.
fierce crane
People only post on forums to complain about something.
jovial coral
Are people still upset with where the story is going?
zealous basalt
Yep
jovial coral
It sucks cause some people might actually have a point of two but like me I tend to not listen to any of the complaints cause most of them are toxic.
Like I understand people want lore explained more in game but it looks like blizzard is getting better at that so to know they're trying is enough for me.
fierce crane
The average player isn't likely to seek out the external material.
jovial coral
There's a lot of possibilities that can happen in the future, so I hope to see those details in game most.
obtuse token
is ele shamn viable or is it still meh in bfa?
tropic trail
It's probably still garbage as it has been for the past 10 years
dense plover
its not garbage
its just really weak
it unfortunately feels lacking in solid class fantasy imo
its kind of just ranged enh shaman
dense plover
they need to go and revamp it heavily
give it different abilities
maybe make them focus more on air and lightning and water
since enh focuses on earth and ice
jovial coral
I remember at blizzcon they bounced ideas off of the audience for boss mechanics or something. Did they ever do that with class design?
Cause I'd like to watch that
dense plover
No
And they didn’t bounce ideas off
They kind of built their boss
And the built one with the audience
It was a “see how we do things on a concept level” thing
It didn’t get used
jovial coral
Still want to see it happen
jovial coral
Class balance is something that has always been a complaint. They should bring out the problem specs or classes and talk over the design.
hollow dock
you'd want to see a spec desinged by a community?
plain vigil
@dense plover @jovial coral Fun fact. That boss is nothing similar to the one they brainstormed on stage. 😉
jovial coral
Well maybe a shit show but isn't there screenings before you even get the mic at blizzcon.
uncut vault
So, whats the chances of a build in the next two days lol? A lot of the war campaign has no voice acting still
ruby star
Might be in an internal build?
plain vigil
@jovial coral yea you write your question on a card and then they choose if it's good enough.
Then you read what you wrote
But personally i'd figure out a dumbass question to get picked, then ask them my actual question.... If only i had the money to go to blizzcon
grizzled sleet
Saurfang: You disappoint me Sylvannas. You are not worthy of Vol'Jins legacy.
(Stopped by Anduins sword)
Anduin: Her punishment is not for you alone to decide!
(Malfurion flies in from nowhere)
"LET HER STAND TRIAL IN DARNASSUS"
ZappyBoi: The horde needs its true warchief, now, more da eva.
Saurfang: Yes, but it was you who single handedly saved the horde. From this day forward Zappy, if you lead I will follow.
ZappyBoi: I... am not worthy...
...
But I will zapp them all... For da horde...
sullen dagger
That conspiracy idea of azahara burning the tree was super nuts
And people backed it
Id that was a thing... expect the unexpected
Also maybe the shetrak are like playtapus and lay eggs and after that they breast feed em
zealous basalt
...breastfeed
sullen dagger
that
did i mispelled or something?
im on the phone and the spell checker does weird things
royal sleet
Does bfa have a lot of dailies ? Is it Grindy like mop was with all the dailies ?
heavy cairn
Not dailies, but world quests
heavy cairn
I haven't done max level content in beta, but it uses the same system from legion.
World quests don't feel all that grindy.
It's definitely not mop level grinding
royal sleet
Ok cool any how’s the end game pvp content ? Is prestige farming rewarding enough to keep you going
heavy cairn
I don't really do pvp, not the one to ask about that.
Prestige farming I guess is rewarding if you want unique pets, mounts, and titles.
royal sleet
I’m casual now so I just want to be able to hop on and do pvp bgs which progress to a overall goal so sounds like prestige farming will be ok for me
Thanks you
night swift
Yeah honor farming is still fine
Epic bgs give you more but theres only 2 and theyre a cheese fest rn
hollow dock
@royal sleet Did you play at all during Legion?
onyx mason
jovial coral
Baine is gonna be warchief probably
grizzled sleet
Sylvanas will stay as Warchief
night swift
Dammit
jovial coral
He can have zappy boi as his right hand mon
night swift
I want a tauren warchief
grizzled sleet
Sylvanas Windrunner, The Last Warchief
jovial coral
I want to see baine use those ridiculous totems in battle.
zealous basalt
Wtb totem weapons
jovial coral
They always on his back, even brewmasters would be like 'why?'
Those things look heavy af
zealous basalt
What in tarnation
hollow dock
explain @grizzled sleet
jovial coral
Seems baine would be best for the horde the others have too many problems.
hollow dock
also Brown
Baine does use those totems in combat
as does his father Carine
We actually see that in the vanilla cinematic
jovial coral
Doesn't he just sprinkle dust in the air that came from his unused totems?
jovial coral
Oooooh
hollow dock
Carine would also use his totem in combat
Think of them like really big battering rams
jovial coral
No magic behind them?
hollow dock
If you ever played the new God of War games, the pillars that the ogres use is of a similar style to how the Tauren use their totems
Not really. They're more ceremonial weapons
jovial coral
That's kind of a bummer actually
Still he seems to have his head on his shoulders sylvanas is too dark saurfang is too upset over things
Zappy boi too young
Thrall had his chance
zealous basalt
How to make serenity viable again
"Repeated attacks in Serenity don't break mastery"
meager warren
Probably the only people who like gallywix like sylvanas
lone marten
I would like zappyboi to be the new troll leader
tropic trail
Also, I think this is fair
tropic trail
I wouldn't say warrior. Champion seems more fitting
zealous basalt
Do mages still have portal to Tel?
untold fractal
I believe so
pretty sure actually, i main fire mage, but thing I have used that port maybe once or twice
heavy cairn
Mages have portal to darnassus still
Pretty sure
My horde mage has a portal to undercity, on use I end up near zidormi
I took a dalaran portal to darnassus on an alliance character, there were two loading screens interestingly enough but I also ended up near zidormi on darkshore
I heard that teldrassil is actually still there, but invisible and behind where the 2D drawing of burning teldrassil is
Maybe that's why there were two loading screens, the portal puts you in 3D teldrassil but it's actually burning so you get teleported out
untold fractal
not surprising, much easier to add a 2d rendering on an invisble wall than to remove the entire structure
heavy cairn
Well
They probably could just make the portal go straight to darkshore. The problem is that players might have logged out in teldrassil before prepatch, and when bfa releases they would be in a nonexistent location. Solution is to keep the tree and teleport everyone inside it to darkshore.
This problem does not exist with undercity, where you have to go to stormwind or orgrimmar and queue for or skip a scenario.
That's why I didn't see a second loading screen in that case, undercity portal goes straight to zidormi for people who completed the scenario. Sure, there's a teleport-out mechanic, but it's impossible for a player who has completed the undercity scenario to have logged out in the non-blighted undercity before it got blighted.
All in all it's a working solution, just kind of a weird one when they could just apply the time travel buff to 110s logging in inside of the tree.
heavy cairn
If they can socket, they can probably warforge and socket
But I didn't test that out so
hollow dock
Yes they van WF socket and even titanforge
zealous basalt
I thought they said that weapons couldn't titanforge
heavy cairn
Bfa has a distinct tf/wf chance from legion
Even in prepatch.
And yes there were actually weapons in legion
I saw a post somewhere about a 985 titanforged taeshalach
heavy cairn
Ye
hollow dock
it's always been ez tho
heavy cairn
Lol
My guild called it a "loot piñata", we went out of our way to do it every week
Despite the fact that no one needed anything from it anymore
Drops all got disenchanted
hollow dock
It was eonar, Imonar, Hasabel, and Kin'garoth that my guild just avoided.
didn't need em, to annoying to get through em and Argus was better
zealous basalt
kin garoth is boring
heavy cairn
Ya
zealous basalt
Any reason of why prepatch loot is so expensive to sell?
heavy cairn
Maybe the sell values were copied from bfa items
zealous basalt
are dey expensive?
heavy cairn
Not sure, just a theory
I only played in alpha when things sold for maybe a copper
What is 210 in the old item level system?
935 maybe?
heavy cairn
How? I was 960 avg. ilvl and now I'm 235
heavy cairn
Well
Keep in mind your artifact lost 15 legion ilvls
No more NLC providing +5 for each of your relics
dense plover
oooooh
then yeah, you might be right
tbh it doesnt really matter. we will be getting rid of all of the old gear in like 2 days
plain vigil
@dense plover idk if this has been answered yet. On BFA Azerite armor cannot titan forge as you're meant to collect one for each spec from raids. Everything else can titan forge. As far as I'm aware.
dense plover
azerite gear cant even warforge
and i dont think weapons can titanforge - they did say that, and I havent seen a weapon titanforge in bfa, but i have seen them warforge
sour burrow
https://imgur.com/a/LjiUwh7
https://imgur.com/a/rlmHQkW
Community event as part of beta blowout.
dense plover
uldum?
sour burrow
Yeah, it was uldum because getting a group of alliance to vol'dun was too much trouble, heh.
sour burrow
?
zealous basalt
So, now morally grey is truly a meme
grizzled sleet
Imagine
When you go to Nyalotha, you see visions of your alts and battlenet friends chars, and you have to fight them
dense plover
dont think we will go to nyalotha
Just confirming that during siege, blight is removed post jaina, and returns after, so it isnt permanent
dense plover
thats my point
it seemed like she cleaned it up permanently
she didnt
it was just temporary
which is why post-siege, the blight is back
hollow dock
but I even told you
she didn't
you freeze a gas it becomes a solid
ice melts
¯_(ツ)_/¯
strange falcon
i'm pretty sure not all gas become solid when frozen vris
dense plover
i knew it didnt
i just wasnt sure
this confirms it
@strange falcon the definition of frozen is solid
theres no such thing as a frozen fluid or gas. freeze = make solid
ruby star
Well I just saw some "leaks" pretty interesting read though they are most likely fame
Fake*
strange falcon
i believe one of the leaks said kultirans not having druids as a class
which is outrageously fake
ruby star
Ye
dense plover
@tropic trail thats not what i said. and not what dafire said - they said not all gas becomes solid when frozen. When you freeze anything, it becomes a solid, thats the definition of freezing, just like boiling means turning a liquid into a gas
if it isnt cold enough, then it isnt frozen
dense plover
about sublimation?
hollow dock
it's very literally how the cycle of matter works
Solids become liquids which become gasses.
meager warren
what
dense plover
nothing, chemistry
meager warren
why aren't ya'll talking about bfa
meager warren
what does chemistry have to do with jaina
dense plover
because ice melts
meager warren
and?
meager warren
ok
dense plover
so it either had to become a solid, or trapped in ice
which means it either sublimated, or melted
hollow dock
I told peach this and he was still concerned over Jaina being to op when all that happened was simple chemistry
dense plover
hence the conversation
i was worried it wwas left as blight because they didnt want to spoil it
hollow dock
ignoring the fact that blight is the hordes deus ex machina and apparently is unstoppable
meager warren
there are diseases and stuff from thousands of years ago trapped in the ice in antarctica, i think
i would imagine the same would be true for the blight
dense plover
except the blight melted over the course of the end of the siege
zealous basalt
So Alliance can't counter blight?
fierce crane
You would think with how prevalent it's use is a counter would be made for it.
uncut vault
the light seems to be able to block/cleanse it, but cleansing takes a while
fierce crane
Well at least a more immediate solution
dense plover
if there was an immediate solution, it wouldnt be a powerful weapon
uncut vault
I mean, a gnome made both a plague vaccine, and a better blight than the forsaken's in wrath
but blizzard forgot
drunk gnome at that
zealous basalt
Or probably they realized that without the blight the horde doesn't pull a fight
fierce crane
Even if they did they would probably be given something else.
All it would really do is rob the forsaken of a weapon that is well uniquely theirs.
meager warren
what gnome was that?
zealous basalt
Maybe because...
Level pacing?
War Campaing quests appear at early level while you are leveling on one area
And send you towards the other continent for a few questlines before gonig back
maybe they recomend them to do it at last so it doesnt cuts the level pacing
grizzled sleet
I think it's because some quests reward azerite gear
and they scale with level
maybe if you do them at higher level you get a higher item level azerite
sour burrow
I also agree, do War Campaign at late 119 or 120. Not much benefit to it until then anyways.
grizzled sleet
But you have to start it earlier, at least unless you unlock mission table and launch 2h mission
after you start the 2h mission (quest) you can leave the rest for level 119 / 120
dense plover
huh
"Unlocking these Outposts are account-wide, though on each character, you'll have to travel to the Outpost to acquire the Flight Point."
did not know this
i like this
makes the cost more logical
oh shit
theres a crawg mount
i didnt know that
i know which mythic dungeon ill be farming
rich ocean
So I have a question, for the BFA intro quest wil we want to be in storm/org or in Silithus?
Cause im debating having a group of 6 people 3 in stormwind 3 in silithus to as soon as it pops up 3 pick it up, summon to silithus and summon back so to avoid the long flying.
grizzled sleet
On beta, the quest start anywhere, you receive a message from Magni, so you can be in Silithus
dense plover
no
itll just propogate
best place to be is your capital city
for guaranteed propogation
heavy cairn
yea it's a gamble to stay anywhere except for your capital city
just log off in your earthshrine so you can take portal to uldum and fly to silithus
if you stay in silithus, either:
- you luck out and get the quest. you save a minute or so.
- you do not get the quest. you have to hearth to capital city (you could set your hearthstone if you anticipate this, otherwise you'll have to go to dal then back), then go to your earthshrine, then go to uldum, then fly to silithus.
if you stay in capital city near earthshrine:
- you are guaranteed to get the quest, and you have a 1-2 minute flight to silithus. this is reasonable if you ask me.
--
so a question I have--once the intro scenario for your continent is done (i.e. infiltrate stormwind, or go to kul tiran jail), can you skip it on alts?
I'm guessing no, because it probably serves as an intro to BFA story in a similar way to the artifact scenarios
rich ocean
Wondering if it would be worth it to set your hearth in silithus old
rich ocean
also debating on having a 6 man group with 2 warlocks.
dense plover
not if you need to get to stormwind
rich ocean
3 in stormwind, 3 in silithus
dense plover
its pretty easy to go from capital to uldum and then going to fly to silithus
rich ocean
then summon eachother if its stormwind, or just the stoormwind group if its silithus.
and its pretty easy to get from silithus to capital.
heavy cairn
is there a portal to zandalar/kul tiras from orgrimmar/stormwind? or must you take the boat/zeppelin?
dense plover
boat
heavy cairn
ouch
rich ocean
there is a portal, but you need to take a boat the first time
dense plover
its a boat for both
oh wait yeah
there is a portal
zuldazar is in the drag
and the boralus portal is idk where
heavy cairn
is zuldazar in the same place as the draenor, hellfire peninsula, and dalaran ports?
heavy cairn
that's the cleft of shadow, not the drag
rich ocean
Its in the top of them age tower for alliance
heavy cairn
yea the drag is the ravine
well orgrimmar is all sort of a ravine but the drag is the thinnest part
what level are BFA mage teleports learned?
rich ocean
120
heavy cairn
both teleport and portal at level cap? unusual.
dense plover
not really
since going back and forth is powerful, limiting that ability is important
especially since there isnt a capital hearthstone
rich ocean
there is no dal hearth, its just your hearth.
heavy cairn
well, I mean, Teleport: Orgrimmar + click portal that's right in front of me
until level 120
👌
rich ocean
rest of us can do that every 2 hours with guild cloak
teleport to major city, click portal right infront of ya
heavy cairn
ye, or dal hearth -> main capital -> BFA capital
rich ocean
I really hope blizz tells us like "hey you can pick this up anywhere" or "hey you need to be in stormwind"
heavy cairn
eh it's too late for them to tell us
rich ocean
i mean is it?
heavy cairn
the characters I plan to level within the month are already logged out and not logging back in because of carousel buff
rich ocean
wont that go away cause darkmoon will be over?
heavy cairn
the buff persists. but of course it will only last an hour
it's the consumable top hats that go away. and their buffs are in real time so they go away too. the carousel buff pauses on log out, it will persist.
rich ocean
Do we know if the exp gem will be able to be placed 1 per item and stack?
or if it will only increase exp once.
cause i have 6 seperate items i could put them in
heavy cairn
I didn't learn about the exp gem till today but the place I read said only 1 item counts
also what a waste of ore haha
tiny tiny boost to your journey to 120, then you have no materials to make gems that will actually help you for several patches to come.
well, hey, at least it'll serve to increase the selling price of ore and everything made from it
because a huge chunk of it will be prospected away for XP gems 😆
grizzled sleet
@rich ocean if you have 6 items you can use it 6 times
But for example Crated legion legendaries with 3 sockets you can only use 1 there
grizzled sleet
yes
rich ocean
that cant be legit, no way blizz would allow that.
well now i gotta see if i can get someone to supply e with those gems...
heavy cairn
I thought it was unique-equipped
it is
and unique-equipped gems can only be in one socket on one item
look at this gem for example: https://www.wowhead.com/item=130246/sabers-eye-of-strength
it's unique-equipped, and I know for a fact it's only valid on one item
dense plover
^
you can only have 1 total
aand unfortunately, pretty much no heirlooms have sockets
rich ocean
Its unique equipped but that is per item,
so you can have 1 per item
but the question is if more then 1 will give more exp
heavy cairn
it's not per item.
unique-equipped on a gem means one gem per gear set
mimig must have forgotten about the legion saber's eye gems, despite them being a recent example of this
rich ocean
I will need to look cause people had shown wearing lots of em
grizzled sleet
Is Teldrassil supposed to be burning forever ? I mean, is it normal for the fire to stay for more than 1 month?
uncut vault
It’s a magical fire, plus a massive tree
oak wraith
Knowing Blizzard, yeah, it will burn until a patch arrives to change the status. Or forever.
Darkshore however will revert to the "before" status, with the burning tree in the sky box and soot and ash in the air.
hollow dock
@grizzled sleet Stratholme lorewise is still burning to this day. SOmething like 20 years after it was set ablaze.
grizzled sleet
Oh, okay
ruby star
Aye, though I don't know if we'll reach 20.0
heavy cairn
what makes stratholme burn for so long?
or is there not really any reason; just convenient lore to cover up that they don't want to touch that area of the map?
I mean, that annoying invisible wall also suggests that
ruby star
Lore wise I assume the fires out, it's just they haven't updated it IG, though I could be wrong
hollow dock
Lorewise the city still burns
Somethingsomethingsomething coal mines keep itburning forever
ruby star
Ooooh interesting!
zealous basalt
You would think that everyone is already consumed.by fire
ruby star
I am really hoping the global launch doesn't just keel over and die
zealous basalt
Wym
zinc sandal
If you think BfA launch won’t break the game in a thousand ways like pre-patch did, your hopes are too high
ruby star
Legions launch was real smooth however it wasn't a global launch so I will keep my caution
strange falcon
also the thing(s) that break servers are either system changes like communities,that change something in the core game code, or server stress
the shitstorm in prepatch was from undertuned numbers and system changes
we have none of that in the launch,so the only other thing is server stress,which being a global launch could be concerning
grizzled sleet
global launch won't affect servers by any way, US, EU, Asia servers are separate, if EU is down it doesn't affect the others
verbal badger
but also if something's fucked it's fucked everywhere at once
and instead of having to fix 1 live server and 2 that aren't yet live
you have to fix 3 live ones at once
so good luck
strange falcon
there's a difference between plugging systems and plugging content
plugging content is very easy and goes super smooth 99% of the time,(unless it's bugged,but that's an ingame problem not a crash)
the thing that makes all the flashy problems are new systems and tinkering with the code
there are none of those in the launch because they were put in,in the prepatch
grizzled sleet
Only thing that can stress the servers is too many people entring instances at the same time, because the first quests are scenarios (stormwind infiltration etc..)
strange falcon
great,depends on if those assumptions are jibberish or informed
ruby star
I'm sure Blizzard are prepared this time
hollow dock
I do think that we forget
everything is already on the live servers nw
it's literally just flipping a switch
that is launch
oak wraith
Yep. There might be a few more of the small patches we've seen recently, though Blizz usually throttles down on those once we get really close to launch. So launch is probably even already set up, once the timer comes around boop you have a new quest to get your Heart of Azeroth (or you get it when zoning/can pick it up in Stormwind)
strange falcon
the first quest of the expac should be "do the scenario to get to zandalar"
once you're there you get the necklace artifact
hollow dock
wait the heart of Azeroth chamber moved from below Sholazar to Zandalar?
strange falcon
no vris,the actual quest you need to GO to sholazar
is from zandalar/kul tiras
it goes like this,you do the scenario,get to your respective continent,magni is there poking around
and he tells you to go to sholazar
hollow dock
ah ok. way it was typed made it seem a bit off.
zealous basalt
I thought you get the heart in silithus
strange falcon
idk
terse patrol
untold fractal
HA!
mint arch
wasnt anduin's mother blonde?
strange falcon
you mean like how playable draenei have small tails e.e
mint arch
i can see playable sneks having tail size as a customisation option 
tulip sun
Female draenei need long tails
summer root
I'm curious but when BFA starts, whats the first quest that we are given and where should i log off to immediately start/ finish the quest?
gilded drum
I've been told to log off my magni, as you get the first quest of the xpac from him.
uncut vault
Also make sure to log off out of war mode, even if you plan on leveling in war mode
not worth being camped at Magni for 10% extra xp on one quest
you go back to stormwind instantly after magni quests
tranquil steeple
Truth right there
gilded drum
Yeah, you get ported right to your captial anyways so it's better off not getting corpse camped
https://www.wowhead.com/quest=53028/a-dying-world#comments Looking at the wowhead page for the quest, there's no distinct "giver", you get it when you complete the Battle for Lorderon, which means everyone who has will get the quest when BFA launches, regardless of where you are I think.
uncut vault
If not, getting back to stormwind/orgrimmar is very easy, then you can port to Uldum and fly right back to magni
dense plover
you should log off in your city
if the quest doesnt propogate, you have to teleport back
which ccould result in getting disconnected
because high server load
you want as few teleports as possible
you are guaranteed to get the quest in your capital city
grizzled sleet
Stormwind => Uldum => Silithus is not that long, no need to try to rush this part, is just 30-40 secondes
dense plover
^
heavy cairn
Oh, scrolling up, was unaware that you go back to capital city after magni
dense plover
where of, if the quest doesnt propogate outside the ccapital, now you have to teleport back,
which could lead to you being disconnected
and losing your spot
heavy cairn
I guess turning war mode on on all my characters was bad lol
heavy cairn
Well luckily they are all stationed in org
dense plover
then stay there
heavy cairn
So I can just turn it off on login
grizzled sleet
EU has a legion invasion 30 min after BFA launch, Legion invasions on beta still give exp for lvl 110, so I suppose it's not a bug
It gives 80% exp
heavy cairn
The queue happens before you reach the character select screen, right?
Or is it on enter world?
grizzled sleet
Queue happen when you login, if you logout you don't enter the queue
You enter the queue if you logout more than 10-15 min
heavy cairn
Sure but when you're on the character select screen you're logged in
compact prism
I completed Lordaeron scenario, went to Silithus and copied my character into beta -> Magni quest poped right away in Silithus ---> is it a proof that you dont need to be in Stormwind at 0:00 ?
grizzled sleet
We can't be 100% sure
heavy cairn
Probably proof but I personally am playing it safe
characters logged out in orgrimmar, at the earthshrine
I am not racing for realm first or anything, that's simply not practical since I want to read quest text and watch cutscenes
just trying to be speedy where possible
so I can hopefully minimize contact with war mode alliance scum until 120
grizzled sleet
Anyone know the drop % of items (weapons and gear for transmog) on island expeditions ? they are BoE, so they can't be sold on AH, I wonder if they are rare drops?
oops
I mean they can be sold
on AH
tranquil steeple
we talking equal ilvl on 2h vs 1h + OH?
zealous basalt
yes
untold fractal
As a Fire Mage, in legion I had to use a sword and oh, but now I use a staff and much prefer it
still vault
😄
Do shields on WoW still have better defensives than going with a 2Hander staff?
for us Mages?
zealous basalt
i don't think mages can use shields
uncut vault
Im just looking forward to wands again
dense plover
^
tranquil steeple
1h + OH = 959 int, 344 stam, 198 total secondary stat(s)
Staff = 961 int, 344 stam, 199 total secondary stat(s)
@ Mythic BfA dungeon iLvl aka 340 iLvl
so staff is very slightly better
dense plover
they literally said there would be maintenance on the regularly scheduled times
zealous basalt
When will they put AM
dense plover
so tuesday early for us, wednesday for eu
zealous basalt
i want to use wands again
rustic mountain
Do you think they would introduce Nagas as an allied race after we defeat Azshara? Like a transformation that worgens can do from human to werewolf but as a naga to night elf?
grizzled sleet
not gonna happen
They already said that when planning allied races they made a full list, eveything with 2 feets was considered
so naga can't be on that list
ruby star
I don't see Naga happening either tbh
uncut vault
Well, according to Hazelnuttygames, being bipedal wasnt mentioned as a requirement when asked
I dont think naga are happening as a playable race, but that isnt necessarily why theyre off the table
dense plover
its probably more likely because they are evil old god minions
uncut vault
well, of all the evil races, blizzard has established the most that naga are not a uniform people
drowsy laurel
I've got a question about the Dark Iron Dwarves
can I race change my normal 110 dwarf, over to Dark Iron, level up to 120 normally, and still get the heritage armor?
zealous basalt
NOES
drowsy laurel
or does it have to be 20-120 flat as dark iron?
tranquil steeple
it's very likely to have the same criteria as the pre-order allied races we got during legion
night swift
You gotta level
tranquil steeple
level fresh character with no granted levels
experience increasing effects/items are fine
drowsy laurel
it's not granted levels though
the dwarf I'd be changing has leveled up without boosts at all
tranquil steeple
but when race changed it's not a fresh character
which is what invalidates a race changed character to gain the heritage set
it'd be the same as having a character that was 100 / unplayed during legion
race changed to one of the pre-order accessed allied races
it's not a fresh/newly created character of the allied race
night swift
You gotta make the DI fresh and level it
No race changing or anything
Race Change/Boost even tells you. "Selecting an allied race will lock them out of their heritage rewards."
drowsy laurel
well I don't race change or boost ever so.....balls....eh well, it's just a set of armor
the heritage rewards are just armor right?
night swift
Armor and maybe weapons
strange falcon
really cool unique armor(for now) yea
dense plover
armor
tranquil steeple
weapons/shields/offhands and such were datamined IIRC, but never added in-game
strange falcon
maybe in the future they'll put weps too
dense plover
creating them gives a tabard
night swift
Yeah some weps were datamined
dense plover
and unlocking them gives a faction-wide mount
tranquil steeple
(atleast for Void Elves and Nightborne)
dense plover
they might add the weapons as an achievement unlock
like they did with the lightforged weaponset
tranquil steeple
could be the 110-120 heritage bonus
uncut vault
It isn’t, so far, dark irons only get armor for 20-120
dense plover
we dont know for DID or maghar
strange falcon
all allied races start at 20
dense plover
since on beta the ones you make start at 110
strange falcon
unless they want to rewrite their own rules
peach ffs they started at 110 for testing purposes
night swift
Any alt made on the beta started at 110
chrome compass
But still... 20-120 seems so daunting e.e
dense plover
yeah
its strange that they would have two end heritage armor levels
but 1 starting level
chrome compass
Just... squish levels down Blizzard.
chrome compass
They really need to at this point.
dense plover
its a ton of work
strange falcon
they've already said they're discussing a way to deal with this issue
but the 10 lvls every expac is the best they got atm
night swift
Well they did 5 for cata and MoP
strange falcon
clearly it didnt work out if we're back to 10lvls
zealous basalt
Inb4 they start at level -20
jade basalt
They said they did prefer 10 levels per expac rather than 5 levels, because it felt like you progressed more in terms of 'quantity', and also more frequently (same amount of XP but you get a level twice as frequently).
zealous basalt
Any reason of why Gilneas isn't registered in the map anymore?
uncut vault
There's two gilneas maps now, and the game recognizes the Gilneas one instead of Ruins of Gilneas, but the exploration is of Ruins of Gilneas
so it doesnt show anything
zealous basalt
So normal worgen players should have it?
uncut vault
if they did the zone they should have some/all explored, yeah, it's a copy of the leveling zone into an open world map
been leading to speculation of something going on there this xpac
night swift
If we reclaimed gilneas and made it a new hub I'd be so down
zealous basalt
Could be the canon of Alliance winning all Lordaeron's warfronts
So canonically
When does stormwind gets fire
uncut vault
if we're trying to match the lore to real life, tonight
zealous basalt
oboi
uncut vault
in most cases, the Horde story is just slightly ahead of the alliance one
zealous basalt
too bad horde couldn't do rp event for dem rp servers
grizzled sleet
RP events without honor?
tropic trail
I remember seeing rp events on the horde side whenever Garrosh was beginning to start his own genocide
zealous basalt
oof
uncut vault
blizz timed that a lot better for rebellion RP
on a patch with not a lot of content, in the middle of the xpac
Moon Guard had a great last hurrah of peace before we descend into madness on saturday
rustic mountain
Can’t believe BfA is tomorrow 😲🤯
uncut vault
Gnome with the prydaz bubble up front
dense plover
oh damn
zealous basalt
MH
night swift
MG but WrA peeps were there
It was really good. Had an add on specifically for it that lets us rp with anyone
dense plover
i missed it too
that sucks
oh well
i have two rp characters ready for bfa
my lightforged draenei on moonguard, and my pandaren lorewalker monk on wra
night swift
My panda is a brewmaster and we might have a booth next year for him
grizzled sleet
Imagine if Alleria return to the past to kill her mother so that Sylvanas don't be born
Then Alleria is not born too
So she didn't return to the past to kill her mother
zealous basalt
Time paradox actually
zealous basalt
It burns then
zealous basalt
"I want to RP as a San'layn becaues they will come back as possible allied race"
@uncut vault
night swift
I saw a few sanlayn rpers at the tournament
dense plover
azerite
same way you increased your artifact except its automatic instead of clicking an item
zealous basalt
how many ilvl per lvls?
dense plover
2 i think
2/lvl
with the +15 ilvl upgrades from magni at the various rep levels
no to mention, i imagine more +15 ilvl upgrades will be staggered through patch content post 8.0
heavy cairn
is there "azerite knowledge"?
heavy cairn
cool
I knew about it being the reverse way, just wasn't sure if implemented at beginning
dusky ginkgo
Oh, we're back to just be a RP/Lore/Spoils chan?
oak wraith
Not much more spoilers coming out of beta 😆
zealous basalt
So what happens here when there is no more beta
ruby star
PTR spoliers
uncut vault
We become a spoilers channel for the next few weeks till 8.1/8.0.5 PTR comes out
Which will likely be announced at gamescom
zealous basalt
And while it is not out
ruby star
Hey Port
I have to agree with this tbh https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1026871234825543681?s=19
Twitter
uncut vault
I mean, I think that’s intentional
Bit balanced by the really blatant alliance based scenario that both sides got at Lordaeron
ruby star
I think as we lost two battles, we'll win a major one aka quel'thalas invansion 😉 but thats just My opinion
uncut vault
Like a cinematic with just Alliance characters in the middle of the horde scenario
Or horde characters just standing and watching while Anduin delivers a hero speech for a minute
ruby star
Point is we still lost two battles
So makes me think we'll win one next hopefully somewhere
zealous basalt
Warfronts?
uncut vault
Which is likely intentional, setting up why the Horde is on par with the alliance, they’ve got the nasty tactics and smarter leaders to match the raw power on the alliance army
So far Arathi seems like it’ll go to Alliance
Barrens to horde
ruby star
Warfronts aren't major like lordaeron or Tell sadly IMO
Alliance needs to win a battle thats not a warfront
uncut vault
We’ve got the Zuldazar raid potentially coming up
And a mysteriously missing rastakhan as leader of the empire
ruby star
Perhaps but thats not exactly that interesting of a win tbh
I think His daughter could kill him
uncut vault
They are on good terms in all ways
ruby star
Either way I think we'll win at least one major battle in BFA(Alliance) (thats not a warfront)
ruby star
I think by the end of the expansion Slyvnanas won't die but she won't be warchief
Because theres no way she can be redeemend
zealous basalt
Y u want her to be redeemed