and warriors are the oanswer
#beta-ptr-spoilers
sullen dagger
zealous basalt
the 47% nerf to bok?
sullen dagger
bok?
strange falcon
well,let me explain why
blackout kick was doing so much dmg,rising sun kick
was considered useless
in every situation
so blizz was like "oh,nononono!"
"you dont get in the way of blizz's intended rotation"
they have the nerfbat ready
zealous basalt
BoK was just something to lower the cd of RSK and FoF
hollow dock
are we complaining
about being forced
to hit more buttons
what has this community become
hollow dock
Yea.
You're complaining about hte nerf
that forces you to hit an extra button in the rotation
zealous basalt
I didn't complain about the nerf
"that forces you to hit an extra button in the rotation"
What "extra button"?
hollow dock
As the conversation above was going
they were complaining that they heavily nerfed BoK's damage
since BoK's damage was so high, it wasn't worth to hit RSK
strange falcon
you can do combos technically without using rising sun kick, e.e
zealous basalt
liek?
hollow dock
we're still complaining about having to hit extra buttons
after having several years of complaining about the rotations being shortened
zealous basalt
I am all up with they adding more attacks to monks
hollow dock
You have to hit 1 button you didn't hit before
If your rotation is a jumble of 5 buttons
but you have to hit a 6th now
yes you're hitting more buttons
zealous basalt
actually the "base" rotation of monks is 5 buttons, 4 if we dont count the crane kick
6 with the cheap talent they gave us
zealous basalt
...me either tbh
sullen dagger
after years
sullen dagger
i0ve tried several times to level a monk
zealous basalt
Because you werent forced to not repeat
sullen dagger
but it feels super clunky to me
zealous basalt
in legion they forced you to not repeat
So you had to have lots of attacks
with 6 attacks, the rotation was perfect
Tiger palm>Blackout Kick> repeat those two> FoF>Rsk>Windlord Strike>Talent
tranquil steeple
Strike of the Windlord isn't a thing anymore 
tranquil steeple
oh wait the new talent, yeah
sullen dagger
artifact weapon skill i guess
tranquil steeple
and I think the talent Mak talked about in the rotation is Whirling Dragon Punch
zealous basalt
Ye
tranquil steeple
middle of bottom row
zealous basalt
WDP
sullen dagger
eh..
sullen dagger
the best artifact skill i think it was the vengance dh
the tank one
survability, damage and a ridculous cd
zealous basalt
The worst one was
tranquil steeple
I liked the Prot artifact skill with the Legendary shoulders
zealous basalt
The brewmaster one
tranquil steeple
doing a fuckton of damage (for a tank), and generating a lot of threat to targets hit
while also helping your survivability
sullen dagger
i played the pally till i had to get the hidden artifact for ret
that0's the point i swore not to touch a pally
never again
tranquil steeple
lul
zealous basalt
Mostly because you have 3 attacks at low level
sullen dagger
it bore me to death
twice
yeah
i triedand have one on lvl 40ysompething
someday i'll level her to 120
jovial coral
With honor
sullen dagger
it cost less later on?
tranquil steeple
and 1 at later levels...
sullen dagger
150 to go
zealous basalt
I didn't know that classes received their mastery at different levels
jovial coral
I always felt like I could balance everything better than blizzard if I tried, except I never actually did.
zealous basalt
How come?
dense plover
because if you go to lordaeron keep
hollow dock
ice melts I wager
dense plover
its covered in blight on the outside in the area where it was ffrozen
so actually, not op
she only frozze it
when it thawed it came back
zealous basalt
Or, don't you think it could be some of the blight that leaked from inside Lordaeron?
dense plover
no
hollow dock
I mean
dense plover
its in the exact area where she froze it
hollow dock
from the alliance side
dense plover
its all the way out to brill
hollow dock
the blight is thick and heavy
and covering all of lordaeron
and the walls are already crumbling
and with no one to deter it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
grizzled sleet
Is Thrall presence still valid or it was canceled ? or we don't know?
grizzled sleet
Okay
dense plover
its probably cancelled
imo thrall doesnt need to show up
we can have a great story with other characters who need to have more story told
baine, rokhan, voljin, talanji
zealous basalt
also that thrall seemed to be the cata thrall
jovial coral
I can see baine seeking out thrall
dense plover
oh no
zealous basalt
...Wow, My memory was faulthy once more
dense plover
guys
tame scaffold
Yeah there really is so much unknown about the expansion as far as how the war itself will play out.
dense plover
i found gunther arcanus
he used to give quests in a different area
he fled here during the siege
and now hes just alone
zealous basalt
the forsaken lich
grizzled sleet
We need more Lich and less Forsaken
zealous basalt
inb4 massive lich forsaken
zealous basalt
why man?
dense plover
so im thinking it might be part of a secret
zealous basalt
why did thrall lose his hair
grizzled sleet
He gave them to Saurfang
dense plover
seriously though, someone test what happens if you kill gunther
i wanna see if its a secret
also, just wanted to confirm that the blighted throne room is empty
also it will kill you
zealous basalt
empty mountain
Gunther has been on that island for ages. My warlock got quest or two with him
dense plover
oh
i thought he was in the area that was named gunther's something or another
still
kind of sad he is just there alone forever
zealous basalt
did his friend die?
zealous basalt
they really rekt brill
dense plover
nods
its the part that hurts the most imo
i always loved brill
it was quaint
meanwhile undercity was hell to navigate
zealous basalt
the sad thing is that we don't see how they rekt it
zealous basalt
got a question
did they cleaned up the worgen and goblin models in wod?
or they are literally untouched since creation?
agile token
They were untouched
zealous basalt
ah
zealous basalt
hopefully they give worgen females some justice
dense plover
especially if they intend to keep goblins and worgen relevant
zealous basalt
they look ridiculous with those faces
agile token
They promised 8.1 or sooner
dense plover
no they didnt
zealous basalt
Another content patch?
zealous basalt
8.0.5 plox
dense plover
they DID NOT promise
dense plover
blizz doesnt make promises they cant keep
agile token
since people kept asking
uncut vault
As far as I know the only concrete detail we know is that female Worgen will be getting more work, and that they want to get it in post-launch of BfA
No exact patch
zealous basalt
They promised me a pony
dense plover
they intend to redo them, but if they suck, they dont want to rush them
theres a donkey
in drustvar
so uh
take that?
we got moose
zealous basalt
i was memeing
I think there is an archiev called that
man, seeing the warlocks meleeing with the staff
cracks me up
idk why
plain vigil
There's a 4chan "leak" where thrall dies by jaina's hand.
Could be an ending to the green jesus trope
zealous basalt
hmm
dense plover
thats bullshit
considering thrall isnt even involved in bfa
and jaina has no reason to be mad at him
he isnt responsible for any of the problems she has had
uncut vault
I mean, aside from appointing Garrosh and aiding in the death of her father
zealous basalt
coughs
dense plover
i mean
she knew her father was going to die
she blames herself for that
garrosh - i dont think thrall knew he was going to get that bad
agile token
4chan btw
dense plover
i know
zealous basalt
Considering that Garrosh literally begged him to not make him warchief yet
dense plover
im just pointing out a minutia of the multitude of flaws with that nonsense
not to mention, i think thralls story is over
metzen doesnt work at blizzard
thrall has a son
it would be much more interesting for his son to grow up and become an important character
dense plover
one who learned of thrall's mistakes
agile token
it didn't happen
zealous basalt
Wasn't it because Metzen had a surgery that they scrapped hhim?
dense plover
yeah they cut him completely
i think its a mix
metzen had stopped blizzard stuff before blizzcon
the reason they cut thrall probably also includes the focus on trolls
they wanted to focus on voljin - sure thrall knew him
but rokhan?
he knew him far better
he is becoming a lore relevant character
i hope he gets a unique model eventually
remember when we go to get talanji in the stockades?
do you know why rokhan recognizes zul?
zealous basalt
because zul was famous troll, mon?
dense plover
no
because watching from the bushes
was rokhan
hes been with voljin since the beginning
no slayer
thats a dumb question that could be answered with an internet search
he believes in the horde - just not sylvanas' horde
zealous basalt
do we have these two armors already?
dense plover
variations
not the cloak
it was removed probably because it doesnt work right on all races
zealous basalt
The cloak is going to be their most difficult thing to work with
methinks
idk, that armor just seems
godly
Do you remember
how puny he looked?
agile token
yep
untold fractal
such defined calves lol
zealous basalt
burnt axle
So uh
plain vigil
Well she does want ti evenge her father suddenly @dense plover So she probably will kill rexar or thrall... But rexar is needed for half ogre so it probably will be thrall. Thrall was supposed to be a big player this xpac. Also just because the urn quest is with a troll rn, doesn't mean thrall won't borrow his urn in the future.
dense plover
you are inferring from a cinematic she wants to avenge her father
you are assuming thats what "im ready father" means
burnt axle
Was the quest to save Darnassus completable?
dense plover
it may mean she is ready to take over as admiral
or to return to kul tiras
you dont know
so dont make assumptions
agile token
I can see rexxar having some of the early development story they could have given thrall
But then again he wasn't shown as prominent at all
yet
dense plover
he doesnt
the story is solely voljin, rokhan, talanji and bwonsamdi
and a bit of that bad lich troll
uhhhh
zalazane
plain vigil
Peach
zealous basalt
Vision or?
plain vigil
I'm talking 8.1+
dense plover
he breaks free from bwonsamdi
zealous basalt
...god fucking damn it
dense plover
he terrorizes the echo isles
zealous basalt
he wants echo isles again?
dense plover
we kill him and send him back forever
yeah, youre still wrong 8.1+
theres no evidence of what you are talking about
zealous basalt
nice throwback to cataclysm
dense plover
you arent even making predictions
plain vigil
Hey man Speculation Don t gotta be so defensive and negative
dense plover
you are making assumptions based on your predictions
thats not speculation though
its impractical
speculation is plausible
agile token
?
zealous basalt
i know who zalazane is
dense plover
he isnt a lich technically
zealous basalt
nono, its from legion
was aman'thazal something like that
some bad meme in my community
but ye
dense plover
i literally dont know
zealous basalt
kinda nice that they made a nice throwback to cataclysm with zalazane
dense plover
i mean
its a core part of voljin's story
the throwback is zalazane being tortured by bwonsamdi
him showing up again isnt a throwback
its a direct reference
zealous basalt
oo
jovial coral
Pretty neat
plain vigil
Part of Speculation is inferring Peach. The whole point of speculation is to infer what details are missing. What I was doing was a form of Speculation. You don't have to be so damn rude about it because you feel there isn't enough evidence.
dense plover
inference is based on facts though
speculating on speculation is just guessing
which is a waste of time
saying "what if this means this" is speculation
saying "What if this means this, then this could happen, and if that happens then this could happen" is fanfiction
the difference is the foundation
plain vigil
the fact is, blizzard stated thrall will have a major story, the fact is jaina is 1000% anti horde now. The fact is she realized letting her father die was a mistake. I have a foundation.
dense plover
they cut thrall's story
plain vigil
Lol
dense plover
rokhan replaced thrall
dense plover
story bit for story bit rokhan is doing what thrall shouldve
plain vigil
Did the devs state that explicitly? Or are you saying that one quest isnt in thrall's whole arc got cut?
dense plover
they rewrote it to make rokhan a more important character instead of shoe-horning thrall in
dense plover
^
hollow dock
at blizzcon
dense plover
like the part of the quest with returning to echo isles was supposed to be thrall
hollow dock
Thrall was supposed to go on a journey with Vol'jins ashes
dense plover
that was literally what they talked about
dense plover
how we would visit bwonsamdi with thrall and voljin
but they replaced everytime they said thrall with rokhan
hollow dock
When everyone was outraged at Cairne dying off-stage
they said his story wasn't done
dense plover
and imo its a better story
zealous basalt
You know whats sad?
dense plover
thrall has no VO recorded, metzen hasnt gone in to blizzard since his surgery, and theres no reference to thrall in any of the files
zealous basalt
Sylvanas not considered an NPC part of Orgrimmar
dense plover
he was cut
plain vigil
This is news to me. You got anything linkable?
dense plover
all of the voljin story in bfa
literally look on youtube for a cutscene
or for a playthrough of the questline
you take his urn to ataldazar
then bwonsamdi
then echo isles
then back to bwonsamdi
end of pt 1
zealous basalt
bwonsamdi has a boss?
dense plover
give him the urn and he is like - woah thats one strong-a meatball of a spirit
plain vigil
Do you have any blizzcon links saying this is thrall's obly part?
dense plover
then you take the urn to bwonsamdi
zalazane breaks out
you go to echo isles
fight zalazane and get voljins glaives
return to bwonsamdi
end of pt. 1.
gimme a sec
zealous basalt
sec wasted
dense plover
yep
essentially all they said was thrall will be their to carry voljins ashes to the burial ground of the trolls
plain vigil
༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つgive link༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ
dense plover
seque to ataldazar video
there is no link
its pieces of scrambled transcripts
because everyone did a shit job because it was the end of the panel
and it seemed like a joke
plain vigil
They said one of the cooler quests is thrall and Bwomsamdi. They never explicitly stated that this would be thrall's only story point facedesk
dense plover
they gave little to no detail on thralls place other than he would take voljins ashes to the burial ground
but thats what rokhan does instead
also
plain vigil
Which pannel is it? I'll watch it rn and record the clip
plain vigil
I don't doubt that
dense plover
its the whats next panel
dense plover
if we see thrall at all i will be surprised - he has no reason to be there - he lost his powers, his weapon - all he has left is his family
plain vigil
You got a time stamp?
dense plover
its near the end
i think
if you skim its right after they discuss the zandalar zones
plain vigil
He may have a key role with saurfang, Baine, etrigg, and rexxar restoring the horde to an honorable horde.
I'mma go watch that portion rn
Bbl
dense plover
doubt it
tulip sun
I feel like....uh
dense plover
i sincerely hope he doesnt show up at all
dense plover
he has been in so much of the story, he can be done
tulip sun
I am pretty sure
dense plover
i bet eitrigg dies
zealous basalt
well
dense plover
he still doesnt have a new model
zealous basalt
eh old af
plain vigil
They disabled the app lemmi see if i can get it online
dense plover
see, rexxar just got a new model - if they plan to kill him off, it wont be soon
plain vigil
I mean wouldn't thrall's death be a good way to tie up the metzen era?
plain vigil
@dense plover agreed on that note
tulip sun
It would just be something to motivate the horde
dense plover
we dont need to kill thrall
zealous basalt
There is 0 reason to kill Thrall
tulip sun
And make the alliance do bad
dense plover
it would actually be good to have an orc just retire
zealous basalt
See
thats the thing
they need to force stuff to make alliance look bad from a sudden
dense plover
and as a result have him teach his son all of his mistakes so his son can be better
plain vigil
Idk he's the same as Malfurion to me. They both need to die. I'm done with their shit. They're pretty much the skywalkers of wow
tulip sun
Woupdnt really be forced
dense plover
instead of creating an orc who hates the alliance for killing their dad
zealous basalt
we need a boi
tulip sun
Jaina is full on horde murderer now
plain vigil
True
dense plover
he can just fade into obscurity
dense plover
until his son becomes relevant
tulip sun
Rexxar at least will ge injured by her
zealous basalt
Jaina won't hurt without kill
tulip sun
Then rexxar dies
dense plover
doubt it
zealous basalt
Which doesn't happen yet
tulip sun
Leading to perhaps Playable Moknathal and Thrall returning
zealous basalt
Shesh, you horde bois
dense plover
its not a playable model fyi
zealous basalt
Wanting to kill one of your heroes
dense plover
its very much rexxar
tulip sun
More playable than say Sethrak and pthers
tulip sun
Rexxars clothes are removeable, better than anything.
zealous basalt
wtb sneks
dense plover
they both have more animations, more customization
tulip sun
It could be edited easily
dense plover
rexxar has none of that
he lacks many animations
a;sp
also
moknathal are extremely rare
zealous basalt
they are quite
dense plover
rexxar became a hunter because he was an outcast
zealous basalt
an heresy
dense plover
he was the only one
plain vigil
Rexxar needs to bring in half ogres... They won't kill him
dense plover
a whole bunch of them get murdered during BC questing
plain vigil
What is he wearinf... His pants... Why
tulip sun
Doesnt lead to a death for Rexxar. Unless Jaina sees through her bullshit
dense plover
because there isnt currently a confrontation at all
if there is going to be a confrontation in the first place, sure he could die
tulip sun
Ya, but a lot is pointing to one
dense plover
not really
zealous basalt
Jaina isn't "hunt" mode tho
dense plover
^
tulip sun
His whole reasoning for the war is to take Jaina out
dense plover
no it isnt
zealous basalt
Like
dense plover
his reasoning is to go into stormsong valley and set up a base for the war
like he was told to do
because thats where the farm land is
zealous basalt
Literally the end of this patch seems to be recovering Jaina from where she is
dense plover
and the horde needs food
tulip sun
Read his dialogue?
zealous basalt
i don't think Jaina really cares about Rexxar or Thrall
zealous basalt
Has she mentioned that?
zealous basalt
Jaina isn't a crazy bitch like everyone say
dense plover
de facto reason he wont be killed
dense plover
tulip sun
If he died and we still commanded him
zealous basalt
yet people still want Thrall or Rexxar to die
dense plover
bingo
also
rexxars dialogue?
"A fine kill... but our true prey retreated into the shrine.
Dark powers or no, you will be our next kill!
Make peace with your queen, for your life ends here.
Your head will soon be mounted on my wall!
The pearl is not here. Perhaps Azshara's minion was more clever than he appeared.
Hmm... The trail leads deeper into this foul-smelling passage.
Keep your senses sharp. Some unseen force stalks us.
It led us into its lair!
Prepare yourselves. This beast will be a worthy hunt!
It is the law of the wild. The strong take from the weak.
The pearl is ours! With it, our vessels will become predators of the sea.
Now then... time to carve a trophy.
With the power of the Tide Pearl, our fleets will be unstoppable.
The Alliance must not claim this prize. All who oppose us will fall!
Now... let the hunt begin!"
tulip sun
I still think there will be a confrontation. Perhaps Misha dies or somethig
tulip sun
And that is not what i was refering to
dense plover
so that we can raise the dead body of that proudmoore
tulip sun
I will search for it after eating
His model points to being in at least an rendered cutscene
tulip sun
It would be nice hearing what he thinks of Sylvie though
dense plover
no it doesnt
his model points to being updated for bfa
because he is relevant
and shows up a bunch
zealous basalt
I dont really
See a direct confrontation between Jaina and some important people at Horde
from*
dense plover
^
plain vigil
@dense plover here's the video you refrence, I actually think they talked about the urn quest in a seperated interview. I'll look for that next. I'd like to point out though, that he mentions thrall's founding of the new horde, and his "place" in "all this"(the war)
plain vigil
It's too large
dense plover
they talked about it at blizzcon, but theres no datamined ANYTHING related to thrall
it seems pretty clear they cut him from the story
plain vigil
https://youtu.be/XDo53A4drqE go to 22:47
dense plover
theres zero evidence thrall is going to show up
plain vigil
Right whixh is why I think based on the pannel that it will be patch content
tulip sun
"Jaina Proudmoore.
She once made a choice to spare us from her father's tyranny. I respected that decision, and how difficult it was.
But she could not forgive what Hellscream did to Theramore. She turned her hatred against all the Horde.
She went too far. Killed too many. Her quest for vengeance must be ended."
You will fight Jaina Proudmoore?
"Her. The Kul Tirans. The whole Alliance, if I must.
I love the Horde. I made a promise to Thrall that I would defend it.
No matter who began this war, I will fight until it ends... or I do."
@dense plover
tulip sun
I personally take that as a hinting confrontation
dense plover
notice how they dont mention rokhan at all>
but how he is a HUGE part of the bfa stuff tied to voljin?
tulip sun
But ya
zealous basalt
Yeah, it can be
tulip sun
Jaina is a huge, if not deciding factor of him aiding the horde
dense plover
no
zealous basalt
BBut it can be also said that
zealous basalt
He will fight anyone that threats the horde
dense plover
the people he is protecting against dont matter
zealous basalt
Eeven if that includes Jaina
dense plover
that doesnt mean it is inevitable
tulip sun
Exchange words
dense plover
thats the opposite
it just means its a possibility
and considering he is a follower
its likely he wont be involved at all
zealous basalt
Again
dense plover
outside of war campaign stuff
zealous basalt
I don't see
Jaina actually hunting Horde in the first part of BfA
Heck, from what I have seen
tulip sun
She doesnt need a hunt
zealous basalt
There isn't too much war going in the first patch
tulip sun
They are on her land
plain vigil
@dense plover yea the choice with rohkan was smart on their part as noone really knows him unless they're lore junkies. I still think it's possible thrall will have a role in a later patch when Jaina clashes with the horde. He and rexxar are so tied to her father's death, it'd be a mistake not to have that confrontation.
tulip sun
I feel like Chen should also appear. It would be criminal not to have Rokhan, Rexxar and Chen momentarily.
Reunite*
dense plover
the chen thing was an easter egg
he isnt going to show up
they arent going to recreate WC3
thats fucking stupid
have you heard of star wars?
they tried that with 7
dont recreate a story
its lazy as fuck
make a new one
one where the characters have changed
maybe some are missing because they arent relevant anymore
maybe others have come to the forefront
maybe even the reason they fight is different
conflict and resolution should be about progressing a story and its characters, moving forward, never back
plain vigil
Peach. This is nitpicky, but could you not talk in one sentence msgs. It's hard to respond.
zealous basalt
probably 8.3 if the old gods aren't covered yet
plain vigil
Yea agreed
tulip sun
What is so wrong about Chen reappearing, lol
zealous basalt
Jaina is intelligent, I don't think she really blames Rexxar for the death of her father
zealous basalt
Chen is neutral
tulip sun
I am not saying to fight
plain vigil
Sorry i should have explained. Didny mean to sound like a shutdown
zealous basalt
She regrets, but she won't blame them for what she allowed them to do
That's just
Stupid
tulip sun
Stupid, but real.
zealous basalt
And she isn't stupid
terse patrol
Still dont get why Jaina didnt have her ship pursue the Horde airship.
terse patrol
im right tho
zealous basalt
Its called plot
terse patrol
Good plot incorporates logic. 🤔
zealous basalt
It's the same reason of why didn't Anduin and the rest killed Sylvanas when they had the chance
WoW doesn't have lots of logic
plain vigil
The reason why I doubt them not clashing is not only the overall goal for sylvanas, taking stormwind, but also tge fact that jaina's story is being played off as her regretting letting the orcs kill her pops. And she wants the world to know it. "Beware of me" as she phrases it. I
She didn't have enough time to summon the magic to lift it, as shown when she turns the ship @terse patrol
She struggles to turn ir
hollow dock
@terse patrol due to blizzards inability to put any form of restriction on magic they simply omit it out of certain scenes otherwise magic solves every conflict ever.
ruby star
@hollow dock
hollow dock
why tag me @ruby star
tranquil steeple
hollow dock
lone marten
The Zandalari Gear Is Awesome!!
untold fractal
Im not a huge fan of the Uldir sets :/ Some of the leveling and dungeon gear looked better imo
and Alliance is most definitely getting the long end of the stick with those leather sets
sharp bluff
Alliance definitely gets the better warfront plate set though
hollow dock
but spikes
sharp bluff
valid point lol, but the shoulders are still floating on upright orcs, so they look stupid atm
untold fractal
a lot of armor sets have detached floating bits, a lot of weapons too
that doesnt bug me nearly as much as clipping does
zealous basalt
How come that this channel has more discussion than the other?
agile token
the answer is yes
delicate dew
People complained about spoilers
so people moved here i suppose
Doing the alliance side of the battle of lordaeron now
So when you get there they already made it to the gates :/
delicate dew
At least the whole Jaina bit makes more sense now with her easily taking out everything
Since the alliance is shown to be rather weak and losing the battle
terse patrol
Ex machina blight. Requires another OP thing to nullify it.
zealous basalt
Thing with blizzard is that they have to make alliance incompetent in order to give horde some story relevance
sharp bluff
pretty much, though Jaina nullifying it still is a stretch, unless she did absorb titan power
in which case, sorta makes sense
zealous basalt
She did tho
Well, her staff
She is quite the strongest character that is mortal atm
hollow dock
Yup
delicate dew
Horde is and has been always better worked out than the alliance side so far i can tell.
hollow dock
Dont forget that Aegwynn also gave her some guardian juice.
delicate dew
Far more effort goes into the whole internal horde struggle compared to well actually nothing on alliance
hollow dock
Yes because thats how blizzard must write it
delicate dew
you had the dwarves thing that's about it and that was ages ago
hollow dock
They dont like writing for the alliance. At all.
So we barely get any attention other than to be the hordes lynching bag
Believe it or not when we say that horde gets more love and attention due to bias, we mean it
zealous basalt
Tho, some stories in bfa for alliance are pretty good
Methinks they got few love because Blizzard already did the Alliance future being fighting against some greater evil with anduin being old
strange falcon
drustvar is pretty good
dense plover
woah
i wholeheartedly disagree that alliance story isnt as good
its really great
it just sucked early beta because it was less polished
it had less voice acting, less interesting stuff, no cinematics
all of that has been fixed
and a lot of the shitty Kill X quests have been replaced or repurposed
strange falcon
i couldnt finish all 3 horde zones in late alpha because it was super bugged e.e
tulip sun
I find them both pretty great
dense plover
alliance have a more intense story that honestly hits home more because it deals with the issues of regular people and heroes
the zandalari stuff feels exotic and exciting because its so different
but as a result, it feels less serious
strange falcon
the only fact here is that just from the beta's perspective,the alliance stuff got worked on later
dense plover
^
dull latch
I am so psyched to play Alliance in BFA because of all this.
zealous basalt
I'm going to quit bs and actually play both sides
tulip sun
Personally, i favore the tone and aesthetic of Zandalar. But both are great.
strange falcon
it doesnt help that 85% of all alliance races are resized humans though...
strange falcon
i used my bfa boost on my one and only alliance char just to not miss out on allied races,
dense plover
i boosted my level 63 gnome priest so i didnt have to level them
meanwhile im working on my level 60-something nightborne
and my level 40-something void elf
tulip sun
I boosted my goblin...because i wanted a shaman
dense plover
i used my 100 boost on a draenei shaman at the start of legion
my main is from a 90 boost before warlords
tulip sun
My HM is 83 right now, lightforged 40 something, nightborne 32, and void elf 20
dense plover
bbut i also have a dk at 110
and my first character, my tauren druid who is also 110
tulip sun
Playing through MoP
dense plover
and i leveled a pandaren monk to 110 for roleplay on wra
i have way too many max levels
tulip sun
Makes me want to play Jinyu and Hozen so bad
dense plover
i also have a lightforged paladin at 110 - my only allied race i have gotten to 110
tulip sun
Your ahead of me, lol
tulip sun
I have 0 110 allied races
strange falcon
the only allied race i legit levelled was nightborne rogue
dense plover
ret is fun
strange falcon
holy is okay
dense plover
very thematic
strange falcon
ret is ♿
strange falcon
rOlEpLaY
tulip sun
Rp is my main focus and reasoning behind character decisions
dense plover
no i actually roleplay
my pandaren monk is part of golden lotus which is a big rp build on wra
tulip sun
That is my main activity
strange falcon
my character decision is "does it look cool"(race) and "what do i have left"(class)"
that's about it
tulip sun
I look at the races history, etc
Like...i dont particularly like night elves and it is one of thr only raves i dont rp
zealous basalt
First time leveling a character from 0 since prepatch hit
strange falcon
you can rp RAVES?
hollow dock
yes
zealous basalt
wat be raves
strange falcon
i'd expect vris to be able to
hollow dock
private server lyfe
tulip sun
Lol
hollow dock
dance parties with lots of drugs
tulip sun
Cant type on phone and dungeon at the same time
strange falcon
and glowsticks
zealous basalt
oof
hollow dock
you've no idea how many idiots treat felweed like actual weed tho
strange falcon
khamnin just alt tab mid dungeon if you dont have a second monitor
zealous basalt
Doesn't that kill you?
hollow dock
yes
hollow dock
Yea but felweed is a very painful death because you're ingesting fel
strange falcon
mana buns are more ethical
zealous basalt
That doesn't taste
So, what is the point of having two World of Warcraft infos in the shop?
limber mural
When Sylv says to Nathanos 'you know what must be done' is that just 'go prep the blight bombs'?
zealous basalt
methins
limber mural
the symbolism seemed to suggest it was something more
maybe they didn't think it was that blatant a trap idk
zealous basalt
I think they were ok with making Lordaeron inhabitable rather than giving it to Alliance
erm
sharp bluff
I believe it is just the blight bomb thing Emu
that is why she hands him the bow
No idea what else it could be at least
uncut vault
I think the moment was a mixture of sadness at losing the city, and worry for Sylvanas on Nathanos’ part
dense plover
in what way?
fun yes
tuned correctly, no
obviously
why do you think they are doing raid testing
and the raid doesnt open until september 4th
the raid probably wont even be perfectly balanced on launch. there are always problems with a raid for the first week
uncut vault
oh good, blizz confirmed that the shrine of the storm is in fact kraken based
hopefully we can put the "its been old god influence all along" stuff to rest
zealous basalt
You are hoping too much
dense plover
it literally looks like the kraken boss in the boralus dungeon
and the cutscene
like
anyone who thought otherwise is just blind
or didnt do any questing if they are beta players
zealous basalt
Again
dense plover
literally the main stormsong trade port in tiragarde and we see the giant kraken
zealous basalt
You are hoping too much for a community that is blind
dense plover
@onyx mason do you need to spam this in every channel?
onyx mason
no
i just said that in the general and forgot about spoilers when comparing him to what syl just did
dense plover
im glad you feel garrosh did nothing wrong. try reading war crimes,
its not at all similar to what sylvanas did
onyx mason
she just released poison gas on everyone
dense plover
uh
onyx mason
burned down the world tree
dense plover
not on everyone
onyx mason
yes everyone
dense plover
undercity was evacuated
onyx mason
before that
night swift
?
dense plover
there was no blight before that
onyx mason
theramore was childs play
dense plover
not in undercity
dense plover
thats after we evacuate the undercity
and yeah
she used it to push the alliance back, sacrificing some of the soldiers that didnt return in time
greater good
onyx mason
Garrosh did what he did before he dumped the heart
dense plover
in her eyes
onyx mason
everyone was agaisnt him from the start
dense plover
lol
onyx mason
thrall dumped the responsibilties on him and never came back
dense plover
somebody never played wrath
onyx mason
I have
onyx mason
yes
dense plover
its who he is
onyx mason
yes
dense plover
but saying that because thrall put him in charge, none of his actions are his fault is nonsense
onyx mason
BUT thrall gave him a leadership position
dense plover
nothing works like that
onyx mason
expecting him not to act like an Orc
dense plover
if a politician does something, its not solely the responsibility of the people who voted them in
the person, that politician, is also responsibble
they arent immune to their own actions
they cant do whatever they want and say 'la di da, its someone elses fault'
onyx mason
and plus Thrall was supposedly temporarily to give garrosh leadership
dense plover
im not gonna argue this
onyx mason
dude
night swift
The guys dead so who cares
onyx mason
@night swift maybe
we don't have a body
acturally we didn't even get to see grom burry him
btw mrpeach the Celestials even said Garrosh wasn't all to blame
yes his own sins didn't help but the distrust and actions of others inside and outside the horde influenced many travesties during his rule
and again Sylvanus just kills her own soldiers and uses another world banned substance to try to win a battle maybe the war
Blight is up there with the manabomb
oh yeah she also kills Arthas's sister
and don't say "she thought it was a coup"
She had personal reasons to kill a Menethil
zealous basalt
You are
onyx mason
Garrosh was trying to win a war
zealous basalt
4 months late in discussion
onyx mason
Sylvanus is trying to be Lich Queen
onyx mason
you sure?
zealous basalt
Yes
I'm sure
She will probably step down as horde leader and have her own story in a solo way
onyx mason
you owe me 1000k gold on illidan server if she attacks icecrown
zealous basalt
She still has some of the Val'kyr
onyx mason
some
zealous basalt
And that's enough for her
She is not going to risk making more forsaken without a place to stay
onyx mason
I don't think so.....she's been plastered to being a raid boss one day and Varimathrass already warned us
zealous basalt
Heck, she has lots of effectives due she being a warchief
And for the horde
For her horde
Is better to survive rather than lose and die
onyx mason
dude she's only been warcheif for a short time and most of the horde didn;t trust her
i wouldn't be suprised if the last old god isn't whispering to her
zealous basalt
...that last sentence
onyx mason
is*
onyx mason
dude
stop being like that
I watch nobble daily
and its a theory
not a fact
stop being like a prude and just have a discussion
tropic trail
Simmer down
onyx mason
- there are special cases
tropic trail
When it comes to the scourge, none of them are affected by the void's whispers
onyx mason
^ yea im confused on that
in matter of fact why couldn't she just be revived normally
zealous basalt
We know undead arent affected by whispers, wouldnt that mean that they are effective as wielders of void-light?
tropic trail
Depends
forest tartan
she was resurrected by anduin with some help from a forsaken. but its mostly naru light im thinking
tropic trail
That's if they don't get torn apart
onyx mason
oh yeah then explain shadow preists for undead
tropic trail
Calia was revived by a Naaru tsk
onyx mason
its funny how Menethils are all some form of undead
Arthas > Death Knight > Lich King
Calia > Light Undead or w/e its called
tropic trail
ALLAH-
zealous basalt
*ANAARU-
tropic trail
ANAARU AKBAR
onyx mason
Lets just hope Sylvanus doesn't keep using blight on Easteren Kingdoms
tropic trail
She probably won't