beta-ptr-spoilers

[tropic trail]

Plays Tenacious D's "Storm The Gate!"

[hollow dock]

I'm a person who doesn't like being taken pity on

sorry?

[uncut vault]

Jaina: come invade the undercity:
varian: I cant
Jaina: theres orcs inside
Varian:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406285497846071306/476228705149124608/image.jpg

[zealous basalt]

LOL

[tropic trail]

Gul'dan is inside^

[hollow dock]

no that works for Khadgar

[plain vigil]

Fixed

[tulip sun]

Whats gonna go down in the room full of leaders tomorrow? Any guesses?

[tropic trail]

DEATH

[hollow dock]

0 people

[zealous basalt]

"GARROSH IS INSIDE"

[tropic trail]

LOK'TAR OGAR!

[hollow dock]

Literally no one dies

we already know this

[uncut vault]

I hope for a genuine conversation between them, since we know they dont actually come to blows

[hollow dock]

Alliance gains nothing but dead men and the horde get to run away.

[uncut vault]

and it ends with sylvanas blowing up the city

[hollow dock]

so really no one wins

[plain vigil]

Tomorrow Jaina's gonna fly that mother f'er peirving a hole into lordaeron

[sullen fiber]

Pretty much

[uncut vault]

would have loved if they put sylvanas on terenas' throne

[plain vigil]

Pericing*

[uncut vault]

but sadly it seems shes standing in it

[zealous basalt]

"sylvanas come with us u are under arrest for making everyone dumb following you because your tits"

"I prefer them all to keep follow me because boobs, so long suckers"

[hollow dock]

you can say fucker

and motherfucker

[plain vigil]

Makore you spelled sylvanas wrong

[hollow dock]

you know that right gand?

we're allowed to speak like adults

[plain vigil]

Fucking hell now you tell me?

[hollow dock]

Hell

its expected

as seen by the rules

[uncut vault]

also, nice detail in elegy, Anduin didnt flip a switch on sylvanas, he still has that twinge of hope in there that she wants peace

Im happy he's gradually changing

[plain vigil]

Jaina's gonna fly that mothe rfucking shio into that mither fucking wall

[tropic trail]

I fucking love this

[hollow dock]

I hope she just teleports it and that's it

[uncut vault]

"Could that be why the old orc and the Dark Lady’s champion had come to blows? Because Sylvanas did not want a war with the Alliance? Even as he had the thought, he dismissed it as the hopeful yearning of a child who longed for peace."

[tropic trail]

I wonder though

[plain vigil]

Jaina's Davy Jones

[tropic trail]

Is it possible to restore Lordaeron?

[hollow dock]

By the Emperor how Heretical

yes

Ziridormi will appear

return the zone to normal

[tropic trail]

Not like that

[plain vigil]

She's flying it at the end of the cinematic @hollow dock

[tropic trail]

I meant like the Alliance

[hollow dock]

probably why there's so many issues right now

[uncut vault]

Well, the zone in game doesnt show it very well since they didnt actually revamp it

[hollow dock]

nah

that'll never happen in game

[uncut vault]

but sylvanas doesnt just blight the city

[tropic trail]

Exactly

[uncut vault]

she blows it up with goblin bombs

[tropic trail]

But it's still possible

[hollow dock]

so the mectric tons of blight she has on top of Lordaeron

are still just sitting there

[grizzled sleet]

If only Sylvanas brought back all dead night elves as undead

[plain vigil]

Death knight base?

[hollow dock]

untouched?

[uncut vault]

upper and lower levels are both obliterated by both bombs and blight canisters

[hollow dock]

Elune touched can't be rezzed me thinks Mim

so she does blight the city

[plain vigil]

something clears the feild of the imitial blight spraying

[uncut vault]

jaina does

[hollow dock]

why say she doesn't blight the city

[uncut vault]

newest iteration of it on beta has the blight temporarily frozen over by icy mist

[plain vigil]

Probably porter... From her mother fucking davy jones ship

[tulip sun]

That is interesting

[hollow dock]

the forced references make me cringe

so hard

[tulip sun]

My only lingering question: Whongets the HORDE out? We know Jaina likely teleports the alliance

[zealous basalt]

there is a portal below

[hollow dock]

Sylvanas has two magical races

[plain vigil]

They fly out on bats through he sewers no?

[hollow dock]

do you really need an answer on who?

[zealous basalt]

we are going to see it 2morrow

[hollow dock]

toss a dart on all the collective mages of the horde

[plain vigil]

Occuleth

[tulip sun]

None have been seen in the battle though

[zealous basalt]

inb4

idk

[hollow dock]

So?

The horde is evacuating in the city

[zealous basalt]

think we are going to get new wqs?

[hollow dock]

I doubt it

Lordaeron is a fully instanced thing

[uncut vault]

I believe sylvanas, nathanos and Baine also teleport out, as theyre escaping through the entrance to the throne room, and everyone else was evacuated via portal

[plain vigil]

What if saurfang turns himself in because Zekhan dies?

[uncut vault]

the undercity is basically quarantined when we enter

[hollow dock]

Saurfang doesn't turn himself in

[uncut vault]

gates between sections are shut

[plain vigil]

He does after tryna die

[hollow dock]

he rushes the alliance to die fighting

Anduin doesn't let that happen

Saurfang is then taken prisoner

[uncut vault]

he basically does what he was gonna do in the old soldier cinematic

[hollow dock]

^

[uncut vault]

stays behind and fights the alliance alone

[plain vigil]

But he chooses to stay

[zealous basalt]

man

[plain vigil]

Zekhan may be the reason

[hollow dock]

No?

[zealous basalt]

It owuld suck to be saurfang

[hollow dock]

We're told why he stays

he wants nothing to do with Sylvanas' horde

[uncut vault]

theres no zekhan NPCs, nor any troll skeletons at lordaeron

[hollow dock]

^

Literally

he's a throw away character

for a cinematic

[uncut vault]

trolls didnt even get an updated skeleton model

[plain vigil]

I just want zappy boi to have some coverage vris. Don't kill my dreams with "logic" and "evidence" /s

[uncut vault]

darkspear, that is

[hollow dock]

Zappyboi was purposefully made photogenic even

[zealous basalt]

zappyboi

[plain vigil]

Cutey pie shaman

[zealous basalt]

was an unexpected meme

[plain vigil]

That was good fuckin nluck on their part, even if theu did end up plan it

[zealous basalt]

I don't think Blizzard knows why community became so attached to him

[hollow dock]

they don't

they've literally said they had no idea about it even

[plain vigil]

But seriously why give him a name then

[hollow dock]

because this cienmatic

was planned

A YEAR AGO

[plain vigil]

I CAN YELL TOOOOO

[tulip sun]

I think he will appear eventually

[plain vigil]

Yea

[hollow dock]

Probably.

[plain vigil]

Just not rn

[hollow dock]

but it's very certain that it isn't now

[plain vigil]

Cause he has no porpus

[zealous basalt]

in a future patch

maybe as a ester egg

[plain vigil]

Naz'jatar maybe?

[hollow dock]

he's very much irrelevant

[zealous basalt]

easter*

[tulip sun]

Maybe is the reason Saurfang returnd to the horde xD

[zealous basalt]

we don't know if saurfang ever returns to hoard

[hollow dock]

People have placed more weight onto him than he actually holds

[plain vigil]

He's Zekhan Saurfang now.

[hollow dock]

see what I mean?

[plain vigil]

In out hearts

[zealous basalt]

the power of the memes, vris

[plain vigil]

EMBRACE THE MEMES VRIS

[hollow dock]

Oh I know hte power of memes very well

I play warframe

[plain vigil]

Oh gosh why do you torcher yourself?

[hollow dock]

A character and quest associated with him was made specifically because it was memed so hard

[uncut vault]

saurfang: ugh god i h8 what the horde has become, i got nothing left to live for, im outta h-

a troll: ur my dad now

saurfang:

saurfang: fuck

[hollow dock]

and I love warframe

the heck you talkin about

[plain vigil]

It cost too much to customize your character

[hollow dock]

Not really?

I've unlocked most of it and haven't paid a dime yet.

[plain vigil]

Although to be fair I played it in beta then ran for the hills.

[hollow dock]

Ah.

See

that was 4+ years ago now

You can trade platinum between players

[plain vigil]

LOL it's been that long!?

[hollow dock]

I just sell that good shit like god rolled rivens

for like 300-1200 plat

Also Clem Clem

Grakata

[zealous basalt]

pokes vris

[plain vigil]

ETHERIAL RACE WHEN!?

[hollow dock]

Never.

because bandage physis

[zealous basalt]

slowly pokes vris again

[hollow dock]

physics*

also. armor

what is it Mak

[plain vigil]

It'd make the Androud fans play wow

With masks like that

[zealous basalt]

points to offtopic

[dense plover]

ethereals are literally just energy trapped in bandages

[hollow dock]

Who cares about them?

[plain vigil]

🤷‍♂️

[hollow dock]

WoW's at the point where it self-sustains

like MTG

[zealous basalt]

MTG?

[plain vigil]

More to go

[hollow dock]

Magic the Gathering

[zealous basalt]

oof

[plain vigil]

Meth the greatest

Martin theador gwenith

Hearthstone

True meaning of MTG^^^

[hollow dock]

Hearthstone wishes it could be MTG

but you'll never be greater than it.

One of its cards literally has you go to a website to get its randomly rolled effects

its perfect

[plain vigil]

Id you can't beat em join em

[zealous basalt]

i prefered ygo

[plain vigil]

I prefer Uno

[zealous basalt]

before it became trash

[plain vigil]

Ohh you're saying pokémon! I was confused for a sec thete

[zealous basalt]

never understood pokemon

[jovial coral]

I think if some ethereals used some kind of blood magic it could backfire and give them flesh

[plain vigil]

Dude the only pokemok I play is pet battles

[zealous basalt]

the card game i meant

[plain vigil]

Back on topppicccc

I can't wait for tomorrow

[zealous basalt]

lets going to see

what dissapointment people will have

[plain vigil]

Can I just point out

[zealous basalt]

When they see Saurfang just quitting

After the old soldier cinematic

[plain vigil]

BFA is quite literally Catipults vs. Trebuchets

[zealous basalt]

Inb4 Horde Bias posts

[plain vigil]

I mena

Horde sofar have the better cinematics, quests, mounts, pets, races(debateable). Alliance have pirates. Pirates win. Don't fight me on this. PIRATES ALWAYS WINS

[grizzled sleet]

BFA is Murlocs vs Makrura

Murlocs = Alliance
Makrura = Horde

[zealous basalt]

i hope you dont mean

murlocs ar

[grizzled sleet]

no

[plain vigil]

Quite literally tho the horde uses catipults whike the alliance use superior trebuchets

[hollow dock]

yes the alliance from a technological standpoint have always been superior

[plain vigil]

I'm speaking purely from a meme stand point

[hollow dock]

oh.

ok..

I'll go then

[zealous basalt]

...i thought they used catapults too

but no

[tropic trail]

Vris

[zealous basalt]

they go to the fuck over the hedge and used siege engines

[tropic trail]

you're loved.

[zealous basalt]

nono i saw that

[tropic trail]

Doubt

Didn't see scheisse

[plain vigil]

In the cinematic the seige engines are topped with trebuchets @zealous basalt

[zealous basalt]

oof

[plain vigil]

While the horde use catipults

Like

Idk how noone's comented on this in r/wow

[coral hull]

So, anyone else excited for that new cinematic?

[grizzled sleet]

cinematics*

There is at least 2 iirc

[coral hull]

Yeah it's gonna be lit

[dense plover]

3 technically

2 in the scenario

and the warbringers video

[grizzled sleet]

Did you play horde on beta @dense plover ?

[dense plover]

i played both sides

[grizzled sleet]

I only played alliance side and I saw that there is a cinematic at the begining, Jaina use some spell to see what happened to the sailor, is it the same cinematic on horde?

[dense plover]

yes

[grizzled sleet]

Okay

[dense plover]

that sailor is from the surviving ship

essentially talanji destroys the alliance fleet

with a spirit of rezan i think

[grizzled sleet]

Okay 😃

[dense plover]

but there are a ton of unimplemented cinematics

one of them is going to be jaina having nightmares before you arrive at kul tiras

theres the cinematic at the end of each zone (i think)

the post raid cinematic

then there are two cinematics in siege of lordaeron

one when jaina shows up with her boat

which i assume is the boat from the warbringers

and then the other is at the end

probably when sylvanas blows up lordaeron

and jaina teleports them all out at the last minute or something

[grizzled sleet]

Only 10 hours left for lordaeron cinematics

[dense plover]

13 hours

dont they usually arrive at 11am PST?

with weekly reset?

[grizzled sleet]

wowhead says 'Daily Quest Reset 9 hr 48 min" for NA

[clever ember]

The dark shore WQ reset at 8 am pst. They don’t reset with the other dailies. AFAIK.

Not sure if the lordaeron stuff will stick with that timeframe though.

[uncut vault]

A lot of the cinematics in the zones are more along the lines of the corruption of ysera cinematic than the big ending ones

Still important, but not particularly long

[dense plover]

actually

theyre probably longer

they are much larger file size than the post-argus cinematic

the azerite one

[uncut vault]

No clue how they’re gonna stretch out a goblin firing a rocket and failing for that long in nazmir

[dense plover]

no no

thats not all that happens

the top collapses

the big mech thing falls in

and also something probably happens that causes all the blood trolls to get pissed

[uncut vault]

Are there two cinematic in nazmir ending?

[dense plover]

its probably gonna be about 1min30sec

maybe?

some of the zones have two

the big one for voldun is at the end with the big cthrax being released

im really not sure if theyre going to be long

or if they are higher quality

but theyre larger files by a significant margin

[sullen dagger]

Wellllllllll

Gmorning yall

[regal tusk]

are kul tiras human going to be playable at launch or later in expansion?

[sullen dagger]

Kinda

They will be playable... after raising a reputation to exalted

Or revered I don't remember exactly

Wait kultirans later

Those are the dark iron dwarves

[jovial coral]

When will we see Naga playable

[twilit pilot]

more than likely never

[jovial coral]

Nah it'll happen you'll see

A lot of people say "well they can't wear boots or pants and there will be problems with mounts" I say those are the lamest reasons to not make them playable. For the sake of the story, keeping it canon, fine.

[grizzled sleet]

No @jovial coral in a Q&A they said they put a list of everything with 2 feets and can wear armor when they wanted to choose allied races

[sullen dagger]

So no naga

[jovial coral]

Allied races are different, Naga is not an Allied race though

[hollow dock]

Brown. Those reasons are why they wont be playable tho. The logistics behind it is nightmarish

Gameplay>story

[jovial coral]

I believe in blizzards ability to pull it off

They should just tell their China employees they want Naga to sit on mounts like a boss by the end of the week

[zinc sandal]

Since they’re at it... Should ask China for those Forsaken models

👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

Good shit

[grizzled sleet]

Or just pray that China rule the world and we will get them

[grizzled sleet]

3h41min for cinematics !!!!!

[onyx dome]

Does anyone know if you can queue up for the Battle for Lordaeron as a group and/or raid?

[tropic trail]

In the beta you could do it as a group

didn't test it as a raid

[hollow dock]

Test it on the ptr right now >=O

[sullen dagger]

do we get somethink form this week's patch?

like the griphon?

[limber mural]

@sullen dagger no

[sullen dagger]

but we kill undead

[limber mural]

yes

righteously

[sullen dagger]

YES

also sylvannas kills his own with the scourge bombs or whatever

so more lols

[hollow dock]

DEUS

VULT

[sullen dagger]

HOOO RAH

ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN GUYSE

[tropic trail]

[lone marten]

What's nice is that as horde you can choose to put on a gas mask to save soldiers with saurfang or don a scourge spreader with sylvanus to kill people @sullen dagger

So we can be nice hordies

[crisp mica]

Hi there,
There is a quest on Horde side which is named "Captain Gulnaku's Treasure" (http://www.wowhead.com/quest=49138/captain-gulnakus-treasure).
When completed, it rewards you with the item "Captain Gulnaku's Treasure" (http://www.wowhead.com/item=163633/captain-gulnakus-treasure) which contains one Kyanite, one Rubellite and one Viridium (crafting reagents for jewelcrafting).
My question: is there an equivalent quest on Alliance side?

[dusky ginkgo]

The last Warbringer is released today, yes?

[tulip sun]

Supposedly

[hollow dock]

It'd make no sense for them to not release it later today

around midday for me on the coast. Morning for them.

[dusky ginkgo]

Time is an illusion

(It's 16h27 for me)

[west relic]

@sullen dagger don’t advertise in here.

[sullen dagger]

MY BAD

sorry thulm

forgot to link just the picture and not the web

[west relic]

No worries.

Mistakes happen.

[sharp bluff]

so anyone see the new cut scenes yet? or to soon

never mind

thank you wowhead

[zinc sandal]

Can't get in game

[sharp bluff]

wtf... you can freeze the blight???????

is... is this a retcon????

[agile token]

JAINA IS A FUCKIN MANIAC

LOOOOL

[zinc sandal]

It's not a retcon. How do you think the Alliance made it through?

[sharp bluff]

but if you can just freeze the blight away....

why not do it elsewhere?????

[zinc sandal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sharp bluff]

that makes so little sense it hurts, if Jaina could just freeze it away, Gilneais could have been a city years ago

ugh 🤦🏻

[zinc sandal]

It may be a different type of blight

[sharp bluff]

I must say, the alliance side ending is pretty cool

horde side ending is i guess ok?

shows baine pissed

[sullen dagger]

it's very eh

the horde side

i dunno what blizz are doing

[sharp bluff]

tactically it makes a lot of sense to try to take them out, though idk why Jaina didn't do the same frost BS magic she did before to stop the blight inside

plot magic is weird

[sullen dagger]

well, jaina grow in power like alot in the last years

she started as a student

[ruby star]

Wow Jaina is badass

[sullen dagger]

a good one, in ice thingies

[ruby star]

That cinematic!

[sullen dagger]

but a student of antonidas nontheless

jaina is friggin awesome

[agile token]

Alliance side is 10/10

[sharp bluff]

Horde side is bland, Baine should know Suarfang wants to die

[ruby star]

[sharp bluff]

it is all he talks about since legion started

[languid yoke]

sylvanas sounds like siri during the cinematic

[ruby star]

Can't jaina just freeze the blight again

After slyv blows it up

[sharp bluff]

^

that is the thing, she just did it

but suddenly can't

it makes little sense

[ruby star]

Plot armour I guess

[severe shadow]

Deus Ex Mach-Jaina

[vocal sparrow]

Maybe she just didn't have the Mana left

[dense plover]

ok, end cinematic was great, jaina cinematic was cheesy

[vocal sparrow]

I thought the Jaina one was awsome

[ruby star]

Jaina's one was amazing

[dense plover]

it was fun

but it was a little bullshit

jainas a good mage

but she can just clear the blight with a single spell?

what the fuck is the point of blight then?

[ruby star]

It kinda defeats Slyvanas using blight at the end

Defeats the point*

As Jaina can just remove it from what we saw

[sharp bluff]

Exactly

[ruby star]

Plot armour though I guess

[dense plover]

i think the difference is the blight is continous

its not just a one off

[ruby star]

It would surely run out

[dense plover]

thats why we still see it flowing out

also, we can assume those bombs from the goblins went off

so thats a lot more blight

we are still getting the azshara warbringers today right?

[ruby star]

Maybe, however Jaina could remove that eventually

I think so

Well supposedly we are getting it

[agile token]

xd

@ruby star the building was collapsing

so jaina had to teleport

[ruby star]

@agile token She could still freeze the blight outside of lorseraron

Then once blight is gone, they can rebuild

[grizzled sleet]

But the battle continue with Arathi Warfront, so maybe later

[zealous basalt]

Just did horde part

And holy shit

The last cinematic was so good

[ruby star]

Would great if they remove the plot armour later in BFA and Jaina freezes the blight and they start rebuilding 😃 though sadly I doubt they are gonna do that @grizzled sleet

[zealous basalt]

Go to do Alliance now

And baine seemed really pissed

[tulip sun]

Yupppp

He has balls now

[grizzled sleet]

First Saurfang, then Baine, who next?

[zealous basalt]

Nathanos

i was lke

"oh are you two a couple?"

"kiss"

[ruby star]

Baine was pissed off at leaving Saurfang behind

He didn't mention blight pretty sure

[sharp bluff]

Only Suarfang

[zealous basalt]

I think saurfang was more pissed to the fact they fled

[sharp bluff]

I think Baine understands the tactical advantage of taking out the leaders

Or trying at least

[tulip sun]

Ya, the blight honestly aint that bad in the way it is used at the battle

[terse patrol]

More Anduin/Arthas parallels. @dense plover

[dense plover]

nah

but there was a sylvanas guldan parallel

that whole nothing line at the end?

[terse patrol]

Really? The whole scene with him at the throne room?

[dense plover]

its lordaeron's throne room

ofc it calls back to arthas

but its not a parallel

[terse patrol]

Watch how he opened the gates.

[ruby star]

I don't think Baine would agree with killing Anduin

[languid yoke]

^

why would baine suddenly want to kill anduin

[dense plover]

he wouldnt

[languid yoke]

when they apparently started a bromance just before

[sharp bluff]

Killed Greymane he would agree with

[dense plover]

but wiping out all of the alliance leadership?

thats such a strategic move

[ruby star]

Not that its gonna a work

[tulip sun]

He is still a leader, who has peoppe he needs to look after

I am sad Lorthemar only appeared at the emd

End

[dense plover]

he was in the middle

he talks during the whole mini battle inside the walls of the keep

[sharp bluff]

^

[ruby star]

Yeah but Lorthemar does fuck all anyway

He might as well die

[dense plover]

lol

leader of an entire faction bro

race

not faction

also

ofc he doesnt do much

he doesnt care too much for the horde really

he only cares about protecting the blood elves

[sharp bluff]

Don’t worry when they finally update Silvermoon 🤣

As a warfront

[dense plover]

lol, never going to happen

[sharp bluff]

Exactly lol

[dense plover]

theyll never update it

[tulip sun]

I meant in the cutscene

[dense plover]

why would he be in the cutscene?

he isnt in the throne room

[grizzled sleet]

Some people are really arguing about who gets the longest cutescene

"Once again Horde have a more important role and get a longer cut scene. Blizz need to stop with this obvious bias or at least come out and admit it."

"Not only did Horde get Vol'jin death cinematic as well as broken shore cinematic but in the war of thorns horde got a mini ingame cut scene wit their toon and Sylvanas, alliance didn't get either."

Like meh

[ruby star]

Well Blood elves are not that well protected anymore

[dense plover]

yes they are

[ruby star]

The alliance controls the rest of the continent

[dense plover]

they have a giant fucking wall of mountain

and no

the alliance doesnt yet

[ruby star]

Airships,magic,vindcaaar

[dense plover]

hence the warfront

vindacaar wont ever be used for a personal war

also

[ruby star]

Thats pretty dumb then

[dense plover]

if they move the vindacaar, they lose bloodmist

[ruby star]

Army of the light granted it to the alliance to Use

[dense plover]

they will lose the exodar if they move the vindacar

guaranteed

its the only thing keeping the horde out

[grizzled sleet]

Horde can't attack Exodar, if they do, they will put Silvermoon in danger. maybe Alliance will attack Silvermoon first

[dense plover]

nothing is going to happen with silvermoon or exodar

they made that pretty clear at blizzcon

they dont want to bother touching those areas since they are still on the BC map

[ruby star]

Well it might, stuff changes drastically after blizzcon and they might be trying to hide stuff, also hints towards Silvermoon coming back. Only thing stopping them is the outland instance bs tbh

[dense plover]

and the fact that both zones arent made for flying

and would have to be completely redone

[dense plover]

?

@round berry wtf?

[agile token]

E

[grizzled sleet]

E for Enduin? Elleria ?

Elliance ?

What is that E for?

[strange falcon]

it's a meme

it's not made to be understood mimig

it's also and old meme

should be dead by now

[dense plover]

what the fuck is it doing in this channel?

we should just move on and ignore it

back to the earlier point - nothing is going to happen with silvermoon - its too many resources for too little of a payout. it didnt even get touched during cataclysm

you shouldnt expect anything to happen there

the zone they will likely redo is gilneas

since that could work as a city for worgen and night elves, and is probably where the remaining EK forsaken are holding out

[languid yoke]

yes pls <3

gilneas becomes capital for nelfs, gilnean and lightforged undeads

[dense plover]

lightforged undead isnt going to be a race

[languid yoke]

I hope so

[dense plover]

really unlikely

[agile token]

Absolutely not

[dense plover]

the distinction between undead and not undead is important

[languid yoke]

meh I'm just afraid of what happened in Before the Storm

[dense plover]

why?

you cant just go around and rez people with a naaru

[languid yoke]

cause it made lightforged undeads possible

not likely, but possible

[dense plover]

the reason calia was raised is because she is a priest

and because they have plans for her

[ruby star]

Uther has some sort of role in BFA though what is the questions

[dense plover]

its part of the whole light vs void story nwolf

nothing else

drorith - uther tomb assets probably were meant to be added in legion and it didnt happen

but its possible we might revisit the different stuff related to arthas with taelia

annd tell her what happened to bolvar

[ruby star]

Perhaps

[tranquil steeple]

I really doubt Blizzard's gonna do anything with Naaru/the Light that's equal to Val'kyr rezzing (like Sylvanas showed Garrosh, and he commented it's an abomination)

[ruby star]

If only Uther got rezed sadly won't happen

[sharp bluff]

Lightbound undead, not lightforged, lightforged go through the trials willfully

[dense plover]

rezzing a character as themselves is just lazy writing drorith

[grizzled sleet]

Taelia will discover everything about Bolvar by her own, and she will turn evil because no one told her the truth ,andd we will kill her

[dense plover]

XD

[ruby star]

@dense plover I mean that shouldn't be a problem for Blizz then 😉

[dense plover]

they dont do that if theyve been dead a long time

calia had just died

and they are trying to make her relevant

they have plans for her

[grizzled sleet]

I hope those plans are in-game too because we don't see anything related to her on BFA

[dense plover]

because she isnt in it

not yet

future plans

they might be a while away

[grizzled sleet]

Will they add her from nowhere without showing how she died and ressed?

[dense plover]

probably not

which is why she isnt in yet

anduin will probably introduce her in a cinematic and everyone will freak and for horde it will be surprise

because they have no reason to know she is rezzed

[languid yoke]

even less now that we know sylvanas doesn't tell anyone anything

[grizzled sleet]

I hope so, I hope they don't just let her appear without any explanation

[ruby star]

Slyvanans probbaly has no idea @dense plover

[dense plover]

she doesnt

she cant

she killed her

she thinks calia is dead

[zealous basalt]

I don't get it

[ruby star]

This will be a nice surprise

For Slyvanas

[zealous basalt]

Anduin said that he failed the dead?

[terse patrol]

Know what would be funny

[dense plover]

all of the dead alliance soldiers

because they died

[zealous basalt]

Ah

[terse patrol]

If Calia showed up in front of a ton of Forsaken

And they all bowed to her

Lol

[dense plover]

unlikely

[low hull]

more like the night elves civilians

[terse patrol]

Sylvanas face:

[low hull]

he failed them

[grizzled sleet]

Does Jaina know about Teldrassil Burning before this part ? she made a strange face when Anduin talked about the burning

[ruby star]

Caila will show up later in BFA or perhaps wrath 2.0

Though theh migt build her up in BFA for wrath 2.0

Bolvar Vs Slyvananas

[low hull]

i would say she just mourns/regrets, maybe she could have helped, maybe she knew

[heavy cairn]

"wrath 2.0" 🤔

[grizzled sleet]

Anything related to Bolvar will just be a patch in my opinion, no need to make Wotlk 2.0

[sharp bluff]

Careful saying WotLK will summon Vris 😆

[grizzled sleet]

So, Jaina appear with her frozen things
And we get Blizzard Arathi as brawl

[zealous basalt]

wotlk

wotlk

wotlk

i thought it would be meh

but the cinematics made this really epic

[low hull]

i would love a revamped silvermoon, the place got the potential to be a jewel upon Azeroth, and it's fitting considering the context

[dense plover]

never gonna happen

they would have to redo both zones

and the city

how many quests would that break? how many resources would they have to put in, and get -in all likelihood - get little back

[grizzled sleet]

Jaina's reaction to the burning : https://youtu.be/43XvDkd1Yb8?t=1m27s

Seems like she didn't know, what do you think?

[dense plover]

probably

she came straight from the warbringers cinematic

how would she know?

[grizzled sleet]

true

[tropic trail]

Well, I guess a good few allies will be salty.

Getting fucked n Teldrassil and again in Lordaeron

[zealous basalt]

Okay everyone

[ruby star]

@dense plover I disagree with you saying getting little back. A revamped Quel'thalas graphically etc would get them a lot of praise

[zealous basalt]

I will do some logic stuff and I want you to damp me m

K

First

Why didnt they let genn just rekt sylv in his anger?

[tropic trail]

because Anduin is not the kind of leader to not offer surrender

[dense plover]

praise =/= resources well spent

its a lot of work

[ruby star]

Slyvanas won't stay warchief dw

[dense plover]

how much would it actually be worth compared to making new zones?

i would rather get plunder isle and dragon isles instead of redone silvermoon

[zealous basalt]

Second, how did she fly away? New banshee thing?

[dense plover]

not new

she is a banshee

she went spirit

and then left

[ruby star]

Plunder isle is semi confirmed

[dense plover]

semi confirmed yeah

[zealous basalt]

Banshees can do dat?

[dense plover]

but no work yet

[ruby star]

Yea

[dense plover]

banshees are ghosts

they can do what ghosts can

[ruby star]

Dragon isle seems likely now too

Due to wrarhion

[dense plover]

probably

[ruby star]

Wrathion *

[dense plover]

i hope so

[ruby star]

Same

[dense plover]

islands are this expansions theme

[zealous basalt]

Third, why didnt they shoot the blimp with op ship

[dense plover]

plunder isle, dragon isles, nazjatar

[ruby star]

Yep

[dense plover]

because their ship would go down too

and jaina is probably exhausted

magic costs mana = energy

she did several huge spells

[zealous basalt]

And forth

[ruby star]

To be fair lore characters Don t need mana

They seem to be massively Overpowered

[dense plover]

including raising that ship from the sea, bringing it to lordaeron, wiping out that wave of blight, teleporting people out and keeping the ship in the air

thats a lot of work

she is definitely exhausted

they all are

both sides

thats why they look at each other

[zealous basalt]

Where be zappy boi

[dense plover]

its a 'this isnt over yet - we will fight another day'

[ruby star]

Slyvanas won't stay warhief by end of BFA, she won't die either

[dense plover]

idk where zekhan is

he isnt dead though

[ruby star]

Warchief*

[dense plover]

so im glad i was wrong

[sullen dagger]

the shaman troll isnt that important

it represents the "new horde"

but i think they use zappy as a symbol

or thatw as their intended use, at least

[dense plover]

100%

but i bet we see him again since he is a fan favorite

maybe on an island expedition team

or in future patch content

[sullen dagger]

maybe with all this attention they could do some spotlighting for him

[dense plover]

maybe when saurfang becomes warchief

since they are clearly setting up for that

[sullen dagger]

if

[dense plover]

its very likely

[sullen dagger]

i think baine has more chances than saurfang

[dense plover]

all of this focus on a horde internal conflict is clearly to have turnover for warchief without killing them

[zealous basalt]

They dont want a soo 2.0

[sullen dagger]

we had orcs, trolls, now briefly undeads, and maybe now tauren?

[dense plover]

eh

[ruby star]

Baine would do good for diplomacy with Anduin though they are setting up Saurfang it seems

[zealous basalt]

Nah

[dense plover]

im not sure baine wants to be warchief

[zealous basalt]

Horde warchief must be orc

[ruby star]

@zealous basalt might not be

[dense plover]

maybe the horde will switch to a council

[sullen dagger]

and i dint think saurfang wanna be warchef

like at all

[ruby star]

She might go pure evil and try get more undead and therefore anger the surpeme overlord Bolvar

Then we get bolvar vs Slyvanas

[zealous basalt]

Bolvar for warchef

[dense plover]

but thats part of the story they are trying to do - have saurfang learn that his life means something, that the horde is more important than a warriors death.

thats the whole progression thing that will lead to him being a good warchief

[sullen dagger]

hm

[dense plover]

a stable leader

[ruby star]

Problem with Saurfang being warchief he'll die soon of age right?

[dense plover]

no

orcs can live as long as humans

[ruby star]

Ah okay my mistake

How old is he

[dense plover]

they just die in battle more frequently

like 40 something i think

[sullen dagger]

i think the legion closure was kinda like... a relay race

[dense plover]

maybe 50 something

genn's age

[zealous basalt]

Thrall is younger than him

[ruby star]

Oooh interesting

[sullen dagger]

they killed anduin's father

[zealous basalt]

And thrall looks old af

[dense plover]

thrall is like 30

[sullen dagger]

they will kill thral and rexar

[dense plover]

he doesnt look old

[sullen dagger]

cause jaina

[dense plover]

lol

[ruby star]

I feel like Baine will help Anduin somehow

[sullen dagger]

and maybe aurfang will get rest aswell

[dense plover]

they wont kill rexxar

[sullen dagger]

maybe genn

[dense plover]

they just gave him a new model

characters who are getting killed dont get new models

[sullen dagger]

dude jaina gonna kill rexxar so hard it gonna hurt

[dense plover]

lol

she let him kill her father

its not like she thought it wouldnt happen

i dont think she hates rexxar for that

i think she hates herself

thats kind of the point of the daughter of the sea cinematic

now if youll excuse me

free boomsday packs await

[sharp bluff]

Baine as a warchief would be a bad idea for one reason

WARchief

Baine is a cool dude

but he does not strike me as the military leader that the title suggests

[hollow dock]

So.

Just did the siege

yes she did fully blight over lordaeron

[sharp bluff]

what was your opinion on Jaina somehow just making the blight fog go poof? something no one has been able to do ever

[dense plover]

i call bullshit

if she can do that - 1. it better take a lot of energy

2. it better be because of the titan power she absorbed

3. they need to have it take a lot out of her otherwise she is so strong that she is godlike and thats really dangerous when writing a story

[hollow dock]

She literally did it

when she came to Lordaeron

[dense plover]

i know

im saying

[hollow dock]

she froze over the gas. It crystalized and hit the ground

[dense plover]

that her doing it

[hollow dock]

that's just kinda science.

[dense plover]

better not be easy

[hollow dock]

She's levitating a galleon and created 10 arcane canons to bombard the walls of lordaeron open

[dense plover]

if its easy - it could lead to heavy one-sidedness of how strong jaina is that could ruin a lot of the story

[hollow dock]

honestly

[dense plover]

ideally, her doing it should be exhausting

[hollow dock]

It wasn't tho

like very clearly it wasn't

[dense plover]

thats my problem

[hollow dock]

Jaina's one of the most powerful mages on Azeroth

always have been

[dense plover]

her being able to use that much magic with no counter is dangerous for the story

[hollow dock]

My dude

Plot

exists

for a reason

[dense plover]

yeah

[hollow dock]

Why do you think she never did it

[dense plover]

i know

[hollow dock]

ever again

it's just for the plot

[dense plover]

yeah

i wish they showed it being exhausting instead

[hollow dock]

there's no reason to get all worked up over it

[dense plover]

it would be less - plot and more - story

[sharp bluff]

and yet no one else has been able to effectively make blight dissipate before, including the whole paladin order I might add

[hollow dock]

its' like the lack of teleportation/portal abuse

it's simply to drive the plot

Magic is sadly Blizzards Deus-Ex Machina

[low hull]

frost magic was the key, how blind were we

[zealous basalt]

I liked it along she appearing with her ship

That explains the ship

[low hull]

maybe frost beats blight beats blood beats frost or smth

[hollow dock]

No?

it's literal science

the gas is deadly yea?

Freeze the gas into a solid

it's no longer dangerous

[tropic trail]

In the end, jaina got a good boosst for cutscene power and that's all there is too it. Happens all the time for anmed, big chars

[sharp bluff]

then the ground would have blight on it, blight doesn't just disappear

[tropic trail]

Wouldn't read to much into it

[hollow dock]

it's on the ground

don't break it

don't ingest it

it's of no isse then

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[low hull]

That aside, i'd like to know how the others are feeling about it. They're still following Sylvanas with more or less questioning about their actions. Where does Lorthemar stand now ? Baine is clearly going to jump out of the train despite the affective blackmail. Gallywix doesn't care. Saurfang is gonna get heavy development. Nathanos is going Nazgrim 2.0 ? Pandaren factions (lul) ? Allied races, how do you do ?

[tulip sun]

Baine is not jumping ship

And the others have zilch to complain about to be honest. Baine is only mad she left Saurfang

[hollow dock]

baine doesn't trust her

but yea he's not jumping out yet

[terse patrol]

How is it that its always a problem when its the Horde getting the brunt of it, when it comes to MrPeach? @hollow dock

[calm plank]

Highmountain Tauren will probably have the same stance as normal taurens

[low hull]

i mean down the road, i can't see how Baine would follow Sylvanas through the xpac. Nathanos isn't happy with the destruction of Undercity, he showed HESITANCE in front of her Goddess. The others, we are in the dark about their opinion.

[terse patrol]

They’re setting Nathanos up to turn on her I think.

[tulip sun]

There is nothing for them to complain about thougg, and you can infer from actions.

[agile token]

the thing is, sylvanas's agenda is for survival of herself and the horde. It has no place for old traditions like honor

[hollow dock]

Dunno

[tulip sun]

I think most will be ok with stuff due to needing to survive.

[hollow dock]

There isn't Kham

but

it's not wrong

to be heavily sus

of this woman that's undead

[tulip sun]

Ya. Everyone is suspicious.

[hollow dock]

not really. just sylvanas.

[tulip sun]

Of her i meant

[terse patrol]

Peach forgets that she has the staff of Antonidas, and a portion of both Aegwynm AND Aman’thul’s power.

So.

Yeah.

@dense plover

[dense plover]

i know that

i didnt forget

im just saying

her being able to counter everything

its plot hold material

its dangerous because it means she can always use her magic as a copout and ruin story

she should be able to use that stuff, but at the cost of being exhausted

[hollow dock]

there's literally no bounds on magic tho

which is an issue from the very get go

[languid yoke]

Sylvanas agenda is "survival" of the horde

It's more survival of herself and brainlesss minions

[tulip sun]

She actuslly is konda looking out for their survival

[dense plover]

^

she generally didnt send the horde out to die

but she knows some will

and she is willing to take loses for general survival

[terse patrol]

To be fair, her action was the only way to combating Sylvanas’ BS Blight.

[dense plover]

where of saurfang is okay with everyone dying as long as their is honor

[terse patrol]

All Sylvanas has to do is spam blight and win.

If anything, that’s just as OP.

Now, if they had written that the Alliance found a vaccine for the Blight, so Sylvanas watched in horror as the Alliance army marched through it while her own troops died needlessly, that would have been cool.

But we can’t take Sylvanas’ favorite toy from her.

@dense plover

[agile token]

blight is not like having the cold lol

it kills you in mere seconds

[terse patrol]

Then peach is just going to have to deal with the Alliance being able to nullify the Blight via magic.

[tulip sun]

The thijg is

Alliance has not only numbers, but OP leaders

The blight is pretty much the onky power tool we have

[terse patrol]

Then stop starting wars? 🤔

[dense plover]

says the alliance that attacked in both stormheim and silithus

sylvanas is doing a thing - that gives us the right to attack!

[languid yoke]

We did not start attacking in silithus

Horde went there first, trying to make weapons out of it before alliance finds out azerite exists

And then launching a devastating strike

[zealous basalt]

Word

[languid yoke]

And had genn not attacked in stormheim, sylvanas would have enslaved all val'kyr and who knows what else

[zealous basalt]

Two worss

Words*

[dense plover]

uh

horde gathering a resource doesnt give you the right to attack them

not without a retributive strike after

[languid yoke]

Neither does horde have the right to prepare a strike with a new weapon after workinh together on argus

[sharp bluff]

From the horde point of view, we see Genn has attacked us, but the king did not punish this action

during a truce to beat the legion

[languid yoke]

And, alliance was only spying in the beginning

[tulip sun]

Uhh

There was no evidence of a new weapon

It was a what if they did

[languid yoke]

Sure, it was a what if for alliance

But we ooc knew that sylvanas wanted to use it

[terse patrol]

@dense plover Did you even read Elegy and Before the Storm?

A peaceful Explorer’s League expedition was sent to Silithus

[dense plover]

before the storm yes

[terse patrol]

Only three dwarves survived the slaughter of their camp.

As well as Cordressa

so

Yes.

The Horde started it.

[dense plover]

wasnt that after they had already collected the sample of azerite

[terse patrol]

SI:7 was sent in response.

No.

[dense plover]

well thats not very clear

also

that doesnt make sense

since gallywix sends people to mine azerite

but it isnt horde sactioned at that point

[terse patrol]

It’s literally in the book.

[dense plover]

so theyre attacking gallywix not the horde

but treating it as the horde because he is horde

even though it wasnt horde sanctioned yet

[terse patrol]

Does that mean Stormheim wasn’t Alliance sanctioned? 🤔

It was Genn after all.

[dense plover]

since sylvanas finding out about azerite happens around the same time anduin does

it wasnt, no

genn went against orders

and didnt get in trouble

which is poor leadership on anduin's part

he needs to be a strong leader - letting genn walk all over you doesnt do that

[terse patrol]

Did Gallywix get punished? 🤔

[zealous basalt]

They had an "extra official" mission

Basically Anduin said "rekt them if they become a problem"

[dense plover]

i dont even wanna rgue this anymore

ofc horde are the bad guys

so fuck it

now just stop pinging me whenever you wanna argue that point

because im done giving a fuck

[agile token]

oof

[dense plover]

i dont care who the good or bad guys are

i dont

[languid yoke]

Thank god

[dense plover]

i really really dont

[zealous basalt]

offers tissues

[dense plover]

i just want a cohesive fucking story

thats all i want

so instead of arguing points

why dont we discuss what might happen

and how it could be an interesting and cohesive story

instead of who did what to who first

im sick of it - weve been doing this for weeks

months even

it doesnt fucking matter

the two factions hate each other

[agile token]

Especially when this is just the beginning

[sullen dagger]

shall we call the buambulance?

[languid yoke]

Well why did you even bring it up

[agile token]

The expansion has not even begun

[dense plover]

because honk keeps fucking pinging me saying that jaina countering blight is fair

i dont give a fuck about fair

i care about story

its shitty writing

[zealous basalt]

Jaina is op

[dense plover]

its equivalent to the eagles in lotr

[zealous basalt]

Suck it m8

[dense plover]

its a massive fucking copout

im okay with her being able to do it

the problem i have is there is no evidence that all of this magic she is doing is taxing

which is ridiculous

she is riding a boat through magic through the air

she should be exhausted

[zealous basalt]

Because it shouldn't be? Half of MoP was us empowering her

[languid yoke]

I am not okay with sylvanas being able to throw blight everywhere, yet she can

[dense plover]

uh

she throws blight in the one city

[tulip sun]

Blight is not the same e.e....

[dense plover]

that is literally pumped full of blight

it literally has rivers of blight

how would she not have access to blight

in the city made of fucking blight

and again

[zealous basalt]

We should talk about

[dense plover]

im okay with jaina being able to remove it

[zealous basalt]

That reference to Warcraft 3

[languid yoke]

Stormheim and Gilneas say hi

[dense plover]

my problem is she did so much magic - and there were no consequences for her

she didnt look tired

whats to stop her from just countering all of the blight

also

[languid yoke]

Well she didnt talk at all in the finale cinematic

[dense plover]

did you do the horde side of gilneas

[steel venture]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.

[zealous basalt]

Ogod

[dense plover]

because the horde spent months sending shit loads of resources to right outside gilneas

[languid yoke]

Of course not

[steel venture]

how in the fuck did ya not realize that undercity is full of blight

[languid yoke]

I hate the forsaken

[dense plover]

the blight isnt a surprise

[steel venture]

its been full of blight since VANILLA

thats what thE GREEN STUFF IS

[languid yoke]

Why would I do quests for them

[dense plover]

forsaken are literally filling silverpine prior to invading gilneas

[steel venture]

SO LIKE OF COURSE SHE CAN BOMB HER OWN CITY

[dense plover]

the gilneans are surprised because theyve been behind their wall

[languid yoke]

Nice caps

[zealous basalt]

I mean

[dense plover]

there is no reason you should be surprised about gilneas at all

[zealous basalt]

If you havent done both faction quests

[dense plover]

its extremely close to the undercity

[zealous basalt]

You shouldnt just judge

[dense plover]

and silverpine is a huge part of undead forces

[zealous basalt]

Silverpine battlefront

...warfront

[dense plover]

its very likely to be silverpine or gilneas

probably gilneas, so they can rebuild the city

[zealous basalt]

Or silverpine-gilneas

[dense plover]

i doubt they will do two zones

[zealous basalt]

Big af warfront

[dense plover]

but i would accept it

[languid yoke]

Anyway Jaina only casted 4-man teleportation in the last cinematic, maybe she actually was powered out. She didnt even talk

[tulip sun]

She said a few words