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zealous basalt
wat
limber mural
Murlocs are and forever will be the poster child and meme of wow
hollow dock
I mean. murlocs appear in all blizzard titles
sharp bluff
actually, not saying it will happen, but do we have any clues on who the pandas will recruit for each side?
limber mural
hozen and jinyu more likely than not, if ever
hollow dock
zero because that's not an actual legitimate pattern
sharp bluff
hozen..... I can't see hozen ever
hollow dock
Anduin recruits the Dark Iron dwarves into the alliance technically
limber mural
ok now spoilers are actually here I need to go
hollow dock
In which.
The whole idea tha t'each race' has its own allied race to recruit
is absolute balogny
Liadrin, a blood elf, recruits the night elves.
A human recruits in the Goats
sharp bluff
the thoery at this point Vris is more along thee lines of "everyone in the embassy recruits someone"
and both pandas are in their embassies
hence the speculation
tulip sun
^^^
zealous basalt
for the sake of memes
hollow dock
but that's not how the CURRENT ONES WORKED
zealous basalt
pandas recruit mogu
hollow dock
so why would this theory exist?
hollow dock
Except THEY DONT DO THE RECRUITING
tulip sun
Every recruiter does in fact take part in the questline somewhat
hollow dock
Anduin and Sylvanas are the ones that recruit in the DID and Mag'har
tulip sun
They are present
hollow dock
respectively
sharp bluff
they are both in the embassy
tulip sun
Eitrigg goes to AU Draenor
hollow dock
Does that mean my panda already recruited in the pandaren because they were present and a leader in their own right?
🤔
tulip sun
Moira goes to help get the dark iron
hollow dock
Like sure. If you ignore everything else yes. Absolutely theory works
but I don't do that
tulip sun
Vris, what the hell are you going on about now. There is literally no way you can deny that people in the embassu are recruiting races. Hence the theory each aides in a recruitment.
hollow dock
Anduin recruits in the Dark Iron Dwarves to the Alliance. He does the swearing in. We as the players make the action happen.
All they did was propose the idea
tulip sun
I think you misunderstand
uncut vault
okay, does "everyone in the embassy proposes an allied race" sound better?
uncut vault
because that's what people mean
hollow dock
Yes that does sound better.
uncut vault
each person in the embassy has a corresponding allied race
sharp bluff
🤦🏼
tulip sun
He is the leader of their army?
zealous basalt
Vris seems to be the kind of person that needs to be targeted with the exact word
uncut vault
cause turalyon leads the lightforged
hollow dock
So wouldn't that mean no human allied races?
zealous basalt
facepalms
hollow dock
and would that mean that velen has his own goats to bring in?
zealous basalt
I think you need to sleep
uncut vault
I disagree with the each race gets an allied race thing
that has nothing to do with the each person IN the embassy has one theory
hollow dock
I heavily disagree with it because it hnestly doesn't make sense.
tulip sun
No, the person to propose a race doesnt have to recruit a variation of said race
zealous basalt
...if all, they recruited themselves already so
sharp bluff
each person purposes a race, not that hard
tulip sun
Technically the theory holds out SO FAR.
hollow dock
When you call it the pandaren allied race
That gave me the impression that you meant an allied race modeled after the pandaren
uncut vault
My bet is that Velen in the future will be involved with the light undead, since he's got connections to calia via priest hall
sharp bluff
all good
wanton badger
tulip sun
Even the foreseeable future, all are diplomatically involved with a person in the embassy. Sylvanas may have ordered the Zandalari to be saved and such, but Rokhan leads the effort. Genn on the other hand, leads the effort officially for diplomatic ties with Kul Tiras
hollow dock
To which I have to ask this question.
hollow dock
Do we think blizzard will let the allied races out number the base races?
tulip sun
I think so, why not? If it makes sense story wise to add em.
hollow dock
Blizzard has already on record said the allied races should not be outshining the base races and that they would still be looking into introducing full races.
that's why
hollow dock
Nah. That's always at the start of the expansion
tulip sun
Having more allied races does not mean they outshine thw base ones. I think they mean with the special bonuses they get.
hollow dock
That means that there is more incentive to play allied races though since there's so much more of them
which yes that does fall under outshining
since they're newer
they're better.
Das the mentality of consumers on a general level
sullen fiber
I don’t see why they couldn’t add full races during an expansion. Nobody really expected allied races either and that was done during the middle of an expansion. So who knows
hollow dock
I guess it's more in line with tradition. Full races have always been outted as an expansion feature and to pull one out kinda feels odd.
gaunt helm
Will Illidan ever return?
zealous basalt
Soon TM
gaunt helm
I think he does... Cause Sargeras and Illidan arent over
gaunt helm
Ya but they are gonna come back with us killing Sargeras
hollow dock
we should because he's just titan illidan
uncut vault
small, interesting detail at magnis encampment
some of the earthen ring shamans are MU blackrock orcs
hollow dock
We sure it's not just a random skin thing?
uncut vault
Would be nice to get an update on the remnants of the MU blackrock as a whole, maybe they all joined eitrigg in not being shitty people
(horde aside)
lighting here is very nice
makes my velf look almost normal
have there always been burrowing spiders in silithus?
uncut vault
oddly specific new addition
zealous basalt
they are spiders man
hollow dock
the beetles and spiders have always burrowed every now and then in Silithus
meager warren
T H I C C Blood elf
uncut vault
What do you need help with?
woeful sorrel
i want something and the thing require contract
uncut vault
What does that mean?
woeful sorrel
can you send me a message ?
btw i wanna ask a question
and i know its gonna make a fight
but
WARRIOR OR PALADIN ?
hollow dock
Paladin
woeful sorrel
Vris
jade basalt
Almost sounds like you're trying to get people to sign your guild chart
hollow dock
he was trying to find out if you can have another player buy your wow time.
that was his big question
zealous basalt
Depends on countries tbh
plain vigil
Playing through southern barrens, something hit me. With each warfront comes updated zones. In Arathi all pre cata models were updated. Including All Classic Elemental models, Raptors (previously in game), Beetles, wasps, and Buzzards. So, if these models were updated, I think it's safe to assume more will be updated with each Warfront.
In the southern barrens the following Creatures exist: Striders, Hyenas(Updated), Buzzards(updated), cheetas, Lions(Male and Female), Zeevras, Thunder lizards(Updated), Quillboar(Updated), Boar, Gazels, and of course Giraffees.
In westfall exist: Buzzards(Updated), Coyotes, prowlers(Updated[mount]),Boars, Gnolls, Kobalds(Updated)
plain vigil
4 pvp seasons
4 warfronts
A westfall warfront object was datamined a while back
The dev's stated pvp seasons will line up with major raids.
4 pvp seasons also matches the number of classic races on each faction
Meaning racial based pvp sets
Southern barrens for example is dwarf vs tauren
zealous basalt
hm
zealous basalt
They could be the so called classic heritage set
plain vigil
It explains why they dropped class sets
tropic trail
INTEREST YE' ON A PINT?
zealous basalt
throws wild bomb
plain vigil
Wildfire*
zealous basalt
oof
plain vigil
4 warfront = 4 zones = zone redux = updated beast models
zealous basalt
Thats a good hella math you have done there boi
tropic trail
Ribbit
zealous basalt
Interest ya on a pint?
tropic trail
INTEREST YE' ON A PINT?
plain vigil
We know that prowlers already have an updated model, as it's the mag'har mount
Funny enough I main a dwarf hunter
uncut vault
each warfront will cover two seasons, the most recent armor changes confirms this
plain vigil
How so Porter?
uncut vault
Warfront uses the gold armor, pvp uses t1 silver for aspirant, and t2 and t3 white for gladiator and elite
season 2 will use t1 white for aspirant, and t2 and t3 silver for gladiator and elite
plain vigil
Previously we had 8 seasons an xpac tho... This xpac has only 4. The higher tier armor is available through questing, warfronts, and pvp
uncut vault
what gives you the idea that theres only four lol?
the missing three tiers are not obtainable as of pvp season 1
plain vigil
Ion hazacostis
uncut vault
Source, please
uncut vault
And if that is true, I'd love to know what the reasoning for simply not putting in three of the nine sets for every single armor type on both factions
plain vigil
Basically he said that in BFA pvp seasons will line up with major raid launches. So minimum four seasons, maximum 5/6
As for why only parcial sets are released. Either they're releasing them in 8.0.5, or they're having issues with the models which was very apparent on beta.
uncut vault
can I get a source?
tropic trail
I like sauce
plain vigil
Yea but it will take me a whole to scrub for it
tropic trail
Sauce it please
uncut vault
Because in the QnA, he was not talking about pvp seasons
he was talking about mythic + seasons
with the special affixes
uncut vault
Yes, they change with the release of each major raid
the one at launch will be Uldir themed
zealous basalt
Are they going to be linked with special archievs?
uncut vault
I dont think so, but I havent looked
plain vigil
How long will PvP seasons last in BFA?
Probably longer than Legion as they'd like to match and parallel the other systems. They tried to fit two PvP seasons in a single raid tier and this didn't work as the first season's gear felt super weak and the second set of gear was more powerful than Mythic raid gear.
If you watch the actual livestream he expands on it more.
Pvp warfront mythic+ and raid content will all be synched. Or atleast that's the plan.
uncut vault
That doesnt say much about matching with the raids, by default, with the system Legion had, the seasons will be longer in BfA
as we know there will be more of a gap between patches
And also still doesnt explain where you think 24 armor variations are going
uncut vault
And still havent answered my question
plain vigil
You asked for a link I gave you one
uncut vault
And also still doesnt explain where you think 24 armor variations are going
uncut vault
and three out of nine variations for every armor set on both factions are not obtainable in season 1
plain vigil
We don't know that yet. The season hasn't started yet.
uncut vault
we do, perculia has been tweeting about it
with this latest shuffle, t1 white and t2 and 3 silver are unobtainable
plain vigil
From datamining?
uncut vault
not attached to any gear
tulip sun
Random thing...
plain vigil
If it's based on datamining that's not trustworth until blizzard make a statement and/or launch the season
dense plover
well its likely some of the faction gear will be tied to the next warfront and the one after that
tulip sun
But you know how ingame all the corpses in astranaar had that poison green stuff??
dense plover
since there are 3 tiers for each armor type
tulip sun
The night elves did that for some reason? Stabning the corpses with poisoned blades
dense plover
@plain vigil blizzard did give a date for when the next season starts
theres a huge calendar
plain vigil
Yea same as uldir correct?
uncut vault
Currently, the gear looks like this:
White: t1 unobtainable, t2 gladiator, t3 elite gladiator
Silver: t1 aspirant, t2 unobtainable, t3 unobtainable
Gold t1: world/warfronts t2 world/warfronts t3 world/warfronts
plain vigil
Yea so that does confirm synced releases
plain vigil
Idk porter dwarves giving human armor just doesn't make sense to me
uncut vault
which is more likely, 3 sets just never being made obtainable, or three tiers which match perfectly with the pvp sets of season 1 being put in for season 2?
plain vigil
Correct @dense plover but according to Ion that is the plan.
plain vigil
Nope
dense plover
which is what those factions are
uncut vault
in that QnA ion says that they DONT want to attach the season end to a patch date
plain vigil
Only humans are wearing warfront gear
uncut vault
"We want to be able to announce a seasons end without announcing a patch date"
dense plover
^
plain vigil
Uhhh not patch day. Raids don't follow patch says
uncut vault
yes, they do lol
tulip sun
News too
tulip sun
Horde didnt kill Astranaar civilians. Unless.of course you personallu decided.to
uncut vault
7.1 patch day launched ToV, 7.1.5 patch day launched Nighthold, 7.2.5 launched ToS, 7.3.2 launched Antorus
tulip sun
They fled
uncut vault
seasons launched with them, so clearly they are in your book
plain vigil
Like 8.1 8.2 etc etc
Those are what I concider patch dates
8.2.5 technically is a patch day, but it's pretty much just a large hotfix that unlocks content
It doesn't add content
uncut vault
if you actually watched your source, you'd see that ion said the opposite of what you're speculating
plain vigil
Also in the q&a he stated they're okay with delaying patches to ensure synchronicity to
I'm not Speculating i'm cyting Ion
uncut vault
you're citing false information then
plain vigil
You wanna argue for hour go ahead and do it alone bud
I just wanted to talk about the possibility pf old animals being updated with warfronts
If you scrolled up that's the origin of this convo
Pvp tiers was just an added bonus
uncut vault
yeah and it originates from false information so
dense plover
youre literally wrong gandem
plain vigil
About what peach?
I said that pvp seasons and raids are planned to be synced... Had nothing to do with patches
Porter added the bit with patcjes for no reason. 😂🤔
uncut vault
"we want to be able to end seasons with a bit more flexibility, we want to be able to announce them a bit further in advance, without necessarily giving away a patch date"
exact quote from your source
uncut vault
how does that mean theyre synching pvp seasons and raids
plain vigil
Still is synced with raids...
uncut vault
at all
dense plover
dude
plain vigil
Because he states that raid acheivements will also end with that cooldown time
dense plover
1 time =/= all the time
hollow dock
raid acheivements dont end until the end of an expansion. and even then that's just certain achievements
dense plover
you are contradicting yourself
uncut vault
tfw theyve said they dont want to tie pvp seasons to patches, and have gear specifically set up for other seasons, but the starting season somehow means theyre all going to be exactly tied to patches and warfronts
🤔
uncut vault
which come out with patches
plain vigil
Quote me
So you're putting words in my mouth to prove me wrong? Seriously?
Plans change
So do raid schedules
dense plover
they specifically talked about how they want it to go one way
plain vigil
Get a life porter. You're arguing for the sake of proving someone wrong and denying evidence. You're also trying to get a mob against me by putting words in my mouth. Learn to debate respectfully.
plain vigil
Nah man
dense plover
its the same point from the other side
plain vigil
I didn't even wanna argue about pvp sets
dense plover
which makes you just as 'life-needing'
then stop
if you dont want to argue stop
no one is holding a gun to your head
plain vigil
Can we please talk about the original subject?
uncut vault
Im sure plenty of the updated mobs will be used in the updated warfronts, thats expected
dense plover
most of the updated mobs replaced the old ones
plain vigil
I'm saying though we may get mobs updated that aren't currently
plain vigil
I'm not saying at launch
dense plover
but they arent adding more stuff right now
plain vigil
I'm saying with warfronts
dense plover
warfronts are with launch
plain vigil
Southern barrens isn't -_-
dense plover
and the current warfront doesnt have any mobs that need updating
thats why they updated so many old world mobs
plain vigil
The condor was updated same with the old elementals
dense plover
name a mob from the barrens and its probably been updated
dense plover
theyre used in the bfa content too
they werent just updated for warfronts
all of the updated mobs show up in bfa zones
or a variation of them does
plain vigil
Boars, Lions, Cheetas, giraffes, will all need updates for their warfront. The earth elementals were for example updated souly for arathi warfront.
dense plover
southern barrens needs new cats and giraffes
boars are just going to be the draenor boars
like all of the other boars
dense plover
earth elementals were not updated for the warfront
hollow dock
Earth Elementals show up as Azerite elementals as well as player elementals and othe rplaces that aren't warfronts...
dense plover
they updated it because its not a baseline shaman ability again
dude
its not debatable
plain vigil
Do they vris?
hollow dock
Yes.
dense plover
all of the boars in legion and bfa use the draenor model
plain vigil
Interesting
dense plover
its the new boar model
plain vigil
Yep but none of the old world have been updated to dreankr
dense plover
even the quilboar in bfa use the new boar
hollow dock
An Azerite Elemental is an earth elemental with Azerite on it
old world shouldn't be updated IMO
since different species
dense plover
they have to leave old models for hunters
hollow dock
that too.
plain vigil
Vris can you share the imag? This is all i cpuld find
dense plover
its just like how gnolls havent been updated
plain vigil
zealous basalt
the only elemental that didn't get update
zealous basalt
was wind
dense plover
and add an azerite shimmer
plain vigil
They updated hell hounds. And left rares for hunters to tame. Same with plauge bears
dense plover
when elemental earth outbreak event happens
the new earth elemental model with a shimmer effect can show up
plain vigil
There's no need to ping me bud i'm right here
Also that's good to know. Thanks for the info
dense plover
the difference between plague hounds and the boars is the boar model is very iconic for wow
its been around for ever
its the source of a ton of memes
plain vigil
So has the plauge hounds...
hollow dock
it's also in DH
as the boar pet there.
also the plague hound model is still in game
plain vigil
Plauge hounds have been in just as long as boars
hollow dock
Northrend and Coldarra retained their old models
plain vigil
Exactly
hollow dock
what are we even arguing
plain vigil
We're not
Peach is
Btw this is the updated Prowler that's currently onlynin the game as a mount
hollow dock
the skin is only for a mount.
dense plover
plaguehounds arent iconic like wow boars
plain vigil
The mane is constricted by the collar
dense plover
theres a reason they havent been made into draenor boars
maybe 1 day we will get a new model
but they are purposefully avoiding it
again, same thing with gnolls
plain vigil
Peach that's a non argument. Plaugehounds are up for opiniom not fact.
zealous basalt
lel
plain vigil
There was a large group that was upset about plauge hound updates
plain vigil
This has nothing to do with memes bud
hollow dock
Gand
uncut vault
Pretty sure the plaguehound model was A) hyenas also got updated B) the fire hounds dark irons use got updated and B) nathanos needed a fitting mount
dense plover
the difference?
dense plover
thats the reason they havent been updating
dense plover
thats not what we are talking about vris
plain vigil
Mhm
dense plover
we are talking about updating mobs for warfronts
and how the boars in southern barrens arent updated
hollow dock
yes and Gand is making it about plaguehounds
dense plover
and imo probably wont be updated if they can avoid it
hollow dock
I am putting down that claim
plain vigil
Vris is trying to tell you that they can update the mobs and keep their old models tameable peach...
dense plover
i know they can
plain vigil
Thus why the boar keeping it's old model is a non issue
dense plover
thats not my point
plain vigil
Same with coyote
dense plover
ugh
zealous basalt
i am lost
dense plover
read what im writing
zealous basalt
why are we arguing again
dense plover
theyve had so many chances to update the boar
they havent done it because if they fuck it up, it ruins an iconic part of wow history
plain vigil
Hell even hyenas
dense plover
find me a fucking kill 100 plaguehound meme
plain vigil
It's all about nostalgia
zealous basalt
world of boars
dense plover
no
plain vigil
Dude seriously? You're using memes to try and disprove a point?
tulip sun
I dont know many people to tame old models
dense plover
which is exactly what memes show
that boar design is tied to the earliest stuff in wow history
im all for them updating it
plain vigil
So then let's stop talking about boars
dense plover
but theres a reason they havent
rotund sorrel
let's stop arguing
plain vigil
What about the zeevrahs lions and cheetas
dense plover
zeevrahs already have an update
tulip sun
I would love updates of those
dense plover
its in the files
it was updated with all of the horses
it just isnt used currently
tulip sun
I forgot that!!!!!
dense plover
lions and cheetahs will likely use the tiger loa as their model base
since early in bfa it was tagged as new tiger/lion model baseline
tulip sun
Where dpes the tiger loa appear ingame?
dense plover
north voldun
plain vigil
Ooo
dense plover
part of the tortollan stuff
plain vigil
Hmm interesting
dense plover
the only one that doesnt have an update is the giraffes
and the striders
boars will likely use the draenor model the same way the legion and bfa stuff does
though only in the instance/that zone
plain vigil
Cheetas and female lions have different models Currently, but with hyenas and plauge hounds getting the coyote "skeleton" i definitely can see it
dense plover
ill be very surprised if they work on a unique boar model
plain vigil
The armored boars need an update
dense plover
armored boars?
dense plover
oh
theyll use the armored draenor ones
again
quilboar in bfa already use that model
plain vigil
Currently razorfen is all updated models excwpt for boars and bats
plain vigil
You have a link to the amored boar?
plain vigil
Isn't that based on the legion bats tho?
dense plover
armored draenor boar - one variation of shit loads
better angle
thats likely what will see use in warfronts
plain vigil
Any without the saddle?
plain vigil
Cool
dense plover
they exist in bfa and draenor
uncut vault
agamaggan uses that model, so the boars with the quilboar probably will too
plain vigil
Don't worry about linking them
plain vigil
No porter i mean with the armor but no saddle
plain vigil
Good to know
Southern barrens Warfront is gonna be so badass. My two favorite races duking it out
uncut vault
which races do you expect?
plain vigil
Dwwrf and tauren
dense plover
its probably tauren and dwarves or tauren and humans
plain vigil
Bael modan vs new taurajo
dense plover
it depends if they are using baelmodan or rebuilding theramore
plain vigil
Uhhhh
dense plover
i hope theramore because dustwallow marsh is the worst
plain vigil
Oh theramore
plain vigil
Hmm i don't see whyna warfront would span two zones
dense plover
well theres 3 alliance bases near there
uncut vault
opposite of arathi, one rebuilding, one making a new base
plain vigil
Well bael modan is still alive and well taurajo isn't
dense plover
theramore, bael modan, and northwatch (or something like that)
whatever that small keep is
uncut vault
Plenty of Horde bases near Stromgarde too, but none with the right sized area
dense plover
^
plain vigil
Northwatch is highly unlikely due to its short distance from taurajo
uncut vault
short distance makes it more likely, it's the mountains that count it out
plain vigil
There's desolation hold and the warscar with anotuer alliance base but they're too short of a distance
They need captuarablebareas on the way
Which is why short distances may not work
uncut vault
all three were made up in arathi
uncut vault
they chose the short distance between argarok and stromgarde, instead of the logical choice of a fully built hammerfel
because the distance was too big
My bets are rebuilt taurajo (which is basically confirmed), and an alliance base built to its north, across the field of strife near the overgrowth
dense plover
uncut vault
as thats where the warfront music is
plain vigil
dense plover
the one west of theramore is likely where is will be
fort triumph or bael modan
bael modan is really far
plain vigil
My best guess is either Bael modan or Fort triumph for the alliance
uncut vault
I doubt a zone other than barrens will be used
uncut vault
theyre not putting another phase on top of a phase inside dustwallow, nor phasing across two zones
dense plover
yeah it would be a mess
i just wanted a redone dustwallow
its the worst visually
its just lumpy
the zone
uncut vault
My bet is tauren vs night elves, as taurajo has a mountain to its south, and a clear view of the field of strife to its north, which is where the horde warfront music is. Clear, relatively flat field that already has some hills that could be remade into lanes, and a distinct place to stop at the end of the field, where a nature themed base could go
assuming they dont just do human and orc buildings for all warfronts
which they might
plain vigil
A lot of room for taurajo to be built up
I don't see why night elves would be involved
The dwarves and tauren have a personal vendetta
uncut vault
implying night elves wouldnt after losing all their land and their tree?
plain vigil
I could see night elf vs Darkspear in maybe the dark spear isles after Naz'jatar
Well the nelfs would have more of a vendetta against the undead and horde in general
Dwarves just seem the most promicing here with bael modan
If i'm completely honest I just want non plate dwarf armor
uncut vault
and undead will likely be involved in this warfront, same way trolls and dwarves are involved in arathi
alliance base to the northwest also just makes the most sense in terms of where each side would be
plain vigil
Yea true
uncut vault
horde defending taurajo to secure a passage to the south as well as the gate to mulgore
plain vigil
Northwatch is too far north and to the side
uncut vault
alliance trying to attack downward from the small amount of night elven land they still have
plain vigil
I'd keep Taurajo as the northmost point of the warfront as the warscar does have warfront music
The small area between the two green circle has the warfront music on my map posted above
dense plover
dark spear isles wont be a warfront
uncut vault
Does it? I only found the actual warfront attack music in the field of strife, rest of the zone has the occasional open zone music
gonna go check now
plain vigil
^^^
uncut vault
but I believe that sank
plain vigil
It did
uncut vault
which is why they went to the echo isles and joined the horde
plain vigil
But it was near Naz'jatar, which I see as the horde's main reasoning for going there when Naz'jatar rises
uncut vault
wait no, RPG lore, not sunk in canon
dense plover
are they confirmed not sunk in canon?
plain vigil
Well the alliance's motivation is to find their lost fleet
plain vigil
Uh
dense plover
lost fleet is found in questing
uncut vault
I dont think theyre confirmed not sunk, but them sinking was only in the RPG
hollow dock
The sinking was definately not RPG only
plain vigil
I completed the campaign on beta after youndo the dungeon the fleet is still lost at sea
plain vigil
But with Darkspear islands the sea witch is cannon so she probably did sink DSI
dense plover
either way
hollow dock
I thought the sea witch was killed tho
dense plover
nazjatar will likely be filled with azerite
hollow dock
or did she make her get away?
dense plover
good enough reason for horde
uncut vault
the stuff from wc3 was that the volcano on the island erupted due to the sea witch, and it was assumed the entire island was destroyed
plain vigil
Yea at the end if you stay he says "the storm is cleared but I can't find the fleet" and as for the sea witch, she's killed. But not untik cata. And she was the reason they left darkspear so it's reasonable that she already had sunk the islands
But the sinking doesn't matter if the darkspear islands resurface with Naz'jatar
dense plover
i doubt they will
hollow dock
The Sea Witch demanded regular sacrifices from her murloc worshipers, which led them to capture visitors to their island chain. Thrall, his soldiers, the Darkspears, and Kul'Tiras Marines were captured by her followers to be sacrificed.[4] The Horde and Darkspears managed to escape due to Thrall's efforts, though they lost Sen'jin. The Kul Tiras soldiers weren't so lucky.[5] Afterwards, Thrall managed to hold back her followers and escape on the boats. Afterwards, the volcano on the island began to erupt — which started the sinking of the island. Thrall's forces and the remaining Darkspears quickly repaired their ships as they held the line against attacks. They successfully escaped, and as they left, the Sea Witch taunted Thrall that the "Dark Tide" would soon claim him.[6]
dense plover
why would they raise anything else?
hollow dock
yea no island was sinking in WC3
dense plover
im fairly sure nazjatar patch will be one zone - nazjatar
plain vigil
They wouldn't intentionally. But the darkspear islands were near Naz'jatar
dense plover
along with lots of naga world quests on each continent
uncut vault
heres the main reason I think taurajo warfront will have the alliance base in the north
hollow dock
and islands
plain vigil
Actually it's two zones. Naz'jatar and plunder isles 😄
uncut vault
north area is where the camp looks out from, and has flat area perfect for lanes
hollow dock
have you ever seen the old maps of Northrend and Azeroth from WC3?
dense plover
an 8.x.5 patch
plain vigil
Can we get slow mode 😂
uncut vault
south area is blocked by a mountain (not pictured) and has way too tight a chokehold up to where the alliance base would be
hollow dock
ah and yea. the sea witch died in cata
plain vigil
Well porter northwatch is way out of the way
uncut vault
I think its gonna be a newly built alliance base, opposite of the newly build horde base in arathi
plain vigil
Yea that'a most likely
uncut vault
and since the area to the north has a lot of nature stuff due to the overgrowth, its possible it could be a night elven base, which also works in relation to being close to night elven lands
Yeah Im looking in southern barrens now, Battlescar between fort victory and desolation hold has cata music
plain vigil
Well i doubt the nelfs would set up base where nightmare has overgrown the area...
uncut vault
most of the zone has the open world warfront music
fields of blood has the warfront instance music
no longer nightmare corrupted
naralex purifies it in the questing
tulip sun
I finished reading Elegy
plain vigil
True
tulip sun
But, anyway. I predict Taurajo vs Bael Modan
plain vigil
But why would the alliance build a base that's between two major horde cities?
I agree kham, it'd have the most lore relevance
uncut vault
unless theyre gonna totally revamp the zone to somehow get enough wide space between bael modan and taurajo, thats unlikely
my biggest reasoning isnt just lore, but layout
plain vigil
Right
uncut vault
southern half of southern barrens is incredibly thin
warfronts have a lot of wide space
plain vigil
I think the whole point of warfronts tho is reflecting Warcraft 2 and 3
And having a variety of different Warfront styles couldn't hurt
uncut vault
well my hope is that if theyre reflecting warcraft 2 and 3, theyll reflect some of the other factions from that too
plain vigil
I'd compare southern barrens and Arathi to Florida and Georgia.
uncut vault
so far night elves arent in arathi at all, where dwarves are
they take up two buildings
plain vigil
Regarding roads
uncut vault
and a commander
plain vigil
Keep in mind also, most Nelfs were killednin teldrassil. They're not at velf levels yet, but they're definitely nearing extinction. Especially with crossbreading
uncut vault
not only does magni bring his special ironforge units, the armory is solely dwarven, and the workshop, which by all accounts should be gnomes (still salty about this) is all dwarves
uncut vault
which makes me think each warfront will have separate races for each building
plain vigil
As they served the same vanilla "role" although if we get 5 wardronts and 5 raids, of course it'll be worgen vs undead and goblins vs gnomes
tulip sun
My thinking was
Taurajo for horde
Bael modan alliance
Desolation Hold and uhm
Honor hold is it? For tTirumph? If forget, as forts/capturable
Can we get a map of barrnes in here?
uncut vault
it is triumph
hollow dock
honor hold is outland
plain vigil
uncut vault
but my question to that is, how will they solve that distance?
taurajo and fort triumph could work if they move some mountains
tulip sun
Hm...
plain vigil
It's not as far as you think
uncut vault
but bael modan is WAY too far away
plain vigil
Yea
uncut vault
three times the distance between stromgarde and argarok
hollow dock
Bael to Taurajo is an entire zone
where as hammerpoint and Arathi are across a field
uncut vault
its likely why they made argorok in the first place, hammerfell makes way more sense
tulip sun
What alliance fort is in the north?
uncut vault
but is way too far for the zone
hollow dock
also why would barrens have four forts in it?
it's supposed to be 2 forts battling it out no?
uncut vault
Like I said, I suspect theyll mirror arathi, and make the alliance build a new base to the north, night elven or not
tulip sun
Ah. Ok
plain vigil
Well if Taurajo is destroyed maybe Desolation hold vs Bael modan... Pretty nicely spaced , DH being the larger hold
tulip sun
Makes sense
uncut vault
taurajo is basically confirmed
hollow dock
So there are more points in the arathi warfront than just Stromgarde and the other horde place?
because
uncut vault
we have actual lines from the alliance saying the tauren are coming out of taurajo
hollow dock
that doesn't match up with what I last read
tulip sun
Unless they changed plans, we still have dialogue suggesting Taurajo's involvement
hollow dock
two major settlements fighting it out
tulip sun
Which is more than anything else
plain vigil
Oh shit that's rad
hollow dock
why would Barrens have four
plain vigil
It already has four vris
tulip sun
There is also problems with resources
uncut vault
its forward command, in southern barrens
"There's no time for chit chat soldier, this here is Forward Command. We are right in the thick of it, with Camp Taurajo over there sending wave after wave of those blasted Tauren at us."
hollow dock
still got knocked to two
tulip sun
Lol
hollow dock
yea that makes a lot more sense
tulip sun
We are here arguing when it TELLS us
plain vigil
Lmao
hollow dock
also lines up with the idea of the druids aligning with the alliance
since they're cutting through the cenarian lands
plain vigil
Nelf vs tauren does make more sense to be now since they are mirror races @uncut vault good xall
hollow dock
its not nelves
uncut vault
if forward command ends up being too close/small for a full on base, its likely that line is from the same quests you get when you first go to arathi, where you get a tour around the place
hollow dock
its humans
tulip sun
Forward Point is what race currentky
hollow dock
humans
tulip sun
Hm...
hollow dock
Literally always human
uncut vault
gryphon master flies you to highperch in arathi, could be gryphon master flying you to forward command to the south
plain vigil
They lost apl that tho
hollow dock
they're still in Ashenvale fighting a geurilla war.
horde may control the roads, but the nelves still control the forests.
hollow dock
As I said earlier
tulip sun
I imagined it being the alliance pushing north, horde defending south
hollow dock
it lines up with the ideas that the Cenarian Circle goes alliance
hollow dock
since the thicket, which is right above Forward Command, is Cenarian land
plain vigil
Northwatch moves a bit to the west and they're there @tulip sun
plain vigil
Wa sit o.0
plain vigil
How do I not remember this
tulip sun
I think i remember tauren in that green area a few days ago
hollow dock
it was the first target
plain vigil
I am doing the quests rn soooo
tulip sun
Refugees from taurajo
hollow dock
on th way to Theramore
uncut vault
since its likely a newly built base, same vein as argorok
plain vigil
Yea kham, you save them from quillboar
uncut vault
alliance owns the hinterlands with the wildhammer
and stromgarde to the south
they built a base in the middle to cut off forces
tulip sun
So theyd have to also create new capturable points...hm.
uncut vault
my bet is that forward command is like highperch in arathi
middle point of the map as a vantage point
tulip sun
Kinda an awkward position though
uncut vault
there was also basically no forest in arathi
tulip sun
Far away from horde
uncut vault
easy excuse is that the overgrowth grew more
hollow dock
It's literally right next to the base
tulip sun
I suppoae thatd make sense, ya. If theyd redo the zone
plain vigil
Not really porter the overgrowth was stopped
hollow dock
which is the idea of the horde making their base
It was stopped from rapidly growing*
not growing all together.
plain vigil
True
tulip sun
What is Vendetta Point? Could it be a caputrable spot?
plain vigil
But it's only been like 5 yrs
hollow dock
like over in desolace.
6, but this is magic and druids are healing the land
so
Druids tending to the groves uncontested would make em flourish
plain vigil
Vendetta point is part of the highroads
tulip sun
Hm...makes me wander even more about commanders
plain vigil
It's where hunter point is
tulip sun
A tauren has to be one of em
plain vigil
Thqt one druid from stonetalon?
tulip sun
Hamuul is not ab option, as he is focused in Silithus.
plain vigil
Lost his son to Garrosh's appointed commander
tulip sun
Perhaos Aponi or Tahu. Lasan even
Oh, uhh
Cliffwalker chieftaib?
High Chieftain Cliffwalker
plain vigil
I don't remember his name
hollow dock
Hamuul is not leaving the circle
plain vigil
You wach them burn down his druid Hogwarts
tulip sun
Vris, no one said that? V.v
tulip sun
No...it isnt really.
plain vigil
Circle shmirkle
tulip sun
Anyway, i saidnhe most likely wouldnt be
plain vigil
As having two hunters as members of the circle. I'm pissed the druid and hunter orders didn't work together. Hopefully hunters will work with the circle in bfa
tulip sun
Is Malfurion no longer a leader of the circle since he defended his home?🤔
hollow dock
Malfurion has always been HIS HOME FIRST circle second
plain vigil
Most concistant character in wow is sylvanas no?
hollow dock
Hamuul has always been Circle first, horde second.
tulip sun
And your saying Hamuul wouldnt defend his home? His fellow tauren?
hollow dock
He's a druid first.
tulip sun
Baine would even defend
uncut vault
Sylvanas had to chide specifically baine and hamuul in the novel for prioritizing helping magni over helping the horde
hollow dock
after ya know
uncut vault
hamuul is hard neutral
tulip sun
He is still the Archdruid of the United tauren tribes.
uncut vault
baine's going along with sylvanas because hes a leader and a bit spineless
plain vigil
#notmyhorde #Saurfangshorde
uncut vault
but hamuul has never been concerned with faction conflict
hollow dock
Baine has to do it or have the Tauren wiped out
tulip sun
He wont abandon him. But why are we continuing when i said he WOULDNT do this?
hollow dock
Hamuul has never stepped a hoof forward to get involved in the faction war
it's out of character for him to suddenly do that.
uncut vault
honestly, the tauren commander could just be baine
uncut vault
big people like rokhan and turalyon are commanders
hollow dock
Aponi is honestly not that big of a character.
tulip sun
Not exactly as big lore characters tbh. Turalyon is a military leader and Rokhan a shadow hunter
We have little tauren characters
plain vigil
BAHM FACTION CONFLICT FOUND! Reasoning? Racism!
Hamuul Runetotem is the Archdruid of Thunder Bluff and a venerated leader of the tauren people. He is the highest-ranked tauren in the Cenarion Circle, though the inclusion of tauren has incurred the ire of his night elf counterpart, Fandral Staghelm, who believes that only night elves can be druids.[2]
tulip sun
Aponi is one of the biggedt
uncut vault
rokhan's the defacto troll leader, turalyons the leader of the army of the light
hollow dock
pretty tiny of a character.
tulip sun
Doesn't stop her from being one of the most noticeable
plain vigil
Which dwarf let saurfang take his son's body was it falstad ir magni?
uncut vault
muradin
plain vigil
Ah kk
tulip sun
Name other tayren then, lol
uncut vault
and he didnt let him take saurfang the youngers body until varian intervened
hollow dock
Baine
plain vigil
Was it varian?
hollow dock
Why couldn't it be Baine?
plain vigil
It probably is Baine
tulip sun
I just personally dont see it. Suppose another option could be Dezco
plain vigil
Cause we had Mauradin for Arathi
hollow dock
Like. Legit Aponi's not done anything. Eveni n Legion she was kinda just...there.
tulip sun
I guess he may want to make up for not allowing then revenge earlier, lol
hollow dock
Dezco didn't even make an apperance
uncut vault
all the current commanders have a common thread of being relevant to either the zone, or the current story
tulip sun
He did in deleted content, but ya
uncut vault
5/6 are either a racial leader or involved in recruiting a race, only exception is Danath, who is the rightful ruler of stromgarde
tulip sun
I didn't say it did?
hollow dock
You say that in rebuttle to me saying "Dezco didn't appear"
plain vigil
Okay topic shift! WHO'S ready to see Jaina Jones fly her Fkying DADchmen into kordaeron tomorrow!?
hollow dock
there's no one else that's actually relevant tho
tulip sun
Could substitue a HM
hollow dock
Lesan?
uncut vault
Baine's current attitude as of 8.0, on zandalar, is loyal to the horde, but wary of dishonor
tulip sun
Ya, he appears...once lol
hollow dock
ah yes
tulip sun
Lasan Skyhorn
hollow dock
very relevant
uncut vault
been on the front lines at lordaeron, both factions see baine
tulip sun
I mean, Baine has a whopping two? Lol. Dont k ow why your acting like that is nothing.
uncut vault
Also, I hope jaina does something cooler than just levitate the boat
portal it in, or big ol wave
hollow dock
He's had more screen time in the past few months than he's had in the past ten years since cataclysm
tulip sun
I want to see if Baine does anything or says anything to Andui
hollow dock
yes he's far more relevant
tulip sun
Anduin*
hollow dock
He's not going to
uncut vault
lordaeron isnt really about the horde, so he doesnt do much
tulip sun
They will come face to face tomorrow
hollow dock
You do remember the whole 'Cut off communication' right?
tulip sun
Eh.
hollow dock
Like it's great to be hopeful, but don't be ignoring everything that's going on to keep that hope
uncut vault
"Banshee Queen didn’t show a lot of emotion, so when her eyes were narrowed, her lips were pressed together, and she spoke harshly, it was equivalent to an orc having a total meltdown" I dont know why this line makes me laugh
uncut vault
its in reference to saurfang
plain vigil
How does an orc not have a meltdown?
hollow dock
^
hollow dock
i mean. it doesn't matter
tulip sun
?
uncut vault
Renzik
hollow dock
the shiv?
tulip sun
Ji Firepaw was referenced though! Win for the Pandaren
zealous basalt
who was renzik again
tulip sun
And yes
tulip sun
Goblin second in command of SI:7
tulip sun
I mean, better than not being referenced at all Vris
uncut vault
according to renzik it was close, which says a lot going up against saurfang
plain vigil
uncut vault
nathanos is no joke
plain vigil
Misisng a detail
tulip sun
Your so gun to talk with e.e
tulip sun
Fun*