they just touched up some of his armor
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
no suramar equivalent unfortunately
but islands will fill a lot of that
theres generally less end game questing imo
but there is more repeatable content
agile token
His model upgrade is huge
dense plover
when i say repeatable content, i mean content that you can run at least once or twice a week and enjoy every time
M+, islands, some world quests, warfronts, world stuff in arathi
dense plover
that wouldnt work
since that would change the physical model
this is just a modification of the skeleton
and theyre currently appropriately tall
zealous basalt
Ye, but it looks odd to have hunch and not hunch of the same height
grizzled sleet
Assuming you complete all 3 zones when you're making your way to 120. What is left to do at lvl 120 ? Is War Campaign long enough?
dense plover
theyre a head and a half taller
120 is war campaign, warfront, end game questline with voljin/jaina stuff, rep grinding
zealous basalt
ohh
grizzled sleet
There is no secondary quests in the other continent for example?
grizzled sleet
Okay
dense plover
but its a good amount of end game quests
zealous basalt
If you want to
dense plover
probably a similar amount to suramar tbh
dense plover
just doesnt feel like it since i got it all very fast because the rep lock wasnt added until later
it has rep lock just like suramar does
so it will feel similar
zealous basalt
But is the rep so hard to get like suramar?
grizzled sleet
But when I read something like this : http://www.wowhead.com/news=284330/alliance-war-campaign-part-2-blood-and-sand
It feels too short
no?
grizzled sleet
Oh okay I found only 4 parts on wowhead
dense plover
base suramar prior to 7.1 had about the same amount
honestly, it feels fine
there definitely is less end game story
but i believe thats sort of on purpose
to help make patches feel more important
grizzled sleet
Okay, there is no quests locked until the raid open?
dense plover
plus it allows them to feel more comfortable adding story stuff in 8.x.5 patches
i think theres a small amount
but im not sure
raid opens shortly after launch, so its not a big deal
i think theres a quest for it, but i dont think its related to the war campaign
and i think defeating ghuun will give a big azerite reward
im more excited for the raid end cinematic
because its either going to be azshara stuff
or something unexpected
dense plover
i think it will
grizzled sleet
zealous basalt
Are we getting micro raids?
zealous basalt
Or was it a failed thing?
dense plover
i dont think it was failed
blizz said they liked it
but that it felt forced
i think they said they wanted to do more dungeons instead
because dungeons have more longevity and allow them to tell a more cohesive story thats more accessible
but im not blizzard
so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
agile token
waiting on that naval battle with jaina cinematic where she yells FIRE!
dense plover
generally this is what i expect: 8.0 - uldir, and stuff we know about with cinematics finally decrypted. 8.0.5 - more islands, maybe a dungeon, some more voljin stuff and jaina stuff maybe. 8.1 - azshara raises an island from the sea - possibly nazjatar - and this has a good singleplayer story that is set over 3 or 4 weeks before the raid is unlocked, similar to argus. 8.1.5 - more islands, additional dungeons, maybe plunder isle finally as like a timeless isle type thing
agile token
hoping
agile token
Can we atleast say yarr
dense plover
again, jaina is pretty much absent for most of the patch
agile token
we're getting there
dense plover
she has to re-earn the trust of the people first
thats probably the next part of the jaina questline in .1 or 0.5
agile token
Talking about after that
dense plover
i mean, ive said my prediction for 8.1 raid cinematic intro thing before
big naval battle above the waves between Zandalar and Kul Tiras. Azshara begins to narrate, camera pans down "We have been waiting to claim what is ours. While you were fighting on the surface, we plotted beneath the waves. Now it is time for Nazjatar to Rise!" - island is raised from the sea showing the glorious city of nazjatar made of pearls and azerite and coral. "You have faced my wrath and pride, now you will die!" - patch title plays "Rise of Nazjatar"
this would probably be built up with some kind of 0.5 patch that has us go to a new dungeon and fight some naga and then get upset that the alliancce got something.
eventually we get a quest to do a ship battle
agile token
well yeah that's kind of obvious
dense plover
cinematic plays and both sides have their fleets wrecked as the island rises from the sea
hire me blizzard
ill write your stories for free
you can pay me in burritos
agile token
dense plover
bows
agile token
We're going to see N'zoth in the azshara warbringers too
That's basically a given
World first
zealous basalt
whispers allied class related to dragonflights
dense plover
whispers slightly louder, probably not
calm plank
I knew I wasn't the only one thinking that's N'zoth @agile token
calm plank
I'd say a few whispers of him talking to Azshara and maybe a glimpse of him underwater
zealous basalt
Underwater area
dense plover
it
while masculine sounding, old gods dont have genders
theyre amorphous tentacle beasts
i believe the only one that actually has a defined gender is yshaarj
because the mantid called it a he
but thats still kind of just based on the voice
dense plover
sometimes after launch
probably in a .5 patch
along with goblins
if they plan to do gilneas stuff in 8.2, it will be either with that or right before it
tropic trail
Quick question
calm plank
?
tropic trail
Whos leading the Darkspear as of now?
dense plover
nobody technically
calm plank
no one as far as we know
dense plover
but sort of rokhan
tropic trail
Hm
calm plank
like so far we haven't seen anyone being called chief of the darkspears or something
but rokhan is pretty much the only important darkspear
(except for zappy boi now I guess)
calm plank
I sure do hope we see more of zappy boi
dense plover
i dont want to dash hopes
but we see saurfang go from "for the horde" to - im okay to sit in an alliance prison, so im guessing that zappyboi dies to the plague or something in a cinematic we havent seen yet
maybe during the siege finale
zealous basalt
People are going to HATE sylvanas if that happens
tranquil steeple
I just think that's because of Sylvanas' plans in general making Saurfang be willing to sit in the Stockades
But with the 'Old Soldier' cinematic... it might be a possibility that something happened to Zappyboi too. Fingers crossed he's fine tho.
tulip sun
Could be he died by alliance hands too
tranquil steeple
dense plover
^
tranquil steeple
So long as he dies with HONOR
dense plover
it would be better story and wouldnt make sylvanas an even greater villian
so yeah
alliance hands would be better
not dying would be best
tulip sun
I want him to live tho
zealous basalt
...You kno
tulip sun
I dont see his model ingame, so
zealous basalt
Making him die to alliance hands would make horde playeres be like "Oh fuckers you morally grey bastards"
tulip sun
Them killing zappy boi would make me murder every last alliance scum
zealous basalt
...Then we will have alliance players in twitter saying "WE DIDN'T WANT TO KILL ZAPPY BOY YOU BASTARDS REEE"
hollow dock
How many kids following their fathers example do you think the Horde's killed?
zealous basalt
How many kids do you think the people care for?
zealous basalt
You don't see reason
But atm he is like
As popular as something that is popular
hollow dock
I still don't see the reason other than people getting overly emotional over him.
zealous basalt
Not for you because you are biased
But we have seen in twitter lots of #Zappyboi trends
hollow dock
I really am not. but ok.
zealous basalt
or stuff like that
zealous basalt
...Which means high popularity rate
hollow dock
we are a culture of indulgene
Watch, if he recieves no other attention
a month later he'll be forgotten
cuz he's no longer 'popular'
zealous basalt
And if he receives attention?
hollow dock
people will get sick of him andbegin hate campaigns
like all things that become popular
zealous basalt
Let me tell you, he won't get such hate campaigns
hollow dock
He will.
It doesn't matter how wholesome a topic is, just as there's a crowd that hops onthe popular wave just because its popular, there'll be people who hop onto the hate train just because its popular started by people who are just sick ofit
zealous basalt
Doesn't mean that people won't make a mess of it depending on his fate
meager warren
@zealous basalt wdym you want Zappyboi to die
zealous basalt
I MEANT THAT IF HE DIES
I'D PREFER IF HE DOES IT BY THE HANDS OF ALLIANCE RATHER THAN BEING PLAGUED TO HECK BY SYLVANAS
rolls newspaper
tropic trail
Hits Makore with the newspaper
meager warren
Hits Makore with another newspaper
how could you prefer him to die at all
heretic
zealous basalt
No no
You don't get me
In the case that eh dies
I'd prefer if he survives
smacks both with newspaper
meager warren
REEEEE
zealous basalt
But peach the party pooper had anice argument
meager warren
@hollow dock I will never forget Zappyboi
dense plover
and he shows up in two cinematics
meager warren
#NeverForget2018
dense plover
i wouldnt be surprised if he dies in front of saurfang
tranquil steeple
zealous basalt
And point another to Vris
tropic trail
I can't betray my elven brethren
zealous basalt
Fine
zealous basalt
pulls out a gun too and another to Selatharia
meager warren
Shoots Crystal
zealous basalt
NANI
tropic trail
kek
meager warren
kek
hollow dock
You burned down the tree?!
zealous basalt
masochist
tropic trail
Shhhh
tropic trail
I WAS COLD
tranquil steeple
meager warren
SYLVANAS burned down the tree
hollow dock
no it was lilo
zealous basalt
oof
meager warren
tfw
dense plover
most of that set is in
just not the cloak
its in the files
they werent satisfied with it
it might show up again at some point
outer maple
ya know... anduin in the BFA cinematic looks like a young leo dicarprio
zealous basalt
But, do you think they will add that over the shoulder mechanic?
steel venture
zekhan is still alive, supposedly
you see him on the island expedition loading screen so i believe he was intended for one of the expedition teams
the troll everyone thought was him getting struck down vs his actual appearance
the one that dies is just a warrior
uncut vault
he was on the seething shore loading screen, and was removed
tropic trail
"just a warrior"
zealous basalt
boi
tropic trail
come on man
tropic trail
^
tropic trail
like nile said. probably an expedition team npc
steel venture
honestly i'd try keeping an eye out for "zekhan" as a name in the remaining beta builds
dense plover
thats dev for - we have more important things to do right now, but we will add a model of that npc for hunters to tame eventually as a secret
zealous basalt
Still counts
zealous basalt
we do know zappyboi's name tho
dense plover
no
zealous basalt
yes
dense plover
we know his father's name
tranquil steeple
it was confirmed as Zekhan
zealous basalt
like in the morning today
tranquil steeple
I remember seeing someone post a twitter link about it earlier
WAY earlier but.. yeah
zealous basalt
Twitter
zealous basalt
That's his name tho
dense plover
currently he is only listed as post-production for bfa on imdb, so its possible that he has only done VO for cinematics currently
he hasnt done a lot tbh
bit of a nobody when it comes to voice acting
zealous basalt
You wanted name, there you have name
tranquil steeple
Well, it's still got the name for our Zappyboi
https://twitter.com/deadlybossmods/status/1025505805456551936
I so wanna use this.
Actually, I will go update DBM for Pre-patch/BfA JUST for that.
tranquil steeple
Latest update was July 22... cri
meager warren
what's that one character's name that showed up in forsaken starter area, who viewed herself as a monster because she was undead and was formerly of, i think, the Scarlet Crusade?
zealous basalt
Lilian Voss
meager warren
thanks
dense plover
she shows up in bfa
she's accepted her undead-ness, because the alliance wouldn't accept her
meager warren
they never accepted her
she never joined the horde though
and it seems stupid that now of all times, she does
dense plover
its explained pretty well
she had to choose a side, and the alliance said no
so she chose the horde
on the horde, no one will question her just because she is undead
youll see
she has dialogue
you can click on her and she it explains it
hollow dock
wait when did she say she tried to go alliance?
zealous basalt
something something
dense plover
i thought she talked about how the alliance had rejected her a long time ago, how they saw her as a monster
because of who she was on the outside
hollow dock
I know that was what she witnessed from her scarlet family
dense plover
pretty sure the dialogue is something along those lines
meager warren
why did she have to choose a side?
meager warren
peach
tulip sun
There are plenty of reasons to choose a side.
dense plover
these two were released outside of the initial tiragarde one which came with the zone overview news thing
hollow dock
an opinion that doesnt agree with yours and thus is objectively wrong obviously
dense plover
in your opinion
meager warren
why not in yours?
uncut vault
some of the details are odd, but it is correct IMO
blizz wrote the story
they just didnt show it properly
night swift
^
zealous basalt
what be dis
meager warren
someone trying to justify or excuse Sylvanas' recent actions because apparently while they know what she's done, they barely know who she is as a character
up there ^
zealous basalt
This be correct
meager warren
just so you know, i was not referencing myself
uncut vault
bro just cause you disagree doesnt mean its 'objectively wrong'
meager warren
imo, they're wrong because Sylvanas has been cold, near emotionless and rational in her evil in the past
uncut vault
thats the opposite of objectivity
meager warren
just 'cause you're a horde radical doesn't mean it's right
meager warren
it's saying it's brilliant writing but piss-poor execution
while you can't have one without the other
it's either or
uncut vault
the post literally says she is evil
dense plover
^
meager warren
smh
dense plover
the novellas do have good writing
its just that most of it isnt in the game
so it comes across as shit writing when its really just shit execution
meager warren
so in other words, blizzard's teams don't interact, like at all?
or they do but they're stupid about it
that they let this happen
dense plover
more like its really hard to fit all of that into the game without feeling like a small movie or reducing the quality
what shouldve happened is the warbringer sylvanas thing shouldve played in game
you do a turn in
meager warren
it's really worth it to fit all of that into the game though when the writing in the books is better
dense plover
you see the saurfang cinematic
zealous basalt
I like what this Poster put in her
uncut vault
I feel like they could have fixed a bit if they gave saurfang some lines in the final quest
zealous basalt
here*
uncut vault
sylvanas already says that the alliance will come for them
why not have saurfang say it instead?
uncut vault
there were a lot of random things in the quests that didnt make sense, felt like the person making them didnt see the warbringers short
zealous basalt
Ion pls
uncut vault
like all the stuff in quest text with saurfang and "this was all too easy"
meager warren
sylvanas said the alliance will come for them, in the book, eventually and that's basically her reasoning for being a pos
that, and immortality
zealous basalt
I loved the expresion of the OP regards Varian's words
"If your Horde fails to uphold honor as Garrosh did... We will end you."
tulip sun
Hm...
hollow dock
HUman =/= alliance
zealous basalt
Even if Anduin would be pissed because of that he couldn't just be like
hollow dock
Anduin even notes that in Before the Storm
zealous basalt
Attacking just because she killed her
hollow dock
why do people keep disregarding that book
zealous basalt
But Gilneas and Soutshore
That's correct
"she convinced the Horde under the pretense of Orgrimmar's security"
oof
hollow dock
That's literally her reasoning
on the hordes side
"We gotta do them in before they do us in."
meager warren
Maybe they wouldn't have tried but after Teldrassil, they're gonna.
zealous basalt
"When she gave the order to burn the tree down, and it was followed, the Horde has now entered the same boat as Sylvanas."
This man
hollow dock
I mean.
real life examples show that's kinda human mentality
agree with it or not
If you follow the order to commit a war crime
meager warren
That's not my mentality
hollow dock
you're just as guilty as the one who issued
meager warren
Tf are you on
zealous basalt
That's the oath of the Horde
hollow dock
Thus the horde is just as much at fault as their warchief is
Geneva trials. look em up
zealous basalt
". In one move, Sylvanas intertwined the Horde's fate with her own. If she dies, they go down with her. The blood is on their hands now as well, and negotiations are over. Sylvanas has now placed the Horde under the thumb of it's most famous war cry: Victory or death."
hollow dock
Again as logic dictates: No alliance will want to try and make peace with the horde
She went to far
Even anduin
the man who still had hope
in the book
tulip sun
That kinda makes sense tbh
meager warren
"at this point, there's no honor in the horde. Just blood.
hollow dock
that she could make peace
tulip sun
She forced everyone's hand
tulip sun
Fight or die now
hollow dock
said
zealous basalt
This man
hollow dock
"She can't be bartered with"
zealous basalt
Has spoken with truth
hollow dock
"She needs to die."
hollow dock
As long as Sylvanas sits on that throne
there can't be any peace
Which is the alliance goal goinginto Lordaeron
remove Sylvanas
tulip sun
Not even that; as stated above
zealous basalt
check dis vris
zealous basalt
The Horde can no longer rebel as an option. Garrosh's reign was the Alliance's final straw with the Horde's poor choice in leadership. It was said by Varian himself, "If your Horde fails to uphold honor as Garrosh did... We will end you."
tulip sun
". In one move, Sylvanas intertwined the Horde's fate with her own. If she dies, they go down with her. The blood is on their hands now as well, and negotiations are over. Sylvanas has now placed the Horde under the thumb of it's most famous war cry: Victory or death."
hollow dock
Genn included
DO NOT
want to murder the horde
They want Sylvanas gone
It's Sylvanas that's the issue
they understand that
meager warren
According to that idiot, the alliance wants to kill the horde and sylva
tulip sun
I dont think that encompasses everyone
hollow dock
It doesn't.
tulip sun
A lot do want to kill the horde.
meager warren
Because "". In one move, Sylvanas intertwined the Horde's fate with her own. If she dies, they go down with her. The blood is on their hands now as well, and negotiations are over. Sylvanas has now placed the Horde under the thumb of it's most famous war cry: Victory or death.""
hollow dock
But diploamcy is left to the leaders
hollow dock
those four would want peace still without Sylvanas
zealous basalt
Vris
hollow dock
They don't
tulip sun
The dwarves
zealous basalt
Here be the full article
hollow dock
did you not do the uh
tulip sun
Jaina
zealous basalt
hollow dock
Yes I read it Mak
tropic trail
Quick question
tropic trail
Could they restore Lordaeron?
zealous basalt
also quick answer
hollow dock
if you do the alliance Lordaeron
zealous basalt
we don't kno
meager warren
Read the comments tho
hollow dock
the alliance part of the siege
noone is chanting to bring down the horde
just Sylvanas
Solely
Sylvanas
the soldiers get their licks in to the horde personallybut the goal is clear
Removal of Sylvanas as Warchief
tropic trail
If they wanted to bring down the horde, they could've invaded Orgrimmar (again)
tulip sun
I know genn and anduin's goal
hollow dock
that's the only goals tha tmatter
tulip sun
But there are a lot who likely dont like that.
meager warren
Until they make Genn go Anti-Sylvanas/ Anti-Horde again
hollow dock
Doesn't matter
This gamena dlore
don't care for the soldier
they care for the leaders
you should understand this by now
zealous basalt
Genn is Anti-Sylvanas tho
tulip sun
Uhh, there are yet plenty of leaders e.e
tulip sun
No, not nearly
hollow dock
yes I have
tropic trail
I'm lost
dense plover
@uncut vault want to check this with you, Does this seem about right for approximate story order?
Alliance - Tiragarde, Stormsong, Drustvar
Horde - Zuldazar, Voldun, Nazmir
War Campaign
Alliance - Voldun, Nazmir, Zuldazar
Horde - Tiragarde, Drustvar, Stormsong
hollow dock
Anduin, genn, Mekkatoruqe, Velen, and Tyrande. Those are the ones that are focused up. Within the siege itself
and thus
the goals of the siege
Anduin and Genn
someMekkatorque for support
which means
1 goal
tulip sun
Jaina, the dwarves, Turalyon/Fareeya, etc, all are more hate driven then them. I am not solely focused on the siege.
tulip sun
The fact is there are others who do not show remorse
Vris, i am listening. I understand
But i am speaking of others and outside the siege
tropic trail
Sylvanas doesn't show remorse, so why should they towards Sylvanas?
tulip sun
Exactly, and i expect some not to
zealous basalt
Because that would Make alliance the same of her
meager warren
At this point, nothing the alliance does can make them like her
tulip sun
I am though
tulip sun
Dont tell me what i am talking about, lol
tropic trail
Looks up
zealous basalt
boi its always the same with you two, Vris and Khamnin
tulip sun
I understand the siege
uncut vault
The order I had Peach was like this, cause you cant separate the war campaign from the zones
tulip sun
But my point is out of that one battle, sylvanas is not the goal for everyone
uncut vault
they happen in tandem
uncut vault
Nazmir > Alliance Nazmir foothold > Alliance Vol'dun foothold >Vol'dun > Alliance Zuldazar foothold > Zuldazar
Tiragarde Sound > Horde Tiragarde foothold > Stormsong Valley > Horde Stormsong foothold > Horde Drustvar foothold > Drustvar
meager warren
So many convos at once o.o
hollow dock
I say "Hey the siege is clearly shown to be just about Sylvanas"
Kham just has to try and prove me wrong by sayig other places don't have that goal
meager warren
What
zealous basalt
DESTROY ANYTHING
tropic trail
I do see the point that Kham is trying to make, but it doesn't add in entirely to the inner battle
uncut vault
Zandalar is definitely a lot more fluid in its order than Kul Tiras
The main important thing is Alliance gets to Vol'dun before Horde does
zealous basalt
clearly 🅱 ias
tropic trail
Snitties?
meager warren
SNITTIES
tropic trail
I need me some voluptuous snitties
meager warren
PLZ BLIZZ
meager warren
Why
zealous basalt
replaces water for
tropic trail
W e t
dense plover
so wait
dense plover
why does alliance get to zuldazar first?
meager warren
OH YES DADDY
tropic trail
How much acid are you dropping?
dense plover
i thought they got there after
because part of setting up that outpost is dealing with undead and zandalari
then going to the dark iron area
uncut vault
they get to their shipwreck first and rescue their soldiers, notably Kelsey
tropic trail
Zandalari forsaken
meager warren
Zandalari Forsaken?
New allied race when
meager warren
^
meager warren
Forsaken of every race
uncut vault
You can swap the zones themselves around, but in terms of Horde stuff and Alliance stuff, the concrete ones are Alliance gets to Voldun before Horde, and gets to Nazmir after Horde, and are doing Zuldazar part 1 at the same time as Horde, but part 2 before Horde
tropic trail
Even Tuskarr
meager warren
ForsakenCraft
tropic trail
Forsaken Tuskarr
meager warren
Forsaken Gilblins
tropic trail
Forsaken Whale Sharks
meager warren
Forsaken spiders
tropic trail
Forsaken World Trees
zealous basalt
enough
meager warren
FORSAKEN WORLDS
uncut vault
Then with Kul Tiras, Drustvar could go at the beginning or end, but Tiragarde Sound > Horde Tiragarde foothold > Stormsong Valley > Horde Stormsong foothold is very concretely the order
tropic trail
FORSAKEN TITANS
meager warren
You beat me 
tropic trail
Or did I?
dense plover
well horde has to get there after alliance for drustvar
dense plover
because alliance clears the initial landing point we use
meager warren
Sup
dense plover
stormsong, horde gets there, then alliance, then horde again with the player this time
uncut vault
Anyport? Its already cleared when Alliance gets the quests there
tropic trail
Forsaken Void Lords
meager warren
dense plover
they added a questline
you clear it and let the goblins and tortollans retake control
so thats its anyport and not pirate port
tropic trail
Airport?
uncut vault
Main reason I assumed it was before was because Alliance finds the Horde already at the big azerite seam when they get there, + you, gallywix and eitrigg clear out some of the witches in the forest before the alliance player does all the quests down in Falconhurst
dense plover
i mean, i think horde arrives while alliance is dealing with the manor
uncut vault
Could be a similar case to Zuldazar, part of the Alliance one happens first, then Horde, then other part of Alliance
uncut vault
since falconhurst is a side story
but in terms of the actual story stuff for the other two KT zones, it's Tiragarde A, for young Lord Stormsong leading into Stormsong, and establishing pirate stuff, then Tiragarde H, for the groups breaking off from Ashvane, then Rexxar builds his base in Stormsing, then Stormsong A, with the town being attacked and the player attacking the Horde base, then Stormsong H, with the player saving the base
grizzled sleet
They are both green
dense plover
theyre both in it for themselves
and a large chunk of goblins are neutral
only 1 cartel joined the horde
tulip sun
Oh, was in my mind assuming horde alignes
Aligned*
Steamwheedle and Bikgewater both are heavily horde. Steamwheedle less openly
tulip sun
So the goblins you speak of are neutral then...in owning a kul tiran port?
uncut vault
its not a kul tiran port, just a makeshift port in kul tiras
tulip sun
What zone
dense plover
drustvar
its called anyport
its where the horde lands with gallywix
its right near the forest in drustvar filled with the mushroom people
tropic trail
I love mushrooms
regal bough
Hello. I took the liberty of making the best possible translation of the article that @serene marsh and @sage granite published in site about their analysis of the previous events to #BattleforAzeroth, for the community in Spanish that does not know English. My respects, a nice job!
https://twitter.com/Ragnarok_1983/status/1025493886544867328
Greetings from Mexico! 😄
meager warren
🤔 orly
meager warren
you're pulling my leg 😘
zealous basalt
?
dense plover
whats the problem?
you mean the similar numbers to 90-100 mobs?
thats kind of a known issue that theyve decided to put on the backburner because its not gamebreaking
zealous basalt
They die too quickly
terse patrol
Sounds ok to me
dense plover
remember, they made everything easier as a bandage fix because they need to find the root cause of the issue
tweaking of old world content (including legion) definitely isnt finished
manic storm
is there any way for someone coming back to wow from a 2 year hiatus to test bfa on ptr? I have no 110s, but i also don't see any option to copy my current characters
dense plover
i think ptr is kind of unused right now
and best idea is to wait for bfa to come out
night swift
thats ptr for ya
dense plover
then make a trial
night swift
Kinda buggy and about to be irrelevant
dense plover
that will let you try out a 110 character for a few hours i think
2 if i remember correctly
dense plover
itll be 110 with bfa
since bfa isnt out
the new boost experience isnt either
the content exists, but its disabled since it requires bfa
@manic storm what exactly are you looking for to see if you want to return?
tropic trail
Everything..
grizzled sleet
Is it confirmed that you don't get +15 item level Neck at Exalted ?
Wowhead just wrote "Item level upgrades to the Heart of Azeroth at Friendly, Honored and Revered reputations (+15 item level for each reputation level)"
tropic trail
Anyone notice how the horde had no druids at all?
uncut vault
what do you mean?
in war of the thorns?
Thats likely due to them being down with magni
dense plover
I mean, druids wouldn’t approve of her actions. There is no point in having them come with her, if they would be of more use in silithus
calm plank
Is it normal for rapid fire to keep firing even when there's no ennemies left?
ruby star
tiny cypress
@calm plank , Yes. But, if it is hitting another target, that is not normal and shouldn't be the case.
tropic trail
The Horde get to sneak into Stormwind, break some trolls out of the Stockades, kill a fuckton of Alliance soldiers, and then SET STORMWIND ON FIRE.
The Alliance get arrested in Kul Tiras and go looking for Jaina.
Which do you think is a bettter introduction?
zealous basalt
Alliance of course
tropic trail
lol
zealous basalt
Kul tiras is prettier than Zandalar
tropic trail
The Horde BFA introduction quests are so much better than Alliance.
I played the beta as both factions.
I know.
night swift
The horde scenario is also about you losing saurfang cause he is pissed at sylvanas and helps the alliance
zealous basalt
He just stays there but Horde lost one of the most important people
That's enough to weigh them down
More than it ks
Is
Like dude
Do you know why "bias"?
tropic trail
Yes, Saurfang decided to go through a mid-life crisis.
tropic trail
Dude...
zealous basalt
I prefer a good story for Horde, and I'm an alliance player
limber mural
pretty much every alliance leader is morally correct now
calm plank
Alliance as like 0 infighting so obviously that's alliance bias
zealous basalt
Heck I'm surprised that you didnt come with
tropic trail
The Horde get to break into the capital fucking city of the Alliance, break people out of the Stockades, kill a fuckton of Alliance soldiers, AND SET THE FUCKING CITY ON FIRE
zealous basalt
"REEE ALLIANCE ARE GOOD WE ARE BAD"
They didnt
Set the city
Just a part of it
Which gets extinguished quickly too
calm plank
why
zealous basalt
But they arent villains?
calm plank
because they can't control fire?
zealous basalt
And they are incompetant either
zealous basalt
They are literally
tropic trail
in BFA.
zealous basalt
Recovering from both things
Horde happens first than Alliance
In terms of introduction
tropic trail
I know.
zealous basalt
But the introduction of Alliance is pretty good too
tropic trail
and after the Horde breaks into the capital fucking city of the Alliance, break people out of the Stockades, kill a fuckton of Alliance soldiers, and set part of the city on fire...
What does the Alliance character do?
zealous basalt
You are introduced to a broken society. in comparison of Zuldazar
tropic trail
Go to Kul Tiras with Jaina and get arrested.
That's it.
You don't even get to fight any Horde.
zealous basalt
...Dude...again
calm plank
wtf do you want them to do
zealous basalt
You are lacking grey matter
night swift
Not everything has to be a fucking faction war
tropic trail
exactly!
tropic trail
The horde gets to kick the Alliance while they're down in 8.0.1
The Horde gets the upper hand at the start of the expansion.
So explain to me
EXPLAIN TO ME
calm plank
with political infighting
calm plank
internal conflict between leaders
tropic trail
what conflict?
night swift
Saurfang
calm plank
I dunno
zealous basalt
Zuldazar
tropic trail
He just got arrested.
calm plank
the fact that Saurfant fucking left the horde
tropic trail
Yes, that's not infighting.
night swift
Lorthemar
tropic trail
Infighting would be if Saurfang actually attacked Sylvannas and started a rebellion.
When did that happen?
calm plank
fucking hell
zealous basalt
You think with the muscles, dont you?
night swift
My god
calm plank
so during MoP there was no internal conflict before SoO?
tropic trail
Go ahead, show me a scene in the game, or a part of a book, where the Horde infights?
Yes, MOP
not BFA.
MOP actually made sense.
a Horde leader went batshit crazy, and the Horde rebelled against him.
night swift
When saurfang surrenders to the alliance, then tells you he’s not coming back when we try to rescue him
night swift
Cause sylvanas
tropic trail
no shit.
night swift
Theres your infighting
zealous basalt
Not everything has to be a fight
Jhock imagine if the creme of la creme of the beta channel was here
night swift
Who?
night swift
Oh yeah
strange falcon
yay i'm officially cancer!
calm plank
congratulations
zealous basalt
Oof
night swift
Oof
tropic trail
Leaving a group isn't infighting.
That's just leaving a group.
infighting is when people in a group turn against each other.
Such as what happened in 5.3 and 5.4
tropic trail
Really? that's your counterargument?
tropic trail
lol
zealous basalt
Its always the same with your kin
The think that some love to one faction is bias
tropic trail
and hate to the other.
zealous basalt
A faction that needs story if you let me say
tropic trail
yes, it is.
zealous basalt
Some losses are necessary to create a storyline
We like it or noth
Not
Like the goat said
Or yak
tropic trail
Yeah, arguing with you is a waste of time.
You're a horde main, you never played Alliance.
tropic trail
Go ahead, make an Alliance and a Horde character on the beta.
do the questlines on both of them.
And try to tell me, with a straight face
that the Horde quests aren't better than Alliance.
zealous basalt
I did already
tropic trail
Sure....
calm plank
Well I did and so far I enjoyed the alliance quests far more than the horde quest
tropic trail
So, you think going to Kul Tiras and getting arrested by the kingdom you're trying to befriend.
Is just as interesting and fun as attacking Stormwind, breaking people out of the stockades, killing several Alliance soldiers and setting a part of it on fire?
calm plank
well I liked the idea of breaking out of a prison
zealous basalt
Ignoring Flynn
strange falcon
inb4 "horde bias" comments again
tropic trail
Yeah, it's funny.
It makes no sense how Horde got to invade the Alliance and burn down a capital.
But Alliance players were pretty "meh" about it.
Horde players, however, got PISSED.
Did you see /r/wow when Warbringers: Sylvanas came out?
It was all Horde players that were whining.
not Alliance players.
calm plank
well yes because we already knew that the tree was going to burn
what we didn't knew was who burned it
so everyone was pretty pissed at what looks like lazy storywriting
anyway Ima afk
tropic trail
And why are you pissed about the Warchief of your own faction doing it?
Seriously, what did you expect?
calm plank
(and I like both factions btw)
tropic trail
It was clearly obvious in the promo art when BFA was announced.
Who did you think did it?
Horde players got mad because they expected a plot twist for some reason.
strange falcon
also 90% of those people are super uninformed
tropic trail
Not everything has to be a plot twist lol
strange falcon
like,dude,sylvanas has been super evil from before vanilla even
tropic trail
yeah
dry kestrel
Actually not many people notice that there is quest from saurfang to save citizens from teldrassil before burning
dry kestrel
Oh sorry for that got that info from friend ill be playing prepatch myself when i come back home
rare spear
has anyone found the source of http://bfa.wowhead.com/item=159224/zuldazar-hearthstone on beta?
rare spear
Since when is the warchief so reckless, merciless and evil that she sacrifices her own kind to get an advantage over the alliance when defending UC?
Is that azerite corruption?
tropic trail
Sylvanas has always been evil.
rare spear
Don't remember being it that bad
strange falcon
just because she wasnt in the spotlight doesnt mean she wasnt that bad before
rare spear
wonder why people claim the horde are the personification of "good" 😉
heavy cairn
@dry kestrel @tropic trail afaik the quest involving saurfang involves capturing but releasing unharmed citizens from the burning dark shore villages, not teldrassil
strange falcon
alliance is the "peace hippy" faction
heavy cairn
I don't actually know though.
strange falcon
where nothing interesting
heavy cairn
Not home yet.
night swift
Oh theres somehing I’ve been wondering. Do classes that have abilities that warp them to their order halls have a new place to warp to? Or are they still sent to the order hall
dense plover
Still order halls
Which at least for druids and dks is nice
And monk
They can teleport back from their oh using the ability again
And druids have that massive teleport network
night swift
Cool so Dalaran hearth can go in my bank then on those classes lol
dense plover
Yes
night swift
Will we be getting hearths for the new cities or nah
I remember seeing someone link a zuldazar hearth here earlier
zealous basalt
dense plover
No
Those hearths weren’t implemented
You’ll set your hearth in your capital or near a flight path that’s relevant while questing. It’s what makes the flight whistle near flight master upgrade so good
Since that can return you directly to your capital
night swift
Gotcha
sharp bluff
well the Dalaran hearth is nice for the teleport network to all the vanilla/Belf/Space goat capital cities
dense plover
It’s useful if you don’t have an orderhall tele
terse patrol
Crossing my fingers we'll get a Night Elf cinematic.
zealous basalt
dabs in monk
dense plover
But if you do, your OH has a portal to dal
terse patrol
I mean, we got Saurfangs reaction. It'd be nice if we got. . . something with Tyrande and Malfurion.
dense plover
Don’t expect to see a night elf cinematic
Their story is kind of irrelevant post launch currently
sharp bluff
I guess it depends on if they move the Floating Death Pyramid or not
terse patrol
I'm used to Blizzard leaning heavily towards the Horde side, so I'm not expecting it.
dense plover
Night elf story will probably tie in with szshara stuff
Since she used to be their queen
terse patrol
I suspect one of the two will die to Azshara.
dense plover
I dont
That’s shitty writing
Killing off characters is what you do when you can’t resolve their story
terse patrol
Well
dense plover
Voljin is a good example of this
terse patrol
Blizzard has kinda been letting Tyrande and Malfurion fade further and further into ineptitude and obscurity.
dense plover
Lol
zealous basalt
wat bout varina
dense plover
They had an entire zone and raid last expac man
zealous basalt
varian*
terse patrol
Half of the player base wants Malfurion dead.
dense plover
Nah
terse patrol
Because of that one questline in Valsharah
dense plover
They just like to meme
terse patrol
Because Blizzard bungled it so bad.
zealous basalt
That was Xavius trolling us