beta-ptr-spoilers

[terse patrol]

The quest writing team don't know how to. . . write, seems.

[uncut vault]

Quests were just

Completely disconnected from the cinematic

These books + the cinematic seem to go together very well

[zealous basalt]

So basically

I give these quest writers

2/10

You dont know what are you doing

[summer cobalt]

Ion, fire them and hire new ones

[zealous basalt]

And made the prepatch bad

[summer cobalt]

preferably ones that read the books

[tranquil steeple]

or atleast include a more complete reason for things happening in game

[grizzled sleet]

Seems like the quests were planned before the books were written or completed

[zealous basalt]

Ye

[uncut vault]

Wish questifer did the prepatch

Quality of suramar would have made this amazing

[grizzled sleet]

I think they didn't put much efforts into it because it's just a time limited event

[zealous basalt]

Still

Its not just a time event

[tranquil steeple]

It's a time event for the mounts, honestly. The story/lore will come up in the form of a video eventually.

[summer cobalt]

At least the quest makers were clever with that one alliance quest

[delicate dew]

The story told in game does not match what is told elsewhere

Well it's far from complete and intentionally does not mention things, it makes you assume a lot what is simply poor writing.

It's okay to keep the other faction in the dark but your own faction when telling a story about your own faction that's just wierd.

[hollow dock]

as I read that

I dont see fear in her words

she's smiling

She wants all these events to happen

she wants war

who would have guessed

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tulip sun]

Not a pleasant smile

It is clearly stated

Vris, you are so hard to discuss with. No matter what evidence is shown.

[tropic trail]

Well, when we compare the novella with the ingame depiction, it's quite clear, that the people who "translated" the story into ingame-version didn't do a very good job

[delicate dew]

He's biased, so when he goes into that type of "debating"

ignore and move on

[zealous basalt]

I'm giving this the benefit of words

[delicate dew]

In any case it's simply bad writing, there's plenty of ways they could make this pull

[zealous basalt]

They choose to make the quests just bad

[delicate dew]

Just evil without motive is cartoon level evil and that might be fun for a certain type of audience but nto for me

[hollow dock]

Theres no evidence

either or

on the smile

her eyes glistened

at the thought of anduin launching a war

That terminology to me says she's anticpating and ling it

liking it

not that she's afraid of it

[summer cobalt]

What smile?

[hollow dock]

IN which case, this is without the information of Genn being sort of changed

[zealous basalt]

Ye

[hollow dock]

since Arathi

[zealous basalt]

What smile

What I saw there

[hollow dock]

It's really not that different to her in Before the Storm

slightly off from the use of wording to us grunts

[zealous basalt]

Was a warchief that was aware of the hate between both factions

[hollow dock]

but otherwise, it's the same sylvans through and through

[zealous basalt]

From her point of view

[hollow dock]

She's anticipating a war that the alliance will never make the first move towards

So she makes that firstmove for them

All of this is the same Sylvanas planning from BTS

[zealous basalt]

But now is explained why capture Malfurion and kill Teldrassi

...Capture Teldrassil and Kill Malfurion

Tho

Just mentioning how Genn acted before

Made that grey

[delicate dew]

If you want to understand both perspectives correctly and not this simplistic black and white world view

Nobbels explains it rather well

[tulip sun]

They have great reasons to suspect they might.

One point being Genn

[zealous basalt]

Because she doesnt know that he had his view about the forsaken changed

[delicate dew]

It goes over the whole "evil vs good" and explains it from alliance and horde side, dismissing any notion that either side is inherently good or evil

What is a good thing, since nobody would want such a simplistic view of the factions

[zealous basalt]

Turning this

Into guess what

You all know those words

[delicate dew]

Nope i don't

[zealous basalt]

You do

Two words

The first one starts with M

And the other with G

[tulip sun]

Arxonis, I will read their explanations later.

I have to go to work.

I just wanted to share and discuss that one part quickly

[hollow dock]

I mean

Her actions are evil

She is an evil person

Horde isnt

Unless they follow and support it

[summer cobalt]

In fact a lot of Horde players are like #notmywarchief

[delicate dew]

mimimimimim

[zealous basalt]

Players

=/ Canon

[summer cobalt]

I know, but still

[tulip sun]

The novellas make it a lot better

[hollow dock]

We dont really have a problem with the fact that theres evil afoot. Its more so the complacency of everyone around said evil

[delicate dew]

You take this far too serious.

[zealous basalt]

No vris

We meant this not to say

"W8, she isnt evil"

She is

But the novellas make this more enjoyable

More than the low quality prepatch quests we had

[hollow dock]

We're passionate. Guilty as charged

[terse patrol]

mfw Baine figures out he got shuffled to silithus to prevent him from acting against Sylvanas’ plan

Still doesnt leave the Horde

nobody in the horde has the balls to stand against sylvanas

[mint arch]

she's not evil, she wasnt to blame for the fire

it was that DAMN dying elf that made sylvanas do it

^ legit argument im seeing from fanbois

[delicate dew]

reducing people who disagree with you to fanbois means you have no argument

[mint arch]

lol

[delicate dew]

It's evil in the same manner Jaina was evil, it's all about perspective hence the whole reason behind it being in the books for some odd reason.

[mint arch]

LOL

hey i just burned down this world tree, committed genocide against the night elves, destroyed another forest on the way, killed some ancients, fulborgs, wisps, innocent civilians, annnnd so on

but nah, its all "perspective"

oh, jaina is evil (what has she done btw?)

[summer cobalt]

genocided a bunch of horde in dalaran

demanded Varian to "dismantle" the Horde after the Siege of Orgrimmar

[mint arch]

dalaran wasnt a genocide, wtf u on about

xD

[terse patrol]

They retconned Jaina killing all those people in Dalaran anyways

[mint arch]

^

[zealous basalt]

Oof

[summer cobalt]

They did?

[terse patrol]

Ye

[summer cobalt]

when?

[terse patrol]

She imprisoned them

[delicate dew]

From the perspective of the undead this war with all its actions is a necessity a matter of life or dead.

[mint arch]

undead? u mean sylvanas and her paranoia

*extreme paranoia

[delicate dew]

No undead as in the entire race facing extinction.

[mint arch]

funny how some undead were looking to just reunite with their families and walk way from sylvanas/horde life

extinction xD

[summer cobalt]

That is a legit problem they face

[mint arch]

undead is not a race, its a state of being

its a curse

one that they seek to cure

[delicate dew]

You are aware only fools, laugh when faced with their ignorance

[mint arch]

but sylvanas, being evil, wants to spread the curse

[hollow dock]

Jaina wasnt evil

In anything she did

[delicate dew]

If you aren't aware of certain developments that's really on you, coming across as you do and even insulting others might work at some places.

[mint arch]

apart from the rare few who want to be undead for w.e reason

dude, wtf u on about? xD

insulting?

wat

[zealous basalt]

I want to be undead

Because I could pull my limbs

I wanted to rp as Frankenstein

[delicate dew]

voidoxToday at 5:06 PM
she's not evil, she wasnt to blame for the fire
it was that DAMN dying elf that made sylvanas do it
^ legit argument im seeing from fanbois

[hollow dock]

She wasnt right in what she did,but she wasnt evil. She didnt slaughter blood elves,she didnt even order them to be executed.

[mint arch]

thats an insult?

hoooooleeeeeee

XD

[delicate dew]

Is fanboi a compliment?

[mint arch]

lawl

[hollow dock]

Its a description

[mint arch]

^

[zealous basalt]

...

[mint arch]

omg, im dying here

[zealous basalt]

If you are hurt because of that

Its because you are a fanboy

[mint arch]

this guy got triggered by the word "fanboi"

[delicate dew]

Not hurt but i can also start reducing people to certain terms

[zealous basalt]

If the coat suits you

[hollow dock]

Imo, I think it is you who takes this a bit to seriously Arx

[mint arch]

^

pack it up ppl, fanboi is now a trigger word

[delicate dew]

Fanboi is no different than idiot or moron

[mint arch]

ur point being?

[hollow dock]

They are being idiots tho

[delicate dew]

Thanks for agreeing i suppose

[hollow dock]

So wheres the issue

[zealous basalt]

...

So

[summer cobalt]

Saying idiot can reduce your argument to salt

[zealous basalt]

Fanboi means idiot?

[mint arch]

idiot, moron, dumb, stupid, fanoy, diehard, w/e are all just words to describe someone

[zealous basalt]

Well

i consider me a fanboy of nintendo

im idiot people

[delicate dew]

When your balls have yet to drop than yes those are words used to describe someone i suppose

[mint arch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

lawl

[zealous basalt]

This m8 got really triggered

[summer cobalt]

In fact, giving anyone a label to insinuate being lower than you can reduce your argument to salt

[mint arch]

oh man, this is a new trigger level

[zealous basalt]

I didn't want to cause this tbh

I was kinda happy that we got better arguments in the book

[mint arch]

imma save this convo, it'll be fun to share

[zealous basalt]

And sad because this means that the prepatch was trash at all

[hollow dock]

Saying someone is being an idiot is different to saying theyre an idiot.

[delicate dew]

Not really seeing you are alright with insulting others, don't mind me returning the favor 😃

[zealous basalt]

wtf is that vris

[summer cobalt]

You gave the word fanboi a negative connotation

You made it an insult

[mint arch]

LOL, arxnois is on the new level of triggered, getting triggered by these words

[delicate dew]

Seems i was correct 😃

[hollow dock]

Yiu can be thick skulled without actually being thick skulled Mak.

[mint arch]

i dont think ive ever met someone who got triggered by idiot, fanboi, stupid, so on

man, what a world

[hollow dock]

Which is the same as 'you can be called an idiot without actually being one'

[mint arch]

snowflakes central~

[zealous basalt]

Nono

Not that

The thing you are wearing

[hollow dock]

Oh

My hats

[zealous basalt]

...

[hollow dock]

=3

2 bow 2 hats

[delicate dew]

You are aware that you're the person who keeps going on about it, guess it's not me whos triggered 😃

[hollow dock]

Theyre cute.

[mint arch]

lol, u going to get triggered by me laughing at u now? xD

ecks deeeeeeee

[hollow dock]

Tbh void, yea its you whos been triggered by him being triggered

[mint arch]

im in disbelief the he legit got triggered by fanboi

[hollow dock]

Its kinda getting annoying now since you both wanted to drop it

[mint arch]

its a first

[hollow dock]

Ht then you keep gli g

Going*

But*

[summer cobalt]

The only person that's pushing this onward is you, voidox

[zealous basalt]

ye void

go to sleep

[mint arch]

lawl, no rule that says i cant or shouldn't

if u wanna get annoyed by me, ignore me

[hollow dock]

If you want to be taken as a mature adult

[mint arch]

like wut

[hollow dock]

Then yea

Kinda does

[summer cobalt]

You're right, but it's hella cringe

A mature adult

A thing you'll never be at this rate

[mint arch]

and now u guys are making this longer

[summer cobalt]

Your choice

[hollow dock]

You remind me of all the right wing nuts that just troll and bash lefties who have legitimate concerns.

[zealous basalt]

Can we appreciate

How this Prepatch

[mint arch]

lol, wut

[hollow dock]

That I have 3 hats?

[zealous basalt]

Will be the first prepatch to offer the worst writting in quests?

[hollow dock]

/shrug

[zealous basalt]

I mean, the extra content is good but

[hollow dock]

I dont think its bad writing. Just inconsistent.

[summer cobalt]

What was cata's prepatch?

[zealous basalt]

Mak'gora

[hollow dock]

Twilights hammer invasion

Scourge invasion was WotLKs

Pandaren was pandarias

Legion was BCs

[summer cobalt]

No, pandaria was Theramore

[zealous basalt]

Iron Horde was WoD

[hollow dock]

And then Legion was Legion.

[zealous basalt]

oof

[hollow dock]

And yea blasted lands was iron horde

[zealous basalt]

But yeah

I thought this patch was good

Until I set my eyes on the Elegy and A Good War books

[heavy cairn]

Wod prepatch had level 90 ubrs too

[zealous basalt]

now I want to read it

[hollow dock]

I still think it is.

/shrug

[zealous basalt]

But I don't have collector editions

[hollow dock]

Wowhead has it mak

Newest post

[zealous basalt]

But full books

[hollow dock]

Go rip a pdf of it off the internet the

[zealous basalt]

is it ilegal?

[delicate dew]

listen in to the nobbel video if you can stand his voice

[zealous basalt]

I don't like reading in videos

[hollow dock]

Youre not going to get jailed for it

[zealous basalt]

...I was an hypocrite there

I donwload lots of stuff from Internet

but eh

No laws against that in Mexico so

[delicate dew]

he explains the entire story in his video, linking the prepatch content to what took place before and what takes place in the book

so you get a more complete picture of both alliance and horde

[zealous basalt]

wtb link

[mint arch]

someone did the math

So the Horde's catapults are at least three times more effective than what we'd expect and better than the best catapults we can make with modern technology.

[hollow dock]

magic

[zealous basalt]

Again with the logic

[summer cobalt]

The strings that held that catapult back must've been extremely taut

[mint arch]

https://i.redd.it/p3bitc8tomd11.jpg

[zealous basalt]

Wat in tarnation

[mint arch]

new recruits

:D

also nightborne

https://i.redd.it/2b0tryiv2kd11.png

Thalyssra: " Together we rejoin the outside world as defenders not conquerers"

[delicate dew]

http://www.wowhead.com/news=286021&webhook/story-of-the-burning-of-teldrassil-elegy-and-a-good-war

[mint arch]

um, isnt that already posted in #latest-news-old

[zealous basalt]

Grand Conqueror Thalyssra

[mint arch]

[summer cobalt]

Thal, bae, no

[mint arch]

"I will see to it that the Nightborne end their long isolation as defenders of Azeroth, not conquerors."

[summer cobalt]

who said that?

[mint arch]

thal

[delicate dew]

makore asked for it, that's why i linked it here.

Better to have some writing that contradicts itself from time to time, than to sit on alliance side where nothing ever really takes place between the races.

[mint arch]

or have good writing as is the job of the writers

with so much lore on hand in such a vast universe of ideas/themes/places/so on

[zealous basalt]

non

i wanted teh link to video

I want more dragon thingies

[delicate dew]

Video is in the link

[mint arch]

dragon

thingies

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[hollow dock]

people think they can do a better job than the writers

omegalul

[zealous basalt]

...That too

We need more mortals and dragons

Raises fists

more mamastrasza action

[hollow dock]

please no. let her live

[zealous basalt]

i mean

I want her to live

not to death

[summer cobalt]

we've already lost one mama dragon

[zealous basalt]

that's why mommystrasza's action

Pet the dragon queen

[mint arch]

i mean, there will always be ppl who think they can do better job than the professionals.... but when u see bad/lazy/poor writing, u cant fault them or deny some truth in it

[zealous basalt]

Have you played Majora's mask

When that girl "hugs" you?

Some quest like that pls

[mint arch]

o.o

[zealous basalt]

And more tsunderestrasza too

[mint arch]

https://pre00.deviantart.net/d227/th/pre/f/2017/342/3/5/alexstrasza_by_artdoge-dbw4o69.jpg

thicc

[zealous basalt]

AND CHANGE HER MODEL LIKE THAT PLOX

...with transparent cloak

...k im done with dragon rant

[mint arch]

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/759699.jpg

sum thicc sally

[zealous basalt]

Im not a fan of her face tbh

looks kinda bratty

wtb quest to give the dragons their ability to breed back pls, they have suffered enough, they don't deserve extintion

but not

stellagosa x valtrois

that don't maek sense

[hollow dock]

why not?

[zealous basalt]

She is nightborne

[hollow dock]

they're both women. They found some common ground on the leylines. The relationship builds itself from there.

[zealous basalt]

Like, the nightborne that could feed on her kin

[hollow dock]

Again: And?

Dragons can eat people

[zealous basalt]

...must not

[hollow dock]

that doesn't stop Jaina from falling in love with Kalec

[summer cobalt]

Makore, don't

[terse patrol]

Nightborne are cured via the fruit tho

[hollow dock]

^ that too

[summer cobalt]

I know what you wanna say

[zealous basalt]

is fighting for not

[hollow dock]

Vore

[zealous basalt]

sweats

[hollow dock]

there

done

jesus

[zealous basalt]

shakes head not that

[hollow dock]

you're a bunch of kids

[zealous basalt]

And besides

Valtrois is ugly

[hollow dock]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

[zealous basalt]

my ass

[hollow dock]

and fortunately

[summer cobalt]

Was thinking that they could eat out, maybe grab some surf and turf

[hollow dock]

you are not that beholder

Oh its a lesbian joke

you're a bunch of kids

[zealous basalt]

I was going to say humans can eat out dragons too

Giggity giggity

[summer cobalt]

we're mature

[mint arch]

[zealous basalt]

But no

Moar mortal and dragon friendships or ships pls

And more azuregos sass

[summer cobalt]

Wranduin

[zealous basalt]

No, not wranduin

[mint arch]

dragon riders

[zealous basalt]

Wrathion needs to have a nice mate to remake the black dragonflight

ALTHOUGH NOTHING SAY THEY CAN't SHARE

[mint arch]

[hollow dock]

the uh

the black dragonflights in the same boat as the rest

[zealous basalt]

When we give them their chance to breed again

[hollow dock]

Whens that happen?

[zealous basalt]

Or well, explain why is there a young black dragon

[hollow dock]

You do realize that them going sterile didn't kill eggs that were still incubating right?

[zealous basalt]

And what if we see a black whelp there?

Or heck

If we seen one black egg

[hollow dock]

Dragons can move eggs

the eggs aren't forced to be stationary

[zealous basalt]

uh-huh

[hollow dock]

When wrathion has his deathsquad going

you don't think some stragglers are gonna be like

"Well I dont want these to die."

[zealous basalt]

uh-huh

[hollow dock]

"Better hide them"

[zealous basalt]

Let me have my dream, Vris

[hollow dock]

Never

[zealous basalt]

rolls newspaper

[hollow dock]

because it makes no sense

[zealous basalt]

You had your elves obliterated

smacks

[hollow dock]

They aren't even obliterated

[zealous basalt]

Don't break people's fantasy

Bad Vris

[hollow dock]

their trees gone

that's it

[zealous basalt]

Bad

Go 2 sleep

[hollow dock]

no?

[zealous basalt]

We have yet to see what wil happen in Dragon Isles

[hollow dock]

Dragon isle doesn't exist.

[summer cobalt]

It does

It's canon through an island expedition quest text

[zealous basalt]

Ye

Its canon now

Do you want the source?

Wtb wrathion old model

...new

[hollow dock]

oh so that does take you to the Dragon Isles now

Neat

[summer cobalt]

No, they're hinted at

[zealous basalt]

Which can be a future patch area

[summer cobalt]

Dragon isles are too big for an expedition

[zealous basalt]

Or probs new continent in future expac

[terse patrol]

I wouldnt mind a new Wrathion model.

I find his turban to be a bit...

Silly.

[zealous basalt]

They make him an edgelord

[summer cobalt]

give him a sick leather jacket

[jovial coral]

Maybe if his story becomes character developing.

Like finding anduin in game

Then they go get matching haircuts

[summer cobalt]

omg

I was so confused as to where the Wranduin thing came from

then I remembered MoP

🤦

[hollow dock]

Ah yes

When they clearly had sexual tensions

and showed love andcompassion for each other

while playing the equivalent of chess

[zealous basalt]

Oof

Too many sensual tensions in that chess game

[summer cobalt]

"King me"
"Will do ;)"

[zealous basalt]

The Lion King

And the Black Prince

Seems like a deadly combo

[ruby prawn]

Why did they make Sylvanas retarded?

She is nothing like she is supposed to be

Are they trying to make us hate her?

[zealous basalt]

...

No?

She has been like this since day one

[strange falcon]

^

[ruby prawn]

No. She has been smarter

She is now impulsive

[zealous basalt]

No?

Dude

Read the books of Elegy and A good war

[strange falcon]

well,her objective was to crush hope,when she saw that invading the tree wasnt going to cut it,she burned it

ez

[hollow dock]

You clearly didn't understand the horde side of it then Exo

[hollow dock]

she got the news of Saurfangs failure to kill off Malf

The night elf people spirit isn't broken

she needs a new way to do that

Delaryn gives her that idea

[zealous basalt]

Motivation to invade

• motivation to burn

Not impulsive

[hollow dock]

motivation to invade was in Before the Storm

so eh

on that bit

motivation to burn isn't clear if you dont do the horde side of it

[zealous basalt]

Well, not motivation

But

Erm

Like

[hollow dock]

It's also told to you on horde side

[ruby prawn]

I understand claiming it

[hollow dock]

she invades cuz she thinks anduin will striek first

strike*

[ruby prawn]

But burning it ://

[zealous basalt]

Blame Saurfang

For not killing Malfurion

[hollow dock]

spirit

[zealous basalt]

Hah

[hollow dock]

stupid bot

[zealous basalt]

Suits you well

[hollow dock]

Exo. She is trying to break the night elf spirit.

Plan A failed

[ruby prawn]

I understood that

[hollow dock]

She came up with Plan B.

Ruin their symbol of hope

[ruby prawn]

I don't like the Horde anymore

[strange falcon]

and it clearly succeeded

[hollow dock]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zealous basalt]

Then you arent a part of the Horde

[hollow dock]

If you don't like it. Tough

this is what the hordes been since first war. Thrall tried to change it, but you can't change nature

[strange falcon]

then go play alliance with hippy peace loving anduin

you know theres no game if theres peace

[hollow dock]

that's 100% false and you know it Dafire

Vanilla

Burning Crusade

Wrath

[zealous basalt]

It would be pony adventure quest

[hollow dock]

three expacs with no focus on the faction war

plenty of game was had

[strange falcon]

that's "postponing" the faction war

[hollow dock]

Its not

at all

[zealous basalt]

It is

[strange falcon]

you are occupied fighting another threat

it's the same as legion

you got together because of impending doom

[chrome compass]

[hollow dock]

during those years it was an unstable peace. Neither side attacked the other

[strange falcon]

not because everything is perfect

[delicate dew]

Got to take control before the alliance kills everyone and enslaves the rest in servitude of the hoomans

[hollow dock]

never said it was perfect dafire

[strange falcon]

you either have war,or a bigger threat that makes the factions come together

if you have a peace with nothing threat or villain happening

[hollow dock]

It was a very volatile state back then. the other side was waiting on the other to move

[strange falcon]

theres no game

no raids or whatever

[hollow dock]

There's always a threat

there's always a third part

dafire

[strange falcon]

exactly

[hollow dock]

the faction war

doesn't need

to exist

you dolt

[zealous basalt]

It started with a faction war tho

[night swift]

And this is probably the first xpac that is directly about faction war

[zealous basalt]

And it is going to nail it

But without any threat the game would be boring

[terse patrol]

Sure would have been nice to see Saurfang yell for the firing to stop in the cinematic

Instead of make it all about Sylvanas

[hollow dock]

it started with an invasion

[chrome compass]

Directly about faction war.

Until purple eye balls show up everywhere.

[sharp bluff]

cold war 😆

[delicate dew]

It's going to end with everyone having azerite nukes.

[meager warren]

http://prntscr.com/kdzb87
truer words have never been spoken

[obsidian zodiac]

A war will come eventually if there are two different sides- so if the faction war doesn't need to exist, there being two different factions isn't necessary either.

[hollow dock]

I mean. Argent Crusade and the Alliance were never at war

Look at the cartels

there's around six of em in Azeroth. They fight every now and then but aren't in full scale war

[tropic trail]

It's more of a rivalry

[meager warren]

just like the Alliance and Horde is more of a rivalry

since they fight together all the fucking time

[tropic trail]

Me fighting with the horde?

Naw.

[hollow dock]

I mean. Now peace seems pretty impossible

there's no way any night elf worth their salt is going to forgive the horde for what they did

[lone marten]

I hope not

It should create mental pain for those who endured through it

Do we have any healthy world trees left??

[sudden oak]

Nordrassil should be ok

[strange falcon]

you can go do your Nightelf RP up there now

[sudden oak]

And Shaladrassil should be purged from the nightmare already

[lone marten]

I want to see a purged shaladrassil

[sudden oak]

you will do when its important again

something I doubt

[zealous basalt]

I wanna see kalimdor together

Like

OG Kalimdor

[meager warren]

@tropic trail you fought with the Horde in Legion

[strange falcon]

play classic

pogchamp

[zealous basalt]

Nono

The supercontinent

And like

How the well exploded

[zealous basalt]

Like an animation

[strange falcon]

you might get that

in azshara warbringer

maybe

idk

[meager warren]

Crystal

you fought with horde in legion

[tropic trail]

Doubt

I fought with myself because I'm a dead person

But yeah.

I know.

[meager warren]

[hollow dock]

I mean

we DKs

fought with the ebon blade

no horde in sight

[meager warren]

What

That's your class hall campaign

[tropic trail]

Doubt

[hollow dock]

Well yea.

All of Legion, I didn't fight alongside any horde members. I did remember slaughtering a few over some warden tower

[rustic mountain]

Does anyone else have an issue that catapults from darkshore somehow flew across part of an ocean and hit the tree? Those have to be some super powered catapults, it makes no sense that they would even reach it

[zealous basalt]

No, we opt to ignore it

[dense plover]

i mean

i dont think the map, even on chronicles is quite to scale

and even if it is

does it really matter?

its more cinematic than the catapults being launched from boats

[tulip sun]

I can suspend my belief

[jovial coral]

They were kinda small lol but I don't mind

If the tree was small then I'd have an issue

Plus it dived into her past so it's not a real time kinda thing it's just brief visual of what happened imo

[uncut vault]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW_h0qf9vpA

[zealous basalt]

wat dos

[uncut vault]

new cinematic

[zealous basalt]

...

What did I just see

THAT WAS

[jovial coral]

Saurfang?

Sweet

Brb

[zealous basalt]

Loved that Saurfang the Younger reference

And that sweet vanilla wow cleave too

[dense plover]

holy shit

so unexpected

yes

[tulip sun]

I LOVE THIS

[zealous basalt]

That sweet saurfang love

[uncut vault]

This was beautiful, but man are they doing a good job at making the BfA cinematic make just no sense from the horde side

saurfang seems the opposite of someone who can be inspired to get back up by sylvanas in this

[dense plover]

holy shit

they didnt leave it out

story

in the game

its actually happening

[tulip sun]

Ok

[zealous basalt]

Unless we can interpret that part as something different

[tulip sun]

I gotta admit

Saurfang becoming Warchief seems likely

[zealous basalt]

Yeah, but I don't think he would be the warchief of the current horde

THO THAT YOUNG TROLL

[jovial coral]

Who was that troll, vol'jins illegitimate son

[dense plover]

so this is pre-siege

so we still have mid siege

and post siege

[clever ember]

I love that troll. He is my new fav.

[dense plover]

both mid and post siege will likely not be full cinematics

[zealous basalt]

We could probably have cinematics of Saurfang jailing

[tulip sun]

I love this torll

TROLL

I WANT HIM IN-GAME

PRONTO

[uncut vault]

if they do another

itll likely be from the alliance side

Genn, most likely

talking with that draenei, I hope

[tulip sun]

The single Draenei in the cinematic? lol

[jovial coral]

Beautifully done, yeah some alliance ones must be next taking place after the fire and stuff

[zealous basalt]

Though

The burning in this style

felt really creppy

I think

that with a Morally Grey Horde

they meant

Saurfang xD

[tulip sun]

They never did specify.

But I suspect that there is an alliance version of this after the lordaeron battle

We have a Horde cinematic before hand

The original one mid-battle

Then alliance one post-battle?

[uncut vault]

More likely also pre-battle, with Genn and soldiers from the alliance side in Brill

[tulip sun]

I suppose it would be possible

This was a surprise out of the dark

I did not expect a full on CGI pre-battle cinematic

[zealous basalt]

lel

i don't think anyone

Tho

they will need to make Aszhara's warbringer really good

[uncut vault]

was shown at ChinaJoy

which is why it was released right now

[tulip sun]

Ya, someone in another discord mentioned ChinaJoy

I am so excitedddddd

[jovial coral]

Do you guys think malfurion will get one?

[zealous basalt]

no

[jovial coral]

That's too bad but I have a hunch they will somewhere down the line

[meager warren]

Is that troll zappyboi

[dense plover]

oh shit

i have a sad theory

😭

i bet troll boi dies in a cinematic

[meager warren]

Spill it, peach

[dense plover]

and thats what makes saurfang just give up

[meager warren]

Oh. Why?

[dense plover]

specifically

i bet he dies to plague

and saurfang just loses faith in sylvanas' horde

[meager warren]

I thought he lost faith in her horde the moment she became warchief

[dense plover]

nah

he stuggled with the tree

thats what we see in the cinematic

[meager warren]

O

[dense plover]

but that troll boi convinces saurfang to not give up

the horde is home for many

it is their only family

but after sylvanas does plague

especially if it kills troll boi

[tulip sun]

GUYS

GUYS

[dense plover]

if i were saurfang i would seriously just give up on sylvanas at that point

[tulip sun]

ZAPPY BOI SAVES SAURFANG

Remember when Genn gets shot down by lightning?!

ZAPPY BOI

[meager warren]

i hope you're wrong

[dense plover]

me too

but if im not

its good writing XD

[tulip sun]

This cute adorable thing saves his life ❤

IT IS ALL CONNECTED

[jovial coral]

Probably the troll that came for anduin

[meager warren]

as in, the troll that anduin killed?

if that's what you mean, you're wrong since they're different trolls

[tulip sun]

Ya, totally different trolls

Even different hair colors

[jovial coral]

Oh I guess not then

[tulip sun]

This is quite literally the same exact troll model

Hair, mask, everything

As the one in tonight's cinematic

[heavy cairn]

lol

[meager warren]

oh, tonight's cinematic

haven't watched that

[solar vapor]

Zapp'iboi for warchief!

[meager warren]

@tulip sun the one in tonight's cinematic is Zappyboi or someone who looks exactly like him but the one Anduin killed is (obviously) a different troll

because he's a warrior, not a shaman

[outer maple]

so why do people keep referring to him as zappy boy? is there something i missed? lol

[meager warren]

'cause he zaps

[tulip sun]

I did not say the one who died was zappy boi

I am saying the one who opens the crack in the ground/shoots Genn in the back is the same one as tonight

and is still living

HE NEEDS TO APPEAR IN-GAME

[meager warren]

he's the son of Hekazi apparently

whoever that is

[dense plover]

clearly some troll who died in the third war

[meager warren]

he died in third war?

wdym

[uncut vault]

he didnt die in the third war, because he told zappy boi stories about the third war

[dense plover]

oh

i need to wwatch that again

The detail. Holy shit

[meager warren]

i really like Zappyboi tbh

[dense plover]

they mustve been working on this before the bfa cinematic

[uncut vault]

In tandem, most likely

[dense plover]

that would explain why both characters are used - they already had the models

and that would explain the higher quality - this one has more work

i bet they were sort of built in tandem and pieces were shuffled since they probably didnt know if they wanted the burning in the og cinematic or not

and it eventually storyboarded into two separate cinematics

[heavy cairn]

makes sense.

they probably would have released this much earlier if not for the fact that they wanted to make suspense over the burning of teldrassil

[meager warren]

or maybe they just wanted this one to be higher quality

[heavy cairn]

they probably have had this ready for a while.

[dense plover]

no

[heavy cairn]

teldrassil part very closely mirrors the concept art. and that was released long ago.

[dense plover]

cgi is the kind of thing you keep working on until release

and the level of detail in this is so much greater than the expansion cinematic

[uncut vault]

most likely scenario is decided to destroy two cities > decided sylvanas burns teldrassil first and alliance destroys Lordaeron > these cinematics > deciding sylvanas blows up lordaeron as she flees

would explain why they portrayed saurfang as so inspired

[dense plover]

nods in agreement

and why saurfang only has 1 shoulder

he didnt have time to put both back on

and why saurfang looks depressed prior to sylvanas saying "for the horde"

[meager warren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9470gr/treason_should_be_punished_not_glorified_about/?utm_source=reddit-android

how stupid is that

[dense plover]

at least for a moment, he sees sylvanas as a warchief

and why zappyboi looks at saurfang running past and then does zappy lava stuff

it all ties in together

its so great

also very glad anduin doesnt kill zappyboi but some other troll

[uncut vault]

I really do hope he shows up in the future

[meager warren]

if he killed zappyboi, probably that other troll would have taken his place

and same, port

[uncut vault]

not just as a meme, but a minor character that tags along with the horde

[meager warren]

or a major character someday

[heavy cairn]

we finally have a bit of story about zappyboi

would be nice to know his real name and maybe see him more

[dense plover]

i really do think zappyboi is going to die to plague

and thats why saurfang gives up on sylvanas

[heavy cairn]

oh, interesting theory.

[meager warren]

[uncut vault]

I feel like we'd see that

[meager warren]

you're breaking my heart, peach

[dense plover]

we might

[uncut vault]

there arent even troll skeletons at BfL

[dense plover]

yes there are

they use the models the zandalari troll skeletons do

[uncut vault]

can you show me?

[dense plover]

i can try

but also, stuff with him might be left out on purpose

similar to the graves in arathi

in the cinematic they only show tauren and human

so thats definitely not accurate

because at the very least, there are dwarves, gnomes, and orcs

so i would have to test it

and im way too lazy for that

also its late

we will find out for sure next week

[meager warren]

in the cinematic, there are dwarf archers too

[uncut vault]

they randomize the skeletons, but Ive only seen dwarves, gnomes, orcs, tauren, and goblins

well they added anduin on top of the azerite machine just hitting it over and over lol

https://i.gyazo.com/61af6abe2bc4f825f9f100f9a424826e.jpg

Yeah no troll skeletons on Horde side

[terse patrol]

@uncut vault hardcore

I dont get people still hating on Saurfang

[uncut vault]

at this point, its mostly due to blizz not explaining her actions very well

so they seem random and rash

[meager warren]

what

[uncut vault]

totally read that as sylvanas

most common criticism towards saurfang is that his honor is hypocritical

[sullen dagger]

Morning lil hordes

The crusade is here

\[T]/

[meager warren]

the crusade ain't here 'till the 14th what you on

[sudden oak]

didnt it come earlier for the pre order people??

[jovial coral]

Yeah he will die

Unfortunately

[dense plover]

Siege starts Tuesday for preorder people. Expac releases the week after

[cinder knoll]

@heavy cairn I would also like to know who his father was... maybe we will be surprised

[meager warren]

Zappyboi's father?

watch tonight's cinematic

[sudden oak]

I think it was called hezaki

or something like that

[lone marten]

I LOVE that trolls were actually in an HD cinematic

[chrome compass]

Zappyboi is actually Vol'jins cousin, on his mothers side, twice removed.

:^)

[sudden oak]

oh look he started to feel more than simple friendship with one of his friends

why cant a woman and a man just be friends?

[chrome compass]

Because it's said so that it was more than friendship.

Show me anywhere it says Anduin and Wrathion were ever more than friends.

And even then, Wrathion was basically holding him hostage lmao

[sudden oak]

what???????

[chrome compass]

He was kept in the inn.

[sudden oak]

anduin went to the inn to have peace and heal his injuries there

he wasnt kept there

[chrome compass]

Sure it's because he was injured, but Wrathion wouldn't leave him alove.

Alone*

[sudden oak]

there is something called giving company

anduin was interested about wrathion being an uncorrupted black dragon and wrathion was interested in anduin being the heir of stormwind

and meanwhile they played board games

how is that keeping him captive?

[chrome compass]

I mean either way (Yes I was wrong about that) Anduin doesn't trust Wrathion lmao.

[sudden oak]

he trusted him during pretty much the whole book until the garrosh fiasco happened and then he didnt comeback

[chrome compass]

"When the adventurer brings the [Heart of the Thunder King], he felt a chill within him at the first sight of it. Then Wrathion takes the heart from the adventurer and Anduin expressed his surprise and revulsion as Wrathion without warning, ate it and began to reveal memories in his head that Anduin didn't understand. After that, Anduin says aloud that he doesn't trust Wrathion; Wrathion replies that "[he] is wise not to.""

[sudden oak]

when someone starts to spout non sense the most common thing someone does is trusting them and as I said pretty much during the whole book anduin trusted wrathion

the questline comes before the book

you dont accept the proposition of someone you dont trust about riding in his dragon form and going into adventures

nor invite him to a super important trial

or tell them stuff about it

or being happy when he tells you that he would take you out of confinement forced by your father

[uncut vault]

Zappy Bois name is Zekhan, according to Andrea Toyias

[tropic trail]

Who is that?

[uncut vault]

Voice director for Blizzard

[zealous basalt]

Zekhan

Son of who?

[hollow dock]

Does it matter?

[zealous basalt]

It does

Son of Hekazi

[chrome compass]

Hekazi was Vol'jin's player name.

It's what he told his bitches was his name. So they wouldn't call him

:^)

[zealous basalt]

I cant stop watching the cinematic

[hollow dock]

that'd be pretty cool if it were true

[steel venture]

TBH it's a missed opportunity to not make Zekhan Vol'jin's son.

He has a few unnamed kids.

[terse patrol]

I think making him some unknown guys son is better

[tropic trail]

Yeah. The point of the story is that Saurfang feels loyalty to the members of the horde. The simple ones

Not that he feels like he has to protect the son of an old friend

[terse patrol]

Zekhan will likely be a medium tier lore character though.

Not like Rokhan and Saurfang tier, obviously.

[tropic trail]

Well, pre-Legion, Rokhan wasn't a medium tier character. And I would argue he still really isn't

[terse patrol]

Tru

Zekhan is bigger than him already

Being in a cinematic

[tropic trail]

But I'm pretty sure Zekhan will get more sutff down the line. He's well received and his zappyboi-role is kinda memetic

Which is how many characters started before they got bigger roles

Saurfang himself being one of the prime examples

[zealous basalt]

And it got referenced

[grizzled sleet]

New content will be added to PTR as soon as BFA launch right?

or until Uldir opens?

[tropic trail]

Unclear.

Blizz changes that from patch to patch

It also depends on how far from each other the new releases come

[grizzled sleet]

Do you remember how it was when Legion started ? I think it will be similar

[heavy cairn]

IIRC in legion PTR update usually waited for the next raid to start

I think that's how 7.1.5 and 7.2 were at least.

[viral terrace]

Return to Karazhan was lit

[heavy cairn]

I distinctly remember that 7.2 went into testing way earlier than expected

As in people were thinking, "but we just started nighthold!"

[viral terrace]

But 7.2 remained in testing for longer than some others iirc

[heavy cairn]

Ya

[grizzled sleet]

Ok thanks 😃

[uncut vault]

There’s going to be a larger gap between .0 and .1 in BfA compare to Legion

We don’t know if there will be an 8.0.5 yet

And if it will have actual content if it is happening

[heavy cairn]

Depends

Actually, never mind. I highly doubt there will be an 8.0.5 unless it's just adding more micro holidays or brawls lol

[uncut vault]

Well, they could add small story stuff

Like Chromie

Or allied races

[heavy cairn]

They will probably make 8.1 before adding dungeons, raids, or more story stuff. I guess something like chromie or allied races could make sense in a .x.5 though

[sharp bluff]

Isn’t uldir testing today?

[steel venture]

Zandalari and Kul Tirans probably will be 8.0.5 tbh.

Given that'd be a nice little mini-content thing to work towards.

[heavy cairn]

I suppose

Though nightborne insurrection warranted a .x.0 patch

[uncut vault]

Well that’s cause their story wasn’t over

[heavy cairn]

Kul tiran / zandalari thing would probably be similar depth

[uncut vault]

Zandalari is mostly wrapped up by Uldir

Kul Tirans get Jaina back by max level

[steel venture]

Mhm. So it's probably gonna be a halfpatch for them

They're the focuses of both Horde / Alliance questing from 110 to 120. There's no real extra story after?

I'm expecting 8.1 will kick up the start of Azshara's full assault.

Since we help out our prospective allies and wrap that up with the raid / dungeons.

[strange falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/291597807557541888/474975544698732554/DjsCp6eXsAA7x-T.png

[lone marten]

Uh huh

[uncut vault]

for about ten minutes

[lone marten]

XD

[strange falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/291597807557541888/474977671961509909/nv0kwx0xctd11.png

[tranquil steeple]

[mint osprey]

how is DH in pvp?

[strange falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/291597807557541888/474980162384166913/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/291597807557541888/474982504617607178/image.jpg

[sullen dagger]

Ahem ahem

WEE WOO WEE WOO

DIALY REMINDER

JAINA IS OUR GODESS ND OUR LIGHT

AND SHE WILL KICK REXXAR AND THRALLs ASSES TO AND THRU OBLIVION

AND WILL GUIDE THE AÑLIANCE AND THE REMAINING NON FROZEN OF THE HORDE TO ENLIGHTMWNT

[zealous basalt]

nani

emm, dude...there are special services for people that overdo bloodthistle

[sullen dagger]

Nah

Im a believer

Now I need a I want you of uncle same with jaina faxe

Face

[zealous basalt]

nani

[charred chasm]

has had one too many drinks

[sullen dagger]

Nah

[zealous basalt]

Did they change

Rexxar model?

[dense plover]

yes

its because he is part of the horde war campaign

stormsong valley is all rexxar

rexxar is invested af in the kul tiras story because he helped kill daelin back in the day

[waxen mauve]

that's why Jaina is gonna kill him now sadly

[dense plover]

lol

they wont kill rexxar

that would piss off so many people

hes one of a kind

[waxen mauve]

I bet they will

[dense plover]

well theres no evidence of that at all

soooooo

[zealous basalt]

but

why the face

[dense plover]

unsure

[zealous basalt]

Like

[dense plover]

maybe thats just what he looks like there?

[zealous basalt]

He looks like if he was on anesthesia

[agile token]

We can assume jaina is going face to face with rexxar

[dense plover]

its probably due to additional facial rigging

and the lack of that in the previous model

@agile token what evidence is there for that?

[zealous basalt]

its just looks so weird with that face

[agile token]

History is the evidence

[dense plover]

lol

[agile token]

Out of respect atleast

[dense plover]

theres no VO, theres no dialogue

dont assume based on nothing

[agile token]

sooner or later

[dense plover]

if its going to happen, it wont be in the launch patch for sure

[agile token]

Well yeah they probably won't see eachother at the beginning

[dense plover]

jaina isnt even a major character herself in the main patch

the end story of the base patch is going to get jaina

[zealous basalt]

Does base patch have lots of content?

[agile token]

Even after legion I get the feeling people are underestimating how much is still left to come

[dense plover]

also, they generally dont remake a model just to kill off the character

varian is evidence of this

they didnt redo his model prior to his death

[zealous basalt]

Ahh