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#beta-ptr-spoilers
restive sage
restive sage
his points are getting worse and worse over time
zealous basalt
Like
zealous basalt
The rules are the only thing that are saving him
sudden oak
if you dont like to spam your rotation then dont step in a raid
it will give you a heart attack
restive sage
yup
summer cobalt
He's a sinking ship 500 meters under the sea
sudden oak
if you get bored of your rotation the problem would be that spec has a boring rotation like afflock in legion (from my point of view)
restive sage
he tried to raid, and ended up getting kicked out of the raid and his guild
and now hes mad because hes bad at the game
sudden oak
I could play endless hours of demo lock and I would not get bored
that shit is fun af
fiery shale
@dense plover Hoping that I am wrong that this game got better.
Storywise, gameplaywise. and etc.
summer cobalt
Why would you want this game to be ripe garbage?
jovial coral
He hopes he's wrong
dense plover
wait
you say that
but then everytime we give an improvement
you say shit like "but cataclysm" or "but theramore"
i call bullshit
jovial coral
Well as long as sylvanas goes unpunished there is no hope
dense plover
liar
restive sage
he said hes hoping that the game isnt better?
summer cobalt
Cataclysm was eight years ago
Theramore was six years ago
It's in the past, not the present
restive sage
cata was not 8 years ago
summer cobalt
Almost
restive sage
it was 7 years ago
summer cobalt
December, 7, 2010
summer cobalt
But it's almost 8 years
restive sage
ALMOST
summer cobalt
it's closer to 8 than 7
restive sage
nope
zealous basalt
oof
restive sage
sas tell him hes not allowed to hack
zealous basalt
You warded him off
restive sage
:C
fiery shale
@dense plover I am running a tally. I am trying to do the math of however many expansions I had to settle for losing another place to quest in and I was hoping maybe in this expantion they can do right by alliance players (Maybe even worgen region like the horde goblins got?)
restive sage
yea hes definetly a furry
summer cobalt
bruh, Genn plays a more important role in the story than Gallywix will ever dream of
fiery shale
because we got a new race but no new regions to see their cool architecture or unique quests or storylines for them.
dense plover
@fiery shale what region did goblins get?
fiery shale
actually to experience the worgen storyline fully you had to level as a horde and play in silverpine forest.
which i find ironic.
sudden oak
or maybe you could play the worgen starting area
dense plover
what? they made you play both factions? how dare they! /s
sudden oak
??????
restive sage
ooooooooooooooh
summer cobalt
or level a worgen through their starting zone...
sudden oak
you are too late dondocool 
summer cobalt
damnit, you beat me
I'm flying to Throne of the Four Winds for a mount, don't judge
sudden oak
the mighty power of the gives me strength
fiery shale
@summer cobalt Both factions got their starting area but horde got Azashara leveling zone centered completely around goblins and 1/4th of orgirmar became a goblin zone but the alliance got a tree in darnassus.
fiery shale
yeah shame on me for wanting content. how dare I.
sudden oak
and you dont spend a lot of time in kezan since there is a volcano
dense plover
also, azshara is half about night elves, naga, and the war of the ancients
zealous basalt
...
dense plover
but you dont play
dense plover
so how would you know?
zealous basalt
WHO ARE YOU
sudden oak
also gilneas is like 3 or 4 times the size of kezan
zealous basalt
TO WANT NEW CONTENT
someone that doesn't play the game?
Now that's the good meme
summer cobalt
man, I want new content in a game I don't play
fiery shale
@zealous basalt when I see I am being treated fairely sure I will pay again. I vote with my wallet remember?
restive sage
why is grine still here
summer cobalt
Again
fiery shale
what the hell do you think I am doing here otherwise?
summer cobalt
Who cares
zealous basalt
Who cares if you don't play?
restive sage
leave
summer cobalt
GOOD QUESTION
zealous basalt
You aren't getting it right?
summer cobalt
Why are you here?
restive sage
you dont even have beta access do you
zealous basalt
You are like that filler
restive sage
kid probably hasnt even played the new zones
fiery shale
@zealous basalt then dont answer and be on your way? No one is forcing you. I am asking people who are playing the new expansion if they can shed light on the horde favortism issue and if it is still continuing.
dense plover
they havent
zealous basalt
You shush because you were asking for beta for long time
dense plover
and that it was worse than the horde capital
zealous basalt
Why wouldn't I don't?
restive sage
ive had the beta for weeks now
dense plover
when its more than 2x the size
restive sage
he dosent even have iiiit
zealous basalt
The ones that doesn't have the game
Don't have beta
and just limit themselves to playthroughs
Without reading the full story of warcraft
summer cobalt
Also, the Alliance Story in BfA is much more interesting than the Horde's
fiery shale
@dense plover the troll place seems cool, all the characters you interact with during your questline seem to link up for the final quest at the end. Its like reading a book and seeing each character's progression.
The alliance one seemed disconnected storylines that you have to check off the list to unlock something.
restive sage
honestly
im gonna be completely honest
i am considering switching to horde for bfa .-.
zealous basalt
You are literally new to the game, Slayer
restive sage
im not new
zealous basalt
I'd say have two characters
restive sage
ive been playing for like 6 months
zealous basalt
facepalms
restive sage
that is not new
dense plover
the exact same thing happens in the alliance questline
literally the same thing
the 3 zones all culminate in you going to get jaina
restive sage
thats long enough for me to have done the current content
dense plover
reuniting kul tiras
restive sage
and learn the game
dense plover
and the siege of boralus
its the same type of thing as zandalar
but you just watch playthroughs
sudden oak
in both factions you fix their problems and then they became an unified nation
restive sage
oh nooooooooo
zealous basalt
PREPARED TO KILL EACHOTHER
summer cobalt
And the Alliance gets the Daughter of the Sea and the Daughter of the Undead
restive sage
nOOOOOOOOO
dense plover
probably from some biased shithead who shares your opinions, further reinforcing your bias
restive sage
NOT BIAS
zealous basalt
inb4 snifty or someone like that
fiery shale
@dense plover its just a silent gameplay, no commentary.
dense plover
thats illegal i think
fiery shale
sue youtube lol
dense plover
its not fair use
so it can be dmca'd
fair use requires you doing stuff and responding to it
making it your own
by uploading silent gameplay, they arent protected under fair use
restive sage
im just offended by makore
zealous basalt
With sick montage
restive sage
at the fact that he called me new
when ive been playing for half a year
more than that if you count other stuff
zealous basalt
BOI
summer cobalt
That is kinda new...
fiery shale
people been playing this game since 2004
restive sage
so
open bridge
I think everyone should just hug it out
fiery shale
so yeah you are new.
summer cobalt
Grine, you don't play, you have no say
restive sage
just because someone has been playing for 10 years doesnt make 2 years new
zealous basalt
As i said
restive sage
how am i new to the game
fiery shale
@summer cobalt I don't play anymore until I get what I pay for.
summer cobalt
You gotta experience two or more expacs
zealous basalt
Relatively new
zealous basalt
Oh yeah?
restive sage
i have a maxed out dood
zealous basalt
cracks neck
summer cobalt
I have 15 110s
zealous basalt
What is the enchants, pots and prepots for monk
zealous basalt
2 minutes
summer cobalt
I think it should be cracks knuckles, not cracks neck
zealous basalt
YE
restive sage
what if you accidentally snap it
zealous basalt
YOUR NECK IIF YOU DON'T ANSWER BOI
zealous basalt
No no
restive sage
be clearer
zealous basalt
what are the Enchants, pots, flasks, food for a current tier monk
summer cobalt
Also, @fiery shale , you don't play anymore, therefore you don't have a WoW age anymore
zealous basalt
do you play agility classes?
summer cobalt
That point has been proven a multitude of times in the past few weeks
fiery shale
@summer cobalt Lol ok.
restive sage
i play warrior and paladin
zealous basalt
...Fair enough
restive sage
looks like i win
summer cobalt
not really...
fiery shale
@summer cobalt Does the age come back for 15$ a month for sub par content?
summer cobalt
It resets
restive sage
no it comes back
summer cobalt
since you haven't played in like 8 years
restive sage
you redeem your game time by subbing for 6 months straight
fiery shale
@summer cobalt mmm more like 4
summer cobalt
still
fiery shale
I played 1 month back in 2014 before quitting again.
restive sage
4 years? didnt you say you havent played since cata
fiery shale
so bad...
summer cobalt
That doesn't count
fiery shale
@summer cobalt /played disagrees but ok.
restive sage
i agree with him
summer cobalt
/played doesn't matter
restive sage
yea
summer cobalt
it depends on the recency of the /played
restive sage
YEA
fiery shale
@restive sage I actually played warlords with the whole bit with the heroes running from Iron Horde. I just could not finish it. The combat was so repetitive.
summer cobalt
and since you haven't played in 8 years, it doesn't count
zealous basalt
WHAT IN TARNATION
restive sage
you mean tab targetting?
zealous basalt
I FOUND A BUG
summer cobalt
WoD was absolute trash tbh
restive sage
yea your not gonna like very many mmos
summer cobalt
It's raiding was good, but the content was scarce
fiery shale
I used to like it back in the day but with newer games and their new gameplay systems yeah. It was tough to slug through WoWs old systems.
fiery shale
heard about that. but the initial WoD kind of bored me and the the horde favortism was just salt on the wound.
restive sage
the 2 biggest mmos have tab targetting
zealous basalt
what horde favoritism
restive sage
sooooooooooo
summer cobalt
Yeah, what horde favoritism?
zealous basalt
DID THAELIN GOT A NEW VOICE?
open bridge
Well, to be fair, all of WOD was about Orcs. So it felt like Orc overload
fiery shale
@zealous basalt I remember at the time the park was still unfixed, redridge was destoryed again. I think thats when orgrimmar got the makeover too but I dont recall exactly.
summer cobalt
Who's Thaelin?
zealous basalt
The explosive dwarf from WoD
summer cobalt
Oh, I'd suppose so for the Dark Iron Dwarf Allied Race
fiery shale
Oh right Netherguard keep was destroyed too
summer cobalt
By the Iron Horde, not the actual Horde
fiery shale
@summer cobalt still some abbreviation of a Horde.
summer cobalt
They aren't the same Horde
fiery shale
The point is as an alliance player we kept losing stuff.
its not fun being the losing side year after year.
it gets old and frustrating.
summer cobalt
The Horde lost Ogrilon Hold too
open bridge
The Alliance got the better of Legion as far as leader character development
It was all about Varian and Anduin
And BFA our storyline seems to have more with the overall world
summer cobalt
Also, the Alliance kept Surwich at the forests of the Blasted Lands
summer cobalt
Which has Gilnean architecture
fiery shale
@summer cobalt That place is just an insult.
summer cobalt
How?
open bridge
The Horde has had an awful storyline for a few expansions
fiery shale
goblins get a whole region. We get 3 houses.
zealous basalt
And the story there kinda made me cry
fiery shale
@open bridge And yet they are as always the focus of the story and the winning side in every battle.
zealous basalt
Winning battle for not the war
open bridge
They haven't won anything in a long time
restive sage
whats wrong with houses
zealous basalt
It has been proved that Alliance, if they ever go full war scale
Could finish Horde
open bridge
They lost their warchief 3 expansions in a row
fiery shale
@open bridge I am just counting the amount of alliance regions destroyed so far.
summer cobalt
Firstly, who cares about Azshara, no one goes there. Secondly, Goblin architecture is rarer than Gilnean archtecture. Thirdly, it's the opposite of the saying "Lose a battle to win a war"
open bridge
All 3 people who spent time in Azshara were sad to see it go I bet
fiery shale
@open bridge in BFA the horde bombed their own city and the alliance damaged to Lordearon region is just a straight line from the beach to the capital.
The alliance lost every location from Ashenvale to Teldrassil.
summer cobalt
THE ALLIANCE DIDN'T LOSE ASHENVALE AND DARKSHORE
restive sage
is it me or does the boat to zandalar not come on the beta
summer cobalt
We've discussed this already
zealous basalt
Can I slap
restive sage
im confused
summer cobalt
do it
open bridge
Darnassus was the only loss
zealous basalt
And heck
restive sage
ive been sitting here for 5 minutes waiting for the boat
fiery shale
Astranaar got destroyed though didn't it?
zealous basalt
it wasn't a win either for Sylvanas
dense plover
the fact that azshara is a problem for him, but bradenbrook isnt even mentioned
literally looking to complain
restive sage
WHO WAIT THE BOAT
summer cobalt
No, it didn't
fiery shale
@dense plover its just 3 houses...
zealous basalt
Ley-Guardian Eregos’s Arcane Barrage and Greater Ley-Whelp’s Arcane Bolt should no longer deal excessive damage to players on drakes.
YES
zealous basalt
Keep Cannons now deal significantly reduced damage to vehicles.
Siege Engines are now immune to all snares and roots.
Health of Glaive Throwers and Demolishers increased.
Damage and siege damage of Airship Cannons significantly increased.
When any gate is destroyed, the corresponding faction loses 50 Reinforcements
WAIT
WAT
fiery shale
I guess so. The bar is so low that horde beating themselves counts as alliance victory.
summer cobalt
And I suppose not playing the game allows you to give a valid opinion
zealous basalt
No
open bridge
Once Horde gets some actual character development it'll be a competition
zealous basalt
I was going to say
zealous basalt
That I suppose that
open bridge
They need Baine to be warchief or something
zealous basalt
They being pushed to defeat doesnt count
summer cobalt
what?
fiery shale
@open bridge I would not be surprised. How many times has the horde gone full evil but then it was just "But it was just garrosh/sylvanas that was evil"
open bridge
Plus, all this Darnassus stuff literally gets forgotten once BFA starts, the story doesn't even address it
restive sage
THE BOAT IS GONE
summer cobalt
good
restive sage
NO NOT GOOD
summer cobalt
zuldazar isn't good
fiery shale
@open bridge Yeah who needs Teldrassil, ashenvale, darkshore and anything in between.
open bridge
Literally nobody does
fiery shale
mhm
restive sage
shoutout to everyone that gets the reference
zealous basalt
sighs
restive sage
btw
open bridge
It's moot either way
fiery shale
Well yeah who would play in those regions anymore. We should all play horde for the superior experience.
loktar ogar, am i right fellas?
summer cobalt
Darkshore is a 10-60 zone once BfA launches, Ashenvale is a 15-60 zone once BfA launches, neither is a 110-120 zone
fiery shale
Lol how?
open bridge
We all agreed earlier
fiery shale
not really, unless you enjoy losing region after region.
summer cobalt
Put in a ticket
open bridge
Guys Darkshore is still listed as contested must be bugged?
Should I submit ticket???
fiery shale
@zealous basalt Thats fine. There are not that many left.
open bridge
And there's plenty of room up there
fiery shale
@open bridge If you include all the regions the horde has I am afraid I dont have enough place to put them up anywhere.
restive sage
boat is gone
summer cobalt
just walk there
restive sage
i was sitting there with someone for like 10 minutes
open bridge
Boats are so Draenor
restive sage
it never came
zealous basalt
That's what she said
summer cobalt
sad
open bridge
Guys I can't set my hearthstone anywhere because I don't have any regions left please help
zealous basalt
I dont think
summer cobalt
bruh, I can't hearth home because the Horde ate all my homes
zealous basalt
You can put those words together
open bridge
If you say regions 3 times Grine shows up like Beetlejuice
restive sage
some strong teeth
open bridge
NO
zealous basalt
Regions
open bridge
OH GOD
restive sage
OH MY GOD
zealous basalt
dabs
open bridge
I hear him
restive sage
NO
fiery shale
@restive sage Yeah Alliance lost every region from ashenvale to teldrassil since the horde marched through it an all.
Its not like there was much to begin with there are more Horde presence in ashenvale than night elves.
open bridge
The Burning Region
restive sage
not like anyone ever cared about teldrassil anyway
i dont know anyone that just sat in teldrassil
open bridge
I hadn't gone to Darnassus in 2 years before last week
fiery shale
I don't ever see Blizzard having the balls to take away a horde region.
sudden oak
there are still night elves fighting back in darkshore and ashenvale but nah the horde holds it 100%
open bridge
Factions will pretty much be over by the end of this expansion anyway
little sleet
is the Lorderon scenario next week or launch?
shy loom
fiery shale
lol
sudden oak
also this is something that doesnt affect the old gameplay since its phased until you do the 110 questline
restive sage
kul tiras looks so much better than zandalar
open bridge
Boralus is way better than Zandalar in every way
fiery shale
@sudden oak thats just blizzard's cheap way of not changing anything while changing everything. The bronze dragons have become the time traveling agency of WoW.
summer cobalt
🤦
fiery shale
its true though. The game would be far more compelling if the burning of teldrassil actually affected when you make a new night elf character and you start off as a refugee
you know... keep the story going
zealous basalt
They
sudden oak
or maybe its because they are not going to remake the whole thing for a total different level bracket and then make new stuff for the old level bracket
THEY
ARE
NOT
zealous basalt
Tried to do that once
zealous basalt
And do you know
What happened when they remade the world?
It wasnt well received
open bridge
Cata best expansion in history
sudden oak
you have to remake from ashenvale to darkshore
sudden oak
and then you need to make new stuff for those that used ashenvale and darkshore for old leveling
they are not going to make something new
for old leveling
fiery shale
@zealous basalt Remaking vanilla WoW was well received the issue was the content for horde was obviously done first and the alliance ones were rushed.
open bridge
Well it was done second because they had less regions you see
fiery shale
@open bridge Yeah we never got a new Gilneas themed region like the goblins for horde did. A pity.
@zealous basalt Lol I am tempted to just pay 1 month subscription just so you stop bringing up this moot point.
zealous basalt
And still
open bridge
Dang, I missed out on all of that great level 10 questing
terse patrol
It wasnt well received only because they literally destroyed entire areas, and theyre STILL destroyed today.
open bridge
My experience is ruined
zealous basalt
You wont be able to make an opinion
summer cobalt
Boi, you can still go to Gilneas and play around in there
open bridge
Azshara remake was a garbage tier zone, so if that's what they were going to give us
summer cobalt
You can't in Kezan or Lost Isles
fiery shale
@open bridge I wish they remade Darkshore in Gilneas architecture. That would have been awesome. Or maybe duskwood.
terse patrol
rip Auberdine
terse patrol
Darkshore aka broken up tornado land now.
Cataclysm ruined the old world. If they remade the world again, and just brought some normalcy to it, people would be happy.
fiery shale
I never liked Darkshore. Too gloomy. Like Ashenvale though. Very pretty and the music was awesome
too bad its for horde now
summer cobalt
oh god, the Horde has full, uncontested control of a tornado, they are unstoppable, they're gonna conquer all the Alliance lands
Sarcasm, btw
terse patrol
Tbh I think the Alliance will get Hyjal, and the Horde will get Alterac.
summer cobalt
just play a monk, you'll get a tornado
zealous basalt
Night elven areas weren't my point
summer cobalt
No, the Alliance will get Alterac
summer cobalt
Hyjal, who knows
fiery shale
@terse patrol How? Alliance now has zero presence on Kalimdor.
open bridge
Okay Horde we'll give you Westfall and Redridge for Azshara and Thunder Bluff
summer cobalt
The Exodar
terse patrol
@fiery shale The Alliance will be invading the Barrens in 8.1
fiery shale
Oh right that forgotten place.
open bridge
Taurens haven't had anything to do with Horde lore for 4 expansions so you won't miss Thunder Bluff gimme
summer cobalt
That place was the place where you got the Vindicaar
And you would know if you played the game to have a valid opinion
fiery shale
@terse patrol Really? Well that would be interesting to see.
terse patrol
Anyways, the Alliance seized all of Lordaeron, Silverpine, and Gilneas, and southern Hillsbrad. The mission table states the Horde is building a base in Alterac to base from.
fiery shale
I don't even remember my highest character... level 90 something so idk if I can experience the new expantion stuff.
terse patrol
So basically, the Horde is basing its guerilla war in EK from Alterac.
fiery shale
@terse patrol I though Alliance left after the horde nuked themsleves.
terse patrol
I suspect the Night Elves will take Hyjal and base from there.
Only Capital City got nuked
open bridge
Guys what will happen if they take Arathi Highlands? The Alliance will be done for sure
summer cobalt
Tirisfal is still recoverable
terse patrol
The rest of Tirisfal, and the now cleansed Plaguelands are Alliance territory.
summer cobalt
Western PL, or all the PL?
terse patrol
Nah
fiery shale
I hope these are actual changed areas but I doubt it. the skeptic in me says they will just be empty regions like Gilneas was after the starting zone.
terse patrol
Its Silver Hand territory
So, Alliance gets all of Lordaeron to make up for the fact that most of Ashenvale (which makes up all of northern Kalimdor canonically) is Horde territory now
Except like, Moonglade and Hyjal
So, just like how the Forsaken are basing guerilla operations in alterac, I suspect the Nelves will do the same in Hyjal.
Both are defensible mountain areas
And are central to the northern halves of their respective continenrs
Continents*
They’ll likely be updated to serve as their new capitals.
fiery shale
How can alliance hold these areas when the whole place has poison gas everywhere?
terse patrol
Dude only Capital City has the blight
summer cobalt
Only the castle has blight, Tirisfal is still good
terse patrol
idk why people somehow think all of Lordaeron is replagued
fiery shale
well its a gas right? if the wind blows that shit gets pushed everywhere.
terse patrol
And do you really think Blizzard would give the Alliance all of Kalimdor, then say
“Sorry, Alliance, you get jack shit”
“Have some blight land”
Er
summer cobalt
The shamans will probably control the winds around the capital city
terse patrol
Horde all of Kalimdor*
fiery shale
Well it has happened before. I would not be surprised. The alliance has lost theremore and Netherguard keep and no replacements were made.
hence the "jackshit" argument
terse patrol
I think Alliance players would revolt if that happened
fiery shale
we now have 2 refugee races
summer cobalt
Kul Tiras, the birthplace of Theramore, is replacing Theramore, and Netherguard can easily be repaired if Anduin found it necessary, which since there isn't a problem there, it isn't
open bridge
Guess we'll have to settle for having the entire world story revolve around our faction leaders for 2 expansions in a row
fiery shale
@summer cobalt The horde get that troll place so we are still 1 short.
summer cobalt
Zuldazar is 3x smaller than Kul Tiras
open bridge
Not to mention being a horribly designed city
Their boat is 5 minutes away
Who plans that
"Hey you know this boat that we'll need to use 5 times a day for 2 years? Let's put it at the end of a flight path away from the main city"
fiery shale
Zuldazar looks pretty cool. Kind of like the Lizardmen in Warhammer.
idk why you hate it so much.
fiery shale
The models look pretty new to me.
summer cobalt
compared to Kul Tiras
fiery shale
the whole place looks like a dump that needs humanitarian aid.
open bridge
It's a seaside town, do you want them to have neon lights everywhere so you can feel happy?
"Okay guys I know this is a shipping port, but who forgot the Christmas lights, Grine's in a bad mood put them up"
fiery shale
Nah just treat the alliance fairly I am tired of getting sub par effort just because I chose to play alliance. Thats all.
summer cobalt
Lord Admiral, our city looks depressing, do you wanna put off reuniting the maritime kingdom with the largest, most powerful navy to pretty the place up?
YOU DON'T PLAY AT ALL
🤦
fiery shale
I WOULD PLAY IF I WAS GETTING MY MONEY'S WORTH.
open bridge
nah u just broke fam its okay
fiery shale
Yep. So poor.
summer cobalt
You can't vote without money, Grine
fiery shale
Yeah trump cut my social aid for wow.
open bridge
Trumppppp
fiery shale
Anyways this was fun. I will keep a close eye, maybe when Alliance gets better content like the Horde players always enjoy I would maybe play again.
summer cobalt
more like a closed eye seems like it
open bridge
Hopefully one day Blizzard can live up to your standards
until then we can only hope...and wait
summer cobalt
Hopefully Blizzard can fulfill your wishes of obliterating the Horde off the game, removing all aspects of PvP, a vital part of the game
oh wait
they won't
fiery shale
@summer cobalt I will settle for 1 victory over the horde. Its been 14 years since the game first launched so maybe it will finally arrive.
idk.
but one can hope.
summer cobalt
We did win though, wtf?
summer cobalt
Siege of Orgrimmar, Stormheim, Draenor in WoD (according to you), the entirety of the Realm of Lordaeron, the naval game
fiery shale
Siege of Orgimmar was a civil war the alliance did not beat the horde. The horde beat horde.
WoD was another Horde vs Horde scenario.
Lordaeron was bombed by the horde.
The alliance had no bearing for any of these situations.
summer cobalt
In Siege, the Alliance had the perfect opportunity to dismantle the Horde, but chose diplomacy over complete war, like a civilized faction
regal coral
@fiery shale Idk Stormwind seems pretty happy. I mean, there’s always someone selling bread there every day.
fiery shale
The day I see the alliance actually occupying horde territory I would concede that point but it will never happen. Just like siege of orgrimmar the alliance just leaves or is incapable of doing anything.
@regal coral didn't the harbor burn because of the trolls recently?
summer cobalt
no?
fiery shale
I remember a little ingame movie with the trolls burning it down. the sky was all red and shit.
summer cobalt
Also, they don't occupy because Stormwind and the Human kingdoms are democratic esque, and many democratic countries irl don't occupy lands unless it's completely deserted
And that never happened
fiery shale
Guess I was mistaken on the troll thing. can't find that video.
btw that democratic thing is just a pile of horse manure.
for whatever reason the alliance never wins anything over the horde but the horde constantly wins crap over the alliance.
until that stops i am not giving blizzard my money.
summer cobalt
Because the Horde is in the mindset of conquer everything, the Alliance isn't
It's in their nature
fiery shale
I call it lazy writing and horde favortism.
the horde can never be allowed to lose anything for some reason.
summer cobalt
lazy writing on the Horde part, meaning that the Horde's story is linear and boring
And I think the Alliance has the easy capability to destroy the Horde
And the only thing holding them back was Anduin's peacekeeping desires
fiery shale
whatever capability they have.
they still live in tents
and cant win at anything
meanwhile horde has castles everywhere and wins all the time.
summer cobalt
Yes, lemme just set up an immediate castle and entire thriving village in the land I just invaded
I don't think you understand war
fiery shale
Yet somehow the horde is capable of constructing massive iron castles all over the globe.
seemingly out of nowhere no matter how isolated the location.
terse patrol
Anyone else notice they removed the scene with Genn Greymane and Mia at the end of the Teldrassil segment with the Alliance?
It just ends jarringly now
zealous basalt
Ye
summer cobalt
I don't think they did
zealous basalt
They did
summer cobalt
huh, when?
terse patrol
Genn doesnt even show up
zealous basalt
and like hugging
regal coral
@fiery shale the Horde may not lose much in terms of battles, but they’ve lost quite a bunch of Warchiefs. Alliance still has a King Wrynn (although Anduin, not Varian). And Kings don’t exactly make a democratic kingdom.
fiery shale
@regal coral Varian was nice but then he turned into a pussy after the siege of orgrimmar because Blizzard cant allow the horde to lose.
regal coral
He turned into a cat?!
sudden oak
also those new buildings you say in the barrens are not even that new they are just taking the buildings from warsong hold in northrend and putting them in every orcish base
summer cobalt
Like a civilized person
fiery shale
Nope.
sudden oak
see any similarity?
regal coral
Varian wouldn’t stoop to Sylvanas’ level and burn a city down.
sudden oak
cause I sure do
fiery shale
@sudden oak yeah the new cool models from northrend. the alliance on the other side of that region were still using vanilla models.
summer cobalt
You truly don't understand war
tulip sun
Wait
zealous basalt
@hollow dock
tulip sun
Barrens has nee settlements?!?!
fiery shale
@summer cobalt Lol i dont think you understand war either.
zealous basalt
Do you reember Qiana
tulip sun
Those pictures are not of Taurajo:k
summer cobalt
War isn't utter destruction of an entire people and their way of life
sudden oak
thats desolation hold
summer cobalt
It's to show a point
regal coral
Um, no it isn’t
fiery shale
um it is...
summer cobalt
Diplomacy is the only diplomacy tool
regal coral
Umm.. the earth is round
fiery shale
check out Carl Von Clausewitz and what he says. War is an extension of diplomacy.
regal coral
We never went to war with the Native American tribes. That’s almost a destroyed people, though
fiery shale
@summer cobalt I really don't understand the point you are trying to make.
The horde marched through enemy territory and burned down the capital of the enemy.
by all measures they conquered the enemy
regal coral
@fiery shale that’s called terrorism
summer cobalt
And you're implying that Varian should've just killed the leaders of the Horde at the Siege and destroyed the Horde entirely
regal coral
If the Horde were killed off, who would the Horde fanbois play as?
summer cobalt
That's not war, that's complete annihilation
regal coral
From Horde Perspective, Blizzard makes Alliance win all the time.
fiery shale
Nah he should have taken all the leaders captive for their complicity in the atrocities. bring them to trial and if guilty execute them. Then hold new elections for the horde with leadership more sympathetic to peace.
regal coral
@summer cobalt exactly
summer cobalt
The Leaders were fighting Garrosh
fiery shale
Oh and purge the military brass of the horde to neuter them for future conflicts.
summer cobalt
The Leaders of the Horde fought side by side with the Alliance, not against in the siege
fiery shale
@summer cobalt they were still complicit initially and bear his crimes.
just like they do now with sylvanas
summer cobalt
No, they don't
fiery shale
lol they absolutely do.
regal coral
How do you bold text? Lol
summer cobalt
His and her actions stand for their own
sudden oak
if they are still fighting you and they are receiving reinforcements you havent conquered the enemy
summer cobalt
add two asterisks before and after
fiery shale
sylvanas just killed tens of thousands in teldrassil and next week all the horde leaders will once again fight under her in defence of lordearon.
I dont see any rebellion.
do you?
summer cobalt
Italized is one asterisk, Bold is two, Bold and italized is three
regal coral
Look at Hellscream or whatever his name is when he defeats Malfurion in Part Two of the War of Thorns... he doesn’t kill him.
summer cobalt
But there's signs of possible rebellion
summer cobalt
Saurfang
fiery shale
up until the mana bomb there were many other war crimes. they still obeyed garrosh.
fiery shale
so they bear his sin.
dense plover
less than a thousand
"one person made a decision, it is the entire faction's fault"
you in a nutshell
regal coral
Wow, Darnassus only had 982 citizens?! My town has 5 times that number lol.
dense plover
remember
most of the army is in darkshore or silithus
many were lost to the legion
summer cobalt
Baine didn't want to follow Garrosh since he killed his father, Vol'jin never trusted him as Warchief, neither did Lor'themar, Gallywix is only chasing the money, so he doesn't count
jovial coral
Let us have a moment of silence for those 982 lost wisps.
dense plover
its less than 982
regal coral
moment of silence
dense plover
assuming the player saved some
fiery shale
@dense plover its one person decision but the order comes down the chain of command.
During the nuremberg trials just because people were following Hilter's orders did not stop them from being hanged.
summer cobalt
God, that quest shook me
dense plover
lol
summer cobalt
The fact that no matter what, you always failed
regal coral
I managed to save a piddly ... 5 ... citizens
dense plover
the moment you compare anything to hitler, your argument is null and void
the hitler point is always an argument moot point because it creates a certain image in a person's head
fiery shale
I am drawing comparisons that one person ordering and you following the orders is not a defense as shown historically.
dense plover
it becomes a biased question
summer cobalt
Hitler killed ~10 million ACTUAL people, this is a game
fiery shale
We are debating philosophy now.
regal coral
Lol
fiery shale
the game is just the context.
summer cobalt
Philosophy that Blizzard can write around and twist to their story
meager warren
wait, is someone unironically comparing a game to Hitler
summer cobalt
Real life isn't that
regal coral
Well, to be fair to the Horde, if an undead ruler ordered me to attack Darkshore, i’d do it, i’d be acared of making Sylvanas angry
summer cobalt
You can't erase real life, as much as you try
fiery shale
You said because 1 person ordered it the whole faction is not at fault.
Yes thats true.
but anyone who followed the orders is at fault because historically that has not worked as a defense.
hence my conclusions are not baseless.
meager warren
false
your conclusions are 100% baseless because the characters are pixels
you murder pixels
summer cobalt
No, I guess you're right in that sense, The bystander is still at fault, as much as the aggressor and such
But there are signs of resistance
regal coral
The person ordering the murders is just using the lower people as alibis. “I never killed anyone, i only ordered it.”
summer cobalt
If people showed signs to Hitler, they'd get some positive recognition if Hitler didn't send them to the chambers
fiery shale
and the person who does the deed and whoever ordered it are equally responsible.
The horde leaders still followed Garrosh during his attacks which are considered war crimes.
They were part of his army, supplying resources, soldiers and sharing battle plans. At some point they did rebel but they still followed him through many crimes.
This is the sort of thing a good writer would point out an explore.
Instead we got grumpy varian just walking away like a coward.
steel venture
yknow the 982 was just to make it seem like it was ALMOST possible, right?
summer cobalt
Not a coward, a civilized person
steel venture
cause i know some folk who managed to get near 100 by spamming as hard as they could.
summer cobalt
If you wanted someone who wanted to kill the Horde, look at Jaina
steel venture
darnasssus obviously has more civilians than just that. don't play yourself.
fiery shale
a coward. Do you want us to go back to history and see how civilized countries responded to aggression?
What period do you want to look at?
rome vs carthage?
rome vs persia?
maybe more recent?
america vs japan?
regal coral
HOW DARE YOU BRING JAINA INTO THIS!!
fiery shale
but nuke them we did.
regal coral
Regret?
fiery shale
a civilized country
steel venture
can we like stop brining IRL war into a fantasy game.
like every time sylvanas comes up someone has to pull up hitler like
its
not that serious
fiery shale
@steel venture fantasies are rooted in RL to keep them believable.
its their frame of reference.
regal coral
This civilized country did it because there was not other choice. Varian had a choice.
meager warren
imo, America isn't even #1 on Civilized countries
zealous basalt
that's why it is fantasy
fiery shale
@zealous basalt key word is rooted
regal coral
@meager warren sad but true
zealous basalt
Oh
summer cobalt
If the Alliance destroyed the Horde, there would be no doubt regret later on after the celebration of "winning" the ultimate war
zealous basalt
How could I forget that dark portals existed in real life
regal coral
I use my IRL dark portal to get to work every morning and avoid rush hour traffic
jovial coral
Neat
fiery shale
@summer cobalt I did not say destroy.
How many commanders, soldiers, bad actors who supported Garrosh were arrested?
the alliance just walked away
summer cobalt
He's saying that there are some real life philosophies in fantasy to keep it some what realistic
They weren't arrested, they were killed because they were in our way to Garrosh
fiery shale
Some survived surely? For that entire expansion blizzard promised some payback for the alliance.
all we got was a walk away
regal coral
Varian did the honorable thing, now shut up. Lol
zealous basalt
He won't
fiery shale
Lol fine. Here I will leave you to your echo chamber.
zealous basalt
Are you really going to leave?
fiery shale
sure.
summer cobalt
Thank god
regal coral
Finally! Praise the Light!
meager warren
when the writing is this much shit, it
regal coral
Oh shit
meager warren
s difficult for suspension of disbelief
fiery shale
@meager warren you cant criticize the game here. shut up.
meager warren
i think you'll find i can
summer cobalt
NEITHER CAN YOU
fiery shale
yeah i have seen the light
meager warren
joke's on you, i'm an undead
fiery shale
@meager warren No you cant
meager warren
yes i can
fiery shale
No you cant
meager warren
don't like seeing my criticism, block me
west relic
Still going to be loyal to the 
until the last day.
summer cobalt
You can criticize if you play the game and bring up valid, current points
summer cobalt
none of which, you provided to the table
meager warren
smh
west relic
summer cobalt
I double dog dare you
crystal forum
Why can't people just play both factions
meager warren
Thulm, can you ban the troll pls, bb
regal coral
@west relic you missed a helluva discussion about Grine hating Horde
summer cobalt
Patriotism, pretty much
zealous basalt
Cuz people like Grine
fiery shale
@west relic good for you for playing the faction that gets treated better.
west relic
I've been watching.
fiery shale
i dunno why i bother playing alliance when i did.
meager warren
Grine has some stick up his butt
regal coral
@west relic is Sylvanas IRL
summer cobalt
8 years ago
fiery shale
@summer cobalt 4
west relic
Something like that @regal coral
summer cobalt
8 years ago
crystal forum
I like both factions ^~^ equally
west relic
I don't.
fiery shale
@summer cobalt I guess you would know.
crystal forum
I like the story. So I play both.
summer cobalt
A month doesn't count as consistent gameplay
regal coral
Me, i just want everyone to get along, whether virtual or real
crystal forum
I dislike things about both and like thinks about both
fiery shale
@west relic Nah the issue is one faction gets superior content than the other.
crystal forum
So I love both factions and play both so that I get the wholllleee story and not just one side!
west relic
Going to disagree on that point @fiery shale
summer cobalt
grabs popcorn
crystal forum
TBH I think one faction sometimes gets a more interesting plot line but later the other will
So it's a back n forth thing
So I don't see the whole issue here
summer cobalt
Like the Alliance has a better story than the Horde in BfA
crystal forum
Idk I haven't played BfA yet but for the prepatch I think they're both incredibly interesting, but currently he alliance seems to be more drama filled
meager warren
i canceled my subscription because writing is trash
summer cobalt
You're in for a treat for the Alliance
fiery shale
@west relic Well I have seen multiple alliance settlements destoryed, no real vitory over the horde faction, older models used (and still used) since Cata update, an entire region and portion of orgimmar dedicated to golbins meanwhile worgens get 1 tree in darnasus which is now dust.
regal coral
for the Alliaorde!
meager warren
maybe next expac will be better
jovial coral
2020
fiery shale
@west relic so as an alliance player I am always feeling on the losing side despite paying the same money that horde players are.
crystal forum
sigh
regal coral
^^^
west relic
I have an idea.
zealous basalt
IIS HE GOING TO
crystal forum
I think grime is just a hater and should leave if he doesn't like the game!
west relic
zealous basalt
...
dense plover
XD
zealous basalt
Memed
summer cobalt
Grime doesn't play
regal coral
BOOM
zealous basalt
But
dense plover
get rekt grine
summer cobalt
Hasn't since Cata
fiery shale
@west relic I dont think i should award bad behavior by even more money.
zealous basalt
Grime doesn't play, Thulm
dense plover
then why are you in this channel?
crystal forum
Then why is he in a wow discord if he don play
regal coral
If Grine played, he’d actually know the damn lore
dense plover
why are you in a discord mainly filled with people who play a game you dont want to?
summer cobalt
He was seeing if BfA was going to be an overwhelming victory for the Alliance
fiery shale
To see if the game became playable again. it used to be better back in WOTLK. I enjoyed it very much.
crystal forum
Focus is right
dense plover
and all you are doing is arguing with everyone who does play, and saying they are wrong
crystal forum
Oh gosh another wrath kid
west relic
I don't think you can sit here and continue to complain about X, Y & Z when since you so wholly feel that the Alliance is shafted so often, that you wish you would've chose the other faction, then why not just faction change?
crystal forum
Like if you so whiney about how bad the alliance is.. Don't play it? It's a super simple fix?
Like all of this is fixed super easy?
dense plover
or stop trying to fight back what everyone responds to your questions
crystal forum
Just reroll?
west relic
@dense plover tone it down.
fiery shale
@west relic Because I don't want them to profit from being bad developers. So i decided not to give them money until they change and sometimes i ask around to see if they changed their behavior.
dense plover
but what does saying any of your opinions here in this discord do?
west relic
So let me get this straight. You won't be playing WoW until Blizzard decides to give the Alliance the things you're asking for?
dense plover
yeah thats what he has been saying
summer cobalt
Make a new char on the Horde and see how hard leveling is now
dense plover
all day
west relic
One second.
fiery shale
@west relic More like better treatment and equal content.
dense plover
u wot m8?
fiery shale
fixing past wrongs would be pretty sweet too.
dense plover
each faction has the same amount of content in bfa
but youre still complainiong
they arent going to retcon in game events
ever
they arent going to go and redo what happened at theramore because theramore happened
its not going to un-happen
summer cobalt
You can't erase the easily reachable past
west relic
A.) You can't go back and change history, what's done is done.
fiery shale
@dense plover I am saying that was pretty big loss. Maybe we should have something new somewhere else to replace that loss.
tropic trail
It's funny how ppl argue on here since everyone can decide for themselves if they want to play, pay or not .
Nobody here cares tbh
zealous basalt
Imagine if the yak was in this discussion
west relic
B.) Equal Content? You're free to make a character on both factions.
fiery shale
@dense plover it just seems all progression is painted in red.
dense plover
if everything just goes back and forth, then nothing matters
fiery shale
i dont see any blue.
thorny light
west relic
There's the blue.
dense plover
then youre color blind
zealous basalt
Fuc
sudden oak
🍿
dense plover
🍿
fiery shale
whats up with all popcorn?
thorny light
dense plover
ythisens works at blizzard
zealous basalt
Yep
dense plover
its why his name is blue
zealous basalt
Got something go say go him?
summer cobalt
There's your blue
crystal forum
gasp hullo blue tag! wave
west relic
zealous basalt
How has been your day with the morally grayness?
thorny light
fairly grey
elder otter
I'm bluer. Here anyhow 😛
crystal forum
Hi sas
zealous basalt
...one mod, two blues
regal coral
🍿🍿🍿 popcorn for sale $40
dense plover
i think the whole morally grey thing was a mistake. like they shouldnt have said that
west relic
zealous basalt
Who said it then?
dense plover
where did it come from?
thorny light
He said "Azeroth is grey"
zealous basalt
...
thorny light
People like to make a blurb
zealous basalt
Is this a mandela effect
crystal forum
Azeroth is grey. paints world map in greyscale
dense plover
ugh
zealous basalt
I told tou
fiery shale
@thorny light Yeah, I have a problem, I have boycotted wow until I see some alliance winning.
It feels as though for years now alliance has been on the losing end constantly and when we do win it seems the horde either bomb themselves or its a civil war or whatnot.
Also some contents like Worgens vs Goblins feels as though blizzard does the horde content first with as much as love and passion as possible and whatever time is left they scrape together something before the deadline and call it "alliance content".
dense plover
we have been bamboozled! Why didnt i buy insurance?
summer cobalt
🍿
zealous basalt
He did it
sudden oak
🍿