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#beta-ptr-spoilers
lone marten
zealous basalt
You has ashenvale now
sharp bluff
they have done nothing with him recently, except invite the highmountain in
sharp bluff
no
lone marten
๐
sharp bluff
I would rather play alliance as my main, then EVER see Gally as warchief
sharp bluff
The thought of those chins in charge....
mint arch
```Her actions still have the Horde's best interests in mind, the scary and amoral part is just how ruthless and merciless she is about it.````
LAWL
oh man, they legit cant stop
grizzled sleet
Just like you can't stop 
mint arch
sylvanas literally could kill azeroth herself and eveyone on the planet = she didnt do nuthin
sharp bluff
Again I like Baine as a character, but I think he would be a horrible warchief,
As for Belf Leader... well, that is not a fun idea
grizzled sleet
Lor'themar Theron is fine
sharp bluff
Oh I am sure he would be a fine warchief, but I don't think it would go over well
lone marten
Nooo
sharp bluff
I would roll with it, but the idea of a Belf leading the horde, i would not like it
lone marten
Maybe we dont have a warchief
sharp bluff
A belf leading the horde, at least to me, would be like the gnomes leading the alliance instead of the manboy
it just sounds wrong
grizzled sleet
Let's call it Council of the 10 warchiefs
lone marten
Council of the Horde
grizzled sleet
Sylvanas + Saurfang + Baine + Lorthemar + Gallywix + Ji Firepaw + Thalyssra + Mayla + 2 new allied races leaders
mint arch
gally goes bankrupt, jumps off a mountain
mint arch
ya xD
hollow dock
Sylvanas is far more evil
hollow dock
Frm day 1 she's been evil...
mint arch
its serious mental gymnastics going on with the sylvansa fanbois
lone marten
Gallywix was a slave master for a short time
mint arch
they are olympic gymnastics now
hollow dock
technically all capitalists are
zealous basalt
Wtb socialist elf
sharp bluff
Gally blew up a volcano, almost sold his race into slavery, and is lusting after the blood of the world(not just wanting, full on deadly sin here)
ruby star
Is EU part 2 tomorrow ? or Thursday?
grizzled sleet
Tomorrow
grizzled sleet
There is 16 hours between US and EU Reset
zealous basalt
HUE HUE HUE
hollow dock
tailsen's videomakes me laugh
grizzled sleet
"GREYMANE'S FORCES HOLD THIS WARDEN TOWER BREAK THEIR RANKS! SHOW NO MERCY!"
"MALFURION STORMRAGE MUST DIE!"
AN ILLUSION?! WHAT ARE YOU HIDING....
grizzled sleet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U09AR6WotpY Why is this only about horde ๐ก
hollow dock
arthas was morally grey
until he stepped foot in northrend
that's when he went full villain
and became a lot less interesting tbh
mint arch
ya
grizzled sleet
Is Bolvar morally grey atm?
mint arch
stratholme is a GREAT example of morally grey situation
hollow dock
Yea. Where in Stratholme, yes it was a horrific thing that Arthas did
and he knew it
but he had to do it.
mint arch
yup
zealous basalt
Because Uther was a hoe
hollow dock
"I'm not sorry for what I did, but I am sorry I had to do it."
mint arch
careful arthas, ur not my arthas yet arthas
grizzled sleet
I hope they find a way to kill Turalyon on BFA
mint arch
:O
zealous basalt
Tf are you into
grizzled sleet
He's blind, with the light things
hollow dock
but he' snot anymore
mint arch
oh no, ur gonna make me argue with vris about the light
hollow dock
Xe'ra is dead
grizzled sleet
The yellow eyes things, are not what I meant, he still think the same way
mint arch
i mean, up to this point, all he's shown is that he's had faith and was fighting the war to save the universe from the legion
hollow dock
That doesn't make him blind
mint arch
^
grizzled sleet
That's why he's ridiculous
mint arch
agreed
hollow dock
Clearly he's not blind because ya know
mint arch
why?
hollow dock
HE DIDN'T KILL ILLIDAN
mint arch
he NEEDED faith
hollow dock
for killing that is essentially his god
mint arch
to fight for 1000s of years
a losing war
losing friends, allies, planets, so on
u need faith in something to keep going
zealous basalt
Better than anyone of ur heroes and trash waifus
mint arch
and he had the light
hollow dock
Like if that happend to Tyrande
grizzled sleet
I love how Velen's character changed with Illidan presence. Turalyon is just an "old velen" now
mint arch
no he's not
hollow dock
Velen's only changed to not put 100% complete faith in the light
zealous basalt
Pls stop before they roast u
mint arch
ya, velen is just now more open minded
hollow dock
he doesn't have complete faith in the light to guide them
mint arch
he hasnt given up on the light in any way
hollow dock
he just wants them to help
mint arch
he's still a priest as well
grizzled sleet
I know he didn't lose faith on the light, but it's actually interesting to open his eyes to another vision, instead of 100% light. I loved how they made this happen. Turalyon is just the old Velen now, nothing interesting
hollow dock
No he isn't
He's not 100% on light
otherwise
HE'D HAVE KILLED ILLIDAN
how is that not getting through
mint arch
if he was 100% light, he'd be against alleria
grizzled sleet
Things with Alleria are just because he trust her, and he trust when she said she can control the void. Doesn't change anything for his or his vision
mint arch
and there's nothing wrong with being 100% light btw
the light itself doesnt do anything
dense plover
can we regard the morally grey thing? im sick of that meme
hollow dock
,,,
dense plover
also
grizzled sleet
I didn't say it was wrong, just not interesting at all
hollow dock
No
dense plover
i hate to say this
dense plover
but drorith was right
hollow dock
we'll keep it alive
dense plover
that cinematic was disappointing
mint arch
i mean, we've barely had time with turalyon post legion
dense plover
there was no character development, and her being this rash when making decisions was lazy writing
mint arch
we've had more with alleria
zealous basalt
Ye
mint arch
lazy and bad writing
hollow dock
it shows just how far gone Sylvanas is
dense plover
she was going to capture the tree up until an elf told her they would still have hope
dense plover
that was shit writing
hollow dock
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
grizzled sleet
Sure, because there is nothing interesting about him.
dense plover
totally inconsistent with the sylvanas in the book
im fine with her having burned the tree
mint arch
o...kay... so absence of time/story with a character = not interesting
dense plover
but her changing her mind at the last minute is shitty
saurfang says nothing in the cinematic
its shit writing
zealous basalt
That your opinion m8
hollow dock
I mean. Anything that 'provokes' her she makes a rash decision on
ya know
like Arathi
mint arch
i mean, sure... u can say Turalyon not interesting cause we barely have had time with him to see his story... i guess
grizzled sleet
Not interesting because it's just another "old velen"
And they won't use the same character progression as velen
That's why I hope they kill him somehow to make things elvolve another way in this war,maybe it will change something about Alleria
dense plover
but nobody even objects to that rash decision
mint arch
wut
zealous basalt
Do you have thonk
mint arch
old velen? from what?
mint arch
hollow dock
Nathanos hesitates
mint arch
hollow dock
so thats good to see
dense plover
i really hope they plan to expand on the sylvanas story, becaue if she goes full garrosh, i will be soooooooo pissed
hollow dock
makesme think maybe he'll actually stand up to her
dense plover
i hope so
zealous basalt
hollow dock
She's already at that point. She just isn't forcing the horde into a schism yet
mint arch
lol, she's gone beyond full garrosh
mint arch
wut
dense plover
she isnt kicking out most of the horde
dense plover
she isnt consuming pieces of an old god
hollow dock
She' snot forcing a schism in the horde yet
dense plover
^
grizzled sleet
When BFA is out, prepatch will have new content ?
hollow dock
She started up a war
dense plover
pre mop garrosh was kind of enjoyable
zealous basalt
You will ha e to
hollow dock
destroyed a major alliance port
zealous basalt
Do horde stuff
dense plover
but after?
zealous basalt
Vris
dense plover
ugh
mint arch
but on the topic of evil/villain, she's waaay past that
dense plover
she has always been evil
dense plover
the question is when the horde will stand up to her
dense plover
she has been evil since arthas killed her
hollow dock
Heck. @limber mural thinks we shouldn't even look back onto history for these events.
vast mirage
vris do you play on argent dawn? xD
mint arch
legit had ppl defending her stormheim actions
dense plover
they need to focus in on horde leadership
dense plover
and have some politics stuff happen
hollow dock
I do all my RPing off a private server
mint arch
we've had examples of her evilness DURING legion, still nope to fanbois
dense plover
maybe have some kind of horde roundtable in 8.1
zealous basalt
Private server
hollow dock
During cata
dense plover
or post uldir
hollow dock
during WotLK
mint arch
private
hollow dock
Fuckin first act
mint arch
server
limber mural
whom ping
hollow dock
in WC3
limber mural
No that's not what I said
limber mural
I said there's no point in reverting to history
It makes no narrative sense
Sure we can look back on it
hollow dock
there's always a point to reverting to history
to explain the present
Why did Jaina purge dalaran and overreact to the horde?
oh yea
limber mural
but the history is equally morally crap
hollow dock
Theramore happened
it'll never make sense if you outright ignore past events that lead up to this
Why is Varian so hateful of orcs? he's just a warmonger surely
limber mural
yeah, I don't dispute that
hollow dock
not entirely. Orcs backstabbed and killed his dad
dense plover
honestly we need to stop with the idea of morals. morals are subjective
hollow dock
^
zealous basalt
You are right
dense plover
lets view each side and what theyve done as just actions, not good or bad, but things that have happened
zealous basalt
But people dont want to accept it
limber mural
I'm in favour of this working in a narrative perspective. It's ok.
dense plover
ofc the opposite faction is going to see one sides as actions as bad
limber mural
I'm not in favour of it working in a 'shoved down players' throats'
dense plover
pretty much always
limber mural
manner
dense plover
what we need to look at is the reasoning behind each actions
sylvanas is trying to break the night elves
mint arch
cept certain parts of morality are not subjective
dense plover
that was her goal with teldrassil
originally it was to be done through capturing
but she was told it wouldnt work
so she took overly drastic measures
urban dew
Night elves say mean things and bad things happen
dense plover
anduin sees this horror and has no choice but to siege lordaeron or lose the faith of his people
mint arch
*genocide
dense plover
whether or not anduin wants to
he has to siege lordaeron
genocide is the purposeful wiping out of a people
she isnt hunting down every last night elf
heavy cairn
[void] Morality is by definition subjective, so those "certain parts" are not it.
dense plover
she is destroying their capital
thats war
not genocide
there is an important difference
intent
the intent is not to wipe out the night elf race
so it is not genocide
hollow dock
I mean
hollow dock
she attacks the heavily less defended mostly civilian population of Lor'daenal
mint arch
lol, she's invading a forest, destroying everything, killing night elves and civvies, intends to kill off the leader, killing night elves in teldrassil was her goal
"capture" xD
hollow dock
Like just pointing out
mint arch
sure u can say its not full out night elf genocide, whoop de doo~
mint arch
@heavy cairn well, my point is that say u commit a genocide, there is nothing subjective about it, it is morally wrong and abhorrent action
dense plover
genocide is the purposefully targetted destruction of an entire race
zealous basalt
@hollow dock no moar elves
dense plover
she isnt attempting to wipe night elves from existence - she is attempting to decimate their forces and destroy their hope
hollow dock
slaughtering out the entire population isn't genocide?
hollow dock
You dodged
mint arch
decimate their forces by killing all the civvies her army sees
heavy cairn
@mint arch that's the opinion of basically everyone, but that doesn't make it objective. It's still an opinion.
dense plover
whether or not she is killing large amounts of the populace, she is not targetting all night elf outposts across all of kalimdor
hollow dock
Just the ones in her path
dense plover
and she is not attempting to kill them all. she wants them gone
hollow dock
and slaughtering every living elf she sees
dense plover
its a different intent
dense plover
thats by definition the difference between slaughter and genocide
zealous basalt
dense plover
if you did it because you hated the people there it is, if you did it to take their land, no
dense plover
this isnt my definition, this is wwhat the word means by definition
vital compass
remember in cataclysm, when she showed the val'kyr to garrosh, and he told her "what difference is there between you and the lich king now?" and she said "i serve the horde". except she doesn't serve it now, she leads it. get out while you can hordies.
weary grove
Genocide: "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group"
mint arch
@heavy cairn lol, i mean then anything and everything is basically an opinion if u wanna think like that.... my point is that when it comes to morality, yes its majority subjective but there are certain things that go beyond opinions and ARE just morally wrong
dense plover
"the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation."
dense plover
its when you are specifically targetting a race of people because of who they are
zealous basalt
I think
He meant
A full genocide
Where no more elves exist
Which would be a bless
zealous basalt
hollow dock
it doesn't need to be full wiping out
zealous basalt
How do you call a full genocide
heavy cairn
@mint arch no, not "anything and everything" is an opinion. you're just saying "it's not subjective, <insert subjective view here (morally wrong)>"
mint arch
she tried to commit genocide, took the actions and was going to do so
hollow dock
"the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation."
Peaches definition of genocide.
By this
yes
Sylvanas is committing it
hollow dock
She is deliberately wiping out the night elves. Slaughtering every living one she finds in her war path
mint arch
@heavy cairn ur saying that morality is entirely subjective regardless of situation or action, im saying that no, some actions are morally bad and there is no subjective-ness about it
dense plover
im going to go do the second half of the quests
heavy cairn
Combining by-definition subjective words with adverb "morally" does not make them non-subjective, you're just describing where the opinion comes from.
So you've kind of been contradicting yourself a bunch
vital compass
wonder what'll happen if she gets nuked by the vindicaar
heavy cairn
"It's [subjective] but there's no subjective-ness about it" ๐ค
mint arch
um no, im not saying morality is not subjective, it IS majorly subjective but then there is arguments about that
heavy cairn
Everyone can have their own morals. For example its morally good in Sylvanas' eyes because she's thinking the horde will live at peace on Kalimdor once the alliance are wiped out.
heavy cairn
Determining whether something is genocide is an observation of an opinion. mixed this up with something
mint arch
the act of genocide and wiping out an entire race, i dont see it as something of a matter of opinion
heavy cairn
So whether it took place is a fact: if someone intended to do it, it's genocide, otherwise not
heavy cairn
We can agree that it's a genocide because sylvanas intended to do it.
mint arch
just that i was saying certain actions, imo, like genocide is something that is morally bad and nothing subjective about it
vital compass
@heavy cairn you think sylvanas will stop with kalimdor? 
heavy cairn
But the fact that it's a genocide does not make a subjective opinion into objective
mint arch
maybe "morally bad" is wrong term to use
heavy cairn
[aen] no but she claimed she would so that's why it's morally good in her eyes
If she ends up not wanting to stop there she'll come up with some other excuse
mint arch
well, thats the argument then: killing/rape/destruction/so on.... i dont think there is anything subjective about them, i believe they are objective evils
tame scaffold
She was planning mass genocide before this. Azerite simply changed the target city. Original plan was to massacre everyone in Stormwind
vital compass
she plays everything extremely close to the chest and doesn't reveal what she's doing til it's already happening and someone questions her on it.
heavy cairn
Well, they simply are not. While many of us can agree they are evil it's still subjective.
mint arch
well, i will concede that genocide depends on subjective elements
but as a concept, it is objectively evil ya
tropic trail
I think I have gotten Sylvannas Real plan: Destroying the world by making the servers go out by the force of flamestoms breaking the forums.
zealous basalt
OOF
vital compass
#sosavage
heavy cairn
I'm going to stop arguing about basic logic
Opinions never become facts, and vice versa. You can make a fact that some group has some opinion, but that's fundamentally different.
mint arch
well ya, i agree... facts and opinions~
but basic logic, this is an argument still out in the open
its a debate~
zealous basalt
drops mana bomb here
mint arch
sry, ill stop
zealous basalt
still explodes
mint arch
hollow dock
Yes morality is 100% subjective.
The spider is hungry and requires food and sees it a good thing to devour that fly
think that fly thinks the same way? ๐ค
heavy cairn
Indeed
Attaching "morally" (an adverb) to adjectives does not suddenly and drastically change what the adjectives are: opinions . It just hints at how said opinions were formed.
Via someone's own morals.
mint arch
like i said, using the term "morally bad" was wrong term to use
and i didnt say that morality isnt subjective, it is majorly subjective concept
if u argument is that something like genocide is 100% "morally bad"/evil/w.e but that is still a subjective conclusion
then sure, i can see ur point
my counter is that i consider something like genocide to be objectively (evil/bad/insert term) with subjective elements involved
zealous basalt
looks to void
mint arch
heavy cairn
Ok but you considering it to be objective (which is an objectively incorrect way to phrase that) is not enough for it to be objective.
dense plover
ugh, can you not skip the second half of the darkshore questline if you did it once?
hollow dock
not yet
dense plover
uggggh
vital compass
oh yeah btw i talked to zoridormi in darkshore and she sends you back so darnassus is still around but lor'danel is still under attack
i dunno if that's a bug or intended
mint arch
um, so u consider genocide a subjective concept, not an objective one? @heavy cairn
regal tusk
literally
subtle adder
I am so mad I wanna cry. I loved Sylv but they're just burying her alive at this point...
hollow dock
nothey aren'y lol
Her first act as a ruler is to backstab and kill her allies
she's bad from the start
heavy cairn
@mint arch no, I was saying it's not "objectively (evil / bad)"
mint arch
well ya, we can agree to disagree on this
dont wanna get into a full on morality debate
heavy cairn
By the way
I did read that debate site you linked
All the debates arguing for "objective morality" cited either subjective stuff or unproven creator stuff
mint arch
that site was just a quick google search to show that it is a topic of debate, im not endorsing any of the opinions on it
again, i dont wanna go properly into this debate right now... also we're really off-topic
heavy cairn
Yea please no debate lol
zealous basalt
the only thing im pissed about the video
zealous basalt
is that Sylvanas directly turned into their banshee with body
zealous basalt
I still remember the words of Arthas
"With how much you bothered, the less I will give you will be the peace of the death."
molten river
yass mommy Sylvanas burn that lawg
storm sand
tropic trail
My take on the current ontroversy and blizzards adds g Maybe I'll redo it a bit better with time
strange falcon
zealous basalt
200% MAD
umbral fiber
pretty sure her red, RUBY red eyes are a visual clue in all this
Ruby being associated with the corruption int he emerald dream and Nzoth
lean sable
Dude
Her eyes are always red
That doesnt mean shes part of thr emerald nightmare or nzoth
And its stated undead cant be influenced by old gods
lean sable
Exactly, she was acting way to anime when she got saved by saurfang
tropic trail
To translate someone elses brilliant post:
"So, if the war of the thorns was a m+ instance, you could say that you cleared it, but you missed every objective you had (like making it in time), because your hunter Sylvinus just needed to pull every mob because she got triggered by the NPC dialogue and your warrior Saurfang decided to not stand behind the endboss but instead to heroic leap through him for "honorable positioning", leaving the encounter bugged."
umbral fiber
the Ruby Nightmare
lean sable
Did no one read what i said? They cant be old god minions
In actuallity the void wants them eraticated
Its been stated in the windrunners comic and in chronicles
Latest chronicles
frosty path
honestly I don't get people who'd actually faction change because of this but ok
like as long as pvp is saved and the gameplay is good then sounds like a good xpac to me
frosty path
yea I've been digging war mode
lean sable
Even though i was getting my ass beated when i tried it out i still liked it
frosty path
i'm more of a pvp-er so war mode has so far been a bit of a godsend
tropic trail
I think most people that would want to change faction are those that care about the story and "Fantasy" of their character, not those that mostly like the gameplay
frosty path
i used to have one main each (one ally one horde) but I'm full horde now
lean sable
If its that then i just been modeling their stories around what happened
frosty path
yea i can see that
tropic trail
I'm mostly an rper on horde, so I have many people in my vicinity that are quite unhappy.
frosty path
RPers probably gonna have-yea
lean sable
I get some people who are morally good characters are gonna not like this but eeeh
tropic trail
Like, my blood knight is not happy with "let's burn thousands of civilians alive"
zealous basalt
A death knight could be really happy kek
Mine is
He was like strangulates everyone
sucks blood
regains green color
frosty path
I've always liked Sylv and I'm happy PVPing as a horde so I don't see this whole moral thing getting to me
"regains green color" voodoo confirmed
voljin alive confirmed
frosty path
voljin burned down teldrassil
hollow dock
All my night elves that didn't die with teldrassil/darkshore are now thirsty for that horde blood(roughly 30 of them died. Ones MIA tho.)
tropic trail
Well, come to the undercity. You can totally get revenge on us, because it is absolutely not a trap to use your anger to blow up our own capital with you inside.
zealous basalt
"Malfurion regrets leaving SW with War Mode on"
feral belfry
lol
dense plover
slight update to beta world quests since i last checked
azerite caches no longer can come from wqs, now they directly drop azerite gear, though you currently cant check the traits (i think thats unintended)
also, tortollan rep world quests give 250 rep instead of 100 when the reward is a rep token, since wqs are their main rep source
fiery shale
Lol. I am still waiting for the Alliance to win at anything in this stupid game.
Its always goes something like "I am there! Almost going to win! Argh.... damn it they got us."
zealous basalt
no
fiery shale
@dense plover Last we spoke you said we don't know if it was Horde that burned down Teldrassil.
What do you think now?
dense plover
thats why i was a snark
zealous basalt
Wat to heck with the levels 100-110
dense plover
its to balance the curve
zealous basalt
Also gud troll at the end
dense plover
otherwise it was an inverse curve
troll?
they did increase the amount technically
zealous basalt
110 to 120
dense plover
it was done mid beta
fiery shale
I got a lot of flak for saying exactly what happened and I think I am now owed an apology.
dense plover
lol
zealous basalt
And who are you to ask for apologies?
dense plover
suck a cactus
fiery shale
classy.
I was right man and you had no basis to rage against me for calling it right.
zealous basalt
But I think you should change those last 10 levels to Early beta-Late Beta
dense plover
i have every right to do whatever the hell i want
you arent the thought police
just like i dont owe you an apology
what someone expects to happen and what happens are two different things. A prediction is never a guarantee, and for you to treat it like one in order to feel superior shows you have some kind of inferiority complex
restive sage
stop doing math
fiery shale
Dude you were being toxic as hell just because I said Blizzard was doing the typical behavior of horde winning and burning the tree and the alliance not getting anything in return.
And here we are. exactly what I said did happen.
zealous basalt
But Horde didn't really win?
dense plover
because sylvanas burning the tree sucks for character development and puts her on the track to garrosh 2.0
fiery shale
The horde burned an alliance capital and bombed their own capital. I dont see how thats a loss.
dense plover
dude
zealous basalt
You are too blind to see or to follow a storyline then
dense plover
i seriously dont give a fuck about winning and losing
restive sage
who plays games
zealous basalt
Didn't conquer
dense plover
not 1 fuck given
restive sage
and doesnt care about winning or losing
dense plover
to wins vs losses
zealous basalt
And she didn't kill malfurion
empty mountain
Did she seriously order the tree burned because she had a hissy fit over what that wounded elf said to her?
fiery shale
The story is focused too much on horde, the alliance are pretty much the spectators.
fiery shale
Idk the entire story seems to be about what horde characters do.
dense plover
dude
zealous basalt
But you can still see him
dense plover
its the best i can do unfortunately
but i did manage to turn off messages from server people who arent friends
so assholes cant just pm me to be assholes
fiery shale
Nah you are right. This game is perfection itself.
It can do no wrong. Best writing ever. Perfectly balanced.
fiery shale
Sorry i disturbed this echo chamber.
dense plover
grine
i literally said the writing for the sylvanas cinematic was shit
also, just for you
fuck theramore
zealous basalt
Sylvanas had a good build up
summer cobalt
Theramore deserved it
You honestly have no standing point to be judging the story of WoW
fiery shale
@zealous basalt she seemed bipolar.
zealous basalt
She is bipolar
fiery shale
Or maybe the writers don't know what they are doing lol?
they are not very consistent.
Or maybe they are told to figure out a story on pre-determined conclusions that limit them
summer cobalt
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you can't have a stance on the story of it with the way you've been acting, your single mindedness, and the lack of gameplay you've done in the past while
dense plover
^^^
fiery shale
Thats an unfair assertion. I don't like to play but I still watch play throughs.
summer cobalt
Playthroughs are not playing the game
fiery shale
I don't like monetarily supporting bad decisions. You know voting with your wallet?
I can still read the quests and see what happens.
summer cobalt
Blizzard isn't running for president
Your opinion is weak compared to people who actually play the game and pay attention to the story
How much more do I have to beat this dead horse
dense plover
just stop
you can beat a horse but you cant bring it back to life
aka
stop talking to grine, their opinion is invalid
and they just came here to complain about a game they dont even play
to people who have no influence over the decisions blizz makes
fiery shale
And you fellas keep moving the goal post because you know I am right.
This game and its falling subscription numbers are indication enough already
zealous basalt
If you don't play the game and only limit yourself to play throughs...
No matter what your say
zealous basalt
Your opinion is pretty invalid
dense plover
considering they dont announce sub numbers anymore
fiery shale
@zealous basalt I vote with my wallet.
dense plover
good for you
zealous basalt
Oh yea?
dense plover
but voting with your wallet does fuck all here
zealous basalt
I vote with my own experience
dense plover
we arent blizzard
zealous basalt
Which worths more than your wallet
dense plover
you are just complaining to us, just to complain
restive sage
how would you know the sub count btw
dense plover
you wouldnt
elder otter
Briefly chiming in to remind everyone to remain civil when in disagreement about anything. Thanks.
fiery shale
@zealous basalt I think its useless to complain but still happily pay for the same crap over and over.
Its like those abused women that stay in the relationship.
dense plover
wow
fiery shale
leaving seems a cleaner break.
zealous basalt
Crap for you maybe?
dense plover
thats an awful comparison
restive sage
yea
zealous basalt
I am enjoying the game
dense plover
thats a disgustingly awful comparison
restive sage
same
zealous basalt
I prefer being a loser than follow a warchief that would kill everyone just for the sake of it
fiery shale
@zealous basalt How are you enjoying your worgen themed zone? Nevermind the 1 tree we got in Teldrassil is no longer accessible.
restive sage
same
zealous basalt
Elves are something I don't really enjoy
restive sage
uhh
summer cobalt
Teldrasil is like Silvermoon, no one goes there
zealous basalt
They can have it, I prefer the new areas
restive sage
where is silvermoon
zealous basalt
Boralus more than Zandalar
summer cobalt
North of the Eastern Kingdoms @restive sage
restive sage
never even been there
fiery shale
What about the dinosaur mounts and druid forms that are exclusive to horde?
zealous basalt
Are you dumb?
restive sage
what dinosaur mounts
summer cobalt
There's plenty of cool dinosaur mounts that the alliance get too
restive sage
theyre on alliance side too lol
zealous basalt
I prefer the wickered forms of Kul Tirans
restive sage
the new dino
fiery shale
@zealous basalt Maybe I am Afterall expecting to get equal content for playing the alliance faction.
summer cobalt
You'd know that Alliance gets dinos if you played the game
zealous basalt
??
restive sage
OOOOG
zealous basalt
If all
fiery shale
Why would I pay to get half a product unless I play the correct faction Blizzard wants me to?
restive sage
half a product???
zealous basalt
@dense plover
restive sage
what?
zealous basalt
Boralus is prettier than Zandalar
restive sage
what does horde get that alliance doesnt
fiery shale
Why are you guys so focused on me paying money to blizzard? Are you all sales rep lol?
zealous basalt
Because for being in a beta channel
fiery shale
@restive sage And entire zone themed for worgen like the horde got in azashara.
summer cobalt
No, we don't care that you "vote with your wallet", but experience overwrites looking at it
jovial coral
Don't worry sylvanas will probably blow up zulduzar next
restive sage
arent worgen an alliance race tho
zealous basalt
You don't really have something to offer
fiery shale
@restive sage Yep and got less content because of it.
restive sage
i dont see how alliance has less content
fiery shale
@restive sage Worgen did not get a whole zone themed after them with unique quests like the horde got with the goblins in azashara.
fiery shale
thats my point. Playing alliance gives you sub par product unless you switch to horde.
zealous basalt
Grine
restive sage
you get 1 more zone
restive sage
who tf would switch for 1 more zone that your not even going to
zealous basalt
You don't play the game so...
restive sage
oh w8 forgot the rules
fiery shale
@restive sage You said how does Alliance get less content. I just proved it to you. and here you are moving the goal post.
restive sage
thats hardly even more content
summer cobalt
oh no, this one zone is just slightly inferior to the Horde's version of it, lemme just pay $20 to transfer
Sarcasm, btw
zealous basalt
Where is my thnonk
restive sage
oh that was sarcasm?
summer cobalt
In case you didn't figure that out
zealous basalt
Thats the new meme
summer cobalt
Wouldn't be surprised if you didn't
zealous basalt
kek
fiery shale
@summer cobalt alliance did not even get a zone for it to be less.
Maybe I like leveling alts? And when I see how many new crap horde get while i am forced to go back to the same old unchanged regions i get pissed.
sudden oak
you can have my thonk 
makore
restive sage
eh il go faction change anyway
sudden oak
I have couple more
zealous basalt
I tell you Grine
sudden oak
if you want
restive sage
cant wait to get to that old zone that apparently is better than the alliance version of it and sit there for 2 minutes
zealous basalt
Alliance leveling feels more refreshing than Horde leveling
There are some zones that feel better leveling as Alliance
fiery shale
Like where?
restive sage
elwynn forest
zealous basalt
Elwynn's forest feels better and faster than Durotar
restive sage
C:
zealous basalt
And the adyacent areas
dense plover
if you dont play both factions, thats your problem
both sides have a full questing experience
fiery shale
Elwynn?
summer cobalt
man, I love looking at a barren wasteland compared to a beautiful forest
summer cobalt
Again, sarcasm
fiery shale
killing hogger for the 10th million time?
restive sage
doesnt that go for every bounty in every zone if you level there multiple times
zealous basalt
Doing the Mankrik's wife questline?
dense plover
and none of us agree with you
zealous basalt
Go ahead, I can counter you
dense plover
so what point are you trying to make?
fiery shale
@zealous basalt Isn't that before cataclysm?
restive sage
:thonking
fiery shale
I though they split barrens into two regions
zealous basalt
double lol
sudden oak
is this thonk good enough?
zealous basalt
INFEROS pls
restive sage
woah
zealous basalt
restive sage
waow
zealous basalt
There are quests regarding Mankrik and his wife, heck, its called revenge of Mankrik
fiery shale
Yeah I am pretty sure I played in southern barrens, there was a battlefield and a scar in the middle. The quest was fun but kinda sucked how the alliance was in somesort of makeshift camp but the horde had this huge castle on the side of the mountain.
zealous basalt
Because
restive sage
his only point so far is that horde side has a zone thats better than an alliance zone
zealous basalt
Guess what
restive sage
no
zealous basalt
Alliance isn't locale there
restive sage
im not guessing
zealous basalt
not u
restive sage
aww
zealous basalt
They are the pushing force
restive sage
:C
zealous basalt
It is obvious that they will have lesser outposts than the horde
But
You wouldn't know that because you don't play so
๐ค
dense plover
^
dense plover
makore, why do you keep talking to grine? youve made the same points they continue to ignore
fiery shale
Dont the horde have huge post-northrend castles all over eastern kingdoms? Like in badlands or stranglethron vale?
restive sage
let them fight
zealous basalt
that how is it possible that Horde has bigger outpost in Kultiras compared to the small outposts of the Alliance in Zandalar
Because
Unlike Horde, Alliance goes sneaky, while they go oof
restive sage
what
zealous basalt
And they don't have big castles in badlands
west relic
zealous basalt
or the vale
summer cobalt
Look at the dinos and undead horse that my alliance human rogue can mount
fiery shale
so thats your argument about how I am suppose to be happy Blizzard put down 4 tents for me as an alliance player and put down an entire fortified castle for the horde?
Because my faction is a pusher?
zealous basalt
No, that's my argument for you to shut up
dense plover
what fortified castle?
restive sage
ooooooooooooooooh
dense plover
^
sudden oak
I would hardly call this 4 tents
zealous basalt
Alliance, being smaller, wins faster than Horde being strong
restive sage
fighting on the playground
sudden oak
even if its smaller than the horde one
zealous basalt
Alliance is better than Horde
sudden oak
its a goddamn fort
zealous basalt
but hey
fiery shale
@zealous basalt Alliance wins? when?
zealous basalt
Let me recall
zealous basalt
Warcraft 2, Warcraft 3, AND
Because I am lazy
throws Chronicles 1, 2, 3
Read these
fiery shale
Remember what I said about alliance still using old models while horde gets new models? there it is.
summer cobalt
oh hey, I just sent a small expedition force to spearhead into Horde territory, lemme just demand them to build the WoW equivalent to Sparta in two weeks
fiery shale
you proved my point lol
west relic
sigh
zealous basalt
They tell you the winners of each raid
fiery shale
look at the screenshot
sudden oak
your point was the alliance using 4 tents as a makeshift camp
summer cobalt
Who cares about models?
sudden oak
not using old models
restive sage
and a bunch of other animals and stuff
summer cobalt
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zealous basalt
Are you comparing
restive sage
and kids too
zealous basalt
Nah, it is done
fiery shale
Cata seems to be still a heavy remaining presence in the current game and BFA has not made any attempts to revamp those areas.
summer cobalt
It's been done for weeks
zealous basalt
Besides I don't want to piss Thulm
zealous basalt
This is not an argument
Heck
This is just random whining from someone that doesn't know the history of the game
summer cobalt
Because the amount of work that they would have to devote to revamping the world would be colossal
Although, it'd be cool
zealous basalt
Someone that think
restive sage
colossal titan colossal?
restive sage
or colossal
zealous basalt
I will ask you something boy
How much do you think that it would take to Revamp all Azeroth?
restive sage
did you just call him boy
fiery shale
@summer cobalt I guess you are right. How long did it take to repair the Redridge bridge?
dense plover
they are a troll
they are contributing nothing
and only came here to upset us
ignore them
restive sage
why are you calling him they
summer cobalt
Who cares about a stupid bridge
zealous basalt
Like
zealous basalt
He is the typical dude that thinks that everything is easy to be done
No, revamping the whole world requires lots of data space
dense plover
he probably doesnt care about anyy of this. they are here to make us angry
restive sage
that doesnt mean you cant want it
dense plover
ignore them
fiery shale
@restive sage Nothing it seems unless everyone here subscribes to the idea that this game is perfection itself echochamber then you are a troll
restive sage
did it really take you that long
to create that message
here subscribes to the idea that this game is perfection itself echochamber then you are a troll
dense plover
dude, we complain all the time. but we complain because we pay them, and we play the game so we know the actual problems
restive sage
alright so what im gonna say about this
you came in here talking about how alliance sucks
zealous basalt
And we complain not only to complain
restive sage
and horde is the best and gets more content and stuff
zealous basalt
But to figure a damn fix
restive sage
and your suprised people are mad at you?
dense plover
^
fiery shale
Alright here is another complaint. 1 to 110 leveling has no challenge. The game is a grind fest. Its just about getting XP as fast as possible.
summer cobalt
Especially since you don't play the game
summer cobalt
BOI
summer cobalt
BOI
zealous basalt
He just
restive sage
get him
zealous basalt
Tilted me there
restive sage
out of heree
summer cobalt
TILTED TO THE EXTREME
restive sage
FLAME HIM
sudden oak
someone bring the guillotine
zealous basalt
HELP MOD
zealous basalt
IF NOT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A SLAUGHTER HERE
fiery shale
Like how many times do you need spam the same rotation for the poor npc to drop dead? The dungeons are a snooze fest.
zealous basalt
And be thankful that the rest of the beta testers aren't here