beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

^

[fiery shale]

teldrassil is 1 to 10 leveling zone

[dense plover]

nothing fucking happens in darkshore in game

and the leveling stuff isnt affected

[zealous basalt]

...facepalms

[dense plover]

it only affects 110+

[fiery shale]

still

[dense plover]

no

not still

[fiery shale]

its an entire zone

[summer cobalt]

Yeah, that lvl 1-10 will be phased into the pre-bfa zone of it

[dense plover]

its one zone each

lordaeron got screwed too

[hollow dock]

peach you are saying that it's OK for blizz to shit in your cheerios, shoes and car because they give you an icecream cone

like.

sure

the ice cream cone is nice

[zealous basalt]

Lets be honest

[fiery shale]

alliance also lost theramore

[hollow dock]

but the other events still happened

[zealous basalt]

Horde loses all Tirisfal Glades

[dense plover]

that was cataclysm

stop with cataclysm

[fiery shale]

why the hell is alliance always losing shit?

[summer cobalt]

Theramore wasn't from the Horde, it was from Garrosh

[fiery shale]

I want to win some too

[dense plover]

WE LOST 3 FUCKING WARCHIEFS

[hollow dock]

Uh Jerro

Horde was Garrosh

[dense plover]

THE FUCK YOU SMOKING

[hollow dock]

at that time

[zealous basalt]

Even with all the shit lost

[summer cobalt]

GARROSH ISN'T THE HORDE

[hollow dock]

Yes he was

[zealous basalt]

Alliance is still strong

[fiery shale]

didn't alliance lose 3 leaders too?

[dense plover]

no

[summer cobalt]

this was establish long ago

[hollow dock]

he was Warchief of the horde

[zealous basalt]

No

[fiery shale]

Bolvar, varian, illidan

[dense plover]

lol

[zealous basalt]

Neither were alliance

Well

[dense plover]

illidan isnt alliance

[zealous basalt]

Only Varian

[hollow dock]

Illidan isn't an alliance leader

[summer cobalt]

He was the warchief of HIS horde

[dense plover]

bolvar wasnt a leader

[fiery shale]

i dunno if illidan counts though

[hollow dock]

Nope

[zealous basalt]

Bolvar became the Lich king

[summer cobalt]

different things

[hollow dock]

not at the time of Theramore

[zealous basalt]

And even so

[hollow dock]

Theramore was 100% the horde

the horde you play as

[zealous basalt]

Illidan was pulled out of the scene

[hollow dock]

Not his Horde

[fiery shale]

SO WHAT DID ALLIANCE WIN?

[zealous basalt]

Because if Illidan was to fight in this war

[hollow dock]

HIS horde comes at the end of pandaria

[zealous basalt]

He would have rekt anything

[dense plover]

alliance has a heavy prescence in south barrens

thats what they won

[fiery shale]

we dont have anything Gilneas themed for alliance players.

[dense plover]

thats probably coming this expac

[zealous basalt]

for now

[fiery shale]

Heavy presence?

like

5 tents?

gee

thanks

[dense plover]

theres a big fort

[zealous basalt]

Barrens become warfront later

[dense plover]

^

[fiery shale]

image?

[summer cobalt]

no, like warfront worthy presence

[dense plover]

there isnt an image

it isnt in yet

its future content

[fiery shale]

so how can you say that?

[dense plover]

because its datamined

[summer cobalt]

because Blizz confirmed it

[dense plover]

theres tags for the southern barrens that show its going to be a warfront in the future

[fiery shale]

ok I will eagerly await the vanilla model towers and tents

[dense plover]

dude

fuck off

go look at arathi

they redid it from the ground up

[summer cobalt]

No, the vanilla towers are out of here

[dense plover]

it has fancy new castles and stuff

[summer cobalt]

they got new models

good models

[dense plover]

they redid the entire zone

[summer cobalt]

better than the horde tbh

[dense plover]

its shiny and new

horde has a spiky wall

[hollow dock]

You all do realize Khamnin riled this man up and youre not helping in calming him down

and showing him that he is wrong

rather than yelling at him

[summer cobalt]

Stromgarde is fully under Alliance control

[tulip sun]

How did I rile him up?

[fiery shale]

Wait is Stormgarde a new capital city then?

[summer cobalt]

no, it's not

[hollow dock]

You came in and told him it's equal in BFA. When its it

[summer cobalt]

it's a warfront base

[hollow dock]

not

[tulip sun]

What is not equal in bfa.

[fiery shale]

its still pretty big.

[dense plover]

https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/wowpedia/thumb/d/da/World-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth_6024235.jpg/1200px-World-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth_6024235.jpg

[tulip sun]

We each lose a capitol

[hollow dock]

Horde and alliance treatment

[tulip sun]

We each get an island

[dense plover]

fancy new stromgarde

[fiery shale]

yey

when does it burn down?

[summer cobalt]

it doesn't?

[zealous basalt]

I think Vris is the one to blame here for saying that we lost tel-dark coast and ashenvale

[hollow dock]

it burns down when the horde wins their warfront

We do tho

lorewise we have lost kalmindor

[summer cobalt]

then we reclaim it back

[zealous basalt]

When the beta people have told you

[dense plover]

https://static1.millenium.org/articles/9/29/76/59/@/475347-1200px-boralus2-article_m-1.jpg

[hollow dock]

Where?

[zealous basalt]

Countless of times

[hollow dock]

I've yet to see that information said here

[fiery shale]

Oh so its one of those battle grounds that either side can win through

[hollow dock]

Tell me all you like. I would like to see the actual source

[fiery shale]

ok thats pretty cool

[zealous basalt]

Someone get a screenshot of the quests

[dense plover]

it switches back and forth

horde wins arathi for a bit

then alliance does

[fiery shale]

honestly that city looks like absolute trash

[dense plover]

in the end, alliance will probably win that zone

[summer cobalt]

it's kinda like Wintergrasp

[fiery shale]

Gilneas was way better

[dense plover]

im going to continue to disagree

its a huge city

3x the size of gilneas

[hollow dock]

Peach, can you screen shot me the war table that states the night elves somehow got Ashenvale forest back?

[summer cobalt]

with a bigger navy

[dense plover]

they didnt

[hollow dock]

OK thanks

[dense plover]

theyre just fighting in it

[hollow dock]

@tulip sun you lier

[dense plover]

it isnt lost @hollow dock

[fiery shale]

But the Trolls have a huge city too

[dense plover]

nope

troll city is literally half the size

[zealous basalt]

Well, it is tall

not wide

[summer cobalt]

the rest is desert or swamp

[dense plover]

its far less populated

[hollow dock]

So then blizz lied when they said the whole 'Kalmindor fo rhorde, EK for alliance'?

[dense plover]

its a different type of city

[summer cobalt]

The Zandalar are dying out, the Kul Tirans are falling apart

You can mend breaks in diplomacy, but you can't quickly fix population

[fiery shale]

But this is still not a victory. What about that Nigh Elf place in Legion. I saw some images of it online.

Is that the new capital for nigh elves?

[summer cobalt]

That's horde now

[hollow dock]

Nope

[zealous basalt]

eh

[hollow dock]

they're refugees in stormwind

[zealous basalt]

suramar

That's horde

[fiery shale]

@summer cobalt OH FOR FUCKS SAKE

WHAT THE FUCK

[summer cobalt]

Relax, we get the Army of the Light

[zealous basalt]

stop getting tilted

[tulip sun]

It is not Horde for gods sake

[zealous basalt]

We get a space ship

[hollow dock]

We got the army of light

[zealous basalt]

And voids

[hollow dock]

but can't use the space ship

so we might as well as NOT have the space ship

[summer cobalt]

Far more superior to suramar

[zealous basalt]

Because it would be op

[tulip sun]

THE NIGHT EKF PLACE IS STILL NELVES

[zealous basalt]

Like, lets be honest

If Alliance were to use all the resources

[hollow dock]

@dense plover can you confirm or deny khams claims?

[summer cobalt]

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SURAMAR

[zealous basalt]

They could win the war with the eyes closed

[fiery shale]

so we get another crappy Dranaei ship while the horde gets another sweet ass elven city in all its glory.

[hollow dock]

its not a crappy draenei ship

[fiery shale]

Its burning crusade all over again

[zealous basalt]

wat to heck

[summer cobalt]

tbh, the Vindicaar is super OP

[hollow dock]

it's capable of fighting the legion's fleet

[zealous basalt]

Do you mean with crappy boi

[dense plover]

@hollow dock there is still a large nightelf prescence in ashenvale

[hollow dock]

it's got a death star laser on it

[zealous basalt]

That's the vindicaar you are talking about

[dense plover]

there are missions supporting this

[hollow dock]

But who controls the region

Horde

or

Alliance

[summer cobalt]

We got to Argus on that

[dense plover]

its a mix

just like now

its not clear

[tulip sun]

The alliance gets SHADOWFORGE city

[hollow dock]

So the invasion force

[fiery shale]

@hollow dock Will the lazer be used to destroy every capital city of the horde?

[dense plover]

probably horde more than alliance

[hollow dock]

didn't

invade?

[dense plover]

night elves hide in the trees

[summer cobalt]

We can't use it for some reason

[tulip sun]

Grine, the laser is not that powerful

[zealous basalt]

I thought you would know that, Vris

[summer cobalt]

And that's on Blizzard

[dense plover]

they are resistance guerillas

[hollow dock]

So then

that means

horde controls the forest

Night elves are fighting to free it

[fiery shale]

So whats the point of the lazer if we dont use it?

[zealous basalt]

ask blizzard

[hollow dock]

You fight guerilla warfare

against oppressors

[fiery shale]

horde favortism?

[summer cobalt]

To break into Antorus and defeat the Burning Legion

[hollow dock]

or people that control the region

[tulip sun]

Grine, it could vaporize a few soldiers and nothing more

It is not tbe death star

[hollow dock]

Except that it can blast through Legion Steel

[summer cobalt]

We get the Void Elves, capable of bending the Void at their will

[hollow dock]

that's more than 'a few soldiers'

It can easily level a city

[summer cobalt]

and the Void is a formidable weapon

[hollow dock]

It actually does so multiple times during our push into Antorus

regardless

We can't use the ship

So

[fiery shale]

I am just here sitting thinking gee what cool new features would I get an so far I only have Stromgarde and my favorite nighelf regions completely gone unless I use some Bronze Dragon time warp thing (I am assuming here)

[hollow dock]

it's w/e

[tulip sun]

It can't levek a city, lol

[sharp bluff]

Are people really saying,” let’s shoot the planet busting laser at the weakened planet who is dying”?

[hollow dock]

It absolutely could

It's not a planet buster zep

[tulip sun]

All we saw it do was burst through a door

[summer cobalt]

It's a city buster

different thing

[hollow dock]

Legion Fel forged steel Kham

Not to mention our warframes that can BREAK APART LEGION DESTROYERS

[zealous basalt]

Blizz do Horde Favoritism because horde actually sucks really bad

[summer cobalt]

In all honesty, if Anduin wasn't such a wuss, the Alliance would steam roll over the horde

[fiery shale]

I am surprised anyone still is playing alliance

[hollow dock]

It's not that he's a wuss

it's that he's got the moral high ground

he's not a monster like Sylvanas and won't stoop to her level

[zealous basalt]

Because Alliance is times better than Horde

[summer cobalt]

That's the phrase I was thinking of

[fiery shale]

@zealous basalt What do they have thats better?

[zealous basalt]

Oh

rubs hands

Let's see

[summer cobalt]

grabs popcorn

[hollow dock]

We have shit loads better than horde

on just about every front

but we're not allowed to use most of these cool things

cuz that causes imbalance

[fiery shale]

not after cataclysm we dont

[zealous basalt]

We got Night Elves, who are better soldiers than anything on horde (I'm giving you that,Vris)

[hollow dock]

Yes after cataclysm

[zealous basalt]

We got Void Elves, master of void magic who can destroy minds

[fiery shale]

@zealous basalt I am talking about architecture and cities and zones developed by blizzard for them

[zealous basalt]

We got Lightforged draenei, that are better than their elven pallies

...

Do I really have to?

Everything in Alliance

[summer cobalt]

Largest navy, powerful warriors, tactical straticans, the Vindicaar, the power of the Light AND the Void, possibly the power of Elune

[zealous basalt]

Is prettier than Horde

EVERYTHING

[summer cobalt]

even the bikes

[zealous basalt]

You just can't compare Horde Architecture to Alliance

[hollow dock]

We gain the powers of Aman'thul in Jaina, we also gained the city of Dalaran until legion, we gained the Lightforged Draenei, Turalyon, Alleria, we gained the dark iron Dwarves, the Kul Tiras navy, Lord Admiral Jaina Proudmoore,

[terse patrol]

Stormwind > Orgrimmar ANY DAY

[zealous basalt]

Even if we don't get "interesting storylines"

[summer cobalt]

Aman'thul in Jaina, since when?

[fiery shale]

@summer cobalt And yet we lost all of ashenval, darkshore, teldrassil and we still could not take 1 capital city because the horde took it out themselves.

[zealous basalt]

We can still kick ass 20/7

[hollow dock]

Admiral Katherine Proudmoore. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[summer cobalt]

We lost Teldrassil

[zealous basalt]

Teldrassil wasn't a big loss compared to Lordaeron tbh

[jade basalt]

Horde got the numbers.

Alliance got a few blood elven exiles and, though we can't say with how many they started with, the forces of the Army of the Light after their battle on Argus.

Horde got the entire region of Highmountain and all its tauren clans, and the entire city of Suramar.

[hollow dock]

@summer cobalt A part of Aman'thul's power is in Jaina's staff since Isleof Thunder

[summer cobalt]

Only Teldrassil

[jade basalt]

But it's only fair, prior to that the Alliance rekt the Horde in terms of number.

[summer cobalt]

didn't know that

[zealous basalt]

It wasn't a real World Tree compared to Nordrassil

[hollow dock]

Lei Shen's machine that he used to power himself?

yea Jaina sucked it up into her staff

[fiery shale]

@summer cobalt the horde armies marched through all of ashenvale and darkshore to destroy teldrassil. How the fuck did horde get there to teldrassil then? teleportation?

[zealous basalt]

And

If Illidan was with us

Oof

[hollow dock]

turns out, Lei Shen stashed Ra-den's power into that

[jade basalt]

They used boats.

[hollow dock]

ra-den got his power from aman'thul

[zealous basalt]

We

Don't know that

[jade basalt]

You can see the boats in the artwork.

[zealous basalt]

No MyMind

[terse patrol]

If Sylvanas killed Tyrande and Malfurion, and Illidan returned...

[jade basalt]

.. yes.

[summer cobalt]

The Night Elves are still fighting in Ashenvale and Darkshore, Teldrassil is a lost cause

[terse patrol]

You can say bye to Sylvanas.

[zealous basalt]

We literally don't know if they really even made a step on Teldrassil

[fiery shale]

then where did our super awesome navy go?

[summer cobalt]

They destroyed the Horde's War goal

IT'S IN KUL TIRAS

[hollow dock]

We didn't recruit it at the time of Teldrassil

Kul Tiras comes in later in the story

[fiery shale]

WHY THE FUCK IS IT THERE?

[zealous basalt]

HISTORY

[hollow dock]

Kul tiras left the alliance in WC3

[zealous basalt]

NOW CALM THE FUCK DOWN

Shesh

[jade basalt]

There are Horde boats at the feet of Teldrassil at Rut'theran.

[summer cobalt]

Because we didn't recruit them yet

[jade basalt]

I didn't say they climbed or anything, we don't know that yet. But they did reach the tree.

[fiery shale]

but I though alliance has the best military?

as you claim

[hollow dock]

they do.

buthorde has numbers

[fiery shale]

and yet we keep losing.

[hollow dock]

Numbers<Skill

[summer cobalt]

Quantity over quality wins in war

[dense plover]

you dont lose everything

you lose some

and you win others

alliance will likely win arathi

[fiery shale]

What win did we have over Theramore?

[dense plover]

they sort of win siege of lordaeron

dude

[fiery shale]

Gilneas?

[dense plover]

stop with the cata comparrisons

[summer cobalt]

The will to siege orgrimmar

[dense plover]

we cant go back in time and change that shit

[fiery shale]

Teltrassil and all elven regions?

[tulip sun]

Gilneas was not even alliance when lost

[dense plover]

dude

if everytime i say alliance won a thing you say theramore

[summer cobalt]

We only lost Teldrassil to destroy the Horde's Wargoal

[dense plover]

then you are going to keep doing that

[fiery shale]

@tulip sun well as an alliance player we certainly did not get a wargen region like the horde did.

[dense plover]

forever

[summer cobalt]

how many times do I have to repeat myself

[zealous basalt]

Well

[dense plover]

which means there is no point discussing this

[zealous basalt]

Honestly

[dense plover]

since you have one opinion

[zealous basalt]

I don't think you are really an Alliance player with all your bs, Grine

[hollow dock]

Yea now we can say, Grine

[dense plover]

and dont actually care about any evidence

[hollow dock]

stop it

be reasonable

[dense plover]

^

[hollow dock]

You're sptting at all evidence we toss at you

Time to stop

[dense plover]

but theramore is not an argument

its fucking stupid

[fiery shale]

@dense plover You are free to tell me in the next expanstion what the alliance got to replace the lost theremore from previous expantions

[zealous basalt]

You know what?

[dense plover]

dude

[summer cobalt]

KUL TIRAS

[hollow dock]

We got the entire nation of Kul Tiras

[zealous basalt]

Fuck Theramore

[dense plover]

fuck theramore

[hollow dock]

Theramore is a small spec

of Kul Tiras

[zealous basalt]

Like seriously

[fiery shale]

@summer cobalt Horde gets a whole troll city.

[zealous basalt]

Who cares about fucking Theramore compared to the OP version of it?

[dense plover]

it was a tiny fucking outpost

[summer cobalt]

Theramore came from Kul Tiras

[fiery shale]

so its still equal

[zealous basalt]

AND WE GET

KUL TIRAS

[hollow dock]

We got the ENTIRE NAVAL CITY OF KUL TIRAS

[summer cobalt]

WHO CARES

[zealous basalt]

DUDE

[dense plover]

dude boralus isnt equivalent to dazaralor

its bigger

and more detailed

[zealous basalt]

And tbh

[dense plover]

you cant say it isnt equivalent because you dont like it

[grizzled sleet]

Theramore was planned as part of character progression of Jaina, it wasn't part of a war, it wasn't about who win orr who lose

[dense plover]

^

[fiery shale]

@dense plover I have watched videos they honestly look the same to me in terms of content

[zealous basalt]

And she got a hell of progression

[summer cobalt]

The Zandalari Tribe is dying out and messing with an old god, they'll most like die out

[dense plover]

youre wrong

beta access here

[summer cobalt]

Kul Tiras isn't

[dense plover]

youre wrong

its not an opinion

[fiery shale]

how am I wrong?

[dense plover]

dazar alor is smaller

thats how youre wrong

[fiery shale]

is it the square footage?

[dense plover]

square footage, number of npcs, unique areas

its more detailed in general

[zealous basalt]

And uniqueness of NPCs

[dense plover]

you are factually wrong

you dont get to have an opinion about facts

[hollow dock]

Kul Tiras features 3 types of human NPCs

[zealous basalt]

The people of Kul Tiras feel more alive

[hollow dock]

thin, fat, and normal

[summer cobalt]

The Kingdom of Kul Tiras covers it's entire continent, the troll place only covers a third

[hollow dock]

By comparison, Kul Tiras is a thriving port city

It's believable and very thematic

[zealous basalt]

inb4 theramore

[fiery shale]

so why do people constantly vent on youtube that their quests suck?

[zealous basalt]

grabs newpaper

[hollow dock]

Zandalar's capital is bare

[dense plover]

because clickbat grine

because clickbait

[tulip sun]

The quests are a matter of personal taste as well

[dense plover]

they complain about everything

[hollow dock]

It's bland. It' sgeneric

[dense plover]

because drama = more views

[zealous basalt]

Don't follow WoW players in youtube

shesh

Like

[hollow dock]

Don't follow Nobbel?

the hek you on Mak

[dense plover]

nobbel is good

[summer cobalt]

You can't base your experience off of someone else's

[fiery shale]

Alright. At least finally we get something.

[dense plover]

but he complained about alpha quests

[zealous basalt]

That's the worst mistake you can commit, if you want to judge WoW

[dense plover]

theyve gotten a lot better

[fiery shale]

We still did not WIN it though

[zealous basalt]

You must play WoW

[dense plover]

dude

[tulip sun]

Oh my...

[dense plover]

stop with winning

just look at the content

[tulip sun]

How about this..m

[dense plover]

and decide if its fun

if you just want to win then play the side you think is winning

[fiery shale]

Well this whole expantion is suppse to be about faction conflict right?

[tulip sun]

Maghar get a building in org, while dark iron get shadowforge.

[dense plover]

yeah

[tulip sun]

Thats a win??

[fiery shale]

So the whole thing is about winning and losing territory

[dense plover]

currently, each faction loses 1 zone

[summer cobalt]

Horde has to deal with an old god, the Alliance gets the Daughter of the friggin' Lich King

[dense plover]

horde loses lordaeron

all of the zone

[hollow dock]

Horde got Suramar and Thunder Totem

[grizzled sleet]

It's about Battle for Azeroth not entirely alliance vs horde

[dense plover]

and alliance loses teldrassil

[hollow dock]

we got a ship we can't visit and a rock in the void

[dense plover]

horde got a tiny section of those ones

not the whole zone vris

not from a lore perspective here

[summer cobalt]

We got the powers of the Light and the Void

[dense plover]

from a gameplay perspective

thats what grine is using here

[hollow dock]

Thunder Totem. You guys have that do you not? In game

[dense plover]

just the totem part

[hollow dock]

Yea. the city.

[tulip sun]

Honestly we dont have any of thunder totem

[hollow dock]

er. totem?

[dense plover]

its about the same size as telegros rift

[hollow dock]

thing

[summer cobalt]

they got a pretty city with ditsy arcana and a mountain

[tulip sun]

Bot any horde instanced or friendly parts.

[grizzled sleet]

Thunder totem is not a city

[dense plover]

and the suramar area is about the same size as the space ship

[tulip sun]

Ingame it is neutral

[hollow dock]

But we can't visit the ship

[dense plover]

again @hollow dock im speaking of gameplay perspective ok

[hollow dock]

is my issue

[dense plover]

yes you can

[tulip sun]

Ya you can

[dense plover]

lightforged can

just like only highmountain can visit their version of thunder totem

[hollow dock]

All of the horde can visit the instanced Suramar area

[dense plover]

no

[tulip sun]

HM dont even have a version

[hollow dock]

we can't visit our instanced areas.

[zealous basalt]

Eh...no?

[hollow dock]

That's what khamnin had stated.

[dense plover]

its all instanced

[zealous basalt]

Like, the instanced Suramar

[dense plover]

each faction's allied race can visit that area

[tulip sun]

Not the highmountain one e.e

[zealous basalt]

Is different from the open world suramar

[dense plover]

no other race can view it

[hollow dock]

The suramar one

[zealous basalt]

Like

[fiery shale]

The entire region is the kingdom of Lordearon.

[zealous basalt]

Realy different

[hollow dock]

is what I am talking about

[tulip sun]

The highmountain one is in the open world

[hollow dock]

Suramar

S U R A M A R

[zealous basalt]

Suramar only get

[uncut vault]

other races can go to the instanced allied race hubs via warlocks

[zealous basalt]

Like

[dense plover]

that second half isnt lordaeron

[uncut vault]

only one you cant is lightforged, because no warlocks

[zealous basalt]

Just the NightHold

But lets be honest

[fiery shale]

@dense plover sure it is in W3 it was arthas' kingdom

[dense plover]

no

[zealous basalt]

Without the Nightwell Suramar will die slowly

[summer cobalt]

No, that is Lordaeron

[dense plover]

gameplay lordaeron

just like gameplay teldrassil

the zone

not the kingdom

[zealous basalt]

I mean

[uncut vault]

Tirisfal?

[dense plover]

the kingdom has been gone since WC3

[zealous basalt]

If we go there

[hollow dock]

It won't Mak

[dense plover]

yeah tirisfal

[fiery shale]

Trisfal glades?

[dense plover]

sorry

[hollow dock]

you don't need the well

to keep the city alive

[zealous basalt]

Tirisfal is bigger than Teldrassil

[hollow dock]

that's literally why we grew the tree

[dense plover]

horde loses all of tirisfal

not just undercity

[fiery shale]

Isn't Astranaar destroyed as well?

[dense plover]

no

[summer cobalt]

The Plaguelands are controlled under the Argent Crusade, so it's neutral until the scourage has been eradicated

[dense plover]

no changes to darkshore

[fiery shale]

I saw a video that all its people were dead and the place was on fire

[dense plover]

yeah

thats the prepatch event

[hollow dock]

astranaar is in the ashenvale zone peach

[dense plover]

its not permanent

[fiery shale]

so we lost ashenvale

[dense plover]

no

[fiery shale]

I am confused

[dense plover]

gameplay wise nothing has changed there

[fiery shale]

do we get it back

[dense plover]

the only zones that are actually changed are teldrassil and tirisfal

[hollow dock]

OK here is where the story

and the game

separate Grine

[dense plover]

^

[hollow dock]

Storywise

no

we lost it

its gone

but

in game

[grizzled sleet]

Horde was just passing by it, they didn't control Ashenvale

[hollow dock]

it's still there

They do mim. The alliance has no proper foothold on ashenvale right now. Astranaar is destroyed.

[dense plover]

just like storywise, horde also loses silverpine and probably any remaining hold on gilneas

[summer cobalt]

no, storywise, AShenvale and Darkshore are still being fought over

[fiery shale]

@grizzled sleet if they can pass by with impunity then they own it.

[hollow dock]

^

the night elves are fighting a guerilla war

you dont fight that war

if you control the area

[grizzled sleet]

But later alliance characters come and kill horde NPCs there

[hollow dock]

Yes its a guerilla war

[uncut vault]

Well, according to the mission tables, night elves take back maestras post and forest song

[hollow dock]

OK thank you port

I asked that ages ago

[fiery shale]

@uncut vault How many tents did we conquer back? lol

[zealous basalt]

Get your tents

and stick them on your...

[grizzled sleet]

snitties

[fiery shale]

@zealous basalt there were not that many so they fit right in.

[summer cobalt]

in your*

[fiery shale]

i am joking btw

so are there new horde forts in ashenvale?

[tulip sun]

I told you they took back places

[hollow dock]

notin game

I asked you several times and you never answered

sorry that I dont take that as truth

[uncut vault]

Whats funny is, even just from cata, horde already has better fortification in ashenvale than the night elves ever did

[summer cobalt]

There are no new forts established in AShenvale or Darkshore

Don't bring up cata

[uncut vault]

splintertree and the warsong camp along are strong, but zoram'gar is a full on mini-fort

[summer cobalt]

That'll encourage him

[zealous basalt]

Look what at you did Port

[fiery shale]

@uncut vault I always wondered how poor feeble horde (allegedly) managed to built all those giant forts all around the globe even in Alliance territory while the alliance is still using tents and ruins.

[hollow dock]

the night elves never needed strong fortifications because nature is supposed to be helping them

[fiery shale]

@hollow dock nature can kiss my ass so far for 4 expantions it has not done shit lol

[zealous basalt]

You and your fucking tents

[grizzled sleet]

Where did the NPC selling Gilneas tabard go after the burning?

[uncut vault]

It did plenty in cata

[zealous basalt]

Prolly sw

[uncut vault]

just never to help the alliance

at all

[zealous basalt]

Its neutral

[uncut vault]

coughcenariuswasadisgracecough

[zealous basalt]

Ye

Fuck Cen and Malf

[hollow dock]

Looking at you Goldrinn.

[summer cobalt]

Tyrande, where are you, my love

pitiful

[uncut vault]

like, I get why they didnt want to have the wild gods involved in war of the thorns, because by all logic the alliance would roflstomp the horde but

they could have given like, one line of reasoning

[zealous basalt]

"Ur mum"

[uncut vault]

some bullshit like "malfurion has no time to travel and rally them to our cause"

[summer cobalt]

"no u"

[grizzled sleet]

or "Malfurion died"

[zealous basalt]

The only thing fucking Cenarius did was

Being bait for Malf

[summer cobalt]

Malfurion didn't die

[zealous basalt]

And get Ysera killed

[summer cobalt]

yet

[grizzled sleet]

I know

[zealous basalt]

Will trade Malf and Cen for Ysera back

who with me

[uncut vault]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EitgtZd4s4

[grizzled sleet]

He better not die before they update his model

[fiery shale]

Guys i found the new screenshots for the new Darnasus

look at its glory

[uncut vault]

I mean

thats more night elven than the crap theyre getting

at least its got night elven tents and a moonwell

night elves are living with pumpkins in BfA

next to the embassy

[zealous basalt]

kek

Suits well

[uncut vault]

wait no, its watermelons I think

gotta show off all that druidic power

and grow large fruits

[summer cobalt]

does it really matter?

[fiery shale]

its ironic that we dont get this instead but the horde does.

Love it.

[hollow dock]

to be fair

[zealous basalt]

Eh

I mean

[hollow dock]

that's not hte part of the city

that the horde gets

but it's close

[zealous basalt]

If you want a city that has story of corruption

Go ahead

[fiery shale]

I just want less tents and more sturdy constructions.

[summer cobalt]

Because throughout the suramar questline, Thalryssra is more close to Liadrin and the Horde than Tyrande and the Alliance

[grizzled sleet]

I hope murlocs invade Suramar

[zealous basalt]

Well

Blame Tyrande there

[hollow dock]

Why

she's not there to win allies

she's there to win a war

[summer cobalt]

You have humans, dwarves, gnomes, draenei, worgen, kul tirans, void elves, lightforged, Dark Irons

[hollow dock]

and Kul tirans

can't forget them

[zealous basalt]

She could at least be less bitchy

[hollow dock]

Why would she

[zealous basalt]

But you are right

[hollow dock]

All of Suramar

turned thei rback on her

Her home

he rbirth place

Her family

turned their back on her

[zealous basalt]

2 bad

[summer cobalt]

then horde only has Goblins, Belfs, and Nightborne

[hollow dock]

She has ever right to be bitchy

[zealous basalt]

Tbh She deserves anything after that reply to Illidank

[grizzled sleet]

Even after all she accepted to come and help them

[summer cobalt]

Talk about a grudge

[hollow dock]

Yup. She would save Suramar to stop the legion from having a third well of power and nothing more

[fiery shale]

if this expantion is about horde and alliance joining hands again I will be so pissed. Enough of this Kumbaya bullshit.

[zealous basalt]

OOF

[grizzled sleet]

All this time, Jaina was fighting demons alone, she was on a private server, doing world quests

[zealous basalt]

covers from Vris-chan

[hollow dock]

I agree Grine

[zealous basalt]

i thought you were pro peace

[hollow dock]

But I just wan the horde and alliance dispersed

[zealous basalt]

talk about bias

[hollow dock]

that way we can have peace

[zealous basalt]

BIAS I SAID

[grizzled sleet]

NO PEACE, ONLY PEACH, @dense plover

[summer cobalt]

Honestly, the Horde and the Alliance might have to set aside their differences to fight united against the Void or whatnot.

[hollow dock]

nah

they won't

and you know that

[zealous basalt]

Then

Let themselves be conquered

Or purged

[summer cobalt]

Hence why it's called Battle for Azeroth. We aren't fighting over Azeroth, we're fighting for her

[fiery shale]

I am just waiting until one side wipes the other off in a genocide so we can end this game on a good note.

[hollow dock]

wait until the end of time then

[summer cobalt]

That'll be a long time

[hollow dock]

cuz this game is still making money

so the faction war will continue

[summer cobalt]

They wanna milk this cash cow dry

[hollow dock]

cuz gotta juice that money out

[fiery shale]

well the horde can go back to their internment camps for the next expansion 😛

[grizzled sleet]

Captain Delaryn Summermoon : We must defeat the Horde and their vile warchief, though it might cost us that which we hold most dear.
Captain Delaryn Summermoon says: Excellent work! I'll have my alchemists store the Azerite somewhere out of the Horde's reach.

I found this on MMOC, so she's the one who will burn teldrassil ?

[dense plover]

WHY HATH YOU SUMMONED ME YOU IMPETOUS FOOL

[zealous basalt]

"ur mum"

I am up for Azerite explosion

[summer cobalt]

"no u"

[grizzled sleet]

People also says the the yellow things are azerite put on the tree

[hollow dock]

its not

those ARE LIGHTS

[uncut vault]

pretty sure the yellow is just lights, cause its nighttime, and all of the world tree is populated

[grizzled sleet]

based on this "Captain Delaryn Summermoon says: Excellent work! I'll have my alchemists store the Azerite somewhere out of the Horde's reach."

[summer cobalt]

might be wisps

[hollow dock]

do rememebr

[summer cobalt]

yellow wisps

[hollow dock]

the world tree is a HOME

[zealous basalt]

Why don't we have

That Teldrassil

[hollow dock]

those are LIGHTS from peoples HOMES

[zealous basalt]

The only time we will get that Teldrassil

Will be as a skybox :c

[hollow dock]

Mim is reaching for any possible reason the alliance woul dhave burned down the tree

[uncut vault]

cause blizz needed to make the illusion of a big tree in vanilla, but making a loadable model that big was impossible back then, so they used the draw distance to make it look like a big trunk

[zealous basalt]

Sylvnas glasses it with Azerite

Then it go booms

[summer cobalt]

Honestly, I bet the Alliance will burn it down

[dense plover]

maybe jaina does it

like the horde might want to attack lordanel

[zealous basalt]

Someone had a thing about Tyrande burning it

[uncut vault]

at this point, my best guesses are Azshara, cause stirring conflict, or Nathanos, overzealously obeying Sylvanas, hence their odd conversation on the boat in zuldazar

it wont be jaina

[dense plover]

then jaina moves the weapon to teldrassil

[uncut vault]

thats a dumb theory

[hollow dock]

Why would Jaina do it

[grizzled sleet]

Not the alliance, maybe night elves or some of them without telling the others

[hollow dock]

Jaina's not even there

[dense plover]

in order to get the horde to be hated

she might be

we dont know

[zealous basalt]

Jaina is

[uncut vault]

shes the LEAST likely person to ever do that

[hollow dock]

that's alliance mim

[zealous basalt]

at her Warbringer stuff

[dense plover]

im just throwing out theories

[summer cobalt]

OR IT COULD BE THAT SMUGGLER

[dense plover]

it being the horde doesnt make much sense

[hollow dock]

IF

[zealous basalt]

y not?

[hollow dock]

and only IF

[zealous basalt]

ur biased

biased

[hollow dock]

you take sylvanas at face value

which you shouldn't

[dense plover]

why go to capture something and bring a capture force

[uncut vault]

she explicitly had a moment in tides of war where she realized that no matter the enemy, innocent people do not deserve to be mass murdered like what her people faced at theramore

[hollow dock]

especially after before the storm

[dense plover]

if you dont plan to capture

[hollow dock]

Again Peach

[grizzled sleet]

@hollow dock but when you burn a tree without telling other alliance members like Malfurion, Tyrande..... then it's not 100% alliance who burned

[hollow dock]

Sylvanas

at face value

You're still an alliance member

[dense plover]

look

[hollow dock]

burning down the tree

[dense plover]

i dont want to discuss it

[hollow dock]

that's still alliance doing it

[dense plover]

we will see tuesday

[hollow dock]

Then don't toss theories into it

:p

[summer cobalt]

GUYS

[dense plover]

we will never agree

[summer cobalt]

GUYS

[uncut vault]

inb4 its malganis in a tortollan disguise

[hollow dock]

LOL

[summer cobalt]

What if it's you who burns it down?

[hollow dock]

I'd play horde if its that ridiculous port

and it's not

we're on darkshore

both factions

when the burning happens

[zealous basalt]

Im kinda

You know

[uncut vault]

horde player is beside sylvanas, alliance player is flying over on tyrande's hippogryph

[zealous basalt]

2/4

Because at the time it burns

[grizzled sleet]

Captain Delaryn Summermoon : We must defeat the Horde and their vile warchief, though it might cost us that which we hold most dear.

I think it's her, she also dies after doing it

[zealous basalt]

Saurfang

Drives an axe on Malf

And Tyrande even says "oh noes, it is burning"

[uncut vault]

shes pretty near death in the first, pre-burning shot already

hard to order an assault with arrows through your chest

[bronze oasis]

Does anyone know about the Uldir raid test today? Is it on Beta servers or on PTR?

[grizzled sleet]

@uncut vault she planned it, whn you complete a world quest colleccting azerite she says : Captain Delaryn Summermoon says: Excellent work! I'll have my alchemists store the Azerite somewhere out of the Horde's reach.

She was doing something with Azerite maybe

[summer cobalt]

Delaryn going rogue?

Not the first time a nelf went rogue

[zealous basalt]

I mean

[hollow dock]

Theres no other times a normal night elf

went rogue

[zealous basalt]

Idk if she has enough cash to do the class change

[grizzled sleet]

If she was just a random night elve dying there, why would they put her in the 2 Teldrassil arts

[zealous basalt]

becuz

she isn't random

[uncut vault]

because she's sylvanas' sylvanas

[summer cobalt]

cordana felsong

[uncut vault]

she's for the arthas parallels

[hollow dock]

Cordana was corrupted by the Legion tho

[summer cobalt]

That's going rogue technically

Going against the plan

the establishment

[hollow dock]

She didn't do it willingly

is my point

Delaryn would.

Which is hugely out of character

[grizzled sleet]

Cordana just fulfilled her destiny "felsong"

[summer cobalt]

Cordana chose to join the legion

[hollow dock]

After being corrupted by them

[terse patrol]

Cordana didnt deserve it reeeee

[grizzled sleet]

She joined the legion because of her last name

[terse patrol]

why the heck did they leave the EVIL ORB unprotected

[hollow dock]

they didn't

[terse patrol]

just for it to corrupt her

[summer cobalt]

god DAMNIT Khadgar

[hollow dock]

Cordana was supposed to dispose of it

but ghoulish daniel got to her first

[terse patrol]

BS, the Kirin Tor should have done it

[hollow dock]

She stepped in to dispose of it not wanting to endanger Khadgar to the Legion's corruption

[summer cobalt]

Khadgar and the Kirin Tor weren't together iirc

[hollow dock]

thinking she and her elune stuff was strong enough to resist

[summer cobalt]

back then at least

[zealous basalt]

Khadgar ninjaed Jaina's leadership

[summer cobalt]

In Legion, not WoD

[uncut vault]

honestly with the background we got in Legion, wardens are the best people for disposing of fel stuff

[terse patrol]

Anyhow, Alliance characters seem to love going evil or going neutral.

And the Horde complain about a couple warchiefs

[hollow dock]

they are

but Ghoulish Daniel was just stronger

[summer cobalt]

who's daniel?

WAIT

nvm

[terse patrol]

The Alliance lose WAY more characters than the Horde.

[summer cobalt]

i get it

[hollow dock]

Ghoulish Daniel is the name I've given Gul'dan cuz I play hots and that's just his name over there

[terse patrol]

Amber Kearnen never forget

Killed offscreen

[hollow dock]

never forgetti Amber

[summer cobalt]

TOO SOON

[terse patrol]

“BUT MUH VOLJIN”

[hollow dock]

"but muh wayrchef"

[summer cobalt]

"but my king"

[grizzled sleet]

But, does it really matter who burned the tree?

[hollow dock]

not really

but people get defensive over it

so its fun

[summer cobalt]

grabs marshmellows

[grizzled sleet]

Horde attacked, they did what they did, it doesn't matter who burned now

[terse patrol]

Maraad, Cordana, Amber, admiral taylor, Varian,

[uncut vault]

remember how maraad died to balance out orgrim

despite orgrim being a villain

[summer cobalt]

Cordana wasn't alliance

[hollow dock]

it doesn't but you keep butting in trying to place it on the alliance :p

[terse patrol]

yes she was

[grizzled sleet]

[summer cobalt]

Orgrim?

[terse patrol]

she was alliance before “muh evil orb”

[summer cobalt]

She was part of the Wardens

they're neutral

[hollow dock]

Wardens are apart of the Night Elf society and thus are apart of the alliance.

[uncut vault]

nah wardens are an alliance group, they allowed the aid of horde in the same way the kirin tor did in legion

because bigger threats rose up

[grizzled sleet]

either wardens are alliance or they are friendly with alliance

[summer cobalt]

not all night elves are part of the alliance

[grizzled sleet]

they can't be neutral

[hollow dock]

Yes all night elves are apart of the alliance at this stage

[summer cobalt]

They are neutral

[hollow dock]

Nope

the Wardens are an alliance group.

[summer cobalt]

They want to protect Azeroth, they don't care about the faction war

[hollow dock]

them not caring or not doesn't change that they are apart of the Night elf people. Tyrande's rule extends over them

which yes

makes them under the alliance

[terse patrol]

^

The Alliance is always losing people though.

[summer cobalt]

Tyrande doesn't rule over the Wardens

[terse patrol]

Everyone the Horde lost in Warlords were inconsequential alt-universe characters.

[summer cobalt]

They exists only for themselves and the defense of Azeroth

[terse patrol]

uhm

[hollow dock]

She does over Maiev and Maiev, as far as I am aware, is the leader of the wardens

[terse patrol]

Yes, Tyrande and Malfurion rule over all Night Elves.

This includes Maiev.

[zealous basalt]

But not Illidank

[grizzled sleet]

Illidan is a demon

[terse patrol]

The Wardens are literally the jailers of Night Elf society.

Not “neutral society.”

[summer cobalt]

Tyrande and Malf don't rule over all the nelfs

[zealous basalt]

He could 1v2 both Malf and Tyrande, what you all think?

[hollow dock]

yes they do Jerro

the only 'night elves' they didn't rule over were those like the Shen-drala

and those got wiped out back in vanilla

[summer cobalt]

If they did, then they would rule over ALL the elves

[terse patrol]

The Wardens are who Tyrande sends after night elf criminals.

[hollow dock]

No

No they wouldn't Jerro

Night elf

Kaldorei

is a race of people

[summer cobalt]

Yes, because all elves descend from Night elves

[hollow dock]

...

[terse patrol]

<_>

[zealous basalt]

wat was that

[hollow dock]

No

not true

at all

[grizzled sleet]

@zealous basalt do you want to know what would happen if Illidan try to do so?

[hollow dock]

Thrall ruled over all the orcs

[terse patrol]

wat

[zealous basalt]

Oof

[hollow dock]

That doens't mean he ruled over the fuckign ogres

[zealous basalt]

What does happen

[hollow dock]

because yes

[summer cobalt]

No he didn't

[hollow dock]

Orcs came from ogres

OK so what about Mar'gok

he rules over the ogres

but not the orcs

all orcs came from ogres

🤔

[terse patrol]

Vry’kul rule over humans. 🤔

[summer cobalt]

On Azeroth, Thrall ruled over the majority of orcs, but not on dreanor

[hollow dock]

Odin rules ove rhte Vrykul

Odin rules over all humans confirmed?

[terse patrol]

Odyn rules over Stormwind confirmed

Odyn leads the Alliance.

[hollow dock]

Like

you do realize

the Quel'dorei

are a different species

to the Kaldorei

right?

[zealous basalt]

Does someone

[hollow dock]

they are a different person

[summer cobalt]

They were oncce all the same night elve

It's called Evolution

[hollow dock]

That doens't matter

at all

[summer cobalt]

look it up

[grizzled sleet]

@zealous basalt this https://gfycat.com/MadeupThoughtfulBlacklemur

[hollow dock]

that doesn't matter

at

[zealous basalt]

Still have that image where shit goes wrong with Thalysra, Jaina, some oc and Odyn?

[hollow dock]

all

What they used to be

doesn't matter

at

all

[zealous basalt]

...I don't know what is worse

The gank

or that 1080p quality image

[grizzled sleet]

or both

[summer cobalt]

Same thing applies to the Wardens, they were once part of Night Elven society, but now they are renegades that protect the world

[hollow dock]

no

they werne't

they aren't

at all

[grizzled sleet]

Is Kirin Tor neutral now that Jaina left?

[hollow dock]

Please learn the lore properly. The Wardens were made to house enemies of the night elves and azeroth.They act as the police to take away the most dangerous criminals THE NIGHT ELVES find

Kirin tor has been neutral since legion

where have you been

[zealous basalt]

...

Vris

you might have to edit there

[summer cobalt]

Okay fine, but I still don't consider Cordana part of the alliance

[grizzled sleet]

So if Jaina return to the Kirin Tor it won't be neutral ?

[terse patrol]

“The mysterious wardens serve as the night elves' special police force in Kalimdor.[1] They are elite members of the Watchers, the jailors and marshalls of night elf society,[2] to the point that the highest rank that can be bestowed on a Watcher is the one of warden.[3] Set apart from the militant Sentinels, wardens are usually employed as jailors, assassins, and bounty hunters.[1]”

[hollow dock]

if jaina somehow is leader of the Kirin Tor

she would have to vote

to get them back in the alliance

she wouldn't win that vote

[zealous basalt]

Besides

I dont think

She would really want to be part of the Kirin tor again

[hollow dock]

nah she wouldn't

they'd work with the horde

she aint about that life

[summer cobalt]

Besides, she's got home now

[terse patrol]

Malfurion was neutral in Cataclysm

[zealous basalt]

I kinda want her and kalec to go back

[terse patrol]

this means he wasnt in the alliance!!!

[grizzled sleet]

But they are always "the council of six" shouldn't they rename themselves?

[summer cobalt]

no shit, that's because he was clearly part of the alliance prior to that

[terse patrol]

....

[grizzled sleet]

If Kalec dies they will be 4

The council of four

[zealous basalt]

why the fuck

[grizzled sleet]

If Khadgar travel somewhere they will be 3

[zealous basalt]

do you want dragon boi to die

[terse patrol]

All Cordana was was Khadgars bodyguard.

So if an Alliance member is hired to protect a neutral person, they are no longer Alliance?

[summer cobalt]

They were never alliance in the first place...