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dense plover
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Could be part of a secret, or he might have a drop for an old item that was readded

uncut vault
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my current theory is that he's one of the quest guys for the island expedition quests

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like wrathions agent

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but Im not sure

ripe rivet
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Hey, quick question: Are Island Expeditions going to compete with M+ in items dropped there? I mean are they going to be worth it to spammed like M+ dungeons for gearing?

uncut vault
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As far as I know, you do islands for azerite, not gear

clever ember
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I think you get gear/tmogs from the island expedition too. Not 100% sure on that though.

uncut vault
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you do get mogs

true matrix
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mogs? eyesgif

uncut vault
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the assless thing I showed earlier

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all the sets of vrykul armor are obtainable via island expeditions

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along with a LOT of weapons

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just search plundered in any category

cunning vapor
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do we get any more info at any point of the events between the end of the book and the start of the prepatch material?

uncut vault
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There arent many events

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continued tension up until Sylvanas mounts her attack

cunning vapor
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k, thanks

hollow dock
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It's almost like a week passes between those events and the next starts up

hollow dock
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how is that morally grey?...

zealous basalt
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...I dont want to kill you but I will?

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Wot in tarnation

hollow dock
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"I'm not sorry for what I had to do, but I am sorry I had to do it."

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Do you understand that line?

zealous basalt
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Why you dont want to kill him

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He is freaking invading

hollow dock
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because they're not murder hobos like us

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Believe it or not, most soldiers do not want to kill

sullen dagger
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^

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but eh, sylvannas actions are "morally grey"

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joke of the friggin year

summer cobalt
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Believe it or no, living beings don't wanna take away someone's life*

terse patrol
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The Forsaken assassin enemies on the Alliance side are true edgelords

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“HEHEHE DEAAATHHHH”

zealous basalt
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Oof

summer cobalt
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so on the horde side of the War of the Thorns, Saurfang and Nathanos talk about some smuggler in Felwood, who is that?

plain vigil
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Hmmmmmm 🤔

hollow dock
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The meso-american influenced culture looks like the meso-american influenced loa?

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shocking

summer cobalt
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Think he's trying to connect Rastakan to Hakkar, the Blood Loa

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like they are one being or the like

hollow dock
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But we know they aren't.

summer cobalt
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but do we 🤔

hollow dock
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Yes. We do. Hakkar is currently off in the shadowlands

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Dead. Sorta.

plain vigil
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Nah I just think he's wearing hakkar's body :p

summer cobalt
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but he could have an outside link with Rastakhan

hollow dock
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that's an interesting idea

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to say the least.

plain vigil
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Mesoamerican culture, warriors wore the skins of animals to gain their atributes. Jaguars for example, was for speed and strength.

summer cobalt
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final boss of bfa isn't azshara or some old god, it's a corrupted blood plague

hollow dock
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Well the feathers do match. But where would he have gotten those feathers from?

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We know 100% it's not azshara

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she's the second raids final boss

summer cobalt
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I know, but I can't think of any other boss that could show up

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it's late

hollow dock
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:p

plain vigil
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Either the first of second time we killed hakkar

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Well patch 8.2 is 100% missing a raid boss

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Unless we get dragon isles

hollow dock
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Not really :p

sharp bluff
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No idea on the smuggler Dondo

hollow dock
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We dont even know what 8.2 is going to be about

plain vigil
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Right

hollow dock
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let alone think about the third raids bosses

plain vigil
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Hense why it's missing a final boss

hollow dock
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Well yea but why would Dragon Isles solve that

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is my question

plain vigil
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Well

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We still have to watch Nozdormu create the infinite dragonflight

summer cobalt
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and whatever wrathion's up to

plain vigil
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We also see possible conflict in Western plaugelands, and between bolvar and RDF

summer cobalt
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rdf?

plain vigil
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Red Dragonflight

summer cobalt
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I could see Bolvar popping up

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In fact, I bet on it that Bolvar will pop up in BfA

hollow dock
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Why in the westernplague lands?

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there are no reds there

plain vigil
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Well dragon isles is smack dab in the middle of The litch king and the Red dragonshrine. (Not an answer to vris's question)

hollow dock
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Uh

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no it isn't

plain vigil
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Because of the revamp of the tomb

hollow dock
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Oh dragon shrine

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misread that

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my bad

plain vigil
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S'all good

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I clarified :3

hollow dock
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In which, I just gotta ask why the Western Plaguelands? That's Silver Hand territory, now alliance, and with the efforts started in cataclysm, most outside of the heavy areas like Stratholme are certainly cleansed by now

plain vigil
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RDF's area is in the hinterlands.

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Yea Uther's tomb was revamped is all

hollow dock
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Highlands. the Twilight Highlands. Not the hinterlands

plain vigil
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Eh it's like in the mountains between them but yeah

summer cobalt
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the area between those two is arathi

hollow dock
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The Vermillion Rebout is to the north of the HIghlands. The Hinterlands is to the South

summer cobalt
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it's definitely the Twilight Highlands

plain vigil
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Hm maybe i have my map confused

summer cobalt
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No, the Hinterland is way north of the Highlands

plain vigil
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Ah got the trees confused

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Thqt explains it

summer cobalt
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From north to south is Sunwell > Silvermoon > EPL > Hinterlands > Arathi > Highlands > then like swamps and stuff, idk > Dark Portal

plain vigil
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Yea

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I just got the trees confused

summer cobalt
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i know, there's a lot of them

plain vigil
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They're also on the same latituxe so it adds to the confusion

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Yo man stop aith the sass

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It was an honest mistake. Got two major dragon areas confused. Chill

summer cobalt
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Nah, I get ya, I'm just tired. I honestly forgot that the tree existed in Highland too

plain vigil
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It's where you fight the nightmare drakes in emerald nightmare raid

rare spear
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a small and simple question: as horde how do i get from ogrimmar to the new bfa zones? I am done in silithus but it seems to just stop there

sullen dagger
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Switching to alliance

terse patrol
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@rare spear BFA hasn’t launched yet.

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Go to the Darkshore content.

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do*

rare spear
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i have beta access , so it should be possible somehow

terse patrol
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You’re in beta?

rare spear
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i just have no idea where the whole thing continues

terse patrol
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Go back to your capital.

rare spear
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mhm, sylvanas has nothing to tell me

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hero board has lowlevel stuff

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and the only thing i see is the pet stuff near the tower

sharp bluff
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are you on live servers? or beta servers?

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sorry just double checking

rare spear
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i have started the beta.exe so i assume this isn't live 😉

sharp bluff
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Been awhile but it should just give you a quest right off the bat for it

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I forget if it is a ship or portal to get there though

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after the intro

zealous basalt
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ok

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some of this flavor text is just too sad to read

hollow dock
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why?

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thought you were happy with all this wanton death and destruction :p

zealous basalt
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I am happy with this death and destruction

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Makes the game interesting for most

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But some text caught me offguard

gaunt helm
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

restive sage
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why is jaina's hair gray/white if shes young

zealous basalt
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It's arcane

restive sage
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😮

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whaaaaat?

zealous basalt
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I don't recall the exact reason, but the mana bomb did that to her

restive sage
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is she sad about it 😦

grizzled sleet
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But some part of her hairs turned super saiyan

hollow dock
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OK slayer

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the reason her hair is Grey is because of what happened at Theramore

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the mana bomb dropped and Rhonin pushed her out of a portal to save her life

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the residual mana in the air was so potent that it changed her hair grey as the explosion backlashed through the portal.

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Leaving only a strand of her hair yellow

tropic trail
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She got a free hair bleach

hollow dock
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It's not old age, its magic

grizzled sleet
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Around 5 days and Teldrassil will burn 😢

hollow dock
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Nope

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never burns for me

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cuz the war is dumb

tropic trail
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So are the horde

grizzled sleet
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The burning horde?

tropic trail
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GLORY TO THE KAL'DOREI

hollow dock
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AH YES

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THE KAL'DOREI

grizzled sleet
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FOR NAZJATAR

tropic trail
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ISHNU'ALAH MOTHERFUCKERS

strange falcon
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ISHNU'ALAH WEARY TRAVELER

tropic trail
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Pulls out Elven minigun

grizzled sleet
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So, Lady S'theno will certainly be a boss with Azshara ?

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or not?

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Isn't she affiliated with Azshara?

zealous basalt
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wgi agaub

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who again?

grizzled sleet
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Lady S'theno murloc

hollow dock
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S'theno is with the illidari

tropic trail
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^

hollow dock
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She may have been told to go to her by Vashj, but otherwise she holds no real ties to Azshara anymore

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not after 20+ years in the Twisting Nether

tropic trail
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The only ties she really has anymore is the fact that she's a wasser snek

grizzled sleet
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Do we know anyone who is supposed to be a boss with Azshara or all of them will be new things?

hollow dock
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nope

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just that Azshara is the final or second to final boss in that second raid

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we know nothing more

zealous basalt
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We are Jon Snow atm

tropic trail
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DKs are Jon Snow

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You die then think you stay dead

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But surprise

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You come back the next season

grizzled sleet
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DHs are Jon Snow

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They sacrificied eveything for... nothing

tropic trail
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You will be known as the king who sacrificed everything for nothing.

zealous basalt
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For the Alliance

hollow dock
zealous basalt
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Fucking Varian almost died changing of specs underwater

grizzled sleet
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He died because he didn't repair his armor

tropic trail
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He was trying to set up his keybinds

solar vapor
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YO

hollow dock
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hi

solar vapor
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Lord Admiral Jaina Proudmore

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TAELIA FORDRAGON

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the BFA alliance campaign is going to be fuckin lit

hollow dock
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I mean.

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it's ENDING is

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sure

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the rest ofit

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not so much

solar vapor
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Aw fuck

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hey maybe the ending will lead into some great future content

hollow dock
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It better

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because the horde essentailly breaks Kul Tiras wide open

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and the all the alliance does is rambo a bomb in Zandalar

sharp bluff
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Don’t forget they couldn’t catch a fat overweight Goblin

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Who both sides (players) want dead

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I really wanted him dead...

tropic trail
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I dunno

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He seems very one dimensional for me

sharp bluff
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Well he is a goblin

tulip sun
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Well, to be fair

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A raid is planned for the alliance in Zuldazar

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To capture or kill Rastakhan

hollow dock
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and you know that fails

tulip sun
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It didnt even happen yet....

hollow dock
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You know it fails

tulip sun
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No, i dont

hollow dock
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We all do.

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Horde will get what it wants

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alliance never really gets anything done

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but somehow the horde loses in the end

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???

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profit

sharp bluff
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Well no, it might work Vris, would give the Daughter a chance to take power

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And a reason to fight

hollow dock
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they're already allies of the horde

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as of the end of the questing area

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what more reason to fight do you need than that

sharp bluff
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Cause doesn’t she just want Zandalar to be safe?

hollow dock
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She does

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but the horde is at war

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you don't sit out of a war when you're allied with a nation at war

sharp bluff
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Or am I remembering wrong?

rich apex
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what do you mean everyone isn't just sitting out of the war

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because they (presumably) don't like sylvie

tulip sun
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They want ti take out rasta in similar fashion to horde takijg out malfurion

sharp bluff
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but we didn't take out Malfurion?

tulip sun
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Same concept i mean

sharp bluff
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🤔 I think I follow?

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So alliance has the chance to kill him, but don't?

tulip sun
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No, one sec

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The plan is to kill him to make the kaldorei not fight occupation, to avoid them fighting the war. The alliance wants to capture/kill Rasta so the Zandalari do not fight the war.

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Kinds the same

sharp bluff
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🤔 I guess that would depend on how war-happy Jaina goes

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but i see your point

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that sounds interesting

uncut vault
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I mean, it’s likely that he does die. Talanji is the leader of the Zandalari that’s being propped up, if he doesn’t die to the Alliance, he’ll die of old age

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I hope Blizz does the former to give the Alliance stuff to do in this war

sharp bluff
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Depends on how much power he lost from Dino Loa dying I guess

tulip sun
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I wish he would just retire, but he likely will die somehow.

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He has been talked about so much

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And shows up to die :(

hollow dock
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thats

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not the plan of the horde

zealous basalt
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DEATH

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DESTRUCTION

hollow dock
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they wanted to hit the kaldorei to make the alliance not fight

zealous basalt
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LOK TAR OGAR

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Too bad it just awakens the beast

hollow dock
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Think more like Pearl Harbor

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that's basically what the horde does to the alliance

restive sage
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meanies

tropic trail
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FOR KALIMDOR

ruby star
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@uncut vault I honestly prefer him to Talanji, He is pretty badass, but either way If He dies I hope the Alliance kill him

uncut vault
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I like em both. I mainly like Talanji because I am so happy they didnt do the stereotypical "dad is old and dumb, daughter is dainty and wants peaceful change in the world" stuff

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no turns out dad knows whats up just fine

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talanji will kill what she wants to protect her kingdom, even go to war

ruby star
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I want to kill Talanji

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Troll scum

tulip sun
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Nah, Talanji is great

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But Rastakhan is a large person to get rid of

hollow dock
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How about we just let the void win

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and start a new universe

ruby star
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Sure why not

sharp bluff
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So your saying we should pull a Warhammer Vris?

zealous basalt
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How do you get airdrops?

uncut vault
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theyre random, I havent seen a single one so far

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you can hear the (really damn annoying) flying machines around darkshore though

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so they are gonna spawn

grizzled sleet
tropic trail
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Fucking Nomi

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smh

sharp bluff
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Lmao I knew it!

zealous basalt
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So

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atm we have to grab 100 azerite

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Can we redeem them later for one level up with the Heart :D?

tropic trail
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No

zealous basalt
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fuc

restive sage
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omg i JUST FIGURED OUT A MAJOR SECRET

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I DONT THINK ITS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE BETA

frigid crater
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👀

agile token
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@restive sage well?

jade basalt
tropic trail
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Get gabbin' or get goin'.

restive sage
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sorry but i frogot

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forgot

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:C

agile token
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???

forest tartan
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Lights bad m'kay

sour burrow
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<@&299347348847329281> Inappropriate trolling - Bv-Slayer

elder otter
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eh.... that's arguable. I don't think any harm was intended.

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...and its hours later.

uncut vault
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He does it a lot

sullen dagger
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Morning

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Why call the mods for that man?

tropic trail
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Because it happens too often.

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And good night.

tropic trail
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MOOODDSS

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MODS !

sullen dagger
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you need @ first

shadow ore
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oh that is nice

hollow dock
zealous basalt
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Ri

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Ei

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Porter

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Do Zandalari trolls have new animations or are the same of mop

whole onyx
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What the

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There's no Alliance banner for Vulture's Nest quest

whole onyx
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Along with Mugamba's Outlook as well :/

hollow dock
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Yea. Theyre infiltration cam0s

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Camps

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Not invasion camps

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So no banners

steep eagle
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will vulpera become allied race?

rich apex
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Maybe (TM)

rich apex
strange falcon
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yeah,at least sethrak discord has more than the HE one(if i remember correctly)

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but yes the vulpera discord is closing in to 1500 people,it's the biggest "unannounced allied race" discord right now

rich apex
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oh boy

hollow dock
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careful.Might fall to the same thing the helf discord did

rich apex
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I mean I'd bet on Allied high elves before sethrak too, tbh

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But still

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1500 person discord for a race that isn't confirmed

terse patrol
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We need to kill Horde filth.

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@hollow dock

hollow dock
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I saw.

terse patrol
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REEEEE

hollow dock
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Jus tsayin what I've been sayin since day 1

sullen dagger
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^

terse patrol
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Pick convinced me to roll a nelf hunter tho

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Pic*

rich apex
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s e a s o n o f w a r

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Shame I have too many active RP characters as is and can't squeeze in a nelf

hollow dock
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tucks very packed folder of 129 active characters into the couch. yea. Shame

sullen dagger
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129 characters?

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do you level all of them?

hollow dock
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They're not on live. :p

sullen dagger
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beta?

hollow dock
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Nope

night swift
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Private Server?

hollow dock
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yup

night swift
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Gotcha

zealous basalt
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Oof

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Vris chan said the p word

hollow dock
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I never said it

zealous basalt
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Wait

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Ur right

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Jhock said the p word

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Call the 🅱 olice

steep eagle
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is it confirmed there will be more allied races

hollow dock
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yes

steep eagle
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😮

hollow dock
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Kul tiran and Zandalari are slated next

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After that, no confirmations

steep eagle
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oh ye expect for those

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ah darn

hollow dock
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Vulpera and Sethrak seem likely

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as they recieved a lot of attention

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but not confirmed

steep eagle
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y i heard vulpera has all their animations worked out and armor fits on them on wowhead or something

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i even read somewhere vulpera had more animations made for them then some races now have

rich apex
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Ain't nothing confirmed yet beyond KTs and Zandas in (probably) 8.1

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But fairly likely of more

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Smart to not get hyped about vulpera until they're actually confirmed, reasonable suspicion they will be regardless 😛

terse patrol
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Junker Gnomes seem likely.

hollow dock
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Please show me where this race called "Junker Gnomes" exist. Because there's no evidence that "Junker Gnomes" exist

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anywhere

grizzled sleet
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@zealous basalt
So
atm we have to grab 100 azerite
Can we redeem them later for one level up with the Heart :D?

They are going to be used to burn Teldrassil murloc

zealous basalt
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Oof

hollow dock
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theyre not

terse patrol
hollow dock
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unused maps

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really?

terse patrol
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Junker Gnome Caverns - Prototype

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Plus, the Rusted Vault which got renamed to the (Something) Junkyard.

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Which is in game

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The questline investigating the disappearance of the local gnomes.

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Ignoring the signs is just being ignorant.

hollow dock
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this datamining is nearly 6 months old

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that map is unused

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the questline is about the KUL TIRAN gnomes that disappeared

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and as Quiet pointed out, they've gone issing since around the third war

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the Junkyard is not where thye lived. that used to be a city. it's become a junkyard after they've disappeared

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there is nothing besides that unused map

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that calls them junker gnomes

terse patrol
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You dont think they’ll add more Islands in 8.1?

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Or 2?

hollow dock
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When there's actual proof they exist

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I'll take it

dense plover
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@hollow dock

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its not 100% they will be a race

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but its not just an unused map

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theres a shit load of custom gnome assets all tagged as junker gnome assets

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along with some other map files and data tag stuff

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its likely we will see patch content with them

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relevance of them as an allied race

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hollow dock
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relevance really isn't a necessity.

dense plover
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but its likely we will see them at some point since the art and model team spent a significant time on assets

ruby star
dense plover
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the working theory

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is this all ties into an area called the rusted vault

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a scrap yard

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and that it will be related to the fact that all of the kul tiran gnomes up and vanished

hollow dock
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So you really buy into what honk is saying

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that there's australian gnomes living out in Kul tiras somewhere

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with mech parts and stuff

dense plover
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not the australian part

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but missing gnomes

hollow dock
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cuz that's what he's saying

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Not saying the missinggnomes don't exist

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I know they full well exist

dense plover
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im saying there are missing gnomes and a lot of new gnome assets

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and that its all tagged as junker gnomes

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i dont see them being australian

hollow dock
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that is what Honk means

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Junkrat copycats

dense plover
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i figured they would just be a mix between regular gnomes and the mechanical gnomes from northrend

hollow dock
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that is what I am staunchly saying is a no

dense plover
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i concur

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but i do think we will see gnome stuff

hollow dock
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I do too

dense plover
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theyve hinted towards it heavily, and its been so long since they had any lore

hollow dock
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but legitimate Junker gnomes as the blizzard fanbase knows 'Junker'

dense plover
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no

hollow dock
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that's a really big "Most probably not"

dense plover
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that wont happen

hollow dock
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because again

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that's what I am against when Honk brings up Junker Gnomes

dense plover
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@terse patrol dont think of junker gnomes as junkrat. think of junker gnomes as gnomes who are like broken down machines that build out of scrap

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part gnome, part machine

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maybe theyre a result of an attempt to recreate themselves as mechagnomes

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they wont be australian

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theyll be regular gnomes who are physically changed

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because thats how they started

hollow dock
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Dont really agree with the idea of half-mechanical gnomes but w/e

dense plover
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could be full mechanical

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idk

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but they were regular gnomes to start

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so you have to work from that as the base

terse patrol
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^

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They can’t just make an Allied Race and make them just look like gnomes.

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So, cyborgs seem to be the best way of making them different.

hollow dock
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Yes because there's absolutely no other possible ways to make them look different

terse patrol
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Tell us, then. What makes sense to you?

hollow dock
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That they aren't an allied race and are just a population of gnomes taken by some mysterious force, possibly whatever the sea priests are worshiping

terse patrol
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A’ight well. I think each base race is getting an allied race, then the roll out will slow down with each expac.

rich apex
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Void Panda Allied Race

calm plank
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yes

grizzled sleet
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Panda => Tortollan

rich apex
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Man I wish Tortollan were gonna be playable

grizzled sleet
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They will, either at the end of BFA or next expansion, because they can't be involved in the war

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or whenever the war ends, assuming BFA is not just about war

hollow dock
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Why will they exactly?

grizzled sleet
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Because they are the best Panda equivalent out there

uncut vault
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The Abandoned Scrapheap isn’t just a bit pile of garbage anymore

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Updates made it into a full town

hollow dock
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Why does there need to be a panda equivalent?...

grizzled sleet
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@terse patrol
A’ight well. I think each base race is getting an allied race, then the roll out will slow down with each expac.

Following what he said and many people think the same, including me

delicate dew
#

Vulptera 😮

grizzled sleet
#

Vulptera?

hollow dock
#

ah I see. that theory

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How would the shell work

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for armor

grizzled sleet
#

They can update the model for players, just like nightbornes

hollow dock
#

Nightborne didn't have massive shells on their backs

terse patrol
#

Do we have any screens of the Abandoned Scrapheap as it is atm?

grizzled sleet
#

But we haven't got NPCs model

hollow dock
#

No because those are specialmodels with armor latched onto it

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that's why we dont have NPC models

#

and instead of altered nelf models

grizzled sleet
#

😰

hollow dock
#

why the cold sweat?

grizzled sleet
#

Don't kill my Tortollan hopes 😰

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Or no snitties for you murloc

#

But I don't think armor is going to be an issue, they can just hide the back of each armor with the shell and give us shells color choice in the barbershop

sharp bluff
#

Can't be any worse then my Forsaken joints

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Still can't find a good elbow or knee

grizzled sleet
#

If china rules the world, maybe Blizzard will change forsaken model?

zealous basalt
#

I mean

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Its a fact that snakes wont have snitties

hollow dock
#

Snitties already exist

#

Its the internet

zealous basalt
#

Not in wow

grizzled sleet
#

Actually it's WoW

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Just like lol and LoL

hollow dock
#

Wow

#

Is a game

#

wow is also a game

#

WOW is a game as well

zealous basalt
#

...

#

rolls newspaper

hollow dock
#

WoW is also a game

delicate dew
#

?

sharp bluff
#

Whitemane for HotS 😮

zealous basalt
#

Brinf me those thighs

rich apex
#

praise the light

sullen dagger
#

And woW?

hollow dock
#

No anduin for hots

#

confirmed

grizzled sleet
#

No Sylvanas for HOTS... oh wait.... horde favouritism !!!!!!!!!!!!!

uncut vault
#

Who needs a relevant priest when you have thigh-bait who isn’t even a priest anymore

#

And who doesn’t even have the one thing that made her popular in HotS

hollow dock
#

amiright port?

zealous basalt
#

Whitemane is oof

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Even if wow's female legs arent really thicc

#

Wtb new thigh customization

hollow dock
#

@uncut vault she does actually have thigh highs on like she does in game

#

the angle is real bad but those gold bands

#

are the start of it

rich apex
#

Let's be real

#

Whitemane is like the 3rd most iconic WoW priest

#

And Anduin doesn't need any more spotlight by getting into Heroes

strange falcon
#

it would be hopelessly cringy if both varian and anduin get into heroes

#

1 is enough

rich apex
#

And Velen deserves better than to be trapped in the purgatory that is the Nexus

hollow dock
#

Only because of her thighs

#

which she does have

rich apex
#

Those thighs will crush the heresy out of you

strange falcon
#

@rich apex i think you'd change your opinion if you did any tank magetower

hollow dock
#

I did the tank mage tower

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I dont think he deserves it

rich apex
#

I -tried- to do it 😛

zealous basalt
#

Whitemane and Vanessa

#

Oof

summer cobalt
#

Vanessa, third most famous rogue

zealous basalt
#

Turned into your pet

rich apex
#

To be fair, a rogue shouldn't be famous 😛

#

Tauren rogues are the greatest rogues

summer cobalt
#

they shouldn't exist, but they do, an that's why we love em

#

break those boundries

hollow dock
#

tess is pretty famous

sharp bluff
#

basically, with a quote

hollow dock
#

so is shaw. VanCleef

sharp bluff
#

replace smuggler with rogue

summer cobalt
#

I think it Valeera Sanguinar, Mathias, Vanessa, then Tess

sharp bluff
#

your forgetting the Orc chick

zealous basalt
#

How old is Mathias?

summer cobalt
#

Oh yeah, Garona, forgot about her

weak dawn
#

Is there any class hall, Garrison type stuff in BFA?

rich apex
#

There's a mission table

#

And a faction campaign

weak dawn
#

With new followers?

rich apex
#

Yes

weak dawn
#

Cool

tranquil steeple
#

Up to 4, currently

summer cobalt
#

ugh

hollow dock
#

Oh yea

#

garona is hellafamous

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and infamous

sharp bluff
#

depends on the side for her 😆

hollow dock
#

she's both

summer cobalt
#

So then it Garona, Valeera, Mathias, Vanessa, then Tess

tulip sun
#

Ya, i like the mission tables this time around

#

Or more so the theme i guess

#

The special units

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Each race having a generic troop

#

Champions are cool too

hollow dock
#

unneeded fluff tbh

tulip sun
#

Still nice

tropic trail
#

the fluf is the cool thing about them

restive sage
#

C:

hollow dock
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

tulip sun
#

I wonder if Dark Iron, Zandalari, Maghar and Kul Tirans will get generic troops

#

All currently playable races have generic troopa

#

S

hollow dock
#

I hope not. I want these races tobe at leasta bit special

tulip sun
#

How would added troop types make them not special?

hollow dock
#

It makes them more generic. In the past, when playing this game, if you saw more than just the faction you're helping: it was something special to see.

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When you saw Night elf archers over Dwarven gunman, you knew something was much larger than it actually is

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but for 2 years of seeing htat, it kills that feeling

tulip sun
#

I mean, youd rather not see them aiding the war effort?

hollow dock
#

They'd still aid the war effort

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but not as a generic troop type

tulip sun
#

Maghar appear nowhere thus far.

hollow dock
#

Alright?...

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I don't care for horde

tulip sun
#

Your arguments against including troop types is poor. There is nothing wrong with adding to something all races are a part of. Zandalari Dinomancers, Kul'tiran Guards, Mag'har Outriders or Limbflayers, Dark Iron Shamans or something.

hollow dock
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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alright I guess myopinion is poor.

#

certainly one way to just shut down a discussion

tulip sun
#

I just meant there is not really much evidence or reason to go against adding them for representation. Your not giving much of an argument against it.

hollow dock
#

I never presented it as objective

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it's a completely subjective view

#

if somehow my feelings on it wasn't enough?...

radiant lake
hollow dock
#

Oh that's amazing

#

who made this

#

I wish to love them

radiant lake
#

I did.

hollow dock
#

I love you

radiant lake
#

That's my Ally and Horde main.

#

zealous basalt
#

"This one is more machine than human"

radiant lake
#

"And has its mind concluded"

#

"This one is but flesh and faith"

#

"And is the more deluded"

zealous basalt
#

"Kill me or release me, parasite"

#

"But do not waste my time with talk."

radiant lake
#

"There is much talk. And I have listened. Through rock and metal and time. Now I shall talk, and you shall listen."

#

God, I miss THAT Halo...

strange falcon
#

you mean weird fleshy dude in a pitch black pit

hollow dock
#

Yes

zealous basalt
#

I think we all miss that Halo

hollow dock
#

we miss the gravemind

zealous basalt
#

I think Halo is a pretty cool guy

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Eh kills aliens and doesnt afraid of anything

radiant lake
#

H O L A

pallid crescent
#

in legion dalaran is there a portal to darnasus/darkshore/somewhere neary that location?

sudden oak
#

there are the portals to every capital city as always

hollow dock
#

I mean

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Why would you think there isn't a portal to dalaran?...

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er

#

darnassus*

pallid crescent
#

because darnasus is just a flaming torch

summer cobalt
#

not yet

hollow dock
#

it isn't yet. O.o

summer cobalt
#

burns torch

urban dew
#

Just saw that G'huun pic

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I love it

#

I love the gravemind. Such a disturbing creature, but I still love it.

misty blaze
#

sylvanas is so awesome best warchief ever 😃

summer cobalt
#

highly debateable

misty blaze
#

i like her cause she's the only viable female lore on horde side sorry lillian voss dont do much for me

summer cobalt
#

yeah, you're right on that aspect

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never really thought of that

hollow dock
#

Goku only speaks on the fuckability of those females btw

restive sage
#

what

hollow dock
#

Goku over there, the discord person that just typed, only sees the value of female characters based on tits and ass

restive sage
#

i mean

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...

#

nothing wrong with that

hollow dock
#

Did

#

you honestly just say that

restive sage
#

if thats how he wants to judge video game characters

hollow dock
#

You do realize that's heavily sexist right?

restive sage
#

theyre video game characters

#

😐

summer cobalt
#

about virtual characters

#

if it was actual people, there'd be something wrong, but sylvanas isn't real

hollow dock
#

Alright look.

#

A person

#

sees themselves

#

in a fantasy character

#

If you degrade that character

#

you are

#

degrading that person

restive sage
#

sylvannas isnt a real person

hollow dock
#

There is someone over in the warcraft channel that saw a lot of good in Sylvanas' character

#

they wanted to be that character

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degrading sylvanas

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would degrade them

#

Do you not understand that?

summer cobalt
#

I don't think anyone wants to be undead

hollow dock
#

Facepalm

restive sage
#

ok what did you say

hollow dock
#

I'm just not going to bother with sexists

restive sage
#

that isnt being sexist

#

its a video game character

summer cobalt
#

I mean, I understand that maybe degrading virtual characters could be a reflection of what they could do irl, but it's a virtual character and we don't know that for sure

#

Also, there legitimately no other female horde characters afaik

restive sage
#

weenie

tulip sun
#

Eh, so far I like her.

#

We shall see as the expansion progresses

hollow dock
#

Good job dodging the topic.

true matrix
#

aggra, draka, greatmother geyah, warlord zaela, lilian voss, aponi brightmane, mayla highmountain, jale rivermane, lady liadrin, sassy hardwrench, boss mida, first arcanist thalyssra, arcanist valtrois, ly'leth lunastre, princess talanji

hollow dock
#

@summer cobalt when he said 'Legitimate' females, he meant fuckable ones. Not as in they're female. As Orewing just listed, there's a lot of horde female characters.

uncut vault
#

apparently literally every allied race leader so far isnt a woman

hollow dock
#

Alleria? o>o

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Thalryssa?

#

Mayla

uncut vault
#

apparently not women

#

or not horde, according to them

night swift
#

The lightforged are greeted by a female as well

hollow dock
#

Well Turalyon leads the Lightforged.

night swift
#

Yeah but one of the commanders send them to azeroth

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And they happen to be female

#

But yes Turalyon is the real leader

uncut vault
#

the person you actually first meet as a new character is fareeya

#

unlike void elves, where its alleria

night swift
#

Fareeya yes

tulip sun
#

All Horde Allied races are led by females actually

#

Even the upcoming ones, so.

#

Sylvanas may be the most prominantx but not near the onmy

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Only

#

They probably are doing that on purpose because the Horde is lacking in story relevant females lately. But that is fixed noe.

light umbra
#

🤔 @hollow dock if one is that easily offended by an opinion other than their own - in poor taste or not, one should possibly not be on social platforms of this scale.

hollow dock
#

Im sorry that I dont stand for sexism then

uncut vault
#

"if you cant handle people being sexist, you shouldnt be on a video game discord"

#

???

light umbra
#

😊

summer cobalt
#

Well, the thing is that the first four of that list aren't technically in the forefront of the horde since they're more focus on keeping up their family, not the horde

#

Lilian, like he said, just isn't an interesting character lore wise

#

who tf is sassy hardwrench?

hollow dock
#

No

#

he wasn't talking lorewise

#

and you know that

#

don't cover for him

summer cobalt
#

and the allied race females are too new to the horde to become warchief

hollow dock
#

he's constantly come in here and spoke of all the female characters solely on their sex icons

#

that's it

summer cobalt
#

Well I didn't know that, so don't get antsy with me about it

hollow dock
#

We've been telling you he was being sexist

#

and you blatently ignored it. :|

summer cobalt
#

I thought that when he said "lilian voss just doesn't do it for me" I thought he was talking lorewise

#

I don't pay attention to this discord as much as others do

#

And I thought you were skewing what he was saying into some loosely sexist thing just to get triggered by it

#

but apparently you had perfectly valid reasons

hollow dock
#

No. I'm not

summer cobalt
#

Sorry about defending someone who I legitimately didn't know was notorious for being sexist

#

But, I still believe that Sylvanas is the best (lorewise) female candidate for being warchief.

hollow dock
#

it's fine. We make mistakes.

#

That's fine to think, but Go ku only appeals to female characters based on the size of their tits

summer cobalt
#

Is she the best candidate overall? No, that goes to Saurfang

#

without doubt

fiery shale
#

I got a lore question. With the new expansion how many other alliances places are being destroyed? I haven't played much in a long long time.

hollow dock
#

parts of Borealus

fiery shale
#

No clue where that is.

hollow dock
#

its in Kul Tiras

tulip sun
#

Now now, lol

#

I dont think Saurfang would be a great choice either

fiery shale
#

what about the nigh elf place?

#

I saw picture with the tree burning down

hollow dock
#

teldrassil

#

that's burning down next week

summer cobalt
#

Teldrasil (the giant tree) and Lordaeron (Undercity) will be burnt/sieged respectively

tulip sun
#

Saurfang is not terrible, but his current state of mind would certainly lead to more horde deaths.

#

I am an advocate for Baine

hollow dock
#

His state of mind

#

is the same

#

as before Lordaeron

#

mind you

#

it's just orc

fiery shale
#

so is Undercity a massive crater now?

tulip sun
#

No i mean...

#

He minda wants to die e.e

hollow dock
#

yes

#

orc

#

he wants an honorable death

summer cobalt
#

no, just the top of it is a bit sieged

hollow dock
#

in battle

#

not running away

radiant lake
#

I'm shocked Saurfang jumped onboard with invading Teldrassil so fast

hollow dock
#

like a coward

tulip sun
#

And that would lead to deaths

summer cobalt
#

but the path from the north is scorched in two week

hollow dock
#

do you not know orc culture?

tulip sun
#

I am saying him not retreating like Sylvanas does, would most likely lead to more deaths

fiery shale
#

so alliance loses ashenvale, darkshore, teldrassil and Undercity is just baseiged. Wow that horde bias is still strong i see.

tulip sun
#

So he would not also be an ideal choice

#

It will be Baine or Lprthemar probably

hollow dock
#

Undercity is lost

#

but

#

Alliance doesn't get it either

#

No one does

#

Syvlanas just blights it

tropic trail
#

Gilneas

summer cobalt
#

Gallywix for Warchief

fiery shale
#

Teldrassil is an entire region. Undercity is just a capital city though

zealous basalt
#

shhh

#

don't say that word

tulip sun
#

I mean, in all likelyhood it will be Baine

#

A dev mentioned each core race being warchief if i recall

summer cobalt
#

A reincarnated Cairne will be warchief

#

reincairneated

fiery shale
#

why is warchief changing? Sylvanas died?

summer cobalt
#

No, just hypotheticals

fiery shale
#

so what happens after Teldrassil burns and Undercity is gone?

#

do they do that phase thing to make it all pointless?

zealous basalt
#

yep

#

Teldrassil becomes a complete skybox

#

Well, its the only time we will ever see Teldrassil at the full glory

urban dew
#

Someone set off some fireworks

fiery shale
#

sigh... Alright well I guess the WoW combat is still the same? The lore is still horde oriented... I guess I wont get this expansion either

#

thanks for answering my questions you guys.

summer cobalt
#

The story in Zuldazar (Horde) is second to Kul Tiras (Alliance) because the Kul Tiran story is more fun and interresting

tulip sun
#

Uh...

summer cobalt
#

and it has a good twist at the end

tulip sun
#

Bit of a overreaction

#

@fiery shale It is not horde oriented at all.

#

And what do you mean still??

#

BfA is pretty equal

hollow dock
#

Oh yes

#

Horde destroy mostof the alliance stuff

#

we don't

#

very equal

fiery shale
#

I always felt Alliance always got the short end of the stick all the time.

Cataclysm. Horde get huge castle bases with new models everywhere.
Alliance gets old models and some tents

tulip sun
#

Undercity is still lost regardless

hollow dock
#

by horde hands

#

not alliance

tulip sun
#

Ultimately yes, it was still a victory for the alliance

hollow dock
#

No

#

it wasn't

summer cobalt
#

they get vulpera, the horde's definitely got the short end of the stick

hollow dock
#

a victory for the alliance would be dead Sylvanas

tulip sun
#

Whatever Vris

hollow dock
#

or captured undercitty

#

we have neither

#

you can't say that's a victory for the alliance when they gain nothing

tulip sun
#

We didnt capture Teldrasssil either

fiery shale
#

LOL? Horde bombs themselves?! rather then the Alliance winning the battle?

#

HAHAHAHAHA

#

even in victory they dont do crap

hollow dock
#

Sylvanas orders undercity blighted to deny the alliance the city

tulip sun
#

And the Horde do not own ashenvale and darkshore

hollow dock
#

Yes they do

#

that's the whole point of the invasion force

#

when teldrassil burns

#

alliance pulls out

fiery shale
#

they marched all the way to the capital and burned it down.

hollow dock
#

we LOSE Ashenvale forest

tulip sun
#

Mission tabkes show that Night Elves took sole back

fiery shale
#

thats the very definition of owning territory

tulip sun
#

Grine, it wasnt the Horde

#

That burned teldrassil

hollow dock
#

We don't know who it was

#

but it's VERY LIKELY it was the horde

fiery shale
#

it burned down. A whole region.

#

but hey at least they fixed the park right?

tulip sun
#

Vris is a very biased viewed person ti be getting information from. Lemme finish. In bfa, it is said the nighr elves are fighting hard and reclaimed places

summer cobalt
#

It burned down because one nelf didn't listen to Smokey the Guardian Druid

hollow dock
#

I'm not really that biased

#

Sylvanas is not trustworthy

tulip sun
#

I say give the expansion a shot, the alliance has a lot of stuff.

hollow dock
#

she lies

#

manipulates

fiery shale
#

I remember the wargens got a tree there while the horde got the entirety of Azashara as a new zone

summer cobalt
#

Oh, definately

tulip sun
#

Sylvanas has nothing to do with the discussion

fiery shale
#

And the alliance even lost that frigging tree

#

amazing

hollow dock
#

She is the horde leading this

urban dew
#

Nomi had a cooking accident

hollow dock
#

So yes

tulip sun
#

We are talking of Horde involvement

hollow dock
#

She has everything to do with this

tulip sun
#

Not horde

#

Alliance

hollow dock
#

We are talking about the horde possibly burning down the tree

#

It's very likely that they were the oens that had done it

summer cobalt
#

We deny them the tree, they deny us Lordaeron

tulip sun
#

You cant say that at all

hollow dock
#

specifically because, you cannot trust Sylvanas. She has alterior motive in all of this. She even admits to Nathanos in Before the Storm that she's well aware she's becoing like garrosh

#

you see also in Before the Storm that she is actively hiding information from the horde leaders

#

You can see that she is being manipulative

#

she lies

#

We are not nathanos

fiery shale
#

@tulip sun Could you just give me some new regions Alliance got?
Because so far I count Gilneas, Azashara, Ashenval (half destroyed already), darkshore, Teldrassil, Theramore and a few others completely lost to alliance players.

tulip sun
#

Vris, i am not arguing this. We dont know who it is.

hollow dock
#

we have no reason to believe

summer cobalt
#

She only cares about the survival of the Forsaken, not the Horde

hollow dock
#

We don't

#

I even said

#

we don't

#

BUT

#

it's very likely the horde does it

#

I am nost saying they do

tulip sun
#

Grine, i will. One moment

hollow dock
#

I'm saying it's more and more likely

#

that they will

urban dew
#

I'm not going to make any assumptions. We'll see what was responsible next Tuesday

summer cobalt
#

We get Kul Tiras, the world's largest maritime kingdom, thus forth, the world's largest navy

#

And in war, it's all about the naval game

hollow dock
#

Which gets butt blasted in the war campaign btw

tulip sun
#

The Alliance also raids Zuldazar in the next patch to kill or capture the zandalari king

#

So

#

Anyway, one moment Grine

fiery shale
#

Oh right. Who the hell is zandalar

#

I want new regions conquered by alliance

hollow dock
#

which will almost certainly fail

zealous basalt
#

Parts conquered?

#

Well, Arathi and those regions

summer cobalt
#

Zandalar is the oldest civilization on Azeroth

zealous basalt
#

Prolly gilneas in the future

summer cobalt
#

prolly silvermoon too

tulip sun
#

Gilbeas is confirned in alliance hands

#

Gilneas*

hollow dock
#

Where and when Kham

zealous basalt
#

They

#

Confirmed it

summer cobalt
#

I think with the destruction of UC, horde has (mostly) been wiped off the Eastern Kingdoms

zealous basalt
#

On Blizzcon?

hollow dock
#

Last I checked, the war lien didn't move it down

zealous basalt
#

They literally

#

Did confirm it in the blizzcon?

hollow dock
#

What they've said at blizzcon hasn't aligned with what's in game right now Mak

summer cobalt
#

Well, It's infered

hollow dock
#

the war line from the war table is currently fighting in Arathi and going down into Silverpine and Hillsbrad

#

there's been no movement from that as far as we've read from beta

summer cobalt
#

If the forsaken don't have a major stronghold in lordaeron, then the smaller camp will diminish and then Gilneas is back in Alliance hands

hollow dock
#

Arathi is a major horde foothold in the EK

#

and it's occupying most of our forces

summer cobalt
#

Also, where's this war line

#

I'm just curious

tulip sun
#

The whole point of Arathi or someplace is to have a place to attack Gilneas from

#

I know that mucj

hollow dock
#

It's a player drawn one based on all the reports. So far alliance is moving in from Lordaeron downwards followingthe horde

#

ignoring silverpine and rushing to gut the horde while we can

fiery shale
#

This image sums up perfectly how as an alliance player, paying the same money as horde players but always being given sub par content and being told its totally fair.

uncut vault
#

Alliance already has forces in Gilneas, or Silverpine, at least, horde forces are mostly in northern hillsbrad and arathi

summer cobalt
#

At least our rulers aren't corrupt

dense plover
#

the point of arathi is to stop the alliance from moving north

#

it has nothing to do with gilneas

uncut vault
#

I mean, cata being horrible for alliance was just a case of them openly admitting they didnt have time for alliance

dense plover
#

@fiery shale piss off with that false equivalence

#

thats cataclysm

#

not now

fiery shale
#

thats when I quit wow

summer cobalt
#

cata was trash, bfa can't be

dense plover
#

good for you

summer cobalt
#

for the survival of the game

fiery shale
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if you have proof they are not pulling the same shit as before then do so

dense plover
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are you just here to spread that feeling?

fiery shale
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no seeing if the game is worth returning to

dense plover
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its not my job to provide proof. if you dont want to play

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dont

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look it up for yourself

fiery shale
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then dont talk to me lol

dense plover
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theres loads of videos of beta

fiery shale
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be on your merry way

dense plover
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lol

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asking me to do your work

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then telling me to leave

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how entitled

fiery shale
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You ain't interested in talking about the subject

dense plover
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neither are you

fiery shale
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so why should we talk about it?

dense plover
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you came in stating a complaint

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from cata

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you didnt ask about now

fiery shale
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I literally did

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if you look up

summer cobalt
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you are comparing cata to now, not vice versa

dense plover
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^

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also

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you have this thing in your head

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where you see alliance as getting shafted constantly

fiery shale
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Well whats new now? I just see 2 new regions called Kultiras and this new troll place and heard the horde, again, gets more interesting quests.

dense plover
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take a look at boralus

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its the new alliance capital

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its massive

hollow dock
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also a large chunk of it gets blown up

dense plover
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also, alliance has good quests too

summer cobalt
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and a better story than the horde imo

dense plover
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i disagree

fiery shale
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I also heard Alliance loses the entire teldrassil region along with darkshore and ashenval meanwhile horde gassed their own undercity

dense plover
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you are mistaken

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nothing really happens with darkshore visually post BfA launch

fiery shale
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so in this equation what does Alliance get?

dense plover
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teldrassil does get burned somehow

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everything isnt equivalent

hollow dock
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Kham was preaching to this man that BFA is pretty equivalent of alliance and horde treatment :p

dense plover
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if everything was equivalent, then there would be no anger or emotions in general

fiery shale
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well in previous expantions like cata we did not get anything equivalent either

hollow dock
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is why he's so confused

dense plover
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dude

fiery shale
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so is this expantion the same?

dense plover
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go look up the alliance city

summer cobalt
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The Horde gets some trolly bois, the Alliance get the Daughter of the Seas and the Daughter of the Lich King

dense plover
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just go look up the new city

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and then tell me

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that its not fair

fiery shale
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the horde did not lose anything for alliance to gain that city and honestly I dont like the look of it.

summer cobalt
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Jaina's back with a whole new revenge

dense plover
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jesus

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so you are just here to complain

fiery shale
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alliance lost 3 whole regions

dense plover
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alliance lost 1 region

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1

fiery shale
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3

dense plover
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same with horde

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horde loses ALL of lordaeron

summer cobalt
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The Alliance only lost Teldrassil, the Horde lost Undercity, that's it