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zealous basalt
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Arcane magic

rich apex
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(Realism of how much crew is needed to sail a ship aside)

hollow dock
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You can easily use arcane to raise and move the ship.

zealous basalt
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Jaina is an archmage

hollow dock
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Manipulating the water around it to move. Like we manipulate water and fire for everything else.

sharp bluff
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even so, takes a full crew to control a ship that size, we see that with the other Kul Tiran ships, crew + magic wind person

zealous basalt
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Doing it might be ezpz

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She made it like the queen Anne revenge

jade basalt
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Jaina's a mage.. who likes water magic.. who summons water elementals.. I'm not surprised she can lift a ship from the water

hollow dock
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^

night swift
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That too

hollow dock
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She created the Black Pearl

night swift
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Lol

zealous basalt
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The pearl was just fast

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And unsinkable

sharp bluff
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and suddenly she is strong enough to move a warship, and all its stuff without a crew, even though all the other ships still need a crew.... 😑 never mind Blizz writing, I should not be surprised

zealous basalt
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Dude

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Stop

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Jaina is a powerful mage

hollow dock
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What do you mean suddenly

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the woman has the POWER OF A TITAN IN HER STAFF

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are you serious

night swift
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Its fucking magic

zealous basalt
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She has the fucking power of a god in her staff

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Like shesh

hollow dock
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By far, she's one of the most powerful mages on Azeroth

night swift
steel venture
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she's probably the most powerful mortal one WITHOUT being a guardian

hollow dock
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Eh there's contestion on that with Khadgar and most elder blue dragons

steel venture
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(azshara's no longer mortal. so im not counting her for modern time.)

zealous basalt
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"Crew for ship"

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She is a mage

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She doesnt need shit

terse patrol
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She’s likely more powerful than Khadgar

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Medivh didnt givr Khadgar special powers

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Give*

hollow dock
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Like. I used Nihlus as an example: Where Darth Nihlus moved a warship using the Force

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and the ship was broken. A skeleton of its formerself

grizzled sleet
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Azshara was the most powerful mage and may still be

steel venture
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Jaina is probably the most powerful conjurer right now?* Better way of putting it.

hollow dock
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Most likely.

steel venture
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Conjuration deals with hydromancy / ice / etc.

zealous basalt
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Dont get why are you surpris3d

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This is the jaina we deserve

hollow dock
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She's up there with Khadgar, Azshara, Kalecgos for mortal magic users on Azeroth

terse patrol
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waifu jainaa

hollow dock
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Medivh is probably the only one that can outright beat her. since he's still Guardian

tropic trail
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Isn't Jaina a transmuter first and foremost? I'm pretty sure lore is that it's her prefered school (especially teleportation)

terse patrol
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@hollow dock or azshara

hollow dock
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She prefered studying

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But, in studying, she's become one of the most powerful mageson Azeroth.

zealous basalt
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All that she always wanted is to stusy

night swift
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Jaina is gonna make sure her crimes are payed for wether they like it or not

terse patrol
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Azshara still reigns as the most powerful

zealous basalt
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She gets her crimes paid

hollow dock
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Especially since her staff, the Staff of Antonidas, has absorbed the great Lightning machine that Lei Shen made.

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which was powered by a fragment of Aman'thuls soul

clever ember
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She could also have made some kind of deal with someone/something to give her the power to raise and move the ship.

jade basalt
hollow dock
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so she's got a fragment of Aman'thuls power in that staff

steel venture
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Jaina - Most powerful living conjurer.
Khadgar - Most powerful living arcanist.
Medivh - Most powerful living mage.
Kalecgos - Secondmost powerful living arcanist? Likely higher when he wasn't mortal.

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Like, that seems fairish.

hollow dock
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Oh certainly higher. In non-mortal life of him being Aspect, he would possibly be the only one to beat Medivh

steel venture
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Yeah. Even if his time as Aspect was very short compared to Malygos.

zealous basalt
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But he is still a rook

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That has a fetish for sunwella

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Wells

steel venture
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Nah. Not sunwells. Humans. >>

hollow dock
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just humans

steel venture
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Jaina you deserve a better BF...

hollow dock
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just so happaned that the first one he wanted to fuck was the Sunwell

zealous basalt
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Before humans

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He wanted to fuck the sunwell

hollow dock
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Yea. Anvina.

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The human girl

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that was the Sunwell

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human girl

steel venture
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yeah, she looked human

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he has

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a thing for humans

zealous basalt
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And the fuck

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Was in a compromise

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With Tyrygosa

steel venture
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he literally dumped his consort-to-be for a who he thought was a human

zealous basalt
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U fucking wot m8

hollow dock
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I mean

zealous basalt
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Y u do dis

hollow dock
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he never really liked Tyry that way. As far as I remember: he was more like a sister to him

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Tyry was having none of it tho

zealous basalt
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Tyry then went with a human

hollow dock
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She went elf*

zealous basalt
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Wasnt her protector a human?

hollow dock
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Oh thought you typed in the means of transform

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my bad

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nah you right. she went with a human

zealous basalt
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She transformed into a cute elf

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And kalecgos went

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Human-elf

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With an unique model

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That is outdated now

hollow dock
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it...it wasn't actualy unique

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it was 1.1 sized by comparison of normal humans and had blue hair

zealous basalt
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But it had thing

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STILL

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All races seem to have a thing for humans

hollow dock
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who woulda thought a bunch of humans wrote to have romances with a bunch of humans

zealous basalt
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Because human master race scrub

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Human bias

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But it is overwritten by horde bias

sullen dagger
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Well manduin is hot

zealous basalt
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Oof

sullen dagger
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Id love to see him with the menethil girl

zealous basalt
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Menethil

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Calia?

sullen dagger
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Yeah

zealous basalt
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She is as old as Jaina

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Probably a lil less

clever ember
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Isn’t Calia an undead now though.

sullen dagger
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Not exactly

zealous basalt
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She is alive

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Ressurected

sullen dagger
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Also it would mean the union between old loraderon and stormwind

zealous basalt
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No

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I prefer that theory

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That he will get with Talia

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And that Talia = Wrathion

sullen dagger
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Yeah

clever ember
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I’d see him getting with Taelia before anyone else.

sullen dagger
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Those are the two possibilities

zealous basalt
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1

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He gets a harem

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With Taelia

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Calia

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And Tess

grizzled sleet
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Actually he will marry Velen

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King Anduin Wrynn of Argus

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Of course when Sylvanas destroy Stormwind

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And he can make childs with Lightforged draeneis

zealous basalt
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When that happens

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Sylvanas is going to wake up

grizzled sleet
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No

zealous basalt
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Pls

grizzled sleet
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Another Sylvanas will come from another timeline to take her place

zealous basalt
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Saying that Horde will win WoW

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Is like

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Idk

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Saying that an elephant will cross a micro hole

grizzled sleet
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And she will cure undeads with her powers

tranquil steeple
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what do you mean everything is horde bias so how can't the horde win

grizzled sleet
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Horde is like void lords, they can never win
Unless.....
Points to Xera

zealous basalt
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I mean

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We have Horde bias

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And they still suck

grizzled sleet
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So

zealous basalt
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Imagine if there was

tranquil steeple
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but is it really horde bias then

grizzled sleet
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Horde = Void lords
Alliance = Naaru / Xe'ra
Pandaren = Illidan

tranquil steeple
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Que Taran Zhu charging in yelling "You are not prepared!"

grizzled sleet
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THIS IS NOT YOURS TO TAKE

rich apex
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Don't compare my boi Taran Zhu to Illidan

grizzled sleet
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Do we know what the next warbringer is ? Azshara or Sylvanas?

tranquil steeple
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I'm gonna bet on Azshara

rich apex
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One of the two 😛

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I was about to say I'd bet on Sylvie

grizzled sleet
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Seems like it's Azshara

rich apex
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But if the Sylvie short reveals the end of Teldrassil

grizzled sleet
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If they follow this order

tranquil steeple
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That's also something to go by, yeah

rich apex
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The third one should be out before launch, regardless

grizzled sleet
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Azshara

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She's immortal?

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Demigods in Warcraft are immortal, but they are neither omniscient nor omnipotent. Otherwise, among other things, they would have known immediately of the Burning Legion's first invasion, and they would have been able to thwart it with ease.

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Demigods :
Azshara
Cenarius
Malorne

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Does it mean we can't kill her?

zealous basalt
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Cenarius was killes

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Killed

tranquil steeple
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Immortal =/ Invincible

zealous basalt
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Aszhara can be killed too

rich apex
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Aszhara's gonna be killable once we find her raid 😛

zealous basalt
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Once we find where is it

hollow dock
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Anyone think Jainas shanty will get released as a full song?

zealous basalt
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Is gonna buy

hollow dock
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Malorne, Cenarius and just about every other demigod and god out there has been slain

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So

tranquil steeple
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But we had Cenarius in the physical world before the Nightmare took him over, didn't we?

hollow dock
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Yea and he died to grom

tranquil steeple
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No I mean

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In Legion

hollow dock
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Yea.

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Cuz he wasnt killed in the dream

zealous basalt
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I wonder tho

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How is it possible to leave someone unconcipus

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Unconcious even

hollow dock
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You wack em

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Really really har

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But not to hard

grizzled sleet
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Jaina : Daughter of the Sea
Azshara : Queen of the Sea
N'Zoth : God of the Sea
Sylvanas : ?????????????????????

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Windrunner of the Sea murloc

sharp bluff
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🤔

dense plover
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Holy shit that video

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Also, now we know where the lordaeron boat came from

zealous basalt
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The song needs chains and stomps

tropic trail
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We need more WoW-specific songs, though. I constantly need to rewrite some for my RP guild to have something to sing.^^

zealous basalt
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Noes

rich apex
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Just steal the bard songs from ESO

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Some of them aren't really setting-specific 😛

hollow dock
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@dense plover Think Jaina was using necromancy with her dad's supposed spirit and going out to raise the boat? I personally don't think so, but would like your input on that.

grizzled sleet
hollow dock
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OH

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MY

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GAWD

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are they going to make this like the Highborne song?

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please tell me they'll make it a singing toy

zealous basalt
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Make it

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4 min

dense plover
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@hollow dock its a boat

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it was sunk

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she just used magic to bring it to the surface

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the whole thing with the spirit taking her their seems to be just a result of the many deaths at theramore

hollow dock
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fair enough.

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that's what I also thought of it but just wanted someone likeminded that doesn't agree with me at all times :p

dense plover
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yeah its not necromancy

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i mean

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the spirit is

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but its like - unsettled stuff necromancy

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not - evil kill everyone necromancy

zealous basalt
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Hmm...

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Idk

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It doesn't seem like something we know

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To me it felt like if she was in another plane where the dead are closer to the living

dense plover
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how?

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she rides there from theramore

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the crashed boats are from around theramore i think

hollow dock
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So, more so she called upon the unrested spirit

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rather than she rose the spirit

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into unrest

zealous basalt
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Ye

dense plover
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yeah thats what i saw

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thats why she gave it her necklace

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and then she says "im listening father"

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and it goes away

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because its conditions for rest have been satisfied

true matrix
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nice to see some of the usuals are still in here

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hey, it's been a while

serene axle
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That video is just amazing.

true matrix
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this is one of few things that has me genuinely excited for BfA

serene axle
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maybe next week we will bet sylvanas before burning of teldrassil to get some emotions going on

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and i wonder.. if azshara one after burning to explain some stuff or before next raid

true matrix
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if the other harbingers shorts are near as well-crafted as this one... man, I'm looking forward to it

tulip sun
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Sylvanas seems to focus on the burning

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Ao idk

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So*

grizzled sleet
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I heard some people saying that the song is part of Stormsong Valley questline and that's why it was datamined, is that true?

dense plover
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i bet azshara is next

serene axle
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ye, peeps are singing that song in kul'tiras even if i remember

dense plover
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and sylvanas is last

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so that its like - Alliance, Neutral, Horde

serene axle
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why do you think sylvanas will be last one

dense plover
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break in between the two factions

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and to really hype up the faction hate

dense plover
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the day before the sylvanas cinematic in game

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with the burning

grizzled sleet
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They will follow this order

true matrix
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it works so well for a folk song of a seafaring nation

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almost shanty-like

dense plover
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it is a shanty

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its not shanty-like

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its a shanty

serene axle
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🤔

dense plover
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it meets the requirements

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correct chords, correct time signature

serene axle
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so i can say speculation here ye ? or it's only for comfirmed stuff about bfa etc ?

grizzled sleet
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You can

dense plover
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you can speculate

true matrix
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it is? I saw someone saying it wasn't so I wasn't certain

dense plover
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as long as it isnt stupid

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and as long as you dont use Pyro as a source of lore

serene axle
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Because if that thing about Azshara burning teldrassil and making even more chaos for N'zoth is true 🤔

dense plover
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its possible

serene axle
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Pyro as source of lore GWmythiBlobLUL

dense plover
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exactly

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hes a joke

serene axle
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i mean

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his tactic is simple

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shoot everywhere everything

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and some of it will be right

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maybe 20% of his speculation will be true

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but some vids are total shitfest

true matrix
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"I can't be wrong about everything if I guess everything will happen all at once"

grizzled sleet
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If Azshara doesn't burn Teldrassil, what else could make her a Warbringer ? something she did in the past?

true matrix
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I mean, that certainly would qualify

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considering she allowed the burning legion access to azeroth and started the war of the ancients as a result

serene axle
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Attacking from sea to ally and horde in war

dense plover
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^

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also

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all the shit she is doing in KT

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and whatever power she is looking for near Zandalar

true matrix
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it's a seafaring-based expansion and she's at the bottom of the sea. it makes sense that she would make a move at this point.

dense plover
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^

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also

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maybe we will get nazjatar as a zone

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i really hope so

serene axle
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Her objective was to "release" G'huun right ? to make chaos as it's goal of Old Gods

dense plover
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it would be cool to see some kind of old god, azerite, coral, sea castle

true matrix
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I can imagine nazjatar being a zone introduced in a later patch, definitely

dense plover
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well considering she is raid 2

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probably 8.1

serene axle
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well

grizzled sleet
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raised from the sea just like broken shore long ago

serene axle
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i don't think we will kill her in second tier

dense plover
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i dont think we will end her either

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but she is the end boss of that tier

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i think she will win and release nzoth

grizzled sleet
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I really hope she doesn't die

serene axle
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Also take on mind, puzzle box of yogg saron will be opened in uldir

dense plover
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because that would be cool af

strange falcon
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inb4 azshara killsteals herself

serene axle
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as achievment said

dense plover
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i mean

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thats a meta achieve

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not story relevant really

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there are images of yogg there

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so its like a little meta thing

serene axle
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puzzle box was never a "main story" thingy

strange falcon
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OR,they could do a lich king kind of thing,where she actually DOES kill us at the end of the fight,and just runs away after?

serene axle
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it was just a hint kinda

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I hope they will reveal more about N'zoth in Azshara warbringers

dense plover
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probably

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theres that whole image

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with loads of eyes

serene axle
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ye

grizzled sleet
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Murlocs incoming on patch 8.1

dense plover
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its very likely we will either see nzoth

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either this expac

serene axle
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it was prpbly awakening of N'zoth power kinda stuff as he transformed Azshara and her servants to Naga

dense plover
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or leading into the next one

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it would make sense like how warlords led into legion

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bfa could lead to a fully old god expac

zealous basalt
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I like

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How they added those things that grab her

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Imagine how suggestive would it be if

serene axle
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you mean like ressurection of all old gods and rise of black empire ? 😄

zealous basalt
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N'zoth tentacles wrapped around her instead

serene axle
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or what old god themed like

tropic trail
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Calamari?

grizzled sleet
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N'Zoth and his servants corrupt some old zones so that they can be revamped next expac

tropic trail
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Stab a tentacle into Stormwind

serene axle
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Or maybe we will kill his Azeroth presence, as we did with all ofthers

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and travel to shadowlands or relam of old gods

grizzled sleet
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And return to fight each other

serene axle
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who knows, blizz can go wild with these things

grizzled sleet
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BFA 2.0

serene axle
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Like not even One of Old Gods is totally "death"

grizzled sleet
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i'm sure Nyalotha will play something with Nzoth, either in a raid or a zone or another realm we access to weaken Nzoth or something

serene axle
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you know what Ll'gynoth said

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and also to what puzzle box refered

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N'zoth is basically in Nyalotha

grizzled sleet
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but is it the physical realm or a parallel one ?

serene axle
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That's good question

grizzled sleet
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When Ll'gynoth dies he says he's going to Nyalotha

serene axle
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and you can't really tell

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ye, he said N'zoth, he mentioned him I journey to nyalotha

grizzled sleet
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I think Nyalotha is a parallel realm just like emerald dream, and as they said, everything is sleeping there, so if we go there, we're bascally put asleep unless we find something to avoid that

serene axle
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So it's shadow lands, and maybe if you die, you will be awake .. who knows

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We have 0 clue that's the thing 😄

grizzled sleet
serene axle
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Even "second part" of azeroth could be thing

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some building there from times of black empire, generals and faceless ones sleeping and waiting to return of their masters

uncut vault
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Lol @ people saying the other day that Jaina and Katherine are admitting Daelin was wrong

grizzled sleet
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@uncut vault A black elf ? What.. Have... You... Done... ?

serene axle
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LUL

uncut vault
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Diversity, what horror

grizzled sleet
serene axle
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But shtill i kinda wonder, if these monstrosity have some deeper meaning 🤔 or if they are basically structures as we seen in dragon soul etc

uncut vault
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Well first is just Hearthstone, which isn’t canon, second is from way back during the black empire, before the old gods were imprisoned, so that is likely Cthuns true form

grizzled sleet
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Do not be impressed by tall icons of the titans which stand here. The towers of sacrifice in Ny'alotha dwarf these pathetic temples.

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That fel edifice towering over this land pales in comparison to the grandeur of what stood here long ago.
(speaking of Black Empire)

languid yoke
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I want a dark lava area like that

grizzled sleet
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Last night, Ogmot dreams of great battle. Two fleets bashin on ocean of blood.
Shadows twistin beneath da ships, risin. Risin. Ogmot so happy watching the carnage!
Then Ogmot gets waked up by skitterin sounds. Stupid bugs!
Dont matter. Ogmot knows dese dreams soon come true.

Is it about Teldrassil ? or something else?

hollow dock
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I wil lnote this Mim

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Warbringers

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are not bringers of war

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the whole point of the series are a bunch of people that have war brought to them and are unbroken by it

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and here's the thing Port

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Hearthstone is

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somewhat canon

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somewhat.

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not entirely canon, but things like the situation of Gadgetzan is canon to WoW apparently.

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where its split up between the three gangs and all.

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and one thing to note Mim: Teldrassil doesn't seethe horde fleet

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It is just the alliancefleet returning to late as the tree is set ablaze

grizzled sleet
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🤔

hollow dock
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The battle for Teldrassil is almost entirely in Darkshore

uncut vault
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Nah Hearthstone is basically like the RPG, but better produced

serene axle
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Ogmot dream jurnal is about things to come

uncut vault
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Non canon until WoW devs decide they like something

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And make it canon

hollow dock
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I mean

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the gadgetzan situation in Hearthstone is in WoW. o;

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apparently

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through Traveler

serene axle
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And ye, Hs is somewhat canon

hollow dock
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and Tortollan

uncut vault
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Yeah that’s exactly what I mean, it’s non canon until WoW developers see something they like

ruby star
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Can't wait for Jaina to wreck havoc on the horde

uncut vault
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It’s a canon thing within the universe, as a board game

hollow dock
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We already see her do that in Lordareon.

serene axle
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Even image of N'zoth seems fair as it looks like a C'thulhu

sharp bluff
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Warlords Toy, bought in garrison, also can receive a signed card from missions 😉

hollow dock
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I would imagine n'zoth looks somewhat like his hearthstone art.

ruby star
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@hollow dock Aye, but more havoc 😉

uncut vault
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But where xpacs like gadgetzan or the grand tournament could be canon within existing lore

serene axle
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He will prpbly look like that

hollow dock
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Sky captain Kragg

uncut vault
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Xpacs like knights of the frozen throne and whispers of the old gods are explicitly not canon

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And big ol what ifs

hollow dock
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Well yea.

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That's why I said somewhat. :p

serene axle
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or like was painted on ulduar and waht it was.. raid in panda, something of fear i think

tranquil steeple
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Heart of Fear

true matrix
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heart of fear

hollow dock
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Heart of Fear

serene axle
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ye

hollow dock
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though those are more theorized to be uh

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what was it

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Y'shaarj

serene axle
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Ye, Klaxxi were minions of Y'shaarj

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but we already know how he looks

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and this

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is not Y'shaarj

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It looks like octopus and C'thulhu has head of octopus, and C'thulhu is basically N'zoth because blizz used whole H.P: lovecraft 😄

grizzled sleet
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We also got this

uncut vault
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The shrine of the storms likely isn’t of any old god related mischief

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It’s dedicated to the Tidemother

serene axle
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You played beta, right ?

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And completed Stormsong valley 😄

uncut vault
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Yeah, and the Kul tirans have had their temple for a lot longer than they’ve been involved with the old gods

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Their shrines to the Tidemother, which our friendly tidesages use, look just like the Shrine

rich apex
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N'zoth is the Tidemother

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There's a shrine that the Friendly Tide Sage prays to

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That looks literally like N'zoth

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But I can't find my screenshot of it

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(And when he prays, he -dedicates- the souls of the fallen to the Shrine of the Storm and the sea)

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(🤔 🤔 🤔 )

grizzled sleet
#

What's the most used word by villains on World of Warcraft ?

"foolish mortal" "insects" "interloper" "weaklings"

Find the correct answer and Teldrassil won't burn

rich apex
#

Nevermind I found it

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one sec

serene axle
#

And N'zoth is here much longer than Kul'tirans, tidemother was blessing ships and helping them basically, but with infestation and some priest coruppted, they started to lisen whispers, and some of them started to worship god of the sea

uncut vault
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That is a shrine to the Tidemother, like I said

rich apex
#

Yeah

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And the Tidemother looks exactly like N'zoth

uncut vault
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And doesn’t look much like Nzoth in terms of his actual face

grizzled sleet
uncut vault
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It looks like a standard kraken

zealous basalt
#

KRAKEN

rich apex
#

(admittedly, I just like the idea that N'zoth -was- benevolently helping the Tide Sages for years, waiting for the right moment to corrupt them)

serene axle
#

y, also these corrupted ridesages can reanimate tentacle monuments into real void ones etc

jade basalt
#

It's literally just a kraken, it looks nothing like N'Zoth himself.

serene axle
#

there is so much of that stuff

uncut vault
#

Of which we know there are friendlies, and of non-old god origins

rich apex
#

How many creepy kraken gods can there possibly be

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Especially when half the Tide Sages fall to the Void Side

uncut vault
#

And our Stormsong faction is filled with ones who don’t

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And still call upon the Tidemother for their power

jade basalt
#

It doesn't have to be a particular being in particular. Some humans in real life kneel and prey before a cross, that doesn't mean that the thing they worship is the cross, but what it represents.

serene axle
#

as i said, N'zoth is reference to C'Thulhu who have head of kraken, so it can be him

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you can't actually confirm anything at this point 😄

jade basalt
#

Literally all the Old Gods are references to Lovecraft's Elder Gods.

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Not just N'Zoth in particular.

rich apex
#

I just don't trust Blizz to actually be subtle

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So if there's a big kraken face statue

serene axle
#

But C'thulhu was most interesting one and rewrited by many

jade basalt
#

Then it's a kraken. Not necessarily N'Zoth, who looks wildly different from a kraken.

serene axle
#

he is most known one

uncut vault
#

Blizz doesn’t actually care about the lovecraft mythos, they ripped names from it for their creepy old gods and can’t change them at this point

dense plover
#

tidemother isnt nzoth

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azshara essentially has convinced a lot of the priests that she is the tidemother

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but she isnt

serene axle
#

That's this speculation thingy, you can really tell how he looks like, only reference is statues, HS card, even it's not a canon or C'thulhu himself 😄

dense plover
#

we find that out when we do the dungeon and through quests

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tidemother is an ancient entity

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we dont know who they are

jade basalt
#

There's a kraken statue. It's a (small, maybe ?) leap to immediately conclude it's actually N'zoth, and another one to claim this is because they delibarately wanted to reference Cthulhu..

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Ctulhu if anything directly inspired the name C'Thun, if that matters.

grizzled sleet
#

Azshara may have been impersonating the Tidemother since tidesages claim that the Tidemother's "voice changed".

dense plover
#

she definitely was

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she pretty much admits it at one point

serene axle
#

And also these were inspired by tidemother, yeah ? anniesThink

uncut vault
#

Yeah krakens have big ass eyes and tentacles too

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It’s an intentional misdirect

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Tidesages are supposed to be creepy and reclusive, it’s why the Kul tirans don’t suspect much when they vanish

serene axle
#

so you think it's like a miniature of kraken's iconic things yeah

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like a symbol

dense plover
#

yes

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its all kraken stuff

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it isnt nzoth

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it isnt azshara

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its something else

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something thats been suppressed by azshara and nzoth recently

grizzled sleet
#

Jaina did nothing wrong

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Azshara did nothing wrong

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Sylvanas.....

hollow dock
#

Azhsara did a few things wrong

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so did Jaina

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Just the latter is heavily justified in the wrong she's done

grizzled sleet
#

So

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What was Anduin first lie?

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Sargeras imprisonned or Bolvar even if he doesn't know he's the lich king?

uncut vault
#

still assuming that A) its about Anduin and B) that ilgynoth can be trusted

zealous basalt
#

"I'm virgin"

uncut vault
#

nice shot, + nice detail in the radiation from the iris still being there

grizzled sleet
#

I think first lie is about Sargeras imprisonned

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Dat blade has shiny eye. Always watchin us. Why you no see it?

Three lies. Da first one been told.

Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!

he's talking about the blade watching then "Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!" which means he's not really imprisonned

sharp bluff
#

Sargaris redemption arc? It better make more sense then Genn one

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Though I guess the Genn one makes sense considering there was a civil war in his country because of him

terse patrol
#

I still think Anduin sits at the Masters table, aka Master Mathias Shaw. P-sure he was lying when he said he didnt know what the Azerite was.

grizzled sleet
#

I think the master is Sargeras

hearty anvil
#

someone debate me on jaina

grizzled sleet
#

First lie = Sargeras imprisonned. This is what every one believe now on Azeroth.
Second lie when says to Sylvanas "Only one of us wanted this war" actually Nzoth wanted this war, maybe even Sargeras wanted this war, Jaina, Genn and maybe even Anduin himself

hearty anvil
#

i think she is unstable

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and should be locked

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anyone who disagrees debate me

grizzled sleet
#

Why would she?

hearty anvil
#

because she can't tell right from wrong and is on a rampage to kill every single horde member

grizzled sleet
#

She's not wrong to think so

uncut vault
hearty anvil
#

she is

grizzled sleet
#

She's not
and she shouldn't be locked
If you disagree debate me

hearty anvil
#

get in voice chat

grizzled sleet
#

No

hearty anvil
#

ok then im right

nova hornet
#

She is

grizzled sleet
#

You didn't say anything to be right

nova hornet
#

did you even watch the video?

hearty anvil
#

you said no to anything i said. How does that make you more right than me?

grizzled sleet
#

You just said

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i think she is unstable
and should be locked
anyone who disagrees debate me

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How can this be right if you don't argument it?

hearty anvil
#

Garrosh's actions based on his morale alone are twisting Jaina's thoughts to the point where she wants to commit mass genocide when in actuality only one person was responsible for her misery and is unwilling to admit the truth and is currently in stage of denial

uncut vault
#

but it isnt mass genocide, and it isnt just garrosh

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after garrosh, people said "well it was just garrosh!"

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after dalaran, people said "well it was just the sunreavers!"

grizzled sleet
#

Did you play the theramore scenario ? it was the horde who destroyed theramore

uncut vault
#

after WoD, people said "well it was just the orcs!"

hearty anvil
#

so when a person wishes to kill off an entire faction its not mass genocide?

grizzled sleet
#

Not just Garrosh

uncut vault
#

after the broken shore, people said "well it was just sylvanas!"

hearty anvil
#

on Garrosh's orders

uncut vault
#

where has she said she wants to kill the entire horde?

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shes tried to dismantle it

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that isnt killing

hearty anvil
#

wasnt it enought to show when she went off on a rampage in dalaran?

#

Horde members of the kirin tor who were not willing to leave were either going to be locked or killed

uncut vault
#

against soldiers who resisted arrest, against traitors to a neutral city*

hearty anvil
#

She sees the entire horde as the enemy

zealous basalt
hearty anvil
#

o the horde members who still stood against Garrosh and his followers in the end are also monsters I guess

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so*

strange falcon
#

i approve of this memebait ^

grizzled sleet
hollow dock
#

Mim. You do realize that Anduins words

#

are only speaking him to Sylvanas.

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or are you all just memeing

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I can't tell anymore

zealous basalt
#

...

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Go to sleep vris

hollow dock
#

Sorry that I want to take peoples questions and speculations about the 'Three lies' bit of the boy king serious

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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how dare I amiright?

zealous basalt
#

Yep

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How dare you

grizzled sleet
#

HOW DARE YOU BREAK MY SPECULATIONS

urban dew
#

The first lie was already told

grizzled sleet
#

We know that

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But what is it, that's the question

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Dat blade has shiny eye. Always watchin us. Why you no see it?

Three lies. Da first one been told.

Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!

Da next gonna come soon. Maybe dey see dis one.

hollow dock
#

I doubt it was Sargeras. Since anduin never told us that.

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We saw it ourselves

grizzled sleet
#

The first lie is something linked to this "Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!"

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Gamepedia says it's either Sargeras or the Lich King

zealous basalt
#

coulb be lk

hollow dock
#

The only issue with that is well.

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Neither of those really make sense

grizzled sleet
#

"The first lie ("Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!") may refer to Sargeras's imprisonment at the Seat of the Pantheon or to the Lich King and his Frozen Throne."

hollow dock
#

The Lich King has never been bound by the Throne on Icecrown.

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He stays there as a gesture of good faith, but otherwise could leave at any time he wishes.

tropic trail
#

The throne is bound to the Lich King

urban dew
#

Don't forget what Antorus was called

hollow dock
#

As for Sargeras, yea it coul dbe that sargeras isn't actually trapped in the seat

tropic trail
#

He's dead at the seat

hollow dock
#

but at the same time, that kinda just takes the piss on the ending of Legion.

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Nah he's alive in the seat Lilo

tropic trail
#

Shhh

urban dew
#

Antorus, the Burning Throne

tropic trail
#

Illidaddy killed Sargeras in a jockstrap

urban dew
#

It was called that, but I wonder why a throne?

tropic trail
#

Could be that it's not really a throne but moreso of a crown jewel

hollow dock
#

Maybe it's talking of Calia? People think she's bound by the crown, or throne, of lordaeron but she can turn around and leave it.

tropic trail
#

Could be bound to the burden of what was and is now Lordaeron?

grizzled sleet
#

The problem is that on the same page he's talking about Sargeraas blade

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Dat blade has shiny eye. Always watchin us. Why you no see it?

Three lies. Da first one been told.

Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!

Da next gonna come soon. Maybe dey see dis one.

urban dew
#

No

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There is one we're forgetting

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Argus

hollow dock
#

The issue with mad peoples ravings is that they can be speaking

#

completely independantly

#

of various things

#

and we'd never tell

#

since its all bunched together

zealous basalt
#

Who is Sargeras tho

hollow dock
#

...

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go to sleep Makore

urban dew
#

Remember Argus' lines after we beat him?

zealous basalt
#

Yep?

urban dew
#

It didn't make it in game

zealous basalt
#

Is he Sargeras?

grizzled sleet
#

What lines?

tropic trail
#

I think that still furthers my point that Antorus is more of a crown jewel

urban dew
#

But he yells, "Free! Finally free!"

hollow dock
#

I mean

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if it didn't make it in game, it's not really canon.

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O.o

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like Calia's line of not being interested in lordaeron that never made it to live.

urban dew
#

But it still brings up an interesting point

#

Usually bosses have some sort of final line after we beat them

#

We see nothing of Argus

#

Just his soul in the pantheon

#

It felt way too sudden

grizzled sleet
#

I understand now

#

it's cinematic after Argus

#

Where Anduin talk to everyone on Stormwind

#

he says that we beat the Burning Legion

#

but Sargeras is still alive

urban dew
#

Yeah, that's what people think the first lie is

#

That the Legion was beat

hollow dock
#

but

#

uh

#

guys

#

Velen said that same line

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that the Burning Crusade is over. the Legion is done for

uncut vault
#

its not a lie if the person saying it believes it

hollow dock
#

which it is. Sargeras was the only one holding it together

uncut vault
#

gotta be intentionally false from the person

urban dew
#

I think the first lie deals with Argus

hollow dock
#

Demons aren't known to work together for long periods of time. With no unifying leader in Sargeras, the Crusade and Legion is done for. To much in fighting otherwise

grizzled sleet
#

What did I just read

#

N'zoth is imprissoned in a "Circle of Stars" as told by the whisper, and as speculated in Deepholm's skybox. All the titans are Constellations, aka Stars. With the last one in its place, the circle is complete and the key is fit.
Xal'atath sais: "Long have we sought entry into this realm! To think we have a mortal to thank for giving us our foothold. Your service will be remembered!" (at the Seat of the Pantheon)

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🤔

hollow dock
#

wat

tropic trail
#

Titans are planets..?

long path
#

Titans are world souls, beings that many planets are built around, just like Azeroth

urban dew
#

Yeah

hollow dock
#

yea. that person didn't realize this

grizzled sleet
#

Oh

jade basalt
#

That's a lot of orcs

viral terrace
#

Not tomorrow for EU

#

Why can't they just release it all at the same time

hollow dock
#

yea but we dont care about the EU

grizzled sleet
#

EU = Alliance
US = Horde

#

Asia = Pandaren

long path
#

I am in the EU, but I don't play one faction, I factions change to stay with the highest population on my server 😄

sharp bluff
#

obviously everyone will play both, for both mounts 😆

#

except Vris

uncut vault
#

you get the mount on both sides for doing one

sharp bluff
#

oh? I thought it was had to do both

grizzled sleet
#

Da star watchin Ogmot. Too shiny! Ogmot gonna hide from it.

Da dagger spoke true. It been too long since Ogmot got drowned.

Masters! No forsake Ogmot!

Da Star, is probably the new light you can see in the skybox, the seat of the pantheon.
Da dagger is possibly xal'atath, since this is the only dagger we know of that speaks.

Roused by her screams. Stirred by da whispers.

A blessin from da Masters. Now Ogmot understand!

A door. A path. Ours... Ours...

Fool! Da circle awakened us all!

"Roused by her screams. Stirred by da whispers." This is most likely Azeroth, Screaming in pain from either the sword or as he sais, the whispers.
"A door. A Path. Ours... Ours..." this can reference the wound in azeroth, a path to corrupt her.
"Fool! Da circle awakened us all!" Again, da circle is likely the seat of the pantheon, the circle of stars. Possibly meaning all the old gods have woken,
or every remnant thereof.

#

🤔

zealous basalt
#

So

#

Officially

#

The Battle for Azeroth has begun?

grizzled sleet
#

yea let's fight each other and reclaim our world

zealous basalt
#

I mean

#

Alliance has more right to reclaim the world

grizzled sleet
#

Azeroth is alliance btw

#

the titan

#

Maybe Sargeras will go horde murloc

zealous basalt
#

...

#

NOW

#

IM DOWN FOR THAT

long path
#

Azeroth is much more powerful than Sargeras, which is why Sargaras wanted to destroy her to stop it being corrupted by the void and also why the Pantheon keep trying to save her to replace the role of warrior that Sargeras left open

grizzled sleet
#

The problem is that Jaina can't let it go, Anduin is now a snowman, and Greymane is Sven.

#

🤔

uncut vault
#

good job avoiding making people ship jaina and genn, ythisens

#

👌

zealous basalt
#

...

#

Are they aware

#

That genn has a wife

#

That makes him purr like a kitten?

hollow dock
#

they dont care mak

#

they ship anyone with anyone

#

regardless of any relationships or small things like that

zealous basalt
#

tho it is hilarius

#

but i guess the flame of the passions do never extinguish

grizzled sleet
sharp bluff
#

🤔

#

that... that shirt makes a lot of sense

tropic trail
#

Jaina x Genn

#

Daughter of the Wolf

hollow dock
#

I don't get it

#

You can easily swap it around and make the shitpost irrelevant

#

o.o

tulip sun
#

Ooihhh

#

That call to arms thing looks coll

#

Cool

hollow dock
#

its a nice thing for pvpers

#

I guess?

tulip sun
#

Whast does it have to do with pvp???

night swift
#

cause faction war?

uncut vault
#

shame it doesnt work

zealous basalt
#

...

#

...

uncut vault
#

sonic mana bomb, doesnt work on wood

zealous basalt
#

what a cheap focusing iris

#

Why is Sylvanas in a ship?

tulip sun
#

It has nothing to do with pvpers, lol

#

Wait, what do you mean Makore?

zealous basalt
tulip sun
#

Where is thay

zealous basalt
#

Durotar

#

What is weird is

#

That they don't ahve aggro

#

And the captain is invincible

tulip sun
#

Huh

#

So is she in grommash hold? @zealous basalt

zealous basalt
#

...I won't enter there

#

R u nuts or wat

tulip sun
#

It is weird for her to be on the ship

#

Maybe she aint suppose to be there yet

#

Those dont look like orcish ships

zealous basalt
#

Perhaps a phasing bug?

tulip sun
#

Probably

#

Are they forsaken ships?

zealous basalt
#

yep

tulip sun
#

Any blood elf ships present?

#

I dont think trolls or tauren have ships

#

Only orcs, belf and forsaken

zealous basalt
#

nope

#

just

#

orc, goblin, and forsaken and her flagship

uncut vault
#

phasing bug

#

her stormheim ships arent supposed to be there

tulip sun
#

Oh crap

#

Goblins do have ships huh

uncut vault
#

theyre all over the place in BfA

#

venture co uses em a ton

tulip sun
#

I like the blood elf ship design

#

A pity none are seen

true matrix
#

when blood elves have a considerable number of ships but they don't get to sail about in the seafaring expansion grumpy

uncut vault
#

I just wish we had one of the silver cov ships out in the open world that isnt constantly covered in vrykul

hollow dock
#

the ones with the unicorns on em?

uncut vault
#

nah the blue ones up in northrend

#
Wowpedia

The Wavecrest is a Silver Covenant destroyer located in the middle of the Sea Reaver's Run just of the northern coast of Icecrown and east of its Sunreaver companion, the Firehawk.
Manned by Captain Elleane Wavecrest and her crew of Wavecrest Mariners, The Wavecrest is curren...

tropic trail
#

I want pirate unicorns

tulip sun
#

They look like blue blood elf shops

#

Ships

true matrix
#

well, high elf architecture is just bloof architecture but blue

zealous basalt
#

nono

#

you are all wrong

#

Blood elf architecture is High elf architecture but bloo

#

...red

stark pike
#

hey guys are in bfa paragon reputatation available?

tropic trail
#

Probably when you hit exalted with the reps

uncut vault
#

There is paragon, as far as I can see, but there arent mount rewards from it, thank god

terse patrol
#

smh I want Alextrasza drawn in the same style as Dragon Maid.

zealous basalt
#

Same i--

#

wait

#

what?

restive sage
#

is alextrasza a drago

#

c:

uncut vault
#

some stuff from SDCC panel, the alleria whispers arent doing to be dismissed lightly, they mean more than we might think

#

from the three sisters comic

tulip sun
#

WoW had a SDCC panel?

#

And i knew theyd be more

uncut vault
#

mhm

tulip sun
#

Everyone else claimed noooo

restive sage
#

is she not a drago 😦

zealous basalt
#

she is

restive sage
#

😮

#

drago that can be a purson tew? C:

zealous basalt
#

wat

#

speak clearly please

restive sage
#

can this drago turn into a person

zealous basalt
#

Yes

#

Dragons can turn into person

agile token
#

But it's currently bugged and only plays in very small areas randomly

zealous basalt
#

sigh

#

The only thing they didn't need to touch

#

Was FoF

agile token
#

@zealous basalt FoF?

zealous basalt
#

Fist of Fury

#

They turned it like WoD

#

And it was the worst iteration

#

Where the damage was halved with each target

#

They made them so artifact dependant

cosmic nimbus
#

ouch

zealous basalt
#

This is bulshit

#

And an insult

#

Where can I put a suggestion about class changing?

uncut vault
#

if youve got beta

zealous basalt
#

Think they would ever listen to a monk?

uncut vault
#

what do you mean?

zealous basalt
#

As a windwalker the rotation just feels incomplete

#

Even if we choose the Talent that replaced the artifact, it is not a 3/4 of what it was in Legion

#

With restoring FoF back to how it was in WoD, they got rid of part of our AoE

#

Rising sun kick just feels...low compared to Blackout kick

#

And due it, it feels forced to have more attacks in the rotation, because we can't repeat one attack

uncut vault
#

you'll be waiting till 8.1, or longer

#

WW isnt the only spec like that

#

a ton of specs are their legion counterpart, but just flat worse

zealous basalt
#

Why didn't they give that amount of love?

#

Like

#

It feels that they just say "Let's focus on these and remake them, the rest just give them an artifact based attack and be done with it"

#

Now...the last tier of monk talents...its an insult

#

Xuen is no longer viable even

#

Most of the talents are just...

#

Trash, compared to other classes that got a total revamp

#

However, mist weaving feels great

#

I don't know how to heal and I top charts easily

urban dew
#

Survival hunter feels good

zealous basalt
#

Survival feels great

#

Imo the best spec of Hunter in terms on fun

#

Tho MM doesn't stay behind

night swift
#

Yeah I love the new survival

#

Ehh MM feels weird

zealous basalt
#

Its WoD-esque

uncut vault
#

if youre a hunter, warrior, warlock, or disc priest, you'll feel great this patch

#

anything else, probably not

night swift
#

Warrior, Hunter, Monk, and Mage

#

Arcane mage feels great

uncut vault
#

mage is pretty horrid lol

zealous basalt
#

Fire mage

#

Is

#

op

uncut vault
#

arcane feels good because it does good damage

#

all thats holding mage up is good damage

night swift
#

It is a glass cannon

zealous basalt
#

They should like

#

Give monks chi explosion back

#

Make spiritual focus baseline

night swift
#

Honestly WW feels so weird to me now

zealous basalt
#

Get rid of both Xuen and Combo

night swift
#

The lower energy and higher tiger palm cost

zealous basalt
#

Change good karma to healing, because in terms of survival it sucks

#

Remove that bullshit crap of "Max 2" from chi blast

#

because honestly that's bullshit

night swift
#

Fist of the White Tiger feels like a bandage for the artifact ability

zealous basalt
#

Remove that

#

Abomination of Talent

#

Or make it entirely like how artifact was

#

And instead of generating, make it cost 2

night swift
#

Yeah the artifact ability was perfect

zealous basalt
#

The rotation felt complete

#

Thing is

#

With that bullcrap we are always 4+ chi

uncut vault
#

like I said, most specs are like that, artifact ability neutered because reasons

zealous basalt
#

And problem is we can't repeat

uncut vault
#

then placed on a talent tier

zealous basalt
#

That's just bad tbh

#

Instead of placing it into a talent tier

#

Make it different

night swift
#

Yeah we mess up at all our rotation is fucked

zealous basalt
#

Remember that pretty talent that got wiped out?

#

Wind Strikes?

#

That should come back tbh

#

Retribution paladin

#

Feels great

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And honestly

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Blizzard needs to work with the Azerite traits

tropic trail
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It's official

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The events of Darkshore begin tomorrow

agile token
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yes

night swift
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My friend has played nothing but ret pally on the beta

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He is terrifying in duels

uncut vault
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well, ret is also insanely overtuned atm

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same with specs like arcane mage

tropic trail
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I usually don't duel Rogues or Pallys because I can't do shit against them

uncut vault
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and disc priest

zealous basalt
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and i thought arcane was undertuned

tropic trail
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Frost DKs are

tender cedar
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Did I read something somewhere that the female night elf armor from like the game art of vanilla was going to be obtainable in game?

uncut vault
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We dont know if itll be obtainable for players yet

tender cedar
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Thank you, @uncut vault

tropic trail
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Pretty sure it was said that it was heritage armor for Night elves

dense plover
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it was not

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theyve said nothing of the sort

west mauve
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Guys, quick question, in Jaina's comic and short video we see Boralus in disrepair, amost in ruin actually, corpses on the street and in the water. Do we see the same things in the game?

zealous basalt
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not boralus

west mauve
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but?

zealous basalt
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Probably another area

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But not Boralus

tropic trail
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I'd assume its an area closer to Kalimdor

dense plover
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its theramore

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its obviously theramore

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kul tiras and alliance gear, stone work, ash

terse patrol
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ruined mage tower too

ornate pivot
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"Daughter of the Sea" betraying her father, that would be Theramore

agile token
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The video takes place right after the comic

dense plover
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yeah she teleports from boralus to theramore

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like, literally she teleports

west mauve
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oh

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now I get it

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at the end of Reunion she teleports back to theramore

dense plover
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yes

west mauve
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both memorials resamble each other: the swords and admiral statue

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and it tricked me

dense plover
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its on purpose

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theyre supposed to be similar places

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theramore was controlled by kul tiras before daelin fell

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then the alliance came and rebuilt it

west mauve
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I have another lore question. Wasn't Theramore founded by Jaina? ... and another noobish question, did the humans known that Kalimdor existed before WC3 events? because I remember Mediv being very criptinc in his advises to the human leaders

dense plover
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no

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the kul tirans built it when they found the horde on kalimdor

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after following jaina

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they knew it existed

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but no one went there

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the sea was dangerous

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they didnt know the details of kalimdor

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they just knew there was a landmass of some sort there

west mauve
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Thanks, watched the video again. The ruins, "arcane dust" and corpses make sense now, didn't get the teleport from the graphical representation from the comic. May I ask what's the actual state of Boralus? In comic Jaina says that the place is broken.

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And in the comic, everything looks a little dirty. But the screenshots and teasers look ok.

dense plover
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Broken as in leadership is a mess

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And the 4 houses are disconnected

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It’s part of the questing there

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You’ll see

west mauve
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@dense plover Thanks for the spoiler free infos. Now I'm out of here before they start telling me Jaina's a dreadlord. See you!

jovial coral
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Jaina gets fat

west mauve
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nooo 😦

uncut vault
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Someone a while back mentioned a timeline of the zones in BfA, I cant seem to find it

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I know theres a very specific timeline with which zone and which part of the war campaign happens when

unborn pagoda
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Question.. Conquest points from players and being marked as horde/aliance assassin on map is think just for 110/20 or also for rest of the world?

strange valley
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SO spoiler I am looking for where do Nelfs and Undead sett up nee capitals/base of operation?

uncut vault
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currently, Night Elves and Gilneans are refugees in Stormwind, and set up behind the Dwarven district, in the fields beside the Embassy, while the Forsaken are scattered throughout Orgrimmar, mostly up on the city ramparts

ruby star
karmic copper
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its definitely new

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i havent seen it before too

sullen dagger
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ok, bets

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i bet my right kidney that jaina singlehanedly kill every single green skinned orc in the world

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that gaze send me shivers man

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starting with the green jesus

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she gonna bitchslap every xeno out there

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man i'm so pumped up right now

tranquil steeple
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either she's actually gonna be the one to kill all the orcs, or be the reason they're killed by other means, no doubt

sullen dagger
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she's a lil ball 'o rage right now

true matrix
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I'd say "I'd die for her" but considering I'm a horde main I actually would probably

summer cobalt
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@ruby star the corruption is from when Sha of Doubt imprisons you

ruby star
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@summer cobalt Ah well I've never seen it before, as it nows appears in the room when you first enter fight

summer cobalt
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weird

ruby star
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@sullen dagger Jaina's short animation, makes me more hyped to vanquish the evil horde. alliance The horde is pure evil

summer cobalt
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no, Sylvanas is, most of the horde is fine

ruby star
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Nah, the horde is evil

summer cobalt
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like Baine is chill

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and Ji Firepaw is nice

ruby star
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The entire horde needs to be vanquished

summer cobalt
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"They are not strong despite one another; they are strong BECAUSE of one another." - Tong the Fixer in the Legendary Cloak questline

ruby star
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huh?

sullen dagger
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not the entire horde

ruby star
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I will happily slay the entire horde, For the Alliance ! alliance

sullen dagger
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but some of the head honchos are fucking plain evil

ruby star
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sure Baine doesn't deserve to die but the rest do

sullen dagger
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i'd be super hyped to have ebonhorn / baine / saurfang / firepaw as leaders

summer cobalt
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the alliance is stronger with the horde, without, we'd be weak

sullen dagger
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on a concul

ruby star
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lol Ebonhorn sucks

sullen dagger
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council*

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ebonhorn is cool

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kinda pussy, but eh

ruby star
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Wrathion ftw

sullen dagger
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its horde

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wrathion for alliance

ruby star
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I agree

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Wrathion 100% alliance

uncut vault
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Totally betting Jaina will kill either Thrall or Rexxar this xpac in a patch

ruby star
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I hope so @uncut vault

uncut vault
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Thrall death could seriously shake the Horde, even Sylvanas a bit id imagine

summer cobalt
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bruh, what if Gallywix was warchief?

uncut vault
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Get down in the underhold you worthless Slaaaaaaaaves!

ruby star
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he wouldn't last that long imo

hollow dock
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What I hope is that she kills Rexxar