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(Realism of how much crew is needed to sail a ship aside)
You can easily use arcane to raise and move the ship.
Jaina is an archmage
Manipulating the water around it to move. Like we manipulate water and fire for everything else.
even so, takes a full crew to control a ship that size, we see that with the other Kul Tiran ships, crew + magic wind person
Jaina's a mage.. who likes water magic.. who summons water elementals.. I'm not surprised she can lift a ship from the water
^
That too
She created the Black Pearl
Lol
and suddenly she is strong enough to move a warship, and all its stuff without a crew, even though all the other ships still need a crew.... 😑 never mind Blizz writing, I should not be surprised
What do you mean suddenly
the woman has the POWER OF A TITAN IN HER STAFF
are you serious
Its fucking magic
By far, she's one of the most powerful mages on Azeroth
she's probably the most powerful mortal one WITHOUT being a guardian
Eh there's contestion on that with Khadgar and most elder blue dragons
(azshara's no longer mortal. so im not counting her for modern time.)
She’s likely more powerful than Khadgar
Medivh didnt givr Khadgar special powers
Give*
Like. I used Nihlus as an example: Where Darth Nihlus moved a warship using the Force
and the ship was broken. A skeleton of its formerself
Azshara was the most powerful mage and may still be
Jaina is probably the most powerful conjurer right now?* Better way of putting it.
Most likely.
Conjuration deals with hydromancy / ice / etc.
She's up there with Khadgar, Azshara, Kalecgos for mortal magic users on Azeroth
waifu jainaa
Medivh is probably the only one that can outright beat her. since he's still Guardian
Isn't Jaina a transmuter first and foremost? I'm pretty sure lore is that it's her prefered school (especially teleportation)
@hollow dock or azshara
She prefered studying
But, in studying, she's become one of the most powerful mageson Azeroth.
All that she always wanted is to stusy
Jaina is gonna make sure her crimes are payed for wether they like it or not
Azshara still reigns as the most powerful
She gets her crimes paid
Especially since her staff, the Staff of Antonidas, has absorbed the great Lightning machine that Lei Shen made.
which was powered by a fragment of Aman'thuls soul
She could also have made some kind of deal with someone/something to give her the power to raise and move the ship.
Other languages have their own versions https://twitter.com/MargauxCauvin/status/1021448634687197185
Warbringers Episode 1 is now live! #soundON #goosebumps ⬇
Don't miss Jaina's song around the world:
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🇪🇦: https://t.co/nppvwyNQfh
🇮🇹: https://t.co/4RNBO8bMbY
🇩🇪: https://t.co/yxwOx3v040
🇸🇮: https://t.co/mTL586dkpb h...
so she's got a fragment of Aman'thuls power in that staff
Jaina - Most powerful living conjurer.
Khadgar - Most powerful living arcanist.
Medivh - Most powerful living mage.
Kalecgos - Secondmost powerful living arcanist? Likely higher when he wasn't mortal.
Like, that seems fairish.
Oh certainly higher. In non-mortal life of him being Aspect, he would possibly be the only one to beat Medivh
Yeah. Even if his time as Aspect was very short compared to Malygos.
Nah. Not sunwells. Humans. >>
just humans
Jaina you deserve a better BF...
just so happaned that the first one he wanted to fuck was the Sunwell
he literally dumped his consort-to-be for a who he thought was a human
U fucking wot m8
I mean
Y u do dis
he never really liked Tyry that way. As far as I remember: he was more like a sister to him
Tyry was having none of it tho
Tyry then went with a human
She went elf*
Wasnt her protector a human?
Oh thought you typed in the means of transform
my bad
nah you right. she went with a human
She transformed into a cute elf
And kalecgos went
Human-elf
With an unique model
That is outdated now
it...it wasn't actualy unique
it was 1.1 sized by comparison of normal humans and had blue hair
who woulda thought a bunch of humans wrote to have romances with a bunch of humans
Well manduin is hot
Oof
Id love to see him with the menethil girl
Yeah
Isn’t Calia an undead now though.
Not exactly
Also it would mean the union between old loraderon and stormwind
No
I prefer that theory
That he will get with Talia
And that Talia = Wrathion
Yeah
I’d see him getting with Taelia before anyone else.
Those are the two possibilities
Actually he will marry Velen
King Anduin Wrynn of Argus
Of course when Sylvanas destroy Stormwind
And he can make childs with Lightforged draeneis
No
Pls
Another Sylvanas will come from another timeline to take her place
Saying that Horde will win WoW
Is like
Idk
Saying that an elephant will cross a micro hole
And she will cure undeads with her powers
Horde is like void lords, they can never win
Unless.....
Points to Xera
So
Imagine if there was
but is it really horde bias then
Horde = Void lords
Alliance = Naaru / Xe'ra
Pandaren = Illidan
Que Taran Zhu charging in yelling "You are not prepared!"
THIS IS NOT YOURS TO TAKE
Don't compare my boi Taran Zhu to Illidan
Do we know what the next warbringer is ? Azshara or Sylvanas?
I'm gonna bet on Azshara
Seems like it's Azshara
But if the Sylvie short reveals the end of Teldrassil
That's also something to go by, yeah
The third one should be out before launch, regardless
Azshara
She's immortal?
Demigods in Warcraft are immortal, but they are neither omniscient nor omnipotent. Otherwise, among other things, they would have known immediately of the Burning Legion's first invasion, and they would have been able to thwart it with ease.
Demigods :
Azshara
Cenarius
Malorne
Does it mean we can't kill her?
Immortal =/ Invincible
Aszhara can be killed too
Aszhara's gonna be killable once we find her raid 😛
Once we find where is it
Anyone think Jainas shanty will get released as a full song?
Is gonna buy
Malorne, Cenarius and just about every other demigod and god out there has been slain
So
But we had Cenarius in the physical world before the Nightmare took him over, didn't we?
Yea and he died to grom
I just found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVc231SNmpc
I fixed the loud passages and cropped it to make it into a song you can listen to nicely.
Jaina : Daughter of the Sea
Azshara : Queen of the Sea
N'Zoth : God of the Sea
Sylvanas : ?????????????????????
Windrunner of the Sea 
🤔
The song needs chains and stomps
We need more WoW-specific songs, though. I constantly need to rewrite some for my RP guild to have something to sing.^^
Noes
@dense plover Think Jaina was using necromancy with her dad's supposed spirit and going out to raise the boat? I personally don't think so, but would like your input on that.
The song from the video was datamined 4 months ago https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/84tlx5/folksong_about_jaina_in_kul_tiras/
OH
MY
GAWD
are they going to make this like the Highborne song?
please tell me they'll make it a singing toy
@hollow dock its a boat
it was sunk
she just used magic to bring it to the surface
the whole thing with the spirit taking her their seems to be just a result of the many deaths at theramore
fair enough.
that's what I also thought of it but just wanted someone likeminded that doesn't agree with me at all times :p
yeah its not necromancy
i mean
the spirit is
but its like - unsettled stuff necromancy
not - evil kill everyone necromancy
Hmm...
Idk
It doesn't seem like something we know
To me it felt like if she was in another plane where the dead are closer to the living
how?
she rides there from theramore
the crashed boats are from around theramore i think
So, more so she called upon the unrested spirit
rather than she rose the spirit
into unrest
Ye
yeah thats what i saw
thats why she gave it her necklace
and then she says "im listening father"
and it goes away
because its conditions for rest have been satisfied
That video is just amazing.
this is one of few things that has me genuinely excited for BfA
maybe next week we will bet sylvanas before burning of teldrassil to get some emotions going on
and i wonder.. if azshara one after burning to explain some stuff or before next raid
if the other harbingers shorts are near as well-crafted as this one... man, I'm looking forward to it
I heard some people saying that the song is part of Stormsong Valley questline and that's why it was datamined, is that true?
i bet azshara is next
ye, peeps are singing that song in kul'tiras even if i remember
why do you think sylvanas will be last one
They will follow this order
🤔
so i can say speculation here ye ? or it's only for comfirmed stuff about bfa etc ?
You can
you can speculate
it is? I saw someone saying it wasn't so I wasn't certain
Because if that thing about Azshara burning teldrassil and making even more chaos for N'zoth is true 🤔
its possible
Pyro as source of lore 
i mean
his tactic is simple
shoot everywhere everything
and some of it will be right
maybe 20% of his speculation will be true
but some vids are total shitfest
"I can't be wrong about everything if I guess everything will happen all at once"
If Azshara doesn't burn Teldrassil, what else could make her a Warbringer ? something she did in the past?
I mean, that certainly would qualify
considering she allowed the burning legion access to azeroth and started the war of the ancients as a result
Attacking from sea to ally and horde in war
^
also
all the shit she is doing in KT
and whatever power she is looking for near Zandalar
it's a seafaring-based expansion and she's at the bottom of the sea. it makes sense that she would make a move at this point.
Her objective was to "release" G'huun right ? to make chaos as it's goal of Old Gods
it would be cool to see some kind of old god, azerite, coral, sea castle
I can imagine nazjatar being a zone introduced in a later patch, definitely
well
raised from the sea just like broken shore long ago
i don't think we will kill her in second tier
i dont think we will end her either
but she is the end boss of that tier
i think she will win and release nzoth
I really hope she doesn't die
Also take on mind, puzzle box of yogg saron will be opened in uldir
because that would be cool af
inb4 azshara killsteals herself
as achievment said
i mean
thats a meta achieve
not story relevant really
there are images of yogg there
so its like a little meta thing
puzzle box was never a "main story" thingy
OR,they could do a lich king kind of thing,where she actually DOES kill us at the end of the fight,and just runs away after?
it was just a hint kinda
I hope they will reveal more about N'zoth in Azshara warbringers
ye
Murlocs incoming on patch 8.1
it was prpbly awakening of N'zoth power kinda stuff as he transformed Azshara and her servants to Naga
or leading into the next one
it would make sense like how warlords led into legion
bfa could lead to a fully old god expac
I like
How they added those things that grab her
Imagine how suggestive would it be if
you mean like ressurection of all old gods and rise of black empire ? 😄
N'zoth tentacles wrapped around her instead
or what old god themed like
Calamari?
N'Zoth and his servants corrupt some old zones so that they can be revamped next expac
Stab a tentacle into Stormwind
Or maybe we will kill his Azeroth presence, as we did with all ofthers
and travel to shadowlands or relam of old gods
And return to fight each other
who knows, blizz can go wild with these things
BFA 2.0
Like not even One of Old Gods is totally "death"
i'm sure Nyalotha will play something with Nzoth, either in a raid or a zone or another realm we access to weaken Nzoth or something
you know what Ll'gynoth said
and also to what puzzle box refered
N'zoth is basically in Nyalotha
but is it the physical realm or a parallel one ?
That's good question
When Ll'gynoth dies he says he's going to Nyalotha
and you can't really tell
ye, he said N'zoth, he mentioned him I journey to nyalotha
I think Nyalotha is a parallel realm just like emerald dream, and as they said, everything is sleeping there, so if we go there, we're bascally put asleep unless we find something to avoid that
So it's shadow lands, and maybe if you die, you will be awake .. who knows
We have 0 clue that's the thing 😄

Even "second part" of azeroth could be thing
some building there from times of black empire, generals and faceless ones sleeping and waiting to return of their masters
Lol @ people saying the other day that Jaina and Katherine are admitting Daelin was wrong
@uncut vault A black elf ? What.. Have... You... Done... ?
LUL
Diversity, what horror

But shtill i kinda wonder, if these monstrosity have some deeper meaning 🤔 or if they are basically structures as we seen in dragon soul etc
Well first is just Hearthstone, which isn’t canon, second is from way back during the black empire, before the old gods were imprisoned, so that is likely Cthuns true form
Do not be impressed by tall icons of the titans which stand here. The towers of sacrifice in Ny'alotha dwarf these pathetic temples.
That fel edifice towering over this land pales in comparison to the grandeur of what stood here long ago.
(speaking of Black Empire)
I want a dark lava area like that
Last night, Ogmot dreams of great battle. Two fleets bashin on ocean of blood.
Shadows twistin beneath da ships, risin. Risin. Ogmot so happy watching the carnage!
Then Ogmot gets waked up by skitterin sounds. Stupid bugs!
Dont matter. Ogmot knows dese dreams soon come true.
Is it about Teldrassil ? or something else?
I wil lnote this Mim
Warbringers
are not bringers of war
the whole point of the series are a bunch of people that have war brought to them and are unbroken by it
and here's the thing Port
Hearthstone is
somewhat canon
somewhat.
not entirely canon, but things like the situation of Gadgetzan is canon to WoW apparently.
where its split up between the three gangs and all.
and one thing to note Mim: Teldrassil doesn't seethe horde fleet
It is just the alliancefleet returning to late as the tree is set ablaze
🤔
The battle for Teldrassil is almost entirely in Darkshore
Nah Hearthstone is basically like the RPG, but better produced
Ogmot dream jurnal is about things to come
I mean
the gadgetzan situation in Hearthstone is in WoW. o;
apparently
through Traveler
And ye, Hs is somewhat canon
and Tortollan
Yeah that’s exactly what I mean, it’s non canon until WoW developers see something they like
Can't wait for Jaina to wreck havoc on the horde
It’s a canon thing within the universe, as a board game
We already see her do that in Lordareon.
Even image of N'zoth seems fair as it looks like a C'thulhu
Warlords Toy, bought in garrison, also can receive a signed card from missions 😉
I would imagine n'zoth looks somewhat like his hearthstone art.
@hollow dock Aye, but more havoc 😉
But where xpacs like gadgetzan or the grand tournament could be canon within existing lore
He will prpbly look like that
Sky captain Kragg
Xpacs like knights of the frozen throne and whispers of the old gods are explicitly not canon
And big ol what ifs
or like was painted on ulduar and waht it was.. raid in panda, something of fear i think
Heart of Fear
heart of fear
Heart of Fear
ye
Ye, Klaxxi were minions of Y'shaarj
but we already know how he looks
and this
is not Y'shaarj
It looks like octopus and C'thulhu has head of octopus, and C'thulhu is basically N'zoth because blizz used whole H.P: lovecraft 😄
The shrine of the storms likely isn’t of any old god related mischief
It’s dedicated to the Tidemother
Yeah, and the Kul tirans have had their temple for a lot longer than they’ve been involved with the old gods
Their shrines to the Tidemother, which our friendly tidesages use, look just like the Shrine
N'zoth is the Tidemother
There's a shrine that the Friendly Tide Sage prays to
That looks literally like N'zoth
But I can't find my screenshot of it
(And when he prays, he -dedicates- the souls of the fallen to the Shrine of the Storm and the sea)
(🤔 🤔 🤔 )
What's the most used word by villains on World of Warcraft ?
"foolish mortal" "insects" "interloper" "weaklings"
Find the correct answer and Teldrassil won't burn
And N'zoth is here much longer than Kul'tirans, tidemother was blessing ships and helping them basically, but with infestation and some priest coruppted, they started to lisen whispers, and some of them started to worship god of the sea
That is a shrine to the Tidemother, like I said
And doesn’t look much like Nzoth in terms of his actual face
There is also this Kultiras concept art
It looks like a standard kraken
KRAKEN
(admittedly, I just like the idea that N'zoth -was- benevolently helping the Tide Sages for years, waiting for the right moment to corrupt them)
y, also these corrupted ridesages can reanimate tentacle monuments into real void ones etc
It's literally just a kraken, it looks nothing like N'Zoth himself.
there is so much of that stuff
Of which we know there are friendlies, and of non-old god origins
How many creepy kraken gods can there possibly be
Especially when half the Tide Sages fall to the Void Side
And our Stormsong faction is filled with ones who don’t
And still call upon the Tidemother for their power
It doesn't have to be a particular being in particular. Some humans in real life kneel and prey before a cross, that doesn't mean that the thing they worship is the cross, but what it represents.
as i said, N'zoth is reference to C'Thulhu who have head of kraken, so it can be him
you can't actually confirm anything at this point 😄
Literally all the Old Gods are references to Lovecraft's Elder Gods.
Not just N'Zoth in particular.
But C'thulhu was most interesting one and rewrited by many
Then it's a kraken. Not necessarily N'Zoth, who looks wildly different from a kraken.
he is most known one
Blizz doesn’t actually care about the lovecraft mythos, they ripped names from it for their creepy old gods and can’t change them at this point
tidemother isnt nzoth
azshara essentially has convinced a lot of the priests that she is the tidemother
but she isnt
That's this speculation thingy, you can really tell how he looks like, only reference is statues, HS card, even it's not a canon or C'thulhu himself 😄
we find that out when we do the dungeon and through quests
tidemother is an ancient entity
we dont know who they are
There's a kraken statue. It's a (small, maybe ?) leap to immediately conclude it's actually N'zoth, and another one to claim this is because they delibarately wanted to reference Cthulhu..
Ctulhu if anything directly inspired the name C'Thun, if that matters.
Azshara may have been impersonating the Tidemother since tidesages claim that the Tidemother's "voice changed".
Yeah krakens have big ass eyes and tentacles too
It’s an intentional misdirect
Tidesages are supposed to be creepy and reclusive, it’s why the Kul tirans don’t suspect much when they vanish
yes
its all kraken stuff
it isnt nzoth
it isnt azshara
its something else
something thats been suppressed by azshara and nzoth recently
Azhsara did a few things wrong
so did Jaina
Just the latter is heavily justified in the wrong she's done
So
What was Anduin first lie?
Sargeras imprisonned or Bolvar even if he doesn't know he's the lich king?
still assuming that A) its about Anduin and B) that ilgynoth can be trusted
"I'm virgin"
I think first lie is about Sargeras imprisonned
Dat blade has shiny eye. Always watchin us. Why you no see it?
Three lies. Da first one been told.
Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!
he's talking about the blade watching then "Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!" which means he's not really imprisonned
Sargaris redemption arc? It better make more sense then Genn one
Though I guess the Genn one makes sense considering there was a civil war in his country because of him
I still think Anduin sits at the Masters table, aka Master Mathias Shaw. P-sure he was lying when he said he didnt know what the Azerite was.
I think the master is Sargeras
someone debate me on jaina
First lie = Sargeras imprisonned. This is what every one believe now on Azeroth.
Second lie when says to Sylvanas "Only one of us wanted this war" actually Nzoth wanted this war, maybe even Sargeras wanted this war, Jaina, Genn and maybe even Anduin himself
Why would she?
because she can't tell right from wrong and is on a rampage to kill every single horde member
She's not wrong to think so
she is
She's not
and she shouldn't be locked
If you disagree debate me
get in voice chat
No
ok then im right
She is
You didn't say anything to be right
did you even watch the video?
you said no to anything i said. How does that make you more right than me?
You just said
i think she is unstable
and should be locked
anyone who disagrees debate me
How can this be right if you don't argument it?
Garrosh's actions based on his morale alone are twisting Jaina's thoughts to the point where she wants to commit mass genocide when in actuality only one person was responsible for her misery and is unwilling to admit the truth and is currently in stage of denial
but it isnt mass genocide, and it isnt just garrosh
after garrosh, people said "well it was just garrosh!"
after dalaran, people said "well it was just the sunreavers!"
Did you play the theramore scenario ? it was the horde who destroyed theramore
after WoD, people said "well it was just the orcs!"
so when a person wishes to kill off an entire faction its not mass genocide?
Not just Garrosh
after the broken shore, people said "well it was just sylvanas!"
on Garrosh's orders
where has she said she wants to kill the entire horde?
shes tried to dismantle it
that isnt killing
wasnt it enought to show when she went off on a rampage in dalaran?
Horde members of the kirin tor who were not willing to leave were either going to be locked or killed
against soldiers who resisted arrest, against traitors to a neutral city*
She sees the entire horde as the enemy
o the horde members who still stood against Garrosh and his followers in the end are also monsters I guess
so*
i approve of this memebait ^
@hearty anvil http://www.wowhead.com/item=89205/mini-mana-bomb
Guess who can use this?
THE HORDE
Mim. You do realize that Anduins words
are only speaking him to Sylvanas.
or are you all just memeing
I can't tell anymore
Sorry that I want to take peoples questions and speculations about the 'Three lies' bit of the boy king serious
¯_(ツ)_/¯
how dare I amiright?
HOW DARE YOU BREAK MY SPECULATIONS
The first lie was already told
We know that
But what is it, that's the question
Dat blade has shiny eye. Always watchin us. Why you no see it?
Three lies. Da first one been told.
Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!
Da next gonna come soon. Maybe dey see dis one.
The first lie is something linked to this "Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!"
Gamepedia says it's either Sargeras or the Lich King
coulb be lk
"The first lie ("Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!") may refer to Sargeras's imprisonment at the Seat of the Pantheon or to the Lich King and his Frozen Throne."
The Lich King has never been bound by the Throne on Icecrown.
He stays there as a gesture of good faith, but otherwise could leave at any time he wishes.
The throne is bound to the Lich King
Don't forget what Antorus was called
As for Sargeras, yea it coul dbe that sargeras isn't actually trapped in the seat
He's dead at the seat
but at the same time, that kinda just takes the piss on the ending of Legion.
Nah he's alive in the seat Lilo
Shhh
Antorus, the Burning Throne
Illidaddy killed Sargeras in a jockstrap
It was called that, but I wonder why a throne?
Could be that it's not really a throne but moreso of a crown jewel
Maybe it's talking of Calia? People think she's bound by the crown, or throne, of lordaeron but she can turn around and leave it.
Could be bound to the burden of what was and is now Lordaeron?
The problem is that on the same page he's talking about Sargeraas blade
Dat blade has shiny eye. Always watchin us. Why you no see it?
Three lies. Da first one been told.
Bound by dat throne? No. Free. Free!
Da next gonna come soon. Maybe dey see dis one.
The issue with mad peoples ravings is that they can be speaking
completely independantly
of various things
and we'd never tell
since its all bunched together
Who is Sargeras tho
Remember Argus' lines after we beat him?
Yep?
It didn't make it in game
Is he Sargeras?
What lines?
I think that still furthers my point that Antorus is more of a crown jewel
But he yells, "Free! Finally free!"
I mean
if it didn't make it in game, it's not really canon.
O.o
like Calia's line of not being interested in lordaeron that never made it to live.
But it still brings up an interesting point
Usually bosses have some sort of final line after we beat them
We see nothing of Argus
Just his soul in the pantheon
It felt way too sudden
I understand now
it's cinematic after Argus
Where Anduin talk to everyone on Stormwind
he says that we beat the Burning Legion
but Sargeras is still alive
but
uh
guys
Velen said that same line
that the Burning Crusade is over. the Legion is done for
its not a lie if the person saying it believes it
which it is. Sargeras was the only one holding it together
gotta be intentionally false from the person
I think the first lie deals with Argus
Demons aren't known to work together for long periods of time. With no unifying leader in Sargeras, the Crusade and Legion is done for. To much in fighting otherwise
What did I just read
N'zoth is imprissoned in a "Circle of Stars" as told by the whisper, and as speculated in Deepholm's skybox. All the titans are Constellations, aka Stars. With the last one in its place, the circle is complete and the key is fit.
Xal'atath sais: "Long have we sought entry into this realm! To think we have a mortal to thank for giving us our foothold. Your service will be remembered!" (at the Seat of the Pantheon)
🤔
wat
Titans are planets..?
Titans are world souls, beings that many planets are built around, just like Azeroth
Yeah
yea. that person didn't realize this
Oh
That's a lot of orcs
yea but we dont care about the EU
I am in the EU, but I don't play one faction, I factions change to stay with the highest population on my server 😄
you get the mount on both sides for doing one
oh? I thought it was had to do both
Da star watchin Ogmot. Too shiny! Ogmot gonna hide from it.
Da dagger spoke true. It been too long since Ogmot got drowned.
Masters! No forsake Ogmot!
Da Star, is probably the new light you can see in the skybox, the seat of the pantheon.
Da dagger is possibly xal'atath, since this is the only dagger we know of that speaks.
Roused by her screams. Stirred by da whispers.
A blessin from da Masters. Now Ogmot understand!
A door. A path. Ours... Ours...
Fool! Da circle awakened us all!
"Roused by her screams. Stirred by da whispers." This is most likely Azeroth, Screaming in pain from either the sword or as he sais, the whispers.
"A door. A Path. Ours... Ours..." this can reference the wound in azeroth, a path to corrupt her.
"Fool! Da circle awakened us all!" Again, da circle is likely the seat of the pantheon, the circle of stars. Possibly meaning all the old gods have woken,
or every remnant thereof.
🤔
yea let's fight each other and reclaim our world
Azeroth is much more powerful than Sargeras, which is why Sargaras wanted to destroy her to stop it being corrupted by the void and also why the Pantheon keep trying to save her to replace the role of warrior that Sargeras left open
The problem is that Jaina can't let it go, Anduin is now a snowman, and Greymane is Sven.
🤔
they dont care mak
they ship anyone with anyone
regardless of any relationships or small things like that
https://d24h4out7wreu3.cloudfront.net/product_images/p/953642.65.39b8aS7YyNAAA-650x650-b-p-eee.jpg
This is what happens when we say "FOR THE ALLIANCE"
Whast does it have to do with pvp???
cause faction war?
shame it doesnt work
sonic mana bomb, doesnt work on wood
Where is thay
Durotar
Quite the armada, innit?
What is weird is
That they don't ahve aggro
And the captain is invincible
It is weird for her to be on the ship
Maybe she aint suppose to be there yet
Those dont look like orcish ships
Perhaps a phasing bug?
yep
Any blood elf ships present?
I dont think trolls or tauren have ships
Only orcs, belf and forsaken
when blood elves have a considerable number of ships but they don't get to sail about in the seafaring expansion 
I just wish we had one of the silver cov ships out in the open world that isnt constantly covered in vrykul
the ones with the unicorns on em?
nah the blue ones up in northrend
I want pirate unicorns
well, high elf architecture is just bloof architecture but blue
nono
you are all wrong
Blood elf architecture is High elf architecture but bloo
...red
hey guys are in bfa paragon reputatation available?
Probably when you hit exalted with the reps
There is paragon, as far as I can see, but there arent mount rewards from it, thank god
smh I want Alextrasza drawn in the same style as Dragon Maid.
some stuff from SDCC panel, the alleria whispers arent doing to be dismissed lightly, they mean more than we might think
from the three sisters comic
mhm
Everyone else claimed noooo
is she not a drago 😦
she is
can this drago turn into a person
There is unique music playing at the ruins of lordaeron
But it's currently bugged and only plays in very small areas randomly
@zealous basalt FoF?
Fist of Fury
They turned it like WoD
And it was the worst iteration
Where the damage was halved with each target
They made them so artifact dependant
ouch
This is bulshit
And an insult
Where can I put a suggestion about class changing?
if youve got beta
Think they would ever listen to a monk?
what do you mean?
As a windwalker the rotation just feels incomplete
Even if we choose the Talent that replaced the artifact, it is not a 3/4 of what it was in Legion
With restoring FoF back to how it was in WoD, they got rid of part of our AoE
Rising sun kick just feels...low compared to Blackout kick
And due it, it feels forced to have more attacks in the rotation, because we can't repeat one attack
you'll be waiting till 8.1, or longer
WW isnt the only spec like that
a ton of specs are their legion counterpart, but just flat worse
Why didn't they give that amount of love?
Like
It feels that they just say "Let's focus on these and remake them, the rest just give them an artifact based attack and be done with it"
Now...the last tier of monk talents...its an insult
Xuen is no longer viable even
Most of the talents are just...
Trash, compared to other classes that got a total revamp
However, mist weaving feels great
I don't know how to heal and I top charts easily
Survival hunter feels good
Survival feels great
Imo the best spec of Hunter in terms on fun
Tho MM doesn't stay behind
Its WoD-esque
if youre a hunter, warrior, warlock, or disc priest, you'll feel great this patch
anything else, probably not
mage is pretty horrid lol
arcane feels good because it does good damage
all thats holding mage up is good damage
It is a glass cannon
Honestly WW feels so weird to me now
Get rid of both Xuen and Combo
The lower energy and higher tiger palm cost
Change good karma to healing, because in terms of survival it sucks
Remove that bullshit crap of "Max 2" from chi blast
because honestly that's bullshit
Fist of the White Tiger feels like a bandage for the artifact ability
Remove that
Abomination of Talent
Or make it entirely like how artifact was
And instead of generating, make it cost 2
Yeah the artifact ability was perfect
like I said, most specs are like that, artifact ability neutered because reasons
And problem is we can't repeat
then placed on a talent tier
Yeah we mess up at all our rotation is fucked
Remember that pretty talent that got wiped out?
Wind Strikes?
That should come back tbh
Retribution paladin
Feels great
And honestly
Blizzard needs to work with the Azerite traits
yes
I usually don't duel Rogues or Pallys because I can't do shit against them
and disc priest
and i thought arcane was undertuned
Frost DKs are
Did I read something somewhere that the female night elf armor from like the game art of vanilla was going to be obtainable in game?
We dont know if itll be obtainable for players yet
Thank you, @uncut vault
Pretty sure it was said that it was heritage armor for Night elves
Guys, quick question, in Jaina's comic and short video we see Boralus in disrepair, amost in ruin actually, corpses on the street and in the water. Do we see the same things in the game?
not boralus
but?
I'd assume its an area closer to Kalimdor
its theramore
its obviously theramore
kul tiras and alliance gear, stone work, ash
ruined mage tower too
"Daughter of the Sea" betraying her father, that would be Theramore
The video takes place right after the comic
yes
its on purpose
theyre supposed to be similar places
theramore was controlled by kul tiras before daelin fell
then the alliance came and rebuilt it
I have another lore question. Wasn't Theramore founded by Jaina? ... and another noobish question, did the humans known that Kalimdor existed before WC3 events? because I remember Mediv being very criptinc in his advises to the human leaders
no
the kul tirans built it when they found the horde on kalimdor
after following jaina
they knew it existed
but no one went there
the sea was dangerous
they didnt know the details of kalimdor
they just knew there was a landmass of some sort there
Thanks, watched the video again. The ruins, "arcane dust" and corpses make sense now, didn't get the teleport from the graphical representation from the comic. May I ask what's the actual state of Boralus? In comic Jaina says that the place is broken.
And in the comic, everything looks a little dirty. But the screenshots and teasers look ok.
Broken as in leadership is a mess
And the 4 houses are disconnected
It’s part of the questing there
You’ll see
@dense plover Thanks for the spoiler free infos. Now I'm out of here before they start telling me Jaina's a dreadlord. See you!
Jaina gets fat
nooo 😦
Someone a while back mentioned a timeline of the zones in BfA, I cant seem to find it
I know theres a very specific timeline with which zone and which part of the war campaign happens when
Question.. Conquest points from players and being marked as horde/aliance assassin on map is think just for 110/20 or also for rest of the world?
SO spoiler I am looking for where do Nelfs and Undead sett up nee capitals/base of operation?
currently, Night Elves and Gilneans are refugees in Stormwind, and set up behind the Dwarven district, in the fields beside the Embassy, while the Forsaken are scattered throughout Orgrimmar, mostly up on the city ramparts
When was the corruption on the floor, ever added to siege of org? never noticed it before/ don't remember seeing it before
ok, bets
i bet my right kidney that jaina singlehanedly kill every single green skinned orc in the world
that gaze send me shivers man
starting with the green jesus
she gonna bitchslap every xeno out there
man i'm so pumped up right now
either she's actually gonna be the one to kill all the orcs, or be the reason they're killed by other means, no doubt
she's a lil ball 'o rage right now
I'd say "I'd die for her" but considering I'm a horde main I actually would probably
@ruby star the corruption is from when Sha of Doubt imprisons you
@summer cobalt Ah well I've never seen it before, as it nows appears in the room when you first enter fight
weird
@sullen dagger Jaina's short animation, makes me more hyped to vanquish the evil horde.
The horde is pure evil
no, Sylvanas is, most of the horde is fine
Nah, the horde is evil
The entire horde needs to be vanquished
"They are not strong despite one another; they are strong BECAUSE of one another." - Tong the Fixer in the Legendary Cloak questline
huh?
not the entire horde
I will happily slay the entire horde, For the Alliance ! 
but some of the head honchos are fucking plain evil
sure Baine doesn't deserve to die but the rest do
i'd be super hyped to have ebonhorn / baine / saurfang / firepaw as leaders
the alliance is stronger with the horde, without, we'd be weak
on a concul
lol Ebonhorn sucks
Wrathion ftw
Totally betting Jaina will kill either Thrall or Rexxar this xpac in a patch
I hope so @uncut vault
Thrall death could seriously shake the Horde, even Sylvanas a bit id imagine
bruh, what if Gallywix was warchief?
Get down in the underhold you worthless Slaaaaaaaaves!
he wouldn't last that long imo
What I hope is that she kills Rexxar

