has nothing to do with this
#beta-ptr-spoilers
mint arch
mint arch
im talking that the story of a game is a PART of the design of a game
hollow dock
back to warframe I go
mint arch
lol, wow u really are something sometimes
strange falcon
i approve vris playing warframe 👍
terse patrol
San’layn would be cool tho. Life drain racial pls.
mint arch
vris 100% correct in all things - vris's opinion that is fact btw 
lul, i slightly sympathize with rys, trying to debate/argue with vris really is like talking to a wall sometimes
San'layn could have flying like worgen do running
hollow dock
oh absolutely
As I've said multiple times, the designing of the san'layn will be solid, thematical and either on par or slightly below what the other races are designed with.
The actual story reason will be shit since it's forced in.
mint arch
one of the elements of game design: storyline or plot
story is a part of game design = it is an element of game design
in-game lore comes under the story, so ya, if u make a stupid/forced lore decision, it is a poor game design choice... and sure, i never denied u can make a poor story choice but good design choice in say, gameplay, at the same time
jade basalt
You have to scroll to the half of the page before it even mentions story/plot. And this has absolutely nothing to do with your original point..
mint arch
its a section xD
jade basalt
It's a game. Games have stories. Of course story is a part of game design, nobody ever said the opposite, and it's not even remotely related to your point.
mint arch
Design elements is a section of that wiki page
are u really saying cause you have to scroll = irrelevant?
mint arch
vris said that story is not part of game design
btw
You have to scroll to the half of the page before it even mentions story/plot.
jade basalt
His sentence can depend entirely on the context..
mint arch
wtf does scrolling have to do with anything then?
jade basalt
Try to work your imagination.
mint arch
lol
vris said: "It'd be a bad STORY CHOICE but the game design would be pretty damn solid"
vris was separating story from game design
jade basalt
That is a valid sentence, though I don't know what it is about.
mint arch
i was saying that no, story is an element of game design, so if u make a poor story decision, it would be a poor game design choice
mint arch
and sure, i never denied u can make a poor story choice but good design choice in gameplay at the same time
loool
im wrong based on?
are u denying story is an element of game design?
jade basalt
No.
mint arch
then thats my point
jade basalt
Nope.
mint arch
we agree then
okaaay
guess we dont
i have to be wrong cause we had earlier argument about factions, aite mate
jade basalt
Honestly I just don't want to argue over.. the argument you had.. with someone else.
jade basalt
I suggest you spend some more time on those wiki pages though
rain bison
Yawn....
jade basalt
I used to make games for a living..
mint arch
congratulations mate
u are now the 100% correct expert in all things
im a software engineer btw, i have experience with game design from uni
👍
jade basalt
Sure.. you do.
rain bison
Im enjoying my popcorn btw
rain bison
It is!
rain bison
👌
mint arch
👍
distant folio
well story is one element of game design, but story is not game design
mint arch
never said it was game design
i agree
story is one element of game design
one part
distant folio
The other person is right, you can make a shitty story choice yet it still resulting in great game design.
mint arch
sure, i never said u couldnt do that
mint arch
where?
rain bison
More popcorn needed it seems
mint arch
i never wrote "u cant make a poor story choice and good game design choice"
distant folio
"i was saying that no, story is an element of game design, so if u make a poor story decision, it would be a poor game design choice"
mint arch
i wrote "making a poor story choice is a bad game design choice"
distant folio
Also you just edited your other comments so you're not wrong anymore lol so I cant quote them
mint arch
i did edit them, to make myself more clear i added in
distant folio
of course lol
you forgot that one though "story is an element of game design, so if u make a poor story decision, it would be a poor game design choice""
mint arch
"and sure, i never denied u can make a poor story choice but good design choice in say, gameplay, at the same time"
distant folio
that's the sentence you edited after the fact, yes
rain bison
mint arch
wait, are u denying that making a poor story choice is a bad game design choice?
distant folio
Only one thing is true though, if everybody tells you that you're wrong, it means everybody is wrong, the issue can't possibly with you, that would be weird
distant folio
Literally every other person who participated in the discussion
mint arch
mint arch
lol
rain bison
I agree with voidox! /eats
mint arch
i never used the word "wrong" with u and quiet
distant folio
lol
distant folio
I didnt say you used the word wrong with me
mint arch
what is ur point mate?
to this discussion?
is story an element of game design or not?
rain bison
Guys sun is shining and we are all melting.. its to hot for discussions 😥
mint arch
and if u make a poor story choice, is that a poor game design choice or not?
distant folio
Just scroll and read again, I made my point. Then I found out you edited all your previous sentences so you wouldn't be wrong again. And we came to discuss you saying you didn't use the word "wrong" for some reason.
mint arch
i didnt edit them all
i edited one after the fact
u can believe or not, i dont really care
doesnt change my point im trying to make
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ignoring the questions i ask, cool xD
@rain bison ty for agreeing with me 
distant folio
I can feel the salt flowing from the ocean
distant folio
Everybody has dropped this conversation and Imma join them too, but you keep writing 10 lines at a time lol
mint arch
👍 ty for joining the discussion for no reason
xD
lawl, cant answer the question, runs off
mint arch
im not 
strange falcon
mint arch
no worries, i miss out on a lot
though discussion ended when fire linked the god sun pic
cant beat that 
mint arch
sylvanas: "the alliance will come us, for me, for you"
for me?
fck u bitch, u started this shit
viral terrace
@mint arch What if she goes to Bolvar Fordragon and asks for an alliance?
mint arch
the lich king and queen
windrunner sisters do like humans
she breaks up with doggie nathanos
and hooks up with bolvar
in his sadness, nathanos becomes the forsaken leader we all want
i.e. not evil
viral terrace
Bolvar seems to be planning something
He threatened to release the Scourge on the world at the start of Legion if the Ebon Blade didn't ally with him.
viral terrace
Or, they could use him in a later patch for BfA
mint arch
or they go with the whole "lich king actually helping but ends justify means" route
since i think they're making it that arthas knew about the void
viral terrace
Yeah, especially how Bolvar got you to re-create the four horsemen.
mint arch
ya
viral terrace
He will probably have a big role in either BfA, or a WoTLK 2 expac
mint arch
hmm, i dont think his big role comes in BFA
viral terrace
^^^^^
zealous basalt
We could probably
viral terrace
Without a lich king, the scourge wouldn't be contained.
zealous basalt
Find a way to oof scourge for once and for all
viral terrace
You just shattered my dreams D;
zealous basalt
Hail to the king baby
hollow dock
That's....not true.
The Lich King Agreed to hold the Scourge in northrend in return for the Ebon Blade's alliance
not that he threatened them O.o
zealous basalt
...not that it changes something
viral terrace
Because if they disagreed then he would release the scourge
hollow dock
The scourge was already out
tho
Like. The scourge was never secluded, it was culled to Icecrown
the crusade made sure enough of the undead was wiped out and left Bolvar to his own.
viral terrace
Still, the Lich King is a threat.
hollow dock
Bolvar presented an alliance with the offer to completely contain the Scourge to Northrend. That's far froma threat
if anything, that's a bonus since that guarantee's the scourge won't become an issue
viral terrace
We don't know how long Bolvar has had to rebuild the scourge under wraps.
hollow dock
We do know how long though. Or at least, we have a rough estimate
Thanks to the Fire Mage questline, we know that Bolvar has been recently taking up new undead. This is to reflect his new alliance with the Ebon Blade.
He's not been raising much more than basic undead, no liches or deathknights of his own as of the start of Legion, and possibly during WoD.
viral terrace
the four horsemen
zealous basalt
What is the scourge itself
hollow dock
Until Legion
The scourge itself was heavily neutered.
That small little scourgewar that happened in WotLK neutered out most of its higher ups, the cult of the damned, etc.
The Four Horsemen is a new legion thing that he's only had with us as his pawns. Which yes he is doing some really shady shit, but like Sylvanas is learning from her predecessor, Bolvar is learning from Arthas and Ner'zhul's mistakes
restive sage
what color is bfa
agile token
Morally grey kappa
restive sage
timegated?
rich apex
So you don't blow through it in two days and then cry on the forums about nothing to do 😛
viral terrace
@zealous basalt The Siege of Lordaeron will most likely be one week before launch
night swift
Burning is in 3 parts I believe
zealous basalt
I had planned a rp event
clever ember
They already said that the battle for lordaeron will be out a week before BfA goes live, but it’ll only be available to those who have preordered BfA. If you don’t have BfA yet. You won’t be able to do it
steel venture
the burning was
clever ember
What doesn’t?
steel venture
always supposed to be before lordaeron
zealous basalt
The timegate
No u dolts
The timegate of the Burning
Sylvanas wouldnt risk to wait
steel venture
because all pre-patches have several events that lead up to the climax of the prepatch?
steel venture
except
seriously no prepatch happened all at once
night swift
And then have nothing to do for 3 weeks?
hollow dock
^
ruby star
Tbh I'd prefer the prepatch all at once
steel venture
like are you serious man
every pre-patch event since the WotLK one has had some form of buildup.
zealous basalt
Legion, we had only invasions
steel venture
except
the invasions?? weren't instant?????
zealous basalt
With the quests of magni
steel venture
they did have a little delay on it
hollow dock
until everything was invaded week before legions release
clever ember
The invasions started slowly, a few here a few there. Over the couple week more popped up and they were up longer.
steel venture
holy crap
ruby star
Look dude @steel venture its personal prefence if you prefer it time stamped or all at once however sadly its time stamped
zealous basalt
It just dont make sense to timegate the burning
hollow dock
that' snot what we are arguing Drorith
steel venture
except it does
because they have to march through ashenvale and darkshore first
to get the forces to teldrassil
hollow dock
Mak says it doesn't make sense to timegate content to Stretch it out to BFA's launch
steel venture
its not blizzard's fault if roleplayers jumped the gun and had a huge fucking event about the siege of lordaeon ahead of schedule
tulip sun
My guild has plans for the War of Thorns, but the timegate wont bother it
zealous basalt
sigh I guess I just got blind there
steel venture
It's really just a return to a more standard pre-patch format.
steel venture
The prelude to the War against Arthas, the Shattering, etc. Those had story-arc and weekly timegated events.
steel venture
or are we just forgetting the buildup to the zombie infestation or the elemental attacks
zealous basalt
Getting 1-3 things a week
But that's the thing, there were more things to do
I prefer if they do quest by quest daily
Okay people
Bets on final artifact level?
zealous basalt
We are at 100 atm
tranquil steeple
hasn't it gone up 2 or 3 every day the last few, though?
steel venture
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
steel venture
another point that i was going to mention lmao
hollow dock
you keep fighting around there
tranquil steeple
depends on the effect tbh, but usually effect trinkets
hollow dock
Usually stat trinks tbh.
Proc trinks I've never liked for the variance
I like the old PPM trinkets where you could time and line up CDs with their procs
rather than the RPPM
model
tranquil steeple
yea
mint arch
stat trinkets are boring
hollow dock
Procs that you can't control are just as boring
zealous basalt
I prefer an stat increase tbh
mint arch
well, if the procs are in ur class design, ya fck that
mint arch
trinkets are a place id be okay with rng, they're more additions to ur class
hollow dock
I think otherwise.
mint arch
blizzard can be fun with them or w.e
hollow dock
RNG is something I'm staunchly against for performing well on my charts
zealous basalt
Not when they give 5000 of an stat
mint arch
well, ideally effect trinkets should not have major stat stacks on em
u use the trinket for the effect
ya rng can be annoying and i am against it for basic class design
zealous basalt
No u
hollow dock
I'm against it for doing well at all in any facet.
hollow dock
RPPM is just a way to tune down power levels.
hollow dock
that's why it was introduced in Pandaria
mint arch
i mean, if a trinket is what determines u doing well in dps or w.e, then thats bad class design
arcano trinkets are so fcking bad
cause its just stats
hollow dock
No?
zealous basalt
The concordance and arcanecrystal
hollow dock
The arcano crystal is BiS for most of the specs.
in which, a trinket increasing your DPS
isn't bad design for the class
mint arch
ya, thats a problem with the class design
hollow dock
O.o
zealous basalt
Si
hollow dock
that's not a problem with design
zealous basalt
You know more than devs?
mint arch
in terms of it being BiS for almost all classes
zealous basalt
opens a trash can wanna go back where you belong (?
hollow dock
that's still not a problem with design. Classes benefit more from stats than effects. that's just how it's always been in WoW
it's ust blizz has never made a pure stat trinket until Legion
hollow dock
¯_(ツ)_/¯
agree to disagree.
I think its perfectly fine and far more prefferable to rolling the dice on getting my trinket procs to enchance my DPS to the top of the charts
hollow dock
Yea.
since ya know
almost all specs have the same BiS non-legendary rings
in 1 raid
Why is this not an issue but this 1 trinket is?
mint arch
cause this trinket from the moment of its release to end of expansion
was almost always BiS
zealous basalt
That means it was a good trink
hollow dock
Yea. So are trinkets from other legion raids
that was the point of the titanforging system
hollow dock
Nope
mint arch
when a new tier is out, new trinkets for the raid, u aim to use those
hollow dock
Bloodthirsty from Ursoc is still a BiS trink.
zealous basalt
Until I got my 930 trink
mint arch
but there is not a single trinket from release to end of expansion, that is BiS for almost ALL classes
hollow dock
It's not OK for arcanocrystal to be BiS
mint arch
cept arcano
mint arch
a single trinket
mint arch
for all classes?
hollow dock
these are all single trinkets that are still BiS if you get the forge up
mint arch
is arcano not useful sometimes for any spec as well?
hollow dock
For DHs, Surv hunters for Bloodthirsty and CoE still has multiple classes like DKs, warriors, etc that want it
Arcano is useful for specs that value secondary stats over primary
Which is some warlock specs, mastery hungry specs.
Which isn't that many in the first place.
zealous basalt
Classes that increases damage in their mastery?
hollow dock
Pretty much
While things like Arcano Crystal and the other stat or older effect trinekts are BiS if you forge it up to current ilvl, everyoen tells you to not bother frming for it
mint arch
cause drop rate is shit
night swift
Warriors have a BiS thats from Elisande in Nighthold. Been BiS all the way theough Antorus
Lots os good trinkets are from nighthold
zealous basalt
Now you are going to say "that's because the trinket design is shit"
mint arch
i said there are exceptions
zealous basalt
But AC isnt one, right?
mint arch
my issue with arcano is that almost every class can have it as BiS
point me to another trinket that is BiS for almost every class in the game, cause i dont know of another one
id like to know
*regardless of ilvl at times
zealous basalt
I will point you where you can throw those thoughts
Because literally, you have been the only one with those issues
mint arch
u can go to the trash can urself mate
night swift
Draught of Souls, Arcano Crystal, Convergence of Fates
mint arch
i see, so DoS and CoF are both BiS trinkets for almost every class in the game?
hollow dock
let's not forget the legendary pantheon trinket
mint arch
again, id like to know
hollow dock
DoS was for all melee classes before it's heavy handed nerf
zealous basalt
Yeah actually
hollow dock
I'll have you know
mint arch
the pantheon trinket is just arcano 2.0
same problem
literally everyone gunning for it
zealous basalt
Your problem maybe m8
night swift
Cause the pantheon trinkets are good
night swift
Their only gimmick has to be used in antorus though
mint arch
lol, nothing to do with the topic makore, ty for the useless input
ya, antorus only gimmick
zealous basalt
Useless topic tho
mint arch
thats fine, its just a raid tier
mint arch
oh boy, topics need ratings now
hollow dock
¯_(ツ)_/¯
night swift
Why are we raging over trinkets again?
zealous basalt
He says they are trash designed because "how is it possible that arcano is bis for all classes at this rate"
hollow dock
The original question was what we prefered
mint arch
i never used the word tash
hollow dock
Stat sticks or Effect/Proc trinks
lone charm
Guys, who can help me? I need npc named Lidan Gustaf (or something like that).
He sell lvl 2 receipt for tailor 300 ilvl craft
hollow dock
Most of us prefer stat sticks
mint arch
i said it was bad design
night swift
I prefer stat sticks
hollow dock
Void hates it and thinks its bad design.
night swift
I have a lot of trinkets with on use effects that I never use
mint arch
i never said i hate it
didnt use that word
i said it was bad design
stop putting words into my mouth for ur argument
hollow dock
Even though I think the RPPM system is far worse design since it requires entire random effects where you can get all the glorious procs or just sit there. never getting them
thus suffering on charts.
night swift
How
lone charm
No? No one know about this npc?
zealous basalt
No I
hollow dock
My reason for that void is that you call it bad design
when its just passive design.
It's different, so that means its bad by your logic.
o.o
zealous basalt
You are acting like Rys now
hollow dock
Why else do you think its bad, Void?
mint arch
why am i acting like rys? when u put words into my mouth, make conclusions, so on
like seriously?
hollow dock
I believe you put it as "Ignoring the question~"
mint arch
fck off makore, really
vris asked me a question
i will answer
if u dont want to see it, bugger off
hollow dock
You could just answer and ignore him
mint arch
sure
zealous basalt
Instead of making a drama tbh
zealous basalt
Just answer u fkin casul
zealous basalt
That's good I guess
hollow dock
I saw
can't wait to see how they make jaina evil tos omehow make the alliance not the good guys in this
mint arch
i think the world tree is where they make alliance bad
"bad"
or grey
or w.e it is they think they're doing
zealous basalt
I mean, Jaina has been kinda...extreme since Theramore
hollow dock
She's really only been extreme in 1 instance
and that was Dalaran's purge. and even then, that was justified and she didn't go all garrosh on the horde.
mint arch
^
zealous basalt
When she wanted to destroy orgrimmar?
mint arch
and they've shown jaina not doing evil/crazy shit after leaving dalaran
hollow dock
She never actually destroyed Orgrimmar.
zealous basalt
But she was going to
tranquil steeple
Keyword was "wanted"
hollow dock
So was Varian.
zealous basalt
And would have if dragon bf wouldnt have been there
hollow dock
If she had done so, we'd have a different conversation
but since she never did it, just like Varian, they're not at fault for wanting it
zealous basalt
But shouldnt that mean that they arent all gold?
hollow dock
We already know they aren't gold
hollow dock
but by comparison, the alliance isn't slaughtering Civilians
mint arch
sylvanas brings war, aszhara brings war
tranquil steeple
If I'm not mistaken, Varian just wanted the Horde dismantled, not necessarily Orgrimmar destroyed. (though dismantling the Horde could result in Orgrimmar getting destroyed)
mint arch
so by that theme, jaina brings war now?
zealous basalt
We had a
hollow dock
Jaina was always advocating for war with the horde. So it makes sense that she's a warbringer
zealous basalt
Warbringers with Maraad
mint arch
hm, i guess
hollow dock
That was Harbingers
mint arch
i mean, khadgar
was a Harbinger
guldan technically is a Harbinger as well.. of the legion
zealous basalt
What be differences?
hollow dock
Harbingers bring about news of invasions
mint arch
Harbinger: a person or thing that announces or signals the approach of another.
hollow dock
Khadgar was a harbinger of the legion invasion to the alliance.
mint arch
warbringer... not really a word
hollow dock
Illidan was a harbinger of the legion to azeroth.
zealous basalt
Tho
hollow dock
Ghoulish Daniel was a Legion Harbinger to Azeroth.
zealous basalt
Illidan didnt appear until 7.2.5
hollow dock
Well he appears during the Illidari orderhall campaign
zealous basalt
Chillin in the nether
hollow dock
saying "ey. the fuck you picked when you got out of jail. He's leader now. Fuck off."
hollow dock
"this wolf...still hasteeth" chomp
zealous basalt
That was scary to see
hollow dock
it isn't
night swift
Buddy
zealous basalt
The time will flow slowly
night swift
Its one day
restive sage
it wasnt a month ago
restive sage
.<
night swift
Youre gonna have to wait like half the day tomorrow for servers to even update
restive sage
naaaaah
zealous basalt
I will get in server at 5pm
night swift
Yes
night swift
7am to 3pm
zealous basalt
Pdt
restive sage
r u serious
zealous basalt
I'm gmt
night swift
Is server maitenance
restive sage
im est
night swift
So 9 to 5
night swift
Yeah and Mighty and Ray
zealous basalt
Think we will get an extra final boss?
steel venture
i am so curious about this upcoming azshara short holy shit
zealous basalt
With the boss pinch
night swift
Maybe
mint arch
another Q&A
night swift
I could see a throwback boss
mint arch
restive sage
when is the ptr shutting down
zealous basalt
Today
tropic ruin
guys, i'm a bit worried. with the item level squish, have blizzard finally fixed old raids via massive player buffs like in mop>wod or nothing yet?
zealous basalt
In the calendar
mint arch
ptr ends on 16th i believe
restive sage
im asking for when blizz said that
mint arch
lemme check
clever ember
There’s no reason for PTR to still be up when the patch goes live.
mint arch
or u can help look for it urself
restive sage
or copy paste it
hollow dock
http://www.wowhead.com/news=285644&webhook/new-warbringer-animated-shorts-coming-sylvanas-jaina-azshara do you all not know how to read blue text
@clever ember The PTR stays up indefinitely now. Whether or not a patch is in testing
hollow dock
that's how its always been in Legion
grizzled sleet
I pray all gods so that Jaina, Sylvanas, Azshara survive BFA
mint arch
wut
hollow dock
Azshara certainly isnt
mint arch
aszhara is raid boss
zinc sandal
Sylvanas? Survive BfA? XD
mint arch
XD
hollow dock
Sylvanas most likely will
since the horde isn't omniscient like us
and doesn't know that sylvanas is being a piece of shit
zinc sandal
Unrelated question:
grizzled sleet
Maybe Azshara can still be redeemed
zinc sandal
Legacy loot mode will make mog hunting easier, but will it also make mount hunting easier?
restive sage
so
hollow dock
no
restive sage
there is no proof that the ptr is going donw
mint arch
mount hunting?
restive sage
tooday
restive sage
.>
zinc sandal
Yes, but you're getting up to 25 people worth of loot
mint arch
ya mb, i think it was ptr testing ends 16 or something, ptr itself isnt going down
grizzled sleet
it's the event who ends on 16
mint arch
but drop rates are the same
hollow dock
Yes and that doesn't change the fact that the mount only drops at a 1% chance
grizzled sleet
not the whole PTR
restive sage
i just wnated 2 know where it said that >.>
hollow dock
Like for example
The drakes have 1% drop chance in Dragon Soul at 25 man
currently I get 25 peoples worth of loot while soloing it
Legacy loot rules reverts it from a scaled to 10 person loot back to normal 25 man
doesn't give you any more of a chance than now to get mounts
as 25 man worth of loot is the same 5-6 pieces of gear that drop
zinc sandal
Mhm
grizzled sleet
Maybe Azshara escape when defeated, hide somewhere, change, and return to save Azeroth from old gods later 
hollow dock
Azshara is this expacs Ghoulish Daniel. So 100% she is dying and not doing anything
grizzled sleet
When they said Guldan thy just mean last boss of the second raid
hollow dock
Uh huh
grizzled sleet
doesn't mean she's treated like Guldan
grizzled sleet
I don't see Azshara coming fomr nowhere since a long time only to die, would be a waste
restive sage
.>
hollow dock
and Kael'thas. and Illidan. and Yogg-saron. and Cho'gall. and Sinestra. and Deathwing. and Malygos. and...begins to drone on about all the raid bosses that appear after being missing only to die after having accomplished nothing
grizzled sleet
Illidan?
hollow dock
points to black temple
grizzled sleet
he wasn't dead
rich apex
He was supposed to be dead
hollow dock
He was back then
hollow dock
he was dead as fuck back then
rich apex
In 12.0 Illidan will release Sargeras
And Ilidan will be the 12.1 boss leading up to Sargeras in 12.3
grizzled sleet
no, 12.0 Sargeras will release himself, controle Illidan and the Pantheon and come to fight awaken Azeroth
hollow dock
a shtty redemption arc at that
rich apex
srsly
hollow dock
He wasn't even redeemed of anything in the end
He just kinda appears
does nothing
says his job is done
then goes to give sargeras the good succ
hollow dock
Perfect
formal coral
guys do we know if allied races will be unlocked after BFA launch?
grizzled sleet
Without Illidan Khadgar and Velen would be dead
grizzled sleet
We don(t know and we don't expect it
hollow dock
khadgar is more than able to make portals across dimensions
hell
the people khadgar teleports
dont even need to be near him
rich apex
You need to hit 120 and do the requirements to unlock Dark Irons and Mag'har
They're 'available' at launch depending on how fast you level 😛
night swift
Also exalted with the reps
grizzled sleet
by the way Velen also teleport us from the twisting nether on Kruul's fight
when you defeat him
formal coral
i am curious mainly of the void elf, draenei etc
night swift
Oh they’ll still be locked behind their reps
agile token
Twitter
hollow dock
alright great
sharp bluff
Nice
hollow dock
We can now say with 100% certainty that the auto-unlock thing is just a PTR thing
sharp bluff
Glad I got them in legion then
night swift
I only never got nightborne but that doesn’t bother me
viral terrace
@hollow dock Yeah it is a PTR/Beta thing. It helps out with testing them
unless it somehow slips into the live pre-patch xd
hollow dock
hordes garbage tho
meager warren
https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/status/1018921149936177152
anyone want to run through Nighthold Mythic with meh
Twitter
oh wait, i'll put that in groups
uncut vault
Are they gonna address the Urzul drop problem though
viral terrace
@hollow dock >hordes garbage
>has a belf as their pfp
hollow dock
High elf you uncultured swine
sharp bluff
idk, I think I would take a dark ranger over a void elf
hollow dock
It actually went Dark Trolls> Highborne/Night elves> Highborne Exiles> High elves> Blood Elves> Dead elves> Void Elves
sharp bluff
at least dark elves are well established in the lore 🤣
hollow dock
dark elves are night elves
sharp bluff
you forgot the Shelfs Vris
hollow dock
Shal'dorei aren't real elves.
outer maple
anyone know if doing the prepatch event on one faction gives you the mount for both or do you have to do both ?
sour crown
is BFA launching with Mythic+? Or will it come a few weeks later like in Legion
hollow dock
it's not a rep mount
its not Zerg. Mythic+ will come when Uldir comes out three weeks in
outer maple
well crap. my hordes not 110 lol
hollow dock
better get started Vore
sour crown
Dope, gives me time to farm regular mythics for my BiS traits
tulip sun
Your talking about prepatch ones?
grizzled sleet
Beginning the week of July 24 and continuing for three weeks leading to the launch of Battle for Azeroth on August 14, experience the escalation of all-out war in Teldrassil, and later Lordaeron. A new chapter of the relentless conflict at the heart of the Warcraft saga is unfolding, and it’s time for you to take your place on the front lines!
uncut vault
Lame
grizzled sleet
so no quests in the first week?
uncut vault
Apparently not, which sucks
grizzled sleet
nah it's good
with class changes and everything they want to give people time to adapt
and many addons will be broken too
uncut vault
Not for people who want to RP and get the mounts it isn’t
zealous basalt
...those boralus girls are hot tho
lone charm
Yea
restive sage
dosent even in say in the patch notes how dx12 is added
zealous basalt
Because they already did it
restive sage
no they didnt
lone charm
How said 1 famous Russian youtuber
"Daddy loves women with figure of cruise liner"
lone charm
What is dx12?
restive sage
direct x 12
zealous basalt
Is that ptr?
restive sage
no
zealous basalt
IN LIVE
restive sage
wanna see ptr?
zealous basalt
Yes
restive sage
k
zealous basalt
Becauwe I remember having mine showing direct x12
ruby star
hmm so war of thorns starts 24th
restive sage
so wut were you saying
restive sage
u should have been more specific when you said they already added it
could have said
they already announced it
lone charm
Guys, who can help me? I need npc named Lidan Gustav (or something like that).
He sell lvl 2 receipt for tailor 300 ilvl craft
zealous basalt
@uncut vault is your friend here
uncut vault
Hmm?
terse patrol
mfw all these people got their beta but the game is about to launch
zealous basalt
The girl above needs help
uncut vault
I haven’t tested professions, unfortunately
grizzled sleet
is fishing also made into 100/100 per expansion ?
terse patrol
Looking forwards to the people bitching about 8.0 after doing it in the beta because they already did all the content
“omg 8.0 so boring”
rich apex
grizzled sleet
new build?
restive sage
i think
lone charm
Pls let it be bugfix
restive sage
why dont you want it to be a new build
-.-
w8
bugfix = new buil
am idiot
c:
viral terrace
it is a new build
zealous basalt
Final build?
restive sage
the final build >:)
zealous basalt
ITS THE FINAL COUNTDOWN
restive sage
doodoodoodoooooo
lone charm
Please God, i just want to do warfront and wq
viral terrace
what if the final build contains game breaking bugs?
lone charm
Please, let it be fixed
restive sage
uhuh
zealous basalt
With bugged bugs
zealous basalt
Hmm noo
restive sage
well if the bug is bugged that mean it isnt working right
viral terrace
I swear to Elune, if the quest that has been bugged for 2 weeks is still a thing
ruby star
it was like 79mb
ruby star
@viral terrace it;s fine if it still is
restive sage
and kill everyone????
zealous basalt
And be like nazgrim
viral terrace
yes
ruby star
it's probbaly fixed in an internal build
restive sage
.-.
viral terrace
HOW DO THEY EXPECT US TO TEST THE REST OF THE STORY THOUGH?
zealous basalt
"HIGH ELF BIAS"
restive sage
why are you testing the story????
viral terrace
for bugs
zealous basalt
That's what the beta is for
zealous basalt
That's a sacrifice
viral terrace
no, because I would've forgotten
zealous basalt
That all beta testers choose
ruby star
@zealous basalt oi oi, it's a bug the fact high elves are not allied race 
perhaps Sargares should join the alliance
zealous basalt
I mean
rich apex
something something ~morally grey~
zealous basalt
Who cares about Horde
restive sage
hmm i wonder what iz fihxed
ruby star
the blood elf bug has been fixed, the blood elves no longer exist
viral terrace
they replaced the blood elves with high elves though
so that's a +
they also added the new Allied Race: Wisps
ruby star
and they are on the correct faction now ;D
uncut vault
There likely won’t be a build until at least the week of the 24th
ruby star
sounds like a plan Makore
viral terrace
can't you get them back in the old models?
tranquil steeple
that's just a jab at how little of a threat night elves has become after cata, in comparison to pre-cata
viral terrace
Well
One of the nightborne /silly is insulting the night elves even though thousands of years ago they used to be the same.
dense plover
Old models are gone
agile token
my beta just updated
dense plover
They caused too many issues due to skeleton and animation changes
Yeah, small build
No real changes
Prepatch prep
viral terrace
@dense plover I thought that you could turn them on in the settings?
Or did they remove it in 8.0
due to removing 32 bit
dense plover
Removed
Not due to 32bit
But because they caused issues, didn’t look right, often had missing options due to filename changes, and were unnecessary code they had to keep maintaining that caused other issues
zealous basalt
It was a bad idea to maintain them at first place
viral terrace
but they were there due to some players computers not being able to handle the new models
uncut vault
Theyve been using new anims anyways, and both elves no longer have a low res one, plus allied races don’t have any
So computer will be struggling no matter what at this point
uncut vault
point still stands
dense plover
It didn’t help struggling computers very much tbh
The textures are stored on your computer even when old models are selected
It would only have an effect if you were running out of vram
restive sage
what didnt help struggling computers
cunning sun
Can we have a moment of silence for Arcane Torrent?
restive sage
nu
cunning sun
oh wait no, we can't, the silence is gone
tranquil steeple
youmotherfucker
ruby star
fucking blood elves, don't deserve a good racial anyway
tranquil steeple
yep, pala pop wings without any other magical buff? use Arcane Torrent
rain bison
Does anyone know if the bfa ui will be included in the pre patch as well?
uncut vault
It will
restive sage
um
modest berry
Prepatch, the breaker of add-ons.